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Speaker 1: Loud and to our Friday show. Now, our Friday show

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Speaker 1: is where we take a break from the news cycle.

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Speaker 1: And today is Friday, the sixth of December, and I'm

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Speaker 1: Holly Waynwright and I think we're going to put the

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Speaker 1: tree up this weekend, even though for my liking it's

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm still

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Speaker 2: thinking about whether we're going to do a tree because

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Speaker 2: a lot of work, but I love the smell.

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Speaker 1: You got to do a tree.

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Speaker 1: You can get your mates together or you can go

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Speaker 1: Come, come, come on the show today. What is the

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Speaker 1: sibling wealth gap and is it the root of all

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Speaker 1: your family arguments? Also, our recommendations include a plea not

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Speaker 1: us It's best and worst of the week, but first

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Speaker 3: In case you missed it. It's that time of the

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Speaker 3: year where we collectively remember that dictionaries do in fact

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Speaker 2: They dorategy. It's beginning of December. It's a big week

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Speaker 3: True, I can't believe there's still so many out there,

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Speaker 3: Like truly, we're oversaturated with dictionaries now. But all the

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Speaker 3: major players in the dictionary world release their words of

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Speaker 3: in the zeitguist that they presume. So I've got the

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Speaker 3: list of all the words, and we may as well

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Speaker 1: So time to shine.

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Speaker 3: Colin's word of the year is Bratt.

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Speaker 1: Colin's that was word of like Jiljuly. I know the

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Speaker 2: Bratt feels totally. It feels like my grandfather has just

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Speaker 1: That is the reason why you don't have an issue

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Speaker 2: I think it describes the communal sense we all have

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Speaker 2: And because of all the content I've consumed between then

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Speaker 2: too interesting nihilistic about it. If you're feeling some tension

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Speaker 2: a phenomenon known as the sibling wealth gap. So what

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Speaker 3: I actually actually do. I do shout my family quite often.

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Speaker 3: My sister never does. She's younger, she's young, She's six

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Speaker 3: But I think we're also very different. I'm pretty fast

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Speaker 2: I expect that sibling. Can I ask a question, do

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Speaker 2: you and your sister know each other's salary? Yes? To

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It's not very British, is it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? No, I don't know and absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: I think what's interesting about this is your attitude to money,

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Speaker 1: in theory comes from your upbringing. But nature nurture plays

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Speaker 1: So every month my dad would go and do the

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Speaker 1: It can't be done. It's really different. The thing I'm

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Speaker 2: Well, feeling as though there's an expectation. I think that's

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Speaker 1: Would you be? You know, how you were saying, how

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Speaker 2: I would assume they had a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird thing.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a generation thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh I think we should walk around with our salaries

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Speaker 1: one day, and none of us have any idea what

440
00:20:46,407 --> 00:20:48,647
Speaker 1: each other earned. But it's like if someone gets a

441
00:20:48,687 --> 00:20:52,887
Speaker 1: pay rise or a windfall or wind we're always like, oh,

442
00:20:52,967 --> 00:20:56,207
Speaker 1: you're going to be the rich friend and they're like no, no, no,

443
00:20:56,407 --> 00:20:58,607
Speaker 1: Like one day, Holly, you'll sell a book to Hollywood

444
00:20:58,647 --> 00:21:00,847
Speaker 1: and you'll be the rich friend. And I'm like, oh,

445
00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:02,167
Speaker 1: you know, maybe.

446
00:21:02,207 --> 00:21:05,447
Speaker 2: Like who pays for the inn holiday exactly?

447
00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:08,287
Speaker 1: Who shouts when we go on our weekends away and stuff?

448
00:21:08,327 --> 00:21:10,127
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, not one of us are the rich

449
00:21:10,167 --> 00:21:10,727
Speaker 1: friend at this.

450
00:21:10,847 --> 00:21:12,727
Speaker 2: It's still time, Holly. What do you think you do

451
00:21:12,767 --> 00:21:13,527
Speaker 2: at Christmas time?

452
00:21:13,607 --> 00:21:13,847
Speaker 1: Though?

453
00:21:13,927 --> 00:21:16,567
Speaker 2: If there are multiple siblings and there's a gap, whether

454
00:21:16,607 --> 00:21:19,047
Speaker 2: it's presence, whether it's whose house, Because that's the thing,

455
00:21:19,047 --> 00:21:21,247
Speaker 2: it's the person who's got the biggest house that ends

456
00:21:21,327 --> 00:21:23,287
Speaker 2: up having to host it every year.

457
00:21:23,447 --> 00:21:26,007
Speaker 3: Often everyone just needs to move to Chris Kringle, and

458
00:21:26,007 --> 00:21:28,287
Speaker 3: there's a price limit. It's the only way. It's the

459
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Speaker 3: only way it works.

460
00:21:29,087 --> 00:21:31,687
Speaker 2: Yes or no gifts. We don't do gifts.

461
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Speaker 1: I like it.

462
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Speaker 3: Out louders in a moment. We're recommending things for your weekend,

463
00:21:37,647 --> 00:21:43,607
Speaker 3: and Jesse has two which contradict each other. It's Friday,

464
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Speaker 3: so we want to help you set up your weekend

465
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Speaker 3: with our best recommendations. Whole what do you have?

466
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Speaker 1: Potatoes?

467
00:21:50,127 --> 00:21:54,767
Speaker 2: He love potatoes, baked potatoes, hot shits, cold chips.

468
00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:57,167
Speaker 1: I love potatoes too, And you know, I'm just going

469
00:21:57,207 --> 00:21:58,847
Speaker 1: to say it because I think it's a gen X thing.

470
00:21:59,007 --> 00:22:03,607
Speaker 1: But like we grew up with Oprah like shouting at

471
00:22:03,687 --> 00:22:06,767
Speaker 1: us from magazines that you should eat potatoes because you know,

472
00:22:07,207 --> 00:22:09,207
Speaker 1: carbs were evil and all that, there is so much

473
00:22:09,327 --> 00:22:14,087
Speaker 1: joy in potato. I love the What's favoritecifically? The reason, well,

474
00:22:14,167 --> 00:22:16,367
Speaker 1: let me tell you, because the reason I'm recommending potatoes,

475
00:22:16,367 --> 00:22:18,887
Speaker 1: because I know that seems weird, is that we are

476
00:22:18,927 --> 00:22:21,447
Speaker 1: in my one of my favorite seasons on Instagram, which

477
00:22:21,567 --> 00:22:25,247
Speaker 1: is last year, I discovered this Instagram account called Poppy Cooks,

478
00:22:25,607 --> 00:22:29,487
Speaker 1: and she is this young chef called Popio Tool. She's British.

479
00:22:29,607 --> 00:22:33,527
Speaker 1: She lives in Birmingham. She's one of those internet chefs,

480
00:22:33,727 --> 00:22:36,447
Speaker 1: you know. And what she does every Christmas, it's like

481
00:22:36,447 --> 00:22:39,367
Speaker 1: an advent calendar for potatoes is she does twenty four

482
00:22:39,807 --> 00:22:42,607
Speaker 1: Christmas potato dishes and every day there's a new one,

483
00:22:42,847 --> 00:22:47,647
Speaker 1: and it's just videos, like drool worthy videos of potato dishes.

484
00:22:48,167 --> 00:22:51,087
Speaker 1: It's my little Christmas joy. So one day she'll do

485
00:22:51,207 --> 00:22:54,367
Speaker 1: like glass roasted potatoes, you know that have really crispy bottoms,

486
00:22:54,487 --> 00:22:56,807
Speaker 1: and another she'll do like mash dripping with butter, and

487
00:22:56,847 --> 00:22:58,887
Speaker 1: then she'll do loaded roast potatoes, and then she'll do

488
00:22:59,167 --> 00:23:01,607
Speaker 1: potato roasties and then and I don't I can't cook

489
00:23:01,607 --> 00:23:03,727
Speaker 1: all those things, and I'm not gonna cook all those things,

490
00:23:03,807 --> 00:23:05,167
Speaker 1: but I love looking at it.

491
00:23:05,167 --> 00:23:06,687
Speaker 3: It's like all of the joys from watching.

492
00:23:06,967 --> 00:23:09,247
Speaker 1: It's comfort from comfort food, you know what I mean.

493
00:23:09,287 --> 00:23:12,407
Speaker 1: And it's like anyway, So if you also love looking

494
00:23:12,407 --> 00:23:16,247
Speaker 1: at delicious food on Instagram, I'm recommending Poppy cooks twenty

495
00:23:16,287 --> 00:23:19,687
Speaker 1: four days of Christmas potatoes on Instagram. You'll only have

496
00:23:19,727 --> 00:23:21,687
Speaker 1: two what's the day today? It's like the eighth or something,

497
00:23:21,727 --> 00:23:23,767
Speaker 1: isn't it. You'll only have eight to catch up on.

498
00:23:23,807 --> 00:23:26,407
Speaker 1: And then every day, you'll have a potato tree in

499
00:23:26,447 --> 00:23:27,607
Speaker 1: your Instagram.

500
00:23:27,287 --> 00:23:29,367
Speaker 2: So I can addvan calendar, but it's a picture of potato.

501
00:23:29,487 --> 00:23:31,727
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And then one of those dishes I

502
00:23:31,807 --> 00:23:34,487
Speaker 1: might make for Christmas. But also I just liked looking

503
00:23:34,487 --> 00:23:35,767
Speaker 1: at it just makes me happy.

504
00:23:36,167 --> 00:23:39,887
Speaker 2: My recommendation. I have two that are in total contradictions.

505
00:23:39,887 --> 00:23:44,207
Speaker 2: So my first is a documentary on Netflix that all

506
00:23:44,247 --> 00:23:46,007
Speaker 2: the out louders told me to watch and they were right.

507
00:23:46,367 --> 00:23:49,727
Speaker 2: It's called Buy Now. I think watch it with your

508
00:23:49,807 --> 00:23:53,327
Speaker 2: family as like a learning experience for everyone, and it

509
00:23:53,367 --> 00:23:55,527
Speaker 2: will explain to them why you're not buying their Christmas

510
00:23:55,567 --> 00:23:59,647
Speaker 2: presence this year. Okay, buying this stuff feels great, right.

511
00:24:01,127 --> 00:24:03,647
Speaker 3: The problem is that every year we're.

512
00:24:03,487 --> 00:24:07,287
Speaker 1: Consuming more, producing more, and there's a flip side to.

513
00:24:07,247 --> 00:24:11,007
Speaker 3: That that no one wants.

514
00:24:10,807 --> 00:24:14,967
Speaker 2: You to see. I was president of the Adidas brand.

515
00:24:15,047 --> 00:24:16,047
Speaker 2: I started at Apple.

516
00:24:16,207 --> 00:24:18,087
Speaker 1: I worked at Amazon for fifteen years.

517
00:24:18,327 --> 00:24:22,007
Speaker 4: It's a highly refined science to get you to buy stuff.

518
00:24:22,447 --> 00:24:25,367
Speaker 3: They know you like we know you.

519
00:24:26,527 --> 00:24:30,767
Speaker 2: It is a docco about consumption. So it's like the

520
00:24:31,167 --> 00:24:34,007
Speaker 2: remember the Social Dilemma, which was all about social media.

521
00:24:34,047 --> 00:24:38,167
Speaker 2: It's that but for over consumption, and it's about all

522
00:24:38,167 --> 00:24:43,527
Speaker 2: the ways that we're manipulated into buying more. How technology

523
00:24:43,567 --> 00:24:46,687
Speaker 2: has purposely made it impossible to change the batteries, so

524
00:24:46,767 --> 00:24:48,647
Speaker 2: like you know, you can't change a battery of a

525
00:24:48,687 --> 00:24:50,127
Speaker 2: phone or whatever. You've got to throw it out and

526
00:24:50,127 --> 00:24:54,527
Speaker 2: get a totally new one. And sittification andification and what

527
00:24:54,927 --> 00:24:57,927
Speaker 2: fast fashion is doing to the planet. There's this incredible

528
00:24:57,927 --> 00:25:00,847
Speaker 2: scene with a woman who lives in Ghana. You can

529
00:25:00,887 --> 00:25:03,727
Speaker 2: see the shores of Ghana. Just it'll make you feel

530
00:25:03,727 --> 00:25:06,647
Speaker 2: sick the clothes, the clothes that are there, and not

531
00:25:06,687 --> 00:25:11,247
Speaker 2: even the clothes washing ghag because the amount of clothes

532
00:25:11,327 --> 00:25:14,207
Speaker 2: that are being produced every minute around the world, and

533
00:25:14,247 --> 00:25:16,527
Speaker 2: these often these are clothes that have never been worn.

534
00:25:16,807 --> 00:25:20,087
Speaker 2: It's just like this thing of I'm giving them away.

535
00:25:20,647 --> 00:25:22,247
Speaker 2: There is no and this is what they're saying that

536
00:25:22,327 --> 00:25:23,887
Speaker 2: there is no way. Where do you think it's going.

537
00:25:23,887 --> 00:25:25,687
Speaker 2: You know where it's going the shores of Gunner, so

538
00:25:26,327 --> 00:25:30,207
Speaker 2: you see the water and just shoes and toys and

539
00:25:30,367 --> 00:25:33,727
Speaker 2: clothes and everything, and she's just standing there, going, we

540
00:25:33,847 --> 00:25:36,407
Speaker 2: have enough clothes. Stop making clothes. We don't need any

541
00:25:36,407 --> 00:25:39,207
Speaker 2: more clothes. And then of course it comes down to

542
00:25:39,567 --> 00:25:41,567
Speaker 2: how all this stuff is getting into our waterways and

543
00:25:41,607 --> 00:25:44,167
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. It's very very front.

544
00:25:44,287 --> 00:25:46,607
Speaker 1: It's a good job, isn't here? Oh yeap, you're telling

545
00:25:46,687 --> 00:25:48,967
Speaker 1: it to stop buying clothes immediately. Wouldn't go down?

546
00:25:49,127 --> 00:25:50,967
Speaker 2: It is very depressing and is.

547
00:25:50,887 --> 00:25:53,207
Speaker 1: There anything like look, I hope.

548
00:25:53,407 --> 00:25:57,127
Speaker 2: My big takeaway is that it is the giants that

549
00:25:57,207 --> 00:25:59,847
Speaker 2: need to do something. We can try our best to recycle.

550
00:26:00,367 --> 00:26:04,807
Speaker 2: Our recycling is doing jack shit. It's like we need

551
00:26:04,847 --> 00:26:07,527
Speaker 2: to put pressure on the big brands to actually have

552
00:26:07,607 --> 00:26:10,687
Speaker 2: really sustainable policy and buy less. I have a feeling

553
00:26:10,687 --> 00:26:13,527
Speaker 2: that that trend's coming, though I reckon this o consumption things.

554
00:26:13,607 --> 00:26:13,847
Speaker 1: Yak.

555
00:26:13,967 --> 00:26:15,087
Speaker 2: It's like, I think.

556
00:26:14,927 --> 00:26:17,447
Speaker 1: You're right, and I know that there are pockets of

557
00:26:17,487 --> 00:26:20,807
Speaker 1: the community obviously who've been really rabbing that hard for

558
00:26:20,847 --> 00:26:24,087
Speaker 1: a while now buy less by less, But they're up

559
00:26:24,087 --> 00:26:26,847
Speaker 1: against this overwhelming wave of.

560
00:26:27,007 --> 00:26:30,527
Speaker 2: Power, and you know, and this thing of those giants,

561
00:26:30,527 --> 00:26:32,327
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of whistleblowers who have come out

562
00:26:32,327 --> 00:26:35,327
Speaker 2: from the big brands. Their thing that they create a

563
00:26:35,327 --> 00:26:37,647
Speaker 2: product and then once it's on a shelf, they clear

564
00:26:37,687 --> 00:26:39,807
Speaker 2: their hands of it. It's like people are going, no,

565
00:26:40,007 --> 00:26:42,407
Speaker 2: that's not how it works. What then happens to that

566
00:26:42,447 --> 00:26:45,047
Speaker 2: thing when someone has drunk out of it or eaten

567
00:26:45,047 --> 00:26:46,967
Speaker 2: the thing and the plastic still, Like, what are you

568
00:26:47,007 --> 00:26:49,087
Speaker 2: going to do with it? Anyway, if that's making me

569
00:26:49,087 --> 00:26:50,767
Speaker 2: feel depressed, and I have something to see you up,

570
00:26:50,767 --> 00:26:55,527
Speaker 2: which is a product Jesse, I'm sorry, this is just

571
00:26:58,127 --> 00:27:00,767
Speaker 2: this was one of my friends was like, watch by now,

572
00:27:01,007 --> 00:27:03,567
Speaker 2: and then three messages later she was like, this is

573
00:27:03,567 --> 00:27:05,607
Speaker 2: the last thing I'll say, but just like, buy this.

574
00:27:06,847 --> 00:27:10,127
Speaker 2: It'sfoliating thing. And anyway, I looked at it and I

575
00:27:10,167 --> 00:27:12,247
Speaker 2: reckon it took me two seconds. I bought it in store,

576
00:27:12,287 --> 00:27:13,647
Speaker 2: which is slightly better for the environment.

577
00:27:13,727 --> 00:27:16,287
Speaker 1: Hold up, because I haven't watched the documentary. Buying in

578
00:27:16,327 --> 00:27:17,607
Speaker 1: store is better for the environment?

579
00:27:17,727 --> 00:27:22,247
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not being sent to your yeah, packaging. Okay,

580
00:27:22,287 --> 00:27:24,487
Speaker 2: So I went in store because I am great Tomberg.

581
00:27:25,647 --> 00:27:28,207
Speaker 2: So I went in and I got it. Is called

582
00:27:28,287 --> 00:27:32,847
Speaker 2: the Wren Micropolish Cleanser. Are in Urrian, that's brand, and

583
00:27:32,927 --> 00:27:34,767
Speaker 2: get it from Mecca. You get it from Mecca, and

584
00:27:34,807 --> 00:27:36,727
Speaker 2: she said, you've got to try. This is giving my

585
00:27:36,767 --> 00:27:39,447
Speaker 2: skin this amazing glow. And because it's the time of

586
00:27:39,487 --> 00:27:41,647
Speaker 2: year where we're wearing a lot of sunscreen, more sunscreen

587
00:27:41,687 --> 00:27:45,087
Speaker 2: than maybe we ordinarily do. I was getting blocked paws

588
00:27:45,167 --> 00:27:47,927
Speaker 2: and I just lots of blemishes. I use this for

589
00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:50,607
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, all gone, all the little clog

590
00:27:51,087 --> 00:27:54,687
Speaker 2: little ducks, and I get quite obvious black heads on

591
00:27:54,727 --> 00:27:57,807
Speaker 2: my nose. I've tried it every letter of the alphabet

592
00:27:57,847 --> 00:27:59,487
Speaker 2: I have tried on my nose to get rid of them.

593
00:27:59,567 --> 00:28:03,127
Speaker 2: Nothing's ever fixed them. This has reduced their appearance. I

594
00:28:03,127 --> 00:28:04,447
Speaker 2: was looking in the mirror yesterday and I was like,

595
00:28:04,487 --> 00:28:06,047
Speaker 2: this is the only thing that's ever worked on them.

596
00:28:06,167 --> 00:28:07,127
Speaker 3: Like, am I wearing a filter?

597
00:28:07,487 --> 00:28:10,407
Speaker 2: Yes? And then I started getting anxious because I was like,

598
00:28:10,407 --> 00:28:12,167
Speaker 2: maybe this is bad for the environment. So I sent

599
00:28:12,207 --> 00:28:14,807
Speaker 2: it to Lee Campbell and I went, I know microbeads

600
00:28:14,847 --> 00:28:17,327
Speaker 2: are bad. Does this have microbs? No, it doesn't. It's

601
00:28:17,367 --> 00:28:20,487
Speaker 2: all organic and class so you're allowed to use it.

602
00:28:20,487 --> 00:28:23,767
Speaker 2: It is called the ren Micropolish Cleanser. The price varies

603
00:28:23,767 --> 00:28:26,047
Speaker 2: the where you get it from between about forty five

604
00:28:26,047 --> 00:28:28,967
Speaker 2: and fifty five, which is not cheap, but it might

605
00:28:29,007 --> 00:28:31,367
Speaker 2: be a little bit of a Christmas present, and it's

606
00:28:31,367 --> 00:28:33,727
Speaker 2: like giving yourself an at home facial. It's so good.

607
00:28:33,967 --> 00:28:36,047
Speaker 3: Okay, my recommendation.

608
00:28:36,207 --> 00:28:37,887
Speaker 1: Are we buying things? Yeah?

609
00:28:37,927 --> 00:28:42,007
Speaker 3: Well, well, saving and buying in a nice way. So

610
00:28:42,087 --> 00:28:44,527
Speaker 3: I want to recommend an app called cart It.

611
00:28:44,527 --> 00:28:45,567
Speaker 2: It's a free app.

612
00:28:45,367 --> 00:28:48,567
Speaker 3: That you can download and what you do is that

613
00:28:48,647 --> 00:28:51,087
Speaker 3: when you're thinking about buying something online.

614
00:28:51,127 --> 00:28:53,567
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's use what I've got an example for you. Yeah,

615
00:28:53,767 --> 00:28:56,167
Speaker 1: I've been eyeing off a particular pair of shoes for

616
00:28:56,167 --> 00:28:57,927
Speaker 1: a long time, but they're not cheap.

617
00:28:58,047 --> 00:29:00,687
Speaker 3: Great, that's a great example. You copy the url, you

618
00:29:00,807 --> 00:29:03,647
Speaker 3: paste it in this app, and it will notify you

619
00:29:03,727 --> 00:29:04,727
Speaker 3: when there's a discount.

620
00:29:05,767 --> 00:29:07,327
Speaker 1: And it's so good.

621
00:29:07,407 --> 00:29:09,407
Speaker 3: You can make lists and you can make group So

622
00:29:09,407 --> 00:29:11,487
Speaker 3: I have like a list for my mum, my dad,

623
00:29:11,567 --> 00:29:13,167
Speaker 3: my sister, and it's just like things that I think

624
00:29:13,207 --> 00:29:15,607
Speaker 3: they'll be interested in. And then I just wait for

625
00:29:15,687 --> 00:29:18,247
Speaker 3: things to be discounted. And I like, for the past

626
00:29:18,287 --> 00:29:20,607
Speaker 3: like three weeks, I've only bought discounted things.

627
00:29:21,647 --> 00:29:23,487
Speaker 2: So the reason why this is really good and give

628
00:29:23,527 --> 00:29:26,167
Speaker 2: them the trail, tell us Jesse, because we're not buying now.

629
00:29:26,407 --> 00:29:30,527
Speaker 2: No buy now is all about taking away any resistance

630
00:29:30,607 --> 00:29:32,247
Speaker 2: to the buying. So what they've tried to do is

631
00:29:32,287 --> 00:29:33,687
Speaker 2: that you're sitting in bed, you think of something and

632
00:29:33,727 --> 00:29:34,207
Speaker 2: you can buy with that.

633
00:29:34,447 --> 00:29:36,847
Speaker 1: They do it, We all do it. And especially you

634
00:29:36,887 --> 00:29:39,127
Speaker 1: know when I do that when I'm tired and emotional.

635
00:29:39,287 --> 00:29:40,887
Speaker 2: Yes, so it used to be you have to go

636
00:29:40,887 --> 00:29:42,767
Speaker 2: to the shop, blah blah blah. What I like about

637
00:29:42,767 --> 00:29:45,087
Speaker 2: this is that we've got some time to think. Yeah,

638
00:29:45,127 --> 00:29:47,047
Speaker 2: and we're just slowing down and we're waiting for the

639
00:29:47,087 --> 00:29:50,047
Speaker 2: discount rather than like impulsively just buying what we need.

640
00:29:50,087 --> 00:29:51,207
Speaker 2: So I feel like you're paying various.

641
00:29:51,367 --> 00:29:53,327
Speaker 3: And what I've noticed is that I actually delete stuff

642
00:29:53,327 --> 00:29:55,207
Speaker 3: off my list that don't get discount because I get

643
00:29:55,207 --> 00:29:57,767
Speaker 3: pissed off. Yeah, like be discounted, I'll get off my

644
00:29:57,807 --> 00:29:59,167
Speaker 3: list so I don't buy it.

645
00:29:59,527 --> 00:30:01,727
Speaker 2: That's so good in the lead up to Christmas.

646
00:30:01,327 --> 00:30:05,007
Speaker 3: Yeah, and called against Carted great And it's a free

647
00:30:05,047 --> 00:30:07,407
Speaker 3: apt a free app easy after the break.

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656
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Speaker 1: a little bit more. In case you haven't heard enough

657
00:30:44,727 --> 00:30:47,527
Speaker 1: about us this week. Really Emily vernon, what were your

658
00:30:47,567 --> 00:30:49,367
Speaker 1: best and worst of the week this week?

659
00:30:49,767 --> 00:30:53,327
Speaker 3: My worst of the week is I disappointed a friend

660
00:30:53,487 --> 00:30:56,007
Speaker 3: last week, and she called me out on it.

661
00:30:56,527 --> 00:30:59,287
Speaker 1: Because you're a really good friend and your friends are

662
00:30:59,367 --> 00:31:01,407
Speaker 1: very important to you. Yes, what did you do?

663
00:31:01,927 --> 00:31:04,087
Speaker 3: I didn't realize I was doing this, and I shouldn't

664
00:31:04,087 --> 00:31:05,687
Speaker 3: because I call people out who do this to me.

665
00:31:05,887 --> 00:31:08,567
Speaker 3: But I was meant to get dinner with this friend

666
00:31:08,687 --> 00:31:11,407
Speaker 3: for a while now, and I kept doing the whole

667
00:31:11,767 --> 00:31:14,247
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, something's come up. I'm so sorry. I'm

668
00:31:14,247 --> 00:31:16,527
Speaker 3: really tired. I'm so sorry. I just can't make it.

669
00:31:16,887 --> 00:31:20,047
Speaker 3: And then I did the thing of like December is

670
00:31:20,047 --> 00:31:23,287
Speaker 3: so crazy for everyone, Like I have so many work events,

671
00:31:23,407 --> 00:31:25,447
Speaker 3: I'm catching up with everyone, I have all this family stuff.

672
00:31:25,487 --> 00:31:27,087
Speaker 3: Do you mind if we just catch up in the

673
00:31:27,167 --> 00:31:31,527
Speaker 3: new year. And she called me out because I've seen

674
00:31:31,607 --> 00:31:33,407
Speaker 3: like a lot of people say, like it's so busy

675
00:31:33,407 --> 00:31:36,287
Speaker 3: for everyone. Everyone just like move everything to the next year, like,

676
00:31:36,327 --> 00:31:40,047
Speaker 3: don't worry about meeting anyone. And she said that she

677
00:31:40,607 --> 00:31:43,847
Speaker 3: is someone whose culture doesn't celebrate Christmas, and she also

678
00:31:44,007 --> 00:31:46,367
Speaker 3: lives in Australia by herself, like a family live overseas,

679
00:31:46,407 --> 00:31:47,767
Speaker 3: so she doesn't have a lot of people here, and

680
00:31:47,807 --> 00:31:50,687
Speaker 3: she's like, to be perfectly honest with you, like I

681
00:31:50,687 --> 00:31:53,447
Speaker 3: don't have anyone here, and every time it's December and Australia,

682
00:31:53,447 --> 00:31:54,967
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone who's puts me on hold till

683
00:31:54,967 --> 00:31:58,487
Speaker 3: the next year. I'm good on her for saying, yea,

684
00:31:58,567 --> 00:32:00,287
Speaker 3: I love her, like she's one of my best friends,

685
00:32:00,287 --> 00:32:01,647
Speaker 3: and I'm so glad she said that. And it just

686
00:32:01,647 --> 00:32:04,567
Speaker 3: made me realize that just because a lot of us

687
00:32:04,607 --> 00:32:07,527
Speaker 3: who I guess celebrate Christmas always say it's so busy,

688
00:32:07,607 --> 00:32:10,047
Speaker 3: it's not for everyone, Like there are so people who

689
00:32:10,127 --> 00:32:12,447
Speaker 3: actually aren't busy this year, and they're just waiting for

690
00:32:12,487 --> 00:32:14,047
Speaker 3: the rest of us to stop being busy.

691
00:32:14,127 --> 00:32:17,527
Speaker 1: You know why that's particularly interesting him is because you

692
00:32:17,607 --> 00:32:21,167
Speaker 1: might assume, and this is like cultural ignorance lots of ways,

693
00:32:21,567 --> 00:32:24,367
Speaker 1: that it's not about celebrating Christmas. It's about the fact

694
00:32:24,367 --> 00:32:27,687
Speaker 1: that suddenly everyone seems to be having parties and all

695
00:32:27,727 --> 00:32:31,687
Speaker 1: those things, but they are all like culturally related to Christmas, right,

696
00:32:31,727 --> 00:32:34,607
Speaker 1: And if that's not your thing, you know, then it's

697
00:32:34,687 --> 00:32:35,527
Speaker 1: it's a different act.

698
00:32:35,487 --> 00:32:37,247
Speaker 2: And depending on your stage of life, Like there are

699
00:32:37,247 --> 00:32:39,847
Speaker 2: some people, yeah, that might be going to Christmas parties

700
00:32:39,927 --> 00:32:41,607
Speaker 2: or kids things or friends things, and then there are

701
00:32:41,647 --> 00:32:43,847
Speaker 2: others who might not have anything on. And actually it's

702
00:32:43,887 --> 00:32:46,327
Speaker 2: just a really depressing time of year because you're also

703
00:32:46,367 --> 00:32:47,927
Speaker 2: comparing yourself to everyone.

704
00:32:47,647 --> 00:32:49,127
Speaker 3: And they're like, Okay, I'll just wait for you till

705
00:32:49,167 --> 00:32:50,807
Speaker 3: jan I guess, like everyone else.

706
00:32:50,927 --> 00:32:52,807
Speaker 1: What did you say? How did it go in this conversation?

707
00:32:52,887 --> 00:32:55,487
Speaker 3: So I was like, you're so right, and I thanked her,

708
00:32:55,527 --> 00:32:58,727
Speaker 3: and I like immediately canceled, like to other friends that

709
00:32:58,847 --> 00:33:00,567
Speaker 3: night so I can hang out with her, because I

710
00:33:00,607 --> 00:33:02,847
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, so it's so fair, And I'm like

711
00:33:02,927 --> 00:33:05,287
Speaker 3: every year, I feel like if you're in this like

712
00:33:05,367 --> 00:33:07,687
Speaker 3: huge Christmas thing that I am with my family where

713
00:33:07,727 --> 00:33:10,327
Speaker 3: I always complain about how to go to family and

714
00:33:10,367 --> 00:33:12,647
Speaker 3: see family or time, it's actually quite a privilege. And

715
00:33:13,087 --> 00:33:14,327
Speaker 3: if you have a friend that just wants to hang out,

716
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:15,007
Speaker 3: just hang out with them.

717
00:33:15,287 --> 00:33:17,767
Speaker 1: I like that. She said it, Yeah, so what's your best?

718
00:33:18,087 --> 00:33:20,607
Speaker 3: My best is? Oh my god, this is so bad.

719
00:33:20,687 --> 00:33:23,327
Speaker 3: I went on to pitt Street Mall on the weekend

720
00:33:23,607 --> 00:33:28,287
Speaker 3: and oh, by now, literally it was in the midst

721
00:33:28,367 --> 00:33:31,007
Speaker 3: of like that between of like Black Friday sales and

722
00:33:31,047 --> 00:33:34,167
Speaker 3: Cyber Monday sales. Yes, and it was my best because

723
00:33:34,207 --> 00:33:36,447
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone who lives in the city of

724
00:33:36,527 --> 00:33:37,967
Speaker 3: goes in the city on the weekend during this time

725
00:33:38,007 --> 00:33:41,447
Speaker 3: of the year hate it. They're like, everyone's screaming, everyone's angry,

726
00:33:41,567 --> 00:33:43,807
Speaker 3: no one can get what they want. And I love it, like,

727
00:33:43,887 --> 00:33:46,087
Speaker 3: I love it so much. I'm one of those people

728
00:33:46,127 --> 00:33:49,207
Speaker 3: who just loves the hustle and bustle and the prams

729
00:33:49,207 --> 00:33:52,087
Speaker 3: and the crying and the screaming and people yelling at me.

730
00:33:52,527 --> 00:33:53,927
Speaker 3: It's like, fine, you're the second.

731
00:33:53,967 --> 00:33:55,807
Speaker 1: But I heard someone else in the office the other

732
00:33:55,847 --> 00:33:57,647
Speaker 1: day saying I went in real life shopping on the

733
00:33:57,687 --> 00:33:59,767
Speaker 1: weekend and I've forgotten how fun it was. So I

734
00:33:59,807 --> 00:34:00,687
Speaker 1: reckon there's like.

735
00:34:00,607 --> 00:34:03,447
Speaker 3: A return and having for like years with the pandemic,

736
00:34:03,607 --> 00:34:05,887
Speaker 3: and I'm like people watching and watching these families like

737
00:34:05,887 --> 00:34:08,167
Speaker 3: absolutely hate their lives and they're like, they're like, get

738
00:34:08,207 --> 00:34:09,607
Speaker 3: me out of the city, even though I have to

739
00:34:09,607 --> 00:34:11,767
Speaker 3: buy all these gifts and these teenage boys complaining that

740
00:34:11,767 --> 00:34:13,727
Speaker 3: their feet hurt because my mum gives trying on clothes.

741
00:34:14,047 --> 00:34:15,167
Speaker 3: I love it.

742
00:34:15,167 --> 00:34:16,167
Speaker 2: It's great people watching.

743
00:34:16,167 --> 00:34:19,807
Speaker 1: It's so good. There is a buzz about Christmas shopping.

744
00:34:19,807 --> 00:34:23,007
Speaker 2: My worst this is a weird one. I was speaking

745
00:34:23,047 --> 00:34:25,927
Speaker 2: to Holly and Mayer about this earlier this week that

746
00:34:26,007 --> 00:34:29,207
Speaker 2: I've psyched myself out. Let me explain. Before I talked

747
00:34:29,207 --> 00:34:30,807
Speaker 2: about this, I was like, maybe I'll be cryptic, and

748
00:34:30,807 --> 00:34:32,487
Speaker 2: then I went, no, no, no, it's too hard. I'm

749
00:34:32,527 --> 00:34:35,247
Speaker 2: just gonna be honest about it. I did a speaking

750
00:34:35,247 --> 00:34:37,487
Speaker 2: event with Claire over the weekend, which was so much fun.

751
00:34:37,527 --> 00:34:40,807
Speaker 2: We did a canceled live thing right and nothing went wrong.

752
00:34:41,527 --> 00:34:43,567
Speaker 2: But for some reason over that, I would say the

753
00:34:43,607 --> 00:34:48,887
Speaker 2: last few years, my anxiety about speaking has really increased.

754
00:34:48,887 --> 00:34:51,127
Speaker 2: And it's really weird because I think about being a kid,

755
00:34:51,967 --> 00:34:54,887
Speaker 2: and I have always loved, even when I was shy,

756
00:34:55,327 --> 00:34:58,247
Speaker 2: loved speaking in front of people, like I love the

757
00:34:58,367 --> 00:35:00,487
Speaker 2: art of it. I like preparing for it. I like

758
00:35:00,847 --> 00:35:01,687
Speaker 2: the audience.

759
00:35:01,727 --> 00:35:02,807
Speaker 1: It's a big part of your job.

760
00:35:03,007 --> 00:35:05,087
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big part of my job. And I've

761
00:35:05,447 --> 00:35:09,607
Speaker 2: liked challenging myself and having mini goals and feeling like

762
00:35:09,687 --> 00:35:12,207
Speaker 2: I'm getting better at a thing, and something has happened

763
00:35:12,807 --> 00:35:15,527
Speaker 2: where I feel like I don't know how to get

764
00:35:15,567 --> 00:35:18,127
Speaker 2: better at that thing, and I walk off stage often

765
00:35:18,887 --> 00:35:21,247
Speaker 2: feeling like I've not done a good job, but I

766
00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:25,207
Speaker 2: can't tangibly say what it was. And it's like I've

767
00:35:25,207 --> 00:35:29,287
Speaker 2: got some weird psychological block or like just I've psyched

768
00:35:29,287 --> 00:35:29,847
Speaker 2: myself out.

769
00:35:30,007 --> 00:35:31,647
Speaker 3: Has this like slowly started, it's happened or was it

770
00:35:31,687 --> 00:35:32,607
Speaker 3: the thing at the moment?

771
00:35:32,647 --> 00:35:34,607
Speaker 2: But a friend said that she was like, did something

772
00:35:34,647 --> 00:35:36,447
Speaker 2: happen that threw you off? And I'm like, I can't

773
00:35:36,447 --> 00:35:40,367
Speaker 2: think of the moment. I've wondered if it is. Since

774
00:35:40,407 --> 00:35:43,527
Speaker 2: having a baby, my anxiety levels are just generally higher,

775
00:35:44,127 --> 00:35:47,767
Speaker 2: and when you get into that hyper arousal anxiety state,

776
00:35:48,207 --> 00:35:50,967
Speaker 2: I'm just thrown into a state where I'm really uncomfortable

777
00:35:51,007 --> 00:35:53,847
Speaker 2: in a way that I wasn't before. And that's affecting me,

778
00:35:53,967 --> 00:35:56,127
Speaker 2: and it's affecting my focus. Like even on stage, I

779
00:35:56,127 --> 00:35:58,567
Speaker 2: feel like I'm being pulled. I'm very in my head

780
00:35:58,767 --> 00:36:01,007
Speaker 2: and I can't get into the moment and I'm not

781
00:36:01,167 --> 00:36:04,407
Speaker 2: enjoying it as much and I want to enjoy it

782
00:36:04,447 --> 00:36:07,967
Speaker 2: and it's one of my favorite things. And so my

783
00:36:08,087 --> 00:36:10,247
Speaker 2: week has been like, oh, I'm going to fix this.

784
00:36:10,847 --> 00:36:12,847
Speaker 2: So I reached out to a bunch of friends who

785
00:36:13,087 --> 00:36:15,287
Speaker 2: work in like stand up comedy, and I was like,

786
00:36:15,327 --> 00:36:17,127
Speaker 2: what do I do, Like, surely I'm not the first

787
00:36:17,127 --> 00:36:19,767
Speaker 2: person to ever experience this. Give me some advice. I

788
00:36:19,887 --> 00:36:22,487
Speaker 2: reached out. This is so wanky, Holly's going to laugh.

789
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:31,367
Speaker 2: I reached out to a performance psychologist. Honestly, you know

790
00:36:31,447 --> 00:36:33,367
Speaker 2: you've lost a pot in December when you're sending an

791
00:36:33,407 --> 00:36:36,567
Speaker 2: email of inquiry to a performance psychologist.

792
00:36:36,647 --> 00:36:38,927
Speaker 1: This is and I know that this is not a

793
00:36:38,927 --> 00:36:41,967
Speaker 1: helpful thing to say, But anyone who has ever seen

794
00:36:42,047 --> 00:36:45,727
Speaker 1: Jesse speak, like on the TV, on this podcast, in

795
00:36:45,767 --> 00:36:48,567
Speaker 1: the live show, like at a million events that I've

796
00:36:48,567 --> 00:36:53,207
Speaker 1: done with you, You're great?

797
00:36:53,247 --> 00:36:54,407
Speaker 2: How good does she want to be?

798
00:36:55,287 --> 00:36:58,207
Speaker 1: Anyway? I like this about you constantly and self improvement

799
00:36:59,367 --> 00:37:01,287
Speaker 1: the performance psychologists.

800
00:37:01,687 --> 00:37:03,367
Speaker 2: She hasn't got back every yet. But then I reached

801
00:37:03,407 --> 00:37:05,127
Speaker 2: out to my acting friend, who said, you teach me

802
00:37:05,167 --> 00:37:07,607
Speaker 2: some breath work, and I was like, commer holidays, all

803
00:37:07,647 --> 00:37:09,807
Speaker 2: sort of. I'm going to come back do a course

804
00:37:09,847 --> 00:37:11,927
Speaker 2: with MEA and Holly. I'm gonna be like, guys, I

805
00:37:11,967 --> 00:37:13,607
Speaker 2: have invented a course in performance.

806
00:37:13,847 --> 00:37:15,767
Speaker 1: By the time we go on tour next year.

807
00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:19,487
Speaker 2: I am gonna be Michelle O. No one's ever performed

808
00:37:19,527 --> 00:37:21,287
Speaker 2: like Jesse, and I'm going to be in the toilet

809
00:37:21,327 --> 00:37:25,207
Speaker 2: being like blah blah blah blah, like doing my It's

810
00:37:25,207 --> 00:37:28,167
Speaker 2: gonna be amazing. Come to the Out Loud Live show.

811
00:37:28,207 --> 00:37:30,567
Speaker 2: It's gonna be really interesting when I do a tap

812
00:37:30,647 --> 00:37:36,127
Speaker 2: dancing routine. My best was on Sunday. I was going

813
00:37:36,207 --> 00:37:38,127
Speaker 2: to take Luna to the park in the afternoon. Remember

814
00:37:38,167 --> 00:37:41,687
Speaker 2: there was that insane storm. There was hail. It just

815
00:37:41,847 --> 00:37:44,447
Speaker 2: was like apocalyptic outside, and it was about two o'clock

816
00:37:44,487 --> 00:37:46,847
Speaker 2: and I went, oh, no, I'm stuck inside with Luna.

817
00:37:46,847 --> 00:37:48,487
Speaker 2: What are we going to do? I was like, We're

818
00:37:48,527 --> 00:37:49,847
Speaker 2: just going to get in the bath for an hour.

819
00:37:50,407 --> 00:37:53,247
Speaker 2: And I left the bathroom windows all open, so a

820
00:37:53,247 --> 00:37:54,927
Speaker 2: bit of rain was coming in while I was sitting

821
00:37:54,927 --> 00:37:58,047
Speaker 2: in the bar. And we sat there and it was

822
00:37:58,567 --> 00:38:03,607
Speaker 2: one of those idealic afternoons that you picture when you've

823
00:38:03,607 --> 00:38:05,527
Speaker 2: got like a little kid and we just hung in

824
00:38:05,527 --> 00:38:07,607
Speaker 2: the bath with their little boat and a little monkey.

825
00:38:07,927 --> 00:38:10,207
Speaker 2: Lucal walk pass was like Jesi and Luna and we're

826
00:38:10,287 --> 00:38:12,287
Speaker 2: just hanging in the bar like I have.

827
00:38:12,247 --> 00:38:13,047
Speaker 3: Nowhere to be.

828
00:38:13,647 --> 00:38:17,847
Speaker 2: Like ah, it was just the votes relaxing, fulfilling something.

829
00:38:17,887 --> 00:38:20,007
Speaker 2: It was amazing. Holly, what was your worst?

830
00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:21,807
Speaker 1: My worst is related to a lot of what we've

831
00:38:21,767 --> 00:38:24,087
Speaker 1: been talking about today. Actually, it's that this time of year,

832
00:38:24,207 --> 00:38:26,607
Speaker 1: and it happens to us every single year. It's this

833
00:38:26,687 --> 00:38:29,367
Speaker 1: whole how are you oh, just crawling to the end

834
00:38:29,447 --> 00:38:29,847
Speaker 1: of the year.

835
00:38:29,887 --> 00:38:31,487
Speaker 3: We literally had this conversation today.

836
00:38:31,687 --> 00:38:34,847
Speaker 1: Everybody just says the same thing, including me, and for

837
00:38:35,127 --> 00:38:38,807
Speaker 1: parents of school age kids. It is the time when

838
00:38:39,367 --> 00:38:42,727
Speaker 1: everything like it's speech night, and it's Christmas Carols, and

839
00:38:42,767 --> 00:38:45,727
Speaker 1: it's end of year assembly and it's graduation, you know,

840
00:38:45,847 --> 00:38:48,927
Speaker 1: everybody's catch ups, and every year it gets to this

841
00:38:49,007 --> 00:38:51,927
Speaker 1: time of year and we all just start to fall apart.

842
00:38:52,407 --> 00:38:55,327
Speaker 1: And it's funny, because it's not funny, but I'll share

843
00:38:55,367 --> 00:38:57,247
Speaker 1: this because I'm sure there are other parents out there

844
00:38:57,287 --> 00:38:59,407
Speaker 1: like this is that I can't go to a lot

845
00:38:59,407 --> 00:39:01,567
Speaker 1: of the end of year things this year because of work,

846
00:39:01,807 --> 00:39:05,687
Speaker 1: and you feel terrible about it, but also secretly.

847
00:39:06,647 --> 00:39:07,847
Speaker 2: They're really boring.

848
00:39:08,327 --> 00:39:11,447
Speaker 1: Well it's prettyuar. So my son Billy finishes primary school

849
00:39:11,487 --> 00:39:13,927
Speaker 1: this year, which is a really big milestone, and I

850
00:39:13,967 --> 00:39:15,847
Speaker 1: am sad that I can't go to quite a few things,

851
00:39:16,087 --> 00:39:18,007
Speaker 1: but I also have to just face up to my

852
00:39:18,007 --> 00:39:20,487
Speaker 1: life choices and I will be at work at those times,

853
00:39:21,087 --> 00:39:24,687
Speaker 1: and so it's like a lot of emotional like push

854
00:39:24,727 --> 00:39:26,047
Speaker 1: and pull and I should be at that and I

855
00:39:26,047 --> 00:39:27,687
Speaker 1: shouldn't be at that. And then if you are the

856
00:39:27,687 --> 00:39:29,767
Speaker 1: person who's at them all, it's all the logistics. And

857
00:39:29,807 --> 00:39:32,007
Speaker 1: if you've got lots of kids at different schools, like

858
00:39:32,727 --> 00:39:35,727
Speaker 1: no wonder parents get to Christmas and just collapse.

859
00:39:35,487 --> 00:39:38,087
Speaker 2: Like can I ask have your kids outgrown elf on

860
00:39:38,127 --> 00:39:38,527
Speaker 2: the shelf?

861
00:39:38,647 --> 00:39:41,167
Speaker 1: Well, of course they have, but we still have it.

862
00:39:41,647 --> 00:39:43,767
Speaker 1: You still do it, yeah, because you know, we talked

863
00:39:43,767 --> 00:39:48,007
Speaker 1: about one and now Matilda moves it around herself like

864
00:39:48,807 --> 00:39:52,887
Speaker 1: it's like healthy. Because the thing is is, it's like

865
00:39:53,487 --> 00:39:55,607
Speaker 1: what I've learned this year in particular with the age

866
00:39:55,647 --> 00:39:57,367
Speaker 1: of kids around this is, you know the conversations we're

867
00:39:57,367 --> 00:40:00,807
Speaker 1: having about Christmas trees and advent calendars is our Christmas

868
00:40:00,887 --> 00:40:03,927
Speaker 1: traditions are now deeply embedded, so it doesn't really matter

869
00:40:03,927 --> 00:40:05,847
Speaker 1: whether they believe in it or not. They're like first

870
00:40:05,887 --> 00:40:08,207
Speaker 1: of December, the elves arrivee, you know what I mean.

871
00:40:08,647 --> 00:40:10,487
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of part of it now. But

872
00:40:10,527 --> 00:40:13,687
Speaker 1: obviously the pressure is off in that super magical like

873
00:40:14,047 --> 00:40:15,967
Speaker 1: where are they going to be? But we still have

874
00:40:16,087 --> 00:40:18,167
Speaker 1: to do it because it's now become part of the thing.

875
00:40:18,287 --> 00:40:20,767
Speaker 2: But they're not up at five am looking for ELF anymore.

876
00:40:20,847 --> 00:40:23,687
Speaker 1: Well no, but Billy was excited to know if they

877
00:40:23,727 --> 00:40:25,327
Speaker 1: were going to come, and then he wanted to know

878
00:40:25,367 --> 00:40:27,327
Speaker 1: if they were going to change outfits, and he wanted

879
00:40:27,367 --> 00:40:28,287
Speaker 1: to know if they were going to have this and that,

880
00:40:28,407 --> 00:40:30,687
Speaker 1: and like he's too old to really believe, but it's

881
00:40:30,727 --> 00:40:33,447
Speaker 1: just become part of the fun. So you lean into

882
00:40:33,487 --> 00:40:35,847
Speaker 1: all that. But it is just another job. It's crazy.

883
00:40:35,887 --> 00:40:37,887
Speaker 1: So anyway, my worst of the week is the crawling

884
00:40:37,927 --> 00:40:40,767
Speaker 1: to the end of the year. I see you all.

885
00:40:40,807 --> 00:40:42,767
Speaker 1: My best of the week is and this is a

886
00:40:42,767 --> 00:40:45,807
Speaker 1: big one. Right, So I went and had a mammogram

887
00:40:45,847 --> 00:40:50,567
Speaker 1: on Friday. Because I'm fifty something, I now get alerts

888
00:40:50,647 --> 00:40:53,247
Speaker 1: like one of the wonderful things about our wonderful health system,

889
00:40:53,247 --> 00:40:55,847
Speaker 1: which you know it struggles at times, but once you're

890
00:40:55,847 --> 00:40:58,847
Speaker 1: over fifty, you get free breast screens. Right, so you'll

891
00:40:58,847 --> 00:41:02,687
Speaker 1: get a text that says you're due for your mammogram.

892
00:41:03,007 --> 00:41:05,327
Speaker 1: Click this link, make an appointment, come along. I did

893
00:41:05,327 --> 00:41:07,767
Speaker 1: it on Friday. Couldn't have been easier, Like I just

894
00:41:07,847 --> 00:41:10,287
Speaker 1: went to my local one down in an hour, in

895
00:41:10,367 --> 00:41:12,927
Speaker 1: and out, five minutes, etc. The reason why this is

896
00:41:12,967 --> 00:41:14,967
Speaker 1: particularly my best is because the best thing that happened

897
00:41:14,967 --> 00:41:16,567
Speaker 1: to me this week actually is that I caught up

898
00:41:16,567 --> 00:41:18,887
Speaker 1: with one of my good mates Lucy who you know Jesse,

899
00:41:19,007 --> 00:41:21,687
Speaker 1: who we used to work with years ago, and she

900
00:41:22,127 --> 00:41:26,047
Speaker 1: has just completed five months of chemo for breast cancer.

901
00:41:26,327 --> 00:41:29,327
Speaker 1: And she's way younger than me, She's like thirty seven,

902
00:41:29,567 --> 00:41:31,807
Speaker 1: and she has no family history of it, and there

903
00:41:31,847 --> 00:41:33,847
Speaker 1: was no reason to think that might happen to her.

904
00:41:34,367 --> 00:41:37,207
Speaker 1: And she is not out of the woods. She has

905
00:41:37,247 --> 00:41:40,847
Speaker 1: still got radiotherapy and surgery to come. But the reason

906
00:41:40,887 --> 00:41:43,767
Speaker 1: why it's my best is she doesn't live in Sydney.

907
00:41:43,807 --> 00:41:46,007
Speaker 1: She lives in Melbourne and we talk every day. I

908
00:41:46,047 --> 00:41:48,287
Speaker 1: send her a little glimmer every day while she's been

909
00:41:48,327 --> 00:41:49,887
Speaker 1: going through this and we are in tos. But I

910
00:41:49,927 --> 00:41:53,647
Speaker 1: hadn't seen her at all since she'd started her treatment.

911
00:41:54,487 --> 00:41:56,327
Speaker 1: So I saw her because I went down to Melbourne

912
00:41:56,327 --> 00:41:58,687
Speaker 1: for work and it was so lovely and we went

913
00:41:58,727 --> 00:42:02,887
Speaker 1: out for dinner and she is like, you know how

914
00:42:02,927 --> 00:42:04,767
Speaker 1: when you talk about people who are going through really

915
00:42:04,767 --> 00:42:06,687
Speaker 1: hard things, and it's so you want everything to have

916
00:42:06,727 --> 00:42:08,007
Speaker 1: this really neat narrative where.

917
00:42:07,887 --> 00:42:10,047
Speaker 2: It's like it's been harder now you're great.

918
00:42:10,167 --> 00:42:15,247
Speaker 1: It's been like it's been incredibly hard, and she's not great,

919
00:42:15,527 --> 00:42:20,807
Speaker 1: but she's also like still here and doing really well,

920
00:42:20,847 --> 00:42:23,287
Speaker 1: like in terms of just getting through it.

921
00:42:23,407 --> 00:42:26,367
Speaker 2: We're turning up at dinner, she picks.

922
00:42:26,167 --> 00:42:28,207
Speaker 1: Me up to the airport. We just were like, it's

923
00:42:28,287 --> 00:42:31,607
Speaker 1: just so wonderful to see her and to be together

924
00:42:31,647 --> 00:42:34,247
Speaker 1: and hear about all that, and I just feel so lucky.

925
00:42:35,527 --> 00:42:37,647
Speaker 1: I'd say that everybody get your boobs checked, but I

926
00:42:37,687 --> 00:42:39,207
Speaker 1: know that not everybody can just go and get the

927
00:42:39,207 --> 00:42:41,327
Speaker 1: boobs checked the way that you can when you're my age.

928
00:42:41,687 --> 00:42:45,407
Speaker 1: But if anybody is worried about anything in your body,

929
00:42:45,487 --> 00:42:47,127
Speaker 1: just go and check it out. But my best of

930
00:42:47,127 --> 00:42:48,687
Speaker 1: the week, no question, is getting to hang out with

931
00:42:48,727 --> 00:42:53,047
Speaker 1: my wonderful, brave, excellent mate Lucy, who still has some

932
00:42:53,047 --> 00:42:54,447
Speaker 1: stuff ahead of her but has been through a lot

933
00:42:54,487 --> 00:42:56,007
Speaker 1: this year. And we were talking about it, and it

934
00:42:56,047 --> 00:43:00,087
Speaker 1: was one of those conversations where you're like properly deep conversations,

935
00:43:00,127 --> 00:43:02,247
Speaker 1: but also where all the things that she's been through

936
00:43:02,287 --> 00:43:05,247
Speaker 1: this year she'll always have with her, Like she can't

937
00:43:05,287 --> 00:43:08,047
Speaker 1: believe the things that she's got through, you know.

938
00:43:08,247 --> 00:43:10,167
Speaker 2: Out of nowhere, because I and a lump I know

939
00:43:10,487 --> 00:43:13,607
Speaker 2: and that's actually they say. I remember reading once that

940
00:43:13,727 --> 00:43:15,847
Speaker 2: at the beginning of every new season you should check

941
00:43:15,847 --> 00:43:17,767
Speaker 2: your boobs, because I think you meant to check four

942
00:43:17,767 --> 00:43:19,847
Speaker 2: times a year, and it's summer, and it just this

943
00:43:19,927 --> 00:43:22,567
Speaker 2: week summer. So I think it's a very good reminder

944
00:43:22,607 --> 00:43:25,087
Speaker 2: for us all to check for any lump. Because she

945
00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:27,647
Speaker 2: came across a lump at you know, mid thirties Zacht.

946
00:43:27,767 --> 00:43:29,807
Speaker 2: You just wouldn't ever think that was going to happen. No,

947
00:43:29,967 --> 00:43:32,087
Speaker 2: So check your boobs, everybody, do the right thing.

948
00:43:32,247 --> 00:43:34,687
Speaker 1: But also life is good.

949
00:43:35,127 --> 00:43:39,247
Speaker 2: Yes, look, we have one last piece of exciting news

950
00:43:39,327 --> 00:43:41,767
Speaker 2: for our out louders. What happens on this podcast sometimes

951
00:43:41,807 --> 00:43:44,487
Speaker 2: is that Maya promises things and she doesn't follow through,

952
00:43:44,567 --> 00:43:46,967
Speaker 2: and so our executive producer is left to pick up

953
00:43:47,007 --> 00:43:51,207
Speaker 2: the pieces. Maya promised a few weeks ago that the

954
00:43:51,207 --> 00:43:53,967
Speaker 2: best look alike we're talking about Doppelgang, it's you may remember,

955
00:43:54,327 --> 00:43:55,687
Speaker 2: and do you remember who Mayor.

956
00:43:55,567 --> 00:43:59,487
Speaker 3: Looks like so many people but Rachel mcad yeah, yeah,

957
00:43:59,487 --> 00:44:01,527
Speaker 3: But then I saw some photos and I'm like.

958
00:44:01,727 --> 00:44:04,847
Speaker 1: Mate, they were very carefully selective photos.

959
00:44:05,447 --> 00:44:08,687
Speaker 2: Doesn't look quite Rachel McAdams. Anyway, she said, the person

960
00:44:08,727 --> 00:44:11,887
Speaker 2: who came up with the best doppelganger would get a prize,

961
00:44:11,927 --> 00:44:15,007
Speaker 2: and we went through the mummea out Louders Facebook group

962
00:44:15,327 --> 00:44:18,727
Speaker 2: to find the person who delivered, and the winner is

963
00:44:18,767 --> 00:44:22,647
Speaker 2: a woman named Katie Scobel. Katie, can you please message

964
00:44:22,687 --> 00:44:24,167
Speaker 2: us your address because we want to send you something

965
00:44:24,247 --> 00:44:27,087
Speaker 2: very special. But she posted a picture of my doppelganger.

966
00:44:27,407 --> 00:44:28,367
Speaker 3: Actually, who was that?

967
00:44:28,647 --> 00:44:33,367
Speaker 2: Claire? I loved out loud it was so good. And

968
00:44:33,407 --> 00:44:35,007
Speaker 2: then a lot of people actually said, you guys don't

969
00:44:35,007 --> 00:44:36,807
Speaker 2: wannk that alike, and I was like, shut up anyway,

970
00:44:37,167 --> 00:44:40,327
Speaker 2: so get in touch. We want to send you something

971
00:44:40,687 --> 00:44:43,007
Speaker 2: because we are doing the job.

972
00:44:43,047 --> 00:44:45,607
Speaker 1: MAYA should special mention to the person who put in

973
00:44:45,607 --> 00:44:48,087
Speaker 1: that picture of Matilda Brown that does look exactly like me?

974
00:44:48,247 --> 00:44:53,287
Speaker 1: Or actually, oh really yeah? I was like wow, I

975
00:44:53,287 --> 00:44:56,447
Speaker 1: thought it was lots of people. She really does look

976
00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:58,367
Speaker 1: like lots of people. And I want to thank all

977
00:44:58,367 --> 00:45:00,407
Speaker 1: the outlouders for not putting any pictures in of anyone

978
00:45:00,447 --> 00:45:03,247
Speaker 1: who might look like me, because as discussed, it's fraught.

979
00:45:03,447 --> 00:45:05,647
Speaker 2: I think I saw someone put in a Rachel McAdams

980
00:45:05,687 --> 00:45:07,167
Speaker 2: with brown hair thing and I went to roll my

981
00:45:07,167 --> 00:45:10,167
Speaker 2: eyes and then it was like Mia Friedman and I

982
00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:13,407
Speaker 2: was like get off, get out of this group.

983
00:45:14,167 --> 00:45:16,567
Speaker 1: A massive thank you to all of you out louders

984
00:45:16,567 --> 00:45:18,647
Speaker 1: for listening to today's show. We're going to be back

985
00:45:18,727 --> 00:45:21,887
Speaker 1: in your ears next week. Emily Vernon read us out.

986
00:45:22,287 --> 00:45:25,007
Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team, our group. Executive

987
00:45:25,007 --> 00:45:27,967
Speaker 3: producer and snack queen Ruth Divine, who's best of the

988
00:45:27,967 --> 00:45:30,927
Speaker 3: week was her husband starting a new job. It isn't

989
00:45:30,927 --> 00:45:33,167
Speaker 3: a work from home job, so the house is cleaner

990
00:45:33,207 --> 00:45:37,727
Speaker 3: and tidier because he's not there. Our executive producer Emily

991
00:45:37,727 --> 00:45:40,447
Speaker 3: and Gazillas her best is a little smug because she's

992
00:45:40,487 --> 00:45:43,727
Speaker 3: finished her Christmas shopping with humble brag.

993
00:45:44,647 --> 00:45:47,447
Speaker 1: Finished your Christmas shopping shore Dad, What do.

994
00:45:47,447 --> 00:45:51,567
Speaker 2: You need in a producer? Someone who finished can help.

995
00:45:52,767 --> 00:45:55,967
Speaker 3: Our audio producer is Leah Porge's annoying Holly by putting

996
00:45:56,007 --> 00:45:58,167
Speaker 3: up a Christmas tree on the first of December.

997
00:45:59,407 --> 00:46:00,967
Speaker 1: First of December is just possible.

998
00:46:01,047 --> 00:46:04,847
Speaker 3: That's okay well, And our video producer Josh Green, his

999
00:46:04,967 --> 00:46:07,927
Speaker 3: best of the week was fishing with family, catching a

1000
00:46:07,967 --> 00:46:10,367
Speaker 3: bunch of flathead fish and cooking it up for dinner

1001
00:46:10,447 --> 00:46:10,887
Speaker 3: that night.

1002
00:46:11,087 --> 00:46:12,607
Speaker 2: Every stereotype I have about men.

1003
00:46:13,087 --> 00:46:14,727
Speaker 3: Thank God is not single, because he would just have

1004
00:46:14,767 --> 00:46:17,927
Speaker 3: that fish photo he would Wow.

1005
00:46:17,967 --> 00:46:21,727
Speaker 1: Impressive, Fu Louders, have a good weekend out loud as.

1006
00:46:21,727 --> 00:46:24,087
Speaker 2: We know you're not ready to say goodbye, which is

1007
00:46:24,127 --> 00:46:28,207
Speaker 2: why we're sharing a sneak peek of yesterday's subscriber episode.

1008
00:46:28,407 --> 00:46:31,727
Speaker 2: Holly and I answered your burning questions in another edition

1009
00:46:31,767 --> 00:46:35,687
Speaker 2: of Ask us anything, including the alternate career paths we

1010
00:46:35,807 --> 00:46:36,687
Speaker 2: might have taken.

1011
00:46:36,967 --> 00:46:40,487
Speaker 1: A psychologist there. I thought about that, and then and

1012
00:46:40,527 --> 00:46:42,367
Speaker 1: I know this is going to make me really unpopular

1013
00:46:42,407 --> 00:46:46,727
Speaker 1: for saying this. Too much winging, like I would find

1014
00:46:46,767 --> 00:46:50,127
Speaker 1: it frustrating. And I don't get me wrong, I've spoke

1015
00:46:50,207 --> 00:46:52,407
Speaker 1: to plenty of psychologists of my own winging, but I

1016
00:46:52,447 --> 00:46:55,247
Speaker 1: would find it a bit frustrating. I think if people

1017
00:46:55,327 --> 00:46:58,207
Speaker 1: were like, tell him and tell me, and I'd be like, Okay,

1018
00:46:58,207 --> 00:46:59,487
Speaker 1: what are we going to do about that? And then

1019
00:46:59,527 --> 00:47:01,527
Speaker 1: they just I might find the winging a bit of it.

1020
00:47:01,687 --> 00:47:04,447
Speaker 2: I would find the winging annoying if the person before

1021
00:47:04,487 --> 00:47:07,207
Speaker 2: them had objectively bigger problems, like I think I would

1022
00:47:07,247 --> 00:47:09,767
Speaker 2: A link you will be in the show notes. Shout

1023
00:47:09,767 --> 00:47:12,367
Speaker 2: out to any Mum and me a subscribers listening. If

1024
00:47:12,367 --> 00:47:14,327
Speaker 2: you love the show and you want to support us

1025
00:47:14,607 --> 00:47:17,527
Speaker 2: subscribing to muma mia is the very best way to

1026
00:47:17,567 --> 00:47:20,007
Speaker 2: do so. There's a link in the episode description.