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Speaker 2: it's Monday. Doesn't that suck? But I've got some good

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Speaker 2: about clothes and fashion, I've got some Monday inspo for you.

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Speaker 2: But it's for your face. It's the best skincare and

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Speaker 2: makeup that I've been loving lately, and I thought you

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Speaker 2: might want to have a listen. Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm in love, I'm obsessed and I don't even feel

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Speaker 2: jailty about it. Hello, and welcome to Your Beauty, the

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Speaker 2: daily Podcast for your Face. I'm Lee Campbell, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Keller mccaren and it's Monday, as.

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Speaker 2: You know on Mondays. If you're a regular, we answer

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Speaker 2: two ubi questions. Kel how can we blast?

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Speaker 3: Well, you can email us you beauty at Mamma Mia

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Speaker 3: dot com, dot are you damn us? On Insta, asking

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Speaker 3: find it and hopefully include it in the episode.

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Speaker 1: So let's get in to it. I couldn't help, but

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Speaker 1: wonder asked me anything you ask any questions, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, So Lee Hayley slid into our dms Lee and Kelly.

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Speaker 3: I keep seeing those blurry, soft focused lips all over

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Speaker 3: social media lately. Apparently we're ditching super precise lip liners

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Speaker 3: from a few years ago for something more diffused and

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Speaker 3: natural looking. I'm really intrigued, but I have no idea

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Speaker 3: where to start. Are there specific blurry lip liners I

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Speaker 2: Both? The answer is both, yes, Kelly, this is I

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Speaker 2: know you're going to say, Jesse is what you've got,

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Speaker 2: but you're a sucker for a new trend and a

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Speaker 2: new thing in a new I know, but I also

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Speaker 2: love to use and find things at home that I've

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Speaker 2: already got. True. I'm just opening some links to tell

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Speaker 2: you the name of products that I love for this.

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Speaker 2: It's basically a KBDJ beauty trend, which is all well,

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Speaker 2: when I said trend, it's really big there. It's all

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Speaker 2: about that sort of blurred, diffused, kind of.

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Speaker 3: Stained or bitten into a cherry yeah, cherry yeah, cherry stain,

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Speaker 3: and they just like stained to the inside of your lips, yes,

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Speaker 3: and then like blurred a little bit outwards and it's

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Speaker 3: just like, oh, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love just cotten bitter cherry.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like not that it's the glass skint

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Speaker 2: for lips, but you know how, the kind of cave

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Speaker 2: and it's just sort of like glassy, like diffuse, no

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Speaker 2: real lines. So the products I've tried Holocoholica. There was

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Speaker 2: another product from them I love. I can't remember what

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Speaker 2: it was. The format name is the Mellow Blurring lip pencil.

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Speaker 2: There's a bunch of shades. I got mine on Yes

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Speaker 2: Style for twelve dollars. I think really good. So if

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Speaker 2: you've got a W Cosmetics near you or jump online,

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Speaker 2: you can try all of these kels. They're going to

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Speaker 2: tell you how to just diy yourself at home. Cleo.

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Speaker 2: I've always wondered if I'm pronouncing that right. Cee l Io.

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Speaker 2: Another Korean brand, hug Lip Blurre Tint Like. The names

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Speaker 2: are so delicious that also just gives you that kind

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Speaker 2: of you. I wish I won one one more. I

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Speaker 2: want to tell you about it, but then I've got

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Speaker 2: to tell you about the best thing I've ever bought

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Speaker 2: from W Cosmetics. To do this with the stuff you've

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Speaker 2: got at home. This is the fue Fwee. I wish

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Speaker 2: it was Fwee lip and cheek blurry pod.

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Speaker 1: I've got that at home.

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Speaker 2: It's so pro so live James got me onto those

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Speaker 2: Who's bed Wednesdays with Sarah Marie. It's kind of like

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Speaker 2: it's like like a moosy so delicious. Yes, but that's

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Speaker 2: the pot. So you'd have to stick your finger in it,

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Speaker 2: which is fine.

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Speaker 1: But could god like, you could kiss it. That's real

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Speaker 1: bad for the battery of it.

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Speaker 2: You could go Also, they're so little you'd have to

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Speaker 2: be magi. You get libs in there.

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Speaker 1: You just get the center, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so weird. Okay, So what I bought is also

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Speaker 2: by Fwee and it is the Fui. It is the Fui.

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Speaker 1: You sound like my three year old me too.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's what I thought. The f wee fingerlike

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Speaker 1: Oh you have brought this in before?

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Speaker 2: Well that was I lost that one, So I've got

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Speaker 2: It's like a little tiny dome made of like silicon

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Speaker 3: Lee loves to shop so much that instead of just

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Speaker 3: using her finger, no, she buys a fake finger.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Firstly, if you are maintaining this look out, you're

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Speaker 2: a beautiful ball gown. I don't know why. You're in

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Speaker 2: then blur it out, then you don't have color and

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Speaker 1: Your beautiful light. Wash my hands.

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Speaker 2: You're in the back of a taxi. Wipes, so I

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Speaker 2: don't have wipe something on my way to my wedding.

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Speaker 2: Also it just the texture is beautiful and so also

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Speaker 1: No, they were all really good to just ten dollars.

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Speaker 2: Everyone needs a finger.

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Speaker 3: Free finger All of like everything that's marketed as blurring

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Speaker 2: It's about how you apply it for a blurred like

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Speaker 3: Would if you could only buy one product, I would

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Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. I'm into it. I think it's flattering.

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Speaker 2: I think it's not too high maintenance like you, Kelly. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So coming up after the break, a question from a

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Speaker 2: to know how thin her products are.

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Speaker 3: I love this question so much. It's diet culture for

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Speaker 1: I love it so much.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you why I don't. Well, I

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Speaker 1: No the question though, I think I question, I do.

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Speaker 2: But I think the theory is silly. Hi.

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Speaker 3: I have a question for Lee and Kelly about layering serums.

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Speaker 3: This is from Lauren. I know the rule is layering

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Speaker 1: Am I crazy? For example, how would I layer the.

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Speaker 3: Noturium advanced multipeptide serum and the larochez A B five

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Speaker 3: I just can't I've been listening to a podcasts for years.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for all of your great content.

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Speaker 2: Would you like me to go first? Or would you

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Speaker 2: like to go first?

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Speaker 1: No, you tell me so. You don't like the theory

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Speaker 1: about thinnest to figure.

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Speaker 2: I think there's just such a huge caveat because someone

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Speaker 2: work it out. She doesn't really need both of these.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to layer that, she might be skin flooding.

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Speaker 2: I understand that. But if you're going to layer the

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Speaker 2: However, it won't be a massive disaster if you do

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Speaker 3: But let's just say that she knows not to use

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Speaker 3: like a retino with a vitamin C. Yeah, but because

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Speaker 3: she's been listening, but which you can, but then there's caveats. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so well I wouldn't use both of those, would you. Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It Also, I think depends on like you say, you're

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Speaker 2: looking at your individual products. But I've got some products

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Speaker 2: that say they're at essence. One feels like water and

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Speaker 2: another one almost feels like a moisturizer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so use common sense then, But if there's two

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Speaker 3: what is the thinnest.

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Speaker 1: I just wouldn't overthink it too much.

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Speaker 2: True, like they're both lovely products. You can do more.

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Speaker 2: Probably better practice is a peptide on first before purely.

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Speaker 3: Hydra, but it's not going to make that much of

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Speaker 3: a difference, so just don't overthink it. It's when something's

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Speaker 3: like obviously thicker that then that's what you just use

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Speaker 2: Well yes, and I guess the oil content because oil

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Speaker 1: Remember you're my little analogy with the water.

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Speaker 2: And it didn't quite wo but it worked at home.

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Speaker 1: When I was practicing.

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Speaker 2: Al Also, I just think listen to your skin, like

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Speaker 2: Kelly was saying, she's really dry. I've got some products

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Speaker 2: at a questable which way you could lay them in

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Speaker 1: But some on they're actually doing it first.

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