WEBVTT - INBOX: How Do I Get Recognition For My Hard Work?

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Amma mea podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to biz Inbox.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm m Vernon and I'm Michelle Battersbee.

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<v Speaker 3>To love it. M.

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<v Speaker 4>This week, we have a question that small business owners

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<v Speaker 4>always ask. Plus we're getting into the etiquette of work trips.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got a juicy story on this and advocating for

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<v Speaker 4>some of the hardest working people in every company, the

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<v Speaker 4>wonderful eas.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to start with the EA question because

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<v Speaker 2>it's really interesting to me. And we got this from

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<v Speaker 2>Ali in Inbox and she says, Hey, ladies, love love

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<v Speaker 2>the pod. I'm an EA for a large financial firm,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd love to hear how I can make some

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<v Speaker 2>of the execs I work with see the value of

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<v Speaker 2>my role. My boss is fantastic and allows me to

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<v Speaker 2>work on or lead bigger projects, which I have done successfully,

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<v Speaker 2>but everyone seems to see these as my boss's success

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<v Speaker 2>and not my own. Other bosses see me as just

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<v Speaker 2>a note taker and meeting scheduler. How do I show

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<v Speaker 2>people that my role is crucial to the success of

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<v Speaker 2>my exec and the business when they don't see all

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<v Speaker 2>the work I do behind the scenes. Mish, Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever been in that like EA position or have you

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<v Speaker 2>had an EA?

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<v Speaker 4>I've never had an EA, but my very first like

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<v Speaker 4>proper job was when I worked in a big investment

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<v Speaker 4>bank as an HR generalist and I started as an

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<v Speaker 4>intern actually, and I remember when I was doing my internship,

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<v Speaker 4>the person who was kind of like my buddy or

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<v Speaker 4>like responsible for me and.

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<v Speaker 3>Looked after me.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember her taking me onto the trading floor one

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<v Speaker 4>day and she was like, I'm going to introduce you

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<v Speaker 4>to the most important person on this floor. And I'm thinking, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's probably the head of the department or something.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was the EA of the head of the department,

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<v Speaker 4>and she taught me such a valuable lesson. She basically said, like,

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<v Speaker 4>don't fuck with the EAS because they're really the most

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<v Speaker 4>powerful people in this building because they kind of control

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<v Speaker 4>the access to those like critical stakeholders who are making decisions,

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<v Speaker 4>and if they like you, they'll prioritize you and help

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<v Speaker 4>you like get in front of these sorts of people

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<v Speaker 4>and like actually advocate for you as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And if they don't like.

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<v Speaker 4>You, you know, that could actually like slow you down

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I found this question interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I think my tips here are tips that anyone is

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<v Speaker 4>really able to apply in any kind of role, though,

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<v Speaker 4>because this is ultimately about exposure. I think what's unique

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<v Speaker 4>about the role of the EA is that sometimes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it may feel like their work is behind someone else.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I thought it was interesting with this question,

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<v Speaker 4>how it sounds like she's got a really good relationship

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<v Speaker 4>with the person that she works for. I would kind

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<v Speaker 4>of start by actually sharing this with them, because it

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<v Speaker 4>really is also their job to advocate for their EA

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<v Speaker 4>and to make sure that their value is seen and

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<v Speaker 4>that it doesn't feel like they are taking praise for

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<v Speaker 4>all of their work behind the scenes. Starting there is

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<v Speaker 4>probably a good option even if you're in those meetings,

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<v Speaker 4>like you're in very important rooms involved in really big conversations,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that's also an opportunity to make your

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<v Speaker 4>knowledge and your expertise known and seen as well, Like

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<v Speaker 4>wherever it's appropriate for you to kind of make a

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<v Speaker 4>comment or ask a question, I think that's a great

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<v Speaker 4>way to show that you know your shit and you're

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<v Speaker 4>on your game. I also think looking at ways to

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<v Speaker 4>cross collaborate is a really good way to gain exposure

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<v Speaker 4>and to show what you're doing to other sorts of people.

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<v Speaker 4>So working with other eas where you can and kind

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<v Speaker 4>of advocating for one another. Another idea is content Like

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<v Speaker 4>it also kind of depends what sort of exposure and

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<v Speaker 4>recognition is she looking for, you know, like is it internal,

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<v Speaker 4>is it external? Is she trying to better her career?

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<v Speaker 4>Is she trying to go for a promotion? So I

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<v Speaker 4>think what she tackles first could also be based on,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, what she's really trying to achieve here. If

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<v Speaker 4>there's any way for her to showcase her work internally

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<v Speaker 4>with any kind of communication tools that you're using, or

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<v Speaker 4>notice boards, or even if it's just linked in, like

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<v Speaker 4>talking about what you're proud of as a way to

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<v Speaker 4>show your work another thing that came to mind. I've

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<v Speaker 4>got many thoughts, it seems. It made me think of

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<v Speaker 4>an episode that we did with SOF where soph was

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<v Speaker 4>talking about the way that you can show your value

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<v Speaker 4>in your performance reviews and in this question she mentioned

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<v Speaker 4>people see me as like a scheduler I think, or

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<v Speaker 4>whatever the word she used was, And it's about showing

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<v Speaker 4>the value and showing how hard it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was for you to even just coordinate something.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're doing a wrap up of your work,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not just like scheduled X meeting, it's coordinated really

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<v Speaker 4>difficult calendars across four major stakeholders. Managed to get this

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<v Speaker 4>in the diary, which achieved X, you know, and really

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<v Speaker 4>digging a little bit deeper into what it is you've

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<v Speaker 4>actually pulled off to highlight that it's a skill that's

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<v Speaker 4>so good.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you're right, like those tips can be

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<v Speaker 2>applied for any job, like not necessarily eas but I

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<v Speaker 2>know that every EA I know has gone on to

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<v Speaker 2>be so successful and land their dream job, and I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like that conversation should be really easy for Allie

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<v Speaker 2>to have with a boss. Because she's already been giving

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<v Speaker 2>those big, trustworthy projects for her to work on, and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like she's in a really good position.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it sounds like she has a good relationship

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<v Speaker 4>with her boss who really values her. They might just

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<v Speaker 4>not even be realizing that she feels like she's not

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<v Speaker 4>getting that exposure, and it could be a really easy

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<v Speaker 4>conversation to have, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>The next question is about overseas work trips.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you have a really good story, so Larissa

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<v Speaker 2>actually gave us a brilliant review on Spotify. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much, Larissa, And she commented, is it appropriate to

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<v Speaker 2>bring your partner to overseas work trips if they are

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<v Speaker 2>booking their own flights but staying in the hotel paid

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<v Speaker 2>for by the company, then extending the work trip to

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<v Speaker 2>a personal trip and paying your way home. This question

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<v Speaker 2>is so interesting to me because my mum, whenever she

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<v Speaker 2>went overseas for work, she'd always bring either me, my sister,

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<v Speaker 2>or my dad, like, no questions asked, But whenever I

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<v Speaker 2>go on a work trip, my parents ask, oh, do

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<v Speaker 2>you think one of us can tag along?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like no, I was gonna ask, like, what is

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<v Speaker 4>your take on this, like, do you think it's play

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<v Speaker 4>on to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it depends on what kind of work trip

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<v Speaker 2>it is, because the ones that I would go on

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<v Speaker 2>at Mum and mea would be like a packed itinerary.

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<v Speaker 2>And it also depends on the person you want to bring,

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like if I were to bring my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd be like, yeah, cool, I'll just stay in the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel room. I'll do my own thing like you do

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<v Speaker 2>your thing, whereas my dad would expect to be entertained.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's like depending on the person you bring,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they think it's like they need to treat it

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<v Speaker 2>like a solo holiday.

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<v Speaker 4>I think one hundred percent I completely agree with you,

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<v Speaker 4>And honestly.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the answer.

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<v Speaker 4>Like in this situation, to me, like the example that

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<v Speaker 4>Larissa sent through, it sounds totally fine to me, Like

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<v Speaker 4>it sounds like you're not taking advantage of your employer

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<v Speaker 4>in a new way. I love seeing people make the

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<v Speaker 4>most of their company travel and like, one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 4>go and do something personal after you've completed the work.

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<v Speaker 4>I think where it can get a bit tricky is

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<v Speaker 4>around the context of the trip.

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<v Speaker 3>So we did a.

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<v Speaker 4>Company retreat at Sunroom and it was a three day retreat.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just in Palm Springs, where based in LA

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<v Speaker 4>so it's, you know, a couple of hours drive away.

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<v Speaker 4>We booked a house where our whole team we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to be staying in the house. It was three days

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<v Speaker 4>packed itinery. The goal of doing this retreat was to

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<v Speaker 4>launch our product at.

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<v Speaker 3>The end of it.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was like high stakes, intense work, but also

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<v Speaker 4>really good bonding experience. And an employee asked to break

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<v Speaker 4>her boyfriend and that is not really an appropriate situation

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<v Speaker 4>to bring like a personal friend or family member into

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<v Speaker 4>when the company are all staying under one roof jam

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<v Speaker 4>packed every hour of the day is kind of full.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not like you're leaving the country or having to

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<v Speaker 4>go too far from work. And there's also like not

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<v Speaker 4>really that much to do there, so it kind of

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<v Speaker 4>just feels like the person would maybe just be hanging

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<v Speaker 4>around and like involved in this one external party that

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<v Speaker 4>would have created a bit of an awkward environment for

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<v Speaker 4>everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>And just eating your snacks inside a class of your

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<v Speaker 2>company and.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the only person sitting at the dinner table at

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<v Speaker 4>the end of these quite intense days. So I think

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<v Speaker 4>you need to apply some thought around like if this

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<v Speaker 4>contextually feels like the right time to bring someone in

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<v Speaker 4>and we'll be able to go off and explore by themselves,

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<v Speaker 4>or will they be crossing paths with everyone else in

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<v Speaker 4>the team and like kind of off to the side

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<v Speaker 4>in this team bonding environment.

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<v Speaker 3>That does change the dynamic.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one. I think it's if they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be bumping into your colleagues, it's a.

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 4>And I also think it's like, if you're going overseas,

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<v Speaker 4>then you're definitely taking a bit of a bigger sacrifice,

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<v Speaker 4>like spending time away from your family, and maybe you're

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<v Speaker 4>not that comfortable heading overseas by yourself, or being in

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<v Speaker 4>a different country, different culture. Maybe that scares you a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit, Maybe that gives you anxiety. So I can

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<v Speaker 4>kind of understand like maybe wanting to travel with someone else,

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<v Speaker 4>But I think, yeah, when it's like local and quite intimate,

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<v Speaker 4>then like that also changes things a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So coming up after the break, we have so many

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<v Speaker 2>questions about listeners wanting to start their own businesses. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how, but I'm really excited to learn. And Belle

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<v Speaker 2>has a really interesting question about exactly how to get

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<v Speaker 2>that all started. We will find out after the break.

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<v Speaker 2>So mis Bell emailed us and if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>email us a question for biz Inbox, you can find

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<v Speaker 2>out exactly how in our show notes. And she said

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<v Speaker 2>that she started a small business making baby products and asked,

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<v Speaker 2>how soon can I announce that I have a small business.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I should wait until I have some success,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm dying to spill the beans. I think about

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<v Speaker 2>this question a lot, like I've never started my own business,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know why I think about it a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but I always think about how there's been so many

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<v Speaker 2>times where I wanted to start something or try to

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<v Speaker 2>start something, and I feel a bit like Megie Markle,

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<v Speaker 2>where I just like announcement after announcement and no.

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<v Speaker 3>Delivery, no delivery.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh like there's no jam.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's just announcing, announcing, announcing, and then maybe five

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<v Speaker 2>years later there'll be a jam.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually so gutted it preserves, by the way.

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<v Speaker 5>MS Sugar, the Preserves sold out in I think it

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<v Speaker 5>was an hour because we could do a whole episode

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<v Speaker 5>on Mean Meghan Sussex.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, by the way, but I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually want you and soph to do a full

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<v Speaker 2>business analysis on what's their website. The Archibalds like that

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<v Speaker 2>whole website, like every little side project from both them.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I do know what you mean, because influencers in

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<v Speaker 4>particular like also get paid out when they're like coming soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't share too much more.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been working on something exciting and everyone's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>come on, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Just tell us what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think it's something that you shouldn't just like

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<v Speaker 4>flippantly announce, like some thought should definitely go into it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think you also need to ask yourself, like,

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<v Speaker 4>where is the fear if I'm feel scared to share?

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<v Speaker 4>Why am I feeling scared? And I think if you're

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<v Speaker 4>scared because you don't think it's good enough or you

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<v Speaker 4>don't think it's successful enough yet, that is not a

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<v Speaker 4>good enough reason to not announce it. So I think

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<v Speaker 4>like trying to dig into what is holding you back

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<v Speaker 4>or maybe like what's also potentially making you want to

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<v Speaker 4>jump the gun. But in all honesty, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>there is much to lose at all in just putting.

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<v Speaker 3>It out there.

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<v Speaker 4>In my experience, there's really only things to gain. I

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<v Speaker 4>think what you need to be sure of before you share,

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<v Speaker 4>is that this is one hundred percent something that you

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<v Speaker 4>are pursuing, Like you're not just going to say you're

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<v Speaker 4>doing something and in a month it's off the to

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<v Speaker 4>the cliff, like it's done, you know, and then maybe

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<v Speaker 4>you'll go again, and like you might lose a bit

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<v Speaker 4>of credibility, people might not take you too seriously. So

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<v Speaker 4>I think you need to make sure it's definitely something

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<v Speaker 4>that you're passionate about your solving a problem and you

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<v Speaker 4>are going to start to build a solution to that problem.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think you can do.

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<v Speaker 4>Some validating in private, like checking that you're you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you think you're onto something here the problem exists. I

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<v Speaker 4>think we've done like a whole episode on this already,

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<v Speaker 4>or like I've written a newsletter about ways you can

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<v Speaker 4>validate your idea. I think you just want to check

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<v Speaker 4>you're onto something and you're going to pursue it, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I honestly think start talking about it because you

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<v Speaker 4>really want to get feedback from people fast and hard,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like you want to hear from people outside

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<v Speaker 4>of your circle, like if they are into this, if

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<v Speaker 4>they've got feedback on your product, like you might be

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<v Speaker 4>able to seek investment by just sharing your story, Like

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<v Speaker 4>there's that saying, you know, build in public and it

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<v Speaker 4>really helps. Like before Sunroom was a thing, we'd spent

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<v Speaker 4>maybe two months validating the idea privately amongst our network

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<v Speaker 4>and then asking our network to introduce us to other people,

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<v Speaker 4>been running surveys, we'd been designing our product, and we

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<v Speaker 4>felt like we had something that was maybe good enough

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<v Speaker 4>to show investors and ask them to give us money

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<v Speaker 4>for it. And so I went out of my Instagram

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<v Speaker 4>stories announced Hey, I'm starting this company called Sunroom. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a create a monetization platform. I'm back in Sydney at

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<v Speaker 4>the moment because I'm speaking to investors, and off the

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<v Speaker 4>back of those stories, I had people reply saying can

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<v Speaker 4>I meet and chat with you about this? Like sounds interesting?

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<v Speaker 4>Had funds reached out to me saying would love to

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<v Speaker 4>get you in for a meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>So like, if I hadn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Just bitten the bullet and done that, I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 4>been able to raise the money to be honest and

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<v Speaker 4>get a lot of introductions. And I definitely felt scared

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<v Speaker 4>doing that because I thought, oh my god, like what

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<v Speaker 4>if this product fails, Like we haven't even built it

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<v Speaker 4>yet like it could be a complete flop, but any

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<v Speaker 4>business can be a complete flop at any moment in

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<v Speaker 4>the journey. So I kind of don't feel like you

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<v Speaker 4>have that much to lose, to be honest in just

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<v Speaker 4>like bringing people along for the ride, because it brings

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<v Speaker 4>people into your story as well, and you can gain

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<v Speaker 4>allies and you can gain your first users because people

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<v Speaker 4>like like to watch the journey.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so interesting. And also I have a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a follow up question because you have like your personal

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<v Speaker 2>profile is a public profile, and then I wanted to know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>how did you navigate kind of announcing Sunroom on your

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<v Speaker 2>socials after the actual product or was it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>alongside like as you were going building the product, were

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<v Speaker 2>you we announcing it and then did you launch the

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<v Speaker 2>Sunroom Instagram and the newsletter alongside that or was there

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<v Speaker 2>a particular like step by step in your mind as

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<v Speaker 2>you did these things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 4>From the moment I went out on my socials and

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<v Speaker 4>shared I was founding this new company, I made sure

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<v Speaker 4>that we'd set up an Instagram account and I linked

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<v Speaker 4>it in those stories because I thought, you know, if

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<v Speaker 4>anyone's like liking the sound of this, I may as

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<v Speaker 4>well capitalize on it right now and get them to

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<v Speaker 4>go and follow the account.

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<v Speaker 3>And that actually.

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<v Speaker 4>Worked so well because I was able to push quite

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people over to that account before we

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<v Speaker 4>even had anything to show for ourselves, and so it

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<v Speaker 4>made us look like a bit more of a legit brand.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess you're about to hear like where the risks

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<v Speaker 4>can come in and this is potentially unique. But it

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<v Speaker 4>then ended up taking us a whole year to actually

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<v Speaker 4>build Sunroom. So we like closed our first round maybe

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<v Speaker 4>in like January twenty twenty one, and we didn't launch

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<v Speaker 4>Sunroom as a platform until February twenty twenty two because

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<v Speaker 4>there ended up being a lot of technology in our

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<v Speaker 4>app that was first time, Like we've got some patents

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<v Speaker 4>and things were being done for the first time, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was actually really hard, and that was honestly probably

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<v Speaker 4>like the most hard on my co founder and I

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<v Speaker 4>like we personally kind of felt like failures for a

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<v Speaker 4>whole year because we couldn't get this product out of

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<v Speaker 4>the gate and it was just taking so long. And

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<v Speaker 4>a part of how we raised money was I went

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<v Speaker 4>out and recruited one hundred founding creators. You know, we

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<v Speaker 4>could show investors We've got these like huge names who

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<v Speaker 4>were down to use our product, and then I basically

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<v Speaker 4>had to keep them warm for a whole year, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and like give them kind of updates on where things

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<v Speaker 4>were at.

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<v Speaker 3>And that at times is kind of.

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<v Speaker 4>What made me feel like a bit of a failure

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<v Speaker 4>and made me feel like maybe people were like losing

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<v Speaker 4>trust and losing faith in me. But at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the day, like we didn't really end up losing

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<v Speaker 4>that many people because of our delays. It was just

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<v Speaker 4>like a big learning for me, I think and Lucy,

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<v Speaker 4>my co founder, Like we just underestimated the complexity of

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<v Speaker 4>our product. And I also mentioned this in another episode.

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<v Speaker 4>We could have launched with like half the features we

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<v Speaker 4>launched with. We were just too perfectionisty. It's first time

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<v Speaker 4>found our mistakes like everything that we did. But again,

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<v Speaker 4>I would never have changed telling people that I was

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<v Speaker 4>launching this product because like it helped us make money,

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<v Speaker 4>it helped us recruit all those creators, Like it actually

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<v Speaker 4>all played out like how it kind of needed to be,

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<v Speaker 4>and we got there in the end. It's just like

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<v Speaker 4>launching any business is hard and so many things blow

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<v Speaker 4>up in your face that you just can't possibly predict.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so interesting that you say that, because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, because you were in it, you felt it more.

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<v Speaker 2>But it did not feel like a whole year. Like

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<v Speaker 2>when you said it was a whole year. That like

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<v Speaker 2>surprised me because it didn't feel like that at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and like we were still making progress.

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<v Speaker 4>So like what I was sharing on my socials was

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<v Speaker 4>just about the progress that we were making. Like, you

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<v Speaker 4>create the narrative yourself, Like you choose what you're going

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<v Speaker 4>to show to people. So what I would choose to

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<v Speaker 4>show was putting a bow on the little winds that

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<v Speaker 4>we were having. But like internally, like it was a

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<v Speaker 4>fucking battle, but like you have to develop resilience and

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<v Speaker 4>grit as a founder, and like that was kind of

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<v Speaker 4>the first taste of it for us. Thanks so much

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<v Speaker 4>for helping us clear the biz inbox. If you've got

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<v Speaker 4>a work question, send it our way. You'll find a

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<v Speaker 4>link to subbit your questions in the.

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<v Speaker 5>Show notes and Mish.

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<v Speaker 2>You and So did an amazing episode that dropped on

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday about how to email like a man as a

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<v Speaker 2>chronic people pleaser. That one was really hard to listen to,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've been trying my best. You'll be happy to

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<v Speaker 2>know we will be back in the biz in box

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<v Speaker 2>next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye, Mamma.

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