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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm table Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 3: news podcast, The Quickie. After two shocking embryo mix ups,

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Speaker 3: the CEO of Monash IVF has resigned. IVF in Australia

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Speaker 3: has been in the spotlight for this and many other

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Speaker 3: reasons recently. So where to from here? Plus, if you've

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Speaker 3: been freezing inside your home, you're not imagining it. Australian

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Speaker 3: houses are amongst some of the coldest in the world.

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Speaker 3: But there's a new trend that might help Before we

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Speaker 3: get there. Hugh's Clare Murphy with the latest from the

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Speaker 3: Quickie News room for Monday, June sixteenth, Thanks Taylor.

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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump has posted to social media that

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Speaker 2: he ran in Israel will have peace soon, as both

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Speaker 2: countries launched fresh attacks on each other overnight. Trump's comments

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Speaker 2: contry predict those made by Israeli President Benjamin Netnyahu, who

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Speaker 2: said on Saturday that Israel's campaign against Iran will intensify.

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Speaker 2: Israeli rescue teams yesterday scoured through the rubble of buildings

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Speaker 2: destroyed by Iranian missiles, using sniffer dogs and heavy excavators

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Speaker 2: to search for survivors after at least ten people, including

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Speaker 2: including up to sixty people, half of those children who

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Speaker 2: was hit by an air strike on Saturday. Israel launched

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Speaker 2: Operation Rising Line on Friday, targeting Iran's military command, also

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Speaker 2: damaging several nuclear sites and killing at least fourteen Iranian

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Speaker 2: Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong said that the situation in

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Speaker 2: and obviously to Israel. As US President Donald Trump celebrated

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Speaker 2: No Kings demonstrations across the country. The various state governors

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Speaker 2: saying things like my grandpa fought fascism, My turn now

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Speaker 2: The shooter remains at large, with police saying they had

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Speaker 3: Thanks Claire. Next the crisis facing Australia's IVF industry. Last week,

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Speaker 3: We Keep By Any Means podcast, Amelia Oberhart. Amelia, can

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Speaker 1: There's two couples in Brisbane. They do not know each other.

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Speaker 1: ring Monash to say hey, move our remaining embryos out

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Speaker 1: and that's a huge mistake. The one that happen in Melbourne,

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Speaker 1: And I mean that's a huge issue that we identified

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Speaker 1: this absolute fundamental need for a federal governing body. Currently,

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Speaker 1: The states aren't speaking to each other. There's thirty different

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Speaker 1: You know, this is human life, and nobody really has

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Speaker 1: Particularly for don't conceived children who have a huge issue

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Speaker 1: I can understand the use of anonymous sperm was hugely

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Speaker 1: have the same checks and balances, you know, introducing legislation

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Speaker 1: if things go wrong. Because Monash is a publicly listed company,

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Speaker 1: it had to report mishaps and misdemeanors and incidents, whereas

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Speaker 3: We're also saying now that advocates calling for families to

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Speaker 1: The prevalence of DNA testing is something nobody saw coming,

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Speaker 3: So anyone who's currently going through IVF, what sort of

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Speaker 1: I spoke to someone this morning who suggested that there

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Speaker 1: should be two embryoologists on stuff. I think we largely

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Speaker 3: Okay, so quickie, friends, I need to share. Recently I

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Speaker 3: Will my coworkers judged me? But of course, before I

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Speaker 4: know why Australia was like, let's not inflate our houses.

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Speaker 4: Let's all just put on a CapMan do jacket and

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Speaker 3: A day now. Of course, I back this up with

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Speaker 3: It's called cozymaxing. As the name suggests, The practice involves

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Speaker 3: creating the ultimate cozy environment to decompress and reach out.

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Speaker 3: It starts with the basics a warm shower, fresh sheets,

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Speaker 3: can help us feel better. Just remember to use it

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Speaker 3: in moderation. There's a difference between taking time to reset

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Speaker 3: So I guess there goes my plans of double bagging

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Speaker 3: very last moment before work starts. Nevertheless, maybe cozy maxing

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Speaker 3: is the way through the upcoming wintery season. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: taking some time to feed your mind with us today.

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Speaker 3: The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano and Clare Murphy.

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Speaker 3: With audio production by Lou Hill. MoMA Mea Studios are

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