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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 3: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 4: From MoMA Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 4: culture fix. I'm Venham and I'm Laura Brodnick, and today

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Speaker 4: on the show, we have even more news on the

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Speaker 4: It ends with us, it just keeps going. I feel

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Speaker 4: like this drama after drama after drama a lot to

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Speaker 3: But first news for people who are missing Bridgeton and

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Speaker 3: excited for the new season, which is not coming out.

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Speaker 5: For a few years.

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Speaker 3: We've got a few times to kind of bubbleway on

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Speaker 3: this news. So Australian Korean actress Yarin Har has been well,

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Speaker 3: she hasn't officially said it, and Shondaland, who produces the

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Speaker 3: confirmed by varieties. You know, they're in the know of

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Speaker 3: Bridges in season four, playing opposite Benedict and so that

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Speaker 3: is based on the Bridgeton novel and offer from a gentleman.

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Speaker 3: And she's going to be playing Sophie Beckett, who is

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Speaker 3: going to be Benedict's love interest.

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Speaker 4: I care about this so much. I was most interested

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Speaker 4: But he loves the hookup though we know that he

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Speaker 3: Maybe I have a few thirds in the marriage. I

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Speaker 3: But I feel like it's time for Benedict because he

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Speaker 3: So the fourth season of Bridgington turns its focus to

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Speaker 3: his mother's masquerade ball. So, if you're not cross Aaron

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Speaker 3: har the actress that she's an Australian crean actress. She's

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Speaker 3: This is very exciting casting news, Nana.

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Speaker 4: So we've talked about the film It ends with us

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love how you just always so confused by

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Speaker 3: It makes it sound more adventurous. I was on a

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Speaker 4: So the last episode we did, we talked about everything

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Speaker 3: But they had not defeena at all. But they have apologized.

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Speaker 5: It found you.

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Speaker 3: It found me in the deepest corners of the Internet,

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Speaker 3: Its just got Crazy's saying that this is a marketing

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Speaker 3: And it's kind of very like light pr where they're

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Speaker 3: But this does seem like it came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 4: And also with the protection of Taylor Swift, Like I

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Speaker 3: talk about this in any way and just hope that

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Speaker 3: it blows over. But I do wonder if there's kind

434
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Speaker 3: of have to be a stage now, how do.

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Speaker 5: You think this is going to end? Like, it doesn't

436
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Speaker 5: end with us, It's not going to end with us

437
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Speaker 5: at all. Wi Fi.

438
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Speaker 3: Is interesting is that someone who a very similar thing

439
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Speaker 3: started to happen to about a year ago that no

440
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Speaker 3: one suspected, that was exactly like the same as Blake

441
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Speaker 3: Lively in terms of like golden girl of Hollywood, she's

442
00:18:28,264 --> 00:18:30,904
Speaker 3: no one is a nice girl, everyone loves her, married

443
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Speaker 3: to a famous man on a press tour and an

444
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Speaker 3: old interview resurface, and that was Emily Blunt.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember this?

446
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Speaker 3: No, So she was on a press tour for a

447
00:18:39,304 --> 00:18:42,184
Speaker 3: movie many many years ago, and she made a comment

448
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Speaker 3: about our waitress who was serving her being She's like,

449
00:18:44,704 --> 00:18:46,744
Speaker 3: she was obviously enjoying the food at chili.

450
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Speaker 5: She was so fat, she was wide.

451
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Speaker 3: She was wide like this and kind of held her

452
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Speaker 3: hands out and she said that years ago, and no

453
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Speaker 3: one said anything at the time. And then recently in

454
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Speaker 3: last year or so, she was doing a lot of

455
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Speaker 3: press for Oppenheimer and that sort of thing, and that

456
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Speaker 3: resurfaced and you could see it kind of almost going

457
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Speaker 3: a Blake Lively way where it was like very exciting

458
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Speaker 3: for people. Well, first of all, it was awful what

459
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Speaker 3: she said, and everything about the comment was and just

460
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Speaker 3: also someone called for in the middle of talking about

461
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Speaker 3: filming a movie about her going to this restaurant with

462
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Speaker 3: it anyway. But what kind of happened there was that

463
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Speaker 3: you could almost see it tilting the way it's gone

464
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Speaker 3: for Blake Lively, that people started looking for other things.

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Speaker 3: And then Emily Blunt came out straight away with his

466
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Speaker 3: big apology. She's like, I have no memory of saying this,

467
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Speaker 3: but it's absolutely horrific. I'm so sorry. I can't believe

468
00:19:31,464 --> 00:19:34,864
Speaker 3: I said that. It's completely inexcusable. I'm paraphrasing, but that

469
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Speaker 3: was the vibe of her apology, and she just came

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Speaker 3: out straight away with a statement and was like, I'm

471
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Speaker 3: so sorry that I was completely in the wrong. I'll

472
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Speaker 3: never do that again. And I'm just I'm so embarrassed

473
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Speaker 3: in humiliated that I said that. And I think it's

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Speaker 3: two schools of thought on that. I'm like, one is

475
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Speaker 3: that you have to have that thinking in your head

476
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Speaker 3: to say it, Like once people slip and say stuff,

477
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Speaker 3: it has to kind of be inside you. So I

478
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Speaker 3: was like, that's a bit shit for Emily Blunt, but

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Speaker 3: I guess it's how people think. But the other thing,

480
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Speaker 3: it was just interesting how she just really turned it

481
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Speaker 3: around before it escalated. The thing is now if Blake

482
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Speaker 3: Lively says something about it, she opens herself up to

483
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Speaker 3: having to talk about it more and for more stories

484
00:20:07,744 --> 00:20:09,264
Speaker 3: to come about it. But I do think I.

485
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Speaker 4: Think she's left it too late. I think if she

486
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Speaker 4: said it after the whole like press thing went down, yeah,

487
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Speaker 4: and she apologized, I think it would have stopped people

488
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Speaker 4: from continuing to dig into the past with Emily Blunt.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the same thing if she didn't apologize

490
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Speaker 4: right off the bat, people would have kept going and

491
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Speaker 4: keep like bringing stuff up, saying more stuff, finding stuff

492
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Speaker 4: that she's done, tweeted, whatever, until she says something Yeah,

493
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Speaker 4: And now I think Blake has just left it for

494
00:20:36,424 --> 00:20:38,864
Speaker 4: too long and it's just gonna keep spiraling until she

495
00:20:38,944 --> 00:20:40,144
Speaker 4: actually yeah exactly.

496
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Speaker 3: And I understand why she didn't say anything about the

497
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Speaker 3: Justin Baldoni stuff because they're still in that, I feel,

498
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Speaker 3: And also, what are you gonna say? Yeah, I hated

499
00:20:45,744 --> 00:20:47,384
Speaker 3: the director I worked with, and he's like, I hate

500
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Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know what happened in that movie,

501
00:20:48,904 --> 00:20:51,504
Speaker 3: but it sounds like two egos kind of came together

502
00:20:51,544 --> 00:20:53,504
Speaker 3: and they're probably both have done stuff right and both

503
00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:54,304
Speaker 3: have done stuff wrong.

504
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's been like videos that have been leaked

505
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Speaker 4: of them, like arguing on set. When I look at

506
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Speaker 4: those videos, I'm like, they just look like two creatives

507
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Speaker 4: like talking about But.

508
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Speaker 3: You can walk away from being on a movie set

509
00:21:04,344 --> 00:21:06,264
Speaker 3: where two people, for I mean, look at Olivia Wilde

510
00:21:06,264 --> 00:21:08,224
Speaker 3: and Florence Pugh coming off don't worry.

511
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Speaker 1: Darling, Like it's crazy how that just like ended, Yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: and this just keeps going, yeah, exactly, Like I feel

513
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Speaker 1: like they walked out of that just being like that

514
00:21:16,504 --> 00:21:18,824
Speaker 1: was just two kind of creative people who seem to

515
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Speaker 1: have something, and we kind of all look back on

516
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Speaker 1: that as like, oh, I remember that.

517
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Speaker 3: Like beautiful time when Yeah was kind of rolling out

518
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Speaker 3: fun with there's just like his.

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Speaker 5: Camera, yeah camera.

520
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Speaker 3: But this feels like it's taken on a completely different

521
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Speaker 3: life of its own, and it's just I actually do

522
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Speaker 3: think people keep saying like, oh, it's over for Blake Lively,

523
00:21:36,704 --> 00:21:38,384
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's quite true. Like I think

524
00:21:38,424 --> 00:21:40,624
Speaker 3: she is a bit too kind of situated in Hollywood

525
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Speaker 3: and her fame is so intense, and I think her

526
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Speaker 3: and Ryan together also there's a bit of a safety

527
00:21:45,584 --> 00:21:49,024
Speaker 3: blanket and having two very famous, beloved people who are

528
00:21:49,064 --> 00:21:51,304
Speaker 3: so kind of forward facing with their businesses and all

529
00:21:51,344 --> 00:21:54,024
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. But I do think it is

530
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Speaker 3: going to kind of stay with her for a long

531
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Speaker 3: time and she's never going to get that kind of

532
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Speaker 3: golden girl persona back now that all of this is

533
00:22:00,184 --> 00:22:02,824
Speaker 3: out there, and if she does say anything about it,

534
00:22:02,904 --> 00:22:05,064
Speaker 3: because when she put out a statement about something, journalists

535
00:22:05,064 --> 00:22:07,664
Speaker 3: and people who are interview her for future projects, it

536
00:22:07,704 --> 00:22:09,704
Speaker 3: gives you more of an end to arsen about it,

537
00:22:09,704 --> 00:22:11,064
Speaker 3: because then you can and say like, oh, will you

538
00:22:11,104 --> 00:22:13,744
Speaker 3: commented on this? Can you elaborate? And we know that

539
00:22:13,784 --> 00:22:16,664
Speaker 3: she does sometimes apologize for things, like she was one

540
00:22:16,664 --> 00:22:18,664
Speaker 3: of the celebrities who was commenting on the whole Kate

541
00:22:18,704 --> 00:22:21,424
Speaker 3: Milton like her disappearance being weird, And when it came

542
00:22:21,464 --> 00:22:24,264
Speaker 3: out with her cancer diagnosis, she posted this big apology

543
00:22:24,304 --> 00:22:25,904
Speaker 3: saying that she was in the wrong and she shouldn't

544
00:22:25,904 --> 00:22:29,464
Speaker 3: have said it. But I think that was different because

545
00:22:29,704 --> 00:22:32,944
Speaker 3: that was all the world agreeing on a certain way

546
00:22:32,944 --> 00:22:35,264
Speaker 3: of thinking. Everyone was like, oh no, no, this was

547
00:22:35,304 --> 00:22:38,144
Speaker 3: wrong and now this is right. Whereas if she apologizes

548
00:22:38,144 --> 00:22:41,224
Speaker 3: for this, she centers herself as being the one to blame.

549
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Speaker 4: Yes, And I think if she apologized, she has to

550
00:22:42,864 --> 00:22:45,424
Speaker 4: apologized for a lot more than just what went down.

551
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think we'll start to see this kind

552
00:22:47,824 --> 00:22:50,744
Speaker 3: of just continue to escalate. And look, the movie's still

553
00:22:50,784 --> 00:22:52,304
Speaker 3: doing really well at the box office, so I think

554
00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:52,784
Speaker 3: it'd be fine.

555
00:22:52,784 --> 00:22:54,024
Speaker 5: But she's got her paycheck.

556
00:22:54,104 --> 00:22:55,824
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got a paycheck. But I think this is

557
00:22:55,864 --> 00:22:57,544
Speaker 3: something that will stay with her for the rest.

558
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Speaker 5: Of her career.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.

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Speaker 4: We have done a lot of content on the movie.

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Speaker 4: It ends with us and everything that's happened. If you

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Speaker 4: want to listen to more of that, we will link

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Speaker 4: those episodes in the show notes. Otherwise, we will be

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Speaker 4: back in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Bye bye, mm hmm