1 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:16,064 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,744 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,464 --> 00:00:28,424 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,464 --> 00:00:31,944 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm Em Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick. And 6 00:00:32,024 --> 00:00:34,824 Speaker 2: on the show today, we are talking about all the 7 00:00:34,904 --> 00:00:39,024 Speaker 2: allegations against jay Z's and his alleged involvement in the 8 00:00:39,264 --> 00:00:42,744 Speaker 2: Sean Combe's case, and we're talking about everything that's happened. 9 00:00:42,864 --> 00:00:46,864 Speaker 2: We constantly give updates on this case. But first, but first, 10 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:49,344 Speaker 2: it's a big day. It's a big day, big. 11 00:00:49,264 --> 00:00:50,704 Speaker 3: Day for the girls. 12 00:00:51,184 --> 00:00:54,344 Speaker 1: A girl last Taylor, so Emily and I went to 13 00:00:54,384 --> 00:00:56,944 Speaker 1: a movie last night that we absolutely loved. More on 14 00:00:56,984 --> 00:00:59,504 Speaker 1: that later, and then we got home at about nine 15 00:00:59,544 --> 00:01:01,424 Speaker 1: o'clock and I thought, you know what, I'm staying up 16 00:01:01,464 --> 00:01:03,704 Speaker 1: for Golden Globe nominations. It is at one am. 17 00:01:03,744 --> 00:01:06,144 Speaker 2: I love how you're the professional and I'm like, I 18 00:01:06,424 --> 00:01:08,304 Speaker 2: journaled and then went to sleep. 19 00:01:08,464 --> 00:01:10,664 Speaker 1: Did you like me sending messages at two am? We 20 00:01:10,704 --> 00:01:12,904 Speaker 1: should cover this? I think we should cover that. What 21 00:01:13,024 --> 00:01:15,544 Speaker 1: is this? What was very important? Because it was there 22 00:01:15,544 --> 00:01:18,144 Speaker 1: are so many big movies and TV shows in the 23 00:01:18,184 --> 00:01:20,744 Speaker 1: mix this year. Okay, So getting into the nominations, first, 24 00:01:20,744 --> 00:01:22,104 Speaker 1: we have to talk about a little bit of drama 25 00:01:22,104 --> 00:01:25,024 Speaker 1: that was unfolding at the same time. So Amelia Perez, 26 00:01:25,024 --> 00:01:27,104 Speaker 1: which is not coming out in Australia until the sixteenth 27 00:01:27,184 --> 00:01:29,344 Speaker 1: of January. Holy hell, Mark Bannuey Calendar. 28 00:01:29,464 --> 00:01:32,504 Speaker 2: Who's Amelia Perez? Is she a woman I don't know about? 29 00:01:32,704 --> 00:01:34,624 Speaker 1: So Amelia Perez is the name of the movie. I 30 00:01:34,624 --> 00:01:37,024 Speaker 1: feel like for the last couple of years, people have 31 00:01:37,064 --> 00:01:39,704 Speaker 1: been talking so intensely about this movie and how it's 32 00:01:39,704 --> 00:01:41,464 Speaker 1: gonna win all the Oscars and how it's going to 33 00:01:41,504 --> 00:01:43,064 Speaker 1: be the best movie of the year. I haven't seen 34 00:01:43,104 --> 00:01:45,384 Speaker 1: it yet. It's coming out the sixteenth of January. It's 35 00:01:45,384 --> 00:01:48,464 Speaker 1: a musical crime drama which I feel is just so 36 00:01:48,544 --> 00:01:51,784 Speaker 1: important about a drug lord like Chicago, yeah, but with 37 00:01:51,864 --> 00:01:56,104 Speaker 1: drug lords whoa. It stars Zobe Saldana and Selena Gomez, 38 00:01:56,144 --> 00:01:57,984 Speaker 1: who everyone is saying is going to get her first 39 00:01:57,984 --> 00:02:01,504 Speaker 1: OSCAR nomination for this movie, which I would believe because 40 00:02:01,624 --> 00:02:03,704 Speaker 1: the Awards hype bride in this movie is so huge. 41 00:02:03,904 --> 00:02:07,184 Speaker 1: So as everyone was waiting yesterday for the Golden Globe 42 00:02:07,224 --> 00:02:10,184 Speaker 1: announcement to be made, a bit of drama was bubbling 43 00:02:10,464 --> 00:02:13,264 Speaker 1: up around Selena and this movie what happened. So an 44 00:02:13,304 --> 00:02:16,624 Speaker 1: actor called Eugenio Debez, who was in Coder and like 45 00:02:16,664 --> 00:02:18,904 Speaker 1: a lot of big movies like that, went on a 46 00:02:18,944 --> 00:02:23,304 Speaker 1: Spanish language entertainment podcast and Amelia Perez the movie came 47 00:02:23,424 --> 00:02:25,544 Speaker 1: up because you know, there's so much hype around it, 48 00:02:25,864 --> 00:02:28,824 Speaker 1: and he started talking about Selena Gomez in the movie 49 00:02:28,864 --> 00:02:31,304 Speaker 1: and said that the way she speaks Spanish in the 50 00:02:31,344 --> 00:02:35,744 Speaker 1: movie is completely indefensible, and the host started agreeing with him, 51 00:02:36,024 --> 00:02:37,904 Speaker 1: and then he went on to say every time she 52 00:02:38,024 --> 00:02:39,984 Speaker 1: had a scene, He's like, I watched it with my friends. 53 00:02:40,024 --> 00:02:42,624 Speaker 1: Every time Selena Gomez came on the screen or had 54 00:02:42,624 --> 00:02:44,824 Speaker 1: a scene, we all looked each other and said, WHOA, 55 00:02:44,864 --> 00:02:46,904 Speaker 1: what is this? And then he really went hard on 56 00:02:46,944 --> 00:02:49,464 Speaker 1: her for Kuala of Theo, so like in a bad way, yeah, yeah, 57 00:02:49,504 --> 00:02:51,384 Speaker 1: saying that because she doesn't speak Spanish, it's not her 58 00:02:51,384 --> 00:02:53,384 Speaker 1: first language and she didn't have enough time to learn 59 00:02:53,384 --> 00:02:55,544 Speaker 1: it for the movie, but her character speaks Spanish a 60 00:02:55,584 --> 00:02:58,264 Speaker 1: lot throughout the film. He said that if she doesn't 61 00:02:58,304 --> 00:03:00,744 Speaker 1: know what she's saying, then she can't have any nuance 62 00:03:00,784 --> 00:03:03,024 Speaker 1: in her acting. And so basically they were saying on 63 00:03:03,104 --> 00:03:05,224 Speaker 1: this podcast that completely blew up, and the clips of 64 00:03:05,264 --> 00:03:08,264 Speaker 1: it started going viral that she was really bad in 65 00:03:08,304 --> 00:03:10,064 Speaker 1: her role. And Selena, as we know, is a very 66 00:03:10,064 --> 00:03:13,024 Speaker 1: online and celebrity, so she saw all of the comments 67 00:03:13,024 --> 00:03:16,504 Speaker 1: and the videos and people talking about how her performance 68 00:03:16,904 --> 00:03:19,824 Speaker 1: wasn't correct because of the way she spoke Spanish, and 69 00:03:19,904 --> 00:03:22,704 Speaker 1: so she commented underneath one of the videos and said, 70 00:03:22,944 --> 00:03:25,104 Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. I'm sorry. I did 71 00:03:25,104 --> 00:03:26,904 Speaker 1: the best I could with the time I was given. 72 00:03:27,144 --> 00:03:29,264 Speaker 1: It doesn't take away from how much work and hard 73 00:03:29,304 --> 00:03:31,744 Speaker 1: I put into this movie. And then apparently they had 74 00:03:31,744 --> 00:03:33,984 Speaker 1: also said something about her fans in there, about how 75 00:03:34,024 --> 00:03:35,784 Speaker 1: her fans would come for them, and then she got 76 00:03:35,784 --> 00:03:37,904 Speaker 1: a bit intense, saying, I guess she was upset too 77 00:03:37,944 --> 00:03:39,984 Speaker 1: because this is her big Oscar moment and she was 78 00:03:40,024 --> 00:03:42,864 Speaker 1: getting a lot of hate online for it. She was like, 79 00:03:42,904 --> 00:03:44,904 Speaker 1: don't ever come for my fans for standing up for me, 80 00:03:45,344 --> 00:03:48,464 Speaker 1: And then Debz went on TikTok and apologized and said 81 00:03:48,504 --> 00:03:50,784 Speaker 1: he didn't mean to make such careless comments. So that 82 00:03:50,904 --> 00:03:52,624 Speaker 1: was all really bubbling up, and those were all the 83 00:03:52,704 --> 00:03:55,904 Speaker 1: headlines as the Golden Globes were coming out, and I 84 00:03:55,904 --> 00:03:57,904 Speaker 1: did feel a bit bad for Selena Gomez. Like I'm 85 00:03:57,904 --> 00:03:59,544 Speaker 1: sure people would say, like, well, why was she online? 86 00:03:59,544 --> 00:04:01,784 Speaker 1: Why was she commenting? But I think if you see 87 00:04:01,944 --> 00:04:04,544 Speaker 1: this furor kind of bubbling up around your name, it 88 00:04:04,584 --> 00:04:07,104 Speaker 1: would be your instinct to jump in. But it's just 89 00:04:07,104 --> 00:04:09,104 Speaker 1: hard because it should have been the biggest night of 90 00:04:09,144 --> 00:04:12,024 Speaker 1: her career because she was nominated for Amelia Preyers. Amelia 91 00:04:12,024 --> 00:04:15,024 Speaker 1: Preres has also broken the record at the Golden Globes 92 00:04:15,064 --> 00:04:18,304 Speaker 1: and become the most nominated film ever in the musical 93 00:04:18,384 --> 00:04:21,304 Speaker 1: or Comedy categories with ten nominations, because it's been nominated 94 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:24,944 Speaker 1: for everything like Best Movie, Actress, Supporting Actress, Screenplay, everything. 95 00:04:25,184 --> 00:04:28,024 Speaker 1: It beat Barbie, which got nine nominations last year, so 96 00:04:28,064 --> 00:04:30,704 Speaker 1: it's like her movie made history. Only Murders in the 97 00:04:30,704 --> 00:04:33,184 Speaker 1: Building is also nominated, Like she's nominated multiple. 98 00:04:33,744 --> 00:04:34,784 Speaker 3: Of both TV and movie. 99 00:04:34,864 --> 00:04:36,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is huge. Like that's a huge night for 100 00:04:37,064 --> 00:04:39,344 Speaker 1: someone who up until recently wasn't getting in the last 101 00:04:39,344 --> 00:04:42,424 Speaker 1: few years, wasn't getting nominated for any of her acting roles. 102 00:04:42,584 --> 00:04:44,264 Speaker 1: So I just feel a bit bad for her that 103 00:04:44,304 --> 00:04:46,144 Speaker 1: this what should have been the biggest night of Slena 104 00:04:46,144 --> 00:04:49,184 Speaker 1: Gomez's career was kind of derailed. But we've got a 105 00:04:49,184 --> 00:04:49,944 Speaker 1: bit of time tool the. 106 00:04:50,024 --> 00:04:52,664 Speaker 2: Wait till I see it and beyond it's a Waverley place. 107 00:04:52,704 --> 00:04:57,464 Speaker 1: Have you watched that? I definitely, She's so good. Okay, 108 00:04:57,464 --> 00:04:59,664 Speaker 1: now we need to get into the big categories because 109 00:04:59,704 --> 00:05:02,344 Speaker 1: I've got to say, in all my years in entertainment journalism, 110 00:05:02,384 --> 00:05:05,224 Speaker 1: I feel like this is the most stacked year I've seen, 111 00:05:05,304 --> 00:05:08,784 Speaker 1: but in different categories. So what's interesting here is that 112 00:05:08,984 --> 00:05:11,664 Speaker 1: Best Drama in the movie v section is usually like 113 00:05:11,744 --> 00:05:14,744 Speaker 1: the really big hot contender because even though the people 114 00:05:14,744 --> 00:05:17,744 Speaker 1: who vote in Golden Globes are not the biggest crossover 115 00:05:17,784 --> 00:05:20,064 Speaker 1: the people who vote in the Academy Awards, it can 116 00:05:20,144 --> 00:05:22,824 Speaker 1: because it's a Hollywood foreign press that do the Golden Globes. 117 00:05:22,984 --> 00:05:25,064 Speaker 1: Remember a few years ago when they got canceled, Yes, 118 00:05:26,544 --> 00:05:29,264 Speaker 1: because it came out that the Hollywood Foreign Press had 119 00:05:29,304 --> 00:05:31,984 Speaker 1: no diversity. There were also no like checks and balances 120 00:05:31,984 --> 00:05:34,544 Speaker 1: of how they were giving out nominations like. 121 00:05:34,464 --> 00:05:35,624 Speaker 3: A group of gold white men. 122 00:05:35,744 --> 00:05:38,304 Speaker 1: Pretty much. Yeah, in Netflix from Emily and Paris flew 123 00:05:38,304 --> 00:05:40,104 Speaker 1: them all to Paris for a junken So Emily and 124 00:05:40,144 --> 00:05:42,504 Speaker 1: Paris got nominated and it was a whole big thing. 125 00:05:42,584 --> 00:05:44,304 Speaker 1: And there's lots of other stuff behind the scenes that 126 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:46,624 Speaker 1: was actually quite serious. So I added some allegations about 127 00:05:46,664 --> 00:05:49,344 Speaker 1: like sexual misconduct about one of the heads of the 128 00:05:49,544 --> 00:05:52,344 Speaker 1: of the Hollywood Foreign Press. There were allegations about bullying 129 00:05:52,384 --> 00:05:53,984 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, like it was quite a serious thing, 130 00:05:54,344 --> 00:05:56,344 Speaker 1: and so they kind of got canceled for a while, 131 00:05:56,424 --> 00:06:00,104 Speaker 1: and some people like Tom Cruise really took it seriously 132 00:06:00,144 --> 00:06:02,344 Speaker 1: and returned to their golden globes in protests. 133 00:06:02,864 --> 00:06:04,464 Speaker 3: He has a lot, He's fine. 134 00:06:04,624 --> 00:06:06,464 Speaker 1: He was like, take these backs, and everyone's like, we 135 00:06:06,504 --> 00:06:08,944 Speaker 1: actually forgot you had those. That's fine. And then they 136 00:06:09,064 --> 00:06:11,944 Speaker 1: brought new people in and they pologized and it just 137 00:06:12,024 --> 00:06:13,824 Speaker 1: kind of all went away, and I'll just watch time. 138 00:06:13,744 --> 00:06:15,344 Speaker 2: That doesn't happen because like every time the goal and 139 00:06:15,344 --> 00:06:17,784 Speaker 2: globes comes, like the celebrities are like, oh, we still 140 00:06:17,784 --> 00:06:18,104 Speaker 2: wont our. 141 00:06:18,064 --> 00:06:20,584 Speaker 1: Awards, so let's just yeah, it's somehow it had just 142 00:06:20,664 --> 00:06:23,064 Speaker 1: over the years just become one of the biggest award shows. 143 00:06:23,104 --> 00:06:26,384 Speaker 1: It's also the only really big televised award show where 144 00:06:26,424 --> 00:06:28,584 Speaker 1: you have film and TV people in the same room, 145 00:06:28,584 --> 00:06:30,904 Speaker 1: which always makes it huge, and also one of the 146 00:06:30,944 --> 00:06:33,824 Speaker 1: few shows where they serve alcohol throughout the night. Yeah, 147 00:06:33,944 --> 00:06:37,144 Speaker 1: gets a bit loose, So anyway, drama category this is 148 00:06:37,144 --> 00:06:39,464 Speaker 1: the year. I don't feel like it's that stacked. There 149 00:06:39,464 --> 00:06:42,344 Speaker 1: are some good things in here. The Brutalist are Complete Unknown, 150 00:06:42,864 --> 00:06:45,984 Speaker 1: June Part two, Nickel Boys, and September five. 151 00:06:46,464 --> 00:06:47,624 Speaker 3: I've only watched one of those. 152 00:06:48,304 --> 00:06:50,384 Speaker 1: Normally it's the other way around. Whereas when you come 153 00:06:50,424 --> 00:06:52,464 Speaker 1: into the musical or comedy section. 154 00:06:52,344 --> 00:06:55,984 Speaker 2: Which I still feel like is such a weird like combo. Yeah, 155 00:06:56,064 --> 00:06:57,424 Speaker 2: musical and comedy. 156 00:06:57,304 --> 00:07:00,344 Speaker 1: Some of these could definitely be in drama. But sometimes 157 00:07:00,384 --> 00:07:01,344 Speaker 1: the thing is it's hard. 158 00:07:01,184 --> 00:07:02,104 Speaker 3: To better, isn't it? 159 00:07:02,424 --> 00:07:05,464 Speaker 1: No movie TV movies? So the hard thing is that 160 00:07:05,504 --> 00:07:08,464 Speaker 1: sometimes people think that if they go into the musical 161 00:07:08,544 --> 00:07:10,984 Speaker 1: or comedy category, if their movie could be in drama, 162 00:07:11,184 --> 00:07:14,024 Speaker 1: they might have more chance of winning. So sometimes they 163 00:07:14,064 --> 00:07:15,744 Speaker 1: skew that way. But I think a lot of people 164 00:07:15,784 --> 00:07:18,744 Speaker 1: who did that this year might be kicking themselves today 165 00:07:18,784 --> 00:07:19,864 Speaker 1: because this category. 166 00:07:20,064 --> 00:07:20,824 Speaker 3: Everyone did it. 167 00:07:20,984 --> 00:07:25,144 Speaker 1: This category is so stacked. Anura so good. Oh, we'll 168 00:07:25,144 --> 00:07:25,864 Speaker 1: talk about it later. 169 00:07:26,024 --> 00:07:27,784 Speaker 2: I think it might be one of my favorite movies 170 00:07:27,824 --> 00:07:28,104 Speaker 2: this year. 171 00:07:28,184 --> 00:07:30,344 Speaker 1: I have never seen you react in movie like that. Guys, 172 00:07:30,384 --> 00:07:31,944 Speaker 1: if you don't worry, this movie's coming, we're going to 173 00:07:31,984 --> 00:07:33,584 Speaker 1: talk about it more. But let's just say it lives 174 00:07:33,624 --> 00:07:36,824 Speaker 1: up to the height challenges so good. I think there's 175 00:07:36,824 --> 00:07:38,624 Speaker 1: a while ago, but like that was a that's a 176 00:07:38,624 --> 00:07:39,224 Speaker 1: pivotal movie. 177 00:07:39,384 --> 00:07:42,304 Speaker 3: Still listened to the playlist. Oh you really, it's like Dumbstep. 178 00:07:42,384 --> 00:07:45,024 Speaker 1: That's great Amelia Perez, as we've said, yeah, be contender 179 00:07:45,064 --> 00:07:47,464 Speaker 1: of the Year. A Real Pain, which is still kind 180 00:07:47,464 --> 00:07:49,384 Speaker 1: of working to come out, but has a really stacked 181 00:07:49,384 --> 00:07:51,944 Speaker 1: cast with Karen Colkin and Jesse Eisenberg, and there's been 182 00:07:51,944 --> 00:07:54,944 Speaker 1: a lot of hype around that. The substance Oh Demi 183 00:07:55,024 --> 00:07:57,424 Speaker 1: Moore and Margaret Polly like that has been one of 184 00:07:57,424 --> 00:08:00,624 Speaker 1: the big hits of this year. And then Wicked wickeds 185 00:08:00,664 --> 00:08:03,744 Speaker 1: in there because Wicked made the cutoff dates Stance in there. 186 00:08:03,984 --> 00:08:06,304 Speaker 2: What do you mean why is that in musical comedy? 187 00:08:06,344 --> 00:08:08,144 Speaker 1: Because it's parts of it of comedy, Like it's an 188 00:08:08,144 --> 00:08:11,624 Speaker 1: absurd ast body horror that's also a have a scary 189 00:08:12,144 --> 00:08:13,504 Speaker 1: I know, this is what I'm saying. You could nearly 190 00:08:13,544 --> 00:08:14,304 Speaker 1: go in either one. 191 00:08:14,344 --> 00:08:17,104 Speaker 2: It's like they crack one little joke and they're like comedy. 192 00:08:17,104 --> 00:08:19,104 Speaker 1: Well yeah, exactly, at least at the Oscars, you just 193 00:08:19,104 --> 00:08:20,144 Speaker 1: have it, like you can't. 194 00:08:19,944 --> 00:08:22,744 Speaker 2: Even compare Substance to Wicked, Like that doesn't even seem 195 00:08:22,744 --> 00:08:23,784 Speaker 2: like a fair comparison. 196 00:08:23,864 --> 00:08:25,784 Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing too, is that, like it's like, 197 00:08:25,824 --> 00:08:28,224 Speaker 1: how do you compare the substance to Wicked because there's 198 00:08:28,224 --> 00:08:30,104 Speaker 1: such different things. I guess this is what award shows 199 00:08:30,104 --> 00:08:32,584 Speaker 1: are why they don't mean that much. But also as 200 00:08:32,664 --> 00:08:35,384 Speaker 1: much as I just absolutely love Wicked, And as we 201 00:08:35,424 --> 00:08:37,904 Speaker 1: go through the categories, we talk about this more. Wicked 202 00:08:37,984 --> 00:08:39,944 Speaker 1: Part two is coming out next year, so they have 203 00:08:40,024 --> 00:08:43,944 Speaker 1: another big shot at the whole awards ceremony system, whereas 204 00:08:43,944 --> 00:08:46,624 Speaker 1: this is a Nora's only year, So I feel like 205 00:08:46,704 --> 00:08:48,544 Speaker 1: it's just going to be hard to watch Nora maybe 206 00:08:48,544 --> 00:08:50,304 Speaker 1: get kicked out of a few categories. I want to 207 00:08:50,344 --> 00:08:53,704 Speaker 1: Nora to win so because of Wicked, No I do too. Okay, Well, 208 00:08:53,824 --> 00:08:56,384 Speaker 1: speaking of that Best Performance by Female Actor in a 209 00:08:56,424 --> 00:08:59,824 Speaker 1: Motion Picture Drama, this is also a very stacked category. 210 00:08:59,904 --> 00:09:02,704 Speaker 1: Look at this, Pamela Anderson, the Last show Girl. I 211 00:09:02,744 --> 00:09:05,984 Speaker 1: love that she's having this big acting comeback. Angelina Jolly 212 00:09:06,104 --> 00:09:08,904 Speaker 1: for Maria, which is again her big comeback movie too, 213 00:09:09,464 --> 00:09:14,424 Speaker 1: sixteen minutes Standing Amation, Nicole Kidman, Baby Girl, Baby Girl Anywhere. Yeah, 214 00:09:14,464 --> 00:09:15,904 Speaker 1: but they got we're going to be seeing it so 215 00:09:16,064 --> 00:09:17,504 Speaker 1: we're seeing that together soon next week. 216 00:09:17,504 --> 00:09:20,384 Speaker 2: A little sex golden globes glasses are ye. 217 00:09:20,904 --> 00:09:23,944 Speaker 1: Watching her performance. That really goes to show how big 218 00:09:23,944 --> 00:09:26,464 Speaker 1: the hype around this movie is. Because Baby Girl's not 219 00:09:26,584 --> 00:09:29,384 Speaker 1: out anywhere yet. So but the critics have obviously gone 220 00:09:29,384 --> 00:09:31,304 Speaker 1: to the film festivals and seen it, and they've got screeners. 221 00:09:31,384 --> 00:09:32,784 Speaker 3: I think I've watched our trailer five times. 222 00:09:32,824 --> 00:09:35,264 Speaker 1: We're seeing an early screen next week. Is it's also important? 223 00:09:35,464 --> 00:09:39,704 Speaker 1: Tilda Swinton the room next door, Fernanda Torrez, I'm still here. 224 00:09:40,064 --> 00:09:41,704 Speaker 1: That's that's going to be an amazing movie as well. 225 00:09:41,704 --> 00:09:44,064 Speaker 1: And then Kate wins it for Lee. So you've got Angelina, 226 00:09:44,224 --> 00:09:47,984 Speaker 1: Nicole and Kate and Tilda and came all in the 227 00:09:47,984 --> 00:09:51,264 Speaker 1: same that that section of the room is going to 228 00:09:51,344 --> 00:09:51,984 Speaker 1: be iconic. 229 00:09:52,144 --> 00:09:53,824 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm scared for them. 230 00:09:53,984 --> 00:09:56,304 Speaker 1: And then a male actor in a motion picture, it 231 00:09:56,384 --> 00:09:59,104 Speaker 1: just gets more intense. You've got Adrian Brody for the Brewless, 232 00:09:59,264 --> 00:10:02,544 Speaker 1: Timothy challow May for a complete unknown. I think this 233 00:10:02,664 --> 00:10:05,144 Speaker 1: potentially might be his year reckon, Yeah, maybe. 234 00:10:05,264 --> 00:10:06,384 Speaker 2: Do you think he's gonna be Kylie? 235 00:10:07,504 --> 00:10:09,864 Speaker 1: He probably will her last time, that's all theybe. 236 00:10:09,864 --> 00:10:11,384 Speaker 3: They'll do the car, but this time I'm not just 237 00:10:11,424 --> 00:10:11,904 Speaker 3: sneaking of it. 238 00:10:12,224 --> 00:10:14,504 Speaker 1: Maybe because this is going to be like his Big Nine. 239 00:10:14,584 --> 00:10:17,144 Speaker 1: Then you've got Daniel Craig for Queer, Common Domingo for 240 00:10:17,184 --> 00:10:21,104 Speaker 1: Sing Sing, or maybe Coleman No the Golden Globes, because 241 00:10:21,104 --> 00:10:22,784 Speaker 1: they're just a bunch of fanboys at the end of 242 00:10:22,824 --> 00:10:25,224 Speaker 1: the day who like to be around celebrities, because they 243 00:10:25,264 --> 00:10:28,824 Speaker 1: notoriously sometimes invite big celebrities who have had shitty movies. 244 00:10:29,464 --> 00:10:31,024 Speaker 1: Not so much this year. This year, these are all 245 00:10:31,064 --> 00:10:33,464 Speaker 1: good movies, but sometimes in the past they have invited 246 00:10:33,504 --> 00:10:35,224 Speaker 1: people who even the actors were like, that was a 247 00:10:35,224 --> 00:10:37,264 Speaker 1: bad movie, but they just want to hang out, like 248 00:10:37,304 --> 00:10:39,824 Speaker 1: Angelina and Jolly and Johnny Depp from The Tourist. Everyone 249 00:10:39,864 --> 00:10:41,184 Speaker 1: agreed that was a bad movie. 250 00:10:40,984 --> 00:10:42,504 Speaker 2: Even though I watched it ten times. 251 00:10:43,024 --> 00:10:45,264 Speaker 1: They just wanted them to be there for the start Power. 252 00:10:45,344 --> 00:10:45,744 Speaker 1: That's fair. 253 00:10:46,024 --> 00:10:47,064 Speaker 3: I would do the exact same thing. 254 00:10:47,144 --> 00:10:50,224 Speaker 1: And then Sebastian stands for The Apprentice where he plays 255 00:10:50,264 --> 00:10:52,944 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. So that has been a very contentious movie. 256 00:10:52,984 --> 00:10:55,464 Speaker 1: So a lot of Hollywood has been kind of stepping 257 00:10:55,464 --> 00:10:58,344 Speaker 1: away from that movie recently, really because they're worried about 258 00:10:58,344 --> 00:11:00,864 Speaker 1: like the backlash from Donald Trump. So at least the 259 00:11:00,864 --> 00:11:02,624 Speaker 1: Golden Globes just were like, nut, We're not doing that. 260 00:11:03,264 --> 00:11:06,064 Speaker 1: And then we come to this most stacked category I 261 00:11:06,064 --> 00:11:09,664 Speaker 1: think I've ever seen in an Awards ceremony category. It 262 00:11:09,744 --> 00:11:12,464 Speaker 1: is the best performance by a Female Actor in Emotion, Picture, 263 00:11:12,664 --> 00:11:16,224 Speaker 1: Musical or Comedy. Oh God, we have Amy Adams for 264 00:11:16,344 --> 00:11:16,784 Speaker 1: Night Bitch. 265 00:11:16,904 --> 00:11:18,904 Speaker 3: Oh God, so good. She deserves to win. 266 00:11:19,024 --> 00:11:23,224 Speaker 1: Any other year I would say that Amy Adams like 267 00:11:23,384 --> 00:11:25,584 Speaker 1: this was her moment. She's been nominated for so many 268 00:11:25,584 --> 00:11:28,504 Speaker 1: Academy Awards over the year. She's never won. She's one 269 00:11:28,504 --> 00:11:30,464 Speaker 1: a few other awards, but she's one of those actresses's 270 00:11:30,464 --> 00:11:33,904 Speaker 1: constantly nominated Night Bitch, which is such I mean, I've 271 00:11:33,944 --> 00:11:37,664 Speaker 1: complicated feelings at that movie, but she is phenomenal in it, 272 00:11:37,744 --> 00:11:41,744 Speaker 1: and her performance is just like, it's unlike anything I've 273 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:44,944 Speaker 1: seen before in a movie. It's really a riveting performance 274 00:11:44,984 --> 00:11:47,464 Speaker 1: and it's very bold and tense, and I just think 275 00:11:47,504 --> 00:11:49,784 Speaker 1: any other year Night Bitch would just be at the 276 00:11:49,864 --> 00:11:52,184 Speaker 1: shoeing role for her to win. But then she's up 277 00:11:52,224 --> 00:11:53,984 Speaker 1: against Cynthia Arrivo for Wicked. 278 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:57,064 Speaker 2: No, she deserves to win exactly. 279 00:11:57,144 --> 00:11:58,704 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not even down the rest of the 280 00:11:58,744 --> 00:12:02,784 Speaker 1: list yet. Carlos, Sophia Gascon for Amelia Perez, who apparently 281 00:12:02,864 --> 00:12:05,224 Speaker 1: she's incredible in that and that's the most nominated movie. 282 00:12:05,544 --> 00:12:06,944 Speaker 1: Mikey Madison for a Nora. 283 00:12:07,224 --> 00:12:08,424 Speaker 3: Oh, she deserves to win. 284 00:12:09,784 --> 00:12:12,744 Speaker 1: It's really hard to go past Mikey Madison, right like that. 285 00:12:14,984 --> 00:12:16,464 Speaker 3: Surely they all get it gets worse. 286 00:12:16,504 --> 00:12:17,944 Speaker 1: Emily need to do. 287 00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:19,744 Speaker 2: The mean girls things where they break the crowd and 288 00:12:19,784 --> 00:12:22,584 Speaker 2: then throw them. Have to do that. 289 00:12:22,624 --> 00:12:24,704 Speaker 1: Each of these women deserves the Golden Globe. Sorry, this 290 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:30,184 Speaker 1: is a distress. I'm not at the end of the list. 291 00:12:30,184 --> 00:12:35,664 Speaker 1: Emily to mean more for the substance she win. This 292 00:12:35,824 --> 00:12:37,304 Speaker 1: was meant to be her year two. This is her 293 00:12:37,344 --> 00:12:39,584 Speaker 1: big comeback. This is her moment. She's getting an oscar 294 00:12:39,704 --> 00:12:46,464 Speaker 1: Nation and then Zendaya for Challenges. She deserves to win. Well, look, no, 295 00:12:46,944 --> 00:12:48,864 Speaker 1: I think Day was great in Challenges. I think she 296 00:12:48,904 --> 00:12:51,744 Speaker 1: deserves to be nominated. Any other year maybe, but I 297 00:12:51,784 --> 00:12:56,264 Speaker 1: just think this year it's Amy Adam, Cynthia Rivore or 298 00:12:56,384 --> 00:12:57,184 Speaker 1: Mikey Madison. 299 00:12:57,264 --> 00:12:57,944 Speaker 3: What's gonna go? 300 00:12:58,744 --> 00:13:00,864 Speaker 1: I always want to say Mikey Madison. I want her. 301 00:13:00,904 --> 00:13:03,184 Speaker 2: She's going to be quite emotional and we're recording a 302 00:13:03,184 --> 00:13:04,064 Speaker 2: podcast that day. 303 00:13:04,704 --> 00:13:06,264 Speaker 1: I'm going to lose my mind that day I'm going 304 00:13:06,304 --> 00:13:08,424 Speaker 1: to be I'm gonna need like some sort of medical intervention. 305 00:13:08,864 --> 00:13:10,784 Speaker 1: The only thing that kind of stops me from saying 306 00:13:10,824 --> 00:13:13,584 Speaker 1: Cynthia Arriva at the top is that again Wicked Part 307 00:13:13,584 --> 00:13:15,384 Speaker 1: two is coming, and it's kind of like one day 308 00:13:15,424 --> 00:13:18,584 Speaker 1: fulfilmed at one time. It's one big performance, a lot 309 00:13:18,624 --> 00:13:19,304 Speaker 1: of alphabet. 310 00:13:19,424 --> 00:13:21,864 Speaker 2: Then what if this happens again next year, which I mean, 311 00:13:22,024 --> 00:13:23,664 Speaker 2: if we want a good award show, that's what we 312 00:13:23,664 --> 00:13:24,344 Speaker 2: should hope for. 313 00:13:24,744 --> 00:13:27,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It is fun to be this invested. I 314 00:13:27,024 --> 00:13:29,384 Speaker 1: haven't been this invested for years. Male actor in a 315 00:13:29,424 --> 00:13:33,384 Speaker 1: Motion Picture of Musical Comedy and Jesse Eisenberg real pain. 316 00:13:33,624 --> 00:13:34,784 Speaker 1: I can't wait here. 317 00:13:35,224 --> 00:13:38,504 Speaker 2: Ah, so good in that even though I scared sh 318 00:13:38,664 --> 00:13:40,984 Speaker 2: less Well, this might be his year too. 319 00:13:41,024 --> 00:13:44,504 Speaker 1: He'll be so angry if he wins say something mean 320 00:13:44,544 --> 00:13:48,184 Speaker 1: about Colin Firm. Actually I love that Gabriela Bell for 321 00:13:48,184 --> 00:13:50,424 Speaker 1: Saturday Night. Yeah, he was going, Oh my god, Jesse 322 00:13:50,544 --> 00:13:53,624 Speaker 1: Plemon's kinds of kindness that. 323 00:13:55,584 --> 00:13:55,824 Speaker 2: Man. 324 00:13:55,984 --> 00:13:59,104 Speaker 1: Give that man a golden globe. I don't and hug 325 00:13:58,424 --> 00:14:00,744 Speaker 1: he went through a lot. Also, this is a bit 326 00:14:00,744 --> 00:14:03,584 Speaker 1: of a plot twist. I love the Golden globes, Glenn Power, hitman, 327 00:14:05,864 --> 00:14:09,144 Speaker 1: He's not winning. Look, it was a fun movie. 328 00:14:09,624 --> 00:14:11,064 Speaker 2: Is that one of yours amples of they just want 329 00:14:11,064 --> 00:14:13,104 Speaker 2: to be around celebrity man because. 330 00:14:15,504 --> 00:14:17,944 Speaker 1: It's the comedy musical section. That's a comedy. It is. 331 00:14:18,064 --> 00:14:18,704 Speaker 3: I'll give them that. 332 00:14:18,784 --> 00:14:22,944 Speaker 1: It's comedy. Kinds of kindness that is not a comedy. 333 00:14:23,344 --> 00:14:30,064 Speaker 2: If we're putting Jesse Plants against Glen Pow, that's I 334 00:14:30,144 --> 00:14:32,224 Speaker 2: just know Glenn Power would be like, come on. 335 00:14:35,544 --> 00:14:37,984 Speaker 1: Oh my god. And then Sebastians stand for a different man, 336 00:14:38,024 --> 00:14:39,304 Speaker 1: which I don't have time to into that as the 337 00:14:39,344 --> 00:14:43,544 Speaker 1: backtery of a different man. But what's he doing? He 338 00:14:43,624 --> 00:14:46,184 Speaker 1: is confused? Okay. And then the last and this is 339 00:14:46,184 --> 00:14:48,624 Speaker 1: going to really tip you over the edge. Best performance 340 00:14:48,664 --> 00:14:51,104 Speaker 1: by female actor and supporting role in any motion pictures. 341 00:14:51,104 --> 00:14:54,464 Speaker 1: So this is all in together. Selena Gomez merely prayers 342 00:14:54,544 --> 00:14:57,584 Speaker 1: a grande Wicked. A lot of people have been saying, 343 00:14:57,584 --> 00:15:00,544 Speaker 1: how Ariana and Cynthia in different categories, and I will 344 00:15:00,624 --> 00:15:02,704 Speaker 1: just say to that that alpha but has sort of 345 00:15:02,704 --> 00:15:05,184 Speaker 1: been considered over the years the lead role. But the 346 00:15:05,224 --> 00:15:08,064 Speaker 1: other thing is that history tells us that in any 347 00:15:08,104 --> 00:15:10,544 Speaker 1: awards show, if you put two actors or actresses from 348 00:15:10,584 --> 00:15:12,784 Speaker 1: the same movie the same category, they do tend to 349 00:15:12,824 --> 00:15:14,984 Speaker 1: cancel each other out because they split the vote between 350 00:15:15,064 --> 00:15:17,464 Speaker 1: fans of the movie, So the best way to do 351 00:15:17,504 --> 00:15:21,744 Speaker 1: it normally is to put them in different categories, And fairly. 352 00:15:21,384 --> 00:15:23,384 Speaker 2: Happened with Succession, right because they all wanted to be 353 00:15:23,464 --> 00:15:25,824 Speaker 2: nominated as lead actor, so they all went for lead. 354 00:15:25,744 --> 00:15:27,424 Speaker 1: Yes, and it happened in a few big movies over 355 00:15:27,424 --> 00:15:29,304 Speaker 1: the years as well. In saying that though the Amrei 356 00:15:29,424 --> 00:15:31,984 Speaker 1: Perez crew has done that because Selena Goromes and Zowis 357 00:15:31,984 --> 00:15:34,864 Speaker 1: Heldana are both in this category, which means I'll potentially 358 00:15:34,944 --> 00:15:37,904 Speaker 1: cancel each other out. Then you also have Isabella Rossolini 359 00:15:37,944 --> 00:15:40,544 Speaker 1: for Conclave, Felicicy Jones for the Brullist. I mean, normally 360 00:15:40,584 --> 00:15:42,344 Speaker 1: Felicity Jones would also be a shoe in, but I 361 00:15:42,384 --> 00:15:43,864 Speaker 1: was like, I just cannot handle you at this moment, 362 00:15:44,184 --> 00:15:46,864 Speaker 1: and then Margaret Caley for the Substance, which in any 363 00:15:46,864 --> 00:15:48,824 Speaker 1: other year I would say that she would probably be 364 00:15:48,864 --> 00:15:53,104 Speaker 1: a shoe in TV, but TV isn't intense this year. 365 00:15:53,144 --> 00:15:56,344 Speaker 1: So the big shows Baby Reindeer, Nobody wants this is 366 00:15:56,384 --> 00:15:59,144 Speaker 1: in there, and also Monsters the Lyle and Eric Menander's 367 00:15:59,144 --> 00:16:02,184 Speaker 1: story and yeah, well, I mean I think they always 368 00:16:02,224 --> 00:16:04,224 Speaker 1: vote for that. People sort of say, yes, the story 369 00:16:04,304 --> 00:16:07,384 Speaker 1: is bad, but they still vote for the people involved. 370 00:16:07,424 --> 00:16:09,224 Speaker 1: And then the Diplomat and that's going to be like 371 00:16:09,264 --> 00:16:11,784 Speaker 1: a big kind of thing. Again, it's the female actor 372 00:16:11,824 --> 00:16:14,384 Speaker 1: section because you've got Maya Erskin from Mister and Missus Smith, 373 00:16:14,384 --> 00:16:17,064 Speaker 1: which you care about, Kerrie Russell for the Diplomat, and 374 00:16:17,184 --> 00:16:22,104 Speaker 1: a Star Away from Shogun this whole segment, Emma Darcy 375 00:16:22,184 --> 00:16:26,304 Speaker 1: from the Dragon. Yeah, it's such a stacked a dragon. 376 00:16:26,424 --> 00:16:26,984 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 377 00:16:27,064 --> 00:16:29,904 Speaker 1: And then when you're getting into leads TV, I mean 378 00:16:29,984 --> 00:16:32,064 Speaker 1: it's actually good that the thing is also you look 379 00:16:32,064 --> 00:16:34,984 Speaker 1: at the female actor the lead actor section, it's Kristen 380 00:16:35,024 --> 00:16:38,824 Speaker 1: bell Iow Debris, Selena Grober, has Catherine Hahnt or maybe 381 00:16:38,864 --> 00:16:42,504 Speaker 1: Katherine Hant, but also Jean Smart for Hacks. Oh guys, guys, 382 00:16:42,544 --> 00:16:44,224 Speaker 1: I says a lot. Okay, we can't even go through 383 00:16:44,224 --> 00:16:45,144 Speaker 1: all the TV because. 384 00:16:45,224 --> 00:16:48,384 Speaker 2: I will say is if Donald Glover wins for Mister 385 00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:50,744 Speaker 2: and Missus Smith and he turns up but canceled his 386 00:16:50,824 --> 00:16:52,464 Speaker 2: show in Australia, I will be mad. 387 00:16:52,504 --> 00:16:54,264 Speaker 1: You will be upset about that. Well, if you're this 388 00:16:54,424 --> 00:16:57,024 Speaker 1: segment was hectic and emotional. Just buckle up for the 389 00:16:57,064 --> 00:16:59,144 Speaker 1: sixth of January because that is when the Golden Globes 390 00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:02,104 Speaker 1: are taking place in Australia and that isn't in the 391 00:17:02,144 --> 00:17:04,744 Speaker 1: midst of our Hot Pod summer series. But never fear, 392 00:17:04,784 --> 00:17:07,384 Speaker 1: we will be on the mics recording a special Golden 393 00:17:07,424 --> 00:17:09,824 Speaker 1: Globe episode of the Spill that day and also the 394 00:17:09,864 --> 00:17:11,704 Speaker 1: next day we can get all the after party of 395 00:17:11,744 --> 00:17:16,584 Speaker 1: a Backlash and oh need to be sedated. I I'm 396 00:17:16,664 --> 00:17:17,704 Speaker 1: like stressed already. 397 00:17:18,184 --> 00:17:20,464 Speaker 2: Technically we're still on holidays, so we could just have 398 00:17:20,504 --> 00:17:21,784 Speaker 2: a little drinkie or two. 399 00:17:21,904 --> 00:17:23,424 Speaker 1: Oh we yes, we definitely could. 400 00:17:23,464 --> 00:17:24,704 Speaker 3: The celebrities are it's what the. 401 00:17:24,624 --> 00:17:26,504 Speaker 1: Golden Globes WU want for us to be drunk during 402 00:17:26,504 --> 00:17:28,144 Speaker 1: that pod. And if you want to read the full 403 00:17:28,184 --> 00:17:30,984 Speaker 1: nominations list, we will link an article in our show notes. 404 00:17:32,944 --> 00:17:36,144 Speaker 2: So you definitely would have seen this across your social 405 00:17:36,304 --> 00:17:37,104 Speaker 2: media feeds. 406 00:17:37,344 --> 00:17:37,904 Speaker 1: Some news. 407 00:17:38,024 --> 00:17:39,104 Speaker 3: Jay Z has. 408 00:17:39,024 --> 00:17:43,584 Speaker 2: Become entangled in a lawsuit involving Sean Diddy Combs, who 409 00:17:43,624 --> 00:17:47,384 Speaker 2: we've talked about before. He faces multiple allegations of sexual 410 00:17:47,384 --> 00:17:51,744 Speaker 2: assault and abuse. Recently, an amended civil lawsuit alleged that 411 00:17:51,824 --> 00:17:54,944 Speaker 2: both jay Z and Combs raped a thirteen year old 412 00:17:54,944 --> 00:17:58,424 Speaker 2: girl at the MTV Music Awards after party in the 413 00:17:58,544 --> 00:18:02,024 Speaker 2: year two thousand. So before this, we knew of the 414 00:18:02,344 --> 00:18:06,744 Speaker 2: alleged event, but the celebrity wasn't named until now. In 415 00:18:06,784 --> 00:18:09,584 Speaker 2: the lawsuit, it says a friends dropped the girl off 416 00:18:09,624 --> 00:18:13,064 Speaker 2: at the VMA A Road City Music Hall. She didn't 417 00:18:13,064 --> 00:18:16,064 Speaker 2: have a ticket, and so she approached various limousine drivers 418 00:18:16,064 --> 00:18:17,944 Speaker 2: trying to gain access to the show or to an 419 00:18:17,984 --> 00:18:20,904 Speaker 2: after party. The lawsuit said a driver told her that 420 00:18:20,984 --> 00:18:23,944 Speaker 2: he worked for Combs and that she quote fit what 421 00:18:23,984 --> 00:18:27,064 Speaker 2: Diddy was looking for. When she got to the party, 422 00:18:27,144 --> 00:18:29,144 Speaker 2: she alleged that she had to sign a document she 423 00:18:29,184 --> 00:18:32,104 Speaker 2: believed was a non disclosure agreement on arrival to enter 424 00:18:32,144 --> 00:18:35,384 Speaker 2: the party, which was filled with celebrities and people doing 425 00:18:35,424 --> 00:18:37,864 Speaker 2: marijuana and cocaine. She was off in a dream that 426 00:18:37,904 --> 00:18:40,824 Speaker 2: made her feel quote woozy, lightheaded and felt like she 427 00:18:40,904 --> 00:18:43,624 Speaker 2: needed to lie down, which she did. And I feel 428 00:18:43,704 --> 00:18:47,584 Speaker 2: like those words woozy, lightheaded is the same kind of 429 00:18:47,584 --> 00:18:50,584 Speaker 2: descriptive words we heard from a lot of the alleged victims. 430 00:18:50,784 --> 00:18:50,944 Speaker 1: Yes. 431 00:18:51,344 --> 00:18:54,864 Speaker 2: Shortly afterwards, the suit said, Combs and Jay Z entered 432 00:18:54,904 --> 00:18:58,384 Speaker 2: the room. Combs said, quote, you are ready to party. 433 00:18:59,024 --> 00:19:02,024 Speaker 2: She then alleged that jay Z removed her clothes, held 434 00:19:02,024 --> 00:19:04,544 Speaker 2: her down, and raped her while Combs and an unnamed 435 00:19:04,544 --> 00:19:08,384 Speaker 2: female celebrity watched. She alleged that Combs also raped her 436 00:19:08,424 --> 00:19:10,624 Speaker 2: as jay Z and the same woman watched on. 437 00:19:11,504 --> 00:19:13,464 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean those as such. I mean, I know 438 00:19:13,504 --> 00:19:15,544 Speaker 1: that everything to do with this case have been really 439 00:19:15,544 --> 00:19:18,504 Speaker 1: brutal and disturbing allegations. But it's like every time you 440 00:19:18,624 --> 00:19:22,504 Speaker 1: hear more information from this lawsuit and more information from 441 00:19:22,504 --> 00:19:24,904 Speaker 1: these victims and what they allege happen to them, it 442 00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:27,024 Speaker 1: just like it hits you with the same like sickness 443 00:19:27,024 --> 00:19:27,464 Speaker 1: every time. 444 00:19:27,504 --> 00:19:31,504 Speaker 2: I'm horrible. Jay Z has denied allegations in a statement 445 00:19:31,544 --> 00:19:34,264 Speaker 2: made by his team, claiming that they are baseless attempts 446 00:19:34,264 --> 00:19:36,704 Speaker 2: at extortion. He has called for the case to be 447 00:19:36,744 --> 00:19:40,984 Speaker 2: criminally investigated if credible evidence exists. This all came out yesterday. 448 00:19:41,064 --> 00:19:44,104 Speaker 2: In that same statement, jay Z also mentioned Tony Busby, 449 00:19:44,104 --> 00:19:46,424 Speaker 2: who we've talked about before. He's the lawyer representing the 450 00:19:46,464 --> 00:19:49,144 Speaker 2: anonymous accuser, as well as others who have claims against 451 00:19:49,144 --> 00:19:52,304 Speaker 2: Sean Comb's and in the statement, jay Z called the 452 00:19:52,344 --> 00:19:55,904 Speaker 2: allegations heinous and accused Busby of attempting to extort a 453 00:19:55,944 --> 00:19:59,664 Speaker 2: significant sum of money. Jay z lawyers also suggested that 454 00:19:59,664 --> 00:20:03,024 Speaker 2: Busby was involved in a scheme to exploit such accusations 455 00:20:03,024 --> 00:20:05,664 Speaker 2: for financial gain, labeling his actions as part of a 456 00:20:05,744 --> 00:20:10,904 Speaker 2: quote blackmail attempt. Then Busby fired back, refuting jay Z's 457 00:20:10,904 --> 00:20:13,304 Speaker 2: claims of extortion. He said that his client did not 458 00:20:13,384 --> 00:20:17,224 Speaker 2: demand money, but sought a confidential mediation. He says jay 459 00:20:17,304 --> 00:20:19,664 Speaker 2: Z is now suing him, but called the lawsuit a 460 00:20:19,744 --> 00:20:22,584 Speaker 2: tactic to prevent him from revealing names and other public 461 00:20:22,704 --> 00:20:26,224 Speaker 2: legal matters. So it's a lot of back and forth. 462 00:20:26,384 --> 00:20:29,304 Speaker 2: And this isn't like the first time that we've heard 463 00:20:29,344 --> 00:20:32,664 Speaker 2: Beyonces and jay Z's names entangled in this. They have 464 00:20:32,824 --> 00:20:35,744 Speaker 2: been from the beginning, just due to their really close 465 00:20:35,784 --> 00:20:39,264 Speaker 2: professional relationship with Sean Combs. But I think we talked 466 00:20:39,304 --> 00:20:41,744 Speaker 2: about this on the podcast. It was an interview with 467 00:20:41,824 --> 00:20:45,144 Speaker 2: Piers Morgan on his show Piers Morgan Uncensored, where he 468 00:20:45,224 --> 00:20:48,304 Speaker 2: was interviewing singer and songwriter Jaguar Wright, who worked with 469 00:20:48,384 --> 00:20:50,984 Speaker 2: jay Z and Beyonce as a backup singer and songwriter. 470 00:20:51,504 --> 00:20:54,744 Speaker 2: She alleged that they engaged in controlling and abusive behavior, 471 00:20:54,824 --> 00:20:58,784 Speaker 2: including accusations of keeping people against their will and using 472 00:20:58,864 --> 00:21:01,784 Speaker 2: tactics to manipulate them. And that was the first time 473 00:21:01,784 --> 00:21:04,424 Speaker 2: where we saw jay Z and Beyonce kind of respond 474 00:21:04,624 --> 00:21:08,264 Speaker 2: in that kind of area of allegations because they took 475 00:21:08,344 --> 00:21:11,064 Speaker 2: legal action, and then Pierre's Morgan and had to issue 476 00:21:11,064 --> 00:21:14,184 Speaker 2: a public apology to Beyonce and jay Z following that interview. 477 00:21:14,584 --> 00:21:17,584 Speaker 2: He also confirmed that his show complied with the legal 478 00:21:17,584 --> 00:21:21,104 Speaker 2: request to remove the remarks from the interview. So this 479 00:21:21,264 --> 00:21:23,984 Speaker 2: is just getting I feel like, more and more convoluted 480 00:21:24,304 --> 00:21:26,744 Speaker 2: as we go on. Like we've obviously heard the story 481 00:21:26,744 --> 00:21:29,504 Speaker 2: before it was an unnamed celebrity man, and now they're 482 00:21:29,504 --> 00:21:31,944 Speaker 2: alleging it's jay Z, but we still don't know the 483 00:21:32,064 --> 00:21:35,344 Speaker 2: name of the unnamed celebrity that has been alleged to 484 00:21:35,504 --> 00:21:39,184 Speaker 2: be watching the added take place. There are so many 485 00:21:39,344 --> 00:21:42,904 Speaker 2: rumors going out there that are so so dangerous, talking 486 00:21:42,904 --> 00:21:45,344 Speaker 2: about female celebrities who people think they are, And I 487 00:21:45,384 --> 00:21:48,304 Speaker 2: think that's where we always talk about that we try 488 00:21:48,344 --> 00:21:51,264 Speaker 2: to put the victims at the forefront and just listen 489 00:21:51,304 --> 00:21:54,904 Speaker 2: to their stories because the speculation can get so tedious 490 00:21:55,584 --> 00:21:59,424 Speaker 2: and so scary, especially if like you're not involved at all. 491 00:22:00,304 --> 00:22:02,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is that Beyonce and 492 00:22:02,544 --> 00:22:04,904 Speaker 1: jay Z's names have both been linked with this case 493 00:22:04,904 --> 00:22:07,944 Speaker 1: since the allegations were first made, but up until now, 494 00:22:08,264 --> 00:22:10,544 Speaker 1: jay Z's name hasn't been officially anywhere, and that's kind 495 00:22:10,584 --> 00:22:13,384 Speaker 1: of really open these floodgates. And as we know, Tony 496 00:22:13,424 --> 00:22:15,464 Speaker 1: Busby has been the man like at the very center 497 00:22:15,504 --> 00:22:18,024 Speaker 1: of this. He was the one who put the initial 498 00:22:18,024 --> 00:22:20,704 Speaker 1: statements out about what had happened. He's the one who 499 00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:24,864 Speaker 1: represented the initial group of alleged victims, and he and 500 00:22:24,904 --> 00:22:26,744 Speaker 1: his team put the call out for anyone else who 501 00:22:26,744 --> 00:22:30,824 Speaker 1: had accusations against Sean Combs and just got thousands and 502 00:22:30,864 --> 00:22:34,104 Speaker 1: thousands of responses that they waded through until they found 503 00:22:34,264 --> 00:22:36,624 Speaker 1: a group of like a couple of hundred of credible 504 00:22:36,704 --> 00:22:39,944 Speaker 1: responses that actually had their saying quite a lot of 505 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:43,824 Speaker 1: evidence to prove their case. And it's also interesting like 506 00:22:44,224 --> 00:22:47,184 Speaker 1: jay Z's full statement that he posted from his Rock 507 00:22:47,304 --> 00:22:52,144 Speaker 1: Nation account is so different to a celebrity statement that 508 00:22:52,184 --> 00:22:53,984 Speaker 1: would normally be put out about something like this. 509 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:55,664 Speaker 3: And so much a lot of rage and emotion. 510 00:22:55,744 --> 00:22:57,704 Speaker 1: It's a lot of rage and emotion, which again, like 511 00:22:57,824 --> 00:23:00,024 Speaker 1: we're not getting into like who's guilty or not, because 512 00:23:00,064 --> 00:23:02,304 Speaker 1: like that's going to go through the courts, and there's 513 00:23:02,304 --> 00:23:04,744 Speaker 1: a lot in May which we will cover, yes, and 514 00:23:04,744 --> 00:23:06,304 Speaker 1: so there's a lot there. But just looking at this 515 00:23:06,384 --> 00:23:08,464 Speaker 1: statement as just like how different it is to normal 516 00:23:08,504 --> 00:23:11,744 Speaker 1: celebrity statements normally. You can see that they're so written 517 00:23:11,744 --> 00:23:14,064 Speaker 1: and cultivated by a PR team and a legal team. 518 00:23:14,384 --> 00:23:16,984 Speaker 1: They always say, like, you know these are untra accusations, 519 00:23:17,064 --> 00:23:19,144 Speaker 1: will fight them all this sort of stuff. But this 520 00:23:19,184 --> 00:23:21,184 Speaker 1: feels like jay Z just sat at his computer and 521 00:23:21,264 --> 00:23:23,664 Speaker 1: just slammed off something. And he goes really hard at 522 00:23:23,664 --> 00:23:27,704 Speaker 1: Tony Busby in particular and names him several times in 523 00:23:27,744 --> 00:23:31,024 Speaker 1: the statement. He says that his lawyers received blackmail attempts 524 00:23:31,024 --> 00:23:34,584 Speaker 1: from Tony Busby and that like he has like drastically 525 00:23:34,664 --> 00:23:36,784 Speaker 1: underrested the kind of man he is. And then he's 526 00:23:36,824 --> 00:23:38,584 Speaker 1: really focused on the money side of it too. He's like, 527 00:23:38,584 --> 00:23:41,024 Speaker 1: I would not give you one red penny, and that's 528 00:23:41,064 --> 00:23:44,824 Speaker 1: in caps with two exclamation marks, and then goes on 529 00:23:44,944 --> 00:23:48,024 Speaker 1: to say Buzzby is like a deplorable human and that 530 00:23:48,104 --> 00:23:50,424 Speaker 1: he's seen his time many times over and he's like, 531 00:23:50,424 --> 00:23:52,104 Speaker 1: I'm more than prepared. This is coming from jay Z. 532 00:23:52,344 --> 00:23:53,944 Speaker 1: I'm more than prepared to deal with your type, and 533 00:23:53,944 --> 00:23:55,824 Speaker 1: then he brings the marines into it because you came 534 00:23:55,824 --> 00:23:58,064 Speaker 1: to be a marine. Marines are known for their valor. 535 00:23:58,144 --> 00:24:00,704 Speaker 1: You have neither on nor dignity. And this is also 536 00:24:00,784 --> 00:24:02,824 Speaker 1: what's made a lot of headlines is where he talks 537 00:24:02,864 --> 00:24:05,464 Speaker 1: about his children. So obviously he doesn't name his children 538 00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:08,624 Speaker 1: or Beyonce, but he and Beyonce have Blue Ivy and 539 00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:12,024 Speaker 1: then twins Roomy and Sir, and he says, my only 540 00:24:12,024 --> 00:24:14,144 Speaker 1: heartbreak is for my family. My wife and I will 541 00:24:14,144 --> 00:24:16,464 Speaker 1: have to sit our children down, one of whom is 542 00:24:16,504 --> 00:24:18,424 Speaker 1: at the age where her friends will surely see the 543 00:24:18,424 --> 00:24:20,704 Speaker 1: press and ask questions about the nature of these claims. 544 00:24:20,744 --> 00:24:23,864 Speaker 1: We'd be talking about Blue Ivy and explain the cruelty 545 00:24:23,904 --> 00:24:26,464 Speaker 1: and greed of people. I'm more in yet another loss 546 00:24:26,504 --> 00:24:29,424 Speaker 1: of innocence. Children should not have to endure this at 547 00:24:29,424 --> 00:24:31,304 Speaker 1: such a young age. Is unfair to have to try 548 00:24:31,344 --> 00:24:34,424 Speaker 1: and understand the inexplicable degrees of malice meant to destroy 549 00:24:34,504 --> 00:24:37,544 Speaker 1: families and human spirit. And then again he calls out 550 00:24:37,584 --> 00:24:40,264 Speaker 1: Tony Busby at the end, like very publicly saying that 551 00:24:40,344 --> 00:24:42,784 Speaker 1: you've made a terrible error in judgment thinking that all 552 00:24:42,824 --> 00:24:45,624 Speaker 1: celebrities are the same. I'm not from your world. I'm 553 00:24:45,624 --> 00:24:47,544 Speaker 1: a young man who made it out of the project 554 00:24:47,584 --> 00:24:49,784 Speaker 1: of Brooklyn. We don't play these types of games. 555 00:24:50,424 --> 00:24:52,304 Speaker 3: Oh, it sounds quite scary. 556 00:24:52,984 --> 00:24:57,464 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say threatening, but like it's clearly filled with 557 00:24:57,624 --> 00:25:00,984 Speaker 2: so much rage and emotion. And it was also put 558 00:25:01,024 --> 00:25:04,264 Speaker 2: out by his team Rock Nation, so it wasn't like 559 00:25:04,304 --> 00:25:08,224 Speaker 2: on his personal socials or anything. So I can't even 560 00:25:08,264 --> 00:25:10,184 Speaker 2: imagine the conversation that went where he would have just 561 00:25:10,224 --> 00:25:12,104 Speaker 2: been and like, I just want this exact statement to 562 00:25:12,144 --> 00:25:12,864 Speaker 2: be put out it. 563 00:25:12,864 --> 00:25:14,224 Speaker 1: That's what I mean. It doesn't feel like it's been 564 00:25:14,264 --> 00:25:16,384 Speaker 1: cultive because I'm sure a legal team or a PR 565 00:25:16,424 --> 00:25:18,744 Speaker 1: team would have said, like, don't put this out. Put 566 00:25:18,784 --> 00:25:21,104 Speaker 1: out a statements saying like I deny all of this, 567 00:25:21,344 --> 00:25:23,104 Speaker 1: we will fight it. Leave it at that. 568 00:25:23,184 --> 00:25:26,224 Speaker 2: I've got personal hits as well about the Marines and 569 00:25:26,304 --> 00:25:27,664 Speaker 2: I know your type. 570 00:25:27,624 --> 00:25:30,304 Speaker 1: And where he grew up and talking and referencing his children, 571 00:25:30,344 --> 00:25:33,304 Speaker 1: like going into depth referencing his children and what's going 572 00:25:33,344 --> 00:25:35,704 Speaker 1: on there. It's really I mean, this whole situation has 573 00:25:35,744 --> 00:25:38,304 Speaker 1: been very ugly to watch, but all the way through it, 574 00:25:38,384 --> 00:25:40,624 Speaker 1: Sean Combs has been really denying and he and his 575 00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:43,064 Speaker 1: family have been denying that any of the allegations are true. 576 00:25:43,384 --> 00:25:46,304 Speaker 1: And alongside of that, alongside all these victims coming out 577 00:25:46,624 --> 00:25:48,544 Speaker 1: with stories that are very similar, and a lot of 578 00:25:48,544 --> 00:25:50,424 Speaker 1: them have timelines that line up where there's a lot 579 00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:52,424 Speaker 1: of evidence there, which is like why it's going to court. 580 00:25:52,704 --> 00:25:55,464 Speaker 1: But people have just been so invested in who these 581 00:25:55,504 --> 00:25:58,864 Speaker 1: celebrity names are because, as we've talked about before, a 582 00:25:58,864 --> 00:26:02,224 Speaker 1: lot of these allegations are taking place either at Seawan 583 00:26:02,304 --> 00:26:05,064 Speaker 1: Combs's like office or record company, or at these parties 584 00:26:05,064 --> 00:26:07,224 Speaker 1: he used to throw. So you have the white parties, 585 00:26:07,464 --> 00:26:10,104 Speaker 1: those infamous white parties where hundreds of big name celebrities 586 00:26:10,104 --> 00:26:13,064 Speaker 1: would go to. And then the allegations are that a 587 00:26:13,104 --> 00:26:16,304 Speaker 1: lot of these incidents happened at the after parties, which 588 00:26:16,344 --> 00:26:19,224 Speaker 1: will also parties, Yeah exactly, but even like the party before, 589 00:26:19,384 --> 00:26:21,424 Speaker 1: like the after party, then you have the freak off party, 590 00:26:21,704 --> 00:26:24,224 Speaker 1: and there's celebrity names at each one of those. So 591 00:26:24,664 --> 00:26:26,704 Speaker 1: I think that's what people have been really kind of 592 00:26:26,744 --> 00:26:29,344 Speaker 1: almost hungry to know in a really like sadistic way, 593 00:26:29,864 --> 00:26:33,184 Speaker 1: is which of these beloved movie stars and singers that 594 00:26:33,224 --> 00:26:35,384 Speaker 1: we've been watching for the last twenty years or so 595 00:26:35,584 --> 00:26:38,944 Speaker 1: have been involved in this? And some of the allegations, 596 00:26:38,984 --> 00:26:41,704 Speaker 1: like the one about jay Z that there was like 597 00:26:41,784 --> 00:26:44,344 Speaker 1: another woman in the room and that he watched it happen, 598 00:26:44,384 --> 00:26:46,864 Speaker 1: that there were other people outside the door. It just 599 00:26:46,864 --> 00:26:48,584 Speaker 1: feels like it's going to be if it all sort 600 00:26:48,624 --> 00:26:50,384 Speaker 1: of comes out and it's proven, it's going to be 601 00:26:50,384 --> 00:26:52,984 Speaker 1: the biggest takedown of all these celebrity names that have 602 00:26:53,064 --> 00:26:54,824 Speaker 1: potentially been doing this for decades. 603 00:26:55,144 --> 00:26:57,264 Speaker 2: So, as mentioned before, we are going to keep covering 604 00:26:57,304 --> 00:26:59,424 Speaker 2: this case as more updates come to light, as well 605 00:26:59,464 --> 00:27:03,024 Speaker 2: as when it becomes public in May next year. But 606 00:27:03,104 --> 00:27:05,584 Speaker 2: if you want a big overview of all the details, 607 00:27:05,584 --> 00:27:07,584 Speaker 2: we are writing about that on Mama Mia. We will 608 00:27:07,624 --> 00:27:10,104 Speaker 2: link that article in our show notes. Thank you so 609 00:27:10,224 --> 00:27:13,224 Speaker 2: much much for listening to the Spill today. We have 610 00:27:13,584 --> 00:27:17,224 Speaker 2: a little last minute, brutally honest review coming up for 611 00:27:17,304 --> 00:27:19,584 Speaker 2: you tomorrow. I don't want to say what it is 612 00:27:19,624 --> 00:27:21,144 Speaker 2: because I want to leave it as a surprise, but 613 00:27:21,184 --> 00:27:23,744 Speaker 2: it's been literally years in the making, and. 614 00:27:23,944 --> 00:27:25,024 Speaker 1: Some of you have asked for it. 615 00:27:25,184 --> 00:27:26,904 Speaker 2: Hey listen, some of you have asked for it. And 616 00:27:26,944 --> 00:27:30,744 Speaker 2: we also have a special guest. Oh yes, So make 617 00:27:30,784 --> 00:27:33,264 Speaker 2: sure you have your notifications on because we are going 618 00:27:33,304 --> 00:27:35,544 Speaker 2: to be popping back in your podcast feed at three 619 00:27:35,584 --> 00:27:43,024 Speaker 2: pm tomorrow, Bye Bye