1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,974 --> 00:00:24,174 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is mma Mer's twice daily 5 00:00:24,214 --> 00:00:27,574 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. A dangerous new beauty trend is 6 00:00:27,574 --> 00:00:31,934 Speaker 2: putting Australians in hospital with multiple cases of botulism linked 7 00:00:31,974 --> 00:00:35,854 Speaker 2: to backyard botox procedures. So is getting a bit of 8 00:00:35,934 --> 00:00:39,134 Speaker 2: tox injected from the comfort of someone's lounge room really 9 00:00:39,214 --> 00:00:42,494 Speaker 2: that different from having it administered in a clinic. And 10 00:00:42,574 --> 00:00:45,614 Speaker 2: while we're talking about concerning social media trends, there's a 11 00:00:45,654 --> 00:00:49,614 Speaker 2: growing movement called the femisphere that's seeing millions of young 12 00:00:49,614 --> 00:00:53,814 Speaker 2: women rejecting modern feminism in favor of something potentially much 13 00:00:53,814 --> 00:00:57,534 Speaker 2: more dangerous. Today, we're investigating why people are risking their 14 00:00:57,574 --> 00:01:01,694 Speaker 2: lives for cheaper cosmetic procedures and unpacking this new anti 15 00:01:01,774 --> 00:01:05,654 Speaker 2: feminist movement that's taking over social media. But first, here's 16 00:01:05,694 --> 00:01:09,694 Speaker 2: Claire Murphy with the latest from The Quicki newsroom, Thursday, January. 17 00:01:09,334 --> 00:01:13,094 Speaker 1: Three, Thanks Taylor. Australia's Jewish community are in more fear 18 00:01:13,134 --> 00:01:16,814 Speaker 1: for their safety after a caravan containing explosives was found 19 00:01:16,814 --> 00:01:20,694 Speaker 1: abandoned on a semi rural road northwest of Sydney. The caravan, 20 00:01:20,734 --> 00:01:23,774 Speaker 1: which held enough explosive material to create a forty meter 21 00:01:23,854 --> 00:01:27,414 Speaker 1: wide blast, also contained notes with the addresses of Jewish 22 00:01:27,494 --> 00:01:32,134 Speaker 1: people and Jewish institutions, sparking a massive multi agency probe, 23 00:01:32,374 --> 00:01:36,134 Speaker 1: including more than one hundred counter terrorism investigators. New South 24 00:01:36,174 --> 00:01:39,574 Speaker 1: Wales Deputy Commissioner David Hudson says they have arrested people 25 00:01:39,614 --> 00:01:42,894 Speaker 1: around the periphery of this planned attack, but those responsible 26 00:01:42,974 --> 00:01:45,814 Speaker 1: remain at large. There's no information that there are other 27 00:01:45,894 --> 00:01:50,934 Speaker 1: explosive antismatic attacks planned. President Trump's first piece of legislation 28 00:01:51,014 --> 00:01:54,134 Speaker 1: he'll officially sign into law will see people accused of 29 00:01:54,174 --> 00:01:57,774 Speaker 1: crimes who are in the US legally deported, potentially even 30 00:01:57,814 --> 00:02:00,974 Speaker 1: before they're convicted. The Lake and Riley Act passed the 31 00:02:01,014 --> 00:02:05,094 Speaker 1: new Republican controlled Congress with some Democratic support, even though 32 00:02:05,134 --> 00:02:08,494 Speaker 1: immigrant rights advocates raise concerns that people could be rounded 33 00:02:08,534 --> 00:02:11,414 Speaker 1: up and deported for a fences as minor is shoplifting. 34 00:02:11,814 --> 00:02:14,014 Speaker 1: The Act is named for twenty two year old Georgia 35 00:02:14,094 --> 00:02:16,454 Speaker 1: nursing student Lake and Riley, who went out for a 36 00:02:16,534 --> 00:02:18,854 Speaker 1: run in February last year and was killed by a 37 00:02:18,934 --> 00:02:22,454 Speaker 1: Venezuelan man who was in the US illegally. Madonna has 38 00:02:22,454 --> 00:02:24,694 Speaker 1: told the gay community not to give up the fight, 39 00:02:24,774 --> 00:02:27,534 Speaker 1: as she called out the president for dismantling the freedoms 40 00:02:27,534 --> 00:02:31,574 Speaker 1: of LGBTQ plus people. The singer posted on social media 41 00:02:31,654 --> 00:02:34,454 Speaker 1: that it's so sad to watch the new government slowly 42 00:02:34,494 --> 00:02:37,294 Speaker 1: dismantling all the freedom she and the community have been 43 00:02:37,294 --> 00:02:41,654 Speaker 1: fighting for and won over the years, referencing executive orders 44 00:02:41,654 --> 00:02:44,694 Speaker 1: signed by Donald Trump that stripped back rights for marginalized 45 00:02:44,734 --> 00:02:48,574 Speaker 1: groups and bands transgender people from serving in the armed forces. 46 00:02:48,974 --> 00:02:52,254 Speaker 1: Madonna has a long history of advocating for her LGBTQ 47 00:02:52,334 --> 00:02:55,854 Speaker 1: plus fans, famously raising awareness for HIV AIDS in the 48 00:02:55,854 --> 00:02:58,694 Speaker 1: middle of the nineteen eighties epidemic. The sixty six year 49 00:02:58,734 --> 00:03:01,094 Speaker 1: old also won the Advocate for Change Award at the 50 00:03:01,094 --> 00:03:04,734 Speaker 1: Glad Media Awards in twenty nineteen. There's a new baby 51 00:03:04,814 --> 00:03:07,854 Speaker 1: Royal to celebrate, with Princess Beatrice giving birth to her 52 00:03:07,934 --> 00:03:12,254 Speaker 1: second daughter with husband Edward Otto Mapeli Mozzi. Athena Elizabeth 53 00:03:12,334 --> 00:03:15,414 Speaker 1: Rose was born several weeks premature at London's Chelsea and 54 00:03:15,454 --> 00:03:19,294 Speaker 1: Westminster Hospital on January twenty two, weighing just one point 55 00:03:19,374 --> 00:03:22,694 Speaker 1: ninety five kilos. In a post on his Instagram, Mapereli 56 00:03:22,734 --> 00:03:26,534 Speaker 1: Mozzi wrote, she is tiny and absolutely perfect. They released 57 00:03:26,534 --> 00:03:28,934 Speaker 1: a photo of the new arrivals swaddled in pink and 58 00:03:28,974 --> 00:03:31,974 Speaker 1: holding her little hand over her face. Athena has an 59 00:03:32,014 --> 00:03:34,654 Speaker 1: older sister, Sienna, who was born in twenty twenty one, 60 00:03:34,974 --> 00:03:37,694 Speaker 1: and an older brother, Wolfe, who's eight, her dad's son 61 00:03:37,774 --> 00:03:39,254 Speaker 1: from a previous relationship. 62 00:03:39,494 --> 00:03:42,854 Speaker 2: That's what's going on around the globe today. Next, why 63 00:03:42,894 --> 00:03:46,894 Speaker 2: are Australians turning to DIY cosmetic procedures and what are 64 00:03:46,934 --> 00:03:53,934 Speaker 2: the real risks? The cost of living crisis has hit 65 00:03:54,094 --> 00:03:58,334 Speaker 2: Australian women hard, with some turning to questionable alternatives to 66 00:03:58,454 --> 00:04:03,334 Speaker 2: maintain their beauty routines and to underground injecting parties. Is 67 00:04:03,374 --> 00:04:07,214 Speaker 2: this unregulated practice really worth the risk? Clare Murphy is 68 00:04:07,294 --> 00:04:07,974 Speaker 2: on the case. 69 00:04:09,534 --> 00:04:12,814 Speaker 1: The third woman has been hospitalized with suspected botulism in 70 00:04:12,894 --> 00:04:17,054 Speaker 1: Sydney after receiving unregulated anti wrinkle injections at a private 71 00:04:17,134 --> 00:04:20,694 Speaker 1: residence in Guildford. All three women receive the treatments from 72 00:04:20,734 --> 00:04:24,174 Speaker 1: the same person on January eleven, with one fifty one 73 00:04:24,254 --> 00:04:27,334 Speaker 1: year old patient now in intensive care at Westmead Hospital. 74 00:04:27,654 --> 00:04:31,494 Speaker 1: New South Wales Health Executive Director, doctor Jeremy McNulty warns 75 00:04:31,574 --> 00:04:35,054 Speaker 1: this is a very serious condition as botulism, though rare, 76 00:04:35,294 --> 00:04:39,494 Speaker 1: can be fatal. Doctor Brad Mackay, GP, author, podcast host 77 00:04:39,534 --> 00:04:43,454 Speaker 1: and medical commentator says the signs of botulism toxicity might 78 00:04:43,534 --> 00:04:46,374 Speaker 1: not be apparent immediately after your treatment. 79 00:04:46,294 --> 00:04:50,254 Speaker 3: So the main symptoms associated with botulism are around muscle paralysis. 80 00:04:50,414 --> 00:04:54,294 Speaker 3: Sometimes people will start to feel symptoms maybe about twelve 81 00:04:54,374 --> 00:04:58,374 Speaker 3: hours or thirty six hours after having exposure to botulinum toxin, 82 00:04:58,494 --> 00:05:01,454 Speaker 3: but sometimes these symptoms can arise even two or three 83 00:05:01,494 --> 00:05:05,174 Speaker 3: weeks later, so it's important that people keep them in mind. 84 00:05:05,214 --> 00:05:08,254 Speaker 3: If they've been exposed to botox at some stage and 85 00:05:08,294 --> 00:05:10,774 Speaker 3: the last few weeks. So sometimes people will just have 86 00:05:10,894 --> 00:05:14,734 Speaker 3: generalized weakness or fatigue. Sometimes people will have blurred vision 87 00:05:14,774 --> 00:05:17,774 Speaker 3: or double vision, drooping eyelids if the muscles around their 88 00:05:17,774 --> 00:05:21,294 Speaker 3: eyes are affected. Sometimes people will have slurred speech or 89 00:05:21,334 --> 00:05:24,974 Speaker 3: difficulty swallowing. But when we get really worried is when 90 00:05:25,014 --> 00:05:28,094 Speaker 3: people have problems breathing. So when the muscles that are 91 00:05:28,134 --> 00:05:32,414 Speaker 3: involved with respiration are affected and people find it increasingly 92 00:05:32,454 --> 00:05:35,374 Speaker 3: difficult to take a breath, then they definitely need to 93 00:05:35,414 --> 00:05:38,694 Speaker 3: be heading into hospital and have some supportive care either 94 00:05:38,734 --> 00:05:42,894 Speaker 3: in emergency or in the intensive care unit while they're 95 00:05:42,934 --> 00:05:47,014 Speaker 3: getting over this episode of bochuline and toxicity. 96 00:05:47,574 --> 00:05:49,774 Speaker 1: He says that while the fatality rate from this type 97 00:05:49,774 --> 00:05:52,574 Speaker 1: of poisoning is rare, there can be some long term 98 00:05:52,574 --> 00:05:53,854 Speaker 1: implications too. 99 00:05:54,094 --> 00:05:56,454 Speaker 3: With not a medical care. Most people are fine and 100 00:05:56,494 --> 00:05:59,814 Speaker 3: most people don't die from having botulism, but suddenly some 101 00:05:59,854 --> 00:06:03,294 Speaker 3: people do have longer term problems. The typical issues can 102 00:06:03,374 --> 00:06:06,654 Speaker 3: just be generalized weakness and fatigue over a long period 103 00:06:06,694 --> 00:06:10,574 Speaker 3: of time. Sometimes people do feel shorter breath than for weeks, months, 104 00:06:10,654 --> 00:06:15,054 Speaker 3: or sometimes years after having an episode of botulism. Most cases, 105 00:06:15,214 --> 00:06:18,614 Speaker 3: people will bounce back pretty quickly once the episode of 106 00:06:18,654 --> 00:06:19,774 Speaker 3: botulism is over. 107 00:06:22,494 --> 00:06:26,894 Speaker 1: According to Grandview Research, Australia's cosmetic injectibles industry was valued 108 00:06:26,894 --> 00:06:29,774 Speaker 1: at four point one billion dollars in twenty twenty three 109 00:06:30,054 --> 00:06:32,534 Speaker 1: and is expected to continue to grow by more than 110 00:06:32,614 --> 00:06:36,414 Speaker 1: nineteen percent every year until twenty thirty, but the rising 111 00:06:36,494 --> 00:06:41,014 Speaker 1: costs of professional treatments may be pushing some towards risky alternatives. 112 00:06:41,454 --> 00:06:44,094 Speaker 1: Research shows that the reason some people are seeking out 113 00:06:44,134 --> 00:06:47,894 Speaker 1: DIY cosmetic injectibles is often due to the high costs 114 00:06:47,894 --> 00:06:52,094 Speaker 1: of professional services, with some patients reporting filling frustrated with 115 00:06:52,174 --> 00:06:57,134 Speaker 1: expensive professional treatments that deliver unsatisfactory or short lived results. 116 00:06:57,454 --> 00:07:01,094 Speaker 1: In Australia, only doctors and nurse practitioners can prescribe the 117 00:07:01,134 --> 00:07:03,894 Speaker 1: drugs used for anti wrinkle treatments, but there have been 118 00:07:03,974 --> 00:07:07,414 Speaker 1: cases around the world of some practitioners using counterfeit anti 119 00:07:07,414 --> 00:07:11,094 Speaker 1: wrinkle treatments, often sourced from China, sending many to the 120 00:07:11,134 --> 00:07:15,614 Speaker 1: emergency room suffering from botulism toxicity. New South Wales Police 121 00:07:15,654 --> 00:07:19,374 Speaker 1: are currently working with medical authorities to investigate the specific 122 00:07:19,414 --> 00:07:22,854 Speaker 1: anti wrinkle product used in these cases, but this incident 123 00:07:22,934 --> 00:07:26,894 Speaker 1: has prompted renewed focus on regulation of the industry, with AFRA, 124 00:07:27,094 --> 00:07:31,774 Speaker 1: the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency, recently announcing a crackdown 125 00:07:31,774 --> 00:07:36,894 Speaker 1: on cosmetic injectible procedures. Anyone experiencing symptoms after receiving cosmetic 126 00:07:36,934 --> 00:07:40,454 Speaker 1: injections are being urged to seek immediate medical attention through 127 00:07:40,494 --> 00:07:44,774 Speaker 1: their nearest emergency department or by calling Triple O. This incident, though, 128 00:07:44,854 --> 00:07:48,854 Speaker 1: highlights the critical importance of only receiving cosmetic treatments from 129 00:07:48,974 --> 00:07:54,094 Speaker 1: licensed professionals, as Bochelinum toxin, while generally safe in regulated doses, 130 00:07:54,454 --> 00:07:56,774 Speaker 1: can be lethal if improperly administered. 131 00:07:57,174 --> 00:07:59,254 Speaker 3: I would really recommend if you are wanting to have 132 00:07:59,334 --> 00:08:02,174 Speaker 3: cosmetic treatment that you certainly go into a clinic and 133 00:08:02,214 --> 00:08:05,694 Speaker 3: have it done in a proper environment where there's support 134 00:08:05,734 --> 00:08:08,094 Speaker 3: of treatment around. There are a number of different health 135 00:08:08,094 --> 00:08:11,054 Speaker 3: professionals are available to provide you with the care that 136 00:08:11,094 --> 00:08:13,894 Speaker 3: you're needing. If you're inviting lots of friends around to 137 00:08:13,934 --> 00:08:17,654 Speaker 3: have injections of botox at home, you're definitely wanting to 138 00:08:17,654 --> 00:08:21,334 Speaker 3: think twice about making a social event around a medical procedure. 139 00:08:21,814 --> 00:08:24,734 Speaker 3: If it's being mixed with alcohol or other drugs, don't 140 00:08:24,774 --> 00:08:28,374 Speaker 3: do that. You're really wanting to see a registered health professional. 141 00:08:28,494 --> 00:08:32,174 Speaker 3: You're wanting the person who's administering botox to have ferile procedures. 142 00:08:32,654 --> 00:08:35,974 Speaker 3: You're not wanting them to cut corners and find products 143 00:08:36,014 --> 00:08:38,614 Speaker 3: that would be really cheap, because there may be a 144 00:08:38,654 --> 00:08:41,334 Speaker 3: problem with the quality of those products. You're wanting to 145 00:08:41,374 --> 00:08:43,894 Speaker 3: make sure that they are drawing up the right dose 146 00:08:43,974 --> 00:08:47,934 Speaker 3: in the syringe, They're injecting the right amount of chemicals 147 00:08:47,974 --> 00:08:51,934 Speaker 3: into the muscles in the appropriate places. Is the things 148 00:08:51,934 --> 00:08:54,934 Speaker 3: that you're really not wanting to skimp on even in 149 00:08:54,974 --> 00:08:57,534 Speaker 3: the middle of a constant living crisis you. 150 00:08:57,654 --> 00:09:00,854 Speaker 1: South File's Health continues to investigate whether additional people may 151 00:09:00,894 --> 00:09:03,974 Speaker 1: have been exposed to these unregulated treatments. 152 00:09:08,494 --> 00:09:11,054 Speaker 2: If you spend any time I'm on social media lately, 153 00:09:11,214 --> 00:09:14,454 Speaker 2: you might have noticed a new trend emerging. Women are 154 00:09:14,534 --> 00:09:18,774 Speaker 2: racking up millions of views talking about traditional values, rejecting 155 00:09:18,814 --> 00:09:22,294 Speaker 2: modern feminism, and sharing tips on how to manipulate men. 156 00:09:22,894 --> 00:09:26,134 Speaker 2: It's called the femisphere, and while it might look empowering 157 00:09:26,174 --> 00:09:29,134 Speaker 2: on the surface, experts are warning it could be putting 158 00:09:29,254 --> 00:09:32,134 Speaker 2: women at risk. Nicole Madigan has more. 159 00:09:34,054 --> 00:09:38,094 Speaker 4: Picture this a glamorous Instagram influencer with over two hundred 160 00:09:38,094 --> 00:09:42,134 Speaker 4: and seventy thousand followers. At first glance, Kiniko Bactra looks 161 00:09:42,174 --> 00:09:45,654 Speaker 4: like your typical content creator, but there's something different about 162 00:09:45,654 --> 00:09:48,014 Speaker 4: her message. Women keep telling me they're sick of being 163 00:09:48,094 --> 00:09:50,974 Speaker 4: used by men. Ladies, you can't be used if feel useless. 164 00:09:51,374 --> 00:09:53,414 Speaker 4: Stay with me now, I'm going to get the diagnos 165 00:09:53,414 --> 00:09:56,574 Speaker 4: sociopath and this is how to use weaponized incompetence. The 166 00:09:56,614 --> 00:09:59,934 Speaker 4: Aussie influencer is part of a growing movement that's actively 167 00:09:59,974 --> 00:10:04,414 Speaker 4: rejecting modern feminism. You might be wondering what exactly is 168 00:10:04,454 --> 00:10:09,294 Speaker 4: the femisphere. Well, it's basically the female equivalent of the manosphere, 169 00:10:09,694 --> 00:10:13,614 Speaker 4: but with its own unique twist. Doctor Jilly Kay from 170 00:10:13,734 --> 00:10:17,374 Speaker 4: Lughborough University, who actually coined the term, breaks it down 171 00:10:17,414 --> 00:10:21,054 Speaker 4: into three main groups. First, we've got the fem cells, 172 00:10:21,414 --> 00:10:23,694 Speaker 4: women who deliberately withhold sex. 173 00:10:24,134 --> 00:10:26,334 Speaker 5: I've always despised the idea of getting home from work 174 00:10:26,414 --> 00:10:28,614 Speaker 5: or UNI one day and then like just wanting to 175 00:10:28,614 --> 00:10:30,974 Speaker 5: watch like brain rot tiktoks. But then there is a 176 00:10:31,014 --> 00:10:32,974 Speaker 5: dude in my house, Like think about it, You've had 177 00:10:32,974 --> 00:10:35,294 Speaker 5: a long day, you're already mentally dreamed, and then you 178 00:10:35,414 --> 00:10:39,454 Speaker 5: have to go home and be emotionally available and like talkative. 179 00:10:39,614 --> 00:10:41,774 Speaker 5: I don't want to like talk to some dude when 180 00:10:41,814 --> 00:10:44,054 Speaker 5: I get home. How the hell do people get married? 181 00:10:44,134 --> 00:10:46,574 Speaker 5: I will never understand. How do you like someone enough 182 00:10:46,894 --> 00:10:49,134 Speaker 5: to want to share a home with them. 183 00:10:49,574 --> 00:10:53,054 Speaker 4: Then there are the female dating strategists. They're all about 184 00:10:53,094 --> 00:10:55,014 Speaker 4: finding men to support them financially. 185 00:10:55,174 --> 00:10:57,454 Speaker 6: If you're in a relationship with a man, it's in 186 00:10:57,494 --> 00:11:00,454 Speaker 6: a man's dna to feel that you admire him, and 187 00:11:00,574 --> 00:11:02,694 Speaker 6: for a man to really want to invest in you, 188 00:11:03,094 --> 00:11:05,414 Speaker 6: he has to believe that you add value to his 189 00:11:05,534 --> 00:11:08,414 Speaker 6: life that he cannot give himself. But that value doesn't 190 00:11:08,454 --> 00:11:10,614 Speaker 6: have to do with you paying the bills. It only 191 00:11:10,654 --> 00:11:12,694 Speaker 6: has to do with one thing, and that is with 192 00:11:12,774 --> 00:11:13,374 Speaker 6: the way you. 193 00:11:13,294 --> 00:11:16,774 Speaker 4: Look at him. And finally, the tradwives. These are women 194 00:11:16,814 --> 00:11:20,854 Speaker 4: embracing traditional roles staying home while their husbands work. 195 00:11:21,334 --> 00:11:23,494 Speaker 1: Number one rule as a trade wife. 196 00:11:23,934 --> 00:11:26,454 Speaker 4: A man's home is his castle, so. 197 00:11:26,374 --> 00:11:29,254 Speaker 1: He should be treated as a king. He's working a 198 00:11:29,254 --> 00:11:32,614 Speaker 1: stressful job, maybe working long hours, just so he can 199 00:11:32,654 --> 00:11:36,534 Speaker 1: provide for you and the family, so he rightfully deserves peace. 200 00:11:37,254 --> 00:11:42,014 Speaker 4: But here's where it gets interesting. Kinika, despite her conservative views, 201 00:11:42,534 --> 00:11:46,414 Speaker 4: isn't advocating for women to rely on men financially. Instead, 202 00:11:46,694 --> 00:11:49,534 Speaker 4: she believes women need to be strategic in their approach 203 00:11:49,574 --> 00:11:53,334 Speaker 4: to dating and relationships. She says, and I'm quoting here, 204 00:11:54,134 --> 00:11:57,214 Speaker 4: my goal for my female audience is to spot deception 205 00:11:57,694 --> 00:12:02,934 Speaker 4: while also learning to utilize it. Professor Adele Pavlidis from 206 00:12:02,974 --> 00:12:06,574 Speaker 4: the Griffith Center for Social and Cultural Research raises some 207 00:12:06,654 --> 00:12:10,654 Speaker 4: important concerns about this movement. He points out that while 208 00:12:10,654 --> 00:12:14,254 Speaker 4: the femisphere might seem appealing, especially when people are feeling 209 00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:19,414 Speaker 4: vulnerable about romance or finances, it's actually quite dangerous She 210 00:12:19,574 --> 00:12:22,814 Speaker 4: says this approach could put women at risk, particularly when 211 00:12:22,814 --> 00:12:26,774 Speaker 4: it comes to financial independence and safety from domestic violence. 212 00:12:27,694 --> 00:12:32,054 Speaker 4: What's particularly fascinating is how the Femisphere positions itself against 213 00:12:32,094 --> 00:12:37,454 Speaker 4: modern feminism. These influences argue that contemporary feminism has failed women, 214 00:12:37,894 --> 00:12:41,654 Speaker 4: but experts like Professor Pavlotis remind us that feminism isn't 215 00:12:41,774 --> 00:12:45,494 Speaker 4: one size fits all. There are multiple forms of feminism, 216 00:12:45,574 --> 00:12:49,774 Speaker 4: each addressing different aspects of gender equality. While the manosphere 217 00:12:49,814 --> 00:12:54,294 Speaker 4: often leads to direct violence against women, Professor Pavlettis suggests 218 00:12:54,374 --> 00:12:57,854 Speaker 4: the Femisphere could ultimately have the same result, just through 219 00:12:57,894 --> 00:13:02,734 Speaker 4: different means. By promoting financial dependence and traditional gender roles, 220 00:13:02,934 --> 00:13:06,134 Speaker 4: it might leave women vulnerable to abuse and without the 221 00:13:06,214 --> 00:13:11,094 Speaker 4: means to escape dangerous situations. So what's the takeaway here? 222 00:13:11,894 --> 00:13:15,094 Speaker 4: While the Femisphere might seem like an attractive alternative to 223 00:13:15,174 --> 00:13:19,614 Speaker 4: modern feminism, especially when packaged in glossy Instagram posts and 224 00:13:19,694 --> 00:13:24,174 Speaker 4: viral tiktoks, it's important to look beneath the surface. The 225 00:13:24,254 --> 00:13:27,654 Speaker 4: movement might be addressing real frustrations with modern life, but 226 00:13:27,814 --> 00:13:31,094 Speaker 4: its solutions could be putting women at risk. It might 227 00:13:31,134 --> 00:13:33,774 Speaker 4: not be as simple as a catching social media post, 228 00:13:33,854 --> 00:13:37,414 Speaker 4: but the complexities and nuances are worth exploring. 229 00:13:39,374 --> 00:13:41,814 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking time to feature mind with us today. 230 00:13:41,934 --> 00:13:44,054 Speaker 2: If you'd like to read more about the Femisphere, you 231 00:13:44,094 --> 00:13:47,414 Speaker 2: can find Nicole's full investigation on the Muma Mere website. 232 00:13:47,534 --> 00:13:50,334 Speaker 2: It'll be linked in the show notes. The Quikie is 233 00:13:50,374 --> 00:13:53,734 Speaker 2: produced by me Taylor Strano and Claire Murphy, with reporting 234 00:13:53,814 --> 00:13:56,934 Speaker 2: from Nicole Madigan and audio production by Lou Hill.