1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Meer acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,854 --> 00:00:24,814 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily 5 00:00:24,894 --> 00:00:28,254 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. New evidence has emerged in the 6 00:00:28,294 --> 00:00:32,574 Speaker 2: Aaron Pattison mushroom trial, with multiple devices and groom messages 7 00:00:32,694 --> 00:00:36,414 Speaker 2: and photos all on display in court. Plus swift Is 8 00:00:36,494 --> 00:00:39,574 Speaker 2: are convinced the singer's about to drop reputation Taylor's version 9 00:00:39,694 --> 00:00:43,294 Speaker 2: at tomorrow's American Music Awards, and the evidence well. 10 00:00:43,174 --> 00:00:44,174 Speaker 3: It's pretty compelling. 11 00:00:44,454 --> 00:00:46,814 Speaker 2: Before we get there, here's Claire Murphy with the latest 12 00:00:46,894 --> 00:00:50,134 Speaker 2: from the Quickie newsroom for Monday May twenty six. 13 00:00:50,334 --> 00:00:53,894 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Flood damaged communities are today facing a lengthy 14 00:00:53,974 --> 00:00:57,254 Speaker 1: cleanup as more bad weather threatens to further challenge coastal 15 00:00:57,334 --> 00:01:01,054 Speaker 1: areas of New South Wales. An estimated ten thousand properties 16 00:01:01,054 --> 00:01:03,654 Speaker 1: have been affected by flooding across the Hunter and Mid 17 00:01:03,694 --> 00:01:07,134 Speaker 1: North Coast regions, with months worth of rainfalling in just 18 00:01:07,174 --> 00:01:10,654 Speaker 1: a few days. Thirty two thousand residents in fourteen towns 19 00:01:10,694 --> 00:01:14,094 Speaker 1: remain cut off, with rescue crews now having conducted nearly 20 00:01:14,174 --> 00:01:17,054 Speaker 1: eight hundred rescues in a weather event that took the 21 00:01:17,094 --> 00:01:20,174 Speaker 1: lives of five Australians. Now, a cold front which is 22 00:01:20,214 --> 00:01:23,014 Speaker 1: expected to bring winds of sixty to eighty kilometers an 23 00:01:23,054 --> 00:01:26,174 Speaker 1: hour is predicted for today and tomorrow. Those in affected 24 00:01:26,214 --> 00:01:29,414 Speaker 1: areas reminded to be careful around large trees that could 25 00:01:29,454 --> 00:01:33,534 Speaker 1: come down after being damaged by floods. The coalition breakup 26 00:01:33,614 --> 00:01:36,654 Speaker 1: still hasn't been mended, but Nationals Party leader David little 27 00:01:36,654 --> 00:01:39,254 Speaker 1: Prowd is expecting a reunion in a matter of days. 28 00:01:39,654 --> 00:01:42,374 Speaker 1: The Nationals party room will meet either today or tomorrow 29 00:01:42,414 --> 00:01:45,654 Speaker 1: after both the Liberals and Nationals pressed pause on their uncoupling, 30 00:01:45,934 --> 00:01:49,334 Speaker 1: allowing talks about a potential deal to continue, the Liberals 31 00:01:49,374 --> 00:01:52,134 Speaker 1: holding off on naming their shadow cabinet just in case 32 00:01:52,494 --> 00:01:54,934 Speaker 1: the Nationals had pulled the plug over the Liberals saying 33 00:01:54,974 --> 00:01:58,734 Speaker 1: no to four policy demands over a recommitment to nuclear energy, 34 00:01:58,814 --> 00:02:02,694 Speaker 1: original Development Fund, power to break up supermarket monopolies, and 35 00:02:02,814 --> 00:02:07,094 Speaker 1: better telecommunications coverage for regional Australians. The Liberals have now 36 00:02:07,134 --> 00:02:10,894 Speaker 1: since given in principal support to those. There's also now 37 00:02:10,974 --> 00:02:14,134 Speaker 1: talk about another possible leadership challenge for Little Prowd, who 38 00:02:14,174 --> 00:02:16,614 Speaker 1: managed to hold off a recent run from Matt Canavan 39 00:02:16,774 --> 00:02:20,694 Speaker 1: over climate policy. A new poll shows eighty two percent 40 00:02:20,734 --> 00:02:23,534 Speaker 1: of Australians feel that Israel's deliberate blocking of AID into 41 00:02:23,534 --> 00:02:26,854 Speaker 1: Gaza is unjustified and a calling on the Australian government 42 00:02:26,934 --> 00:02:29,494 Speaker 1: to do more to ensure Palestinians caught up in the 43 00:02:29,494 --> 00:02:32,614 Speaker 1: war between Israel and Hamas have access to food, water 44 00:02:32,774 --> 00:02:36,654 Speaker 1: and medicine, despite supplies being in desperate need across Gaza. 45 00:02:36,694 --> 00:02:39,894 Speaker 1: As Israel again steps up its military campaign in the enclave. 46 00:02:40,254 --> 00:02:42,494 Speaker 1: Only a few AID trucks have been allowed into the 47 00:02:42,534 --> 00:02:45,934 Speaker 1: region over the past week, following an eleven week siege 48 00:02:45,934 --> 00:02:48,934 Speaker 1: which saw Gaza's more than two million citizens again under 49 00:02:48,934 --> 00:02:52,294 Speaker 1: the threat of famine. Action AID Executive Director Michelle Higglan 50 00:02:52,414 --> 00:02:54,974 Speaker 1: says the crisis is even worse for women due to 51 00:02:54,974 --> 00:02:58,014 Speaker 1: the lack of maternal health care, gender based violence, and 52 00:02:58,054 --> 00:03:02,614 Speaker 1: the additional responsibility of caring for traumatized children. Despite increasing 53 00:03:02,654 --> 00:03:06,134 Speaker 1: pressure from world governments, including Australia, pushing for the full 54 00:03:06,174 --> 00:03:09,014 Speaker 1: resumption of AID into Gaza and allowing AID agencies to 55 00:03:09,014 --> 00:03:12,894 Speaker 1: work into dependently and impartially to save lives, reduce suffering 56 00:03:12,934 --> 00:03:16,574 Speaker 1: and maintain dignity, there are reportedly thousands of truncks waiting 57 00:03:16,574 --> 00:03:20,774 Speaker 1: to enter Gaza stuck outside its borders. Russia has launched 58 00:03:20,774 --> 00:03:24,174 Speaker 1: its largest aerial attack on Ukraine so far, launching three 59 00:03:24,214 --> 00:03:27,534 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven drones and missiles at Ukrainian cities, 60 00:03:27,534 --> 00:03:30,654 Speaker 1: including the capital. The attacks have left at least twelve 61 00:03:30,694 --> 00:03:34,814 Speaker 1: people dead, including three children, with dozens more injured. Ukrainian 62 00:03:34,854 --> 00:03:38,214 Speaker 1: President Vlodomiseelenski called on the US to stop softening their 63 00:03:38,294 --> 00:03:41,054 Speaker 1: line on Russia, saying the silence of America and the 64 00:03:41,094 --> 00:03:44,254 Speaker 1: silence of others in the world only encourages putin. The 65 00:03:44,254 --> 00:03:46,814 Speaker 1: assault came as Ukraine and Russia are preparing for a 66 00:03:46,854 --> 00:03:49,694 Speaker 1: third day of prisoner swaps, where both signs will release 67 00:03:49,734 --> 00:03:53,214 Speaker 1: a total of one thousand people each. GPS across New 68 00:03:53,254 --> 00:03:56,534 Speaker 1: South Wales have welcomed a change to ADHD medication rules, 69 00:03:56,814 --> 00:04:00,574 Speaker 1: able to provide ongoing prescriptions for already diagnosed patients who 70 00:04:00,574 --> 00:04:03,374 Speaker 1: are on stable doses, those people no longer having to 71 00:04:03,374 --> 00:04:06,574 Speaker 1: wait for specialist appointments. A small number of gps will 72 00:04:06,574 --> 00:04:10,494 Speaker 1: also be able to diagnose and initiate medication, a process 73 00:04:10,494 --> 00:04:13,254 Speaker 1: that sometimes requires people to linger on month's long wait 74 00:04:13,334 --> 00:04:16,614 Speaker 1: lists to see specialists. And having to pay substantial amounts 75 00:04:16,614 --> 00:04:19,614 Speaker 1: of money to get to a diagnosis, followed by costly 76 00:04:19,654 --> 00:04:22,774 Speaker 1: ongoing treatments. It would also mean an easier process for 77 00:04:22,854 --> 00:04:25,894 Speaker 1: regional Australians who often have to travel hundreds of kilometers 78 00:04:25,894 --> 00:04:29,574 Speaker 1: to see specialists. Doctors will be required to undergo training. 79 00:04:29,814 --> 00:04:32,534 Speaker 1: The Royal Australian College of GP's New South Wales chair 80 00:04:32,574 --> 00:04:35,814 Speaker 1: Rebecca Hoffman saying this has already been happening safely in 81 00:04:35,854 --> 00:04:39,374 Speaker 1: other countries including Canada and the UK, and already happens 82 00:04:39,374 --> 00:04:43,734 Speaker 1: here in Australia, with Queensland GPS safely prescribing ADHD medications 83 00:04:43,774 --> 00:04:44,974 Speaker 1: since twenty seventeen. 84 00:04:45,294 --> 00:04:46,454 Speaker 3: Thanks Claire. Next. 85 00:04:46,574 --> 00:04:53,974 Speaker 2: The latest from the Erin Patterson trial. As the Erin 86 00:04:54,054 --> 00:04:58,014 Speaker 2: Pattison mushroom trial enters its fifth week, digital forensic experts 87 00:04:58,014 --> 00:05:01,654 Speaker 2: have revealed new evidence found on devices seized from her home. 88 00:05:02,294 --> 00:05:05,894 Speaker 2: Messages sent to friends on Facebook messengers show Pattison's anger 89 00:05:05,934 --> 00:05:09,454 Speaker 2: towards her estranged husband's family seven months before that failu 90 00:05:09,734 --> 00:05:12,174 Speaker 2: lunch that claimed the lives of her former pearance in 91 00:05:12,254 --> 00:05:16,414 Speaker 2: law and former mother in law's sister. Now, as a reminder, 92 00:05:16,494 --> 00:05:19,734 Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson is accused of a triple murder serving up 93 00:05:19,774 --> 00:05:23,094 Speaker 2: a poisoned beef Wellington at a lunch with both Don 94 00:05:23,134 --> 00:05:27,134 Speaker 2: and Gail Patterson and Gail's sister. It's alleged that she 95 00:05:27,294 --> 00:05:30,454 Speaker 2: foraged for and then used death Cap mushrooms as part 96 00:05:30,534 --> 00:05:33,134 Speaker 2: of the meal. Lunch was also meant to include an 97 00:05:33,174 --> 00:05:36,654 Speaker 2: invitation to her estranged ex husband Simon, but he declined. 98 00:05:37,334 --> 00:05:40,974 Speaker 2: Investigators also found that Pattison's phone had been factory reset 99 00:05:41,054 --> 00:05:44,734 Speaker 2: four times in twenty twenty three, including a remote wipe 100 00:05:44,774 --> 00:05:47,854 Speaker 2: the day after she handed it to police. The jury 101 00:05:47,894 --> 00:05:51,254 Speaker 2: also heard that when investigators checked devices taken from erin 102 00:05:51,294 --> 00:05:54,774 Speaker 2: Patterson's home, they found she'd visited a science website about 103 00:05:54,774 --> 00:05:58,414 Speaker 2: a year before the allegedly poisoned beef wellington was dished up. 104 00:05:58,654 --> 00:06:02,014 Speaker 2: The site showed the location of death cap mushrooms logged 105 00:06:02,014 --> 00:06:05,694 Speaker 2: by fellow citizen scientists. And then there's photos of mushrooms 106 00:06:05,734 --> 00:06:09,094 Speaker 2: in a food dehydrator from May twenty twenty three. Those 107 00:06:09,134 --> 00:06:12,214 Speaker 2: pictures were discovered on a sea's tablet from the accused. 108 00:06:13,214 --> 00:06:16,294 Speaker 2: To help us understand the latest developments in this complex case, 109 00:06:16,334 --> 00:06:20,134 Speaker 2: were joined by Muma MEA's newswriter Eilish Delaney. Elish, there's 110 00:06:20,214 --> 00:06:22,654 Speaker 2: been a lot of new evidence presented in the last week. 111 00:06:22,854 --> 00:06:24,894 Speaker 2: What stands out to you as some of the most significant. 112 00:06:25,174 --> 00:06:27,854 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a really big week for the trial. 113 00:06:27,974 --> 00:06:31,534 Speaker 4: I'd say the most significant development has been the digital 114 00:06:31,574 --> 00:06:36,094 Speaker 4: evidence we've seen. Last week, police seized Aaron Patterson's devices 115 00:06:36,094 --> 00:06:38,174 Speaker 4: and have gone through all of them, and through that, 116 00:06:38,294 --> 00:06:40,614 Speaker 4: the court's heard a number of messages that paint a 117 00:06:40,614 --> 00:06:43,254 Speaker 4: pretty tense picture of her relationship with her former in 118 00:06:43,334 --> 00:06:44,534 Speaker 4: laws and her ex husband. 119 00:06:44,894 --> 00:06:46,894 Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit more about those messages. 120 00:06:46,974 --> 00:06:49,374 Speaker 2: We'll start with the things that showed up as part 121 00:06:49,414 --> 00:06:53,094 Speaker 2: of Facebook messenger. What was actually revealed there, because, like 122 00:06:53,134 --> 00:06:55,974 Speaker 2: you said, pretty tense picture has been painted about where 123 00:06:56,014 --> 00:06:59,574 Speaker 2: their relationship was at before this alleged murder happened. 124 00:07:00,454 --> 00:07:00,694 Speaker 5: Yeah. 125 00:07:00,694 --> 00:07:04,854 Speaker 4: In the messages, the prosecution says that it's Erin's Facebook 126 00:07:04,974 --> 00:07:08,534 Speaker 4: under a different name, Erin Eron Erin, and she's basically 127 00:07:08,654 --> 00:07:12,854 Speaker 4: venting a her ex husband's family. She refers to them 128 00:07:12,894 --> 00:07:16,454 Speaker 4: as a lost cause and complains bitterly about Simon Patterson, 129 00:07:16,574 --> 00:07:19,494 Speaker 4: calling him a deadbeat, and she says that she was 130 00:07:19,654 --> 00:07:21,654 Speaker 4: sick of them while they're kind of going through this 131 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:23,174 Speaker 4: custody disagreement. 132 00:07:23,894 --> 00:07:27,014 Speaker 2: What about the digital forensics that have been revealed, there's 133 00:07:27,054 --> 00:07:30,534 Speaker 2: been some interesting timing around when devices were handed back 134 00:07:30,694 --> 00:07:33,494 Speaker 2: vig when they were maybe wiped allegedly. 135 00:07:33,454 --> 00:07:35,974 Speaker 4: So what wasn't on the devices in this case is 136 00:07:36,094 --> 00:07:39,054 Speaker 4: just as important as the messages that they say they've found. 137 00:07:39,134 --> 00:07:42,454 Speaker 4: So prosecutors have told the court last week that Patterson's 138 00:07:42,454 --> 00:07:45,974 Speaker 4: phone was factory reset in the days after the fatal lunch, 139 00:07:46,014 --> 00:07:48,814 Speaker 4: which alone is quite suspicious, But then there was a 140 00:07:48,854 --> 00:07:51,774 Speaker 4: second reset that happened while the phone was already in 141 00:07:51,854 --> 00:07:55,814 Speaker 4: police custody, and police are saying that due to these resets, 142 00:07:55,854 --> 00:07:58,174 Speaker 4: a lot of potential evidence has actually been lost, so 143 00:07:58,174 --> 00:08:01,894 Speaker 4: they couldn't recover key data, including full message histories and 144 00:08:02,014 --> 00:08:04,934 Speaker 4: some location tracking, And for them, it kind of raises 145 00:08:04,974 --> 00:08:08,494 Speaker 4: the question of was Aaron Patterson trying to erase something 146 00:08:08,574 --> 00:08:09,494 Speaker 4: or did she have something to hap? 147 00:08:10,134 --> 00:08:12,014 Speaker 3: What about the search history? 148 00:08:12,174 --> 00:08:15,734 Speaker 2: We know that an incognito tab doesn't necessarily mean that 149 00:08:15,934 --> 00:08:19,734 Speaker 2: whatever you've been googling is completely hidden. What have they 150 00:08:19,814 --> 00:08:22,494 Speaker 2: found and discovered from some of her previous searchers. 151 00:08:22,934 --> 00:08:26,134 Speaker 4: Yeah, so incognito isn't as secret as we think. But 152 00:08:26,294 --> 00:08:30,734 Speaker 4: the court has heard that Patterson's devices contained searchers related 153 00:08:30,774 --> 00:08:35,174 Speaker 4: to deathcat mushrooms, specifically her devices we use to access 154 00:08:35,294 --> 00:08:39,094 Speaker 4: a citizen science website where people submit photos and locations 155 00:08:39,094 --> 00:08:42,454 Speaker 4: of flora and fauna that they've spotted, and deathcap mushrooms 156 00:08:42,454 --> 00:08:45,894 Speaker 4: were actually uploaded to that website, and one of the 157 00:08:46,094 --> 00:08:49,454 Speaker 4: website visits to eye Naturalist It's called was made about 158 00:08:49,454 --> 00:08:52,494 Speaker 4: fourteen months before the fatal lunch occurred. So police are 159 00:08:52,534 --> 00:08:55,934 Speaker 4: kind of suggesting that these searchers indicate Aaron Patterson has 160 00:08:55,974 --> 00:08:58,934 Speaker 4: gone out of her way to research these mushrooms prior 161 00:08:59,014 --> 00:09:02,334 Speaker 4: to the fatal lunch. And we also know that police 162 00:09:02,334 --> 00:09:05,694 Speaker 4: found images of mushrooms and cancer related material on her 163 00:09:05,734 --> 00:09:09,414 Speaker 4: devices as well, and that's important because prosecutors have led 164 00:09:09,654 --> 00:09:11,974 Speaker 4: she lied to her in laws about having cancer to 165 00:09:12,014 --> 00:09:13,734 Speaker 4: try and lure them to the lunch. 166 00:09:14,334 --> 00:09:17,294 Speaker 3: We're in the final stretch of this trial. Now where 167 00:09:17,294 --> 00:09:18,094 Speaker 3: do we go from here? 168 00:09:18,614 --> 00:09:21,294 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're about halfway through. You're right, there's still 169 00:09:21,574 --> 00:09:24,694 Speaker 4: two weeks left of the trial and Erin hasn't taken 170 00:09:24,694 --> 00:09:27,094 Speaker 4: this stand yet and we don't know if she will. 171 00:09:27,254 --> 00:09:29,614 Speaker 4: If she does, it will be a big turning point 172 00:09:29,814 --> 00:09:32,054 Speaker 4: for the case. But if not, the defense will have 173 00:09:32,134 --> 00:09:35,614 Speaker 4: to heavily rely on Russ examination and the idea that 174 00:09:35,934 --> 00:09:38,854 Speaker 4: there is no definitive proof she intended to kill anyone. 175 00:09:38,934 --> 00:09:41,334 Speaker 4: So it's a pretty complex case, and despite all the 176 00:09:41,374 --> 00:09:43,574 Speaker 4: headlines and things that we've seen out there, it's still 177 00:09:43,654 --> 00:09:45,414 Speaker 4: very much in the balance of what way this will go. 178 00:09:50,494 --> 00:09:53,214 Speaker 2: Swift is convinced that Taylor Swift is about to announce 179 00:09:53,294 --> 00:09:57,774 Speaker 2: Reputation Taylor's Version at tomorrow's American Music Awards. Now, the 180 00:09:57,814 --> 00:10:00,654 Speaker 2: superstar is up for six awards, including Artists of the 181 00:10:00,734 --> 00:10:03,334 Speaker 2: Year and Album of the Year, but it's the Easter 182 00:10:03,414 --> 00:10:07,214 Speaker 2: eggs that have fans buzzing. They include a section on 183 00:10:07,254 --> 00:10:11,254 Speaker 2: her website that spells out AMAS and exactly twelve items 184 00:10:11,254 --> 00:10:15,174 Speaker 2: on sale at twenty six percent off. Now that's significant 185 00:10:15,214 --> 00:10:18,854 Speaker 2: because the awards are on May twenty six. For those 186 00:10:18,854 --> 00:10:21,774 Speaker 2: who haven't been following the Taylor's Version journey, the singer 187 00:10:21,774 --> 00:10:25,454 Speaker 2: has been systematically re recording her first six albums to 188 00:10:25,494 --> 00:10:29,094 Speaker 2: regain control of her master recordings. To help us decode 189 00:10:29,134 --> 00:10:31,854 Speaker 2: all the clues, we are joined by Mumma MEA's entertainment editor, 190 00:10:31,854 --> 00:10:35,414 Speaker 2: Tina Burke. Tina, let's crack this code. Why are people 191 00:10:35,454 --> 00:10:38,054 Speaker 2: so convinced that Reputation TV is coming? 192 00:10:38,054 --> 00:10:38,494 Speaker 3: Tomorrow. 193 00:10:38,814 --> 00:10:42,134 Speaker 5: So Miss Taylor Allison Swift. One thing about her she 194 00:10:42,214 --> 00:10:45,174 Speaker 5: loves to do an Easter egg. So traditionally an Easter 195 00:10:45,214 --> 00:10:47,694 Speaker 5: egg was like a more obvious thing. So, for example, 196 00:10:47,734 --> 00:10:50,214 Speaker 5: like before the Grammys last year, her website went dark, 197 00:10:50,494 --> 00:10:52,534 Speaker 5: she changed her profile picture of black and white. She 198 00:10:52,614 --> 00:10:54,654 Speaker 5: showed up in a black and white outfit. A couple 199 00:10:54,694 --> 00:10:57,134 Speaker 5: hours later she announces Tortured Poets Department, which has a 200 00:10:57,174 --> 00:10:59,734 Speaker 5: black and white aesthetic. Or once upon a time in 201 00:10:59,734 --> 00:11:02,654 Speaker 5: a music video she put the word lover in huge writing, 202 00:11:02,734 --> 00:11:05,254 Speaker 5: and that was announcing that her next album was called Lover. 203 00:11:05,614 --> 00:11:08,774 Speaker 5: They were pretty obvious things, but now a lot of 204 00:11:08,814 --> 00:11:12,094 Speaker 5: like newer, very investigative Swifties who have a lot of 205 00:11:12,134 --> 00:11:15,774 Speaker 5: passion and microscope, love to try to find different things 206 00:11:15,774 --> 00:11:18,014 Speaker 5: that they can claim at Easter eggs. The reason that 207 00:11:18,054 --> 00:11:20,934 Speaker 5: people think that she might be dropping reputation TV at 208 00:11:20,974 --> 00:11:24,254 Speaker 5: the AMAS is that there's been a few silly little pints. 209 00:11:24,494 --> 00:11:26,694 Speaker 5: So one of the things that happened was that on 210 00:11:26,734 --> 00:11:29,174 Speaker 5: her online storefront or you can buy merch and things 211 00:11:29,254 --> 00:11:33,294 Speaker 5: like that, the site was reorganized so that it read apparel, music, 212 00:11:33,454 --> 00:11:36,654 Speaker 5: accessories and sale. And if you put the first letter 213 00:11:36,694 --> 00:11:39,774 Speaker 5: of each of those words together, what does it spell? AMAS? 214 00:11:40,174 --> 00:11:43,334 Speaker 5: So this kick started the fans going, right, she's coming, 215 00:11:43,414 --> 00:11:46,094 Speaker 5: She's gonna do it. They also spotted that currently she 216 00:11:46,174 --> 00:11:49,334 Speaker 5: had twelve items up for sale at twenty six percent off. 217 00:11:49,494 --> 00:11:51,934 Speaker 5: The AMA's are on the twenty sixth, and this album 218 00:11:51,934 --> 00:11:55,774 Speaker 5: would be her twelfth album if it wasn't Reputation TV. 219 00:11:56,014 --> 00:11:57,894 Speaker 5: I must say, so there's a kind of thing of like, 220 00:11:57,974 --> 00:12:00,014 Speaker 5: is it going to be Reputation TV or is it 221 00:12:00,014 --> 00:12:02,614 Speaker 5: going to be an entirely new album. The other indication 222 00:12:02,734 --> 00:12:05,454 Speaker 5: that people took is like maybe she'll announce Reputation TV 223 00:12:06,094 --> 00:12:07,774 Speaker 5: is that the song look What You Made Me Do 224 00:12:07,974 --> 00:12:10,334 Speaker 5: was just used in an episode of The Handmaid's Tail 225 00:12:10,454 --> 00:12:13,294 Speaker 5: this week. It's the re recorded version of the song. 226 00:12:13,894 --> 00:12:16,814 Speaker 5: The re recorded version was used in another TV show 227 00:12:16,894 --> 00:12:19,974 Speaker 5: last year, which was called Wilderness. But people think the 228 00:12:20,014 --> 00:12:22,934 Speaker 5: timing of the usage, the fact that it's the full song, 229 00:12:23,414 --> 00:12:25,774 Speaker 5: maybe this is another hint that she'll be dropping the song. 230 00:12:26,374 --> 00:12:28,734 Speaker 5: And then a final Easter egg or clue is that 231 00:12:28,814 --> 00:12:32,294 Speaker 5: Tiffany Hattish has been confirmed to be presenting at the AMAS. 232 00:12:32,494 --> 00:12:34,414 Speaker 5: If you don't know, which you may not because you 233 00:12:34,414 --> 00:12:37,574 Speaker 5: may not be crazy like me at the Reputation's stadium tour. 234 00:12:37,974 --> 00:12:40,494 Speaker 5: Tiffany Hattish did the voiceover for the part of the 235 00:12:40,534 --> 00:12:42,694 Speaker 5: song look What You Made Me Do, where she goes 236 00:12:43,054 --> 00:12:45,054 Speaker 5: the old Taylor can't come to the phone right now? 237 00:12:45,294 --> 00:12:47,934 Speaker 5: Why because she's dead. So the fact that she'll be 238 00:12:47,974 --> 00:12:50,374 Speaker 5: at the AMAS, the fact that Taylor Swift is nominated 239 00:12:50,414 --> 00:12:53,294 Speaker 5: in six categories, that there's all these little clues people 240 00:12:53,414 --> 00:12:55,174 Speaker 5: just think Reputation TV is coming. 241 00:12:55,574 --> 00:12:57,694 Speaker 3: It'd be like the perfect timing, right, like the most 242 00:12:57,734 --> 00:12:58,774 Speaker 3: well executed plan. 243 00:12:59,374 --> 00:13:02,494 Speaker 5: It would be such beautiful timing as well. The thing is, 244 00:13:02,694 --> 00:13:05,334 Speaker 5: Taylor's been off Instagram for like one hundred and sixty 245 00:13:05,334 --> 00:13:07,654 Speaker 5: plus days. The last time that she sort of took 246 00:13:07,654 --> 00:13:10,414 Speaker 5: a really big hiatus and cleared out her Instagram was 247 00:13:10,494 --> 00:13:13,094 Speaker 5: a head of reputation the first time around, So people 248 00:13:13,294 --> 00:13:15,854 Speaker 5: think that, like her disappearing and coming back, that that 249 00:13:15,894 --> 00:13:19,014 Speaker 5: would be something she would do to launch REPTV. Scooter 250 00:13:19,094 --> 00:13:21,334 Speaker 5: Braun is also making headlines again to do with the 251 00:13:21,334 --> 00:13:23,934 Speaker 5: fact that he owns her Masters. There were reports that 252 00:13:24,054 --> 00:13:26,454 Speaker 5: maybe he's looking to sell them back to her. It's 253 00:13:26,494 --> 00:13:28,654 Speaker 5: a perfect storm really for her to come back and 254 00:13:28,734 --> 00:13:29,454 Speaker 5: drop REPTV. 255 00:13:29,894 --> 00:13:32,854 Speaker 2: So she's already dropped the Taylor's version of a bunch 256 00:13:32,854 --> 00:13:35,934 Speaker 2: of her other albums, is this like typical fashion of 257 00:13:35,974 --> 00:13:39,734 Speaker 2: how she would do it? In comparison to those announcements. 258 00:13:39,414 --> 00:13:41,934 Speaker 5: It is in the sense of like a little hint 259 00:13:41,974 --> 00:13:45,054 Speaker 5: here and there, a little something, But it's quite different 260 00:13:45,094 --> 00:13:48,294 Speaker 5: because the timing of the others really linked into like 261 00:13:48,934 --> 00:13:50,974 Speaker 5: the announcement that she would do it. We had feeless 262 00:13:50,974 --> 00:13:53,774 Speaker 5: TV first, then Read TV, and those felt like quite 263 00:13:53,934 --> 00:13:57,574 Speaker 5: big grand productions of like I'm relaunching these albums, but 264 00:13:57,614 --> 00:13:59,974 Speaker 5: then speak Now in nineteen eighty nine came during the 265 00:14:00,014 --> 00:14:02,414 Speaker 5: Era's tour, and that reshaped how we thought about them 266 00:14:02,454 --> 00:14:05,494 Speaker 5: as well, because there were quite obvious Easter eggs in that, 267 00:14:05,574 --> 00:14:07,934 Speaker 5: like she changed and wore a blue outfit at the 268 00:14:07,934 --> 00:14:10,174 Speaker 5: Era's tour and that meant nineteen eight nine was coming. 269 00:14:10,454 --> 00:14:12,454 Speaker 5: This is a little bit different because she's been missing, 270 00:14:12,894 --> 00:14:15,094 Speaker 5: Like she's not missing, she's just having fun in living 271 00:14:15,094 --> 00:14:17,094 Speaker 5: her life. But for fans who've got used to seeing 272 00:14:17,094 --> 00:14:19,614 Speaker 5: her everywhere and like knowing what she's doing, it is 273 00:14:19,654 --> 00:14:21,774 Speaker 5: a little bit jarring to not have anything. So I 274 00:14:21,814 --> 00:14:25,094 Speaker 5: think people are clutching at little clues they can find. 275 00:14:25,734 --> 00:14:29,294 Speaker 5: But it would be very Taylor Swift, especially for reputation 276 00:14:29,454 --> 00:14:31,734 Speaker 5: to disappear and then just come back and drop it 277 00:14:31,774 --> 00:14:32,574 Speaker 5: all in a day. 278 00:14:32,814 --> 00:14:33,454 Speaker 3: Okay, TV. 279 00:14:33,694 --> 00:14:36,894 Speaker 2: If she does announce it at the American Music Awards, 280 00:14:37,294 --> 00:14:39,214 Speaker 2: how long do we actually get it. Is it that 281 00:14:39,254 --> 00:14:41,414 Speaker 2: thing of she's already recorded it and we'll just get 282 00:14:41,414 --> 00:14:43,454 Speaker 2: it straight away or will we have to wait? 283 00:14:43,814 --> 00:14:46,294 Speaker 5: We should get it straight away. So in her Time 284 00:14:46,374 --> 00:14:48,614 Speaker 5: Magazine Person of the Year interview that she did a 285 00:14:48,614 --> 00:14:50,454 Speaker 5: while ago, she spoke about the fact that she was 286 00:14:50,494 --> 00:14:53,614 Speaker 5: already recording it. She compared herself to like Harry Potter 287 00:14:53,654 --> 00:14:56,774 Speaker 5: and collecting hawcroxes. It was really weird, but very fun, 288 00:14:56,894 --> 00:14:59,374 Speaker 5: very Taylor Swift. So it's our understanding that she has 289 00:14:59,454 --> 00:15:01,854 Speaker 5: recorded the whole thing. She's joked about this now, but 290 00:15:01,934 --> 00:15:04,054 Speaker 5: she had this catchphrase which was like, there will be 291 00:15:04,094 --> 00:15:07,454 Speaker 5: no explanation, there will just be reputation. So it very 292 00:15:07,494 --> 00:15:10,054 Speaker 5: much feels like she will just drop the whole. 293 00:15:09,854 --> 00:15:14,134 Speaker 2: Thing if we don't get an announcement. That's okay, because 294 00:15:14,134 --> 00:15:16,574 Speaker 2: she's also up for like six awards at the American 295 00:15:16,654 --> 00:15:18,774 Speaker 2: Music Awards. I mean Artist of the Year is in 296 00:15:18,814 --> 00:15:20,894 Speaker 2: the mix, so that's pretty big. How likely is she 297 00:15:20,974 --> 00:15:22,854 Speaker 2: to take home one of those top trophies. 298 00:15:23,334 --> 00:15:27,054 Speaker 5: She is so highly, incredibly likely to take home a 299 00:15:27,054 --> 00:15:30,654 Speaker 5: bunch of awards. She historically wins pretty big at the AMAS. 300 00:15:30,694 --> 00:15:32,374 Speaker 5: It is one of the I think, if not the 301 00:15:32,414 --> 00:15:34,974 Speaker 5: awards show where she's won the most awards ever. She's 302 00:15:34,974 --> 00:15:37,014 Speaker 5: a big AMA winner, and I think with the year, 303 00:15:37,254 --> 00:15:39,454 Speaker 5: two years, three years that she's just had, she's a 304 00:15:39,454 --> 00:15:40,894 Speaker 5: bit of a showing for this one. 305 00:15:41,814 --> 00:15:43,774 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with 306 00:15:43,854 --> 00:15:46,614 Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano 307 00:15:46,694 --> 00:15:49,934 Speaker 2: and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.