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Speaker 1: So then I start up floating those bad mirror selfies

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Speaker 1: Of the least of my worries. My theory silence is violence.

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Speaker 1: English was my second language. I did EOCEL at school.

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Speaker 1: You never know what someone's background is, you never know

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the Ya Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives they adore,

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Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day

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Speaker 2: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm

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Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 2: unentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found

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Speaker 2: matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. Czya is a series

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Speaker 2: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring

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Speaker 2: the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.

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Speaker 2: If you've been on the Internet at all over the

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Speaker 2: past decade or so you've likely been influenced by Rosalia Russian,

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Speaker 2: who I feel comfortable calling one of the og influences

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Speaker 2: of our time. While many of us embrace the mirror

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Speaker 2: of us then transformed into one of the country's most

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Speaker 2: to her every move. What I love most about Rosa, though,

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Speaker 2: isn't her effortlessly immaculate style or perfect grooming. Although I

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Speaker 2: more down to earth than you might first expect, arriving

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Speaker 2: her early life in ESL classes at school, her hilariously

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Speaker 2: I've actually been there for most of this ride, knowing Rosa,

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Speaker 2: not only since before social media, during our clubbing days

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Speaker 2: that was so much fun to relive, and before her

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Speaker 2: our teeny tiny ballerina days at the Australian Ballet School.

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Speaker 2: So it's with a weird sense of pride that I've

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Speaker 2: watched her flourish but also use her influence for wonderful

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Speaker 2: causes over the years. This year, Rosa is one of

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Speaker 2: the ambassadors for the Witchery White shirt campaign, which you've

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Speaker 2: both wearing the beautiful shirts from this year, designed by

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, I hope you enjoyed this one as

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Speaker 2: much as I did. Rosa Russian, Hi, Hi, welcome to

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Speaker 2: this is so exciting. We have been friends since. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if a lot of people know this, and

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Speaker 2: I tried to find a photo, but since we were

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Speaker 2: in primary school, I want to say, really, yes, primary school?

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Speaker 2: Well did you start the ABS in primary school? I

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting that you didn't think that that was

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a forensic psychiatrist stop, or a

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Speaker 2: As a kid, I was obsessed. That's why I like

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Speaker 1: But also I'm like, give me a name, give me

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Speaker 2: You anything, anything and everything about them. I'm the same.

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Speaker 2: I'm the same. That is amazing. That's a life skill.

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Speaker 2: It is a life skill. In another world, you could

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Speaker 1: So year ten, I was still at the Australian Ballet

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And did you get to take it?

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Speaker 2: Did you take out the bad ones that you hated? No?

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Speaker 2: There were no We're just all beautiful. But it's one.

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Speaker 1: How can you take a bad photo? You're happy, carefree,

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Speaker 1: But we'd know where to post the photos. Oh, Facebook,

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Speaker 2: you get this dress? And or where did you get

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00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: that whatever? Or where do you get your fake tann

436
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, although we were real tanned back

437
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 2: then because we had time to outside, you know, that's

438
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: where it began. Like everyone wanted to know everything that

439
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 2: you were doing. But it happened in real life. And

440
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: so it's so crazy to me thinking about having watched

441
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 2: you have the same influence you have now, but just

442
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 2: in different forums kind of through the ages. So it

443
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: started back then, and I've heard you describe it as

444
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: that you fell into what you do now, But can

445
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: you actually describe to us how it went from influencing

446
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 2: people on dance laws on the weekend and then seeing

447
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: them turn up the next week in the exact same

448
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 2: thing to what you do now? Like what was that

449
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: that kind of bridging?

450
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: Like, well, I think naturally, as you mentioned, people were

451
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: just curious because I was, you know, his girlfriend, and

452
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: all the different events that are happening now like a

453
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: David Jones Runway show or the Levatzavarqui we were going

454
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: to back then because we were invited you know, via

455
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: Nick and Nix was like he had this incredible network

456
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: of people, so we were already in that scene. I

457
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: was working a corporate jobs, so for me, I was

458
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: like Monday to Friday in the office and then on

459
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: the weekend. But obviously just you know, the time of

460
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: our lives, have.

461
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: A great time.

462
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: But there was no again, there was no social what

463
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: I said, there was Facebook back then, there was no

464
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 1: Instagram and then it wasn't until just before we were

465
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: getting married. Nick was going to Vegas for his Bucks party.

466
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: I still remember, and he was showing me this like

467
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: app He's like, oh, there's this new thing called Instagram,

468
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: and I'm okay, so I like downloaded it and then

469
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: so I started uploading photos of my girlfriends and I

470
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: whilst when we're out, and that's when the comments started like.

471
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: Oh, where's your skirt from?

472
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 1: Well, where's your you know, and so I'm like, oh, okay.

473
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: So then I started bloating those bad mirror selfies with

474
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: Valencia Vali and it was like, here's my age sequin miniskirt.

475
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: With my furtherest and MYVA.

476
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: Earrings and my Steve Madam boots, like the ankle boots.

477
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: Do you remember not an ankle boots? Yeah? What a time.

478
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then uploaded photos and but then people like,

479
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: but okay, we know the outfit, but what about you blush?

480
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: What blush color you're wearing?

481
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: So then I'm like, oh, there was no selfies, so

482
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: it was selfies.

483
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 2: There were mirror.

484
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: Selfies, miror selfie, but not like you know, like face selfies.

485
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: So then I naturally started uploading that. And then that's

486
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, brands would reach out to

487
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: Nick and say, hey, does Rosen want a dress? And

488
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: we'll send her something, and it's kind of like it

489
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: started like that, and Nick again turned to me very

490
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: business and he's like, I reckon, you can start making

491
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: money off this. So that's when we started off. Kind

492
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: of remember what it was like one hundred dollars for like.

493
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: A post or something. Wow wow yeah, but it was like,

494
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: you know, good money back then though, great money.

495
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it just naturally. And then we got married

496
00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: and I remember all these different people wanting to following me,

497
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: and someone had been tagging photos of me, of my

498
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: wedding dress and uploading photos on their profile and as.

499
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: In like, oh my god, this is amazing.

500
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: Yes, and so people started wanting to follow me. I'm like,

501
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: these randoms, how weird? So I declined them all and

502
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: went on to Prime and decline.

503
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: Your you were not to prive this is random?

504
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, but I still find it weird, you know,

505
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: like when I sit there like looking at the videos

506
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: and wait, so I'm talking. Who am I talking to

507
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: about what I'm wearing?

508
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: Like why do they care?

509
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: I still find it really bizarre when you sit there

510
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: and break it down. It is a very weird concept.

511
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: But that's how it started.

512
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, And it's funny. I look back now

513
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: and think about those wild clubbing days were. At the time,

514
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure our parents were like seriously concerned about us

515
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: being out four nights a week for my whole union degree.

516
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: But now I think about it, I'm like, actually there

517
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: was some business around it. Like there's firstly, a lot

518
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: of the networks I have today even knowing you, and

519
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: a lot of almost in fact, almost everyone at a

520
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: lot of the events that I still see through our

521
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: businesses now I met back then, and those relationships all

522
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: came from being out and about and meeting people in

523
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: person and developing relationships. But also like we got paid

524
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: to be there, like we were promoters. And I was

525
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: trying to explain to Josh the concept of turning up

526
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: picking up your little envelope with cash. Money used to

527
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: be cash, so cash in an envelope and little drink cards,

528
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: and I'm like that was kind of entrepreneurial, Like I

529
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: made money to go where I wanted to go anyway,

530
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: and then I didn't have to pay for drinks, and

531
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: then I saved that money to go traveling, and like,

532
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: that's entrepreneurial from the very beginning. So there were real

533
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: plus sides to that time. And I'm sad that the

534
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: current generation won't get that.

535
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: I know, I hear that they go to Yochi for dates.

536
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: So sad. Why why, like you know, like so many

537
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: years of that time, Well, you're missing out. I'm all for.

538
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, go out, get drunk, get it out of

539
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: your sister days to have.

540
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: A good time.

541
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: Have you seen that meme going around of like, you know,

542
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: girls in their twenties talking about their you know, their

543
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: diet and their health routine and their exercise routine and

544
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: they're like gorgeous and everything.

545
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: It's like, mate, when I was your AJ McDonald's.

546
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: Every every single Saturday, barely relect got drunk every single

547
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: day of the week very much.

548
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't have been encouraging that.

549
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: Like I partied, I lived, I still looked amazing. It's

550
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: because you're is it because you're twenty. Come back to

551
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: me when you're like late thirties, forties and then tell

552
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: me you know your diet and your exercise routine. Yeah.

553
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: I do feel like they skip a chapter, like they're

554
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: all immaculately made up and so aware of yeah, of

555
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: what they look like. And there's content and there's so

556
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: much focus on content when you go out and I'm like,

557
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: just didn't I love the liberty of not Yeah, I

558
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: just enjoying it and looking fairal and being so sweaty

559
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: on the dance floor that your hair has ruined. But

560
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: Anthony already took your photos, so like, it doesn't matter

561
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: what you look like by the night, who care?

562
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: And if you don't like the photo, you untag yourself.

563
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: And no one can see see it all over. Yeah,

564
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: Millennials listening to this, this would be a dream like

565
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: the throwback to the glory days. Oh my goodness. But now,

566
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it did start in such a random, haphazard way,

567
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: but you were on the platform so early, and then

568
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: it's continued to be your career since then in such

569
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: an incredible way. And being so early, I think you

570
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: have kind of seen every part of it. You've seen

571
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: the amazing way that it can make a livelihood and

572
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: support a lifestyle and open up incredible opportunities. And then

573
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: there are also parts that I'm sure you cringe about,

574
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: and parts that a struggle. Like every job has downsides

575
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: as well. So can you take us through maybe some

576
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: of the most surreal, cool places or people you've met,

577
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: or things you've ended up doing that you never expected,

578
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: some of the cringiest things you look back on from

579
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: your early content, and then some of the downsides that

580
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: you have struggled with or still do.

581
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: So what are the highlights, I'd say a couple of

582
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: years ago. So I have been working as an ambassador

583
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: with Bull Green Jewelry for a few years now, and

584
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago they flew me to Tokyo

585
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: to launch their new Bullgrey hotel.

586
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: There.

587
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: That's right. I remember that and it was unbelievable. Like

588
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: anytime I think that I'm like stuck in a rut

589
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: or you know, you just you think about going overseas

590
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: and you think about those moments and you're like, oh

591
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: my god, the world is so big. I know that

592
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: sounds so cliche that you're like, oh my god, the

593
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: world is so big. There's actually so many opportunities. There

594
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: are so many amazing, interesting people that I haven't met.

595
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Like Anne Hathaway was there?

596
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, people found girl? You do you found girl? People? Yeah? Yes,

597
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: you record? That makes sense? Yes? Yeah, yeah, what did

598
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: you do? I just walked past her. I couldn't speak

599
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: to it. I was just like I just kept it

600
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: walking past. I've been trying to get a photo with

601
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: her in the background. Like any normal person. I love that.

602
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Because I was like I was, I was up there

603
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: with so many influential people. I couldn't be that little

604
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: Australian who was like fangirling and being like, oh.

605
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: My god, would have done it. Baby, got one chance

606
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: in life to get your photo with Anne Hathaway.

607
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: She was beautiful, like wow, like in terms of like

608
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: seeing someone in person, she was just like porcelain skin.

609
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: Think about you just saying no, you know, like that

610
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: star factor she just had. You could she has it.

611
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: She had that presence. So that was amazing being given

612
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: that opportunity. The most cringiest moment is just any outfit

613
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: from like five years ago back hot love it.

614
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: That's probably like I look back at my outfits and

615
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: my hair, I'm like, oh my god, crim I love them.

616
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: I can think of some like even of my outfits

617
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: of yours and mine like that where we were all

618
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: in the same category in particular eras and I'm like, wow,

619
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: like the green with envy where we'd all get like

620
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 2: the same dress or like the same kind of like

621
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: gasp type dresses and think they were the ship that

622
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: top with like skinny leather leggings and like a platform

623
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: with like a peep toe, like a peepte.

624
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: So many bads, so many but we're we're just like,

625
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we're so hot.

626
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: And also they're like walking to the front of the

627
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: line when you knew obviously you got to do that

628
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: because of Nick. But I'm like, we weren't married to Nick,

629
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: and we would just like.

630
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: Past everyone and be like, oh, I got Does everyone

631
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: hate us because we did that?

632
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? I should hate you. What about the downsides? Have

633
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: you had? Trolls, like, how do you cope with the

634
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: level of You've had public scrutiny on your life since

635
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: before most of us have been introduced to that world,

636
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: And you do have to have a really thick skin.

637
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: And I think you always seem to have such a

638
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: good head on your shoulders about it and are so

639
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: down to earth, which people I think would be surprised

640
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: by because you get to do such incredible opportunities, but

641
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: always so events. You're always so normal, and I think

642
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: it's just one of the most endearing things about you.

643
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: But how do you keep a good head on your

644
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: shoulders with all that stuff?

645
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: I think two honest trolls are the least of my worries. Yeah,

646
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: like you're sitting in there criticizing me. I'm criticizing myself

647
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: because my next job depends on how good my previous

648
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: job was.

649
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: So that's what people.

650
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: Don't realize about social media, Like trolls don't really get

651
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: to me, and I'm quite fortunate, Like I don't really

652
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: get trolls because I don't really voice my public opinion.

653
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: It too often or.

654
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Too much, because it's just it's honestly, it's not worth

655
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: it for me. I'm here to do a job, and

656
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: that's how as well. I think I keep things very

657
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: neutral and I don't get affected because social media is

658
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: a job for me and I still share like my kids,

659
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: my day life things, and I do enjoy doing that.

660
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: But for the trolls, I'm like, what are you trolling me?

661
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: Like you don't let my outfit no worries.

662
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: You like you don't have to wear it. You don't

663
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: have to wear it. I probably won't like it by

664
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: next week either. I didn't like it at the time.

665
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: It was my best work.

666
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: No, So trolls honestly don't really get to me, and

667
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: I think though that's also it's taken me a good

668
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: ten years to get to this stage. Had you have

669
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: asked me this question five years ago, completely different story.

670
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: I was that person who I'd write back and your

671
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: response was never good enough, and then they would keep

672
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: on going and they keep fighting. Now the power of ignore. Okay,

673
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's your opinion, no problem, just move on

674
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: the power. My theory is silence is violence. Yeah, yeah,

675
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, and I just I'm like, okay,

676
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: no problem. Like I had one person message me about

677
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: something and they're like, oh my god, the way you.

678
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: Talk is so slow and so boring.

679
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no problem, thanks for following me, you know,

680
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: best of luck.

681
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: Just act of luck. It's like so passive, aggressive lot it.

682
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: She was like, oh, no, sorry, I didn't mean to

683
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: offend you. I'm like, trust me, you haven't offended me.

684
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: That's even more of a flex, Like babe, I'm fine,

685
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm fine.

686
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I'm just saying to you, I'm

687
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: just going to skip your stories. I'm like, no problem.

688
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: If you want to follow me, that's completely fine as well.

689
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: I have to announce it.

690
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: You need to know no as I'm saying, like it

691
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: just honestly hand in my heart does not affect me

692
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: if you don't like my collection, Okay, well that's a

693
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: bit of a problem. Yeah. Kids, Again, my job is

694
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: to create you know, a certain amount of obviously, you know,

695
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: like sales, and but.

696
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: Also it's like, babe, it's sold out. You can't get anyway.

697
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: So I don't care what you think. Yeah, it's on

698
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: out multiple times. Yeah, what do you think about that? Yeah?

699
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: But I think though, if if I could give advice

700
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: to young girls or guys who were starting out social

701
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: media or even like you know, they're five years into

702
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: it and are still getting effected by those comments, I

703
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: think you need to distinguish between work and what's real.

704
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm like, if the people whose opinion

705
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: I care about, if they're upset with me, then I

706
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: can't sleep at night. It eats away of me. If

707
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: I don't know you, your opinion of me does not

708
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: affect me. But that's your opinion though as well. And

709
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: you're more than entitled to your opinion and I won't

710
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: hold that against you either. Yeah. So I think you

711
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: just need to try and create that balance, and that's

712
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: the best way to be able to switch off as well.

713
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: That is so powerful and so reasoned in a time

714
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: where it is easy to spiral and to lose perspective.

715
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: I think because it is a blurry line between that's

716
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: me that you're attacking and it's my value versus it's

717
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: the perception of me and my career. And I think

718
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: I'm quite similar to you in that I do make

719
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: quite a conscious choice, and sometimes I wish it was different,

720
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: But I do make a choice to not voice really

721
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: controversial opinions even when I think I would like to

722
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: use my platform that way, because it is worth it

723
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: to me and I love being vanilla. I want people

724
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: to come to my page and be I could have

725
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: a lot more followers and engaging and if I wasn't,

726
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: but I want people to come to my page and

727
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: not have their heart rate really change. I don't want

728
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 2: them to feel stressed. I want it to be a safe,

729
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: happy place where they find some stuff they're interested in,

730
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: but they don't have a breakdown or no one feels

731
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: you know, I just and I don't want to have

732
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: a breakdown either, which means I'm the same. I haven't

733
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: had many trolls, and I can enjoy it for the

734
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: lovely place that can be.

735
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: But that's the thing, Like the world could be so

736
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: dark and so heavy that you don't need to add

737
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: to it. I like to escape from certain things as well,

738
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: and so you know, I go on TikTok and my

739
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: algorithm is most random things like cats, like attacking, like dogs.

740
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: Like puppies. It's so cute, like it's happy. Yeah, I

741
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: don't need, yeah, mindless.

742
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't need everything to be so heavy around

743
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: me all the time.

744
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that. Do you ever get and

745
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: this is just a question that's quite timely for me?

746
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: And I think you're probably one of my role models

747
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: in this area. Is even if it's not other people's

748
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: opinions that you're worried about. I do get sort of

749
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: caught up sometimes in the relevance race, like I really

750
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: want to take time away to be with Teddy and

751
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: to be a bit offline, but it is my job.

752
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: So I also want to be there creating content and

753
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: I love doing it. But then I'm like, if I'm

754
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: not honored enough, am I going to fall out of relevance.

755
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: There's a whole new young generation coming up, Like how

756
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: do you find that balance between I need to be there,

757
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 2: but I also don't want to be there all the time,

758
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: but yeah, how do I keep interesting if I'm not

759
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: going to voice public opinions and stuff.

760
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: Look, I do think it's hard topic to discuss. And

761
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: for me, for example, the downside of social media for

762
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: me is that you see the jobs that say like

763
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: that you went for and didn't get and see someone

764
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: else you see who got that's true, or you see

765
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: other people working you're like, oh, I didn't get that job,

766
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: but I wasn't invited for that. So it's like that

767
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: constant slap in the face, that real highlight of you know,

768
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: maybe no, you weren't good enough for that job, you

769
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: didn't get it. So it can be very hard. And

770
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: this is why you do need to distinguish between well,

771
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: that's not me personally, that's they didn't you think that

772
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: I was the best alignment for that brand, for whatever

773
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: it is. And it's really hard. So when I feel

774
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: like that, I actually step back, and I did so recently,

775
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: Like so the past six months, like I haven't really

776
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: been working that much as I've been focusing on my

777
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: health and taking a step back, and whilst I was

778
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: still checking social media my head, I just couldn't get

779
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: any clarity on what I wanted to do my next step.

780
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: So I actually took some time away. I didn't check

781
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: my social media for a week.

782
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: It's not well, but no, it's funny that it sounds silly,

783
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: but that's a long time in our world. Yep, yeah,

784
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: came back and I'm like, right, I'm back. I'm back.

785
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: I know what i want to do, I know what

786
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: my next movie is. I'm back.

787
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: I have motivation. I'm ready, I'm ready to work. I'm

788
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: ready to go. And it's hard because, like any job,

789
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: you need to have holidays.

790
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: So think about.

791
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: Any corporate job or you're a school teacher. You have

792
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: you don't work on the weekends, but you also have

793
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks off here and there. And it's

794
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: the same thing with social media. You need to have

795
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks off.

796
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And I think it's hard because no

797
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: one's going to force that holiday on you. Like you.

798
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: It's structured in a teaching job, but social media doesn't close,

799
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: so you have to pick it yourself. But I think

800
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 2: one of the really beautiful and positive things about it

801
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: is that when you do want to use your influence

802
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: in a positive way, you also do that for things

803
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 2: that you're really passionate about. And one of the campaigns

804
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: you've been part of and that we both I think

805
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: have been part of for a couple of years is

806
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: the Witchery and OCRF white shirt campaign and we're both

807
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: wearing the white shirts from this year. Every year they

808
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: do an incredible I think it's the age seventeenth or

809
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: eighteenth year of making this incredible seventeen years of making

810
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: these incredible bullhirts. They're different every year, and all of

811
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: the funds go towards the ocire of incredible research around

812
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 2: ovarian cancer. So how do you choose when you're going

813
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: to be part of a campaign like this and why

814
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: is it important to you? I know your health has

815
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: been something that has been playing up over the past

816
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: year and probably brings it more to the forefront of

817
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: your mind. Well, I think.

818
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: If we don't have our health, we don't have anything.

819
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: You could have absolutely, you know, all the different handbags

820
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: you want in the world, or you got your dream job,

821
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: you could have, you know, the most amazing house. But

822
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you don't have

823
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: your health, you don't have anything. And having a daughter

824
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: as well, it was so important for me to be

825
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: part of this campaign because it's so scary to think

826
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: that there is no early detection test and less than

827
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: half of the women who were diagnosed with ovarian cancer

828
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: will survive the next five years. So the statistics are

829
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: very confronting, and having a daughter, I think it's something

830
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 1: that I know you want to create a better world,

831
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: a better future for them. The Witchery White Shirt campaign,

832
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: as you mention, has been going on for seventeen years.

833
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: They've raised seventeen million dollars and extraordinary research is really

834
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: progressing really fast. And when I attended the event in

835
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: Sydney for the launch of the campaign, they had some

836
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: amazing women speak and one of the women who was speaking,

837
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: she was diagnosed when she was like young, like a

838
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: little girl, and it's something that I've never even heard about,

839
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: Like I didn't that was possible, yeah until just now,

840
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: until now, And she said in a way she was

841
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: grateful that she was so young that she didn't realize

842
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: what was going on the impact, So that was an

843
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: unbelievable story. Then on the same stage, we had a

844
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: mum who had two small kids same age as me,

845
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: nine and eleven, and she had Christmas news, Eve was

846
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: going out for a run and then all of a sudden,

847
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: just one day, just didn't feel right. You know. She

848
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: went to the doctor and they were like, you know,

849
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: it's the festive season, and she's like, no, just something

850
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: just didn't feel right. Her own intuition, she was just like,

851
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: something just doesn't feel right. And she had over ering cancer.

852
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: And the treatment that the young woman was having when

853
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: she was a little girl is pretty much the same

854
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: treatment options that we have now. So it's scary to

855
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: think that in all those years, how little we have progressed.

856
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: And I think it's absolutely amazing that Witchery have this

857
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: initiative and really pushing for some sort of detection test

858
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: that we can at least have a chance to catch

859
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: it early before it's too late.

860
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely seems like one of those areas of

861
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: her where you lose so much time by not even

862
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: knowing that it's there, And there's if you don't have

863
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: any education around symptoms of what to look for, or

864
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: I think sometimes there aren't symptoms that present, and so

865
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: why would you go and get an early detection test

866
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: unless you knew that it existed and it was possible,

867
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: like it's so hard when you're up against a situation

868
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: where you can't refer people to a test because it

869
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: doesn't exist. So the research is so incredibly impactful, and

870
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: I mean, seventeen million dollars goes so far in an

871
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: area where otherwise I think without this campaign, there are

872
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 2: so many women over the last seventeen years who wouldn't

873
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: have heard of ovarian cancer or know anything about the statistics.

874
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: So it is incredible that people like yourself are lending

875
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: their platform to talking about it and being yeah, so

876
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: generous with your platforms to make sure that people know

877
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: and can donate. So what are some of the ways

878
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: that everyone can be part of it? Obviously the shirts

879
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: one of the biggest ways.

880
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: YEAP so this year the shirt was designed with Victorian Woods.

881
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: Mayu was the founder. Is an credible person and role

882
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: model as well. I've been fortunate to be friends with

883
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: her for quite quite a few years and her own

884
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: mother is going through ovarian cancer.

885
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: At the moment.

886
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: I know that, yeah, so it's something that's very close

887
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: to her heart at the moment. So she has designed

888
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: this beautiful shirt and it can be worn multiple ways,

889
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: and the shirt you can be purchased instore online, with

890
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the proceeds going to research in

891
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: finding an early detection test because, as I mentioned prior,

892
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: the fact that less than half the women diagnose will

893
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: survive the next five years, that's an absolutely shocking statistic

894
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: and just something that you know, we need to try

895
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: and find a cure or a solution for.

896
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely well, I'll make sure to include the links.

897
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: You can buy them online as well, guys, So I'll

898
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: include the direct links and also links to more information

899
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: about what the OCRF does in the show notes. And

900
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: so grateful for the incredible work that Witchery, the OCRF,

901
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: the tron Woods and Rosa and the ambassadors are doing

902
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: this year. I have so many questions to ask you,

903
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: and we have so limited time. I feel like there's

904
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: a million places that we could go, and particularly with motherhood,

905
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: because I've followed you so closely and you were I

906
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: always say I'm so grateful that I wasn't the first

907
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: in my group because I feel like I could see

908
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: a realistic view of everything that I could expect. I

909
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: had no surprises, really like obviously your surprise when it happens,

910
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: but I kind of had a good, realistic introduction. But

911
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: you had kids so young, and you just seem to

912
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: juggle it so well, so I couldn't not ask. Do

913
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: you always seem so immaculate? And I think that's one

914
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: thing that we all love you so much for, is

915
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: you're so put together, but so effortlessly. But do you

916
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: ever have a feral grocery run moment? Or I know

917
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 2: you have struggled over the last year, you had shingles

918
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: recently and have been unwell, you just still seem to

919
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: always look incredible. Do you ever just look like a

920
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: total bum? Absolutely? When this morning, when gal this morning

921
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: on my coffee run, do you know what I wore?

922
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: Tell me please? I had my pajama top on? Is

923
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: it on your LTK? No, had my pajama top on?

924
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: I put a I just put a hoodie over the.

925
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: Top of my pajamas.

926
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: Hot and but I was cute though you still look cute?

927
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: How it hadn't washed my face? Nice, didn't even brush

928
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: my teeth?

929
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: Stop it.

930
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't believe you would leave the house of

931
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: that running. And I walked down the street to my

932
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: coffee shop. I was desperate for a coffee. You did

933
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 2: not know.

934
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: I actually can't be if I said that aloud. But no,

935
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: I was Feryl so glad.

936
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: That makes us all feel so much better. I just

937
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: don't believe it. I just don't believe it.

938
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: No, Honestly, the majority of time I'm in my gym clothes.

939
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: And every single year, my news resolution is to get

940
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: dressed every.

941
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: Day, to get or shower every day.

942
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: Again, See, you're like you, but you did think I've

943
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: been talking about how disgusting.

944
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: I know. I want you to talk about it. That's

945
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: my favorite part.

946
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: No, because you're so busy, Like as a mum, you'll

947
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: realize that when your kids are older, when you wake up.

948
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: So I'll wake up at six six thirty in the

949
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: morning and I just throw on some active were because

950
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: it is you know, if I haven't made the lunchboxes,

951
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: the lunchboxes the next day, do you.

952
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: Have to make lunchbox of course, of course, forget about

953
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: when they get older. And then the breakfast.

954
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the breakfast, it's emptying the dishwasher, it's feeding

955
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: my zoo of animals, zoo animals, zoo animals, like there's

956
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: always so then I'll like quickly run to the gym,

957
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: or I'll like to take my dog for a walk

958
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: and then I'll come home, I'll jump on my emails,

959
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: do a load of washing, and then before you know,

960
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, it's two thirty. I need

961
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: to do school pickup. So am I going to shower now?

962
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: Or can I do another load of washing and then

963
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: some more emails and shower tomorrow and.

964
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: Shower next week.

965
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: Or shower as I can at nighttime before jumping into bed.

966
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: And so it's just prioritizing your time.

967
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: And not your hygiene so much awful. It brings me

968
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: so much joy. We believe it. But it's the best fart.

969
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: It is so reassuring to hear that because you are

970
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: so good at being put together, and we do see

971
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: you at events and you just always look at baculate.

972
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: It's very reassuring to hear that you can leave the

973
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: house without brushing your teeth or showering. I love that.

974
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: It's so But in order to say, for example, tips

975
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: on how to look put together whilst being feral and

976
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: not like, you know, hygienic, yeah.

977
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: You know, like give us a tip. I need them.

978
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: I always make sure I really look after my skin

979
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: and my health. So it's kind of like, do you

980
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: know what, if my skin feels good, I'm like, I

981
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: don't need to be wearing makeup. I'll put on some

982
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: sunscreen and that's it, and I'll slip back my hair

983
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: and instantly you feel put together because you're like, do

984
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: you know what? My skin looks great, My hair's out

985
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: of my face, it's all clean. Everything just looks like

986
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: neat and clean, even if it's.

987
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: Not even if I'm wearing my pajamas underneath.

988
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: But then as well, my wardrobe, My wardrobe is very simple,

989
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: very basic, like all my active wads just like black.

990
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: So there's never that moment of like, oh my god,

991
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: it's like, where are my leggings to match this crop?

992
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: I was like, no, everything just matches ghost together all

993
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: the time. So the benefits of a black order, yeah,

994
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: just things like that.

995
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like you probably get this question a lot.

996
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: I think you've answered it before. Speaking of your skin

997
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: and your face. You have just the most perfect skin,

998
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: and I know you you're really good at sharing that

999
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: you do have flare up sometimes. Also when you had shingles,

1000
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: obviously your eye was really affected. And you're really good

1001
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: at showing us when you aren't necessarily feeling yourself. But

1002
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: one of the things that I always see in your

1003
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: question boxes asked is what do you get done? Do

1004
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 2: you have botox filler? Are there any treatments you've tried

1005
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 2: and loved or something you've tried and didn't rate. I've

1006
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: heard a lot about Profilo recently and like, you're you're

1007
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: the expert. I mean, I feel like you are. Literally

1008
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: the your face looks like you've had died. I've had nothing.

1009
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: You've amazing, but it's the Asian genes and I'm like,

1010
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: but it will run out, and I'm going to need

1011
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: a list. And so I've already screenshot you just like

1012
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: so funny how much of your Q and as I've

1013
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: screenshot about that sunscreen that your dermatologists recommended. There's a

1014
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: couple of things that you've recommended that I'm like, I

1015
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: need that. So now I'm like, what else do I need?

1016
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: But I'm constantly educating myself about skin, and the thing

1017
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: with skin is I'm a very bit advocate that it

1018
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: needs to come from within as well. So every morning

1019
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: I drink a bone broth, do you yeah?

1020
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: Everyone?

1021
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: Instead of coffee, I'll have a bone broth in the

1022
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: morning and throughout the day and at night time, Like

1023
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: I love a bone broth celery juice as well. First

1024
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: in the morning.

1025
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: Bone brother is so Russian of you.

1026
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's only in New like it's a recent thing.

1027
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: Just start off.

1028
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, But so I think, like I really look after

1029
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: I just want to stress that I do look after

1030
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: my skin internally as well, because it's not just about

1031
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, botox and fillers, because your skin texture does

1032
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: also play a super important role and they can't fix

1033
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: that now. They're not textural or glow related. That's like

1034
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: purely structural.

1035
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1036
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think previously why I personally didn't speak about,

1037
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, injectibles was because I think that a lot

1038
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: of the different brands that I would work with, you know,

1039
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: it's like they don't want you speaking about injectibles. They

1040
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: don't want you speaking that you have hair extensions because like, no, no,

1041
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: this serum is going to fix all your fine lines

1042
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: and wrinkles. And it's like, well it will be to

1043
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: a certain point, Like it's a combination of things. It

1044
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: can't just be skincare. It can't just be botox, it

1045
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: can't just be diet. I mean it can be, but

1046
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: I believe that it needs to be everything these days,

1047
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, if you don't want to

1048
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: work with me, you don't want to work.

1049
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: With me, this is what I do. This is what

1050
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: I do. Like, I still love your product.

1051
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: But if you don't want to work with me because

1052
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: I get a bit of botox done, well you know what,

1053
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: so be it. But in terms of what I've had

1054
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: done so botox, yes, I get regular botox.

1055
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: I have had fillers done.

1056
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: I don't love fillers because with fillers it takes a

1057
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: while for it to resolve. So what can happen is

1058
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: that your filler will pilon pilon pylon. Then it can

1059
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 1: migrate as well. And then that's when you start using

1060
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: like little lumps and bumps.

1061
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: And you don't Yeah, they have that little filler pockets there.

1062
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: The last time I had filler in my lips was

1063
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: like years ago, and I ended up having like little

1064
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: like nipple like like little nipples. It was not a

1065
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: good look. Then I had all disaster. Then I had

1066
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: all my filla dissolved.

1067
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: So it doesn't dissolve ever itself. You have to get

1068
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: it five to six years.

1069
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: Okay, that's if it hasn't migrated.

1070
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the top.

1071
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: Before you have to actually get it dissolved, yes, which

1072
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: you can see when people's lips migrated. It's like, so

1073
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: then I had it dissolved. And do you remember that

1074
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: episode of The Kadashians Chris Janna, she had that reaction.

1075
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: That was me.

1076
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: That was me.

1077
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: My whole face was live from dissolving, from dissolving it.

1078
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: I can't I'll show you the video. Oh my god,

1079
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: please do. It was hilarious, like you do, just just

1080
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: go down event steroids and his to me.

1081
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: And so I had a reaction to the Yeah, my

1082
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: poor kids.

1083
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: Because I'm very protective with my daughter about not needing

1084
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: to change what you have. So I really want her

1085
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: to not be so focused on how she looks. And

1086
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: that's why I don't really talk about like botox or

1087
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: filler like she she's cluely now, like she sees girls

1088
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: with like big lips and stuff, and she's like.

1089
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: It's my great. Yeah.

1090
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: But so I'm very mindful. So at the time, I

1091
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: just said I got stung by Bee. Like any good

1092
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: loving parents, what moms will say, I'm stung by Bee. Yeah,

1093
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I haven't cauite reached the stage where

1094
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: I can understand.

1095
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what happened.

1096
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: I start making up, like yes, because I used to

1097
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: take them to appointments and they just just to sit

1098
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: watching on the TV.

1099
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, dad, but they don't know.

1100
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: But now I would never take her to an appointment

1101
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: and like watch her see things get injected.

1102
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 2: But I do not want to traumatize it, not yet

1103
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: yet like that.

1104
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was my last dealing with filler. So

1105
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: I haven't had to filler for a really long time.

1106
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: I can see why you just bit scared of it

1107
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: for now, let's just give it a break. I did

1108
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: get threading done.

1109
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: Oh, the most painful experience.

1110
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: Really, it's amazing. You literally get like threads in.

1111
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like barbed wire threads is it wire?

1112
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: It's like a little wire shark. Why?

1113
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: And then they pull pool pool like I looked unbelievable,

1114
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: but the pain I could not do it again.

1115
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: Really do they stay in there or do they put them?

1116
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: They seen there?

1117
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: And then so for a few days afterwards, I could

1118
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: feel my face being listed.

1119
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: It was the most bizarre experience.

1120
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: And I have a pretty high pain threshold, and you

1121
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: still and I was still.

1122
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, never again.

1123
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

1124
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: The downtime, Like I was swollen for ages. Yeah, that's

1125
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: also the thing. Downtime. It's like, especially when you're filming. Yeah,

1126
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: I've got a film three days time. I can't be

1127
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: puffy yeah, or be stung yeah, be stuck. Melbourne a

1128
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: big problem. It's a big Yeah.

1129
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: But that's like in terms of like injectibles or anything

1130
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: like harsh, like in terms of cosmic that's all. I've

1131
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 1: had done skin treatments. I've had the homage done again.

1132
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: Brutal really yeah, brutally not recommend it's like a tightening,

1133
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: skin tightening. And the doctor, my doctor was like, you

1134
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: know you're going to see the results in six months.

1135
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: Well within that.

1136
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: Six months, I've had botox, I've had filler.

1137
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 2: How do I know, I've had threats. How do I

1138
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: know what actually works? Yeah? Also six months is too long,

1139
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: too long. Atally, I had a high food facial and

1140
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: they said, which is another ty. I think it's like

1141
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: a heating thing. There was no downtime for that one,

1142
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: but they were like in six months, whoa, And I

1143
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: was like, I can't. I don't know time.

1144
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: The time is pasted it, I'm not gonna I want

1145
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: now yeah, I can't at least like within this week.

1146
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: What's the motivation. Yeah, that's way too long for me.

1147
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, I do regular facials. That's something that

1148
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: I really prioritize. Love laser genesis. I actually really want

1149
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: to do skin needling. I have a few friends who have.

1150
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: Done a needling. I suppose you haven't done that. It's

1151
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 2: the pain you're not numbing cream. Okay, I must not

1152
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: have like my nerves must not be right at the

1153
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: surface because I didn't need any numbing leam at all,

1154
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 2: and I found it fine. But some people can't deal

1155
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: with it. It's it's probably like a two day downtime

1156
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: of not putting makeup on because your skin's quite red

1157
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: and tingly. But actual poor size, which again like injectibles,

1158
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: can't change that. The poor size.

1159
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: Everything goes tight. Yeah, and it's it was beautiful. That's

1160
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: going to be my next thing, skin needling.

1161
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean here you go. Yeah, Oh my gosh.

1162
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: Well again, I have a million questions I didn't get

1163
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: to but this has been such a joy. I would

1164
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: love to finish with two of our little fast fire questions.

1165
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 2: And that is just what you do for pure joy

1166
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 2: and also kind of escape, and especially when we do

1167
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: jobs that blend so much in with our lives, it's

1168
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: really hard to switch off because our personal life is

1169
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: kind of similar to the things that we share. What

1170
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: do you do for joy? Is that why you love reading?

1171
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: I read to put me to sleep, That's why I read. Yeah, No,

1172
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: I do enjoy reading. But I would say a couple

1173
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: of my pure joys. One is playing like ball games

1174
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: with my kids sometimes, Like especially my son he's eight.

1175
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: He's such a silly boy and he just puts on

1176
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: these like accents and it's just he's just silly and

1177
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: he makes everything so light.

1178
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: And my daughter.

1179
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: As well, she's got a great personality.

1180
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm very lucky.

1181
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: Like they're the kids that, like you just want to

1182
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: hang out with, you know, like, oh my god, my

1183
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: kids are like no, no, I love hanging out with

1184
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: my kids. They've got great personalities, Like they're hilarious, take

1185
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 1: after me. Obviously, people in the world like I made

1186
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: them that way, but know that we love love playing

1187
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: ball games together with them, and and yeah, that makes

1188
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: me happy. But then also I love doing things with

1189
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: my girlfriends. We've just started doing like once a month,

1190
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: trying different groups.

1191
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: I love that I saw that.

1192
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: So we went to like the comedy festival the other week.

1193
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: We're going to go on a ghost to our Yeah,

1194
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: I really want to do fencing one day. Yeah yeah, Actually,

1195
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: Ange and I do you know Ang?

1196
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: Have you met An? You know, the little Vietnamese.

1197
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: She's always with me anyway, she's just moving to stay,

1198
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: which is so sad, but she's a big part of CZA.

1199
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: She's one of our closest friends. And she's like ten

1200
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: years younger than us, but that shows my level of

1201
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 2: maturity that she's one of my closest friends. But our

1202
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: thing was for CZA. We'd book like for each other's

1203
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: birthdays or just every month, a random activity like let's

1204
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: go back and do gymnastics. All let's do we did

1205
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: like ceramics, and then we did what's that thing we're

1206
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: tufting where you like tuft those mats and like just

1207
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: arts and crafts and random activity like fencing. We just go,

1208
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: I want to do taekwondo, like let's just do a class,

1209
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: and you don't do that as an adult anymore. And

1210
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: it's so nice when you just remember no one's stopping you, no.

1211
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: One's stopping just a schedule, just a kids, your kids

1212
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: sporty ATV. That's your think that's stopping me my day

1213
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: to life schedule.

1214
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: And also you thinking that it's silly, like I think

1215
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: we think if it's not, if it doesn't progress me

1216
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: in some way, or like it's a kid's activity, why

1217
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: would adults go to a bouncing castle or whatever? And

1218
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: it's like, why wouldn't you just do it? It's the

1219
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: best time. We're in amazed once, oh freak. And final question,

1220
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: what is your favorite quote? If you have one.

1221
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: One quote that I always reflect on when it comes

1222
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: to work in business is this hockey quote.

1223
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard of it. I'm sure

1224
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: you would have heard of it.

1225
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to mess it up because it's memory.

1226
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: No, but it's something along the lines of.

1227
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: Don't go where the puck is going, go with a

1228
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: puck is going to go next.

1229
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah.

1230
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: So in short form, yeah, just all you're always trying

1231
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: to be a few steps ahead because by the time

1232
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: people have caught up to especially in the line of

1233
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: work that we do, you constantly need to be thinking ahead. Yeah,

1234
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: so don't do what everyone's doing. Now, do what everyone's

1235
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: going to be wanting to do next.

1236
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and you're the queen of that. I

1237
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: feel like that's been your entire career, and I've found

1238
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 2: that has always been really important in my life until motherhood,

1239
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: where the space of my brain that usually has space

1240
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: to think that many steps ahead has just been like

1241
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: a sleep for a little while. I'm waiting for it

1242
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: to wake back up, and I think I'm getting there.

1243
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: But that's incredible advice. And thank you so much for

1244
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: being so generous and open, and in the like thirty

1245
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: something years that we've known each other, every time I

1246
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: see you, I love you more and more and I'm

1247
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: so grateful for your time today. Thank Youwan, congrats on

1248
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: the podcast. It's amazing. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

1249
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: This was so much fun. Oh my gosh. Reliving those

1250
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: glory days brings me so much joy. But also, I

1251
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: just love Rosa Moore. Every time I speak with her.

1252
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: She's honestly one of the most perfectly groomed, beautifully presented

1253
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: people I've ever met. But I love how easy she

1254
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: is to talk to. And I know it sounds so cliche,

1255
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: but just so down to earth. It's such a privilege

1256
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: to share parts of people you don't see as much,

1257
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: and she was just so open with us. So if

1258
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: you did enjoy especially any of the throwbacks, if you

1259
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: identified with any of those, please do share the episode,

1260
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: tagging at Rosalia Underscore Russian and Us to thank her

1261
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 2: for her time and openness. And of course, the links

1262
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: to the witchery white shirt are in the show notes,

1263
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 2: along with links to Rosa's pages. I also hope you

1264
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: all had a beautiful Mother's Day. To those who celebrate,

1265
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 2: I have some seize the baby thoughts brewing that didn't

1266
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: get published on time, but will be coming your way,

1267
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: and sending all my love to those who find it

1268
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: a difficult day to celebrate, especially the mothers to be.

1269
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 2: I have been there and hold you all in my heart.

1270
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: I'll cut myself off there because I could go on forever,

1271
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: but hope you are having a beautiful week and are

1272
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: seizing your yate