Speaker 1: So then I start up floating those bad mirror selfies
Speaker 1: with Valencia.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love Valencia to controls.
Speaker 1: Of the least of my worries. My theory silence is violence.
Speaker 1: English was my second language. I did EOCEL at school.
Speaker 1: You never know what someone's background is, you never know
Speaker 1: where they've come from.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the Ya Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and
Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives they adore,
Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day
Speaker 2: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm
Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 2: unentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found
Speaker 2: matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. Czya is a series
Speaker 2: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring
Speaker 2: the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.
Speaker 2: If you've been on the Internet at all over the
Speaker 2: past decade or so you've likely been influenced by Rosalia Russian,
Speaker 2: who I feel comfortable calling one of the og influences
Speaker 2: of our time. While many of us embrace the mirror
Speaker 2: selfie and the Valencia filter from the beginning, not all
Speaker 2: of us then transformed into one of the country's most
Speaker 2: sought after opinion leaders, brand ambassadors, and dare I say, icons,
Speaker 2: with over a quarter of a million followers hanging on
Speaker 2: to her every move. What I love most about Rosa, though,
Speaker 2: isn't her effortlessly immaculate style or perfect grooming. Although I
Speaker 2: do screenshot her tips on pretty much everything. It's the
Speaker 2: lesser known parts of her story that make her perhaps
Speaker 2: more down to earth than you might first expect, arriving
Speaker 2: in Australia with two suitcases and two hundred and fifty dollars,
Speaker 2: her early life in ESL classes at school, her hilariously
Speaker 2: refreshing approach to motherhood, and the most well adjusted approach
Speaker 2: to online trolling that I think I've heard. Fun fact,
Speaker 2: I've actually been there for most of this ride, knowing Rosa,
Speaker 2: not only since before social media, during our clubbing days
Speaker 2: that was so much fun to relive, and before her
Speaker 2: surname became Russian, which yes, was a coincidence, but since
Speaker 2: our teeny tiny ballerina days at the Australian Ballet School.
Speaker 2: So it's with a weird sense of pride that I've
Speaker 2: watched her flourish but also use her influence for wonderful
Speaker 2: causes over the years. This year, Rosa is one of
Speaker 2: the ambassadors for the Witchery White shirt campaign, which you've
Speaker 2: likely seen both of us post about, that supports ovarian
Speaker 2: cancer research. One woman dies every eight hours of ovarian
Speaker 2: cancer in Australia and less than half of those diagnosed
Speaker 2: will live beyond five years, so the work of the
Speaker 2: OCRF supported by the campaign is crucial. Last week we
Speaker 2: celebrated the tally for this seventeenth year of their campaign
Speaker 2: of over half a million dollars raised, bringing the total
Speaker 2: to over seventeen point six million dollars to date. We're
Speaker 2: both wearing the beautiful shirts from this year, designed by
Speaker 2: Victoria and Woods in the episode video and they are
Speaker 2: still on sale while stocks last, even though the campaign
Speaker 2: has officially ended. So I'll pop the links in the
Speaker 2: show notes so you can grab yours for an incredible cause.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, I hope you enjoyed this one as
Speaker 2: much as I did. Rosa Russian, Hi, Hi, welcome to
Speaker 2: the show. Thank you for having me. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: this is so exciting. We have been friends since. I
Speaker 2: don't know if a lot of people know this, and
Speaker 2: I tried to find a photo, but since we were
Speaker 2: in primary school, I want to say, really, yes, primary school?
Speaker 2: Well did you start the ABS in primary school? I
Speaker 2: think it was primary school maybe, or maybe I was
Speaker 2: high school.
Speaker 1: I don't know, or I always say, if you want
Speaker 1: to tell me a secret memory is like a sieve.
Speaker 2: It goes in one ear and out the other. I'm
Speaker 2: it's I think it was because I left. So for
Speaker 2: context everyone, we were at the Australian Ballet together when
Speaker 2: we were very, very tiny, and that was the first
Speaker 2: first chapter of knowing Rosa. So it's been a privilege
Speaker 2: to have followed. And as you guys know, I get
Speaker 2: really excited to tell people stories when I've been there
Speaker 2: for quite a few chapters. And I'll always remember you
Speaker 2: and Lauradona had the most immaculate hair, and I kind
Speaker 2: of then I always wanted to do my bum the
Speaker 2: same way that you did with the middle part and
Speaker 2: the slick back, like the original slick back. I insist
Speaker 2: you have been not just the OG influencer since the Internet,
Speaker 2: but since like nineteen ninety five or whenever that was.
Speaker 2: I was the original. Literally, I'm still going nothing change,
Speaker 2: nothing change. I remember, I think, because I was maybe
Speaker 2: eight when I started, and I was only there for
Speaker 2: five years, five years thirteen. I quit thirteen or fourteen,
Speaker 2: So it must have been primary school. Must have been.
Speaker 1: I finished up in year ten, Yeah, that's when I left.
Speaker 1: So year eleven I went and I went back to
Speaker 1: a normal.
Speaker 2: School, finished school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. So we've known
Speaker 2: each other since primary school and our first versions of
Speaker 2: ourselves were as many ballerinas and taking it very seriously.
Speaker 2: The Australian Ballet School is an amazing place if you want,
Speaker 2: you know, your career to go in that direction. And
Speaker 2: I love to start at what your younger selfs, hopes
Speaker 2: and dreams were because I think it's really interesting to
Speaker 2: look back now and think, yeah, what you thought you'd
Speaker 2: be and how different that is. So did you think
Speaker 2: that you would do that as a career. Is that
Speaker 2: where you wanted to be when you were little?
Speaker 1: No, I actually knew, I didn't really, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: I know all the way along bombshell. Yes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Miss Roles would be horrified.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: No, Like I will say, before going to the Australian
Speaker 1: Ballet School, and even whilst I was there, like I
Speaker 1: will say, like I did love ballet and I enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: but for me it.
Speaker 2: Was never my career.
Speaker 1: And my mum was a gymnast back in Russia and
Speaker 1: she all always wanted to do ballet. So she always
Speaker 1: said to her mum, if I ever had a daughter,
Speaker 1: she's going to do ballet. So I feel like many
Speaker 1: strong European mothers, strong wild Yes, yeah, she put all
Speaker 1: her hopes of being a professional baller reader onto me
Speaker 1: and very early on, as I said, I loved it
Speaker 1: and when it was you know, it was fun, it
Speaker 1: wasn't serious. And then once I got into the Australian
Speaker 1: Ballet School, I again like I enjoyed it, but I
Speaker 1: didn't audition to get in either.
Speaker 2: I read that And if you were the first student
Speaker 2: ever who was scouted without an audition, which guys, if
Speaker 2: you don't understand this, think about Australian idol and like
Speaker 2: the cues to audition, like that's the Australian Ballet School
Speaker 2: in the nineties, and you just got scouted.
Speaker 1: I got scouted. I was there on a summer program,
Speaker 1: just having, you know, just.
Speaker 2: A fun time, a fun time.
Speaker 1: My mom had to work, so she's like and just
Speaker 1: drop you off exactly.
Speaker 2: So I was just doing like a summer program.
Speaker 1: And after a couple of days I approached my mum
Speaker 1: and they said, would like to offer her a spot
Speaker 1: at the school.
Speaker 2: She's iconic since the beginning.
Speaker 1: I kind of you, but no, so straight away, like
Speaker 1: I didn't really know the impact. And I went along
Speaker 1: with it and I loved it, like I genuinely loved it.
Speaker 1: But then I don't know if you remember, there was
Speaker 1: a moment as we're approaching graduating, and I remember they
Speaker 1: sat down and they said to us, okay, so what's
Speaker 1: going to happen is you're going to audition for different companies,
Speaker 1: so you know, the Australian Ballet, the New Zealand Company,
Speaker 1: Sydney Dance and they'll take one female and one male.
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking like, oh, looking around the room
Speaker 1: like this, like I don't know, twenty of us, thirty
Speaker 1: of us, and right, so what happens to the rest
Speaker 1: of us, Oh well, you know nothing. You might go
Speaker 1: work at a cruise ship. You might do this, you
Speaker 1: might And I was just like it was like that
Speaker 1: petty drop and I'm like, oh my gosh, Like this
Speaker 1: isn't something that I was like, wow, giving my all
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to do. Yeah, I was very
Speaker 1: fortunate that was just naturally flexible. I naturally had all
Speaker 1: the right proportions and the turnout. So it was just
Speaker 1: something that came easy to me. But it's something that
Speaker 1: I learned very early on that talent will only get
Speaker 1: you so far. If you don't push and you don't
Speaker 1: drive yourself. That girl that's working harder than you, she's
Speaker 1: going to get the spot, not you. You can't just
Speaker 1: rely on talent. And it was at that moment that
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have the.
Speaker 2: Drive to do this. Wow. So yeah, I said to
Speaker 2: my mom's side, broke her heart. I was going to say,
Speaker 2: how did she take it? She still still brings up
Speaker 2: to this day. It's still a so spot. Don't mention it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, it made Willow do ballet and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, yeah, it wasn't you.
Speaker 1: I see where they came from I remember your mom
Speaker 1: actually less. Yeah, anyway, that was my ballet career.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And that's so interesting because it is
Speaker 2: the opposite of I think a lot of us back then,
Speaker 2: like I thought, I was like a little eight year
Speaker 2: old taking my life very seriously. I was like, I
Speaker 2: have career opirations at eight years old, this is my future.
Speaker 2: And I probably didn't have as much natural talent, but
Speaker 2: was the girl that just worked so relentlessly on pilates
Speaker 2: and had my archers bending under pianos to kind of
Speaker 2: will my body to do the things that it wasn't
Speaker 2: maybe naturally born for. And I look back and think
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to have that penny drop moment myself.
Speaker 2: And it was probably the reverse where my mom could
Speaker 2: see that at some point, it is going to funnel
Speaker 2: down to one place, you know, in all the ballet
Speaker 2: schools in the world, and even if you get there
Speaker 2: and you're injured, it's such a short lived career and
Speaker 2: you might not have something to fall back on. So
Speaker 2: she engineered that pennydrop moment for me and was like,
Speaker 2: you're going to have to go back to normal school
Speaker 2: and if you still love it afterwards, then you can
Speaker 2: go back. And of course by then I'd met boys
Speaker 2: and parties and doing fun things on the weekend, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to go back to ballet.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting that you didn't think that that was
Speaker 2: your future. So what did you think you'd be.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a forensic psychiatrist stop, or a
Speaker 1: forensic investigator. I was obsessed with the show CSI as
Speaker 1: a kid.
Speaker 2: As a kid, I was obsessed. That's why I like
Speaker 2: to note it books now. I love Modo Boox.
Speaker 1: But also I'm like, give me a name, give me
Speaker 1: ten minutes, Ye'll find.
Speaker 2: You anything, anything and everything about them. I'm the same.
Speaker 2: I'm the same. That is amazing. That's a life skill.
Speaker 2: It is a life skill. In another world, you could
Speaker 2: have gone into that. So then, okay, so you've had
Speaker 2: your pivotal moment alongside did you have part time jobs?
Speaker 2: Were you thinking about what you had to study to
Speaker 2: become a forensic psychologist? Like what was in your brain
Speaker 2: around that sort of fifteen year ten? It's quite a
Speaker 2: pivotal time in your life. It is.
Speaker 1: So year ten, I was still at the Australian Ballet
Speaker 1: and I did schooling at the Victorian College of the Arts,
Speaker 1: and it was very the bare minimum.
Speaker 2: Of schooling, so for two hours a day, two hours
Speaker 2: a day, so it was nothing.
Speaker 1: So by the time I got to year eleven and twelve,
Speaker 1: it was like a rude shock and a rude awakening.
Speaker 1: And naturally I'm not very BookSmart. I disagree, but yes,
Speaker 1: you know, like some people who are just like so booksmarts,
Speaker 1: so academic, that is not me at all. As I
Speaker 1: said to you, my memory is like a ciev it
Speaker 1: goes I read one paragraph and it goes out. You
Speaker 1: can read books over and over again. So clear south
Speaker 1: you from Money said, but I didn't really know what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. I was always very creative, and
Speaker 1: I'd also still liked the idea of some sort of
Speaker 1: like a business or corporate company, and that's where I
Speaker 1: kind of landed on like marketing and advertising, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: this is cool. I'm creative. I get to think about,
Speaker 1: you know, different things and come up with different ideas
Speaker 1: and concepts. So that's kind of where my mind went.
Speaker 1: I feel like, coming from immigrants like parents when we
Speaker 1: land in Australia, they were obviously just you know, trying
Speaker 1: to survive. So they didn't necessarily they didn't understand how
Speaker 1: schooling worked here, how universities and maybe different career paths
Speaker 1: as well. Like it's such a different world where I'm from.
Speaker 1: So I think that it was maybe hard as well
Speaker 1: for my parents to guide my brother and I just
Speaker 1: because they didn't understand the culture. They didn't understand the
Speaker 1: options that we have here. So yeah, in terms of
Speaker 1: my first.
Speaker 2: Job, I was Coles check Out. Really I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So when I was fifteen or nine months,
Speaker 1: I worked at Coles. Then I went on and worked
Speaker 1: at Diva Stop.
Speaker 2: I loved Diva. Diva's like the old Labisa. It is, yeah, guys,
Speaker 2: the original. We're doing so so we have recording at
Speaker 2: producing and Josh in the corner who's listening, is twenty
Speaker 2: three and is about to get like a full blown
Speaker 2: education on the era immediately before him. So much to learn,
Speaker 2: Josh Clubs. We're just translating everything. Yeah, yeah, a lot
Speaker 2: to learn, a lot to learn. And so then I
Speaker 2: was studying like advertising.
Speaker 1: And marketing, and again I was just like just not
Speaker 1: really passionate about it. I was just doing the bare minimum.
Speaker 1: And again I had no idea what I want to do,
Speaker 1: no idea, and this is all before social media. So
Speaker 1: I was working at Diva, that I was working at
Speaker 1: a clothing store.
Speaker 2: Then I just started going out.
Speaker 1: And having a great time at nineteen, and then that's
Speaker 1: when I met my husband Nick, when I was working
Speaker 1: at retail.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my gosh. I mean you've touched on so
Speaker 2: many things there that I think people listening might not
Speaker 2: know or maybe know. But I think it's so easy
Speaker 2: to walk into someone's life like your own, and right
Speaker 2: now it's you're so good at what you do, and
Speaker 2: you're so clear on what influence you have and how
Speaker 2: to use it beautifully, and you've got beautiful children. But
Speaker 2: it's easy to forget that you spend a long time
Speaker 2: not knowing what you wanted to do. And also the
Speaker 2: thing that people say about pathways is you don't know
Speaker 2: where you'll end up, but particularly because the job you're
Speaker 2: in now might not have existed then, and it didn't
Speaker 2: like you're in a job that didn't exist at that time.
Speaker 2: And so if anyone is earlier in their journey listening
Speaker 2: has no idea what they want to do, don't worry.
Speaker 2: It's normal. We all started there. I still don't know
Speaker 2: what I want to tell. Yeah, and it's so normal.
Speaker 2: And again, like even in ten years you might be
Speaker 2: doing something that doesn't exist now. So I think you're
Speaker 2: such a good example of that. But also there are
Speaker 2: so many Australians who are immigrants or who've come from
Speaker 2: immigrant families, and there are different pressures and different circumstances
Speaker 2: that help shape who you want to be and what
Speaker 2: you can do. And so did you find the expectations
Speaker 2: of your parents or of wanting to make the most
Speaker 2: of your place here really hard? Did that add an
Speaker 2: extra pressure to go down certain pathways or to be
Speaker 2: more academic, or to you know, not quit ballet, Like
Speaker 2: was that a factor in your mind about what your
Speaker 2: future would look like? Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I you know, absolutely applaud my p and especially my
Speaker 1: mum and have so much respect for what she did
Speaker 1: and how they came to the country with two suitcases,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty dollars and absolutely like nowhere to live,
Speaker 1: no idea what to do. And she is very academic,
Speaker 1: so she went to university and she at nighttime would
Speaker 1: translate things from English and too Russian. So she's got
Speaker 1: multiple degrees and she's yeah, she's so smart.
Speaker 2: So and there's me.
Speaker 1: But I feel though, because that's the way that she was,
Speaker 1: I feel that she expected the same from me, and
Speaker 1: it's something that I'm so mindful with my kids. So
Speaker 1: when it came to like year eleven and twelve, she
Speaker 1: put me.
Speaker 2: Into like maths and sciences.
Speaker 1: Maths, yeah, science, what's that chemistry like? And all these subjects,
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I doing? This is not
Speaker 1: my jam, but I was I couldn't say anything. I
Speaker 1: was too scared to say thing because that real Europe
Speaker 1: and pressure of performing well. So I would love to
Speaker 1: have done visual arts and you know, more of those
Speaker 1: kind of subjects. So I failed my vacea. I got
Speaker 1: the worst ender school. And it's because, like I feel
Speaker 1: not to blame anyone, that maybe I wasn't guided into
Speaker 1: the right past and the right subjects for me. And
Speaker 1: that's why I said, that's something I'm so mindful of
Speaker 1: my kids. It's like, you know, you tap into their
Speaker 1: talent and what is it.
Speaker 2: They're good at.
Speaker 1: There definitely was a lot of pressure, but as I said,
Speaker 1: you know, times are so different back then and people
Speaker 1: don't realize as well. English was my second language. I
Speaker 1: did a cell at school, so that blows my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people like when like the people type.
Speaker 1: On my my comments, Oh your Gramdmar's a awful yes,
Speaker 1: yeah so yeah, as I think, as you said, you
Speaker 1: never know what someone's background is, you never know where
Speaker 1: they've come from. And that's why I'm so I have
Speaker 1: such an open mind to like my kids or anyone
Speaker 1: in their career paths, what they choose to do, and
Speaker 1: just everyone's story.
Speaker 2: Like you just don't know what people are going through.
Speaker 2: And I love the platform that this show allows me
Speaker 2: to have where I get to focus and spend like
Speaker 2: quite a lot of time on the part of your
Speaker 2: life that isn't the part most people ask about. They
Speaker 2: you know, naturally, so many people want to know about
Speaker 2: what you do now. But I find this part fascinating.
Speaker 2: I want to remind everyone, like Rosa didn't speak English first,
Speaker 2: Like it makes it so much more impressive everything that
Speaker 2: you've been able to achieve because your parents did land
Speaker 2: here with nothing, and it's so easy for people to
Speaker 2: look at you now and think she gets so much privilege,
Speaker 2: and you know, things came easy, and it's like nothing
Speaker 2: came easy. You have no idea now hard she has
Speaker 2: worked together.
Speaker 1: There No nothing's come easy. And that's why I just
Speaker 1: hate that whole online narrative of you know, oh well
Speaker 1: what would you know? Or you're so privileged as he says,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, well, I am in a very lucky,
Speaker 1: fortunate position now, but I wasn't. I didn't start, but
Speaker 1: I didn't start like this. And that's why I never
Speaker 1: judge people. I always am open minded because you never
Speaker 1: know what someone's background story is and the struggles that
Speaker 1: they have had to take to get themselves to this position.
Speaker 1: We always see everyone's best moments in the highlight.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of, there are some best moments and highlights
Speaker 2: that you don't see as much of because when we
Speaker 2: were having them in this glory chapter about to embark
Speaker 2: upon and teach Josh all about, there wasn't really social
Speaker 2: media in the era that you've just kind of caught
Speaker 2: us up to. Around nineteen. We both met our respective
Speaker 2: Nicks around the same age for us on dance laws
Speaker 2: and your nick had Eve nightclub and my nick had
Speaker 2: broke and they were kind of like rivals, but they
Speaker 2: had different nights, so they'd kind of come to each
Speaker 2: other's Friday and Saturday and for anyone listening. They were
Speaker 2: the nightclubs to be at. And the photographer there'd be
Speaker 2: one nominated photographer who would come and they'd take your
Speaker 2: photo and they were the only photos. That's the only
Speaker 2: content you would get from that night, and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that era again, as said, my head's
Speaker 1: full of secrets and I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that era. I think something controversial happened.
Speaker 2: I don't remember the who.
Speaker 1: No, I mean those times were wild, the best, the best, best.
Speaker 2: The best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So as you said, I meant I met Nick
Speaker 1: when I was nineteen. He was twenty eight, and he
Speaker 1: owned this club in South Melbourne called Eve where they
Speaker 1: were just like lines out the door every single night
Speaker 1: and it was like the who's who, Like I'm talking
Speaker 1: about every single AFL player was there.
Speaker 2: Then we're talking about like Jason Giulo, Yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah a rule I forgot about that, Britney Spears like
Speaker 1: it was Carnie West, like you name it. It was
Speaker 1: the moment they were there. Yeah. And the best thing
Speaker 1: about those days where there was no social media, as
Speaker 1: you said, so everyone was just there having the best time.
Speaker 1: There were no photos being taken as you said, unless
Speaker 1: it was the club photographer Anthony lookuria.
Speaker 2: Shout out, and he would like, get our good site.
Speaker 2: Just let us have a few and take it again,
Speaker 2: take it again, always great flash, great complexions, looks amazing
Speaker 2: yeap gausch and blur edit on the face yep. And
Speaker 2: then you would have to wait the whole week until
Speaker 2: Facebook uploaded those images.
Speaker 1: Being the girlfriend of the owner, I managed to get
Speaker 1: photos in advance.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And did you get to take it?
Speaker 2: Did you take out the bad ones that you hated? No?
Speaker 2: I was nineteen. There was no bad photo. True, that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true. Oh my god, how iconic? There were none?
Speaker 2: There were no We're just all beautiful. But it's one.
Speaker 1: Look at girls now, Yeah, you're nineteen, You're like gorgeous.
Speaker 1: How can you take a bad photo? You're happy, carefree,
Speaker 1: you're sleeping at night, you're sleeping through the night.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But we'd know where to post the photos. Oh, Facebook,
Speaker 1: we'd post the photos on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Yah. Albums, yeah, the whole albums per night. It was
Speaker 2: just such a to that multicolor dance floor, like some god,
Speaker 2: some stuff went down. They were they were great times.
Speaker 2: But I was telling Josh that to kind of describe
Speaker 2: how the world of influencing began. I truly like it's
Speaker 2: I laugh about it, but I truly think you were
Speaker 2: the og influencer because even before there was anywhere to
Speaker 2: put this information, Facebook existed, but you weren't really friends
Speaker 2: with people you didn't know yet, but everyone knew who
Speaker 2: you were. And of course because Nick was the owner
Speaker 2: and you were his partner, everyone would see you every
Speaker 2: Saturday and they'd see what you'd wear, and you had
Speaker 2: this this ability to influence. Like immediately people would ask
Speaker 2: you in real life, like imagine it's like leaving a comment,
Speaker 2: but like in your face. They'd be like, where did
Speaker 2: you get this dress? And or where did you get
Speaker 2: that whatever? Or where do you get your fake tann
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, although we were real tanned back
Speaker 2: then because we had time to outside, you know, that's
Speaker 2: where it began. Like everyone wanted to know everything that
Speaker 2: you were doing. But it happened in real life. And
Speaker 2: so it's so crazy to me thinking about having watched
Speaker 2: you have the same influence you have now, but just
Speaker 2: in different forums kind of through the ages. So it
Speaker 2: started back then, and I've heard you describe it as
Speaker 2: that you fell into what you do now, But can
Speaker 2: you actually describe to us how it went from influencing
Speaker 2: people on dance laws on the weekend and then seeing
Speaker 2: them turn up the next week in the exact same
Speaker 2: thing to what you do now? Like what was that
Speaker 2: that kind of bridging?
Speaker 1: Like, well, I think naturally, as you mentioned, people were
Speaker 1: just curious because I was, you know, his girlfriend, and
Speaker 1: all the different events that are happening now like a
Speaker 1: David Jones Runway show or the Levatzavarqui we were going
Speaker 1: to back then because we were invited you know, via
Speaker 1: Nick and Nix was like he had this incredible network
Speaker 1: of people, so we were already in that scene. I
Speaker 1: was working a corporate jobs, so for me, I was
Speaker 1: like Monday to Friday in the office and then on
Speaker 1: the weekend. But obviously just you know, the time of
Speaker 1: our lives, have.
Speaker 2: A great time.
Speaker 1: But there was no again, there was no social what
Speaker 1: I said, there was Facebook back then, there was no
Speaker 1: Instagram and then it wasn't until just before we were
Speaker 1: getting married. Nick was going to Vegas for his Bucks party.
Speaker 1: I still remember, and he was showing me this like
Speaker 1: app He's like, oh, there's this new thing called Instagram,
Speaker 1: and I'm okay, so I like downloaded it and then
Speaker 1: so I started uploading photos of my girlfriends and I
Speaker 1: whilst when we're out, and that's when the comments started like.
Speaker 2: Oh, where's your skirt from?
Speaker 1: Well, where's your you know, and so I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1: So then I started bloating those bad mirror selfies with
Speaker 1: Valencia Vali and it was like, here's my age sequin miniskirt.
Speaker 2: With my furtherest and MYVA.
Speaker 1: Earrings and my Steve Madam boots, like the ankle boots.
Speaker 2: Do you remember not an ankle boots? Yeah? What a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then uploaded photos and but then people like,
Speaker 1: but okay, we know the outfit, but what about you blush?
Speaker 2: What blush color you're wearing?
Speaker 1: So then I'm like, oh, there was no selfies, so
Speaker 1: it was selfies.
Speaker 2: There were mirror.
Speaker 1: Selfies, miror selfie, but not like you know, like face selfies.
Speaker 1: So then I naturally started uploading that. And then that's
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, brands would reach out to
Speaker 1: Nick and say, hey, does Rosen want a dress? And
Speaker 1: we'll send her something, and it's kind of like it
Speaker 1: started like that, and Nick again turned to me very
Speaker 1: business and he's like, I reckon, you can start making
Speaker 1: money off this. So that's when we started off. Kind
Speaker 1: of remember what it was like one hundred dollars for like.
Speaker 2: A post or something. Wow wow yeah, but it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, good money back then though, great money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it just naturally. And then we got married
Speaker 1: and I remember all these different people wanting to following me,
Speaker 1: and someone had been tagging photos of me, of my
Speaker 1: wedding dress and uploading photos on their profile and as.
Speaker 2: In like, oh my god, this is amazing.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so people started wanting to follow me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: these randoms, how weird? So I declined them all and
Speaker 1: went on to Prime and decline.
Speaker 2: Your you were not to prive this is random?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, but I still find it weird, you know,
Speaker 1: like when I sit there like looking at the videos
Speaker 1: and wait, so I'm talking. Who am I talking to
Speaker 1: about what I'm wearing?
Speaker 2: Like why do they care?
Speaker 1: I still find it really bizarre when you sit there
Speaker 1: and break it down. It is a very weird concept.
Speaker 1: But that's how it started.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, And it's funny. I look back now
Speaker 2: and think about those wild clubbing days were. At the time,
Speaker 2: I'm sure our parents were like seriously concerned about us
Speaker 2: being out four nights a week for my whole union degree.
Speaker 2: But now I think about it, I'm like, actually there
Speaker 2: was some business around it. Like there's firstly, a lot
Speaker 2: of the networks I have today even knowing you, and
Speaker 2: a lot of almost in fact, almost everyone at a
Speaker 2: lot of the events that I still see through our
Speaker 2: businesses now I met back then, and those relationships all
Speaker 2: came from being out and about and meeting people in
Speaker 2: person and developing relationships. But also like we got paid
Speaker 2: to be there, like we were promoters. And I was
Speaker 2: trying to explain to Josh the concept of turning up
Speaker 2: picking up your little envelope with cash. Money used to
Speaker 2: be cash, so cash in an envelope and little drink cards,
Speaker 2: and I'm like that was kind of entrepreneurial, Like I
Speaker 2: made money to go where I wanted to go anyway,
Speaker 2: and then I didn't have to pay for drinks, and
Speaker 2: then I saved that money to go traveling, and like,
Speaker 2: that's entrepreneurial from the very beginning. So there were real
Speaker 2: plus sides to that time. And I'm sad that the
Speaker 2: current generation won't get that.
Speaker 1: I know, I hear that they go to Yochi for dates.
Speaker 2: So sad. Why why, like you know, like so many
Speaker 2: years of that time, Well, you're missing out. I'm all for.
Speaker 1: I'm like, go out, get drunk, get it out of
Speaker 1: your sister days to have.
Speaker 2: A good time.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that meme going around of like, you know,
Speaker 1: girls in their twenties talking about their you know, their
Speaker 1: diet and their health routine and their exercise routine and
Speaker 1: they're like gorgeous and everything.
Speaker 2: It's like, mate, when I was your AJ McDonald's.
Speaker 1: Every every single Saturday, barely relect got drunk every single
Speaker 1: day of the week very much.
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't have been encouraging that.
Speaker 1: Like I partied, I lived, I still looked amazing. It's
Speaker 1: because you're is it because you're twenty. Come back to
Speaker 1: me when you're like late thirties, forties and then tell
Speaker 1: me you know your diet and your exercise routine. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do feel like they skip a chapter, like they're
Speaker 2: all immaculately made up and so aware of yeah, of
Speaker 2: what they look like. And there's content and there's so
Speaker 2: much focus on content when you go out and I'm like,
Speaker 2: just didn't I love the liberty of not Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just enjoying it and looking fairal and being so sweaty
Speaker 2: on the dance floor that your hair has ruined. But
Speaker 2: Anthony already took your photos, so like, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what you look like by the night, who care?
Speaker 1: And if you don't like the photo, you untag yourself.
Speaker 2: And no one can see see it all over. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Millennials listening to this, this would be a dream like
Speaker 2: the throwback to the glory days. Oh my goodness. But now,
Speaker 2: I mean, it did start in such a random, haphazard way,
Speaker 2: but you were on the platform so early, and then
Speaker 2: it's continued to be your career since then in such
Speaker 2: an incredible way. And being so early, I think you
Speaker 2: have kind of seen every part of it. You've seen
Speaker 2: the amazing way that it can make a livelihood and
Speaker 2: support a lifestyle and open up incredible opportunities. And then
Speaker 2: there are also parts that I'm sure you cringe about,
Speaker 2: and parts that a struggle. Like every job has downsides
Speaker 2: as well. So can you take us through maybe some
Speaker 2: of the most surreal, cool places or people you've met,
Speaker 2: or things you've ended up doing that you never expected,
Speaker 2: some of the cringiest things you look back on from
Speaker 2: your early content, and then some of the downsides that
Speaker 2: you have struggled with or still do.
Speaker 1: So what are the highlights, I'd say a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. So I have been working as an ambassador
Speaker 1: with Bull Green Jewelry for a few years now, and
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago they flew me to Tokyo
Speaker 1: to launch their new Bullgrey hotel.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: That's right. I remember that and it was unbelievable. Like
Speaker 1: anytime I think that I'm like stuck in a rut
Speaker 1: or you know, you just you think about going overseas
Speaker 1: and you think about those moments and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, the world is so big. I know that
Speaker 1: sounds so cliche that you're like, oh my god, the
Speaker 1: world is so big. There's actually so many opportunities. There
Speaker 1: are so many amazing, interesting people that I haven't met.
Speaker 1: Like Anne Hathaway was there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, people found girl? You do you found girl? People? Yeah? Yes,
Speaker 2: you record? That makes sense? Yes? Yeah, yeah, what did
Speaker 2: you do? I just walked past her. I couldn't speak
Speaker 2: to it. I was just like I just kept it
Speaker 2: walking past. I've been trying to get a photo with
Speaker 2: her in the background. Like any normal person. I love that.
Speaker 1: Because I was like I was, I was up there
Speaker 1: with so many influential people. I couldn't be that little
Speaker 1: Australian who was like fangirling and being like, oh.
Speaker 2: My god, would have done it. Baby, got one chance
Speaker 2: in life to get your photo with Anne Hathaway.
Speaker 1: She was beautiful, like wow, like in terms of like
Speaker 1: seeing someone in person, she was just like porcelain skin.
Speaker 2: Think about you just saying no, you know, like that
Speaker 2: star factor she just had. You could she has it.
Speaker 1: She had that presence. So that was amazing being given
Speaker 1: that opportunity. The most cringiest moment is just any outfit
Speaker 1: from like five years ago back hot love it.
Speaker 2: That's probably like I look back at my outfits and
Speaker 2: my hair, I'm like, oh my god, crim I love them.
Speaker 2: I can think of some like even of my outfits
Speaker 2: of yours and mine like that where we were all
Speaker 2: in the same category in particular eras and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: like the green with envy where we'd all get like
Speaker 2: the same dress or like the same kind of like
Speaker 2: gasp type dresses and think they were the ship that
Speaker 2: top with like skinny leather leggings and like a platform
Speaker 2: with like a peep toe, like a peepte.
Speaker 1: So many bads, so many but we're we're just like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we're so hot.
Speaker 2: And also they're like walking to the front of the
Speaker 2: line when you knew obviously you got to do that
Speaker 2: because of Nick. But I'm like, we weren't married to Nick,
Speaker 2: and we would just like.
Speaker 1: Past everyone and be like, oh, I got Does everyone
Speaker 1: hate us because we did that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I should hate you. What about the downsides? Have
Speaker 2: you had? Trolls, like, how do you cope with the
Speaker 2: level of You've had public scrutiny on your life since
Speaker 2: before most of us have been introduced to that world,
Speaker 2: And you do have to have a really thick skin.
Speaker 2: And I think you always seem to have such a
Speaker 2: good head on your shoulders about it and are so
Speaker 2: down to earth, which people I think would be surprised
Speaker 2: by because you get to do such incredible opportunities, but
Speaker 2: always so events. You're always so normal, and I think
Speaker 2: it's just one of the most endearing things about you.
Speaker 2: But how do you keep a good head on your
Speaker 2: shoulders with all that stuff?
Speaker 1: I think two honest trolls are the least of my worries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're sitting in there criticizing me. I'm criticizing myself
Speaker 1: because my next job depends on how good my previous
Speaker 1: job was.
Speaker 2: So that's what people.
Speaker 1: Don't realize about social media, Like trolls don't really get
Speaker 1: to me, and I'm quite fortunate, Like I don't really
Speaker 1: get trolls because I don't really voice my public opinion.
Speaker 2: It too often or.
Speaker 1: Too much, because it's just it's honestly, it's not worth
Speaker 1: it for me. I'm here to do a job, and
Speaker 1: that's how as well. I think I keep things very
Speaker 1: neutral and I don't get affected because social media is
Speaker 1: a job for me and I still share like my kids,
Speaker 1: my day life things, and I do enjoy doing that.
Speaker 1: But for the trolls, I'm like, what are you trolling me?
Speaker 1: Like you don't let my outfit no worries.
Speaker 2: You like you don't have to wear it. You don't
Speaker 2: have to wear it. I probably won't like it by
Speaker 2: next week either. I didn't like it at the time.
Speaker 2: It was my best work.
Speaker 1: No, So trolls honestly don't really get to me, and
Speaker 1: I think though that's also it's taken me a good
Speaker 1: ten years to get to this stage. Had you have
Speaker 1: asked me this question five years ago, completely different story.
Speaker 1: I was that person who I'd write back and your
Speaker 1: response was never good enough, and then they would keep
Speaker 1: on going and they keep fighting. Now the power of ignore. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's your opinion, no problem, just move on
Speaker 1: the power. My theory is silence is violence. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, and I just I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: no problem. Like I had one person message me about
Speaker 1: something and they're like, oh my god, the way you.
Speaker 2: Talk is so slow and so boring.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no problem, thanks for following me, you know,
Speaker 1: best of luck.
Speaker 2: Just act of luck. It's like so passive, aggressive lot it.
Speaker 1: She was like, oh, no, sorry, I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: offend you. I'm like, trust me, you haven't offended me.
Speaker 2: That's even more of a flex, Like babe, I'm fine,
Speaker 2: I'm fine.
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I'm just saying to you, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to skip your stories. I'm like, no problem.
Speaker 1: If you want to follow me, that's completely fine as well.
Speaker 2: I have to announce it.
Speaker 1: You need to know no as I'm saying, like it
Speaker 1: just honestly hand in my heart does not affect me
Speaker 1: if you don't like my collection, Okay, well that's a
Speaker 1: bit of a problem. Yeah. Kids, Again, my job is
Speaker 1: to create you know, a certain amount of obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: like sales, and but.
Speaker 2: Also it's like, babe, it's sold out. You can't get anyway.
Speaker 2: So I don't care what you think. Yeah, it's on
Speaker 2: out multiple times. Yeah, what do you think about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I think though, if if I could give advice
Speaker 1: to young girls or guys who were starting out social
Speaker 1: media or even like you know, they're five years into
Speaker 1: it and are still getting effected by those comments, I
Speaker 1: think you need to distinguish between work and what's real.
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm like, if the people whose opinion
Speaker 1: I care about, if they're upset with me, then I
Speaker 1: can't sleep at night. It eats away of me. If
Speaker 1: I don't know you, your opinion of me does not
Speaker 1: affect me. But that's your opinion though as well. And
Speaker 1: you're more than entitled to your opinion and I won't
Speaker 1: hold that against you either. Yeah. So I think you
Speaker 1: just need to try and create that balance, and that's
Speaker 1: the best way to be able to switch off as well.
Speaker 2: That is so powerful and so reasoned in a time
Speaker 2: where it is easy to spiral and to lose perspective.
Speaker 2: I think because it is a blurry line between that's
Speaker 2: me that you're attacking and it's my value versus it's
Speaker 2: the perception of me and my career. And I think
Speaker 2: I'm quite similar to you in that I do make
Speaker 2: quite a conscious choice, and sometimes I wish it was different,
Speaker 2: But I do make a choice to not voice really
Speaker 2: controversial opinions even when I think I would like to
Speaker 2: use my platform that way, because it is worth it
Speaker 2: to me and I love being vanilla. I want people
Speaker 2: to come to my page and be I could have
Speaker 2: a lot more followers and engaging and if I wasn't,
Speaker 2: but I want people to come to my page and
Speaker 2: not have their heart rate really change. I don't want
Speaker 2: them to feel stressed. I want it to be a safe,
Speaker 2: happy place where they find some stuff they're interested in,
Speaker 2: but they don't have a breakdown or no one feels
Speaker 2: you know, I just and I don't want to have
Speaker 2: a breakdown either, which means I'm the same. I haven't
Speaker 2: had many trolls, and I can enjoy it for the
Speaker 2: lovely place that can be.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing, Like the world could be so
Speaker 1: dark and so heavy that you don't need to add
Speaker 1: to it. I like to escape from certain things as well,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I go on TikTok and my
Speaker 1: algorithm is most random things like cats, like attacking, like dogs.
Speaker 2: Like puppies. It's so cute, like it's happy. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't need, yeah, mindless.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't need everything to be so heavy around
Speaker 1: me all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that. Do you ever get and
Speaker 2: this is just a question that's quite timely for me?
Speaker 2: And I think you're probably one of my role models
Speaker 2: in this area. Is even if it's not other people's
Speaker 2: opinions that you're worried about. I do get sort of
Speaker 2: caught up sometimes in the relevance race, like I really
Speaker 2: want to take time away to be with Teddy and
Speaker 2: to be a bit offline, but it is my job.
Speaker 2: So I also want to be there creating content and
Speaker 2: I love doing it. But then I'm like, if I'm
Speaker 2: not honored enough, am I going to fall out of relevance.
Speaker 2: There's a whole new young generation coming up, Like how
Speaker 2: do you find that balance between I need to be there,
Speaker 2: but I also don't want to be there all the time,
Speaker 2: but yeah, how do I keep interesting if I'm not
Speaker 2: going to voice public opinions and stuff.
Speaker 1: Look, I do think it's hard topic to discuss. And
Speaker 1: for me, for example, the downside of social media for
Speaker 1: me is that you see the jobs that say like
Speaker 1: that you went for and didn't get and see someone
Speaker 1: else you see who got that's true, or you see
Speaker 1: other people working you're like, oh, I didn't get that job,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't invited for that. So it's like that
Speaker 1: constant slap in the face, that real highlight of you know,
Speaker 1: maybe no, you weren't good enough for that job, you
Speaker 1: didn't get it. So it can be very hard. And
Speaker 1: this is why you do need to distinguish between well,
Speaker 1: that's not me personally, that's they didn't you think that
Speaker 1: I was the best alignment for that brand, for whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And it's really hard. So when I feel
Speaker 1: like that, I actually step back, and I did so recently,
Speaker 1: Like so the past six months, like I haven't really
Speaker 1: been working that much as I've been focusing on my
Speaker 1: health and taking a step back, and whilst I was
Speaker 1: still checking social media my head, I just couldn't get
Speaker 1: any clarity on what I wanted to do my next step.
Speaker 1: So I actually took some time away. I didn't check
Speaker 1: my social media for a week.
Speaker 2: It's not well, but no, it's funny that it sounds silly,
Speaker 2: but that's a long time in our world. Yep, yeah,
Speaker 2: came back and I'm like, right, I'm back. I'm back.
Speaker 2: I know what i want to do, I know what
Speaker 2: my next movie is. I'm back.
Speaker 1: I have motivation. I'm ready, I'm ready to work. I'm
Speaker 1: ready to go. And it's hard because, like any job,
Speaker 1: you need to have holidays.
Speaker 2: So think about.
Speaker 1: Any corporate job or you're a school teacher. You have
Speaker 1: you don't work on the weekends, but you also have
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks off here and there. And it's
Speaker 1: the same thing with social media. You need to have
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks off.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And I think it's hard because no
Speaker 2: one's going to force that holiday on you. Like you.
Speaker 2: It's structured in a teaching job, but social media doesn't close,
Speaker 2: so you have to pick it yourself. But I think
Speaker 2: one of the really beautiful and positive things about it
Speaker 2: is that when you do want to use your influence
Speaker 2: in a positive way, you also do that for things
Speaker 2: that you're really passionate about. And one of the campaigns
Speaker 2: you've been part of and that we both I think
Speaker 2: have been part of for a couple of years is
Speaker 2: the Witchery and OCRF white shirt campaign and we're both
Speaker 2: wearing the white shirts from this year. Every year they
Speaker 2: do an incredible I think it's the age seventeenth or
Speaker 2: eighteenth year of making this incredible seventeen years of making
Speaker 2: these incredible bullhirts. They're different every year, and all of
Speaker 2: the funds go towards the ocire of incredible research around
Speaker 2: ovarian cancer. So how do you choose when you're going
Speaker 2: to be part of a campaign like this and why
Speaker 2: is it important to you? I know your health has
Speaker 2: been something that has been playing up over the past
Speaker 2: year and probably brings it more to the forefront of
Speaker 2: your mind. Well, I think.
Speaker 1: If we don't have our health, we don't have anything.
Speaker 1: You could have absolutely, you know, all the different handbags
Speaker 1: you want in the world, or you got your dream job,
Speaker 1: you could have, you know, the most amazing house. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you don't have
Speaker 1: your health, you don't have anything. And having a daughter
Speaker 1: as well, it was so important for me to be
Speaker 1: part of this campaign because it's so scary to think
Speaker 1: that there is no early detection test and less than
Speaker 1: half of the women who were diagnosed with ovarian cancer
Speaker 1: will survive the next five years. So the statistics are
Speaker 1: very confronting, and having a daughter, I think it's something
Speaker 1: that I know you want to create a better world,
Speaker 1: a better future for them. The Witchery White Shirt campaign,
Speaker 1: as you mention, has been going on for seventeen years.
Speaker 1: They've raised seventeen million dollars and extraordinary research is really
Speaker 1: progressing really fast. And when I attended the event in
Speaker 1: Sydney for the launch of the campaign, they had some
Speaker 1: amazing women speak and one of the women who was speaking,
Speaker 1: she was diagnosed when she was like young, like a
Speaker 1: little girl, and it's something that I've never even heard about,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't that was possible, yeah until just now,
Speaker 1: until now, And she said in a way she was
Speaker 1: grateful that she was so young that she didn't realize
Speaker 1: what was going on the impact, So that was an
Speaker 1: unbelievable story. Then on the same stage, we had a
Speaker 1: mum who had two small kids same age as me,
Speaker 1: nine and eleven, and she had Christmas news, Eve was
Speaker 1: going out for a run and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: just one day, just didn't feel right. You know. She
Speaker 1: went to the doctor and they were like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's the festive season, and she's like, no, just something
Speaker 1: just didn't feel right. Her own intuition, she was just like,
Speaker 1: something just doesn't feel right. And she had over ering cancer.
Speaker 1: And the treatment that the young woman was having when
Speaker 1: she was a little girl is pretty much the same
Speaker 1: treatment options that we have now. So it's scary to
Speaker 1: think that in all those years, how little we have progressed.
Speaker 1: And I think it's absolutely amazing that Witchery have this
Speaker 1: initiative and really pushing for some sort of detection test
Speaker 1: that we can at least have a chance to catch
Speaker 1: it early before it's too late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely seems like one of those areas of
Speaker 2: her where you lose so much time by not even
Speaker 2: knowing that it's there, And there's if you don't have
Speaker 2: any education around symptoms of what to look for, or
Speaker 2: I think sometimes there aren't symptoms that present, and so
Speaker 2: why would you go and get an early detection test
Speaker 2: unless you knew that it existed and it was possible,
Speaker 2: like it's so hard when you're up against a situation
Speaker 2: where you can't refer people to a test because it
Speaker 2: doesn't exist. So the research is so incredibly impactful, and
Speaker 2: I mean, seventeen million dollars goes so far in an
Speaker 2: area where otherwise I think without this campaign, there are
Speaker 2: so many women over the last seventeen years who wouldn't
Speaker 2: have heard of ovarian cancer or know anything about the statistics.
Speaker 2: So it is incredible that people like yourself are lending
Speaker 2: their platform to talking about it and being yeah, so
Speaker 2: generous with your platforms to make sure that people know
Speaker 2: and can donate. So what are some of the ways
Speaker 2: that everyone can be part of it? Obviously the shirts
Speaker 2: one of the biggest ways.
Speaker 1: YEAP so this year the shirt was designed with Victorian Woods.
Speaker 1: Mayu was the founder. Is an credible person and role
Speaker 1: model as well. I've been fortunate to be friends with
Speaker 1: her for quite quite a few years and her own
Speaker 1: mother is going through ovarian cancer.
Speaker 2: At the moment.
Speaker 1: I know that, yeah, so it's something that's very close
Speaker 1: to her heart at the moment. So she has designed
Speaker 1: this beautiful shirt and it can be worn multiple ways,
Speaker 1: and the shirt you can be purchased instore online, with
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the proceeds going to research in
Speaker 1: finding an early detection test because, as I mentioned prior,
Speaker 1: the fact that less than half the women diagnose will
Speaker 1: survive the next five years, that's an absolutely shocking statistic
Speaker 1: and just something that you know, we need to try
Speaker 1: and find a cure or a solution for.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely well, I'll make sure to include the links.
Speaker 2: You can buy them online as well, guys, So I'll
Speaker 2: include the direct links and also links to more information
Speaker 2: about what the OCRF does in the show notes. And
Speaker 2: so grateful for the incredible work that Witchery, the OCRF,
Speaker 2: the tron Woods and Rosa and the ambassadors are doing
Speaker 2: this year. I have so many questions to ask you,
Speaker 2: and we have so limited time. I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a million places that we could go, and particularly with motherhood,
Speaker 2: because I've followed you so closely and you were I
Speaker 2: always say I'm so grateful that I wasn't the first
Speaker 2: in my group because I feel like I could see
Speaker 2: a realistic view of everything that I could expect. I
Speaker 2: had no surprises, really like obviously your surprise when it happens,
Speaker 2: but I kind of had a good, realistic introduction. But
Speaker 2: you had kids so young, and you just seem to
Speaker 2: juggle it so well, so I couldn't not ask. Do
Speaker 2: you always seem so immaculate? And I think that's one
Speaker 2: thing that we all love you so much for, is
Speaker 2: you're so put together, but so effortlessly. But do you
Speaker 2: ever have a feral grocery run moment? Or I know
Speaker 2: you have struggled over the last year, you had shingles
Speaker 2: recently and have been unwell, you just still seem to
Speaker 2: always look incredible. Do you ever just look like a
Speaker 2: total bum? Absolutely? When this morning, when gal this morning
Speaker 2: on my coffee run, do you know what I wore?
Speaker 2: Tell me please? I had my pajama top on? Is
Speaker 2: it on your LTK? No, had my pajama top on?
Speaker 2: I put a I just put a hoodie over the.
Speaker 1: Top of my pajamas.
Speaker 2: Hot and but I was cute though you still look cute?
Speaker 2: How it hadn't washed my face? Nice, didn't even brush
Speaker 2: my teeth?
Speaker 1: Stop it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't believe you would leave the house of
Speaker 2: that running. And I walked down the street to my
Speaker 2: coffee shop. I was desperate for a coffee. You did
Speaker 2: not know.
Speaker 1: I actually can't be if I said that aloud. But no,
Speaker 1: I was Feryl so glad.
Speaker 2: That makes us all feel so much better. I just
Speaker 2: don't believe it. I just don't believe it.
Speaker 1: No, Honestly, the majority of time I'm in my gym clothes.
Speaker 1: And every single year, my news resolution is to get
Speaker 1: dressed every.
Speaker 2: Day, to get or shower every day.
Speaker 1: Again, See, you're like you, but you did think I've
Speaker 1: been talking about how disgusting.
Speaker 2: I know. I want you to talk about it. That's
Speaker 2: my favorite part.
Speaker 1: No, because you're so busy, Like as a mum, you'll
Speaker 1: realize that when your kids are older, when you wake up.
Speaker 1: So I'll wake up at six six thirty in the
Speaker 1: morning and I just throw on some active were because
Speaker 1: it is you know, if I haven't made the lunchboxes,
Speaker 1: the lunchboxes the next day, do you.
Speaker 2: Have to make lunchbox of course, of course, forget about
Speaker 2: when they get older. And then the breakfast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the breakfast, it's emptying the dishwasher, it's feeding
Speaker 1: my zoo of animals, zoo animals, zoo animals, like there's
Speaker 1: always so then I'll like quickly run to the gym,
Speaker 1: or I'll like to take my dog for a walk
Speaker 1: and then I'll come home, I'll jump on my emails,
Speaker 1: do a load of washing, and then before you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, it's two thirty. I need
Speaker 1: to do school pickup. So am I going to shower now?
Speaker 1: Or can I do another load of washing and then
Speaker 1: some more emails and shower tomorrow and.
Speaker 2: Shower next week.
Speaker 1: Or shower as I can at nighttime before jumping into bed.
Speaker 1: And so it's just prioritizing your time.
Speaker 2: And not your hygiene so much awful. It brings me
Speaker 2: so much joy. We believe it. But it's the best fart.
Speaker 1: It is so reassuring to hear that because you are
Speaker 1: so good at being put together, and we do see
Speaker 1: you at events and you just always look at baculate.
Speaker 1: It's very reassuring to hear that you can leave the
Speaker 1: house without brushing your teeth or showering. I love that.
Speaker 1: It's so But in order to say, for example, tips
Speaker 1: on how to look put together whilst being feral and
Speaker 1: not like, you know, hygienic, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, like give us a tip. I need them.
Speaker 1: I always make sure I really look after my skin
Speaker 1: and my health. So it's kind of like, do you
Speaker 1: know what, if my skin feels good, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't need to be wearing makeup. I'll put on some
Speaker 1: sunscreen and that's it, and I'll slip back my hair
Speaker 1: and instantly you feel put together because you're like, do
Speaker 1: you know what? My skin looks great, My hair's out
Speaker 1: of my face, it's all clean. Everything just looks like
Speaker 1: neat and clean, even if it's.
Speaker 2: Not even if I'm wearing my pajamas underneath.
Speaker 1: But then as well, my wardrobe, My wardrobe is very simple,
Speaker 1: very basic, like all my active wads just like black.
Speaker 1: So there's never that moment of like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's like, where are my leggings to match this crop?
Speaker 1: I was like, no, everything just matches ghost together all
Speaker 1: the time. So the benefits of a black order, yeah,
Speaker 1: just things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like you probably get this question a lot.
Speaker 2: I think you've answered it before. Speaking of your skin
Speaker 2: and your face. You have just the most perfect skin,
Speaker 2: and I know you you're really good at sharing that
Speaker 2: you do have flare up sometimes. Also when you had shingles,
Speaker 2: obviously your eye was really affected. And you're really good
Speaker 2: at showing us when you aren't necessarily feeling yourself. But
Speaker 2: one of the things that I always see in your
Speaker 2: question boxes asked is what do you get done? Do
Speaker 2: you have botox filler? Are there any treatments you've tried
Speaker 2: and loved or something you've tried and didn't rate. I've
Speaker 2: heard a lot about Profilo recently and like, you're you're
Speaker 2: the expert. I mean, I feel like you are. Literally
Speaker 2: the your face looks like you've had died. I've had nothing.
Speaker 2: You've amazing, but it's the Asian genes and I'm like,
Speaker 2: but it will run out, and I'm going to need
Speaker 2: a list. And so I've already screenshot you just like
Speaker 2: so funny how much of your Q and as I've
Speaker 2: screenshot about that sunscreen that your dermatologists recommended. There's a
Speaker 2: couple of things that you've recommended that I'm like, I
Speaker 2: need that. So now I'm like, what else do I need?
Speaker 1: But I'm constantly educating myself about skin, and the thing
Speaker 1: with skin is I'm a very bit advocate that it
Speaker 1: needs to come from within as well. So every morning
Speaker 1: I drink a bone broth, do you yeah?
Speaker 2: Everyone?
Speaker 1: Instead of coffee, I'll have a bone broth in the
Speaker 1: morning and throughout the day and at night time, Like
Speaker 1: I love a bone broth celery juice as well. First
Speaker 1: in the morning.
Speaker 2: Bone brother is so Russian of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's only in New like it's a recent thing.
Speaker 2: Just start off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But so I think, like I really look after
Speaker 1: I just want to stress that I do look after
Speaker 1: my skin internally as well, because it's not just about
Speaker 1: you know, botox and fillers, because your skin texture does
Speaker 1: also play a super important role and they can't fix
Speaker 1: that now. They're not textural or glow related. That's like
Speaker 1: purely structural.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think previously why I personally didn't speak about,
Speaker 1: you know, injectibles was because I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of the different brands that I would work with, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like they don't want you speaking about injectibles. They
Speaker 1: don't want you speaking that you have hair extensions because like, no, no,
Speaker 1: this serum is going to fix all your fine lines
Speaker 1: and wrinkles. And it's like, well it will be to
Speaker 1: a certain point, Like it's a combination of things. It
Speaker 1: can't just be skincare. It can't just be botox, it
Speaker 1: can't just be diet. I mean it can be, but
Speaker 1: I believe that it needs to be everything these days,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, if you don't want to
Speaker 1: work with me, you don't want to work.
Speaker 2: With me, this is what I do. This is what
Speaker 2: I do. Like, I still love your product.
Speaker 1: But if you don't want to work with me because
Speaker 1: I get a bit of botox done, well you know what,
Speaker 1: so be it. But in terms of what I've had
Speaker 1: done so botox, yes, I get regular botox.
Speaker 2: I have had fillers done.
Speaker 1: I don't love fillers because with fillers it takes a
Speaker 1: while for it to resolve. So what can happen is
Speaker 1: that your filler will pilon pilon pylon. Then it can
Speaker 1: migrate as well. And then that's when you start using
Speaker 1: like little lumps and bumps.
Speaker 2: And you don't Yeah, they have that little filler pockets there.
Speaker 1: The last time I had filler in my lips was
Speaker 1: like years ago, and I ended up having like little
Speaker 1: like nipple like like little nipples. It was not a
Speaker 1: good look. Then I had all disaster. Then I had
Speaker 1: all my filla dissolved.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't dissolve ever itself. You have to get
Speaker 2: it five to six years.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's if it hasn't migrated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the top.
Speaker 1: Before you have to actually get it dissolved, yes, which
Speaker 1: you can see when people's lips migrated. It's like, so
Speaker 1: then I had it dissolved. And do you remember that
Speaker 1: episode of The Kadashians Chris Janna, she had that reaction.
Speaker 1: That was me.
Speaker 2: That was me.
Speaker 1: My whole face was live from dissolving, from dissolving it.
Speaker 1: I can't I'll show you the video. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: please do. It was hilarious, like you do, just just
Speaker 1: go down event steroids and his to me.
Speaker 2: And so I had a reaction to the Yeah, my
Speaker 2: poor kids.
Speaker 1: Because I'm very protective with my daughter about not needing
Speaker 1: to change what you have. So I really want her
Speaker 1: to not be so focused on how she looks. And
Speaker 1: that's why I don't really talk about like botox or
Speaker 1: filler like she she's cluely now, like she sees girls
Speaker 1: with like big lips and stuff, and she's like.
Speaker 2: It's my great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But so I'm very mindful. So at the time, I
Speaker 1: just said I got stung by Bee. Like any good
Speaker 1: loving parents, what moms will say, I'm stung by Bee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I haven't cauite reached the stage where
Speaker 1: I can understand.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what happened.
Speaker 1: I start making up, like yes, because I used to
Speaker 1: take them to appointments and they just just to sit
Speaker 1: watching on the TV.
Speaker 2: I don't know, dad, but they don't know.
Speaker 1: But now I would never take her to an appointment
Speaker 1: and like watch her see things get injected.
Speaker 2: But I do not want to traumatize it, not yet
Speaker 2: yet like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was my last dealing with filler. So
Speaker 1: I haven't had to filler for a really long time.
Speaker 2: I can see why you just bit scared of it
Speaker 2: for now, let's just give it a break. I did
Speaker 2: get threading done.
Speaker 1: Oh, the most painful experience.
Speaker 2: Really, it's amazing. You literally get like threads in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like barbed wire threads is it wire?
Speaker 2: It's like a little wire shark. Why?
Speaker 1: And then they pull pool pool like I looked unbelievable,
Speaker 1: but the pain I could not do it again.
Speaker 2: Really do they stay in there or do they put them?
Speaker 2: They seen there?
Speaker 1: And then so for a few days afterwards, I could
Speaker 1: feel my face being listed.
Speaker 2: It was the most bizarre experience.
Speaker 1: And I have a pretty high pain threshold, and you
Speaker 1: still and I was still.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, never again.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: The downtime, Like I was swollen for ages. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: also the thing. Downtime. It's like, especially when you're filming. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've got a film three days time. I can't be
Speaker 2: puffy yeah, or be stung yeah, be stuck. Melbourne a
Speaker 2: big problem. It's a big Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's like in terms of like injectibles or anything
Speaker 1: like harsh, like in terms of cosmic that's all. I've
Speaker 1: had done skin treatments. I've had the homage done again.
Speaker 1: Brutal really yeah, brutally not recommend it's like a tightening,
Speaker 1: skin tightening. And the doctor, my doctor was like, you
Speaker 1: know you're going to see the results in six months.
Speaker 2: Well within that.
Speaker 1: Six months, I've had botox, I've had filler.
Speaker 2: How do I know, I've had threats. How do I
Speaker 2: know what actually works? Yeah? Also six months is too long,
Speaker 2: too long. Atally, I had a high food facial and
Speaker 2: they said, which is another ty. I think it's like
Speaker 2: a heating thing. There was no downtime for that one,
Speaker 2: but they were like in six months, whoa, And I
Speaker 2: was like, I can't. I don't know time.
Speaker 1: The time is pasted it, I'm not gonna I want
Speaker 1: now yeah, I can't at least like within this week.
Speaker 2: What's the motivation. Yeah, that's way too long for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, I do regular facials. That's something that
Speaker 1: I really prioritize. Love laser genesis. I actually really want
Speaker 1: to do skin needling. I have a few friends who have.
Speaker 2: Done a needling. I suppose you haven't done that. It's
Speaker 2: the pain you're not numbing cream. Okay, I must not
Speaker 2: have like my nerves must not be right at the
Speaker 2: surface because I didn't need any numbing leam at all,
Speaker 2: and I found it fine. But some people can't deal
Speaker 2: with it. It's it's probably like a two day downtime
Speaker 2: of not putting makeup on because your skin's quite red
Speaker 2: and tingly. But actual poor size, which again like injectibles,
Speaker 2: can't change that. The poor size.
Speaker 1: Everything goes tight. Yeah, and it's it was beautiful. That's
Speaker 1: going to be my next thing, skin needling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean here you go. Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Well again, I have a million questions I didn't get
Speaker 2: to but this has been such a joy. I would
Speaker 2: love to finish with two of our little fast fire questions.
Speaker 2: And that is just what you do for pure joy
Speaker 2: and also kind of escape, and especially when we do
Speaker 2: jobs that blend so much in with our lives, it's
Speaker 2: really hard to switch off because our personal life is
Speaker 2: kind of similar to the things that we share. What
Speaker 2: do you do for joy? Is that why you love reading?
Speaker 1: I read to put me to sleep, That's why I read. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I do enjoy reading. But I would say a couple
Speaker 1: of my pure joys. One is playing like ball games
Speaker 1: with my kids sometimes, Like especially my son he's eight.
Speaker 1: He's such a silly boy and he just puts on
Speaker 1: these like accents and it's just he's just silly and
Speaker 1: he makes everything so light.
Speaker 2: And my daughter.
Speaker 1: As well, she's got a great personality.
Speaker 2: I'm very lucky.
Speaker 1: Like they're the kids that, like you just want to
Speaker 1: hang out with, you know, like, oh my god, my
Speaker 1: kids are like no, no, I love hanging out with
Speaker 1: my kids. They've got great personalities, Like they're hilarious, take
Speaker 1: after me. Obviously, people in the world like I made
Speaker 1: them that way, but know that we love love playing
Speaker 1: ball games together with them, and and yeah, that makes
Speaker 1: me happy. But then also I love doing things with
Speaker 1: my girlfriends. We've just started doing like once a month,
Speaker 1: trying different groups.
Speaker 2: I love that I saw that.
Speaker 1: So we went to like the comedy festival the other week.
Speaker 1: We're going to go on a ghost to our Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really want to do fencing one day. Yeah yeah, Actually,
Speaker 1: Ange and I do you know Ang?
Speaker 2: Have you met An? You know, the little Vietnamese.
Speaker 1: She's always with me anyway, she's just moving to stay,
Speaker 1: which is so sad, but she's a big part of CZA.
Speaker 2: She's one of our closest friends. And she's like ten
Speaker 2: years younger than us, but that shows my level of
Speaker 2: maturity that she's one of my closest friends. But our
Speaker 2: thing was for CZA. We'd book like for each other's
Speaker 2: birthdays or just every month, a random activity like let's
Speaker 2: go back and do gymnastics. All let's do we did
Speaker 2: like ceramics, and then we did what's that thing we're
Speaker 2: tufting where you like tuft those mats and like just
Speaker 2: arts and crafts and random activity like fencing. We just go,
Speaker 2: I want to do taekwondo, like let's just do a class,
Speaker 2: and you don't do that as an adult anymore. And
Speaker 2: it's so nice when you just remember no one's stopping you, no.
Speaker 1: One's stopping just a schedule, just a kids, your kids
Speaker 1: sporty ATV. That's your think that's stopping me my day
Speaker 1: to life schedule.
Speaker 2: And also you thinking that it's silly, like I think
Speaker 2: we think if it's not, if it doesn't progress me
Speaker 2: in some way, or like it's a kid's activity, why
Speaker 2: would adults go to a bouncing castle or whatever? And
Speaker 2: it's like, why wouldn't you just do it? It's the
Speaker 2: best time. We're in amazed once, oh freak. And final question,
Speaker 2: what is your favorite quote? If you have one.
Speaker 1: One quote that I always reflect on when it comes
Speaker 1: to work in business is this hockey quote.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard of it. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you would have heard of it.
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to mess it up because it's memory.
Speaker 2: No, but it's something along the lines of.
Speaker 1: Don't go where the puck is going, go with a
Speaker 1: puck is going to go next.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in short form, yeah, just all you're always trying
Speaker 1: to be a few steps ahead because by the time
Speaker 1: people have caught up to especially in the line of
Speaker 1: work that we do, you constantly need to be thinking ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so don't do what everyone's doing. Now, do what everyone's
Speaker 1: going to be wanting to do next.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and you're the queen of that. I
Speaker 2: feel like that's been your entire career, and I've found
Speaker 2: that has always been really important in my life until motherhood,
Speaker 2: where the space of my brain that usually has space
Speaker 2: to think that many steps ahead has just been like
Speaker 2: a sleep for a little while. I'm waiting for it
Speaker 2: to wake back up, and I think I'm getting there.
Speaker 2: But that's incredible advice. And thank you so much for
Speaker 2: being so generous and open, and in the like thirty
Speaker 2: something years that we've known each other, every time I
Speaker 2: see you, I love you more and more and I'm
Speaker 2: so grateful for your time today. Thank Youwan, congrats on
Speaker 2: the podcast. It's amazing. Thanks for having me. Thank you.
Speaker 2: This was so much fun. Oh my gosh. Reliving those
Speaker 2: glory days brings me so much joy. But also, I
Speaker 2: just love Rosa Moore. Every time I speak with her.
Speaker 2: She's honestly one of the most perfectly groomed, beautifully presented
Speaker 2: people I've ever met. But I love how easy she
Speaker 2: is to talk to. And I know it sounds so cliche,
Speaker 2: but just so down to earth. It's such a privilege
Speaker 2: to share parts of people you don't see as much,
Speaker 2: and she was just so open with us. So if
Speaker 2: you did enjoy especially any of the throwbacks, if you
Speaker 2: identified with any of those, please do share the episode,
Speaker 2: tagging at Rosalia Underscore Russian and Us to thank her
Speaker 2: for her time and openness. And of course, the links
Speaker 2: to the witchery white shirt are in the show notes,
Speaker 2: along with links to Rosa's pages. I also hope you
Speaker 2: all had a beautiful Mother's Day. To those who celebrate,
Speaker 2: I have some seize the baby thoughts brewing that didn't
Speaker 2: get published on time, but will be coming your way,
Speaker 2: and sending all my love to those who find it
Speaker 2: a difficult day to celebrate, especially the mothers to be.
Speaker 2: I have been there and hold you all in my heart.
Speaker 2: I'll cut myself off there because I could go on forever,
Speaker 2: but hope you are having a beautiful week and are
Speaker 2: seizing your yate