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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Maya acknowledges

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Speaker 1: is recorded on Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out

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Speaker 1: Loud and to our Friday show where we take a

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Speaker 1: break from the news cycle and breathe out but not

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Speaker 1: with our mouths open. If we recently ate something with garlic.

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Speaker 1: Today's Friday, October the eleventh, and I'm Meya Friedman.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jesse Stevens. And guess who where joined by today?

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Speaker 1: Not Holly, not Holly.

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Speaker 2: It's me the Esteemed, So we have to say now

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Speaker 2: esteemed Amelia Lester.

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Speaker 3: It does say in the script not to do that

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Speaker 3: joke anymore, but.

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Speaker 1: I wrote that, but let's go with her was looking

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Speaker 1: and yet here we are. But on the show today,

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Speaker 1: have you noticed everyone's counseling plans from dinners to meetings?

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Speaker 1: What is behind our inability to commit? Why does it

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Speaker 1: feel so so good? Plus a life changing wardrob pack

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Speaker 1: and some good things to read and watch over your

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Speaker 1: weekend and a much needed tip for elder millennials. It's

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Speaker 1: our recommendations, and we wrap up the week with our

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Speaker 1: best and Worst, which includes Spooky Season a surprising hangover

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Speaker 1: in the scoop from a long weekend.

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Speaker 2: But first, in case you missed it, allow me to

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Speaker 2: introduce you to October theory, the reason you might have

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Speaker 2: noticed an energy shift lately. October theory states that the

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Speaker 2: beginning of October is almost like a new year. A

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Speaker 2: viral TikTok video by Chloe von Berkel explains that this

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Speaker 2: is the time when everyone realizes there are only three

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Speaker 2: months left of the year, and there are a lot

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Speaker 4: Because of that, this is a time when a lot

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Speaker 4: of people are going to be making a lot of

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Speaker 4: big life changes and a lot of major LFE decisions,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of just like canon events will be

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Speaker 2: But wait, there's more, Because apparently if you go through

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Speaker 2: your camera roll and type in the word October and

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Speaker 2: you examine your parts October's, then big things happen. It's

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Speaker 2: a month of enormous change. So October is also meant

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Speaker 2: to signal something called cuffing season, which means that breakups happen,

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Speaker 2: new relationships are booming, lots happens with work ladies, Are

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Speaker 2: we feeling the vibe shift? There's only eighty one days

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Speaker 1: What is cuffing mean?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Something to do with relationships. Oh, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I was on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've definitely noticed a vibe shift. But my birthday

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Speaker 1: funnily enough not to bring this back to me. But

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Speaker 1: is October one? So my birth actually kicks off new year.

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Speaker 1: Some would say the new year, well just beginning of

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Speaker 1: time really, so what I feel about October? I know

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Speaker 1: very little about horses. I've only ridden them a couple

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Speaker 1: how to ride a horse. And I was going to

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Speaker 1: it's like I've mangled that. But sometimes horses go out

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Speaker 1: of control when you point them to home. No one

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Speaker 1: knows anything what I feel. What I feel like is

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Speaker 1: We gallop and then it starts running fast. I have

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Speaker 1: a less tortured analogy. How how could you have a

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Speaker 3: I find this time of year stressful because you know

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Speaker 3: what time of year it is. It's let's catch up

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Speaker 1: The good news is that it's also the time in

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Speaker 2: Have you found that there's a renewed like your goals

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Speaker 1: I was going to say. This is usually out loud,

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Speaker 3: On Oh gosh, well, I haven't. I made a big

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Speaker 3: Australia after nearly twenty years away. That's not an answer

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Speaker 1: Your word of the year has been utilities, and yours

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Speaker 3: We are.

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I was in Melbourne and

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Speaker 1: any chance? And she's like, yep, I'll make it work.

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Speaker 1: We made a plan and then I had to cancel

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, you know yes.

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Speaker 1: And it made me think of a story that was

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Speaker 1: hugely popular this week on Mamma Mia called the Rise

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Speaker 1: of the last minute cancelor and why all your friends

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Speaker 1: are doing it. It's a piece written for Mamma Maya

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Speaker 1: by Beck Day, and she wrote, bailing on plans was

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Speaker 1: plans is an intoxicating elixa, and our generation is drunk

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Speaker 1: on it. She also talks about how in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: a person called Maddie Kahan wrote this tweet that went viral,

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Speaker 1: and the tweet was the app is called You're Canceled.

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Speaker 1: When you've made plans and you wish you could cancel,

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Speaker 1: you go into the app and press a little button.

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Speaker 1: If the other person presses theirs too, congratulations, confetti explodes

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Speaker 1: and your plans are canceled. If you press yours but

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Speaker 1: It got hundreds of thousands of likes and it was

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Speaker 3: And I want to push back a little bit against

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Speaker 3: the idea that we're all secret counselors and suggests that

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Speaker 3: for people who have little kids, we don't like canceling

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Speaker 3: because we hired a babysitter three weeks ago. That's so

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Speaker 3: there's a certain group that does not want to cancel.

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Speaker 3: And when you canceled on me recently for dinner, let's

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Speaker 3: just say I started a voodoo doll.

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Speaker 1: Hah. Can I just say you canceled on me that

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Speaker 1: same arrangement two weeks before for reasons because of your

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Speaker 2: There is something interesting there, right, because there are some

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Speaker 2: plans that feel less sticky, right, that feel like they're

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Speaker 2: not really set in stone. I kind of had a

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Speaker 2: He was relieved. It was great that's so true. It's

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Speaker 2: Whereas I've had instances lately where I have had a

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Speaker 2: Maybe things have been hard, and that Friday night seven

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Speaker 2: they canceled. And a few times I've wondered if it's

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Speaker 2: so flexible with plans, and I find that things are

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Speaker 2: Which I think is maybe a COVID hangover. I still

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Speaker 1: but if they have left already. Now you can sort

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Speaker 1: of cancel up until an hour before and people do do.

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Speaker 2: You think that's appropriate now before? Because I've really had it.

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Speaker 2: I've probably had the shower you just.

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Speaker 3: Invoked for me a muscle memory of when I was

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Speaker 3: Technology has made it easier to cancel than ever before.

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Speaker 3: But Mia, do you secretly like cancel plans or is

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Speaker 1: Like? Oh, I love it more than you love that,

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Speaker 1: because I think what Sale said was exactly right. There's

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Speaker 1: I love it. Not to say I wasn't happy when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on the season. There are seasons when

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Speaker 2: We're in that stage where it's like this was the

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Speaker 1: I think a big problem with cancelation for me is

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Speaker 1: They're these little things that are like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: of heartwarming read.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love that.

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Speaker 3: What is not heartwarming but really interesting. Have you watched

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Speaker 3: Australian's Story, the three part series about Lochlan Murdock.

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Speaker 2: Everyone has told me I need to love this so good.

441
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Speaker 3: My hairdresser told me that it's literally all anyone wants

442
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Speaker 3: to talk about me.

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Speaker 5: Really, everyone sort of likes the idea of a soap

444
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Speaker 5: opera and the reality is really not that we actually

445
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Speaker 5: are a very close family.

446
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Speaker 3: I love my brothers, I love my sisters.

447
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Speaker 1: We're normal family.

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Speaker 5: We just have a bit of a spotlight on.

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Speaker 6: I think that all of Murdoch's children, their stories are

450
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Speaker 6: about proving themselves to their father. Lachlan's story is the

451
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Speaker 6: happiest story. All Lachlan had to do to prove himself

452
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Speaker 6: to his father was to be Lachlin, to be adoring,

453
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Speaker 6: to see the world the same way Rupert did. That

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Speaker 6: was Lachlan's face in the Hall in the Succession Fate.

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Speaker 3: So obviously we all know who Rupert Murdock is, but

456
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Speaker 3: I love following his personal life.

457
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Speaker 2: I always have.

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Speaker 3: For instance, my personal Roman Empire is the fact that

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Speaker 3: when Rupert Murdoch broke up with Jerry Hall, as you remember,

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Speaker 3: it happened so suddenly and so out of the blue

461
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Speaker 3: that she had to call her ex Mick Jagger to

462
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Speaker 3: help her pack up and leave Rupert's mansion because he

463
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Speaker 3: said get out.

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Speaker 2: Oh well I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Well you know what Mick had to do. He had

466
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Speaker 1: to come and remove all the CCTV cameras and de

467
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Speaker 1: security it.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because he knows a few things about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So is dumb question? Is Lachlan the heir?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so Lachlan's the favorite son and he's going to

472
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Speaker 3: inherit Rupert's media empire, so he's he's from me, that's

473
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Speaker 3: from secession. The problem is that Lachlan's siblings, Elizabeth and James,

474
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Speaker 3: appear to hate both Lachlan and this plan, so they

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Speaker 3: are currently has many siblings.

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Speaker 1: He's also got an older sister, Prue, by Rupert's first marriage,

477
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Speaker 1: and two younger sisters by Wendy Deng. Yes, but they're

478
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Speaker 1: not part of the trust, so it was essentially left

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Speaker 1: to the four eldest Murdoch children. When he got divorced

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Speaker 1: from Lachlan, James and Elizabeth's mother, Anna Murdoch, she made

481
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Speaker 1: sure that the trust gave all four of them, including Prue,

482
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Speaker 1: who is a stepdaughter, an equal share, and when the

483
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Speaker 1: new ones came along, they don't get voting rights. They

484
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Speaker 1: get a share, but they don't get voting rights. And

485
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Speaker 1: so what's interesting now is after he's just married for

486
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Speaker 1: the fifth time at the age of ninety three, there's

487
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Speaker 1: been a court case going on recently where Rupert Murdoch

488
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Speaker 1: has argued that only Lachlan should get to decide what

489
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Speaker 1: happens to the company and not the others, because he

490
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Speaker 1: says that the others, who are famously less conservative than Lachlan,

491
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Speaker 1: who's said to be more right wing than Rupert, that

492
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Speaker 1: they'll destroy Fox News because they might either take it

493
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Speaker 1: further to the left or make it more moderate, or

494
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Speaker 1: make it, I don't know, stop saying the things that

495
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Speaker 1: it does. And so he's essentially gone to court to

496
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Speaker 1: argue that three of his children are incapable of running

497
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Speaker 1: the business and will lose all the value of the company,

498
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Speaker 1: and that Lachlan has to be the only one and

499
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Speaker 1: so the three elder than the united in fighting. It's

500
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Speaker 1: Lachlan and Rupert against the other three siblings.

501
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Speaker 2: It's Extrame's what the Australian story is about.

502
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Speaker 1: The end part of it is, Yeah, that's kind of

503
00:24:49,367 --> 00:24:51,127
Speaker 1: runs all the way through, and that court case hasn't

504
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Speaker 1: been decided yet, but it's with the backdrop of all

505
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Speaker 1: of that, and James Packer speaks about Lachlan and there's

506
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Speaker 1: like old interview footage of Lachlan. I've taken over your recommendation.

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Speaker 3: No, it's great. James Tracker was a highlight for me

508
00:25:01,727 --> 00:25:04,807
Speaker 3: because Lachlan doesn't speak, but he and James are closed

509
00:25:04,847 --> 00:25:06,327
Speaker 3: and you have to assume that he gave the green

510
00:25:06,407 --> 00:25:09,807
Speaker 3: light to it. James comes across as very vulnerable, honest

511
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Speaker 3: about their failed business ventures together.

512
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Speaker 1: So that's on IVIEWBCA iView if you want to watch that.

513
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Speaker 3: It's three parts. It's so fascinating. Okay, the next one

514
00:25:18,207 --> 00:25:21,367
Speaker 3: is more prosaic. It's a recommendation for all my elder

515
00:25:21,447 --> 00:25:24,527
Speaker 3: millennials out there. This term was coined, of course, by

516
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Speaker 3: comedian Eliza Schlessinger. I can never I like your stand up.

517
00:25:28,967 --> 00:25:31,247
Speaker 3: She does good stand up. Yeah, and she, like me,

518
00:25:31,447 --> 00:25:33,767
Speaker 3: was born in the early to mid eighties. Okay, So

519
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Speaker 3: for all of us who meet that criteria, I have

520
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Speaker 3: some bad news, which is scientists have discovered that as

521
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Speaker 3: your face ages, you lose contrast. Did you know this?

522
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Speaker 1: I did know this because I'm a gen X and

523
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Speaker 1: my eyebrows disappeared. Have you seen my drivers?

524
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Speaker 2: What do you mean by you lose contract?

525
00:25:50,047 --> 00:25:53,087
Speaker 3: So your lips, eyes, and your eyebrows get paler, and

526
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Speaker 3: then surrounding skin gets darker, and so the result is

527
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Speaker 3: just a wash of pale.

528
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Speaker 1: What about your nipples, Well, you could put some lippy

529
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Speaker 1: on them. I suppose this is why makeup wasn't so

530
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Speaker 1: lavier changes color. There you go, Friday, it's another recommendation.

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Speaker 3: Make tap was invented to make us literally look younger

532
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Speaker 3: by adding color to our face. So applying this logic,

533
00:26:14,687 --> 00:26:16,807
Speaker 3: I gave my brows some love for the first time

534
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Speaker 3: in many years, and I got a brow tint. And

535
00:26:19,447 --> 00:26:21,727
Speaker 3: I'd always been scared of them because I do have

536
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Speaker 3: pale features, and I thought I'd look like John Howard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think that I do. You joine

538
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Speaker 1: it all? So we have someone who comes into them

539
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Speaker 1: a mer office pretty often these days, because there's so

540
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Speaker 1: many people who want to get their brows done, and

541
00:26:33,327 --> 00:26:35,927
Speaker 1: everyone gets their brows done, and it's such a used

542
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Speaker 1: to happen in the kitchen, and so to be sitting

543
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Speaker 1: there with their brows done, yea, I do right at home? Yeah,

544
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Speaker 1: what a chemist kit.

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Speaker 2: I would say it's particularly good about your eyebrows, Amelia,

546
00:26:45,007 --> 00:26:46,567
Speaker 2: is that what you have gone for is a cooler

547
00:26:46,647 --> 00:26:49,367
Speaker 2: home and it really suits your features. So when mine

548
00:26:49,367 --> 00:26:52,127
Speaker 2: has gone wrong is they've they've done quite a warm

549
00:26:52,207 --> 00:26:55,847
Speaker 2: blonde and it almost can go a little bit orange

550
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Speaker 2: or something that doesn't work. And now they do a

551
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Speaker 2: little And when I do it at home, I do

552
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Speaker 2: a brown, and I do just a little bit of

553
00:27:01,327 --> 00:27:02,567
Speaker 2: black and it cools the hole.

554
00:27:02,847 --> 00:27:04,487
Speaker 1: So that's a very good point. I think you could

555
00:27:04,487 --> 00:27:07,007
Speaker 1: go a little darker. Yeah, I do. And as you

556
00:27:07,087 --> 00:27:09,047
Speaker 1: know what else I've been doing. I've got a product

557
00:27:09,087 --> 00:27:11,607
Speaker 1: that I bought I think two faces. It's called fluff

558
00:27:11,607 --> 00:27:14,407
Speaker 1: and hold. It's like a because I have never done

559
00:27:14,407 --> 00:27:17,327
Speaker 1: the laminating thing that feels I think it's over so

560
00:27:17,487 --> 00:27:20,527
Speaker 1: but you can sort of brush them up. Yeah, I've

561
00:27:20,527 --> 00:27:23,367
Speaker 1: had to do a lot more eyebrown maintenance as I've

562
00:27:23,407 --> 00:27:26,607
Speaker 1: got older. I did think about having like tattooing yep

563
00:27:26,767 --> 00:27:28,407
Speaker 1: or something, or a transfer.

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00:27:28,447 --> 00:27:29,327
Speaker 3: I'm not quite ready.

565
00:27:29,407 --> 00:27:31,767
Speaker 1: I can't be bothered a transplant. Yeah, you can have

566
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Speaker 1: a transplant.

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Speaker 3: Wow. The Wonders of Modern Science. Final recommendation only murders

568
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Speaker 3: in the building.

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Speaker 1: Or only murders in the building. I'm Charles Hay.

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Speaker 2: What the hell didn't Savage? You can just splice that

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Speaker 2: onto the Charles Hay.

572
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll get out the splicer Hollywood studio.

573
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Speaker 3: I wanted to make a movie of our podcast.

574
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Speaker 1: The script is amazing.

575
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Speaker 6: Oliver flits around the room, accepted genarian Peter Pan or

576
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Speaker 6: a male tinker Bell.

577
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Speaker 2: I do not walk that way again. This is one

578
00:28:05,887 --> 00:28:07,807
Speaker 2: that I have heard so much about and I haven't

579
00:28:07,807 --> 00:28:11,367
Speaker 2: watched it yet, so no, okay, so everyone loves it.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that you mentioned that, because when I heard

581
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Speaker 3: the premise, I thought the same thing. The premise is

582
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Speaker 3: that these two seventy something comedians Martin Short Steve Martin

583
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Speaker 3: act in a show about a true crime podcast moment Dick. Yeah,

584
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Speaker 3: and it just felt really silly. But the best way

585
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Speaker 3: you can describe it is it's kind of like putting

586
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Speaker 3: on your coziest, warmest orange jumper, okay, and sort of

587
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Speaker 3: sipping a hot chop. It's polar fleece. It's polar fleece

588
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Speaker 3: in a show. It's really cozy. It's set in a

589
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Speaker 3: New York apartment building where it's always the autumn and

590
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Speaker 3: the new season has Paul Rudd and Eva Longoria in it,

591
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Speaker 3: and this will be interesting. There's an on screen romance

592
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Speaker 3: between Martin Short and Meryl Streep and I don't know

593
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Speaker 3: if you've seen the.

594
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Speaker 2: Picks, something's going on there and he's.

595
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Speaker 3: Going on in real life between those two.

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Speaker 2: Yeap mark my words, they are together.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time for our best Worst of the week,

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Speaker 1: which is the part of the show where we share

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Speaker 1: a little more from our personal lives. Jesse, I'd like

611
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Speaker 1: you to go first. What is your worst of the week?

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Speaker 2: My worst was day one of our long weekend holiday

613
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Speaker 2: so we went to the coast. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it was up or down, but it was alonger road

615
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Speaker 2: and we ended up.

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Speaker 1: At the coast near the beach.

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Speaker 2: Near the beach, Luca went up a day early, and

618
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Speaker 2: then I went with Luna. Now I have a spreadsheet

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Speaker 2: with or do you have this, Amelia for when you

620
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Speaker 2: go away with the like with all the things.

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Speaker 3: About of haphazard notes up here?

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00:30:16,967 --> 00:30:18,887
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I have an actual spreadsheet.

623
00:30:19,007 --> 00:30:20,847
Speaker 1: Why does it need to be in a spreadsheet form?

624
00:30:20,927 --> 00:30:23,487
Speaker 2: Because I need to make it green when I've packed it,

625
00:30:23,767 --> 00:30:25,687
Speaker 2: and I need it not to disappear because all my

626
00:30:25,767 --> 00:30:28,847
Speaker 2: other do you really just have a list, because then

627
00:30:28,887 --> 00:30:30,207
Speaker 2: I would either cross it off or and then I

628
00:30:30,247 --> 00:30:32,247
Speaker 2: would lose it. But I need to use it again

629
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Speaker 2: and again every time we go away.

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Speaker 1: Oh I see, you know what I mean. I get it.

631
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Speaker 2: So I've got my spreadsheet of Luna sings.

632
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Speaker 1: And have you ever seen this organized side of you before?

633
00:30:40,647 --> 00:30:42,847
Speaker 2: It's because I have that mind issue where I can't

634
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Speaker 2: visualize things. We've talked about it.

635
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Speaker 1: On that do you know she's got that Amelia new

636
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Speaker 1: out louder Is to the show. Jesse is different in

637
00:30:51,047 --> 00:30:55,927
Speaker 1: her brain and if you say, imagine Luna. She can't

638
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Speaker 1: picture face, do you?

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00:30:57,447 --> 00:30:59,647
Speaker 2: Okay? So if I say to you, Amelia, can you

640
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Speaker 2: see an apple in your mind's eye? Can you see

641
00:31:01,487 --> 00:31:01,887
Speaker 2: an apple?

642
00:31:01,967 --> 00:31:02,167
Speaker 3: Yeah?

643
00:31:02,247 --> 00:31:04,207
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't. So this is why I can't.

644
00:31:04,247 --> 00:31:04,967
Speaker 1: What do you see?

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00:31:05,087 --> 00:31:06,167
Speaker 2: Nothing? The word apple?

646
00:31:06,247 --> 00:31:07,847
Speaker 1: When I say Luna, what do you see?

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00:31:08,087 --> 00:31:10,887
Speaker 2: I can't see Luna's face. I know memory wise what

648
00:31:10,927 --> 00:31:13,327
Speaker 2: her features and stuff are. Tonight I had to come

649
00:31:13,367 --> 00:31:14,847
Speaker 2: to work and I had to pack an outfit for

650
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Speaker 2: tonight because I have another event. It killed me because

651
00:31:17,367 --> 00:31:18,327
Speaker 2: I can't see.

652
00:31:18,247 --> 00:31:20,967
Speaker 1: The Oh that's why dressed is hard for you.

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Speaker 2: It's called a fantasia.

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Speaker 3: And did you get it like diagnosed?

655
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Speaker 2: No, it is something that I read about once. Ande's like,

656
00:31:27,527 --> 00:31:29,487
Speaker 2: oh my god, I have that just clear have it? No,

657
00:31:29,567 --> 00:31:29,967
Speaker 2: she doesn't.

658
00:31:30,407 --> 00:31:32,847
Speaker 3: But can I just ask what's your number one thing

659
00:31:32,927 --> 00:31:35,127
Speaker 3: that you're terrified that you'll forget? Because for me, it

660
00:31:35,247 --> 00:31:37,007
Speaker 3: used to be a white noise machine.

661
00:31:37,327 --> 00:31:40,007
Speaker 2: For me, it's a dummy because she wouldn't sleep, like

662
00:31:40,167 --> 00:31:41,927
Speaker 2: she needs a dummy to go to sleep, and so

663
00:31:42,007 --> 00:31:44,487
Speaker 2: it's just all of those little things, or like we

664
00:31:44,567 --> 00:31:46,247
Speaker 2: had a little portable high chair. What do you do

665
00:31:46,287 --> 00:31:47,527
Speaker 2: if you don't have a high chair for a fifteen

666
00:31:47,527 --> 00:31:49,967
Speaker 2: month old. So the car filled to the brim. We

667
00:31:50,087 --> 00:31:53,567
Speaker 2: get there, we unpack everything, and Luna is shitty. She

668
00:31:53,567 --> 00:31:56,367
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be there. She's whinging, she winges at

669
00:31:56,407 --> 00:31:59,447
Speaker 2: meal times, she has to be held all the time. Terrible,

670
00:31:59,527 --> 00:32:01,607
Speaker 2: terrible mood. And you start going as a te thing.

671
00:32:01,647 --> 00:32:02,487
Speaker 2: Is she constipated?

672
00:32:02,607 --> 00:32:02,767
Speaker 3: Is she?

673
00:32:03,287 --> 00:32:05,407
Speaker 2: And then you go, there's been all this effort and

674
00:32:05,407 --> 00:32:06,527
Speaker 2: we're there with a bunch of friends.

675
00:32:06,607 --> 00:32:10,127
Speaker 1: Oh that's awful, and this is yeah. Everyone's like, oh,

676
00:32:10,167 --> 00:32:11,887
Speaker 1: maybe it's and you're just like, I just need to

677
00:32:11,887 --> 00:32:13,687
Speaker 1: deal with it. It's worse if I have to also

678
00:32:13,767 --> 00:32:14,647
Speaker 1: talk about it. Do you know?

679
00:32:14,687 --> 00:32:16,647
Speaker 3: I have this weird thing where I don't like to

680
00:32:16,727 --> 00:32:21,727
Speaker 3: socialize with my children because I can't multitask making sure

681
00:32:22,047 --> 00:32:24,487
Speaker 3: and solving their problems and having a good conversation.

682
00:32:24,607 --> 00:32:27,287
Speaker 1: I was very unsatisfying the one time that we socialized

683
00:32:27,327 --> 00:32:30,287
Speaker 1: with your children, I didn't like it. They're very cute.

684
00:32:30,567 --> 00:32:33,207
Speaker 2: It's really really hard because you also then have Luna

685
00:32:33,207 --> 00:32:35,287
Speaker 2: can be very shy, so she gets shy around people,

686
00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:37,647
Speaker 2: and then I feel guilty that she's not anywhere. It's hard.

687
00:32:38,047 --> 00:32:40,727
Speaker 2: So day one total ride off and I just went

688
00:32:40,767 --> 00:32:42,287
Speaker 2: all right, So this long weekend's going to be a

689
00:32:42,287 --> 00:32:43,727
Speaker 2: slog It's going to be one of those holidays we

690
00:32:43,727 --> 00:32:46,607
Speaker 2: look back on and go that was no fun. The

691
00:32:46,647 --> 00:32:50,047
Speaker 2: next day we woke up and I had an angel.

692
00:32:50,247 --> 00:32:52,247
Speaker 2: She was an absolute angel. This was my best is.

693
00:32:52,287 --> 00:32:54,607
Speaker 2: She woke up a completely different baby. She had her

694
00:32:54,607 --> 00:32:56,927
Speaker 2: book which Grandma Maya gave her is called This is

695
00:32:56,967 --> 00:32:59,207
Speaker 2: the Houlor, and it is a Jewish book and she

696
00:32:59,287 --> 00:33:02,767
Speaker 2: walks around reading it constantly. Can I just say my

697
00:33:02,927 --> 00:33:07,047
Speaker 2: defense some context literature.

698
00:33:06,607 --> 00:33:08,207
Speaker 1: About this is a horler. I didn't buy it. We

699
00:33:08,207 --> 00:33:11,287
Speaker 1: were at a live there was a bookstore in Bondai,

700
00:33:11,407 --> 00:33:13,047
Speaker 1: and next to it was like a pile of books

701
00:33:13,047 --> 00:33:15,447
Speaker 1: that they were giving away, and there was a book

702
00:33:15,447 --> 00:33:17,567
Speaker 1: called This is the Horla and Harla is a special

703
00:33:17,567 --> 00:33:19,087
Speaker 1: bread that you have on a Friday night at your

704
00:33:19,127 --> 00:33:21,327
Speaker 1: butt if you're Jewish and you want to. We sort

705
00:33:21,367 --> 00:33:23,167
Speaker 1: of do that sometimes, and so we just thought it

706
00:33:23,207 --> 00:33:25,847
Speaker 1: was a funny book to give her. And she's never

707
00:33:25,887 --> 00:33:28,727
Speaker 1: put it down, fixate on certain things. She we just

708
00:33:28,807 --> 00:33:29,847
Speaker 1: kind of gave it to you as a bit of

709
00:33:29,847 --> 00:33:31,647
Speaker 1: a joke, and she's insided.

710
00:33:31,167 --> 00:33:34,687
Speaker 2: The gate one Theror book she has thrown herself into

711
00:33:34,687 --> 00:33:36,847
Speaker 2: her due daism more than anyone else in that family.

712
00:33:37,007 --> 00:33:39,567
Speaker 2: But anyway, so she had the best. It was one

713
00:33:39,607 --> 00:33:42,207
Speaker 2: of those days where she loved the rock pools and

714
00:33:42,287 --> 00:33:45,047
Speaker 2: like the sun was out, and I just went, this

715
00:33:45,127 --> 00:33:48,127
Speaker 2: is some sort of metaphor for parenting that like the

716
00:33:48,127 --> 00:33:50,167
Speaker 2: worst day where you just go, I don't know how

717
00:33:50,207 --> 00:33:52,287
Speaker 2: much more of that I can handle. The next day

718
00:33:52,327 --> 00:33:55,287
Speaker 2: you wake up and you just like reasons and both

719
00:33:55,327 --> 00:33:57,207
Speaker 2: were for no reason and can't be explained.

720
00:33:57,447 --> 00:33:59,927
Speaker 3: I think Miat once said to me that babies have

721
00:34:00,047 --> 00:34:03,807
Speaker 3: this hardwired, like evolutionary instinct. They know exactly how far

722
00:34:03,847 --> 00:34:06,727
Speaker 3: they can push you before you'll throw them all out away.

723
00:34:06,607 --> 00:34:09,447
Speaker 1: And then pull back.

724
00:34:09,647 --> 00:34:11,527
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I can't have you wake up one more.

725
00:34:11,567 --> 00:34:13,487
Speaker 3: It's a hard wired to survive and if they think

726
00:34:13,487 --> 00:34:15,487
Speaker 3: they've pushed you too far, they dial it down.

727
00:34:16,487 --> 00:34:19,327
Speaker 1: My worst of the week is I went out. I've

728
00:34:19,367 --> 00:34:21,487
Speaker 1: been out for a couple of dinners this week, and

729
00:34:21,927 --> 00:34:24,087
Speaker 1: at one of them it was a restaurant where they

730
00:34:24,247 --> 00:34:27,967
Speaker 1: fill your glass up. And my nickname at school, not

731
00:34:28,047 --> 00:34:29,807
Speaker 1: that I drank at school, but if I had drunk

732
00:34:29,807 --> 00:34:33,247
Speaker 1: at school, my nickname would have been Cadbury because I

733
00:34:33,327 --> 00:34:34,287
Speaker 1: was a glass and a half.

734
00:34:34,767 --> 00:34:36,767
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, clearly this is non.

735
00:34:36,567 --> 00:34:39,127
Speaker 1: Sponsored content because there's a glass and a half of

736
00:34:39,167 --> 00:34:43,847
Speaker 1: milk in any So I'm a lightweight and that hasn't changed.

737
00:34:43,847 --> 00:34:46,727
Speaker 1: I'm still a lightweight. So mostly I drink. If I'm drinking,

738
00:34:46,767 --> 00:34:49,887
Speaker 1: it will be one glass usually and that's it. If

739
00:34:49,967 --> 00:34:52,207
Speaker 1: it's a big night, I'll have two glasses. But two

740
00:34:52,207 --> 00:34:56,287
Speaker 1: glasses is my absolute limit. But because glasses were filled up,

741
00:34:56,287 --> 00:34:57,487
Speaker 1: it was quite a fancy restaurant.

742
00:34:57,527 --> 00:34:58,207
Speaker 2: I don't like that.

743
00:34:58,327 --> 00:35:00,647
Speaker 1: I can't keep my I mean, I wasn't driving, luckily.

744
00:35:01,007 --> 00:35:02,367
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're driving, it's a nightmare.

745
00:35:02,407 --> 00:35:04,487
Speaker 1: I wasn't driving, And you know how sometimes just alcohol

746
00:35:04,527 --> 00:35:07,527
Speaker 1: hits different. So I didn't feel drunk at all, and

747
00:35:07,527 --> 00:35:09,527
Speaker 1: I couldn't keep tracking. The wine tasted drilling, and I

748
00:35:09,527 --> 00:35:12,007
Speaker 1: had a lovely night. But then the next morning I

749
00:35:12,047 --> 00:35:15,047
Speaker 1: woke up with just such a headache. Do I hangovers

750
00:35:15,087 --> 00:35:16,327
Speaker 1: get worse as you get older.

751
00:35:16,447 --> 00:35:19,007
Speaker 2: I heard Zoe Foster Blake talking about this recently, and

752
00:35:19,047 --> 00:35:22,287
Speaker 2: she said it's a perimenopause thing that apparently your tolerance

753
00:35:22,287 --> 00:35:24,287
Speaker 2: for alcohol changes with your hormones or something.

754
00:35:25,127 --> 00:35:27,727
Speaker 3: Anyway, have a Frida egg the next morning? How to

755
00:35:27,807 --> 00:35:28,327
Speaker 3: deal with it.

756
00:35:28,647 --> 00:35:30,127
Speaker 1: I can't remember just at all.

757
00:35:30,327 --> 00:35:32,687
Speaker 2: You know, there is some research to suggest that a

758
00:35:32,767 --> 00:35:34,487
Speaker 2: coal can, a coke does the job.

759
00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:38,047
Speaker 1: Oh, so many brands I couldn't have had a know.

760
00:35:38,127 --> 00:35:41,047
Speaker 2: How long I have wanted Coca Cola to sponsor my

761
00:35:41,087 --> 00:35:44,127
Speaker 2: life and they won't. Coca color and Cadbury would be

762
00:35:44,167 --> 00:35:45,967
Speaker 2: your aun And where are they?

763
00:35:46,127 --> 00:35:46,527
Speaker 1: Good point?

764
00:35:46,567 --> 00:35:47,967
Speaker 2: We give them too much free advertising.

765
00:35:48,127 --> 00:35:50,847
Speaker 1: My best of the week was also a dinner which

766
00:35:51,247 --> 00:35:54,927
Speaker 1: I had with some old friends that I made at

767
00:35:54,967 --> 00:35:57,047
Speaker 1: my first job, which happened to beat Cleo Magazine. I

768
00:35:57,087 --> 00:35:58,847
Speaker 1: mean it wasn't my first job. I was at Woolli's

769
00:35:58,887 --> 00:36:01,887
Speaker 1: but didn't make many friends there. But at Cleo I

770
00:36:01,927 --> 00:36:04,407
Speaker 1: was there for five years, and a lot of the

771
00:36:04,447 --> 00:36:06,607
Speaker 1: women that I worked with there it was a kind

772
00:36:06,647 --> 00:36:08,887
Speaker 1: of a heyday for Cleo in the very early nineties,

773
00:36:09,407 --> 00:36:12,967
Speaker 1: including Lisa Wilkinson, Paula Joy, Deborah Thomas, nicoleb and Ithen.

774
00:36:13,967 --> 00:36:17,487
Speaker 1: They have remained really close friends over all of those years,

775
00:36:17,487 --> 00:36:19,367
Speaker 1: and that would have been Oh god, that's thirty years ago,

776
00:36:20,127 --> 00:36:22,407
Speaker 1: and so we haven't seen each other for ages and

777
00:36:22,447 --> 00:36:25,207
Speaker 1: ages and ages, and a lot's happened to all of us,

778
00:36:25,287 --> 00:36:27,687
Speaker 1: both good and bad. Over the years, and so we

779
00:36:27,807 --> 00:36:30,207
Speaker 1: organized a dinner that nobody canceled.

780
00:36:30,647 --> 00:36:31,887
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one you wouldn't care.

781
00:36:32,087 --> 00:36:34,807
Speaker 1: No, that was one that you really wouldn't cancel, Like

782
00:36:34,807 --> 00:36:36,167
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have occurred to me, and you know all

783
00:36:36,207 --> 00:36:38,967
Speaker 1: that stuff about I feel good when people cancel, not

784
00:36:39,007 --> 00:36:41,607
Speaker 1: something like this, something like this is really special. So

785
00:36:42,007 --> 00:36:43,727
Speaker 1: it was just lovely and it made me really think

786
00:36:43,767 --> 00:36:46,727
Speaker 1: about I know there's a lot discussed about working from

787
00:36:46,807 --> 00:36:49,607
Speaker 1: home and not working from home and how so many

788
00:36:49,607 --> 00:36:51,847
Speaker 1: people like it, particularly young people, and I just really

789
00:36:51,887 --> 00:36:54,887
Speaker 1: feel that they're missing out on a lot. I just

790
00:36:54,927 --> 00:36:58,847
Speaker 1: made some of the most incredible friends from working in

791
00:36:58,887 --> 00:37:01,567
Speaker 1: an office and people that you would never otherwise meet

792
00:37:01,647 --> 00:37:03,887
Speaker 1: or get to know. And they're not all friends for life.

793
00:37:03,967 --> 00:37:07,567
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're just you know, a reason, a season, a lifetime.

794
00:37:07,927 --> 00:37:10,927
Speaker 1: But there's something about all being in it together that's

795
00:37:11,007 --> 00:37:14,287
Speaker 1: just very very bonding and reminiscing about those years. And

796
00:37:14,327 --> 00:37:17,287
Speaker 1: it's no accident that we started this new group chat

797
00:37:17,367 --> 00:37:21,047
Speaker 1: and been talking about the nineties Vogue documentary and all

798
00:37:21,087 --> 00:37:23,167
Speaker 1: of that stuff that we lived through together. It was

799
00:37:23,207 --> 00:37:25,887
Speaker 1: just really nice to catch up. Amelia. What was your

800
00:37:25,927 --> 00:37:26,767
Speaker 1: worst of the week?

801
00:37:26,927 --> 00:37:28,887
Speaker 3: So my worst is just a little thing, but it

802
00:37:28,967 --> 00:37:31,367
Speaker 3: kind of rankled at me. It took me a long

803
00:37:31,527 --> 00:37:34,127
Speaker 3: time to get back into exercise after I had two

804
00:37:34,207 --> 00:37:37,687
Speaker 3: kids in quick succession, and then there was the pandemic.

805
00:37:37,847 --> 00:37:38,727
Speaker 2: What's the age gap?

806
00:37:39,407 --> 00:37:43,247
Speaker 3: Our two years? But then I discovered polarates. Now there

807
00:37:43,287 --> 00:37:45,607
Speaker 3: is nothing more boring than someone talking about polarates, so

808
00:37:45,607 --> 00:37:47,127
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. I want to talk

809
00:37:47,127 --> 00:37:50,127
Speaker 3: about one particular moment with an instructor that I tried out,

810
00:37:50,287 --> 00:37:52,807
Speaker 3: who was otherwise very lovely and knowledgeable, but it was

811
00:37:52,847 --> 00:37:54,767
Speaker 3: a moment I found really jarring and which I think

812
00:37:54,807 --> 00:37:57,087
Speaker 3: sort of speaks to how we should not be talking

813
00:37:57,087 --> 00:38:00,407
Speaker 3: about our bodies. So she was talking me through a movement.

814
00:38:00,407 --> 00:38:02,207
Speaker 3: She asked me to turn to the mirror to look

815
00:38:02,207 --> 00:38:04,567
Speaker 3: at how I was doing it, and she prefaced it

816
00:38:04,647 --> 00:38:07,247
Speaker 3: with something like, now I'm going to ask you to

817
00:38:07,287 --> 00:38:09,407
Speaker 3: do something that I know we women hate to do,

818
00:38:09,487 --> 00:38:11,567
Speaker 3: which is look at yourself in the mirror. And I

819
00:38:11,607 --> 00:38:13,847
Speaker 3: was immediately kind of pulled out of this moment where

820
00:38:13,847 --> 00:38:15,607
Speaker 3: I felt good about my body and what it was

821
00:38:15,647 --> 00:38:18,287
Speaker 3: doing and accomplishing, and instead I felt like I was

822
00:38:18,327 --> 00:38:20,167
Speaker 3: being told that I had to feel bad about the

823
00:38:20,167 --> 00:38:20,927
Speaker 3: way I look.

824
00:38:21,327 --> 00:38:23,287
Speaker 1: That speaks volumes about her, doesn't it.

825
00:38:23,447 --> 00:38:25,487
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's not how I feel. I mean, not

826
00:38:25,527 --> 00:38:27,087
Speaker 3: that I love looking myself in the mirror, but I

827
00:38:27,087 --> 00:38:29,887
Speaker 3: certainly don't hate it. And I just this is why,

828
00:38:30,007 --> 00:38:33,247
Speaker 3: whenever I hear conversations where people are talking about diets

829
00:38:33,847 --> 00:38:35,967
Speaker 3: or how they don't like some part of themselves, my

830
00:38:36,087 --> 00:38:39,047
Speaker 3: little active resistance is trying not to participate in that

831
00:38:39,167 --> 00:38:41,927
Speaker 3: and just do not even listen to it. And I

832
00:38:42,007 --> 00:38:44,007
Speaker 3: resented the fact that I was in a situation where

833
00:38:44,007 --> 00:38:44,967
Speaker 3: I couldn't really do that.

834
00:38:45,447 --> 00:38:47,447
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, because she sort of was in a

835
00:38:47,527 --> 00:38:50,807
Speaker 1: power position over you in a way. Yeah, she's the instructor,

836
00:38:50,847 --> 00:38:54,647
Speaker 1: so she says, look in the mirror. You can't say hey, exactly. Yeah,

837
00:38:54,647 --> 00:38:55,447
Speaker 1: oh that's interesting.

838
00:38:55,607 --> 00:38:58,367
Speaker 3: I grappled with the idea of mentioning it to the

839
00:38:58,407 --> 00:39:00,287
Speaker 3: owner of the studio, and I think that was what

840
00:39:00,367 --> 00:39:02,767
Speaker 3: you suggested to me. I ultimately decided not to because

841
00:39:02,767 --> 00:39:04,927
Speaker 3: I didn't want to seem like I was daubing her

842
00:39:04,927 --> 00:39:07,567
Speaker 3: in or anything. But it just meant that, Yeah, I

843
00:39:08,287 --> 00:39:11,327
Speaker 3: didn't want her to be fired, to be clear, Sorry,

844
00:39:11,607 --> 00:39:12,207
Speaker 3: but it.

845
00:39:12,087 --> 00:39:15,247
Speaker 1: Was more just she wouldn't have even been aware that

846
00:39:15,247 --> 00:39:17,087
Speaker 1: that was a thing, probably, and she would probably have

847
00:39:17,127 --> 00:39:20,727
Speaker 1: been mortified exactly to realize what she'd been projecting onto you.

848
00:39:20,767 --> 00:39:23,727
Speaker 1: She just internalized all those feelings.

849
00:39:23,327 --> 00:39:26,327
Speaker 2: And it's getting so much better. But I completely agree

850
00:39:26,367 --> 00:39:29,447
Speaker 2: that in most classes that I'm in, something slips through.

851
00:39:29,887 --> 00:39:32,527
Speaker 2: Now it's all about summer yep, and it's all about

852
00:39:32,767 --> 00:39:34,487
Speaker 2: swimsuits and go arms.

853
00:39:34,647 --> 00:39:36,167
Speaker 3: That's another one I heard recently.

854
00:39:36,367 --> 00:39:38,607
Speaker 2: You know who I find often of the worst the

855
00:39:38,687 --> 00:39:42,447
Speaker 2: male instructors. The male instructors will say something about you know,

856
00:39:42,487 --> 00:39:44,487
Speaker 2: you'll be doing a glued exercise and will be something

857
00:39:44,487 --> 00:39:47,047
Speaker 2: about your bikini, and I'm like, that is just simply

858
00:39:47,127 --> 00:39:50,207
Speaker 2: not why I'm here, and it sort of undermines the

859
00:39:50,367 --> 00:39:52,567
Speaker 2: entire It really irks me. And I felt the same,

860
00:39:52,647 --> 00:39:55,127
Speaker 2: like maybe I should say something as I leave, because I.

861
00:39:55,047 --> 00:39:57,167
Speaker 1: Know this sounds like a shameless plug, which it is.

862
00:39:57,207 --> 00:39:59,887
Speaker 1: But that's why we develop move the app, because it's

863
00:39:59,967 --> 00:40:03,207
Speaker 1: like so much of exercise culture is about feel the

864
00:40:03,207 --> 00:40:05,967
Speaker 1: burn and burning the calories and you can have dessert

865
00:40:06,047 --> 00:40:08,047
Speaker 1: tonight if you do this, or you know you ate

866
00:40:08,047 --> 00:40:10,807
Speaker 1: that cookie, you better work, har and we just wanted,

867
00:40:11,007 --> 00:40:14,247
Speaker 1: you know, exercise that was completely free of that. It's

868
00:40:14,287 --> 00:40:16,487
Speaker 1: not even body shaming, although sometimes it is, but even

869
00:40:16,527 --> 00:40:18,887
Speaker 1: just body consciousness, you're doing it for.

870
00:40:18,927 --> 00:40:22,487
Speaker 3: Different You want body neutrality when you're working out, and

871
00:40:22,527 --> 00:40:25,047
Speaker 3: you want to decenter that male gaze. So that was

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a downer. But the best is

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Speaker 3: I want to say something controversial. I have noticed since

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Speaker 3: moving here that Halloween gets a really bad rap.

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Speaker 2: It does people.

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Speaker 3: Complain about it being American. Well, I'm here to tell

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Speaker 3: you that sometimes Americans have good ideas. It is my

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Speaker 3: favorite holiday for many years in the US. And here's why.

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Speaker 3: It is non religious. You have almost no emotional physical

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Speaker 3: labor required as a parent. You basically just need to

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Speaker 3: buy some fun sized chocolate bars. You don't need to

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Speaker 3: cook an elaborate meal. You don't need to worry about costumes.

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Speaker 3: The costumes are easy though you can put a sheet

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Speaker 3: on someone. It's really not about the costumes. I find

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Speaker 3: that more. It's like the older kids and maybe the

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Speaker 3: young adults who get really into the costumes. But little

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Speaker 3: kids honestly don't care if you just put a sheet

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Speaker 3: on them and call them a ghost. And I think,

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Speaker 3: what's really much on them?

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Speaker 1: Anyway? It's going to stand in the corner from quiet

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Speaker 1: for a bit.

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Speaker 3: What I think is missing from the Halloween discussion here

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Speaker 3: is that it's a community building exercise. The idea is

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Speaker 3: that kids walk around the neighborhood and you talk to

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Speaker 3: people who open their doors and give your kids lollies

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Speaker 3: or chocolates, and you get to know them a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And the kids are really excited because there's that little

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Speaker 3: bit of fear in the mix as well. So what

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Speaker 3: I did this weekend that was just really joyous is

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Speaker 3: we went to Kmart and we stocked up big on

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Speaker 3: some Halloween decorations. I got a tombstone that said I

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Speaker 3: need a coffin.

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Speaker 2: Break love it, Love It.

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Speaker 3: Got a rat with glowing red eyes which I put

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Speaker 3: outside our apartment, which I bet the people trying to

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Speaker 3: sell their apartment upstairs are going to love that.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of early to be getting into the Halloween.

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Speaker 3: It's never too I thought it was like a.

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Speaker 1: Week or two in advance.

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Speaker 2: I agree with the mayor it fields early, but America's.

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Speaker 3: Actually My son literally said to me, is this not

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Speaker 3: too early? And I said, you're six, you know nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's Australian deep inside. That is all we have time

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Speaker 1: for today because we've got to go out and buy

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Speaker 1: our Halloween decorations. You weird.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to address Luner up and I saw an idea

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Speaker 2: on Instagram which was to dress her as moodng.

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Speaker 1: That's really so good. I love moved bouncy Pork. A

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Speaker 1: big thank you to all of you the out louders

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Speaker 1: for listening to today's show. If anyone still is, we'll

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Speaker 1: be back in your ears next week. But also before

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Speaker 1: we go, a big thank you to our team, Executive

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Speaker 1: producer Ruth Devine, who loves it when plans are canceled

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Speaker 1: and has zero shame about doing it herself. Senior producer

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Speaker 1: Emmeline Gazillas, who hates letting people down, so we'll only

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Speaker 1: commit if she's one hundred percent sure about the plan.

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Speaker 1: And our audio producer is Leah Porges, who's secretly relieved

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Speaker 1: when she gets canceled on, as well as our social

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Speaker 1: media producer Isabelle Dolphin, who says yes to everything, but

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Speaker 1: if she's not living it, calls in sick.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to any Mum and Maya subscribers listening. If

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Speaker 1: you love the show and we want to support us

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