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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast. Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 2: This is Mamma Mer's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump wants to see your socials before you even

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Speaker 2: get on a plane to the United States. The US

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Speaker 2: is moving to make five years of your social media

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Speaker 2: history a mandatory part of even short tourist trips, including

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Speaker 2: Ozzie's traveling on the US visa waiver scheme. Plus, the

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Speaker 2: Victorian Court of Appeals handed down its decision over the

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Speaker 2: appeal launched by former pilot Greg Lynn yesterday, sending the

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Speaker 2: cakes back to retrial.

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Speaker 1: Claire Murphy will have all the details before we get there.

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Speaker 2: Here's Tarlie Blackman with the latest from the Quickie newsroom

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Speaker 2: for Friday, December twelveth Thanks Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Tom Silvanni, the twenty three year old son and brother

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Speaker 3: of well known AFL figures, can now be identified as

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Speaker 3: the man found guilty of raping a woman last year.

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Speaker 3: A Victorian County court lifted a suppression order on Thursday afternoon,

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Speaker 3: allowing media to report his name. Sylvanni, the son of

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Speaker 3: Carlton Greats Stephen Sylvanni and television personality Joe Sylvanni, was

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Speaker 3: found guilty of rape by jury. Last Friday, the court

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Speaker 3: heard Sylvanni entered a woman's dark bedroom, climbed into her bed,

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Speaker 3: and digitally raped her in January twenty twenty four. His

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Speaker 3: lawyer had argued against naming him, citing mental health concerns. However,

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Speaker 3: the judge ruled that with Sylvanni now convicted and in custody,

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Speaker 3: the suppression was no longer justified. He has been taken

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Speaker 3: into custody and awaits sentencing. Ukrainian President Volodnimir Zelensky says

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Speaker 3: any decision to give up disputed territory to end the

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Speaker 3: war with Russia must be put to a national vote.

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Speaker 3: His comments come as Kiev has submitted revised peace proposals

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Speaker 3: to the United States. Zelensky said the US has raised

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Speaker 3: the idea of creating a free economic zone in parts

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Speaker 3: of eastern Ukraine Ukraine forces withdraw However, he stressed that

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Speaker 3: no territorial concessions can be made without public approval. He

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Speaker 3: noted two major sticking points in talks with Washington, the

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Speaker 3: status of the eastern Dunyask region and control of the

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Speaker 3: Russian held Zaporozier nuclear power plants. According to Zelenski, the

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Speaker 3: US is continuing to urge Kiev to consider giving up

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Speaker 3: significant territory to stop the fighting. Ukraine's updated peace framework,

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Speaker 3: based on a twenty point plan that includes security guarantees

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Speaker 3: and reconstruction, has been handed to the US. Details remain undisclosed,

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Speaker 3: while Kiev awaits Washington's response. Two bushfires that burned at

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Speaker 3: emergency levels for hours in perths Northeast and southeast have

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Speaker 3: been downgraded to watch and axe alerts. Residents in Upper

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Speaker 3: Swan Boolsbrook, Kenwick, Waddlegrove, Maddington and Beckenham are being urged

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Speaker 3: to stay alert as conditions may change. Fire authorities down

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Speaker 3: growd raided the Kenwick blaze at about six forty five

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Speaker 3: pm yesterday due to easing conditions. The Department of Fire

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Speaker 3: and Emergency Services said both fires still pose a possible

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Speaker 3: threat to lives and homes. Crew spent hours battling the

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Speaker 3: Kenwick fire, which started just after midday yesterday, and aerial

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Speaker 3: support had to stop when an unauthorized drone was spotted.

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Speaker 3: One shed has been confirmed destroyed, but no homes lost.

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Speaker 3: Authorities warn of challenging weather ahead, with temperatures in the

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Speaker 3: high thirties expected over the weekend. An evacuation center has

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Speaker 3: been set up in Maddington. Time magazine has named the

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Speaker 3: Architects of AI it's twenty twenty five Person of the Year,

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Speaker 3: saying this was the year the full potential of artificial

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Speaker 3: intelligence roared interview. The magazine said the group was recognized

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Speaker 3: for ushering in an era of thinking machines, transforming daily life,

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Speaker 3: and raising both excitement and concern worldwide. AI had been

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Speaker 3: a leading favorite for the title, alongside and Video CEO

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Speaker 3: Jensen Hang and Open AI's Sam Altman. Other contenders included

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Speaker 3: newly elected Pope Lio the fourteenth, US President Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and New York Mayor elect

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Speaker 3: Johann Mamdani. Trump held the title last year after returning

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Speaker 3: to the White House following Taylor Swift's selection in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three. Times Person of the Year tradition dates back

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Speaker 3: to nineteen twenty seven, highlighting the individual or group deemed

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Speaker 3: to have the most influential global events over the past

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Speaker 1: Thanks Tarli.

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Speaker 2: Next, what your socials could mean for your US trip?

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Speaker 2: If you're planning a girl's trip to La maybe a

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Speaker 2: Disneyland holiday with the kids, or a quick stop in

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Speaker 1: The US just quietly added a big new.

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Speaker 2: Hurdle under a plan published the week by US Customs

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Speaker 2: and Border Protection, most Visa Wave visitors, including Australians, would

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Speaker 1: You answer a couple of security.

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Speaker 2: Questions, pay a fee, and usually get a two year

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Speaker 2: travel authorization. Since twenty nineteen, that form has included an

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Speaker 2: for the majority of people who skip it, they still

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Speaker 2: get approved, which brings us to now. Under the proposed change,

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Speaker 2: that social media field could become compulsory. Applicants would have

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Speaker 2: to provide usernames or handles for platforms they've used over

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Speaker 2: the past five years, along with other high value data.

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Speaker 2: What's high value data? You ask, phone numbers used in

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Speaker 2: the last five years, email addresses that you've used in

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Speaker 2: the last ten years, some IP addresses, and photo metadata,

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Speaker 2: and just as a side note, if you know how

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Speaker 2: to do that.

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Speaker 1: Let me know.

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Speaker 2: Detailed family information including names, dates and places of birth,

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Speaker 2: and contact details, and over time, a range of biometrics

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Speaker 2: like face and fingerprint data, mostly collected via the official

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Speaker 2: mobile app. But why is the Trump administration doing this?

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Speaker 2: US correspondent Emily Lester says the announcement shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Really come as a surprise.

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Speaker 2: After all, the Trump administration has been making these sorts

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Speaker 1: For a while now.

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Speaker 4: I think that closed borders are a really core pillar

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Speaker 4: part of its sales pitch to the American people that

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Speaker 4: America would become a much different country to what it

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Speaker 4: It is closed off to trade, it is closed off

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Speaker 4: I guess, at heart, there's something very scared about a

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Speaker 4: It's just a sort of sad indictment. I think of

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Speaker 2: The proposal has been published in the US Federal Register.

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Speaker 2: The public has sixty days to comment on it. After

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Speaker 2: that the Department of Homeland Security can finalize the rules,

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Speaker 2: meaning they could start biting later in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: which could prove an issue to anyone hoping to head

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Speaker 2: to the States for the twenty twenty six Men's Football

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Speaker 2: World Cup, which is being jointly hosted across the US, Mexico,

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Speaker 2: though worn is also a powerful tool for monitoring and

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Speaker 2: possibly punishing people's online speech. Amelia says it's not just

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Speaker 2: Ossie's wanting their bite of the big APPO who may

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Speaker 4: I think that this is a really extraordinary step, and

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine that any tourist industry operators in the

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Speaker 4: basically means that everyone who was coming to the US

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Speaker 4: on a visa waiver program, including Australian tourists, will now

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Speaker 1: Social media poured through.

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Speaker 4: I just can't imagine anyone choosing to voluntarily submit to

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Speaker 4: the government is not trawling through their past social media history.

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Speaker 2: As Avid QUICKI listeners will know Amelia and I have

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Speaker 2: So does she think we'd pass the pub test in

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Speaker 2: this instance? And what about you listening, who probably isn't

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Speaker 2: As in the weeds of Trump's America.

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Speaker 4: Taylor, I'm going to put that question too, two parts,

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Speaker 4: because the two of us have two different statuses. I

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Speaker 4: am a citizen of the United States. Now even that

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Speaker 4: is up for debate. Now, there's actually a bill in

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Speaker 4: tracking that very closely because that would mean that I'd

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Speaker 4: have to decide between my Australian and American citizenship, very

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Speaker 4: unusual move. Most countries are fine with you holding dual citizenship.

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Speaker 4: I don't anticipate I would have any problems, but I

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Speaker 4: would counsel you not to go right now. I think,

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Speaker 4: separate from the fact that you are a journalist and

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Speaker 4: your work, I just think that It's not going to

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Speaker 4: be a pleasant experience for anyone trying to enter the

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Speaker 4: US under this current administration. They are sending you a

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Speaker 2: Former pilot Greg Lynn has had his conviction over the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty set aside Murphy has More.

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Speaker 5: In March twenty twenty, Carol Clay and Russell Hill drove

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Speaker 5: a keen huntsman who regularly spent time out in nature

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Speaker 5: hunting deer, former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn. What happened between

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Speaker 5: it had an altercation with Hill over the use of

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Speaker 5: Lynn had been shooting too close to camp. The argument

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Speaker 5: escalating when Hill allegedly grabbed Lynn's gun, claiming he would

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Speaker 5: came at him with a hunting knife, and after another struggle,

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Speaker 5: both men fell to the ground where the knife pierced

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Speaker 5: He explained how he'd loaded both bodies into his trailer

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Speaker 5: He returned six months later and burned their remains. Police

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Speaker 5: tracked Lynn down through a traffic camera with Russell Hill's

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Speaker 5: the camp's location, where they spotted.

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Speaker 1: The dark blue fourweel Drive.

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Speaker 5: Lynn pleaded not guilty to murder, but in October twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty four, a jury found Lynn guilty of killing Carol Clay,

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Speaker 5: was sentenced to thirty two years in jail, after which

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Speaker 5: Lynn's lawyers launched an appeal. Yesterday, the Victorian Court handed

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Speaker 5: down their decision. Greglynn maintains his innocence. ABC investigative journalist

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 6: The Court of Appeal has upheld Greglyn's appeal against conviction

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Speaker 6: and ordered a retrial, so his conviction for the murder

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Speaker 6: of Carol Clay will be set aside. The judgment of

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Speaker 6: summary has come through. Mister Lynn raised four grounds of

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Speaker 6: the Court of Appeal. Judges Grounds one and two contended

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Speaker 6: The first one is that the prosecutor made a number

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Speaker 6: The argument there was that, in cross examination by defense counsel,

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Speaker 6: how missus Clay was shot were plaused book. In his

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Speaker 6: the courts concluded these breaches constitute a substantial miscarriage of

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Speaker 6: And they went on to say that the sun fairness

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Speaker 5: Now, we haven't been given an exact date on where

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Speaker 5: a retrial might be possible, but just with the way

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Speaker 6: How long is a piece of stream? I have no idea.

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Speaker 5: What were the responses in the court today, Rachel? Do

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Speaker 6: Missus Clay's family. So I looked over at missus Clay's

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Speaker 6: Russell's family. They were also devastated. As the informant, Brett

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Speaker 6: Also in court today, I noticed one of greg Line's sons.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 1: us today.

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Speaker 2: The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano, Laria Brophy,

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Speaker 2: Tarlie Blackman, and Claire Murphy, with audio production.

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Speaker 1: By Lou Hill.

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