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Speaker 1: Loud and to our Friday show where we take a
Speaker 1: break from the news cycle and breathe out but not
Speaker 1: with our mouths open. If we recently ate something with garlic.
Speaker 1: Today's Friday, October the eleventh, and I'm Meya Friedman.
Speaker 2: I'm Jesse Stevens. And guess who where joined by today?
Speaker 1: Not Holly, not Holly.
Speaker 2: It's me the Esteemed, So we have to say now
Speaker 2: esteemed Amelia Lester.
Speaker 3: It does say in the script not to do that
Speaker 3: joke anymore, but.
Speaker 1: I wrote that, but let's go with her was looking
Speaker 1: and yet here we are. But on the show today,
Speaker 1: have you noticed everyone's counseling plans from dinners to meetings?
Speaker 1: What is behind our inability to commit? Why does it
Speaker 1: feel so so good? Plus a life changing wardrob pack
Speaker 1: and some good things to read and watch over your
Speaker 1: weekend and a much needed tip for elder millennials. It's
Speaker 1: our recommendations, and we wrap up the week with our
Speaker 1: best and Worst, which includes Spooky Season a surprising hangover
Speaker 1: in the scoop from a long weekend.
Speaker 2: But first, in case you missed it, allow me to
Speaker 2: introduce you to October theory, the reason you might have
Speaker 2: noticed an energy shift lately. October theory states that the
Speaker 2: beginning of October is almost like a new year. A
Speaker 2: viral TikTok video by Chloe von Berkel explains that this
Speaker 2: is the time when everyone realizes there are only three
Speaker 2: months left of the year, and there are a lot
Speaker 2: of things that you meant to do at the beginning
Speaker 2: that you'd forgotten about.
Speaker 4: Because of that, this is a time when a lot
Speaker 4: of people are going to be making a lot of
Speaker 4: big life changes and a lot of major LFE decisions,
Speaker 4: and a lot of just like canon events will be
Speaker 4: happening for a lot of different people at this time.
Speaker 2: But wait, there's more, Because apparently if you go through
Speaker 2: your camera roll and type in the word October and
Speaker 2: you examine your parts October's, then big things happen. It's
Speaker 2: a month of enormous change. So October is also meant
Speaker 2: to signal something called cuffing season, which means that breakups happen,
Speaker 2: new relationships are booming, lots happens with work ladies, Are
Speaker 2: we feeling the vibe shift? There's only eighty one days
Speaker 2: left of the year.
Speaker 1: What is cuffing mean?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Something to do with relationships. Oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I was on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Well, I've definitely noticed a vibe shift. But my birthday
Speaker 1: funnily enough not to bring this back to me. But
Speaker 1: is October one? So my birth actually kicks off new year.
Speaker 1: Some would say the new year, well just beginning of
Speaker 1: time really, so what I feel about October? I know
Speaker 1: very little about horses. I've only ridden them a couple
Speaker 1: of times. I once told a guy who invited me
Speaker 1: to go horse riding that I knew how to ride
Speaker 1: a horse, and he assumed that because I was Australian
Speaker 1: he was English, that, of course everyone in Australia knows
Speaker 1: how to ride a horse. And I was going to
Speaker 1: pull it off really well. In fact, I thought I
Speaker 1: did until I tried to get on the horse on
Speaker 1: the wrong side. But anyone see, yeah, I know who
Speaker 1: knew that there's a thing with horses when they see
Speaker 1: home or they sense home or something, they'll run because
Speaker 1: it's like I've mangled that. But sometimes horses go out
Speaker 1: of control when you point them to home. No one
Speaker 1: knows anything what I feel. What I feel like is
Speaker 1: October is a horse, and when it sees the end
Speaker 1: of the year. I feel like October is when the
Speaker 1: horse sees home, which is the end of the year.
Speaker 1: We gallop and then it starts running fast. I have
Speaker 1: a less tortured analogy. How how could you have a
Speaker 1: less tortured analogy than that?
Speaker 3: I find this time of year stressful because you know
Speaker 3: what time of year it is. It's let's catch up
Speaker 3: before Christmas? Sh right, Yeah, you're absolutely right, and then
Speaker 3: you just know that you're not going to see this
Speaker 3: person for another two years.
Speaker 1: The good news is that it's also the time in
Speaker 1: small talk season when you can start saying, what are
Speaker 1: your plans for Christmas?
Speaker 2: Have you found that there's a renewed like your goals
Speaker 2: for the year or what you're meant to do? Do
Speaker 2: you feel like you never kind of no? I can't
Speaker 2: even ask shit, I forgot my word.
Speaker 1: I was going to say. This is usually out loud,
Speaker 1: to say, what's your word? How's it going, Amelia? What's
Speaker 1: your word this year? This is a tangent, but go.
Speaker 3: On Oh gosh, well, I haven't. I made a big
Speaker 3: move this year. I moved from the US back to
Speaker 3: Australia after nearly twenty years away. That's not an answer
Speaker 3: to the question. It's not. But I've just been trying
Speaker 3: to survive and set up my electricity billain. Okay, it's
Speaker 3: not been.
Speaker 1: Your word of the year has been utilities, and yours
Speaker 1: is horses. Apparently you'll run.
Speaker 3: We are.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I was in Melbourne and
Speaker 1: I I had some time open up suddenly, and I
Speaker 1: called my friend Sally, friend of the pod out louder
Speaker 1: het Worth, and I said, you want to have dinner
Speaker 1: any chance? And she's like, yep, I'll make it work.
Speaker 1: We made a plan and then I had to cancel
Speaker 1: because I had to go back to Sydney. So then
Speaker 1: I canceled and I'm like, stand down, can't do it,
Speaker 1: And she said, thank you so much for the gift
Speaker 1: of a canceled evening, which is so much better than
Speaker 1: just having a night with no plans to begin with.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, you know yes.
Speaker 1: And it made me think of a story that was
Speaker 1: hugely popular this week on Mamma Mia called the Rise
Speaker 1: of the last minute cancelor and why all your friends
Speaker 1: are doing it. It's a piece written for Mamma Maya
Speaker 1: by Beck Day, and she wrote, bailing on plans was
Speaker 1: once a guilty, whispered confession that has now swelled into
Speaker 1: a roaring declaration of self care. The joy of canceled
Speaker 1: plans is an intoxicating elixa, and our generation is drunk
Speaker 1: on it. She also talks about how in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: a person called Maddie Kahan wrote this tweet that went viral,
Speaker 1: and the tweet was the app is called You're Canceled.
Speaker 1: When you've made plans and you wish you could cancel,
Speaker 1: you go into the app and press a little button.
Speaker 1: If the other person presses theirs too, congratulations, confetti explodes
Speaker 1: and your plans are canceled. If you press yours but
Speaker 1: the other person doesn't, your plans remain intact and they
Speaker 1: never find out that you wanted to cancel. And that pitch,
Speaker 1: which was actually just sort of made up, has since
Speaker 1: become an actual app, unfortunately not available in Australia yet.
Speaker 1: I went to the app store and looked for it.
Speaker 1: It got hundreds of thousands of likes and it was
Speaker 1: retweeted thousands of times. I want to ask about cancelation, Amelia,
Speaker 1: Are you a councelor? No?
Speaker 3: And I want to push back a little bit against
Speaker 3: the idea that we're all secret counselors and suggests that
Speaker 3: for people who have little kids, we don't like canceling
Speaker 3: because we hired a babysitter three weeks ago. That's so
Speaker 3: there's a certain group that does not want to cancel.
Speaker 3: And when you canceled on me recently for dinner, let's
Speaker 3: just say I started a voodoo doll.
Speaker 1: Hah. Can I just say you canceled on me that
Speaker 1: same arrangement two weeks before for reasons because of your
Speaker 1: little kids. So I think the common denominator is little
Speaker 1: kids now very selfish ruin your life.
Speaker 2: There is something interesting there, right, because there are some
Speaker 2: plans that feel less sticky, right, that feel like they're
Speaker 2: not really set in stone. I kind of had a
Speaker 2: last minute Sunday night, grand final go to the pub
Speaker 2: thing with a friend and it got to Sunday vo
Speaker 2: and I just couldn't stand up right. I was so
Speaker 2: tired after being away on the long weekend. Ended up canceling.
Speaker 2: He was relieved. It was great that's so true. It's
Speaker 2: like easy into the diary, easy out of the day. Yes,
Speaker 2: Whereas I've had instances lately where I have had a
Speaker 2: really big week, really long day at home with lunar.
Speaker 2: Maybe things have been hard, and that Friday night seven
Speaker 2: o'clock thing is emotionally very very important to me, like
Speaker 2: if I'm feeling really lonely, which you can when you're
Speaker 2: at home with a little kid. Yeah, You've looked forward
Speaker 2: to it all week, and it would break me if
Speaker 2: they canceled. And a few times I've wondered if it's
Speaker 2: appropriate to kind of go, can't cancel this one? Like
Speaker 2: this one here is actually really important because we are
Speaker 2: so flexible with plans, and I find that things are
Speaker 2: canceled more than ever before. I find it with meetings
Speaker 2: at work. I walk into work sometimes and you know
Speaker 2: you're twelve o'clock's done, and this is everything feels kind.
Speaker 1: Of fluid, way moreluid.
Speaker 2: Which I think is maybe a COVID hangover. I still
Speaker 2: think that people are more fluid than before COVID.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's COVID as much. I think it's technology,
Speaker 1: because before you'd make a plan and then you had
Speaker 1: to keep it because you had no way of contacting
Speaker 1: the other person really like you could call them at home,
Speaker 1: but if they have left already. Now you can sort
Speaker 1: of cancel up until an hour before and people do do.
Speaker 2: You think that's appropriate now before? Because I've really had it.
Speaker 2: I've probably had the shower you just.
Speaker 3: Invoked for me a muscle memory of when I was
Speaker 3: a teenager sitting on the steps of Sydney town Hall
Speaker 3: waiting for friends and just assuming that they would show
Speaker 3: up because we discussed this on our landlines a couple
Speaker 3: of days earlier and there was just no ability to cancel.
Speaker 3: Technology has made it easier to cancel than ever before.
Speaker 3: But Mia, do you secretly like cancel plans or is
Speaker 3: this your stick?
Speaker 1: Like? Oh, I love it more than you love that,
Speaker 1: because I think what Sale said was exactly right. There's
Speaker 1: something about being given time back for me. I feel
Speaker 1: so happy when someone cancels on me, even though I
Speaker 1: know if they don't and we actually do the thing,
Speaker 1: I love it. Not to say I wasn't happy when
Speaker 1: you canceled on me because I'd mentally prepared. I was
Speaker 1: wearing the outfit that I wanted to be wearing. I
Speaker 1: wasn't angry at you, but I was disappointed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on the season. There are seasons when
Speaker 2: like you're in a season right now where you're really
Speaker 2: busy with wor where you get a lot of social
Speaker 2: stimulation from work, and this is maybe the tensions when
Speaker 2: you or your mates are in a different season where
Speaker 2: it's like really really important for you. I once had
Speaker 2: a mate from Mother's group and I had had a
Speaker 2: really rough night or whatever, and Will meant to meet
Speaker 2: up and I just messaged her last minute and I went, look,
Speaker 2: she's got a running nose. I just don't think I
Speaker 2: can do it. And I could tell by her response
Speaker 2: how much they'd been looking forward to it, and I thought,
Speaker 2: you might have actually not seen another adult for weeks.
Speaker 2: We're in that stage where it's like this was the
Speaker 2: thing that was getting you through, that you could sit
Speaker 2: with someone and kind of and anyway, we ended up
Speaker 2: just doing it. I was just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: she's not one hundred percent I'm going to talk around
Speaker 2: the PRAM. We're going to do it. Like I could
Speaker 2: tell from that response, do you know.
Speaker 1: I think a big problem with cancelation for me is
Speaker 1: my morning self will write checks that my evening self
Speaker 1: or afternoon self can't cash. So I've had to make
Speaker 1: a thing because in the morning, I'm my most energetic,
Speaker 1: my most optimistic. If I've gone for if I've done exercise,
Speaker 1: I'll be feeling very energized and loving towards the world.
Speaker 1: I want to see people. But by the afternoon, let
Speaker 1: alone the next week, that'll all be gone and I'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh no.
Speaker 2: There was an article that I read recently called the
Speaker 2: Mainstreaming of Lusidom by a substact called Tell the Bees,
Speaker 2: and she writes about how somehow one of the main
Speaker 2: hobbies that has been accepted by the masses is staying home,
Speaker 2: laying in bed, scrolling on your phone, and watching television.
Speaker 2: And she reflected that every viral meme is about canceling plans, Netflix,
Speaker 2: introversion and hating small talk, like that's.
Speaker 1: Pretty much become like a cool brand.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And she made this interesting comparison to sort
Speaker 2: of twenty years ago, the sex and city girls were
Speaker 2: always partying, they were always out and engaged with lots
Speaker 2: of different people. And if you were someone who didn't
Speaker 2: have friends and you didn't really leave your house, then
Speaker 2: you weren't aspirational, you were weird, and now it's almost
Speaker 2: the opposite. So when Charlie XCX threw this you brat
Speaker 2: summer out, the internet got kind of weird about it
Speaker 2: because they were like, don't force me partying, Like almost
Speaker 2: like she wasn't one of them. Because the I guess
Speaker 2: the dominant Internet culture is that you don't want to
Speaker 2: leave your house, probably because the people who have left
Speaker 2: the house aren't on the Internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I also think that the other thing
Speaker 1: that technology has done is given us a lot of
Speaker 1: social nourishment through our phone. Now it's not the same
Speaker 1: as seeing people, but once upon a time, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to socialize, you had to leave your house by definition.
Speaker 1: Now you can do a whole lot of socializing. Admittedly
Speaker 1: it's a different kind. But even though you and I
Speaker 1: haven't had dinner for a while, we're still very connected
Speaker 1: because we message all day every day, and so you
Speaker 1: can stay in touch with people in that way. But
Speaker 1: there's also the politics of canceled plans, because if you're
Speaker 1: with a group and one person cancels, does the plan
Speaker 1: go ahead or do you all agree to redo it?
Speaker 1: And my view is that if the person who canceled
Speaker 1: is then responsible for making the event happen because they
Speaker 1: fucked it. I don't know, Like, if you've got a
Speaker 1: group of people, I know we've talked about this before
Speaker 1: and one cancels, what do you do.
Speaker 3: I also want to put forward that with different friendships,
Speaker 3: you have a bank account of cancelation crate. Agree, And
Speaker 3: speaking as someone who's trying to make new friends because
Speaker 3: I just moved here, I've realized that having made a
Speaker 3: plan with a new friend, you cannot.
Speaker 1: You've got to earn a cancelation.
Speaker 3: You've got to earn it. And certain friendships can withstand it.
Speaker 3: And I actually think jokes aside as absolutely can here
Speaker 3: because we know we're just always going to meet each
Speaker 3: other on WhatsApp. But there are other friendships where you're
Speaker 3: aware that your cancelation credits are either low or non existence,
Speaker 3: and that happens sometimes, particularly with new friends.
Speaker 2: I reckon I've had friendships end or friendships really fizzle
Speaker 2: out because I used my canceled.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you just become the flake.
Speaker 2: Then you become someone who's flaking and unreliable, which are
Speaker 2: absolutely and.
Speaker 3: For someone who's shopping for a new friend, they need
Speaker 3: to see that you're reliable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because it's not just friendship groups that are
Speaker 1: bailing on commitments, it's also the job market. Forbes released
Speaker 1: a piece titled job Ghosting, Why employer's ghost candidates during
Speaker 1: the interview process. It talks about how job ghosting refers
Speaker 1: to the practice as suddenly ceasing all communication with a
Speaker 1: candidate in the hope that the applicant will get the
Speaker 1: hint that they're no longer being considered for the position,
Speaker 1: as opposed to the human resource professional or hiring manager
Speaker 1: simply telling them that they're out of the running.
Speaker 2: That is so bad.
Speaker 3: It's so rude.
Speaker 2: It's so so rude. And it's also like you better
Speaker 2: not want to ever hire that person, because if in
Speaker 2: six months or twelve months a position comes up in
Speaker 2: that person would have been perfect, well, then you've really
Speaker 2: burned them.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it'll go the other way as well. I've been
Speaker 1: in situations where I've had conversations with people about jobs
Speaker 1: and they've been like yeah, yeah, yeah, nay, just ghoest you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's this idea that being unreliable is not something
Speaker 1: that people are worried about being seen as do you think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if it's like again a post COVID thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't imagine why employers think that that's okay.
Speaker 3: I remember whenever I've been applying for a job, I've
Speaker 3: always received word about what happened. And when I've been
Speaker 3: hiring for a job, I always try and reach out
Speaker 3: to people. Now they will sometimes come back to me
Speaker 3: and they will say why didn't I get the job?
Speaker 3: And I don't find it helpful to go into detail
Speaker 3: at that point. It's not my job to be their
Speaker 3: career coach, and I sort of draw a line. But
Speaker 3: I think it's very what do you say?
Speaker 1: Literally? What do you say?
Speaker 3: I just say there are a lot of competitive candidates
Speaker 3: and just shut it down. But I think it's very
Speaker 3: important to be clear.
Speaker 2: When you just don't get the call anymore. I feel
Speaker 2: I know the word is overused, but I feel triggered
Speaker 2: because I feel like I'm being romantically ghosted.
Speaker 1: I feel that the rules of to bring it back
Speaker 1: to cancelation. When you cancel a plan, the onus is
Speaker 1: on you to then reinstate the plan, which makes me realize,
Speaker 1: have we got a dinner in the diary?
Speaker 3: Baby?
Speaker 4: Do you believe that cancel them.
Speaker 2: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your
Speaker 2: weekend with our best recommendations. May I you can go first. Please.
Speaker 1: My recommendation is very is the word prosaic, which is
Speaker 1: what basic small? What does prosaic mean?
Speaker 2: I didn't think that's what like very very every day?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what.
Speaker 2: It's actually quite good.
Speaker 1: Correctly use the word, even though I couldn't define it.
Speaker 1: I did a guest episode on Nothing to Wear, our
Speaker 1: fashion podcast with Lee Campbell this week, and we were
Speaker 1: talking about Lee's travel tips. She's just come back from overseas.
Speaker 1: She's got the most extraordinary travel tips, and one of
Speaker 1: the things that she told me about were hanger extenders.
Speaker 1: They're these little things that are like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: they're the size of your thumb, a little plastic thing.
Speaker 1: We put a photo in the out Louder's newsletter this week.
Speaker 1: But what it means is that you can, if you've
Speaker 1: got limited hanging space in your wardrobe, and who doesn't,
Speaker 1: you can hang your clothes like vertically, get down so
Speaker 1: each hanger can hang off the hanger above it. Yes,
Speaker 1: you just get them from Amazon. They're super cheap. She
Speaker 1: also says she uses them. She takes them traveling. Ok,
Speaker 1: why you take them traveling? But she said she uses
Speaker 1: it for planning outfits. That might not be something that
Speaker 1: you two do, but I do it all the time,
Speaker 1: and I do it on my floor, and the problem
Speaker 1: with that is that my dog come and lie on
Speaker 1: it or sometimes shit on it quite literally, So better
Speaker 1: I hang it up and it sort of layers them
Speaker 1: in a little line, which I think is really cool. Anyway,
Speaker 1: hanger extenders who knew.
Speaker 2: My recommendation is a really uninspired one because it is
Speaker 2: a book that Holly has already recommended. It is called
Speaker 2: French Braid. I loved it. Not a single thing happens,
Speaker 2: and that is why I am going to throw to
Speaker 2: a Milia who has enough recommendations to sustain a small tripe.
Speaker 1: Just wait for a second. I think I read that
Speaker 1: after Holly recommended it. Yeah, is this the one where
Speaker 1: she moves into There's no spoiler alerts because she's a
Speaker 1: married woman in her forties or fifties or maybe even sixties,
Speaker 1: and she gets like a studio.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so basically she has this family and it's
Speaker 2: I love books that span generations. I just find them
Speaker 2: very satisfying. So like it begins and she gets married
Speaker 2: and she has these kids, and then when her last
Speaker 2: kid moves out, she basically goes to this garage where
Speaker 2: to paint. She's not a very good painter, but she
Speaker 2: just refuses to care for anyone or anything. And then
Speaker 2: someone tries to give her a cat at one point,
Speaker 2: and she and she's just like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: look after a cat.
Speaker 1: She quite quits her not just her marriage, but her family,
Speaker 1: really her responsibility. She quite quits.
Speaker 2: It's a really.
Speaker 1: Gentle It's a gentle book, isn't it. But it's good.
Speaker 2: Analysis of motherhood and family.
Speaker 1: And connection burden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really really enjoyed it, Amelia, What have you
Speaker 2: been watching, reading doing?
Speaker 3: Okay? I just wanted to run with this opportunity to
Speaker 3: recommend a bunch of things. I'm gonna start with Ana
Speaker 3: Garten's memoir. Now do you even know who Anna Garten is?
Speaker 1: I keep hearing about Ana Garten and I don't know.
Speaker 2: I never get a name.
Speaker 1: Aina Garten confused with Ara Glass, who is the host
Speaker 1: of this American Life podcast. But they're different people.
Speaker 3: So Ana Garten I knew nothing about her. I just
Speaker 3: knew that my husband loves cooking her roast chicken recipe,
Speaker 3: and that she has a famously good marriage. Everyone talks
Speaker 3: about her marriage. She's a guy named Jeffrey's American. She's
Speaker 3: an American cookbook writer. I should have left.
Speaker 1: But like Julia Child, or like Nigella Lawson, or like.
Speaker 3: Sort of somewhere in between, Like she's got the kind
Speaker 3: of Julia Child's old school approach, but she does have
Speaker 3: the sort of like sexiness of a Nigella, So she's
Speaker 3: sort of she's in her seventies. But people kept talking
Speaker 3: about her memoir that's just come out. It's called b
Speaker 3: When the Luck Happens, which is a great title. I
Speaker 3: think I just thought i'd start listening to it on
Speaker 3: a road trip this past weekend. She reads it. She
Speaker 3: has a lovely voice, and as it happens, the book
Speaker 3: is a lot about her marriage and about what makes
Speaker 3: real good partnership. Jeffrey, her husband, is always sort of
Speaker 3: popping in on her Food Network show. She talks about
Speaker 3: how much she enjoys her recipes. So everyone knows about Jeffrey,
Speaker 3: and the book is very much about the pull and
Speaker 3: push involved when two ambitious people get married or get together.
Speaker 3: So they got married in nineteen sixty eight, and there's
Speaker 3: some tough moments for their marriage, and she's pretty honest
Speaker 3: about all of that. Jeffrey, he's a professor. What I
Speaker 3: didn't expect to get out of this is that it's
Speaker 3: a masterclass in how to make big, risky life decisions.
Speaker 3: Because at thirty Aina quit this really important job at
Speaker 3: the White House. She worked on nuclear policy, and her
Speaker 3: husband also worked in Washington, DC on government stuff, and
Speaker 3: then she opened a gourmet food shop in New York
Speaker 3: called The Barefoot Contessa, which you may have.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard of that. I think that was made
Speaker 1: into a TV.
Speaker 3: She was made into a TV show and she's a
Speaker 3: whole brand empire now. But at the time that was
Speaker 3: a really impulsive and wild choice, and I loved hearing
Speaker 3: her sort of thinking through that really crazy choice at
Speaker 3: the age of thirty and how you think about making
Speaker 3: a big leap in your life. She talks about Jeffrey's
Speaker 3: advice as being do what you love. If you love it,
Speaker 3: you'll be very good at it. So that's a kind
Speaker 3: of heartwarming read.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that.
Speaker 3: What is not heartwarming but really interesting. Have you watched
Speaker 3: Australian's Story, the three part series about Lochlan Murdock.
Speaker 2: Everyone has told me I need to love this so good.
Speaker 3: My hairdresser told me that it's literally all anyone wants
Speaker 3: to talk about me.
Speaker 5: Really, everyone sort of likes the idea of a soap
Speaker 5: opera and the reality is really not that we actually
Speaker 5: are a very close family.
Speaker 3: I love my brothers, I love my sisters.
Speaker 1: We're normal family.
Speaker 5: We just have a bit of a spotlight on.
Speaker 6: I think that all of Murdoch's children, their stories are
Speaker 6: about proving themselves to their father. Lachlan's story is the
Speaker 6: happiest story. All Lachlan had to do to prove himself
Speaker 6: to his father was to be Lachlin, to be adoring,
Speaker 6: to see the world the same way Rupert did. That
Speaker 6: was Lachlan's face in the Hall in the Succession Fate.
Speaker 3: So obviously we all know who Rupert Murdock is, but
Speaker 3: I love following his personal life.
Speaker 2: I always have.
Speaker 3: For instance, my personal Roman Empire is the fact that
Speaker 3: when Rupert Murdoch broke up with Jerry Hall, as you remember,
Speaker 3: it happened so suddenly and so out of the blue
Speaker 3: that she had to call her ex Mick Jagger to
Speaker 3: help her pack up and leave Rupert's mansion because he
Speaker 3: said get out.
Speaker 2: Oh well I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Well you know what Mick had to do. He had
Speaker 1: to come and remove all the CCTV cameras and de
Speaker 1: security it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yes, because he knows a few things about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So is dumb question? Is Lachlan the heir?
Speaker 3: Yes, so Lachlan's the favorite son and he's going to
Speaker 3: inherit Rupert's media empire, so he's he's from me, that's
Speaker 3: from secession. The problem is that Lachlan's siblings, Elizabeth and James,
Speaker 3: appear to hate both Lachlan and this plan, so they
Speaker 3: are currently has many siblings.
Speaker 1: He's also got an older sister, Prue, by Rupert's first marriage,
Speaker 1: and two younger sisters by Wendy Deng. Yes, but they're
Speaker 1: not part of the trust, so it was essentially left
Speaker 1: to the four eldest Murdoch children. When he got divorced
Speaker 1: from Lachlan, James and Elizabeth's mother, Anna Murdoch, she made
Speaker 1: sure that the trust gave all four of them, including Prue,
Speaker 1: who is a stepdaughter, an equal share, and when the
Speaker 1: new ones came along, they don't get voting rights. They
Speaker 1: get a share, but they don't get voting rights. And
Speaker 1: so what's interesting now is after he's just married for
Speaker 1: the fifth time at the age of ninety three, there's
Speaker 1: been a court case going on recently where Rupert Murdoch
Speaker 1: has argued that only Lachlan should get to decide what
Speaker 1: happens to the company and not the others, because he
Speaker 1: says that the others, who are famously less conservative than Lachlan,
Speaker 1: who's said to be more right wing than Rupert, that
Speaker 1: they'll destroy Fox News because they might either take it
Speaker 1: further to the left or make it more moderate, or
Speaker 1: make it, I don't know, stop saying the things that
Speaker 1: it does. And so he's essentially gone to court to
Speaker 1: argue that three of his children are incapable of running
Speaker 1: the business and will lose all the value of the company,
Speaker 1: and that Lachlan has to be the only one and
Speaker 1: so the three elder than the united in fighting. It's
Speaker 1: Lachlan and Rupert against the other three siblings.
Speaker 2: It's Extrame's what the Australian story is about.
Speaker 1: The end part of it is, Yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 1: runs all the way through, and that court case hasn't
Speaker 1: been decided yet, but it's with the backdrop of all
Speaker 1: of that, and James Packer speaks about Lachlan and there's
Speaker 1: like old interview footage of Lachlan. I've taken over your recommendation.
Speaker 3: No, it's great. James Tracker was a highlight for me
Speaker 3: because Lachlan doesn't speak, but he and James are closed
Speaker 3: and you have to assume that he gave the green
Speaker 3: light to it. James comes across as very vulnerable, honest
Speaker 3: about their failed business ventures together.
Speaker 1: So that's on IVIEWBCA iView if you want to watch that.
Speaker 3: It's three parts. It's so fascinating. Okay, the next one
Speaker 3: is more prosaic. It's a recommendation for all my elder
Speaker 3: millennials out there. This term was coined, of course, by
Speaker 3: comedian Eliza Schlessinger. I can never I like your stand up.
Speaker 3: She does good stand up. Yeah, and she, like me,
Speaker 3: was born in the early to mid eighties. Okay, So
Speaker 3: for all of us who meet that criteria, I have
Speaker 3: some bad news, which is scientists have discovered that as
Speaker 3: your face ages, you lose contrast. Did you know this?
Speaker 1: I did know this because I'm a gen X and
Speaker 1: my eyebrows disappeared. Have you seen my drivers?
Speaker 2: What do you mean by you lose contract?
Speaker 3: So your lips, eyes, and your eyebrows get paler, and
Speaker 3: then surrounding skin gets darker, and so the result is
Speaker 3: just a wash of pale.
Speaker 1: What about your nipples, Well, you could put some lippy
Speaker 1: on them. I suppose this is why makeup wasn't so
Speaker 1: lavier changes color. There you go, Friday, it's another recommendation.
Speaker 3: Make tap was invented to make us literally look younger
Speaker 3: by adding color to our face. So applying this logic,
Speaker 3: I gave my brows some love for the first time
Speaker 3: in many years, and I got a brow tint. And
Speaker 3: I'd always been scared of them because I do have
Speaker 3: pale features, and I thought I'd look like John Howard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think that I do. You joine
Speaker 1: it all? So we have someone who comes into them
Speaker 1: a mer office pretty often these days, because there's so
Speaker 1: many people who want to get their brows done, and
Speaker 1: everyone gets their brows done, and it's such a used
Speaker 1: to happen in the kitchen, and so to be sitting
Speaker 1: there with their brows done, yea, I do right at home? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a chemist kit.
Speaker 2: I would say it's particularly good about your eyebrows, Amelia,
Speaker 2: is that what you have gone for is a cooler
Speaker 2: home and it really suits your features. So when mine
Speaker 2: has gone wrong is they've they've done quite a warm
Speaker 2: blonde and it almost can go a little bit orange
Speaker 2: or something that doesn't work. And now they do a
Speaker 2: little And when I do it at home, I do
Speaker 2: a brown, and I do just a little bit of
Speaker 2: black and it cools the hole.
Speaker 1: So that's a very good point. I think you could
Speaker 1: go a little darker. Yeah, I do. And as you
Speaker 1: know what else I've been doing. I've got a product
Speaker 1: that I bought I think two faces. It's called fluff
Speaker 1: and hold. It's like a because I have never done
Speaker 1: the laminating thing that feels I think it's over so
Speaker 1: but you can sort of brush them up. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: had to do a lot more eyebrown maintenance as I've
Speaker 1: got older. I did think about having like tattooing yep
Speaker 1: or something, or a transfer.
Speaker 3: I'm not quite ready.
Speaker 1: I can't be bothered a transplant. Yeah, you can have
Speaker 1: a transplant.
Speaker 3: Wow. The Wonders of Modern Science. Final recommendation only murders
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Speaker 1: Or only murders in the building. I'm Charles Hay.
Speaker 2: What the hell didn't Savage? You can just splice that
Speaker 2: onto the Charles Hay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll get out the splicer Hollywood studio.
Speaker 3: I wanted to make a movie of our podcast.
Speaker 1: The script is amazing.
Speaker 6: Oliver flits around the room, accepted genarian Peter Pan or
Speaker 6: a male tinker Bell.
Speaker 2: I do not walk that way again. This is one
Speaker 2: that I have heard so much about and I haven't
Speaker 2: watched it yet, so no, okay, so everyone loves it.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that you mentioned that, because when I heard
Speaker 3: the premise, I thought the same thing. The premise is
Speaker 3: that these two seventy something comedians Martin Short Steve Martin
Speaker 3: act in a show about a true crime podcast moment Dick. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it just felt really silly. But the best way
Speaker 3: you can describe it is it's kind of like putting
Speaker 3: on your coziest, warmest orange jumper, okay, and sort of
Speaker 3: sipping a hot chop. It's polar fleece. It's polar fleece
Speaker 3: in a show. It's really cozy. It's set in a
Speaker 3: New York apartment building where it's always the autumn and
Speaker 3: the new season has Paul Rudd and Eva Longoria in it,
Speaker 3: and this will be interesting. There's an on screen romance
Speaker 3: between Martin Short and Meryl Streep and I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've seen the.
Speaker 2: Picks, something's going on there and he's.
Speaker 3: Going on in real life between those two.
Speaker 2: Yeap mark my words, they are together.
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Speaker 1: Now it's time for our best Worst of the week,
Speaker 1: which is the part of the show where we share
Speaker 1: a little more from our personal lives. Jesse, I'd like
Speaker 1: you to go first. What is your worst of the week?
Speaker 2: My worst was day one of our long weekend holiday
Speaker 2: so we went to the coast. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was up or down, but it was alonger road
Speaker 2: and we ended up.
Speaker 1: At the coast near the beach.
Speaker 2: Near the beach, Luca went up a day early, and
Speaker 2: then I went with Luna. Now I have a spreadsheet
Speaker 2: with or do you have this, Amelia for when you
Speaker 2: go away with the like with all the things.
Speaker 3: About of haphazard notes up here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I have an actual spreadsheet.
Speaker 1: Why does it need to be in a spreadsheet form?
Speaker 2: Because I need to make it green when I've packed it,
Speaker 2: and I need it not to disappear because all my
Speaker 2: other do you really just have a list, because then
Speaker 2: I would either cross it off or and then I
Speaker 2: would lose it. But I need to use it again
Speaker 2: and again every time we go away.
Speaker 1: Oh I see, you know what I mean. I get it.
Speaker 2: So I've got my spreadsheet of Luna sings.
Speaker 1: And have you ever seen this organized side of you before?
Speaker 2: It's because I have that mind issue where I can't
Speaker 2: visualize things. We've talked about it.
Speaker 1: On that do you know she's got that Amelia new
Speaker 1: out louder Is to the show. Jesse is different in
Speaker 1: her brain and if you say, imagine Luna. She can't
Speaker 1: picture face, do you?
Speaker 2: Okay? So if I say to you, Amelia, can you
Speaker 2: see an apple in your mind's eye? Can you see
Speaker 2: an apple?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't. So this is why I can't.
Speaker 1: What do you see?
Speaker 2: Nothing? The word apple?
Speaker 1: When I say Luna, what do you see?
Speaker 2: I can't see Luna's face. I know memory wise what
Speaker 2: her features and stuff are. Tonight I had to come
Speaker 2: to work and I had to pack an outfit for
Speaker 2: tonight because I have another event. It killed me because
Speaker 2: I can't see.
Speaker 1: The Oh that's why dressed is hard for you.
Speaker 2: It's called a fantasia.
Speaker 3: And did you get it like diagnosed?
Speaker 2: No, it is something that I read about once. Ande's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I have that just clear have it? No,
Speaker 2: she doesn't.
Speaker 3: But can I just ask what's your number one thing
Speaker 3: that you're terrified that you'll forget? Because for me, it
Speaker 3: used to be a white noise machine.
Speaker 2: For me, it's a dummy because she wouldn't sleep, like
Speaker 2: she needs a dummy to go to sleep, and so
Speaker 2: it's just all of those little things, or like we
Speaker 2: had a little portable high chair. What do you do
Speaker 2: if you don't have a high chair for a fifteen
Speaker 2: month old. So the car filled to the brim. We
Speaker 2: get there, we unpack everything, and Luna is shitty. She
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be there. She's whinging, she winges at
Speaker 2: meal times, she has to be held all the time. Terrible,
Speaker 2: terrible mood. And you start going as a te thing.
Speaker 2: Is she constipated?
Speaker 3: Is she?
Speaker 2: And then you go, there's been all this effort and
Speaker 2: we're there with a bunch of friends.
Speaker 1: Oh that's awful, and this is yeah. Everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe it's and you're just like, I just need to
Speaker 1: deal with it. It's worse if I have to also
Speaker 1: talk about it. Do you know?
Speaker 3: I have this weird thing where I don't like to
Speaker 3: socialize with my children because I can't multitask making sure
Speaker 3: and solving their problems and having a good conversation.
Speaker 1: I was very unsatisfying the one time that we socialized
Speaker 1: with your children, I didn't like it. They're very cute.
Speaker 2: It's really really hard because you also then have Luna
Speaker 2: can be very shy, so she gets shy around people,
Speaker 2: and then I feel guilty that she's not anywhere. It's hard.
Speaker 2: So day one total ride off and I just went
Speaker 2: all right, So this long weekend's going to be a
Speaker 2: slog It's going to be one of those holidays we
Speaker 2: look back on and go that was no fun. The
Speaker 2: next day we woke up and I had an angel.
Speaker 2: She was an absolute angel. This was my best is.
Speaker 2: She woke up a completely different baby. She had her
Speaker 2: book which Grandma Maya gave her is called This is
Speaker 2: the Houlor, and it is a Jewish book and she
Speaker 2: walks around reading it constantly. Can I just say my
Speaker 2: defense some context literature.
Speaker 1: About this is a horler. I didn't buy it. We
Speaker 1: were at a live there was a bookstore in Bondai,
Speaker 1: and next to it was like a pile of books
Speaker 1: that they were giving away, and there was a book
Speaker 1: called This is the Horla and Harla is a special
Speaker 1: bread that you have on a Friday night at your
Speaker 1: butt if you're Jewish and you want to. We sort
Speaker 1: of do that sometimes, and so we just thought it
Speaker 1: was a funny book to give her. And she's never
Speaker 1: put it down, fixate on certain things. She we just
Speaker 1: kind of gave it to you as a bit of
Speaker 1: a joke, and she's insided.
Speaker 2: The gate one Theror book she has thrown herself into
Speaker 2: her due daism more than anyone else in that family.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so she had the best. It was one
Speaker 2: of those days where she loved the rock pools and
Speaker 2: like the sun was out, and I just went, this
Speaker 2: is some sort of metaphor for parenting that like the
Speaker 2: worst day where you just go, I don't know how
Speaker 2: much more of that I can handle. The next day
Speaker 2: you wake up and you just like reasons and both
Speaker 2: were for no reason and can't be explained.
Speaker 3: I think Miat once said to me that babies have
Speaker 3: this hardwired, like evolutionary instinct. They know exactly how far
Speaker 3: they can push you before you'll throw them all out away.
Speaker 1: And then pull back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I can't have you wake up one more.
Speaker 3: It's a hard wired to survive and if they think
Speaker 3: they've pushed you too far, they dial it down.
Speaker 1: My worst of the week is I went out. I've
Speaker 1: been out for a couple of dinners this week, and
Speaker 1: at one of them it was a restaurant where they
Speaker 1: fill your glass up. And my nickname at school, not
Speaker 1: that I drank at school, but if I had drunk
Speaker 1: at school, my nickname would have been Cadbury because I
Speaker 1: was a glass and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, clearly this is non.
Speaker 1: Sponsored content because there's a glass and a half of
Speaker 1: milk in any So I'm a lightweight and that hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: I'm still a lightweight. So mostly I drink. If I'm drinking,
Speaker 1: it will be one glass usually and that's it. If
Speaker 1: it's a big night, I'll have two glasses. But two
Speaker 1: glasses is my absolute limit. But because glasses were filled up,
Speaker 1: it was quite a fancy restaurant.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I can't keep my I mean, I wasn't driving, luckily.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're driving, it's a nightmare.
Speaker 1: I wasn't driving, And you know how sometimes just alcohol
Speaker 1: hits different. So I didn't feel drunk at all, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't keep tracking. The wine tasted drilling, and I
Speaker 1: had a lovely night. But then the next morning I
Speaker 1: woke up with just such a headache. Do I hangovers
Speaker 1: get worse as you get older.
Speaker 2: I heard Zoe Foster Blake talking about this recently, and
Speaker 2: she said it's a perimenopause thing that apparently your tolerance
Speaker 2: for alcohol changes with your hormones or something.
Speaker 3: Anyway, have a Frida egg the next morning? How to
Speaker 3: deal with it.
Speaker 1: I can't remember just at all.
Speaker 2: You know, there is some research to suggest that a
Speaker 2: coal can, a coke does the job.
Speaker 1: Oh, so many brands I couldn't have had a know.
Speaker 2: How long I have wanted Coca Cola to sponsor my
Speaker 2: life and they won't. Coca color and Cadbury would be
Speaker 2: your aun And where are they?
Speaker 1: Good point?
Speaker 2: We give them too much free advertising.
Speaker 1: My best of the week was also a dinner which
Speaker 1: I had with some old friends that I made at
Speaker 1: my first job, which happened to beat Cleo Magazine. I
Speaker 1: mean it wasn't my first job. I was at Woolli's
Speaker 1: but didn't make many friends there. But at Cleo I
Speaker 1: was there for five years, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: women that I worked with there it was a kind
Speaker 1: of a heyday for Cleo in the very early nineties,
Speaker 1: including Lisa Wilkinson, Paula Joy, Deborah Thomas, nicoleb and Ithen.
Speaker 1: They have remained really close friends over all of those years,
Speaker 1: and that would have been Oh god, that's thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: and so we haven't seen each other for ages and
Speaker 1: ages and ages, and a lot's happened to all of us,
Speaker 1: both good and bad. Over the years, and so we
Speaker 1: organized a dinner that nobody canceled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one you wouldn't care.
Speaker 1: No, that was one that you really wouldn't cancel, Like
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have occurred to me, and you know all
Speaker 1: that stuff about I feel good when people cancel, not
Speaker 1: something like this, something like this is really special. So
Speaker 1: it was just lovely and it made me really think
Speaker 1: about I know there's a lot discussed about working from
Speaker 1: home and not working from home and how so many
Speaker 1: people like it, particularly young people, and I just really
Speaker 1: feel that they're missing out on a lot. I just
Speaker 1: made some of the most incredible friends from working in
Speaker 1: an office and people that you would never otherwise meet
Speaker 1: or get to know. And they're not all friends for life.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're just you know, a reason, a season, a lifetime.
Speaker 1: But there's something about all being in it together that's
Speaker 1: just very very bonding and reminiscing about those years. And
Speaker 1: it's no accident that we started this new group chat
Speaker 1: and been talking about the nineties Vogue documentary and all
Speaker 1: of that stuff that we lived through together. It was
Speaker 1: just really nice to catch up. Amelia. What was your
Speaker 1: worst of the week?
Speaker 3: So my worst is just a little thing, but it
Speaker 3: kind of rankled at me. It took me a long
Speaker 3: time to get back into exercise after I had two
Speaker 3: kids in quick succession, and then there was the pandemic.
Speaker 2: What's the age gap?
Speaker 3: Our two years? But then I discovered polarates. Now there
Speaker 3: is nothing more boring than someone talking about polarates, so
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. I want to talk
Speaker 3: about one particular moment with an instructor that I tried out,
Speaker 3: who was otherwise very lovely and knowledgeable, but it was
Speaker 3: a moment I found really jarring and which I think
Speaker 3: sort of speaks to how we should not be talking
Speaker 3: about our bodies. So she was talking me through a movement.
Speaker 3: She asked me to turn to the mirror to look
Speaker 3: at how I was doing it, and she prefaced it
Speaker 3: with something like, now I'm going to ask you to
Speaker 3: do something that I know we women hate to do,
Speaker 3: which is look at yourself in the mirror. And I
Speaker 3: was immediately kind of pulled out of this moment where
Speaker 3: I felt good about my body and what it was
Speaker 3: doing and accomplishing, and instead I felt like I was
Speaker 3: being told that I had to feel bad about the
Speaker 3: way I look.
Speaker 1: That speaks volumes about her, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's not how I feel. I mean, not
Speaker 3: that I love looking myself in the mirror, but I
Speaker 3: certainly don't hate it. And I just this is why,
Speaker 3: whenever I hear conversations where people are talking about diets
Speaker 3: or how they don't like some part of themselves, my
Speaker 3: little active resistance is trying not to participate in that
Speaker 3: and just do not even listen to it. And I
Speaker 3: resented the fact that I was in a situation where
Speaker 3: I couldn't really do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, because she sort of was in a
Speaker 1: power position over you in a way. Yeah, she's the instructor,
Speaker 1: so she says, look in the mirror. You can't say hey, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I grappled with the idea of mentioning it to the
Speaker 3: owner of the studio, and I think that was what
Speaker 3: you suggested to me. I ultimately decided not to because
Speaker 3: I didn't want to seem like I was daubing her
Speaker 3: in or anything. But it just meant that, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: didn't want her to be fired, to be clear, Sorry,
Speaker 3: but it.
Speaker 1: Was more just she wouldn't have even been aware that
Speaker 1: that was a thing, probably, and she would probably have
Speaker 1: been mortified exactly to realize what she'd been projecting onto you.
Speaker 1: She just internalized all those feelings.
Speaker 2: And it's getting so much better. But I completely agree
Speaker 2: that in most classes that I'm in, something slips through.
Speaker 2: Now it's all about summer yep, and it's all about
Speaker 2: swimsuits and go arms.
Speaker 3: That's another one I heard recently.
Speaker 2: You know who I find often of the worst the
Speaker 2: male instructors. The male instructors will say something about you know,
Speaker 2: you'll be doing a glued exercise and will be something
Speaker 2: about your bikini, and I'm like, that is just simply
Speaker 2: not why I'm here, and it sort of undermines the
Speaker 2: entire It really irks me. And I felt the same,
Speaker 2: like maybe I should say something as I leave, because I.
Speaker 1: Know this sounds like a shameless plug, which it is.
Speaker 1: But that's why we develop move the app, because it's
Speaker 1: like so much of exercise culture is about feel the
Speaker 1: burn and burning the calories and you can have dessert
Speaker 1: tonight if you do this, or you know you ate
Speaker 1: that cookie, you better work, har and we just wanted,
Speaker 1: you know, exercise that was completely free of that. It's
Speaker 1: not even body shaming, although sometimes it is, but even
Speaker 1: just body consciousness, you're doing it for.
Speaker 3: Different You want body neutrality when you're working out, and
Speaker 3: you want to decenter that male gaze. So that was
Speaker 3: a little bit of a downer. But the best is
Speaker 3: I want to say something controversial. I have noticed since
Speaker 3: moving here that Halloween gets a really bad rap.
Speaker 2: It does people.
Speaker 3: Complain about it being American. Well, I'm here to tell
Speaker 3: you that sometimes Americans have good ideas. It is my
Speaker 3: favorite holiday for many years in the US. And here's why.
Speaker 3: It is non religious. You have almost no emotional physical
Speaker 3: labor required as a parent. You basically just need to
Speaker 3: buy some fun sized chocolate bars. You don't need to
Speaker 3: cook an elaborate meal. You don't need to worry about costumes.
Speaker 3: The costumes are easy though you can put a sheet
Speaker 3: on someone. It's really not about the costumes. I find
Speaker 3: that more. It's like the older kids and maybe the
Speaker 3: young adults who get really into the costumes. But little
Speaker 3: kids honestly don't care if you just put a sheet
Speaker 3: on them and call them a ghost. And I think,
Speaker 3: what's really much on them?
Speaker 1: Anyway? It's going to stand in the corner from quiet
Speaker 1: for a bit.
Speaker 3: What I think is missing from the Halloween discussion here
Speaker 3: is that it's a community building exercise. The idea is
Speaker 3: that kids walk around the neighborhood and you talk to
Speaker 3: people who open their doors and give your kids lollies
Speaker 3: or chocolates, and you get to know them a little bit.
Speaker 3: And the kids are really excited because there's that little
Speaker 3: bit of fear in the mix as well. So what
Speaker 3: I did this weekend that was just really joyous is
Speaker 3: we went to Kmart and we stocked up big on
Speaker 3: some Halloween decorations. I got a tombstone that said I
Speaker 3: need a coffin.
Speaker 2: Break love it, Love It.
Speaker 3: Got a rat with glowing red eyes which I put
Speaker 3: outside our apartment, which I bet the people trying to
Speaker 3: sell their apartment upstairs are going to love that.
Speaker 1: It's kind of early to be getting into the Halloween.
Speaker 3: It's never too I thought it was like a.
Speaker 1: Week or two in advance.
Speaker 2: I agree with the mayor it fields early, but America's.
Speaker 3: Actually My son literally said to me, is this not
Speaker 3: too early? And I said, you're six, you know nothing.
Speaker 1: It's Australian deep inside. That is all we have time
Speaker 1: for today because we've got to go out and buy
Speaker 1: our Halloween decorations. You weird.
Speaker 2: I'm going to address Luner up and I saw an idea
Speaker 2: on Instagram which was to dress her as moodng.
Speaker 1: That's really so good. I love moved bouncy Pork. A
Speaker 1: big thank you to all of you the out louders
Speaker 1: for listening to today's show. If anyone still is, we'll
Speaker 1: be back in your ears next week. But also before
Speaker 1: we go, a big thank you to our team, Executive
Speaker 1: producer Ruth Devine, who loves it when plans are canceled
Speaker 1: and has zero shame about doing it herself. Senior producer
Speaker 1: Emmeline Gazillas, who hates letting people down, so we'll only
Speaker 1: commit if she's one hundred percent sure about the plan.
Speaker 1: And our audio producer is Leah Porges, who's secretly relieved
Speaker 1: when she gets canceled on, as well as our social
Speaker 1: media producer Isabelle Dolphin, who says yes to everything, but
Speaker 1: if she's not living it, calls in sick.
Speaker 2: Bye bye.
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