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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by PayPal Small Business

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Speaker 1: boot Camp series.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes when you're busier, you actually don't get in the

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Speaker 2: way of yourself quite so much, and you can achieve

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Speaker 2: way more if you sideline the self doubt and just

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Speaker 2: focus on getting shit done. You have to kind of

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Speaker 2: always be in touch with your purpose and your core

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Speaker 2: in order to still get the joy out of it.

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Speaker 2: If you're not going to sell yourself, then who the

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Speaker 2: hell is? So it's your responsibility to do that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories.

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Speaker 2: Of those who found lives. They adore, the good.

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Speaker 1: Bad and ugly, the best and worst.

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Speaker 2: Gay will bear all the facets.

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Speaker 1: Of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful

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Speaker 1: of Sarah, a lawyer turned fun trap and who swapped

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Speaker 1: the suits and heels to co found matcha Maiden and

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Speaker 1: matcha Milk Bar. CZA is a series of conversations on

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Speaker 1: finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,

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Speaker 1: joy and fulfillment along the way. The fact that this

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Speaker 1: chat came in at an hour and a half and

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Speaker 1: we'd already been chatting for more than half an hour

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Speaker 1: before that confirms just how much I enjoy Grace Brennan's

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Speaker 1: company and what a great conversationalist she is. It's not

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Speaker 1: just her fascinating and unique story either, although I did

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Speaker 1: love laboring over all the seemingly unlikely chapters that led

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm for asking questions as much as answering them and

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Speaker 1: learning everything she can about the world around her. I

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Speaker 1: can't entirely recall which parts were on air or off air,

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Speaker 1: but I know we veered well beyond the scope of

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Speaker 1: aspects of the world. She's one of those people I've

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Speaker 1: only chatted to maybe a handful of times now after

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Speaker 1: our PayPal boot camp session a few weeks ago, but

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Speaker 1: who I would love to spend more time with. You

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Speaker 1: may know Grace as the woman behind Buy from the Bush,

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Speaker 1: the movement and now marketplace encouraging consumers in city areas

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Speaker 1: help support small rural businesses. Just six weeks after launching

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Speaker 1: the movement as a hashtag, spurred by the devastating effects

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Speaker 1: of drought on entire communities in the outback, Grace generated

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Speaker 1: a six hundred and sixty percent increase for rural business

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Speaker 1: owners and just four months later that became five million

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Speaker 1: dollars in revenue. Australia Post even noted a forty percent

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Speaker 1: increase in parcel postage in regional areas where they were

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Speaker 1: selling out of parcels to send, and the business has

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Speaker 1: Bush marketplace and booming community supporting rural business owners. And

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Speaker 1: just recently Grace announced a very exciting new element to

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Speaker 1: partnership with PayPal called Big Break, where rural business owners

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Speaker 1: can pitch to win thirty thousand dollars and more in

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Speaker 1: prizes towards their businesses. I know she is an absolute

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Speaker 1: inspiration and incredible human being championing our outback businesses where

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Speaker 1: they needed most. What I loved as always was not

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Speaker 1: only hearing how Grace catapulted into her yay, but how

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Speaker 1: four beautiful kids. That's two episodes recently with a heartthrobed farmer.

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Speaker 1: Take notes, ladies, Grace has so much to share on

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Speaker 1: shifting priorities and your identity, compromise and partnership, stumbling upon

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Speaker 1: I know will steal your heart like she did mine.

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Speaker 1: Grace Brennan, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I'm thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 1: We have been having such a great time that we

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Speaker 2: I've so enjoyed it, but I'm really sorry to have

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Speaker 1: It was an absolute joy, But I cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: a wonderful story and also some very exciting news to share.

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Speaker 1: But as you will know from your deep dive into

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Speaker 1: every episode by asking everyone what the most down tour

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Speaker 1: heard of you through you know, your twenty twenty Australia

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Speaker 1: through the accolades and amazing figures and impact that you've had,

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Speaker 1: it can be really easy to get a really glossy

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Speaker 1: you read other people's bios, it all seems so flushy

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Speaker 1: and wonderful, but you would write yours down as Grace

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Speaker 1: Brennan still finding her feet. I absolutely love that. What

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Speaker 2: I still feel like that. I just feel like my

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Speaker 3: But do you know, I was down to earth. I

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Speaker 2: Down to earth, but I am that person at a

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Speaker 1: So if I didn't already think that we were going

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Speaker 1: Like I will stand near the toilets because that's near

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Always and like I know, like I

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Speaker 1: And I also like, if the tempura prawns needs sauce,

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Speaker 2: Just multiple dips, multiple dip multiple Yeah, do you do

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Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't had a tasting plate in so long.

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Speaker 2: You're so right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're pivoting in all areas of life here, Grace.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, so.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I actually just can't wait to go

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Speaker 1: You're way to eight now. This is the chapter that

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Speaker 1: I love so much, because so many people walk into

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Speaker 1: your life, particularly in your case where your idea has

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Speaker 1: to young Grace Clark, what you were like as a kid.

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Speaker 1: I know you had a childhood of backyard cricket. You

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Speaker 2: Isn't that so nice when somebody brings up the maiden name.

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Speaker 2: and we got We used to get chatting. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: the rest is. Ye, we fell in love, but I

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Speaker 2: I love, but there was like a list. You had

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Speaker 2: a list of crushes. There was never just one exclusive crush.

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Speaker 2: So he was on the lead.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got to keep your options open.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've created a really wonderful way to communicate

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Speaker 1: that it's a beautiful place. You've got four children growing

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Speaker 2: here because nobody wants to sing it from the rooftops

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00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 2: about how great we are and what we do and

438
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 2: like agriculture and Australia is incredible in terms of where

439
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 2: it sits globally. So I just think that that's the

440
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 2: story worth telling, and sometimes it takes an outsider's eye

441
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 2: to present that in a way that people in the

442
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 2: city will understand and get. Yeah.

443
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I also love looking at from you know,

444
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 1: the big move to Warren and then your career path

445
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: shifting towards agriculture and growing the skills that you would

446
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: need to then found by from the bush I think

447
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: four years after that. It's so interesting how that started

448
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: to brew. Like it wasn't something you just arrived and went,

449
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's drought. Oh I need to spread

450
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: this to the world. You know. It was like again

451
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 1: one of those things that people's big yay And as

452
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the very start of your yay, not you know,

453
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: anywhere near the end starts as a small seed and

454
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: little bits. You know, you started by getting a job

455
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: in agriculture. I think it was addraft that you worked

456
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: out for four years before by from the Bush was

457
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: even a concept. So can you take us through that period?

458
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Speaker 1: It was that four years at a draft when you'd

459
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: first moved or were you? Were you still in Sydney then?

460
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: And then how did sort of that? Two thousand and

461
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: I think it was October the sixteenth, twenty nineteen that

462
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: buy from the Ball my God researched, Oh God, you

463
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: mean stalker ish?

464
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. I'm into it. So I think

465
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 2: I was saying before that I subconsciously shaped a career

466
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: around living out here, and what I was really interested

467
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: in was how to you use I did a management degree,

468
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: but focusing on the leisure industry, so tourism, the art, sport,

469
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: and what I was interested in is how they can

470
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: be used as a mechanism for community development. So when

471
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 2: I moved out here, I moved toward a community development

472
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: job and specifically working with Indigenous youth engagement, so working

473
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 2: in kind of at risk youth, and then had a

474
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: side way step into kind of athlete development, so again

475
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: trying to create meaningful pathways from remote western New South

476
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 2: Wales through to high performance sport. But still my passion

477
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: was kind of the community development side of that, and

478
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: then a bit more youth work in there too, And

479
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: I was on maternity lead from this youth work job,

480
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: and this girl who works with my husband was pitching

481
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: this idea of ag Draft, which was an employment platform

482
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: to connect employers in agriculture with job seekers. And labor

483
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: in agriculture is a global problem, It's an enormous problem.

484
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 2: And she was pitching this idea and I hadn't had

485
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 2: anything to do with startups, nothing to do with pitching,

486
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: but I was super interested because we had talked about

487
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: this labor problem and actually we kind of stewed on

488
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: a solution of our own. And I worked on this

489
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 2: pitch with her, and weirdly, I think a startup and

490
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: community work have a bit in common. You're trying to

491
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: get buy in in both instances. So I was helping

492
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: her with her pitch, and in the end she won

493
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: this competition, she launched the business, and then I started

494
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: working for her and eventually kind of became a co

495
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: founder in that online platform. And that was my first

496
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: fora both into agriculture but also that startup online platform

497
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: space and learned so much. I'd worked in a really

498
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: not for profit kind of area before, and this was

499
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: absolutely for profit. You were kind of heckling to get

500
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: capital investment. I remember going to this pitch competition and

501
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: she used these words like iterate and pivot. I was like,

502
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: do we need to mention that because I feel like

503
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: that's just like a BITWANKI And she was like, no, no, no,

504
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: we need to mention it. Okay, But anyway, Yeah, it

505
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: was a steep learning curve. It was also this great

506
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: experience of working with a female partner and how that works.

507
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 2: I didn't know her that well before, but we worked

508
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: really well together. And then, weirdly, I think By from

509
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 2: the Bush was a combination of that startup online space

510
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 2: and that my community development work coming together.

511
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: Was that so long winded?

512
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: Sorry, oh my god, it was the shortest winded ever? No,

513
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, your story is fascinating, trust me. I

514
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: no long winded, And that was not It was so

515
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: articulate and eloquent. You were such a good speaker. I

516
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: start to get goosebumps around this point of any episode

517
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: where all those dots start to come together, Like even

518
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: if you might have at that time not really known

519
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: what direction all these jobs were going into. Lots of

520
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: sideways moves, lots of upskilling, but again not really clear

521
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: what it was ultimately going to be. For that now

522
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: knowing what you have done with that, it all makes

523
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: sense looking back at the skills that you were acquiring

524
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: in the startup land and then also in pitching and

525
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: stuff like, it all comes together. But I love reminding

526
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: people who are in the chapter now where they don't

527
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: get where they're going, just reminding them, don't worry, they're

528
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: just stop and everything will start to connect eventually, because

529
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: then you were able to turn it into something that

530
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: has become so you know, pervasive in society. Yeah, I

531
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: feel like life is just one big skill acquisition journey,

532
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: isn't it. And that's what I kind of I kind

533
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: of felt like my life out here was I was

534
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: going to try and find meaningful work to do around

535
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: my life.

536
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 2: In the middle of nowhere, And of course now it's

537
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: led me to something super significant. And I couldn't be

538
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: doing this unless I lived where I lived, So absolutely

539
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: what you just said is true, and I think I

540
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: have this because I share an office with a few

541
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: other women in a small town of Warren, and they

542
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: have watched me. I've worked in that office when I

543
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: worked for a youth foundation organizing you know, skate skateboarding

544
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: events for young people. Then into agg draft and you know,

545
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: trying to make a go of it, trying to make

546
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: a go of this startup, trying to get customers, trying

547
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: to prove the concept. It's such a lonely, lonely path,

548
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: that startup world. And then and then Buy from the

549
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: Bush and it's like this incredible instant success. And always

550
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: the journalists say, oh my god, it's such a simple idea.

551
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: Did you ever expect it? Would? You know? It's been

552
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: this overnight success. And my friend kind of interrupted me

553
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: one day and said, every time I hear that, I

554
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: want to say, well, that's the short version, you know,

555
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: because she had watched this evolution, which you know I

556
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 2: haven't been conscious of, but absolutely, you just bit by

557
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: bit piecing it together. And then what the wonderful thing

558
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: about Buy from the Bush was that I could just

559
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: be my absolute self and use the little bits and

560
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: pieces I'd gathered from elsewhere and apply them, you know,

561
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: without restraint. In this context and have an impact. I

562
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: think possibly when I've been doing other things, I've been

563
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: holding back one part of myself because I thought, oh,

564
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, that's not appropriate in this context, or that's

565
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: not relevant, or I don't know enough to kind of

566
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: speak up. And then this comes along and I can

567
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: just go, well, I you know, I don't have to

568
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: be anyone but a mother for a farmer's wife who's

569
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: got a little bit of experience here and there, and

570
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: I'm trying to create change. And I think it frees

571
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: you up, kind of tap into your talents.

572
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my gosh. And that's where this wayta concept

573
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: just makes me so excited, because most of the time,

574
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: when people do find their thing and the thing that

575
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: does take off, it's when they stop curtailing parts of

576
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: themselves because of expectation or circumstance or self doubt or

577
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You can't find the job that suited

578
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: for you until you let who you really are actually

579
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: come out. Otherwise, how can anything suit you because no

580
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: one knows who you actually are. Yes, So I love

581
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: that so much, And I also love the way that

582
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: you've framed it. A couple of times now around you

583
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: were trying to build a life and a career and

584
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: a pathway that suited where you lived. And most people

585
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: don't do it that way. They don't do it in

586
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: that order. They make the rest of their life work

587
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: around what they think success is and they try and

588
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: reverse engineer from there. And it's unusual for someone to

589
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: have chosen a lifestyle and chosen a family situation or

590
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: chosen location and then have built their dreams within that framework.

591
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: It's quite a different way to come at things. But

592
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: I think your story is amazing for proving that it

593
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: doesn't preclude you from finding something that you could never

594
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: have found in Sydney. You can't found buy from the

595
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: bush from Sydney. You wouldn't have even had the insight

596
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: into the communities that you would have if you were there.

597
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: So I just think that's really beautiful that you're, you know,

598
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: exactly where you're meant to be. And obviously the person

599
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: who was the right person to bring this message to life,

600
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: even though it did just start as a hashtag and

601
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: has now become this gigantic movement. So talk us through that.

602
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: You know that twenty nineteen moment at the kitchen table

603
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: and where the idea started, Like I know, it was

604
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: really driven by the impact of drought, which in Melbourne,

605
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're always complaining about how much it rains

606
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: and how wet it is and have really such a

607
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: big detachment from actually the impact of drought on farmers.

608
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: How did that kind of start to spur you on

609
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: to start this?

610
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we where I was there, we've been in

611
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: about three years of drought and it was it was

612
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: really about as bad as it gets on in our

613
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: little patch of country. But you know, in Queensland there'd

614
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: been communities in six years of drought, and at times

615
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: there was media coverage here and there. But then what

616
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: I noticed was, you know, all of a sudden, maybe

617
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: the Hunter Valley was dry and you know, just outside

618
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: of Sydney, and then you know, media agencies were sending

619
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: people an hour out of Sydney or two hours out

620
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: of Sydney and getting a reporter to sound on like

621
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: dry earth and starting to talk about the drought. But

622
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: through these really basic frame that didn't really connect with

623
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: me as a you know, as somebody who was involved

624
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: in farming and somebody experiencing it, and so you know,

625
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: I stewed on that for a while and over the years.

626
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: You know, you don't start complaining about drought in the

627
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: first year because that's just what farming is. Everyone's used

628
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: to that. The second year, it's like, you know, this

629
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: is a bit tough, but this is what farming is.

630
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: And then and in this third year, I just you know,

631
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: I was kind of, I think, because of my city sensibility,

632
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: was wondering whether this is as bad as I thought.

633
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: It was, Like, I was like, this is horrendous, Like

634
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: there is no joy in the day here. It's incredibly

635
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: stressful because you know, cash flow drives up. People are

636
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: kind of asset rich and cash poor, often in agriculture,

637
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: so they're sitting on really valuable assets, but they can't

638
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: make money out of them. They have to keep spending

639
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: money on them when it doesn't rain, and it's just

640
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: this accumulative stress. Then that ripples through the community because

641
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: things like fundraisers at school are canceled because people don't

642
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: really want to spend money on tickets. But you don't

643
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: really want to acknowledge that that's why they're being canceled.

644
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: You know, shop fronts start to close, and the shop

645
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: owners might not go to the trade fair to buy

646
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: new wars because nobody's coming in to buy their old

647
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: stock anyway. The hairdresser stops getting clients. Things are kind

648
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: of slow. You can really easily get in. People don't

649
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: buy as much like groceries. There's just these little things

650
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: that add up, and I think, you know, people stop

651
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: looking at each other in the eyes quite so much,

652
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: and you don't smile as much. And if you get together,

653
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: you kind of talk about these dust storms because it's awful,

654
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: but also you don't really want to talk about depression.

655
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: And then so one day a couple of things happened.

656
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: I heard this radio interview and it was between the

657
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: Prime Minister and a journalist and it was so combative,

658
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: and I kind of understood it from both angles. One

659
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: was trying to make the Prime Minister accountable and saying,

660
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: you know, you wouldn't even know there was a drought

661
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: on in Australia, and then the Prime Minister was saying,

662
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: but look at the money we're giving, you know, And

663
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: all of it was just ignoring the big reality, which

664
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: is this human cost and this burden of stress that

665
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: was being carried by households and especially women. And all

666
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: the vision was men in paddocks and dying sheep, and

667
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: I just felt that this community experience was possibly not

668
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: understood by people in the city because of course we

669
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: weren't telling the story. And then I, in the course

670
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: of two days, I ran into it three people who

671
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: mentioned suicide, like worry about suicide among their family members,

672
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: and I stopped and thought, no, it's not because I'm

673
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: from the city. This is actually really bad. People just

674
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: are tight lipped here. So I thought, there's nothing to lose.

675
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm just going to start sharing all these incredible businesses

676
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: that exist out here and encouraging people in the city

677
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 2: to do Christmas shopping from them. And it was as

678
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: simple as like literally. At first, I tried to write

679
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: a letter in response to this radio interview. I thought,

680
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: now I've got to tell people what it's really like,

681
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: and then thought, what the hell is the letter going

682
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: to do? And like, who is it to? Who am

683
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: I sending this to? So instead I kind of closed

684
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: the letter and opened Canva and created a logo and

685
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: then posted in Instagram. And this friend who I'd mentioned

686
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: it to, like, I said to Millie or will you

687
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: help me with this? I've got this weird idea, and

688
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: she said, yeah, I'll help you, and the next minute

689
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: she's getting friend requests from the bulls. She's like, whoa, Okay,

690
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: this is happening, and so it just started from there.

691
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: But that was the idea that I wanted to kind

692
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: of reframe the conversation around drought to include the impact

693
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: on community, on small business, on women, but also in

694
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: the same breath, to celebrate this like hustle that was happening.

695
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: Because what happens is that the cash flow from agriculture

696
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: drives up, and so people not even working in farming

697
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: are affected, obviously, and the impact of that is that

698
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: women often those supplementary incomes that were maybe a hobby

699
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Speaker 2: or a side project start to become like the primary income,

700
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 2: and so they're drive and they're almost their position within

701
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: the household becomes more of a breadwinner, which is quite

702
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: a significant shift. So capturing that but obviously in a

703
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Speaker 2: light and accessible way and just saying here, here's a

704
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Speaker 2: nice handbag. Do you want to buy it? And you'll

705
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Speaker 2: be helping a rural community if you do.

706
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730
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Speaker 1: and compassion as well, and just excitement that this has

731
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: done what you had hoped, but probably well beyond what

732
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Speaker 1: you had ever dreamed could be possible. But I think

733
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: why it's so powerful is that often you do get

734
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: these human interest stories and you'll see you'll get a

735
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: little inkling of how tough it actually is and the

736
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: ripple effects through the community beyond farming. But then there's

737
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: this big divide of what can I do, Like even

738
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: if I wanted to donate money, it's like, well where

739
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: and how do I make sure it gets to that farmer?

740
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Speaker 1: And how do I impact that actual problem? And so

741
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: you've pared storytelling with action towards helping the problem, you

742
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like you've made this direct way

743
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: of people to they get the emotion sparked, but then

744
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: they can do something with it. And there are so

745
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: many people who would want to help you, but just

746
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: not have the platform to do it. That's the biggest

747
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: problem in most cases is not the lack of compassion,

748
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: it's a lack of what do I do with that compassion?

749
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: And to see I mean I was reading some of

750
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: the stats again and I just nearly wanted to cry

751
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: that in six weeks there was a six hundred and

752
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: sixty percent increase for business owners from creating by from

753
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: the Bush as a hashtag, and five million dollars in

754
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: revenue that you had generated in just four months that

755
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been there. And I think even Australia Post

756
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: reported a forty percent increase in parcel postage in regional

757
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: areas to the point where the packages were selling out

758
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: because people like there was just no precedent for that

759
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: kind of volume for businesses and that, I mean, I

760
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: don't know how you don't cry every day just thinking

761
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: about that alone. You are just extraordinary for like making

762
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: that happen. And I know it probably doesn't think him

763
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: very often for you, but but I'm sure when it does,

764
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: like that is just amazing.

765
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 2: It is amazing. I do like to just think about

766
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: it every now and again because it has been such

767
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: a whirlwind. But those first four months leading into Christmas

768
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: and beyond were just something. I mean, if you ever

769
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: needed a reminder of how good people are, we were

770
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: at the cold face of that, Like it was just

771
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: I couldn't even share. I kept saying to you it

772
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: I wish people could just see my inbox and see

773
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: the offers of help and the support and the kind

774
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: of joy that people were getting from being involved in

775
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: this community movement. I think people like a community driven

776
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: response that's going to actually enact change. So being kind

777
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: of a conduit to that good will was just so

778
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: rewarding and still is.

779
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: And I think it's also we talked about this actually

780
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: in the PayPal webinar that we did the other day,

781
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: just in terms of community building as well. Is that

782
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: I think when you're building a business, a lot of

783
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: people assume that you need to be totally reinventing the

784
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: wheel every time, Like you can't start a business or

785
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: you can't roll with an idea unless you've invented something new,

786
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: which in this day and age is very very rare

787
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: unless it's a very minute scientific discovery or like there's

788
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: not much that hasn't been rediscovered. But being a conduit

789
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: that solves a problem as a service is almost more

790
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: impactful because that's the disconnect between problem and solution. Is

791
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: often more the problem than like a lack of having

792
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: a particular product. And I love that you've built a feeling.

793
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: You've built a brand, you've built a sense of belonging

794
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: without having to physically create a product, because you've created

795
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: a community. And I think that's really beautiful as well.

796
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: So if anyone is sitting on an idea that doesn't

797
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, but you know, I'm just connecting A

798
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: with B, well that's what a business is, connecting A

799
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Speaker 1: with B.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, there wasn't need. There were multiple needs that this

801
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: tapped into. And there was a need on the farming side,

802
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: but there was also this need in the city of

803
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: as you say, somebody to facilitate them wanting to help

804
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: and wanting to support. They just needed to be enabled

805
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: to do that. And that's what this did. And I

806
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: think even further to your point, we didn't have a product.

807
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: It was just a hopeful movement. And then we have

808
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: now developed an online marketplace to kind of build infrastructure

809
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: around this community and around this movement. And in some ways,

810
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: you know, this was never meant to be a business

811
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: for me. It was a response to a crisis. But

812
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: you know, in business theory, what we did was build

813
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: value and build that social proof and that brand loyalty,

814
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: and then launch a business model that hopefully still is

815
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: true to that value and that you know, why people

816
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: joined with us in the first place. It's just a

817
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: revenue generating model now that will sustain our activity going forward,

818
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: you know. So it has been interesting also, I mean

819
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: that's I don't know whether it is that interesting to you,

820
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: but for me that quite a fascinating challenge and transition

821
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: from this hope movement to business and getting you know,

822
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: all the nuts and bolts of that. And we've had

823
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: this amazing support from PayPal in order for us, you know,

824
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: to do that, but the psyche and the mindset around it,

825
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: you have to kind of always be in touch with

826
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: your purpose and your core in order to still get

827
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: the joy out of it.

828
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think that's something that you're so good

829
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: at speaking about. And it was interesting before we started

830
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: recording the novelty or like how quickly this is skyrocketed

831
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: from a movement to a business makes you feel like

832
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: you're disqualified from talking about certain things, but I think

833
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: it actually makes your opinions more relevant because we are

834
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: in such a time of rapidly changing environments, inability really

835
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: to plan much further ahead than a couple of months,

836
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: constantly dealing with fast changes and uncertainty and rolling with

837
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: like what's the next iteration? Stay in the bush? And

838
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: then you've got another new exciting project coming and like

839
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: everyone has been thrown into that environment now, So that

840
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: makes peaceeople like you who have just been through it

841
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: and are continuing to go through it. Your opinion is

842
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: probably what we need to be the loudest right now,

843
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: because you have gone into a time without having a

844
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: real plan and then having to just figure out how

845
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: best to continue that why in constantly changing circumstances. So

846
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: feel free to also weave in some of the nata here,

847
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: like the fast pace, the self doubt, the burnout, the

848
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: overwhelm of choice of like which direction to go in?

849
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: You know, how have you gone on to decide marketplace

850
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: and then stay in the bush? And then also, I

851
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: hear you have a very exciting new project that you

852
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: might want to introduce here as well. Oh yeah, insert here,

853
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: insert here TBC, which I don't know about. It was

854
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: literally in the notes TBC because it comes out tomorrow

855
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: at the time of recording, it will be out by

856
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: the time we release this. So yeah, talk us through

857
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: that next.

858
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Speaker 3: Yes, BESTV Big Break.

859
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: But do you want me to go in bed now,

860
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: I know, I feel like I've got a bit to

861
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: say before I get to that. So I think the

862
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: something that came up as you were saying, and it

863
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: definitely is my nata. I'm really embracing your language.

864
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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you.

865
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 2: But it's that idea that I have lived life wanting

866
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: to underpromise and over deliver, like that's kind of my approach.

867
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: And I also am acutely aware, like whatever context, I mean,

868
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm quite aware of what I don't know. So I

869
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: think some people aren't built like this, Like they're confident

870
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: in what they know and that is enough. But even

871
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: if I'm confident in what I know, I am often thinking, okay, well,

872
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: but there's so much I don't know and there's so

873
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: much yet to find out, And I think that that

874
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: mindset is not a particularly positive one in some business context.

875
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: I think, you know, sometimes if you're not going to

876
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: sell yourself, then who the hell is? So it's your

877
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: responsibility to do that and imposter syndrome. For me, it's

878
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: definitely a thing in a work context, but specifically it's

879
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: that thing, Well, I'm not an expert in this or

880
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: that there are people in the room who would know

881
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: more than me, so I'll just sit quietly and absorb

882
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: their wonder and insight, you know. And actually what I

883
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: learn more often than not is that I know more

884
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: than I think I know, and my perspective, my insight

885
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: is valuable and absolutely kind of there's a place for

886
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: it at the table. And it's been the steepest learning

887
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: curve you know, in eighteen months because straight away, like

888
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: really really early on, we were working with Facebook and

889
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: PayPal and big multinational corporations who wanted to partner with us.

890
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: And in that moment, there's no like when you're just

891
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: one person and a friend helping you, there's no departments

892
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: you can deflect questions too, like it's you having to Okay,

893
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: we'll talk about pr in this breath, we'll talk about

894
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: legal in this breath. Will do some creative assets on

895
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 2: the weekend, like just every little aspect of And every

896
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: entrepreneur probably knows this, but for me, the pace that

897
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: you mentioned was actually really beneficial because there was no

898
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: time to stew on that idea that like, you don't

899
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: know as much as these people. You just had to do, do, do, do,

900
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: Like if I was asked to speak. Everything in me

901
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: wanted to say no, but I was on this forward

902
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: motion that I just was like, okay, yeah, because that's

903
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: going to create more noise around by from the Bush,

904
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: So I've got to do that. I've just my goal

905
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 2: was so clearly reach and impact that no self indulgent

906
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: nerves was going to trump that in a way, you know,

907
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't more important. So I consistently battle with that

908
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: idea of wanting an expert in the room, like I

909
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: just want to defer to an expert all the time.

910
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: I want to defer to Dad, probably like Dad, tell

911
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: me what's going on here? But yeah, learning that you

912
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: are actually the decision maker and pushing back when something

913
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: doesn't feel right, I'm still kind of learning to do that.

914
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: But I have had really fortunate experiences with partners and

915
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: people helping me along the way and early on like

916
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: what also what needed to happen. And I think this

917
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: is probably interesting to people. When Buy from the Bush

918
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: did take off, there was heaps of offers of help,

919
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: and my instinct naturally was to.

920
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 3: Go, oh, chill out, like I'll.

921
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 2: Do this, like I can handle this, and I don't

922
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: know you, like can I really rely on you. But

923
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: actually what I learned was output is just exponentially increased

924
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: when you start to tap into two different people's gifts

925
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: and skill sets. So like Georgie Robertson, who is a

926
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: PR guru from Waga, got in touch with me about

927
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: an opportunity early on, and then she was like, I

928
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: think I can help you with this, like do you

929
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: want to put my name on the bio and say

930
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: like PR And I'm like no, no, because then I

931
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: look like really professional. She's like, no, trust me, I

932
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: think you might need it. So and then suddenly I

933
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: had this like amazing insight from her and a partner

934
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: in crime basically. And then a family friend said I

935
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: know how to build websites, like do you want me

936
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: to build it? And I was like no, no, no, And

937
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: then next week, actually, oh my god, can you And

938
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: we you know, we played together as kids, but we

939
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: didn't know each other that well as adults, and suddenly

940
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: we became, you know, work collaborators, and that has been

941
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: a great learning for me. Just tap into like say yes,

942
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: and then if it feels right and feels good, and

943
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 2: then it's just such a joy when you do work

944
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: in collaboration with somebody who's really great. So I am

945
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: jumping all over the place here, but I think a

946
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: couple of learnings that sometimes when you're busier, you actually

947
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: don't get in the way of yourself quite so much,

948
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: and you can achieve way more if you know, sideline

949
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: the self doubt and just focus on getting shit done.

950
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: And that certainly worked for me. I actually think, you know,

951
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: a year on from launch, when it was down to

952
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: the business end of you know, establishing a marketplace and

953
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: suddenly asking people to pay for something that we've been

954
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: doing for free, and you know, a slight shift in

955
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: the relationship I had with the Bush businesses we showcase

956
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: all of that. I tend to get kind of bogged

957
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: down in because I really value relationships and value this

958
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: community we've built, and I always want to make sure

959
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: I'm delivering value. And actually you also need to make

960
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: sure that you're making money so that you can survive.

961
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: And I mean burnout is like I'm burnt out. I

962
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: was burnt out like a while ago. I'm just running

963
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 2: on empty, if I'm being honest. So I think that, yeah,

964
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: there's so much nay, and it's just finding those moments

965
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: in the day where you think, oh, this is quite fun,

966
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: and if there's enough of those moments, it counterbalances the stress,

967
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: because god, yeah, running a business is stressful.

968
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: Such a shit show, but such a rewarding one. But

969
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: I also I love what you said about the fact

970
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: that just not giving your self doubt room or time

971
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: really to kind of magnify itself sometimes the pace of

972
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: the growth of a business. And we had this in

973
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: the first year of Match a Maiden, when it was

974
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: exponential and it was that kind of crazy rush. Feel

975
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: the same, very very fortunate that I didn't have a

976
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: minute to think to double guest anything because there was

977
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: just no time. But I think if you're not forced

978
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: into that pace, you have to create that same lack

979
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: of room for self doubt to fester.

980
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: Interesting, you know what I mean.

981
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: Like, even if your business isn't moving so fast that

982
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: you don't have a choice, I think if you just

983
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: rip the band aid, Like by the time I started

984
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: the podcast, I didn't have that kind of speed or

985
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: demand for the podcast, but I recreated that kind of

986
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: pace by just buying the equipment and then booking a guest,

987
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: and then booking the next guest, and kind of creating

988
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: a pace that didn't allow me to think about it

989
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: too much, because otherwise, if you don't rip the band aid,

990
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: like you can create that speed of action to stop

991
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: self doubt coming in for as long as you need to.

992
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: I have often wondered that I've genuinely wondered whether you

993
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: can simulate the experience because it felt so organic, like

994
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: it felt that I was doing this really good thing,

995
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: So self doubt see you later, like it's going to

996
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: get in the way bouncing from one thing to the

997
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: next to the next. And often thought if you thought

998
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: about your commercial business, because at the time it wasn't

999
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: If I had applied this attitude to ad draft, what

1000
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: could I have achieved if I really just thought the

1001
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: purpose of why you're doing this is so important that

1002
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: you need to just swallow any kind of doubt or

1003
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: barrier and just push through and push on, Like what

1004
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: could I have achieved? And I think I will take

1005
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: this into anything I do in the future. But it's

1006
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: interesting way you just put it that you actually have

1007
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: to make yourself And I think, actually that is my

1008
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: new approach to work, because when new projects come on,

1009
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: I do just kind of tumble into it and tumble

1010
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: through it because then you don't get the sweats, because

1011
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: you know those sweats that stop you from making the

1012
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: phone call.

1013
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: Oh.

1014
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I almost think of it now when I start

1015
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: something new as just barreling at it so hard and

1016
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: so fast that by the time you do slow down

1017
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: enough for self doubt to creep in, and it's too late.

1018
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: Like I've kind of hacked my own system by just

1019
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: going so far that by the time it does hit me,

1020
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: I've already committed and now I can't back at like

1021
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: I've stopped myself from being able to back out. It's

1022
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: almost like manipulating yourself into doing something that part of

1023
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: you doesn't want to do, but the other part of

1024
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: you does want to do.

1025
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Yes.

1026
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: In fact, that a learning from one of your other

1027
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: podcasts that Osha Gunsberg shared about, you know that thing

1028
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: that the brain does where you if you push against

1029
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: something that you're afraid of, it actually grows and grows,

1030
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: the fear grows and grows. Or I'm paraphrasing and making

1031
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: it worse. But God, that resonated with me because my

1032
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: husband doesn't. He doesn't have that, Like if he has

1033
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: to make a bad phone call, he'll make it first.

1034
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 2: He'll pick up the phone and make it. And I've

1035
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: always admired that in him, and I have always thought, God,

1036
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: I need some of that in me, because I will

1037
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: think I'll get to that, I'll get to that.

1038
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: Tough phone call. But the tough phone call is so.

1039
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: Much easier if you do it in the beginning of

1040
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: the day to the end because the anxiety that has

1041
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: built up through the day.

1042
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and it festers.

1043
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, totally.

1044
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: So tell us about this exciting new project which is

1045
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: happening too.

1046
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't even insert it. You.

1047
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: I love that so much. It's clear that your passion

1048
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: driven rather than like sales first, do you know what

1049
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean? You're passionate about the story.

1050
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: First, Well, I am equally passionate about this cool idea

1051
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: that we've got off the ground. So the idea is

1052
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: it's called BFTB Big Bro Buy from the Bush, Big

1053
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: Break Competition, and it's a pitching competition for anybody in

1054
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: rural Australia with an idea. I know, I'm watching you

1055
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: like a if they want to launch a product, to

1056
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: launch a business, or if they have one and they

1057
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: just want to scale up. They've got this kind of

1058
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: you know how you just need a little bit of

1059
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: something something to get you over a hurdle and get

1060
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: you to the next stage. So, sponsored by PayPal, we

1061
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: are launching tomorrow. There's incredible prizes, like sixty thousand dollars

1062
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: worth of prizes up for grabs and you've just got

1063
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: it all you have to do. It might be the

1064
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: most scary thing you've ever heard, but it's just you

1065
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 2: have to make a selfie video and pitch your great

1066
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: idea to us and we're going to share it with

1067
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: our followers and there's a cool judges that will tell

1068
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: you about later, probably by the time this goes to it.

1069
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: You can just find out on the website. But if

1070
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: you're rural and you've got this great idea, what we're

1071
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: really looking for is a business concept that will have

1072
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: positive impact on your community or rural Australia as a whole.

1073
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 2: Because obviously Buy from the Bush is a great evidence

1074
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: of you know, when people invest in business in the bush,

1075
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: incredible ripple effects flow through communities and we really believe that.

1076
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: So that's it. It's a pitching comp for rural Australians

1077
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: to get there to build legs around their business I'm

1078
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: really excited and we're gonna have lots of fun with it.

1079
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what an amazing initiative. I'm so excited

1080
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: and so excited to hear from the businesses that pitch

1081
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: because oh my gosh, how exit exciting.

1082
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can vote. There's a people's choice awards,

1083
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: so let you know about that.

1084
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's the idea, because I think a couple.

1085
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: Of things like one is obviously in my experience at

1086
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: that draft pitching for capital. When you're in rural or

1087
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: remote Australia, you're often outside of those networks and you

1088
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: don't like bump into important people with buckets of cash

1089
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: that might want to back your idea. And I remember

1090
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: having this meeting in the Startup harb in Sydney, which

1091
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 2: is like a you know, a big building full of startups,

1092
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 2: and I pitched to this government agency and he said

1093
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: to me, look, if you were in this building with

1094
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: that kind of traction and those numbers, you'd be funded

1095
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: by now. And I just thought it was a moment

1096
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: where I thought, I think I believe you, like I

1097
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: think if I if this business was being run from

1098
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: from Sydney, we'd be off and running and how ridiculous

1099
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: because we were a business focused on agriculture and we

1100
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: absolutely should be able to grow from rural and remote Australia.

1101
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: So it's kind of those beginnings I think that's informing

1102
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: this competition and I just think we as rural Australians,

1103
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: we need to stand up and pitch ourselves, pitch our

1104
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: business and kind of sell the Bush even more so.

1105
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: That's why the slightly uncomfortable factor of standing in front

1106
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: of your camera and giving a selfie video as part

1107
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: of the competition, that's very deliberate because I think put

1108
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: your face out there and sell it and you know,

1109
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: find some customers when you do.

1110
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what a brilliant, brilliant next chapter for

1111
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: Buy from Bush. And I'll absolutely make sure to put

1112
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: all the links to all the details for any rural

1113
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: businesses or potential businesses who are listening, and I think

1114
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: that's such a great idea as well, to get them

1115
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: out of the comfort zone to do a pitch, because

1116
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: even practicing on a video is once you've done it once,

1117
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: then you can do it twice. Then the third time

1118
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: isn't scary, and then the fourth time like it only

1119
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: gets easier than more you do it. So I'm so excited.

1120
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't wait to see what this

1121
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: does for the community.

1122
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: Same here, I really am. It's like this fun. At

1123
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, we were kind of brainstorming.

1124
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: We had all the team together brainstorming and thinking about

1125
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: what we could do, and this came up and it

1126
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: just energized to everyone. We're just sew into it. So

1127
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: to see it actually going live, I mean, there's so

1128
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: much I need to do before it actually goes live,

1129
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: but bring it on.

1130
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: So fun, Oh how wonderful. Well, I don't see how

1131
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: there's going to be any answers to the next section playta,

1132
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: which is your identity outside of all the things that

1133
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: you're doing, because I don't know how with four kids

1134
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: and all these projects on the schedule that you've got

1135
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: any time. But I think it is something that maybe

1136
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: not so much at the very beginning, or there are

1137
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: definitely times of your business where leisure and joy and

1138
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: downtime does sort of take a little bit of a backseat,

1139
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: But I think it is also important just for freshness

1140
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: of perspective as well and motivation to get away from

1141
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Every now and then and just have

1142
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: moments where you forget what time it is or you're

1143
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: distract from the to do list. Whether it's you know,

1144
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: a long puzzle for hours, or if it's five minutes

1145
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: of lighting a candle, you know, whatever it is. It

1146
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: looks different for everyone, but I think play is something

1147
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: that's really important in our lives. Is there anything you

1148
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: do just to play? Just that you allow yourself to

1149
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: waste time with even small things in all your spare time.

1150
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: Exactly, My leisure management degree never comes up because it's

1151
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: the most random degree anybody could ever choose. But we

1152
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: did study the sociology of play and the idea that women,

1153
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: I know, women especially mothers, often suffer from not having

1154
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: those really clear to find kind of borders or parameters

1155
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: between work and play, And that is certainly my life.

1156
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: Like often my play is listening to a podcast while folding,

1157
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: or even sometimes it's kind of those you know, elements

1158
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: of service that women do, like visiting a family member

1159
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: or something and having a cup of tea is leisure,

1160
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: but it's also because you think that that, you know,

1161
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: that'd be a nice thing to do for the family member,

1162
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: So it's really interesting, like is there room for play

1163
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: in my life at the moment, not a lot. I

1164
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: do love a bath and I love a swim Like

1165
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: if I'm swimming, it's like your childlike when you're swimming,

1166
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: aren't you? So for me that's the best. But also

1167
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: just like quite random to share. But I'm going to

1168
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: because it's so fun. I just recently with no time

1169
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: to do it at all, but because I feel like

1170
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 2: this play element is so important and making a choice

1171
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: around like some spare time activity that makes me happy.

1172
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: A friend and I, in lieu of a twenty year

1173
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: reunion because a twenty years school re union has been

1174
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: canceled this year because of Delta, the Delta variant, we

1175
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: are making a podcast in loeui of a reunion, so

1176
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: we're like catching up with people over the airwaves. How

1177
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: fun is that?

1178
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: That's so much fun.

1179
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: Just started on Saturday and interviewing people, and I just

1180
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: left feeling so on top of the world because we've

1181
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: had these giggles, these school induced giggles. So school friends

1182
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: are kind of by play as well. If I could

1183
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: say that I love that and any creative pursuits.

1184
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: I also think it's really interesting that there are always

1185
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: things that you haven't commercialized like that have no real

1186
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: productivity outcome, Like you're doing a podcast, but you're not

1187
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: doing a podcast to get a million listeners. You're doing

1188
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: it to tell stories because you guys are replacing a reunion,

1189
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: you know. And that's like in so many categories of thinking,

1190
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: that's a waste of time, Like you could be using

1191
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: that for your business, you could be using that to

1192
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: listen to a business podcast, you know. But it's not

1193
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: a waste of time because it allows you to have

1194
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: the giggles that you need to get back to doing

1195
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: your work when you eventually do go back to doing

1196
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: your work, Which is why I think play is as

1197
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: unproductive as it feels in the moment, it's actually one

1198
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: of the most productive things you could do for yourself.

1199
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And the I mean the value of stepping back,

1200
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: stepping outside of you know, being involved in a business

1201
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: or in a family or in a relationship, like sometimes

1202
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: it's play is like going and seeing somebody other than

1203
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: your immediate family members, isn't it, And so that you

1204
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: can get that separation, and especially when you live on

1205
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: a farm, you know, sometimes you actually just don't see

1206
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: anybody else apart from family. Members for a long time,

1207
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: which is a bit like COVID lockdown. This is our lives.

1208
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I agree with you that the value

1209
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: You're right, those wasted time thing is often the definition

1210
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: of play, isn't it. It's time that you can't put

1211
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 2: a value on, but it does so much good for you.

1212
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, to be totally honest, I don't have a

1213
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: lot of time for play at the moment, but I

1214
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 2: do capture those little moments of like a bath or

1215
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: a swim or creative pursuits, because yeah, it brings me

1216
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: a lot of joy, and joy makes you better at

1217
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: your job, I think absolutely.

1218
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: And what about you and Jack, particularly having been through

1219
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: so many chapters of your lives together. I mean this

1220
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: is good advice for eddie couples, but particularly really long

1221
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: long standing couples. Do you guys do date night? And

1222
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, I imagine like running a farm full time,

1223
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: having four kids and having a booming business and doing

1224
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: all when you are quite isolated together, Like, how do

1225
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: you kind of make that work?

1226
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: God? How do we make it work? I think he

1227
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: is a great listener, which not Oh God, I was

1228
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: going to say not all men are, but that's so unfair,

1229
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: But like I think we have established really great foundations

1230
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 2: over many many years before we carried all this responsibility

1231
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: and workload. But to be god, I don't know that

1232
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: we're doing it very well. So we're lucky that we

1233
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: enjoy the same things, and we like, you know, if

1234
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 2: we take holidays, we enjoy the same things, which is

1235
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: doing very little and doing it together. And you know,

1236
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: a beautiful meal is a highlight for us. Like we

1237
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: celebrate quite little things and don't need much, but we

1238
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: are so challenged by this stage of life, and to

1239
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: present any other kind of reflection of it would be

1240
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: totally a mistruth. So I hope that the little moments

1241
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: of like a cup of tea and you know, somebody

1242
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: told me about and I can't remember where it came from,

1243
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: but about just like the hello and the goodbye in

1244
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: the evening from your partner and how important that was,

1245
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: and that I've never consciously thought it. My dad used

1246
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: to call my mum every day. He ran his own

1247
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 2: business as well, so he worked a lot, and he

1248
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: would call home and I'd answer, and he'd say, how's

1249
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 2: your mum And I'd say, oh, yeah, she's good. He'd

1250
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: say Okay, just tell her I'm checking in. And I'd say,

1251
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: do you want to speak to No? No, no, no, just

1252
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: tell her I'm checking in. He's still annoying me so

1253
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 2: much as a kid, but now I think it was

1254
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: him saying I love you every single day from work,

1255
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: and she used to do things like put lippy on

1256
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: in the evenings before he got home. And I know,

1257
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: like it sounds so, I know in so many contexts

1258
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 2: that would be like, oh, like did she feel she

1259
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: needed to put But it's this shared kind of understanding

1260
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: I think between them of what they bring to the marriage,

1261
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: and I really hope that Jack and I also have that,

1262
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: and we have It's not through a date night or

1263
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: like a ritual, but it's through every day understanding that

1264
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: no matter how terribly hard it is, we are better

1265
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: for each other. And I'm certainly better for having him

1266
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: in my life, and I hope he feels the same daily.

1267
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: I love that so much, and it's so true, particularly

1268
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: in lockdown, which I'm sure seems in some ways similar

1269
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: to you guys being quite isolated in one property together.

1270
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that feel really artificial,

1271
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: like putting LIPSIIC on for each other after fourteen years

1272
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's only awkward if you make it awkward.

1273
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: And it's those little artificial rituals when you have nothing

1274
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 1: else to pin a change in dynamic on, that really

1275
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: make a difference. I mean, we've worked together and lived

1276
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: together and have been doing that for like six years,

1277
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: but two pretty much in lockdown. So if I didn't

1278
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: have those little rituals, like we would literally just be

1279
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,959
Speaker 1: business partners that are housemates, which is not great.

1280
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: Exactly do you listen to Esther Perrell? Are you obsessed

1281
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: with Esther Perrell?

1282
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: No?

1283
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh my god, Oh my god. Please, it's

1284
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: going to change my life, like actually change your life.

1285
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: And I mean maybe not. Let's maybe we'll revisit this

1286
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: and you can tell me whether she did or not.

1287
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 2: But just she's this incredible communicator, and she's she's an

1288
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: expert in erotic intelligence as opposed to emotional intelligence. She's

1289
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: a she's a psychoanalyst who deals in relationships and her

1290
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I won't do her justice by describing her,

1291
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: but what you just said, I think she would echo

1292
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: in some of the things that she says around establishing

1293
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 2: those kind of things that make your relationship more than

1294
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: a friendship and housemates and business partners, I mean working together.

1295
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: I find that so fascinating. And how you manage to

1296
01:04:54,520 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: keep thee the warm and fuzzies so interesting. But please, yeah,

1297
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: whole series on that. Oh my god, you should. I'll

1298
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: interview you on to Survive. You're married.

1299
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: And we mostly I'm not really sure. Let's ask the

1300
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: other guest for feedback.

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01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to say when you just asked

1302
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: me the last question. I don't know. Skip forward ten years.

1303
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: I'll let you know how we did.

1304
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, well, second last question? What are three interesting

1305
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: things about you that don't normally come up in conversation? Which,

1306
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: if Jack were here, I would ask him because they're

1307
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: all those little weird things that you do around the

1308
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: house that like only someone who lives with you would know.

1309
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: But quirky, like a weirder the better.

1310
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: Okay, quirky? Okay. I loved skateboarding when I was little,

1311
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: and like just want people to know that generally that

1312
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: I was a skateboarder.

1313
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: But do you know it's an Olympic sport now you

1314
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: can actually go to Paris in twenty twenty. Wait, what

1315
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: is it?

1316
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1317
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four.

1318
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I was never good like but it was

1319
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: just a you know, I quite liked it. I would

1320
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: never beat the Olympics. But weirdly like I did a

1321
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: I did a photo shoot recently and they were like,

1322
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: we want you to play with your kids. It's like, well,

1323
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 2: can I skateboard? And it was this childhood dream coming true?

1324
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: What else? I cannot stay still to music like I'm

1325
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: I must dance if there's a beat, it's just in

1326
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 2: me and and I think it will be with me

1327
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 2: till death. And this fit random and not really the

1328
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: brief that you just gave me. But I am stewing

1329
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: on this trend of vulnerability, and I think I want

1330
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 2: to push back on it. I think it might be overrated.

1331
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: Is that something that that's that's what it is now?

1332
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 2: I knowation, but I know I'm I'm I'm working on it.

1333
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: I'm kind of getting the words around it. But I

1334
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: feel like this inverted vulnerability, which we're all being, you know,

1335
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: which is being celebrated at the moment, I feel like

1336
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: I want to push back and ask whether that's exactly

1337
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: what we need right now? So that's do we need

1338
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: to go there? Or can I just say that that's

1339
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: one of the interesting.

1340
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: But I think that's fascinating. Is it because of the time,

1341
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 1: Like do you mean that in the context of right

1342
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: now or do you mean in general? Like if there

1343
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a pandemic, would you still think that it wasn't

1344
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: the right time?

1345
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: I feel, well, I can't separate the two because I

1346
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: feel like I've kind of been shaped by crisis through

1347
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 2: my experience recently of drought and then gone into COVID,

1348
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,919
Speaker 2: and so I think as a result, there's more talk

1349
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: about like you know, I'm consuming all the podcasts that

1350
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: everybody else is, and I think what happens is the

1351
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: you know, a word trends and then you hear it

1352
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: a lot, and I just am wondering whether in certain

1353
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: contexts I think it's misused. Like sometimes I think there's

1354
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 2: a there's a lack of clarity between honesty and vulnerability,

1355
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: and I probably lean towards the always valuing honesty, but

1356
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 2: people in the bush value stoicism and strength, and sometimes

1357
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: that is absolutely what's needed for survival and maybe at

1358
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: a cost. But I didn't really I'm not really ready

1359
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 2: to articulate exactly how I feel, but it's just been

1360
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't listening to it going. I think I might

1361
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 2: think that vulnerability is over.

1362
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: No, I really appreciate that.

1363
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know.

1364
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: I think that's fascinating because I think it does deny

1365
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: the role for stoicism.

1366
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 3: Do you think it does?

1367
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: I think, I think sometimes, I think I definitely, I

1368
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I agree that in particularly in times that

1369
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: are not clearly delineated, that there's an ending, like a

1370
01:08:55,479 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: drought that could be six years long, vulnerability at all costs,

1371
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: since say year one might make you two incredibly difficult

1372
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: for you to pull yourself back from that very vulnerable

1373
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: place to just cope, and I think to just sometimes, Yeah,

1374
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: sometimes the coping mechanism that's required of you in certain

1375
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: situations really does not allow for vulnerability, like there is

1376
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: no room for that expression, and so encouraging people to

1377
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: do it when maybe it's going to let them unravel completely. Yeah,

1378
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: I think there's sometimes a place where it's not the

1379
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: only way forward.

1380
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: And I also feel like maybe, and maybe it's my

1381
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 2: inferior understanding of what people mean when they talk about this,

1382
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: but I sometimes think it's too navel gazing, it's too

1383
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: self it's not enough about others and about service to others,

1384
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 2: and that kind of like there's a great self reliance

1385
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: in rural Australia that I just admire so much. I

1386
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: don't have it. It's something I I think you might

1387
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 2: only get after a lifetime here, and I observe it

1388
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,520
Speaker 2: in other people and I just think, God, that's remarkable,

1389
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 2: and that in some ways they get to the self

1390
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 2: reliance like solving their own problems and getting shit done.

1391
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 2: I don't know that they would if their first instinct

1392
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 2: was to be open to vulnerability. And I do think

1393
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: that they can get to contentment and a type of

1394
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: happiness and a type of success without necessarily dwelling in

1395
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: self and in their vulnerable site.

1396
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 3: So not sure.

1397
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to quote me because I'm still

1398
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 2: working on.

1399
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: It, but planing the seed now. Report No, but I

1400
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: really like that both of my parents we grew up

1401
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: in remote not super remote, but rural communities, and also

1402
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: sometimes get quite not challenged, but just like fascinated by

1403
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: the way our generation has become very self reflective, and

1404
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: like there are times when vulnerability around mental health and

1405
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: postnatal depression or PEA costs or issues that need to

1406
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: be destigmatized and conversationalized. That's really important. But there's a

1407
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: lot of and this is probably the thing that I

1408
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: am challenged by, not vulnerability in itself, but the way

1409
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: that things become bandwagoned like vulnerability authenticity. That's where I

1410
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: get like.

1411
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 2: Same here, it's the recipe for vulnerability, like vulnerability equals whatever.

1412
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 2: That recipe is what I'm challenged by, not the concept

1413
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 2: in itself, because God, but yeah, that's what I'm stewing on,

1414
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: Like I just want to go, oh, I think we

1415
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,919
Speaker 2: might need to take a pause on this for a secon.

1416
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: You know what mine is. It's the relationship between insert

1417
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: here like vulnerability or openness or vocal of your descent.

1418
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: Also fits in that those brackets equals enlightened. It's the

1419
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: like automatic relationship between you. If you do that, you're

1420
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: really enlightened and intel leigon and superior. It's like, oh,

1421
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: maybe what if some people don't feel vulnerable? Like sometimes

1422
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: I ask what someone's in ATA is and they're like,

1423
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm not really I've not really experienced imposter syndrome. And

1424
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: it feels abrupt because you're like, what, you don't have

1425
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: a breakdown all the time, I when we've associated that

1426
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: with enlightenment, So are you like unemotional with a hard shell?

1427
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: Some people don't have it.

1428
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: I think we now understand that to be normal. It's

1429
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: so funny that you say that, because I went on

1430
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 2: lady startups with mea Friedman, and one of the questions was,

1431
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 2: you know I always ask people what their peak was,

1432
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 2: or what their trough was or whatever. Anyway, my answer

1433
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 2: was I'm not prone to troughs. And I went on,

1434
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what else I said, But my sister, well,

1435
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: my sister says said to me the other day, do

1436
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: you think me is still stewing on the fact that

1437
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 2: you said about prone to trots? Like that was the

1438
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 2: most instansitive thing. I was like, what do you like?

1439
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 3: I just thought it was.

1440
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: It's true I find the daily grind, like I mean,

1441
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 2: I have challenges, but it's they're not I. I'm not

1442
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,520
Speaker 2: sobody prone to trops. And maybe that's why this vulnerability

1443
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: retric is not resonating quite like it should with me.

1444
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I certainly hope I can get to enlightenment

1445
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: without going through the you know, wading through the mad

1446
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So yeah, maybe you're right

1447
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 2: that that's but anyway, look, I don't As I said,

1448
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm still developing my consciousness about it, but I do

1449
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: think we do the bandwagging. Actually, maybe that's the bigger

1450
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: problem that I kind of resist anything that gets kind

1451
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 2: of wrapped up in a in a parcel and present

1452
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 2: it to me as fact and or as like this

1453
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 2: new version of truth and it's everywhere, and I just

1454
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 2: want to I don't know, I just want to kind

1455
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 2: of mute it every now and again.

1456
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen Avatar for that exact reason, because

1457
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the bandwagon.

1458
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: Don't even know what that is? What is it?

1459
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: A movie that won all these Oscars, But because it

1460
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: got so when it came out, I was like, nah,

1461
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that.

1462
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 3: Well.

1463
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 2: I never read the Da Vinci Co and that was

1464
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 2: when I was in an age when it was age

1465
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 2: appropriate to read it. It was so big. I'm like, no, sorry,

1466
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: not so mean, I can't do it. I've never read

1467
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: what is it?

1468
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: Shades of Gray as a result, and Hunger Games. Haven't

1469
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: watch Hunger Games because of that. We're the same. Do

1470
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: you know what My big one is though about bandwagoning

1471
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: is controversy, Like it really grinds on me. And it

1472
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: even grinds on me to even say this, because by

1473
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: saying that I disagree with it, I'm getting on the

1474
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: disagreement bandwagon. But I find it very challenging that at

1475
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: the moment, if you're in agreeance or you're non confrontational,

1476
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, she's not an empowered woman because

1477
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: she just agrees with everything. Like I don't like controversy.

1478
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 1: I don't like to disagree with everything that I see

1479
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: on social media. And I so respect and admire and

1480
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: I have had many people on this podcast whose voices

1481
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 1: have created meaningful change because they're willing to have a

1482
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: hard conversation. But I think sometimes people just want to

1483
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: have a conflict, They just want to have an oppositional

1484
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: conversation because it's debate. And I'm like, you don't have

1485
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: to debate everything, Like it's okay to just say that

1486
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: whether it's nice outside and not everyone to go, oh,

1487
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: this is windy. Are you exercising your freedom of expression

1488
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: about the fact that it's windy? Is it really windy

1489
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: or is it breezy? Like let's use the technical tip.

1490
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: You know, there's like a debate about everything.

1491
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: Do you know what else? I wonder what your opinion

1492
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 2: on this? Do you change your social media profiles for

1493
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: various like seasonal moments or like causes. Like, so, I've

1494
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: got this thing that I won't ever change my profile

1495
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: to show my support for something, regardless of how much

1496
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: I believe in it, because first of all, I think

1497
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't do that much, but even if it did,

1498
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 2: I just don't want to miss it one day and like, oops,

1499
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 2: I forgot to change my profile and then people think

1500
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 2: I don't support it, and like I miss a day

1501
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: and a trend, and then I'm a naysayer and I

1502
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: don't want to be. So I've like avoided that completely,

1503
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 2: quite deliberately, And I wonder whether anybody else shares my

1504
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: fear those like filters that come over to show your

1505
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 2: support for various world moments or causes.

1506
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 1: I think I've again been quite similar, And I think

1507
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,839
Speaker 1: it's what we were talking about this before we started recording,

1508
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: because our brands are quite similar in that the broader

1509
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: hour appeal and the more communities we can engage, the better.

1510
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: So being not too strongly aligned with one thing or

1511
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: the other, Otherwise you have to align with everything. I

1512
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: would have literally a multicolored popopiature every single day if

1513
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: I tried to support every cause that I care about.

1514
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: There's so many that. Yeah, I try to be quite

1515
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: neutral in as many things as I can be.

1516
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 2: And that's like the outward facing, like it's a virtue signal.

1517
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 2: Really like that outwood facing. Yes, I do support it,

1518
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: like like I will support them in my own way,

1519
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 2: not necessarily with a filter. But it is one of

1520
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 2: those like when everybody's filter is changing, You're like.

1521
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: Back, I know it's like, are you reading into my

1522
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: omission to change? Like this is so hard I'm making

1523
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: a statement either worry. Yes, it's a hard world to

1524
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: exist in.

1525
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 2: I know it's a problem. It's a problem, it's a.

1526
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: Real But I also I also really care about preserving

1527
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: the ability to have people from both sides of a

1528
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: discussion on the show. So I almost feel kind of

1529
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: like sometimes a media outlet in that I want to

1530
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: keep the discussion. Yeah, I need to be a Switzerland

1531
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: because I want to help. Yeah, I want to give

1532
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: a voice to so many different opinions that I never

1533
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: want to be too aligned to one thing or the other.

1534
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to I mean there are obviously causes I

1535
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: really care about, but if they're really like binary or oppositional,

1536
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: I try to just yeah, I'm very Switzerland.

1537
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: Do you know there's such value in that. Like I'm

1538
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 2: going to reference me for even twice in this interview.

1539
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: But after Trump got elected, she did this series called

1540
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 2: burst My Bubble or something Burst me as Bubble, and

1541
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 2: she actively because she was so shocked that Trump got

1542
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 2: in and she was like, in my world, that just

1543
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 2: couldn't have happened, Like, in no way was that a

1544
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 2: foreseeable outcome, So what the hell is wrong with what

1545
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 2: I'm consuming and who I'm talking? Like I must be

1546
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 2: in such an echo chamber, which like like I could

1547
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 2: see from where I live, absolutely so many people live

1548
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 2: in that echo chamber. There's a much more diverse voice

1549
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: that doesn't get heard, I think. But she then went

1550
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 2: out and actively sought interviews with conservatives to try and

1551
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 2: burst her and I really enjoyed the conversations because they

1552
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 2: were challenging but genuine like seeking information rather than kind

1553
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 2: of criticizing. And I don't know whether I listened to

1554
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 2: them all, but it was just a good exercise because

1555
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: so often I think, you know, especially in your role,

1556
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 2: like as a podcast host or a media or a

1557
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: content creator. You often you know you have to choose

1558
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 2: a lane, and then, God, a lane is limiting, isn't it.

1559
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 2: Like let's get multiple voices in the lane and bounce

1560
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: off each other because life is so much more interesting

1561
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: if we do.

1562
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: And also people then commit you to that lane, like

1563
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: you're siloed in that lane forever and you can never

1564
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: change your mind. And I had Sophie Keisha on the

1565
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: podcast a couple of weeks ago, and she was so

1566
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: interesting about like her dominant theme was the ability to

1567
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: have a change of mind in anything, because she's like,

1568
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: I was married with two kids and I'm now with

1569
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: a woman and I don't really need to label that

1570
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: or talk much about it. I just changed my mind.

1571
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: But everyone's like, oh, no, you are either now gay

1572
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: or by and like, let's make sure that we know

1573
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: exactly where you stand. She's like, I don't know where

1574
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: I stand, so why does everyone else need to decide that.

1575
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, and she's like, I can never say

1576
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 1: that I'll never be with a man again, Like it's

1577
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: just a not a big deal. I'm just changing my

1578
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: mind as I go and I'm like, oh, more of that.

1579
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 2: And yet more of politicians being allowed to change their minds.

1580
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,799
Speaker 2: That's the like I love when somebody says in life,

1581
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 2: like when you ask a question of somebody and they

1582
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 2: say to you, I don't know. Yeah, I answers to that,

1583
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 2: like immediately I like them. I could just think, oh, God,

1584
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: don't tell me you know if you don't know. So

1585
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: you telling me you don't know, it makes me respect

1586
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 2: you even more. I just wish that that carried into

1587
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 2: our decision makers because of course they don't know everything.

1588
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 2: Of course they're going to change their mind the more

1589
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 2: informed they've become, and like I think, on so many

1590
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 2: of our pressing issues, if they were allowed to, if

1591
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 2: we were a bit more fluid, if the media were

1592
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: a bit more fluid, Like I don't know anyway, they're

1593
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 2: not going to solve the problems here, But it all

1594
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: starts with me stewing non vulnerability.

1595
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: That was a fabulous tangent. I enjoy that so much. Well,

1596
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: very last question, what is your favorite quote? If you

1597
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: have one?

1598
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, okay, I thought we were done, So this

1599
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: is I've got I've got a I'm thinking of a

1600
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: couple because you know, What came to mind is you've

1601
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 2: got to drink the froth to get the beer, which

1602
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 2: is slim dusty, But I don't.

1603
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: Want to end on it.

1604
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 2: There's a what can I give you two? Then possible

1605
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: to give you two? Absolutely, So you've got to drink

1606
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 2: the froth to get the beer by slim Dusty but

1607
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: also mar McKillop. So it's a Catholic quote. Bear with me,

1608
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 2: everybody who already wants to roll their eyes, but do

1609
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: everything you can with the means that you're disposable and

1610
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: calmly leave the rest to God. And I really carry

1611
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 2: that with me, that idea that do what you can,

1612
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 2: but leave the rest to whoever you know, whoever that

1613
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 2: greater being is for you. That means a lot to me.

1614
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that one. Like control what you can,

1615
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: but there's a lot that you can't. And I think

1616
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: we spend a good eighty to ninety percent of our

1617
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: time worrying about things that worry isn't going to make

1618
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: a difference, and they're not reserving enough for the things

1619
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: in our life where our worrying or concern is going

1620
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: to make an actual difference to our lives.

1621
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 2: I love that and I think it calls on us

1622
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 2: to do like to so do what you can with

1623
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: what you've got, like have an impact, be significant, and

1624
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 2: then beyond that, you know, leave it, leave it to

1625
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 2: what will come. And for me, I think I do

1626
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 2: believe in I suppose the somethings just aren't for us

1627
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: to decide, and having a piece with that is comforting

1628
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 2: for me.

1629
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, Grace, Oh my gosh, this was one of

1630
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: the best conversations I've had in a long time. I've

1631
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: so enjoyed it and I can't wait until the world

1632
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: opens up again so I can come and visit. I

1633
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: would love to come and visit you and Warren, And

1634
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, do you want to road trip? Absolutely?

1635
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 2: Stay in the books.

1636
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: I would love to. You know, there's an episode every

1637
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: week called Yays of Our Lives which is meant to

1638
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: be on the road in the neighborhood, going to visit town.

1639
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: So I did a trip through Gippsland, run down to

1640
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,520
Speaker 1: Phillip Island and just visited like charities or small businesses

1641
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: and did little profiles. And I haven't obviously been able

1642
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: to do that. It started at the start of the year,

1643
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: intended to be on the road and hasn't really been

1644
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: on the road, but absolutely.

1645
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 2: And because one of the things that I heard, like

1646
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 2: as I was listening to your other episodes, I'm like, Okay,

1647
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: where have you not been? Like in every episode you

1648
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 2: just conveniently slip in, Yes, I was once in like that,

1649
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 2: coren the world. You must be really feeling the confines

1650
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,759
Speaker 2: of COVID. You've done a lot in your life.

1651
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: So much, I think because travel has always been, in

1652
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: my mind, the best way for me to stretch my brain.

1653
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: And I've always loved languages, so that's always been like

1654
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: a recurring theme. The quite I like is once your

1655
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: mind is stretched to new dimensions by a new experience,

1656
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: it can never go back to its old dimensions. And

1657
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: I think every time I go overseas and see a

1658
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: different way to live, and let's to say with even

1659
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: going into remote communities, seeing like we've spent a lot

1660
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: of time in the Northern Territory and just seeing different

1661
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: ways of considering time or family or connection, and you

1662
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,839
Speaker 1: can't ever unsee those things. And the more you're exposed

1663
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: to them, you don't have to agree with them or

1664
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: ever want to emulate that in your life. But travel

1665
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: has always been my way to open up the world,

1666
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: and so it has felt very difficult. I think almost

1667
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: because I never hesitated to like eat two minute noodles

1668
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: for three years so I could go on a trip.

1669
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: I almost feel less constrained because I don't feel like

1670
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 1: I was waiting until the perfect time and never traveled.

1671
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: But I also because I'm so used to consolidating myself

1672
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: that way, I feel a bit stagnant because I'm like,

1673
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: I haven't had distance from my own crap for so long.

1674
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 3: Question what language is? Oh?

1675
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: So French is the main one. I did part of

1676
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: my law degree in French, which was so stupid but

1677
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: also the best. I studied French, French, Japanese, and Chinese

1678
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 1: until the end of UNI, and then Italian and Spanish

1679
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: just from French because they're so similar and having been

1680
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: to Italian and Spanish speaking countries you can pick it

1681
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: up quite quickly. And then I'm just so fascinated by

1682
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,679
Speaker 1: languages that every time we go somewhere, so I learn

1683
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 1: like very very basic. So when we went to Russia,

1684
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:59,480
Speaker 1: I learned like conversational, very basic Russian, and same with Arabic,

1685
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: like to pull together even just like be able to

1686
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: say hello and thank you and understand where grammar sits like.

1687
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: That's part of traveling for me is figuring out the

1688
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: way that they yes, yeah.

1689
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 2: The same here when I should have said that in

1690
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 2: play that actually weirdly like, learning Spanish is one of

1691
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: my escapes from motherhood. And it's the greatest joy if

1692
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 2: you get the chance to kind of go and have

1693
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 2: a little practice with somebody in some like that kind

1694
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 2: of those lovely connections that open up if you bother

1695
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 2: to try to speak another language in you know, like

1696
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 2: just learning one or two words, and the connection you

1697
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 2: have with somebody if you do pick those little things

1698
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 2: up along the way. God, it's such a joy. It's

1699
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: one of the greatest joys in life.

1700
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: I think, have you kept it up?

1701
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 2: I don't have five languages under my belt.

1702
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I just can say, like I can read a

1703
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: menu in a few languages, basically exactly.

1704
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 2: What I'm most crucial, do you know what? At the

1705
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 2: daycare the other day, at my local daycare, there's a

1706
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 2: lady from Columbia there and I've only just discovered it. Nice.

1707
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 2: Every day I just stalk her to try and like

1708
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 2: say hello and practice. But no, I'm pretty terrible these days.

1709
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 1: It's funny though. I'm sure it comes back to you

1710
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: as soon as you like see someone, and then it

1711
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,560
Speaker 1: all starts rushing back when you start talking. It's fascinating.

1712
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: The brain is so interesting. Like I can't remember my

1713
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: name or my age half the time.

1714
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 2: But you can remember a song from nineteen ninety nine.

1715
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: All of the phone numbers before, like my primary school

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01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: phone number list, I know them all off by heart.

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01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: But I don't know my partner's number now. It's like

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Speaker 1: why I don't know what I did yesterday? Like it's crazy, Yeah,

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01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: I know. Oh well, Grace, thank you so much for

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01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: this wonderful chat. I'm so excited to see the pitching

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01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: competition come to life and everything that buy from the

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Speaker 1: Bush continues to do.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me things so fun.

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01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: I loved by from the Bush before I knew much

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01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: about Grace herself, but I love it even more now.

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01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: What a literally life changing movement for so many started

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01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: by just one determined woman in her kitchen. Loss of

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01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: direction really can lead to discovering your ya, so never

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01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: forget you can find purpose in places you would never

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01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: have expected. If you enjoyed, please support Grace and shower

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Speaker 1: her with love from the neighborhood, sharing the episode and

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01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 1: tagging buy from the Bush or hit up the marketplace

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01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: yourself to support our outback business owners, especially as the

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Speaker 1: festive season approaches. If you're listening in and have a

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Speaker 1: business idea, you might qualify for the Big Break Pitching competition,

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01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 1: so the details for that are in the bio two.

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01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,919
Speaker 1: Grace goes into a lot more practical detail about community

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01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: building and particularly focuses on social media in our PayPal

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01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: Business boot Camp webinar that I mentioned from a few

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01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 1: weeks ago. The full video is now available for you

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01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 1: to rewatch, and I'll pop that link in the show

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01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 1: notes too. I hope you're all having a wonderful week

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Speaker 1: and are seizing your yay

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Speaker 3: M huggin huge n Hugen