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Speaker 1: Loud and to our Friday show. Now, our Friday show
Speaker 1: is where we take a break from the news cycle.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about anything newsy, anything you're going to
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Speaker 1: That's what we do because we all know that's what
Speaker 1: we want to do as we head into the weekend.
Speaker 1: And today is Friday, the sixth of December, and I'm
Speaker 1: Holly Waynwright and I think we're going to put the
Speaker 1: tree up this weekend, even though for my liking it's
Speaker 1: still a week early.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm still
Speaker 2: thinking about whether we're going to do a tree because
Speaker 2: a lot of work, but I love the smell.
Speaker 1: You got to do a tree.
Speaker 3: And I'm m Burnham filling in for me today and
Speaker 3: a tree won't fit in my apartment or.
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Speaker 1: You can get your mates together or you can go
Speaker 1: on your own, because we've got this like single ladies
Speaker 1: situation where we do a meetup.
Speaker 2: I'm leading the charge.
Speaker 1: Come, come, come on the show today. What is the
Speaker 1: sibling wealth gap and is it the root of all
Speaker 1: your family arguments? Also, our recommendations include a plea not
Speaker 1: to buy anything, some things you should buy and potatoes.
Speaker 1: Also letting down a friend are very much needed, catch
Speaker 1: up with another friend and Jesse's cheating on us with
Speaker 1: us It's best and worst of the week, but first
Speaker 1: and Vernon.
Speaker 3: In case you missed it. It's that time of the
Speaker 3: year where we collectively remember that dictionaries do in fact
Speaker 3: still exist.
Speaker 2: They dorategy. It's beginning of December. It's a big week
Speaker 2: for Colin's.
Speaker 3: True, I can't believe there's still so many out there,
Speaker 3: Like truly, we're oversaturated with dictionaries now. But all the
Speaker 3: major players in the dictionary world release their words of
Speaker 3: the year this year, so unlike our individual words of
Speaker 3: the year, it's like society's word of the year, and
Speaker 3: it's usually a word that's chosen that has been most
Speaker 3: in the zeitguist that they presume. So I've got the
Speaker 3: list of all the words, and we may as well
Speaker 3: start with Colins now.
Speaker 1: So time to shine.
Speaker 3: Colin's word of the year is Bratt.
Speaker 1: Colin's that was word of like Jiljuly. I know the
Speaker 1: problem with the zeit guys these days is it moves
Speaker 1: too quickly. We need like a word of the month,
Speaker 1: the week, the hour, like a year is too long.
Speaker 2: Bratt feels totally. It feels like my grandfather has just
Speaker 2: been like what and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about dictionary dot Com. They're word of the
Speaker 3: year is demure.
Speaker 4: You see how you do my makeup for work? Very demure,
Speaker 4: very mindful. I don't come to work with a green
Speaker 4: cut crease, don't look like a clown when I go
Speaker 4: to work. I don't do too much. I'm very mindful
Speaker 4: of while I'm at work.
Speaker 1: Demure.
Speaker 3: No, I'm still saying demure excep. I'm not ironically now
Speaker 3: I put it into sentences.
Speaker 1: All right, So do it for me. Give me an
Speaker 1: example of how you were using demure in December twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four.
Speaker 3: I really like that lipstick you're wearing. It's quite demure. Okay,
Speaker 3: it sure, Cambridge is manifest I thought that was two
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's very two years ago. But again, look,
Speaker 2: I love dictionaries because I like the current spelling and
Speaker 2: I like words. But who are these people and culture?
Speaker 2: Because I feel as though they're around the water cooler
Speaker 2: and they're like, have you heard the word manifest And
Speaker 2: it's like, no one under seventy two worked at your workplace,
Speaker 2: and that word is not really.
Speaker 1: Although maybe if manifestos or everyone was doing two years ago,
Speaker 1: maybe this year they're manifestations.
Speaker 3: I'm true. Maybe, so it's actually working. And Macquarie said
Speaker 3: the word of the year is en shitification, my favorite one.
Speaker 2: Tell us this is my favorite one. So I first
Speaker 2: heard of in sertification with the other out louders when
Speaker 2: our friend Amelia Lester brought it up on this very show.
Speaker 2: We know that she is ahead of her time since
Speaker 2: she said it. It is everywhere. Like I went and
Speaker 2: got a sandwich over the weekend at a place where
Speaker 2: I used to go twelve years ago when I used
Speaker 2: to live near there, and the sandwich, from the bread
Speaker 2: to the meat to the paper was just shit. It
Speaker 2: was just forty five percent shitter than it ever was
Speaker 2: and two hundred times more expensive. This is actually a
Speaker 2: real phenomenon where the products we're using are getting shitter
Speaker 2: because there's a consumer incentive because they want us to
Speaker 2: buy more. So the quality of our clothes is and
Speaker 2: worse the quality of our tech because they want us
Speaker 2: to swap it out more and more frequently.
Speaker 1: But you know, in another way it works. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of experiences we have whether they're like, we're making
Speaker 1: it more efficient and easier for you, but it becomes
Speaker 1: shitified in the process. An example of this for me
Speaker 1: is self serve checkouts. It's like, yes, it might be
Speaker 1: better for you guys to be able to employ fewer people,
Speaker 1: but now every time I go to the supermarket to
Speaker 1: do my family shop, it's like unexpected item in the
Speaker 1: bagging area. It's like, too many things in that bag
Speaker 1: and you've got to take it off and put more
Speaker 1: things in. It's like that won't scan. It's like my
Speaker 1: life is shitter because of that. Yeah, and shitification of shopping.
Speaker 2: And let's also say that we've laid all those people
Speaker 2: off to service. Did our groceries get shaped on?
Speaker 1: Nah? But have you been lately?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I love that you just hover the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's magic.
Speaker 1: That is the reason why you don't have an issue
Speaker 1: with self serve checkouts is because you're not doing a
Speaker 1: big shop a yeah, not buying three things. Self checkouts
Speaker 1: are the best thing that ever happened. If you're trying
Speaker 1: to buy a trolley load of shit to feed your family,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: No, you're working for free.
Speaker 3: So Oxford was the last one to release their work
Speaker 3: because like we're the big boys. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 3: wear wait and then when you go on the website,
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, what's it going to be and you
Speaker 3: have to scroll down. Their word was like a guess
Speaker 3: two words brain rot, which I quite like.
Speaker 2: I like this.
Speaker 1: Why is that a word? This year?
Speaker 2: I think it describes the communal sense we all have
Speaker 2: that there is something very bad happening to our brains
Speaker 2: as a result of how we live our lives. And
Speaker 2: it reminded me of an interview I listened to a
Speaker 2: while ago about how the overstimulation of everything that we're
Speaker 2: looking at is making our brains like literacy. The fact
Speaker 2: that we can read is a very modern invention, and
Speaker 2: it's due to like neuroplasticity and all of that, and
Speaker 2: was saying that what our brains used to do is
Speaker 2: that I read a chapter of my book last night,
Speaker 2: I'll read a chapter tonight, and because our brains had
Speaker 2: this real estate to think and to comprehend, it would
Speaker 2: put together all these connections and then I'd get back
Speaker 2: into bed and my brain would go, oh, I remember
Speaker 2: we were here in the chapter. Our brains can't do
Speaker 2: that anymore. They're actually looking at how our brains are changing.
Speaker 2: And because of all the content I've consumed between then
Speaker 2: and tonight, I will take ages to try and.
Speaker 1: Pick it up again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so our brain's literally rotting. Not to be
Speaker 2: too interesting nihilistic about it. If you're feeling some tension
Speaker 2: in the lead up to Christmas, your family dynamics feel
Speaker 2: a bit off. There are arguments about presents or what
Speaker 2: you're doing for lunch. Then it could be due to
Speaker 2: a phenomenon known as the sibling wealth gap. So what
Speaker 2: is the sibling wealth gap? In an article published on
Speaker 2: Mayor this week, it is defined as the differences in
Speaker 2: financial resources, income or savings between siblings, and often this
Speaker 2: can give to some very complicated feelings. Imagine there's a
Speaker 2: sibling who earns exceptionally more than the others and they
Speaker 2: feel the pressure to pay for everything all the time.
Speaker 2: Or the older sibling has always paid for dinner whenever
Speaker 2: run is out together, but in fact it's the youngest
Speaker 2: now who is earning nearly double their salary. There might
Speaker 2: be a sibling who financially supports the parents, especially if
Speaker 2: they require additional care. And what if you don't approve
Speaker 2: of how your sibling spends their money, complaining that they
Speaker 2: have no savings, but they also appear to have a
Speaker 2: problem with online shopping. According to a career builder survey,
Speaker 2: older siblings tend to earn more than younger siblings, and
Speaker 2: things like exchanging gifts can be especially tricky for what's
Speaker 2: been termed cross class siblings, and that is why Christmas
Speaker 2: can be a very awkward time. Yes, m do you
Speaker 2: think that there are some unwritten rules when it comes
Speaker 2: to the sibling wealth gap and how we navigate it
Speaker 2: within families? Are you shouting your family all the time
Speaker 2: because high flying Jeff Bezos character.
Speaker 3: I actually actually do. I do shout my family quite often.
Speaker 3: My sister never does. She's younger, she's young, She's six
Speaker 3: years younger. So I've always been the one. If it's
Speaker 3: me and my sister, I'm always the one who pays
Speaker 3: for dinner, who buys all the stuff, who like she
Speaker 3: stays over at my house and I like provide her
Speaker 3: breakfast and stuff like that. She's only like been one
Speaker 3: year into her career, so she's earning money. But that
Speaker 3: slowly started to change this year. But I think that's
Speaker 3: because my mum had a word with her and I
Speaker 3: was like, hey, maybe sometimes you can shout m dinner.
Speaker 3: But I think we're also very different. I'm pretty fast
Speaker 3: and loose for my money. Like my love language is
Speaker 3: gift giving, So every now and then I do buy
Speaker 3: my family like dinner and stuff like that, Whereas she's
Speaker 3: very conservative with her money and she's always like, hey,
Speaker 3: remember to transfer me that one dollar or we split
Speaker 3: that thing.
Speaker 2: I expect that sibling. Can I ask a question, do
Speaker 2: you and your sister know each other's salary? Yes? To
Speaker 2: the dollar to the dollar?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Really yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: It's not very British, is it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god? No, I don't know and absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting about this is your attitude to money,
Speaker 1: in theory comes from your upbringing. But nature nurture plays
Speaker 1: out in this a lot too, because my brother, who's
Speaker 1: two years older than me and I, since we were
Speaker 1: tiny kids, have had a fundamental personality difference that was
Speaker 1: very well illustrated by a packet of chocolate biscuits. Right,
Speaker 1: So every month my dad would go and do the
Speaker 1: big monthly shop, you know, Tesco or whatever Asda. He'd
Speaker 1: buy like four packets of chocolate digestives and we got
Speaker 1: two each, but that was it for the month, right.
Speaker 1: I would eat all my chocolate digestives in the first
Speaker 1: three days, and my brother would ration his chocolate digestives
Speaker 1: out through the month to make sure he never ran out,
Speaker 1: and if I wanted one, he would be like, I
Speaker 1: give you one, you have to give me two. Like
Speaker 1: it was always like that, and then he had more
Speaker 1: money when we were teenagers, because I would spend all
Speaker 1: my pocket money and he would save his. And then
Speaker 1: if you lent me any money, he'd say, you have
Speaker 1: to pay me back with interest. So we had exactly
Speaker 1: the same upbringing.
Speaker 2: He's a finance brain, so you're doing it.
Speaker 1: But we had completely different attitudes to money, and that
Speaker 1: has played out throughout our lives. Is that he might say,
Speaker 1: and this is the thing is it's not a sibling
Speaker 1: wealth gap. Isn't always about how much money you have.
Speaker 1: It's what you do with it. Right, So it's like
Speaker 1: I remember years ago he'd be like, Oh, we can't
Speaker 1: afford to come and visit you, which is fine, Like,
Speaker 1: of course it's really expensive. In my mind, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: he just put that on your credit card. But he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I would never do that. Like we've got a mortgage.
Speaker 1: I pay the mortgage. You know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: that it's a different attitude to life money savings that
Speaker 1: is just fundamentally different.
Speaker 2: I think that's when it gets awkward. And also they
Speaker 2: can be outward signs of money, say one sibling lives
Speaker 2: in a bigger house or drives a nicer car, but
Speaker 2: you can never actually know unless they explicitly tell you
Speaker 2: the inside details of someone's finances because they might have
Speaker 2: a really big mortgage or like be sending kids to
Speaker 2: really expensive schools and so in terms of disposable income
Speaker 2: and being able to shout dinner, yeah, they could live
Speaker 2: in a very different way. But it's interesting. We are
Speaker 2: exactly the same as you am. Like would know exactly
Speaker 2: how much everyone earns, and I wonder if the dynamic
Speaker 2: becomes more.
Speaker 1: I don't know what anyone in my life earns really,
Speaker 1: like literally none of my friends, none of my family. Brent,
Speaker 1: I know what he earns because like obviously, but like
Speaker 1: it's not something that I ever would talk about with.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that terrible I talk about with all my friends.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because you don't want it to set
Speaker 2: up a dynamic which is, oh, you just got to
Speaker 2: pay rise and you're paying for tie, like you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily do your parents know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is the thing about my parents, And
Speaker 2: this is why I think this part of the equation
Speaker 2: is important. If your parents think that how much you
Speaker 2: earn as a measure of success, I think that's when
Speaker 2: shit gets messy, because the issue isn't that one sibling
Speaker 2: earns more and one earns less. It's that siblings start
Speaker 2: to think that you're the golden child and I'm the
Speaker 2: black sheep because I don't earn as much. And in families,
Speaker 2: it's like there is almost nothing more egalitarian than your
Speaker 2: childhood in terms of you get the same amount of
Speaker 2: pocket money, You live in the same house, your Christmas
Speaker 2: presents are roughly the same amount of money, your class
Speaker 2: consciousness is very much the same. Then you go out
Speaker 2: into the world and you're just thrown into totally different
Speaker 2: worlds based on your interests. Sometimes it's not even like
Speaker 2: this sibling intended on making money, it's just they fell
Speaker 2: into it, or maybe they married rich, or they wanted to.
Speaker 1: Go into finance and you wanted to be a starving artist,
Speaker 1: yes exactly.
Speaker 2: Or there's this dynamic and this plays out in my
Speaker 2: family a lot, which is there's a teachers. I come
Speaker 2: to the dinner table and I would earn more than
Speaker 2: my brother's earn, who are primary school teachers, an early
Speaker 2: education teacher, but it is implicitly understood that what they
Speaker 2: do is more important. So it's like I'm buying the
Speaker 2: coffees as a thank you for yourself to the community,
Speaker 2: but there is this definite like disparity.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think with my parents, I think the money thing
Speaker 3: is still there. I think it's a generation thing or
Speaker 3: maybe an immigrant thing as well, where it is seeing
Speaker 3: like the more money you make, the more successful you are.
Speaker 3: But also I know that they weren't making as much money.
Speaker 3: I was at their age as my age now when
Speaker 3: they were my age, So it feels like I'm in
Speaker 3: this limbo stage where I'm waiting to get to that
Speaker 3: age where they're going to be like, wait, should you
Speaker 3: be making more money now?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Like where they hit because of the way that their
Speaker 2: career trajectory went. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And I've also noticed it changes a lot when your
Speaker 3: sibling gets a partner. I remember I would always buy
Speaker 3: gifts of Christmas or Birthdays that I think were more
Speaker 3: expensive than my sister, and then I think if for
Speaker 3: the past two years the gift giving was kind of
Speaker 3: similar in price, but then she would have her partner's
Speaker 3: name on the gift as well, and I was like, oh, interesting,
Speaker 3: and I want to know, like do they actually contribute.
Speaker 1: To that gift.
Speaker 2: Well, if you've pulled your finances and they have, then
Speaker 2: I suppose that they have. But what you're speaking to
Speaker 2: I saw it referred to as couple's privilege, which sounds silly,
Speaker 2: but I think it's really legitimate. If you're in a couple,
Speaker 2: if you're married, then your financial situation is really different
Speaker 2: to someone who's single, from rent to petrol to everything.
Speaker 2: So in a family, when you're talking about I don't know,
Speaker 2: contribution to a family holiday or contribution to parents' age care,
Speaker 2: a single income is very different to a double income.
Speaker 2: So I think it can be really hard. I have
Speaker 2: a lot of mates who are single who are looking
Speaker 2: at buying their own house. It's near impossible, like it
Speaker 2: can't be done.
Speaker 1: It can't be done. It's really different. The thing I'm
Speaker 1: interested in, right, because everybody's definition to a point, depending
Speaker 1: on where you live and where you came from, what's
Speaker 1: a good salary and what's not a good salary and
Speaker 1: all those is very relative, right, I mean, particularly at
Speaker 1: the moment, even people on good salaries and inverted commas
Speaker 1: living in a city like Sydney would find it very
Speaker 1: hard to afford all kinds of things. Right, So if
Speaker 1: we assume that all of that's relatives, so there's you
Speaker 1: don't really know what are the politics? What is the
Speaker 1: etiquette of families who have the sibling wealth gap? As in,
Speaker 1: should it be the thing that, like, if you earn more,
Speaker 1: you buy dinner. Should it be the thing that if
Speaker 1: you married rich, then you should pay for aged care?
Speaker 1: What's the dynamic there? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I know a family where so let's say most of
Speaker 2: the siblings were very well off and established financially. They
Speaker 2: weren't rich, but they were comfortable, and the sibling that
Speaker 2: was not as well off financially cared for the aging
Speaker 2: parent for years and years and years, and the resources
Speaker 2: the time that everything that was invested in that was significant.
Speaker 2: And then when money was left, when there was an
Speaker 2: inheritance left, all of those siblings looked at each other
Speaker 2: and went, she gets the money. Yeah, And I like
Speaker 2: that idea.
Speaker 1: That that's why I think that's very fair. Though that's
Speaker 1: very fair, some families would not do that.
Speaker 2: And I think that a few things are at play. Firstly,
Speaker 2: they recognize the value of what is unpaid work. Also,
Speaker 2: they didn't have any issues with how she spent her money.
Speaker 2: I think that that can be a really awkward thing
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 1: Think that's one of the issues. Is one of the
Speaker 1: problems here are not necessarily about the sums, but the judgment.
Speaker 1: So if you're saying I can't afford that, but then
Speaker 1: you're looking at mine and I don't mean me, but
Speaker 1: someone's looking at your shoes and go, well, how could
Speaker 1: you afford that? I would hate that. Yeah, people being
Speaker 1: thosey into your life, but like, how do you navigate that.
Speaker 1: A family that I'm close to, when they had a
Speaker 1: young family, they were very frugal to try and put
Speaker 1: money on the house and you know, like pay down
Speaker 1: debt and all of those things. So they were often
Speaker 1: saying I can't contribute to this, and I can't contribute
Speaker 1: to that. But now on the other side of that,
Speaker 1: they've paid off their house and have no debt, right,
Speaker 1: so they now have more money than the people who
Speaker 1: were splashing the cash.
Speaker 2: A thing is it changes all the time, and so
Speaker 2: I feel as though pretending like it doesn't exist, pretending
Speaker 2: how much money that, how much money you have in
Speaker 2: your bank account doesn't fundamentally change the way you live
Speaker 2: your life and what you can give them what you
Speaker 2: can't is kind of ridiculous. Like, especially if you spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time together. And when it comes to
Speaker 2: Christmas too. I think that the other element this comes
Speaker 2: into plays when you've got cousins and you go, is
Speaker 2: this set of cousins going to live a totally different
Speaker 2: life to this set of cousins? Like I also think
Speaker 2: what I've noticed is that in a bunch of my
Speaker 2: friends there is the rich uncle. That's what they call him.
Speaker 2: He's a rich uncle, and it's like he has all
Speaker 2: of these resources, which in particular times have come in
Speaker 2: really handy, often in health crises. So they've gone, there's
Speaker 2: a big issue with mum or dad. Rich uncle sweeps
Speaker 2: in and goes, all right, I've sorted it money wise,
Speaker 2: and then the sibling who might not have as much money,
Speaker 2: feels as though they have to overcompensate with time, so
Speaker 2: with the labor of it all with the time with
Speaker 2: the person, because they know that they can't pay for it.
Speaker 2: And I look at that and I go, I know
Speaker 2: which one's harder, and it's the time. And in that way,
Speaker 2: sometimes I think throwing around the money and not actually
Speaker 2: talking about it can make things worse. Like you've actually
Speaker 2: got to sit down and go ten K to this
Speaker 2: person is not the same as ten thousand dollars to
Speaker 2: this person, because otherwise resentment and jealousy and offense confess
Speaker 2: to where people kind of go you think I can't
Speaker 2: afford it. It's like, that's not what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that I'm in a position right now where
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like even the other side where like if
Speaker 3: the rich uncle pays the ten k, then someone else
Speaker 3: will be like, well, when I was really really sick
Speaker 3: and needed to be yeah, yeah, and like where does
Speaker 3: it end? I feel like that also breeds nastiness and
Speaker 3: families as well.
Speaker 2: Well, feeling as though there's an expectation. I think that's
Speaker 2: why people probably don't want to be honest about what
Speaker 2: they've got, because then it's like, well do I have
Speaker 2: an expectation to? And my nephew want to gap you like,
Speaker 2: do I like? Where does it end?
Speaker 1: Would you be? You know, how you were saying, how
Speaker 1: you know what all your family earned? And you like,
Speaker 1: would you be offended if your family didn't want to
Speaker 1: tell you?
Speaker 2: I would assume they had a lot of money.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much my parents make, and they
Speaker 3: also won't tell me and my sister and we are
Speaker 3: really all the time, like we ask all the time.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a generation thing.
Speaker 2: Oh I think we should walk around with our salaries
Speaker 2: on our head.
Speaker 1: I love to always joke with my friend group. We
Speaker 1: always joke about who's going to be the rich friend
Speaker 1: one day, and none of us have any idea what
Speaker 1: each other earned. But it's like if someone gets a
Speaker 1: pay rise or a windfall or wind we're always like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're going to be the rich friend and they're like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Like one day, Holly, you'll sell a book to Hollywood
Speaker 1: and you'll be the rich friend. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe.
Speaker 2: Like who pays for the inn holiday exactly?
Speaker 1: Who shouts when we go on our weekends away and stuff?
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, not one of us are the rich
Speaker 1: friend at this.
Speaker 2: It's still time, Holly. What do you think you do
Speaker 2: at Christmas time?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: If there are multiple siblings and there's a gap, whether
Speaker 2: it's presence, whether it's whose house, Because that's the thing,
Speaker 2: it's the person who's got the biggest house that ends
Speaker 2: up having to host it every year.
Speaker 3: Often everyone just needs to move to Chris Kringle, and
Speaker 3: there's a price limit. It's the only way. It's the
Speaker 3: only way it works.
Speaker 2: Yes or no gifts. We don't do gifts.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: Out louders in a moment. We're recommending things for your weekend,
Speaker 3: and Jesse has two which contradict each other. It's Friday,
Speaker 3: so we want to help you set up your weekend
Speaker 3: with our best recommendations. Whole what do you have?
Speaker 1: Potatoes?
Speaker 2: He love potatoes, baked potatoes, hot shits, cold chips.
Speaker 1: I love potatoes too, And you know, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to say it because I think it's a gen X thing.
Speaker 1: But like we grew up with Oprah like shouting at
Speaker 1: us from magazines that you should eat potatoes because you know,
Speaker 1: carbs were evil and all that, there is so much
Speaker 1: joy in potato. I love the What's favoritecifically? The reason, well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, because the reason I'm recommending potatoes,
Speaker 1: because I know that seems weird, is that we are
Speaker 1: in my one of my favorite seasons on Instagram, which
Speaker 1: is last year, I discovered this Instagram account called Poppy Cooks,
Speaker 1: and she is this young chef called Popio Tool. She's British.
Speaker 1: She lives in Birmingham. She's one of those internet chefs,
Speaker 1: you know. And what she does every Christmas, it's like
Speaker 1: an advent calendar for potatoes is she does twenty four
Speaker 1: Christmas potato dishes and every day there's a new one,
Speaker 1: and it's just videos, like drool worthy videos of potato dishes.
Speaker 1: It's my little Christmas joy. So one day she'll do
Speaker 1: like glass roasted potatoes, you know that have really crispy bottoms,
Speaker 1: and another she'll do like mash dripping with butter, and
Speaker 1: then she'll do loaded roast potatoes, and then she'll do
Speaker 1: potato roasties and then and I don't I can't cook
Speaker 1: all those things, and I'm not gonna cook all those things,
Speaker 1: but I love looking at it.
Speaker 3: It's like all of the joys from watching.
Speaker 1: It's comfort from comfort food, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's like anyway, So if you also love looking
Speaker 1: at delicious food on Instagram, I'm recommending Poppy cooks twenty
Speaker 1: four days of Christmas potatoes on Instagram. You'll only have
Speaker 1: two what's the day today? It's like the eighth or something,
Speaker 1: isn't it. You'll only have eight to catch up on.
Speaker 1: And then every day, you'll have a potato tree in
Speaker 1: your Instagram.
Speaker 2: So I can addvan calendar, but it's a picture of potato.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And then one of those dishes I
Speaker 1: might make for Christmas. But also I just liked looking
Speaker 1: at it just makes me happy.
Speaker 2: My recommendation. I have two that are in total contradictions.
Speaker 2: So my first is a documentary on Netflix that all
Speaker 2: the out louders told me to watch and they were right.
Speaker 2: It's called Buy Now. I think watch it with your
Speaker 2: family as like a learning experience for everyone, and it
Speaker 2: will explain to them why you're not buying their Christmas
Speaker 2: presence this year. Okay, buying this stuff feels great, right.
Speaker 3: The problem is that every year we're.
Speaker 1: Consuming more, producing more, and there's a flip side to.
Speaker 3: That that no one wants.
Speaker 2: You to see. I was president of the Adidas brand.
Speaker 2: I started at Apple.
Speaker 1: I worked at Amazon for fifteen years.
Speaker 4: It's a highly refined science to get you to buy stuff.
Speaker 3: They know you like we know you.
Speaker 2: It is a docco about consumption. So it's like the
Speaker 2: remember the Social Dilemma, which was all about social media.
Speaker 2: It's that but for over consumption, and it's about all
Speaker 2: the ways that we're manipulated into buying more. How technology
Speaker 2: has purposely made it impossible to change the batteries, so
Speaker 2: like you know, you can't change a battery of a
Speaker 2: phone or whatever. You've got to throw it out and
Speaker 2: get a totally new one. And sittification andification and what
Speaker 2: fast fashion is doing to the planet. There's this incredible
Speaker 2: scene with a woman who lives in Ghana. You can
Speaker 2: see the shores of Ghana. Just it'll make you feel
Speaker 2: sick the clothes, the clothes that are there, and not
Speaker 2: even the clothes washing ghag because the amount of clothes
Speaker 2: that are being produced every minute around the world, and
Speaker 2: these often these are clothes that have never been worn.
Speaker 2: It's just like this thing of I'm giving them away.
Speaker 2: There is no and this is what they're saying that
Speaker 2: there is no way. Where do you think it's going.
Speaker 2: You know where it's going the shores of Gunner, so
Speaker 2: you see the water and just shoes and toys and
Speaker 2: clothes and everything, and she's just standing there, going, we
Speaker 2: have enough clothes. Stop making clothes. We don't need any
Speaker 2: more clothes. And then of course it comes down to
Speaker 2: how all this stuff is getting into our waterways and
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. It's very very front.
Speaker 1: It's a good job, isn't here? Oh yeap, you're telling
Speaker 1: it to stop buying clothes immediately. Wouldn't go down?
Speaker 2: It is very depressing and is.
Speaker 1: There anything like look, I hope.
Speaker 2: My big takeaway is that it is the giants that
Speaker 2: need to do something. We can try our best to recycle.
Speaker 2: Our recycling is doing jack shit. It's like we need
Speaker 2: to put pressure on the big brands to actually have
Speaker 2: really sustainable policy and buy less. I have a feeling
Speaker 2: that that trend's coming, though I reckon this o consumption things.
Speaker 1: Yak.
Speaker 2: It's like, I think.
Speaker 1: You're right, and I know that there are pockets of
Speaker 1: the community obviously who've been really rabbing that hard for
Speaker 1: a while now buy less by less, But they're up
Speaker 1: against this overwhelming wave of.
Speaker 2: Power, and you know, and this thing of those giants,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of whistleblowers who have come out
Speaker 2: from the big brands. Their thing that they create a
Speaker 2: product and then once it's on a shelf, they clear
Speaker 2: their hands of it. It's like people are going, no,
Speaker 2: that's not how it works. What then happens to that
Speaker 2: thing when someone has drunk out of it or eaten
Speaker 2: the thing and the plastic still, Like, what are you
Speaker 2: going to do with it? Anyway, if that's making me
Speaker 2: feel depressed, and I have something to see you up,
Speaker 2: which is a product Jesse, I'm sorry, this is just
Speaker 2: this was one of my friends was like, watch by now,
Speaker 2: and then three messages later she was like, this is
Speaker 2: the last thing I'll say, but just like, buy this.
Speaker 2: It'sfoliating thing. And anyway, I looked at it and I
Speaker 2: reckon it took me two seconds. I bought it in store,
Speaker 2: which is slightly better for the environment.
Speaker 1: Hold up, because I haven't watched the documentary. Buying in
Speaker 1: store is better for the environment?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not being sent to your yeah, packaging. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I went in store because I am great Tomberg.
Speaker 2: So I went in and I got it. Is called
Speaker 2: the Wren Micropolish Cleanser. Are in Urrian, that's brand, and
Speaker 2: get it from Mecca. You get it from Mecca, and
Speaker 2: she said, you've got to try. This is giving my
Speaker 2: skin this amazing glow. And because it's the time of
Speaker 2: year where we're wearing a lot of sunscreen, more sunscreen
Speaker 2: than maybe we ordinarily do. I was getting blocked paws
Speaker 2: and I just lots of blemishes. I use this for
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, all gone, all the little clog
Speaker 2: little ducks, and I get quite obvious black heads on
Speaker 2: my nose. I've tried it every letter of the alphabet
Speaker 2: I have tried on my nose to get rid of them.
Speaker 2: Nothing's ever fixed them. This has reduced their appearance. I
Speaker 2: was looking in the mirror yesterday and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is the only thing that's ever worked on them.
Speaker 3: Like, am I wearing a filter?
Speaker 2: Yes? And then I started getting anxious because I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe this is bad for the environment. So I sent
Speaker 2: it to Lee Campbell and I went, I know microbeads
Speaker 2: are bad. Does this have microbs? No, it doesn't. It's
Speaker 2: all organic and class so you're allowed to use it.
Speaker 2: It is called the ren Micropolish Cleanser. The price varies
Speaker 2: the where you get it from between about forty five
Speaker 2: and fifty five, which is not cheap, but it might
Speaker 2: be a little bit of a Christmas present, and it's
Speaker 2: like giving yourself an at home facial. It's so good.
Speaker 3: Okay, my recommendation.
Speaker 1: Are we buying things? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, well, saving and buying in a nice way. So
Speaker 3: I want to recommend an app called cart It.
Speaker 2: It's a free app.
Speaker 3: That you can download and what you do is that
Speaker 3: when you're thinking about buying something online.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's use what I've got an example for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been eyeing off a particular pair of shoes for
Speaker 1: a long time, but they're not cheap.
Speaker 3: Great, that's a great example. You copy the url, you
Speaker 3: paste it in this app, and it will notify you
Speaker 3: when there's a discount.
Speaker 1: And it's so good.
Speaker 3: You can make lists and you can make group So
Speaker 3: I have like a list for my mum, my dad,
Speaker 3: my sister, and it's just like things that I think
Speaker 3: they'll be interested in. And then I just wait for
Speaker 3: things to be discounted. And I like, for the past
Speaker 3: like three weeks, I've only bought discounted things.
Speaker 2: So the reason why this is really good and give
Speaker 2: them the trail, tell us Jesse, because we're not buying now.
Speaker 2: No buy now is all about taking away any resistance
Speaker 2: to the buying. So what they've tried to do is
Speaker 2: that you're sitting in bed, you think of something and
Speaker 2: you can buy with that.
Speaker 1: They do it, We all do it. And especially you
Speaker 1: know when I do that when I'm tired and emotional.
Speaker 2: Yes, so it used to be you have to go
Speaker 2: to the shop, blah blah blah. What I like about
Speaker 2: this is that we've got some time to think. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're just slowing down and we're waiting for the
Speaker 2: discount rather than like impulsively just buying what we need.
Speaker 2: So I feel like you're paying various.
Speaker 3: And what I've noticed is that I actually delete stuff
Speaker 3: off my list that don't get discount because I get
Speaker 3: pissed off. Yeah, like be discounted, I'll get off my
Speaker 3: list so I don't buy it.
Speaker 2: That's so good in the lead up to Christmas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and called against Carted great And it's a free
Speaker 3: apt a free app easy after the break.
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Speaker 1: our Friday where we can delve into our personal lives
Speaker 1: a little bit more. In case you haven't heard enough
Speaker 1: about us this week. Really Emily vernon, what were your
Speaker 1: best and worst of the week this week?
Speaker 3: My worst of the week is I disappointed a friend
Speaker 3: last week, and she called me out on it.
Speaker 1: Because you're a really good friend and your friends are
Speaker 1: very important to you. Yes, what did you do?
Speaker 3: I didn't realize I was doing this, and I shouldn't
Speaker 3: because I call people out who do this to me.
Speaker 3: But I was meant to get dinner with this friend
Speaker 3: for a while now, and I kept doing the whole
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, something's come up. I'm so sorry. I'm
Speaker 3: really tired. I'm so sorry. I just can't make it.
Speaker 3: And then I did the thing of like December is
Speaker 3: so crazy for everyone, Like I have so many work events,
Speaker 3: I'm catching up with everyone, I have all this family stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you mind if we just catch up in the
Speaker 3: new year. And she called me out because I've seen
Speaker 3: like a lot of people say, like it's so busy
Speaker 3: for everyone. Everyone just like move everything to the next year, like,
Speaker 3: don't worry about meeting anyone. And she said that she
Speaker 3: is someone whose culture doesn't celebrate Christmas, and she also
Speaker 3: lives in Australia by herself, like a family live overseas,
Speaker 3: so she doesn't have a lot of people here, and
Speaker 3: she's like, to be perfectly honest with you, like I
Speaker 3: don't have anyone here, and every time it's December and Australia,
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone who's puts me on hold till
Speaker 3: the next year. I'm good on her for saying, yea,
Speaker 3: I love her, like she's one of my best friends,
Speaker 3: and I'm so glad she said that. And it just
Speaker 3: made me realize that just because a lot of us
Speaker 3: who I guess celebrate Christmas always say it's so busy,
Speaker 3: it's not for everyone, Like there are so people who
Speaker 3: actually aren't busy this year, and they're just waiting for
Speaker 3: the rest of us to stop being busy.
Speaker 1: You know why that's particularly interesting him is because you
Speaker 1: might assume, and this is like cultural ignorance lots of ways,
Speaker 1: that it's not about celebrating Christmas. It's about the fact
Speaker 1: that suddenly everyone seems to be having parties and all
Speaker 1: those things, but they are all like culturally related to Christmas, right,
Speaker 1: And if that's not your thing, you know, then it's
Speaker 1: it's a different act.
Speaker 2: And depending on your stage of life, Like there are
Speaker 2: some people, yeah, that might be going to Christmas parties
Speaker 2: or kids things or friends things, and then there are
Speaker 2: others who might not have anything on. And actually it's
Speaker 2: just a really depressing time of year because you're also
Speaker 2: comparing yourself to everyone.
Speaker 3: And they're like, Okay, I'll just wait for you till
Speaker 3: jan I guess, like everyone else.
Speaker 1: What did you say? How did it go in this conversation?
Speaker 3: So I was like, you're so right, and I thanked her,
Speaker 3: and I like immediately canceled, like to other friends that
Speaker 3: night so I can hang out with her, because I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, so it's so fair, And I'm like
Speaker 3: every year, I feel like if you're in this like
Speaker 3: huge Christmas thing that I am with my family where
Speaker 3: I always complain about how to go to family and
Speaker 3: see family or time, it's actually quite a privilege. And
Speaker 3: if you have a friend that just wants to hang out,
Speaker 3: just hang out with them.
Speaker 1: I like that. She said it, Yeah, so what's your best?
Speaker 3: My best is? Oh my god, this is so bad.
Speaker 3: I went on to pitt Street Mall on the weekend
Speaker 3: and oh, by now, literally it was in the midst
Speaker 3: of like that between of like Black Friday sales and
Speaker 3: Cyber Monday sales. Yes, and it was my best because
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone who lives in the city of
Speaker 3: goes in the city on the weekend during this time
Speaker 3: of the year hate it. They're like, everyone's screaming, everyone's angry,
Speaker 3: no one can get what they want. And I love it, like,
Speaker 3: I love it so much. I'm one of those people
Speaker 3: who just loves the hustle and bustle and the prams
Speaker 3: and the crying and the screaming and people yelling at me.
Speaker 3: It's like, fine, you're the second.
Speaker 1: But I heard someone else in the office the other
Speaker 1: day saying I went in real life shopping on the
Speaker 1: weekend and I've forgotten how fun it was. So I
Speaker 1: reckon there's like.
Speaker 3: A return and having for like years with the pandemic,
Speaker 3: and I'm like people watching and watching these families like
Speaker 3: absolutely hate their lives and they're like, they're like, get
Speaker 3: me out of the city, even though I have to
Speaker 3: buy all these gifts and these teenage boys complaining that
Speaker 3: their feet hurt because my mum gives trying on clothes.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's great people watching.
Speaker 1: It's so good. There is a buzz about Christmas shopping.
Speaker 2: My worst this is a weird one. I was speaking
Speaker 2: to Holly and Mayer about this earlier this week that
Speaker 2: I've psyched myself out. Let me explain. Before I talked
Speaker 2: about this, I was like, maybe I'll be cryptic, and
Speaker 2: then I went, no, no, no, it's too hard. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna be honest about it. I did a speaking
Speaker 2: event with Claire over the weekend, which was so much fun.
Speaker 2: We did a canceled live thing right and nothing went wrong.
Speaker 2: But for some reason over that, I would say the
Speaker 2: last few years, my anxiety about speaking has really increased.
Speaker 2: And it's really weird because I think about being a kid,
Speaker 2: and I have always loved, even when I was shy,
Speaker 2: loved speaking in front of people, like I love the
Speaker 2: art of it. I like preparing for it. I like
Speaker 2: the audience.
Speaker 1: It's a big part of your job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big part of my job. And I've
Speaker 2: liked challenging myself and having mini goals and feeling like
Speaker 2: I'm getting better at a thing, and something has happened
Speaker 2: where I feel like I don't know how to get
Speaker 2: better at that thing, and I walk off stage often
Speaker 2: feeling like I've not done a good job, but I
Speaker 2: can't tangibly say what it was. And it's like I've
Speaker 2: got some weird psychological block or like just I've psyched
Speaker 2: myself out.
Speaker 3: Has this like slowly started, it's happened or was it
Speaker 3: the thing at the moment?
Speaker 2: But a friend said that she was like, did something
Speaker 2: happen that threw you off? And I'm like, I can't
Speaker 2: think of the moment. I've wondered if it is. Since
Speaker 2: having a baby, my anxiety levels are just generally higher,
Speaker 2: and when you get into that hyper arousal anxiety state,
Speaker 2: I'm just thrown into a state where I'm really uncomfortable
Speaker 2: in a way that I wasn't before. And that's affecting me,
Speaker 2: and it's affecting my focus. Like even on stage, I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm being pulled. I'm very in my head
Speaker 2: and I can't get into the moment and I'm not
Speaker 2: enjoying it as much and I want to enjoy it
Speaker 2: and it's one of my favorite things. And so my
Speaker 2: week has been like, oh, I'm going to fix this.
Speaker 2: So I reached out to a bunch of friends who
Speaker 2: work in like stand up comedy, and I was like,
Speaker 2: what do I do, Like, surely I'm not the first
Speaker 2: person to ever experience this. Give me some advice. I
Speaker 2: reached out. This is so wanky, Holly's going to laugh.
Speaker 2: I reached out to a performance psychologist. Honestly, you know
Speaker 2: you've lost a pot in December when you're sending an
Speaker 2: email of inquiry to a performance psychologist.
Speaker 1: This is and I know that this is not a
Speaker 1: helpful thing to say, But anyone who has ever seen
Speaker 1: Jesse speak, like on the TV, on this podcast, in
Speaker 1: the live show, like at a million events that I've
Speaker 1: done with you, You're great?
Speaker 2: How good does she want to be?
Speaker 1: Anyway? I like this about you constantly and self improvement
Speaker 1: the performance psychologists.
Speaker 2: She hasn't got back every yet. But then I reached
Speaker 2: out to my acting friend, who said, you teach me
Speaker 2: some breath work, and I was like, commer holidays, all
Speaker 2: sort of. I'm going to come back do a course
Speaker 2: with MEA and Holly. I'm gonna be like, guys, I
Speaker 2: have invented a course in performance.
Speaker 1: By the time we go on tour next year.
Speaker 2: I am gonna be Michelle O. No one's ever performed
Speaker 2: like Jesse, and I'm going to be in the toilet
Speaker 2: being like blah blah blah blah, like doing my It's
Speaker 2: gonna be amazing. Come to the Out Loud Live show.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be really interesting when I do a tap
Speaker 2: dancing routine. My best was on Sunday. I was going
Speaker 2: to take Luna to the park in the afternoon. Remember
Speaker 2: there was that insane storm. There was hail. It just
Speaker 2: was like apocalyptic outside, and it was about two o'clock
Speaker 2: and I went, oh, no, I'm stuck inside with Luna.
Speaker 2: What are we going to do? I was like, We're
Speaker 2: just going to get in the bath for an hour.
Speaker 2: And I left the bathroom windows all open, so a
Speaker 2: bit of rain was coming in while I was sitting
Speaker 2: in the bar. And we sat there and it was
Speaker 2: one of those idealic afternoons that you picture when you've
Speaker 2: got like a little kid and we just hung in
Speaker 2: the bath with their little boat and a little monkey.
Speaker 2: Lucal walk pass was like Jesi and Luna and we're
Speaker 2: just hanging in the bar like I have.
Speaker 3: Nowhere to be.
Speaker 2: Like ah, it was just the votes relaxing, fulfilling something.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. Holly, what was your worst?
Speaker 1: My worst is related to a lot of what we've
Speaker 1: been talking about today. Actually, it's that this time of year,
Speaker 1: and it happens to us every single year. It's this
Speaker 1: whole how are you oh, just crawling to the end
Speaker 1: of the year.
Speaker 3: We literally had this conversation today.
Speaker 1: Everybody just says the same thing, including me, and for
Speaker 1: parents of school age kids. It is the time when
Speaker 1: everything like it's speech night, and it's Christmas Carols, and
Speaker 1: it's end of year assembly and it's graduation, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's catch ups, and every year it gets to this
Speaker 1: time of year and we all just start to fall apart.
Speaker 1: And it's funny, because it's not funny, but I'll share
Speaker 1: this because I'm sure there are other parents out there
Speaker 1: like this is that I can't go to a lot
Speaker 1: of the end of year things this year because of work,
Speaker 1: and you feel terrible about it, but also secretly.
Speaker 2: They're really boring.
Speaker 1: Well it's prettyuar. So my son Billy finishes primary school
Speaker 1: this year, which is a really big milestone, and I
Speaker 1: am sad that I can't go to quite a few things,
Speaker 1: but I also have to just face up to my
Speaker 1: life choices and I will be at work at those times,
Speaker 1: and so it's like a lot of emotional like push
Speaker 1: and pull and I should be at that and I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be at that. And then if you are the
Speaker 1: person who's at them all, it's all the logistics. And
Speaker 1: if you've got lots of kids at different schools, like
Speaker 1: no wonder parents get to Christmas and just collapse.
Speaker 2: Like can I ask have your kids outgrown elf on
Speaker 2: the shelf?
Speaker 1: Well, of course they have, but we still have it.
Speaker 1: You still do it, yeah, because you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about one and now Matilda moves it around herself like
Speaker 1: it's like healthy. Because the thing is is, it's like
Speaker 1: what I've learned this year in particular with the age
Speaker 1: of kids around this is, you know the conversations we're
Speaker 1: having about Christmas trees and advent calendars is our Christmas
Speaker 1: traditions are now deeply embedded, so it doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: whether they believe in it or not. They're like first
Speaker 1: of December, the elves arrivee, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of part of it now. But
Speaker 1: obviously the pressure is off in that super magical like
Speaker 1: where are they going to be? But we still have
Speaker 1: to do it because it's now become part of the thing.
Speaker 2: But they're not up at five am looking for ELF anymore.
Speaker 1: Well no, but Billy was excited to know if they
Speaker 1: were going to come, and then he wanted to know
Speaker 1: if they were going to change outfits, and he wanted
Speaker 1: to know if they were going to have this and that,
Speaker 1: and like he's too old to really believe, but it's
Speaker 1: just become part of the fun. So you lean into
Speaker 1: all that. But it is just another job. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: So anyway, my worst of the week is the crawling
Speaker 1: to the end of the year. I see you all.
Speaker 1: My best of the week is and this is a
Speaker 1: big one. Right, So I went and had a mammogram
Speaker 1: on Friday. Because I'm fifty something, I now get alerts
Speaker 1: like one of the wonderful things about our wonderful health system,
Speaker 1: which you know it struggles at times, but once you're
Speaker 1: over fifty, you get free breast screens. Right, so you'll
Speaker 1: get a text that says you're due for your mammogram.
Speaker 1: Click this link, make an appointment, come along. I did
Speaker 1: it on Friday. Couldn't have been easier, Like I just
Speaker 1: went to my local one down in an hour, in
Speaker 1: and out, five minutes, etc. The reason why this is
Speaker 1: particularly my best is because the best thing that happened
Speaker 1: to me this week actually is that I caught up
Speaker 1: with one of my good mates Lucy who you know Jesse,
Speaker 1: who we used to work with years ago, and she
Speaker 1: has just completed five months of chemo for breast cancer.
Speaker 1: And she's way younger than me, She's like thirty seven,
Speaker 1: and she has no family history of it, and there
Speaker 1: was no reason to think that might happen to her.
Speaker 1: And she is not out of the woods. She has
Speaker 1: still got radiotherapy and surgery to come. But the reason
Speaker 1: why it's my best is she doesn't live in Sydney.
Speaker 1: She lives in Melbourne and we talk every day. I
Speaker 1: send her a little glimmer every day while she's been
Speaker 1: going through this and we are in tos. But I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen her at all since she'd started her treatment.
Speaker 1: So I saw her because I went down to Melbourne
Speaker 1: for work and it was so lovely and we went
Speaker 1: out for dinner and she is like, you know how
Speaker 1: when you talk about people who are going through really
Speaker 1: hard things, and it's so you want everything to have
Speaker 1: this really neat narrative where.
Speaker 2: It's like it's been harder now you're great.
Speaker 1: It's been like it's been incredibly hard, and she's not great,
Speaker 1: but she's also like still here and doing really well,
Speaker 1: like in terms of just getting through it.
Speaker 2: We're turning up at dinner, she picks.
Speaker 1: Me up to the airport. We just were like, it's
Speaker 1: just so wonderful to see her and to be together
Speaker 1: and hear about all that, and I just feel so lucky.
Speaker 1: I'd say that everybody get your boobs checked, but I
Speaker 1: know that not everybody can just go and get the
Speaker 1: boobs checked the way that you can when you're my age.
Speaker 1: But if anybody is worried about anything in your body,
Speaker 1: just go and check it out. But my best of
Speaker 1: the week, no question, is getting to hang out with
Speaker 1: my wonderful, brave, excellent mate Lucy, who still has some
Speaker 1: stuff ahead of her but has been through a lot
Speaker 1: this year. And we were talking about it, and it
Speaker 1: was one of those conversations where you're like properly deep conversations,
Speaker 1: but also where all the things that she's been through
Speaker 1: this year she'll always have with her, Like she can't
Speaker 1: believe the things that she's got through, you know.
Speaker 2: Out of nowhere, because I and a lump I know
Speaker 2: and that's actually they say. I remember reading once that
Speaker 2: at the beginning of every new season you should check
Speaker 2: your boobs, because I think you meant to check four
Speaker 2: times a year, and it's summer, and it just this
Speaker 2: week summer. So I think it's a very good reminder
Speaker 2: for us all to check for any lump. Because she
Speaker 2: came across a lump at you know, mid thirties Zacht.
Speaker 2: You just wouldn't ever think that was going to happen. No,
Speaker 2: So check your boobs, everybody, do the right thing.
Speaker 1: But also life is good.
Speaker 2: Yes, look, we have one last piece of exciting news
Speaker 2: for our out louders. What happens on this podcast sometimes
Speaker 2: is that Maya promises things and she doesn't follow through,
Speaker 2: and so our executive producer is left to pick up
Speaker 2: the pieces. Maya promised a few weeks ago that the
Speaker 2: best look alike we're talking about Doppelgang, it's you may remember,
Speaker 2: and do you remember who Mayor.
Speaker 3: Looks like so many people but Rachel mcad yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: But then I saw some photos and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Mate, they were very carefully selective photos.
Speaker 2: Doesn't look quite Rachel McAdams. Anyway, she said, the person
Speaker 2: who came up with the best doppelganger would get a prize,
Speaker 2: and we went through the mummea out Louders Facebook group
Speaker 2: to find the person who delivered, and the winner is
Speaker 2: a woman named Katie Scobel. Katie, can you please message
Speaker 2: us your address because we want to send you something
Speaker 2: very special. But she posted a picture of my doppelganger.
Speaker 3: Actually, who was that?
Speaker 2: Claire? I loved out loud it was so good. And
Speaker 2: then a lot of people actually said, you guys don't
Speaker 2: wannk that alike, and I was like, shut up anyway,
Speaker 2: so get in touch. We want to send you something
Speaker 2: because we are doing the job.
Speaker 1: MAYA should special mention to the person who put in
Speaker 1: that picture of Matilda Brown that does look exactly like me?
Speaker 1: Or actually, oh really yeah? I was like wow, I
Speaker 1: thought it was lots of people. She really does look
Speaker 1: like lots of people. And I want to thank all
Speaker 1: the outlouders for not putting any pictures in of anyone
Speaker 1: who might look like me, because as discussed, it's fraught.
Speaker 2: I think I saw someone put in a Rachel McAdams
Speaker 2: with brown hair thing and I went to roll my
Speaker 2: eyes and then it was like Mia Friedman and I
Speaker 2: was like get off, get out of this group.
Speaker 1: A massive thank you to all of you out louders
Speaker 1: for listening to today's show. We're going to be back
Speaker 1: in your ears next week. Emily Vernon read us out.
Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team, our group. Executive
Speaker 3: producer and snack queen Ruth Divine, who's best of the
Speaker 3: week was her husband starting a new job. It isn't
Speaker 3: a work from home job, so the house is cleaner
Speaker 3: and tidier because he's not there. Our executive producer Emily
Speaker 3: and Gazillas her best is a little smug because she's
Speaker 3: finished her Christmas shopping with humble brag.
Speaker 1: Finished your Christmas shopping shore Dad, What do.
Speaker 2: You need in a producer? Someone who finished can help.
Speaker 3: Our audio producer is Leah Porge's annoying Holly by putting
Speaker 3: up a Christmas tree on the first of December.
Speaker 1: First of December is just possible.
Speaker 3: That's okay well, And our video producer Josh Green, his
Speaker 3: best of the week was fishing with family, catching a
Speaker 3: bunch of flathead fish and cooking it up for dinner
Speaker 3: that night.
Speaker 2: Every stereotype I have about men.
Speaker 3: Thank God is not single, because he would just have
Speaker 3: that fish photo he would Wow.
Speaker 1: Impressive, Fu Louders, have a good weekend out loud as.
Speaker 2: We know you're not ready to say goodbye, which is
Speaker 2: why we're sharing a sneak peek of yesterday's subscriber episode.
Speaker 2: Holly and I answered your burning questions in another edition
Speaker 2: of Ask us anything, including the alternate career paths we
Speaker 2: might have taken.
Speaker 1: A psychologist there. I thought about that, and then and
Speaker 1: I know this is going to make me really unpopular
Speaker 1: for saying this. Too much winging, like I would find
Speaker 1: it frustrating. And I don't get me wrong, I've spoke
Speaker 1: to plenty of psychologists of my own winging, but I
Speaker 1: would find it a bit frustrating. I think if people
Speaker 1: were like, tell him and tell me, and I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what are we going to do about that? And then
Speaker 1: they just I might find the winging a bit of it.
Speaker 2: I would find the winging annoying if the person before
Speaker 2: them had objectively bigger problems, like I think I would
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