Speaker 1: Everyone starts from the same position, and we all start
Speaker 1: with that self doubt and we probably all still have it.
Speaker 1: Everybody gets criticized for everything that they do, So if
Speaker 1: you just quit all of your businesses in the sat
Speaker 1: in a room, you'd be criticized for that by somebody.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think that if they
Speaker 1: do what they're told will.
Speaker 2: Bring happiness, that they'll be happy. And I just people just.
Speaker 1: Follow what's in their heart, even if it's not trendy.
Speaker 1: I just think there's nothing that can match happiness.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 3: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 3: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 3: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 3: one way. So this is a platform to hear and
Speaker 3: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore,
Speaker 3: the good, bad and ugly, the best and worst day
Speaker 3: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm
Speaker 3: Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneurs
Speaker 3: with the suits and heels to cofound matcha Maiden and
Speaker 3: matcha Milk Bark CZA is a series of conversations on
Speaker 3: finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,
Speaker 3: joy and fulfillment along the way. As you can probably
Speaker 3: tell since I ramble on about it all the time,
Speaker 3: one of my favorite parts of creating this show is
Speaker 3: hearing not only so many fascinating and unique stories I
Speaker 3: might not otherwise have come across, but even within those stories,
Speaker 3: getting to actually sit down with the protagonists to unearth
Speaker 3: the parts that shorter interviews or written pieces might skate over.
Speaker 3: Today's guest is the perfect example of that whose incredible
Speaker 3: success has gained her worldwide recognition, but whose earlier chapters
Speaker 3: fascinated me even more. Sarah Andrews is the owner of
Speaker 3: iconic Tasmanian airbnb Captain's Rest, that she bought as a
Speaker 3: shack in twenty sixteen, despite locals promising her that nobody
Speaker 3: would come to visit the middle of nowhere. It is
Speaker 3: now booked out every day of the year and up
Speaker 3: to almost a year in advance, earning ten to fifteen
Speaker 3: thousand dollars per month, with an entire local economy starting
Speaker 3: to build up around the venue. As crowds started to
Speaker 3: flock to Tasmania's remote West coast, applying her earlier science
Speaker 3: background to the science of hosting and marketing. Sarah has
Speaker 3: since turned her newfound expertise into a globally acclaimed hosting
Speaker 3: masterclass guiding other business owners to success around the world,
Speaker 3: and her new book is also very soon to come out.
Speaker 3: But what I loved hearing the most was the roller
Speaker 3: coaster it took to get her here, covering a career
Speaker 3: as a spatial scientist, a year living on a yacht
Speaker 3: traveling the world, a traumatic Mexican storm leading to a
Speaker 3: shipwreck like rescue by the Mexican Navy, and so much
Speaker 3: more in between. I mean, if there's a film director
Speaker 3: listening into this one, you're welcome. I was both emotionally
Speaker 3: exhausted and invigorated by the end of this episode, which
Speaker 3: is really only just the beginning for Sarah Andrews. I
Speaker 3: hope you guys enjoy this one as much as I did. Sarah,
Speaker 3: what a great name. Welcome to CZA. Thank you, Sarah,
Speaker 3: and thank you for joining me From the beautiful location
Speaker 3: Captain's Rest that we will be talking all about today.
Speaker 3: It looks there are the birds.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did promise you some ducks.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. It looks absolutely glorious.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. We have some really strange weather here.
Speaker 1: We're in this really unique part of Tasmania where it
Speaker 1: could be snowing and storming all other places, but he
Speaker 1: will have sunshine and people will be swimming. We're in
Speaker 1: this little micro climate officially in the middle of winter
Speaker 1: and it's I'm in a T shirt and the sun out,
Speaker 1: so pretty.
Speaker 3: Lucky, glorious. Well, before we get into how you ended
Speaker 3: up there, because I absolutely love tracing through all the
Speaker 3: chapters of people's lives. We kick off every episode with
Speaker 3: a little icebreaker, which is just to ask everyone what
Speaker 3: the most down to earth thing is about them through
Speaker 3: often what becomes quite a glossy sort of surface of
Speaker 3: our digital lives. And you've had some incredible, incredible success,
Speaker 3: a beautiful new book, so much gloss. So can you
Speaker 3: break the ice and remind us what's really down to
Speaker 3: earth or relatable about you?
Speaker 1: I nearly failed high school English, and I still can't spell,
Speaker 1: and my grammar's terrible.
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's between a Now I am
Speaker 2: a published author, So there you go. Anyone, Everything is possible.
Speaker 3: There's always hope. Oh my gosh, well, you absolutely can't tell.
Speaker 3: In the book, it is absolutely perfect, so well done.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of help.
Speaker 3: So the first section, as you might know, is your
Speaker 3: wayta where as I mentioned, we sort of trace through
Speaker 3: all the different chapters of your life right from the
Speaker 3: very beginning, because I think, particularly when people do walk
Speaker 3: into your life in a chapter like you're the one
Speaker 3: you're in now where you're releasing amazing new programs and
Speaker 3: have hit so many beautiful milestones and sort of have
Speaker 3: some clear direction, everyone forgets that actually most of us
Speaker 3: spend the earlier parts of our life having no idea
Speaker 3: where we're going and not knowing you know, the magic
Speaker 3: that's going to come next. So take us back to
Speaker 3: young Sarah growing up in Wa, of all places, I
Speaker 3: didn't think anyone would end up in Straw and Tazzy
Speaker 3: if they'd started in Beach Wa. So what were you
Speaker 3: like as a kid. What were your first ideas of
Speaker 3: what you wanted to be and what you wanted to do?
Speaker 3: You know, what you wanted your future to look like.
Speaker 2: I was a strange kid.
Speaker 1: I guess my earliest memories of being an escape artist.
Speaker 1: So I spent as soon as I could walk, I
Speaker 1: started a running away from home.
Speaker 2: People would bring me.
Speaker 1: Back, but the attempts sort of can like very elaborate
Speaker 1: from being a very young age, and I didn't actually
Speaker 1: get to escape, but about five im my parents bought
Speaker 1: me a pony, so I was able to ride off
Speaker 1: into the distance as that of continue to run off
Speaker 1: And it was an amazing childhood I was. I felt
Speaker 1: so free, you know. I grew up about five hours
Speaker 1: north of Earth. At the time, there was really nothing there.
Speaker 1: It was just this tiny little town and the beach
Speaker 1: and the desert.
Speaker 2: And I remember being able to ride my horse in.
Speaker 1: Any direction, you know, towards the sea, towards the mountains,
Speaker 1: bild cubbies and explore and not really having a concept
Speaker 1: that the world outside of mine was very different.
Speaker 2: You know. It was just very simple and beautiful.
Speaker 1: I read so much and spent time with atlases and
Speaker 1: encyclopedias and dreamt about the world. But you know, I
Speaker 1: had these beautiful encyclopedias, but they were sort of made
Speaker 1: in the sixties and fifties, So what I thought the
Speaker 1: world was like is this place that didn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1: And I think once I left that small town to
Speaker 1: go to university. I was.
Speaker 2: I was so shocked with the shininess.
Speaker 1: Of the world and the fast pacedness of it, and
Speaker 1: everybody seemed so different to me, which is a bit
Speaker 1: of a shock, as I can imagine.
Speaker 3: But what an idealic start to the it is beautiful life.
Speaker 3: I mean that sounds absolutely glorious and so analogue, which
Speaker 3: I really loved it was.
Speaker 2: We never had a TV, no internet.
Speaker 1: I think our town didn't have a McDonald's till long
Speaker 1: many years after I had left to go to university.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just kind of figured that's how the whole
Speaker 2: world was. That it wasn't.
Speaker 3: But I think the longer that you can keep that
Speaker 3: kind of bubble alive for a child, the more magical
Speaker 3: that is. That you even had a period of your
Speaker 3: life where you believe that the word was like that.
Speaker 3: I love that, Like we all do get a bit
Speaker 3: of a rude awakening at some point, but I love
Speaker 3: that your childhood was so beautifully protected from that and
Speaker 3: so yeah, yeah, so experienced through things like old encyclopedias
Speaker 3: and books, which I don't think any of children these
Speaker 3: days would have ever seen an encyclopedia, which just a
Speaker 3: bit crazy when you think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 1: Having to read Matilda in primary school, that book the
Speaker 1: role Dale wrote about the girl who read so many books,
Speaker 1: and thinking she's.
Speaker 2: Just like me, like just difference because I have stacks
Speaker 2: and stacks of books around me all the time. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: that was the way you'd experienced the world.
Speaker 1: So after school we would go to the library for
Speaker 1: entertainment and then the beach, Like you know, there wasn't
Speaker 1: burgers and things.
Speaker 2: Like that, iPads.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel really grateful for it now looking
Speaker 1: at my nieces and the amount of consumption they need
Speaker 1: to be entertained constantly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, there's so much sort of instant gratuity and yeah,
Speaker 3: not a lot of slow pace or slow enough to
Speaker 3: just appreciate the really small things around you. And I
Speaker 3: can imagine like that would have been a massive culture shock,
Speaker 3: not having ever seen a McDonald's to then going to
Speaker 3: union having it all change. I've read that you started
Speaker 3: off as a spatial scientist, so coming from the background
Speaker 3: that you've just described, how did you even know that
Speaker 3: was a job and how did you sort of fall
Speaker 3: into that as a career. Where did you think it
Speaker 3: would lead?
Speaker 2: There's so much pressure.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still like that when we
Speaker 1: were in high school to go to university, and that
Speaker 1: was like the aim if you needed to get good
Speaker 1: grades to get into a university.
Speaker 2: And then you needed to do a class that was
Speaker 2: highly regarded.
Speaker 1: And I really wanted to do fine arts or design
Speaker 1: or architecture. But everyone in my life, my parents, you know,
Speaker 1: my teachers at school, said no, you need to go
Speaker 1: and study something that you're going to get a good,
Speaker 1: well paying job after Uni.
Speaker 2: That's the most important thing. You know. No one who
Speaker 2: does an arts degree gets a job.
Speaker 3: That old dialogue. And so I was.
Speaker 2: Always really good at science. I have a science mind.
Speaker 1: So I'm distracted because there's this big seal outside and
Speaker 1: some dolphins.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, turn the screen.
Speaker 2: Can you see them from when you go to see them?
Speaker 1: If the pot of dolphins come in, I'll turn the
Speaker 1: screen so you can see, but I'll keep my eyes
Speaker 1: on them.
Speaker 3: So you've kind of made a full circle back to
Speaker 3: those idyllic roots. Now just in Strawn, Tazzy watching pods
Speaker 3: of dolphins swim by.
Speaker 2: How it happened.
Speaker 1: It's a huge pot of dolphins. When they come closer,
Speaker 1: I'll turn the screen so you can see.
Speaker 2: But it's incredible. There's probably about twenty of them cruising through.
Speaker 3: Stop it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope they do it. If they come close,
Speaker 2: I'll turn but to see it.
Speaker 3: Oh well, that would be a podcast in my life.
Speaker 3: There'd be a pot of dolphins on the pod. Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, I can energetically draw them to let's manifest
Speaker 3: them closer. It's so funny you said that, though, because
Speaker 3: I think that is something that tends to happen when
Speaker 3: you go back through these people's stories, is they have
Speaker 3: as a child before things like expectation and pressure and
Speaker 3: career concerns about success and you know, progress before that
Speaker 3: starts to burden you and taint your view of the world.
Speaker 3: You know, you gravitate towards certain things, and often now
Speaker 3: later in the life you find people often do a
Speaker 3: full circle and come back to something that actually was
Speaker 3: always what they loved. But there's so many weird diversions
Speaker 3: along the way, like into spatial science.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at school, I think as a young person they
Speaker 1: just create this world where that's all that is possible,
Speaker 1: you know, to go to university and to get a
Speaker 1: good job and then work in that job. There's no
Speaker 1: other models. There might be now, but back then there
Speaker 1: were no other models that I could follow. But I
Speaker 1: just picked it because it was a brand new area
Speaker 1: of science that no one had really ever done.
Speaker 2: And I loved science. I've always loved science, so I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I'll do that to me going to
Speaker 2: university and getting a job.
Speaker 1: It just all sounded so depressing. Didn't really matter what
Speaker 1: you did. It just was like, oh, well, my life
Speaker 1: is over now to live in the real world and
Speaker 1: stop chasing butterflies.
Speaker 3: Which it turns out you never did, which is wonderful.
Speaker 3: Long did that last year. And by spatial science was
Speaker 3: it the study of space as in outer space or
Speaker 3: space as in like.
Speaker 2: Geographical sce geographical space. And it was a really beautiful science.
Speaker 1: Because it's sort of like physics or maths, so you
Speaker 1: can apply it to anything, which I loved. And after
Speaker 1: I finished studying, I went to work as a consultant
Speaker 1: for a couple of major consultancies around the world. So
Speaker 1: my job was to go into projects and work with
Speaker 1: like archaeologists or engineers or the geotechnical team and help
Speaker 1: them but also learn about their own areas of science
Speaker 1: or engineering or arts. Oh wow, okay, can you see yeah,
Speaker 1: just on the other side of that jetty. They're screaming
Speaker 1: on the other side of the jetty. Can you see
Speaker 1: the water? Oh my gosh, they just passed.
Speaker 2: If they come back again, that was amazing. You see that.
Speaker 3: You could just see the water change.
Speaker 2: I'll see what happens. They're very playful.
Speaker 3: I'll see what they Oh my god, that's extraordinary.
Speaker 2: A couple science.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I loved the science because my brain is
Speaker 1: a brain, it's so hungry for knowledge and getting to
Speaker 1: work on projects like this. I could go and learn
Speaker 1: about what, you know, the archaeologists for doing in their science.
Speaker 1: And I got to go to these amazing vaults all
Speaker 1: over the UK and see like skulls and daggers.
Speaker 2: And just have warehouses and warehouses.
Speaker 1: Off them because obviously their period of human occupation is
Speaker 1: so much longer than ours, and they had just had
Speaker 1: you know, a jewel room and like a leg bone room,
Speaker 1: and just you know, people just find this stuff all
Speaker 1: the time in Europe because they've had thousands of years
Speaker 1: of an occupation and they don't know who these bones
Speaker 1: belonged to, or this crown or this dagger or this sword,
Speaker 1: so it was an amazing job as for a young
Speaker 1: person who just wanted to find out about the world.
Speaker 1: But it just still was being stuck in an office
Speaker 1: for eight nine hours sometimes ten hours a day, which
Speaker 1: felt to me like I was depressed. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: back now, because you know, five days a week, sometimes
Speaker 1: six if you're working on a big project. I couldn't
Speaker 1: imagine the next fifty or sixty years of that.
Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting how the way I now
Speaker 3: describe people's pathway or path yay like pathway to joy
Speaker 3: is as a jigsaw puzzle. And I love tracing back
Speaker 3: through all of these earlier chapters of people's lives because
Speaker 3: you can see you can't make sense of it at
Speaker 3: the time, but in hindsight you can sort of start
Speaker 3: to see. No one ends up in their passion. You
Speaker 3: have to go through all those things, all these phases
Speaker 3: of not enjoying yourself necessarily, but picking the bits you like,
Speaker 3: getting rid of the bits you don't like, and just
Speaker 3: taking baby steps along the way. And I think it's
Speaker 3: so reassuring to hear that, you know, people do start
Speaker 3: in jobs that don't necessarily suit them. No one just
Speaker 3: wakes up one day in the career that they love.
Speaker 3: It does take a little while to get there, but
Speaker 3: you learn so much along the way. I don't think
Speaker 3: you'd look back now and go that was a waste,
Speaker 3: like it led you to sort of what came next.
Speaker 1: It was so difficult because you know, I was really
Speaker 1: good at what I did.
Speaker 2: I was working for the best one of the best
Speaker 2: companies in the world.
Speaker 1: That people work their whole lives is to get into
Speaker 1: work for the company on the biggest projects in the world.
Speaker 2: Like I was working on the London Olympic Games and
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: All these really the high profile projects, and I was
Speaker 1: so depressed, you know, and I was living in London.
Speaker 1: I was sort of as a young person at the
Speaker 1: peak of where they told me you should be, and
Speaker 1: it was I didn't have it. There was no magic
Speaker 1: there for me. I just found it hard to get
Speaker 1: up every day and go to work.
Speaker 3: And there's such a fine line, I think between worrying
Speaker 3: that you're not being grateful for all the things that
Speaker 3: you do have, but then also knowing when to acknowledge
Speaker 3: that actually it's beyond that. We're not just being millennial.
Speaker 3: Like I left a law firm, you know, a career
Speaker 3: in a law And it's not just being a millennial
Speaker 3: who got bored after a little while because it got hard.
Speaker 3: It's like, when you're actually having trouble waking up to
Speaker 3: go to that job, it's probably a sign that it's
Speaker 3: just not for you. I love that that led you
Speaker 3: onto a yacht called Gabrielle. Tell us about that chapter.
Speaker 1: So i'd save some money. And you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: just depressed. I think I always had like a nervous breakdown.
Speaker 1: I was seeing like a therapist, and I took a
Speaker 1: month off work and I just couldn't go back to work.
Speaker 1: I took I took six weeks off like a mental
Speaker 1: health leave, and I just I couldn't physically walk back
Speaker 1: into the office, and.
Speaker 2: So I quit. I just didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well, I'll just travel for a
Speaker 1: while and then it will come to me.
Speaker 2: I will figure it out.
Speaker 1: So I spent I think maybe two years just sort
Speaker 1: of traveling all around the world. I started in Europe,
Speaker 1: went down to Africa, then up through parts of South
Speaker 1: America into America, and I think I was sitting in
Speaker 1: San Francisco and I was still so lost and I
Speaker 1: hadn't found what I was looking for at all. It
Speaker 1: had a great time and lots of amazing experiences, but
Speaker 1: I hadn't found what it was I was supposed to
Speaker 1: do in my life.
Speaker 2: And I just thought, oh, oh, what is it that
Speaker 2: you really want, Sarah?
Speaker 1: And I just my internal voice answered, I just want
Speaker 1: to be around no people, with like nothing, no one
Speaker 1: can find me, and I don't have to ever go home.
Speaker 1: And then I thought that's ridiculous, Like where do you
Speaker 1: how do you have that experience?
Speaker 2: Then like a boat sailed past, and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's it. I've got to be on a boat. I
Speaker 2: just knew it. I just knew it.
Speaker 1: It was like one of those you know, sun being
Speaker 1: from the sky moment you asked.
Speaker 3: For your purpose to kind clear, and it literally sailed
Speaker 3: past you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, luckily, And it was in.
Speaker 1: A bad enough of a state to think that that
Speaker 1: was a great idea and I had nothing to lose,
Speaker 1: So I hired a guy happened to help me, and
Speaker 1: I'd never sailed before. We started doing some training on
Speaker 1: his boat. He helped me buy a boat, and then
Speaker 1: I moved onto my boat and then spent about a
Speaker 1: year learning to sail it, you know, service the engines,
Speaker 1: fix things, live at sea, navigate.
Speaker 2: Like everything I needed to know. So I took it
Speaker 2: really seriously. I you know, fully took this.
Speaker 1: Project on full time and decided that's what I was
Speaker 1: going to do with my life.
Speaker 2: And I loved it.
Speaker 1: As soon as I bought the boat and stepped onto
Speaker 1: the boat, I knew that this is what I was
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be doing. I just felt like,
Speaker 1: for the first time since I was I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: eight years old, that I felt happy again in the world.
Speaker 2: Wow, so amazing experience.
Speaker 3: Gosh, And isn't that so fascinating? I mean, one of
Speaker 3: the things I love so much about this show is
Speaker 3: listening to how things that some people would think is
Speaker 3: their nightmare being alone and at sea on a boat,
Speaker 3: is someone else's calling and passion and made them feel
Speaker 3: like they'd come back to themselves for the first time
Speaker 3: in over a decade. And that makes me so excited.
Speaker 3: It makes me so excited to remind everyone that what
Speaker 3: is going to make you feel that feeling is going
Speaker 3: to be so different and weird and worky compared to
Speaker 3: what everyone else does. But being brave enough to try
Speaker 3: enough things until you get there. You'll find it if
Speaker 3: you're not too worried about it looking like everyone else's pathway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm reading this beautiful book at the moment.
Speaker 1: It's called Courting the Wild Twin. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a fairytale where when people are born, their twin is
Speaker 1: thrown out the window, and their twin is the wild
Speaker 1: one that runs around in the forest under the moonlight,
Speaker 1: and it's passionate and tries all these new things out
Speaker 1: and we spend our life searching for them, and some
Speaker 1: of us get to find our wild twin and reunite
Speaker 1: and feel whole again, but some people don't.
Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful, tiny book. So if anyone.
Speaker 1: Listening wants a short read that will really inspire them,
Speaker 1: I just have found it so beautiful.
Speaker 2: But that's what I felt like.
Speaker 1: I felt like I found my wild twin and we
Speaker 1: were together on this adventure and I was so happy.
Speaker 1: There's joy and beauty around me and dolphins all the time.
Speaker 3: I love that concept of the wild twin. That's kind
Speaker 3: of what sees the A or seizing your Ya is
Speaker 3: like to me. It's the idea of coming back to
Speaker 3: that inner child that you let go of. And I
Speaker 3: love that it's described as like this parallel universe you
Speaker 3: who's off doing all the things that you actually want
Speaker 3: to do but you're too scared to do. That's such
Speaker 3: a beautiful analogy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're working at day jobs under fluorescent lights and
Speaker 1: they're off swimming.
Speaker 3: With pods of dolphins. And so how long were you
Speaker 3: sailing before the big seed that plant was planted for
Speaker 3: Captains rest in two thousand and eight where you got
Speaker 3: stranded in a big storm in Mexico, which I can't
Speaker 3: wait to hear about because that sounds a yeah, terrifying
Speaker 3: and be like miracle that you survived. But see talk
Speaker 3: about the universe throwing things at you that lead you
Speaker 3: to where you're meant to be. How crazy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's probably two years all up, like training,
Speaker 1: buying the boat, sailing, and I was sailing up on
Speaker 1: the coast of Mexico thinking about doing the crossing from
Speaker 1: Mexico to Australia.
Speaker 2: My boat wasn't ready.
Speaker 1: I needed to do more to my boat, but it
Speaker 1: was possible. So I was sort of like, Oh, do
Speaker 1: I go this season or do I hang around here
Speaker 1: in Mexico and go next season? So I was just
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, vagabonding around and having a great time, and.
Speaker 2: I decided to go.
Speaker 1: And as I was leaving Mexico off like the shores,
Speaker 1: I was probably about thirty notical miles out at sea.
Speaker 2: It was just everything started going wrong.
Speaker 1: So I had some engine problems and then there's really
Speaker 1: unexpected weather came in and it was just the worse
Speaker 1: weather I've.
Speaker 2: Ever been in, and I had some ripped sails, so
Speaker 2: it was just sort of one thing after another. But
Speaker 2: I ended up hitting something as well, which is so
Speaker 2: rare in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 1: It does happen, but it's very very rare, and it's
Speaker 1: usually either a sleeping whale or a pinnacle rock or
Speaker 1: a shipping container that's fallen off a boat and they
Speaker 1: float just underneath the water. You can't see them.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I ended up hitting something like that, and it
Speaker 1: was awful. It was like one in the morning and
Speaker 1: no moon, and it's so dark that you can't even
Speaker 1: describe the darkness, and it's like being in a cave.
Speaker 2: And you're just trying to work things out, you know.
Speaker 1: So I ended up setting off my EPERB, which is
Speaker 1: like an emergency positioning beacon. But I'd bought it secondhand,
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to like flip a little switch and
Speaker 1: push a button and then it's supposed to the button's
Speaker 1: supposed to like pulsate a color so you know that
Speaker 1: it's worked. The button didn't, nothing lit up. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've bought this secondhand. I tried to
Speaker 1: save it a few hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: And now I'm going to I ruin my life forever
Speaker 3: or no.
Speaker 1: So I spent yeah, the next six or seven hours
Speaker 1: trying to get closer to shore and keep the boat
Speaker 1: afloat and radio for help, but no one came.
Speaker 3: That's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I ended up getting the boat close
Speaker 1: enough to shore. I didn't know it at the time
Speaker 1: because it was the middle of the night, but I
Speaker 1: ended up sort of lodging my boat in some other
Speaker 1: rocks where it could just sort of stay and that
Speaker 1: we kind of could just stay there.
Speaker 2: And then eventually the Mexican Navy got to us.
Speaker 1: Because I was with I found a guy the day
Speaker 1: I left to help me sail this boat to the
Speaker 1: next spot.
Speaker 2: This random guy I didn't know it was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm a great sailor. I'm happy to help
Speaker 2: you steer the boat to this spot.
Speaker 1: And I took him on board, but within like twenty
Speaker 1: minutes he was so seasick. I didn't see him again
Speaker 1: until I hit whatever I hit, and then I was
Speaker 1: sort of he was freaking out, so I was trying
Speaker 1: to keep him calm while I was trying to save
Speaker 1: the boat and myself and a little bit of a disaster,
Speaker 1: but we ended up getting rescued.
Speaker 3: Did you say the Mexican Navy found you?
Speaker 1: Mexican Navy, Yes, they all eventually arrived and me out
Speaker 1: of the water I was and the water at that
Speaker 1: stage in the water, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was like a full ship wreck like.
Speaker 1: Wreck.
Speaker 3: Okay, but actually, how has no one made a movie
Speaker 3: about you yet?
Speaker 2: Truly?
Speaker 3: It's coming. I want to watch it right now.
Speaker 2: It was really, really amazing. I thought I was going
Speaker 2: to die. I really did. And you know, that's a
Speaker 2: special experience in itself.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was really They didn't know what to do
Speaker 1: with us because I didn't have anything, no money, no passport,
Speaker 1: no visa to be in Mexico, no shoes, nothing, no shoes,
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 2: No underpants. I just rang.
Speaker 1: I remember just wearing I was doing a track suit
Speaker 1: and a life jacket and that's all we had.
Speaker 2: Everything I had.
Speaker 1: So at a later point I found out there was
Speaker 1: many discussions with the Navy and the locals about what
Speaker 1: they were going to do because they didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: So this little.
Speaker 1: Village ended up like adopting me, and they gave me
Speaker 1: this little house on the beach, and they gave me
Speaker 1: a pet donkey and a pet cat, and they just thought, well,
Speaker 1: we'll just keep her it. We'll just keep her and
Speaker 1: I can figure it out. So I lived on this
Speaker 1: little beach for about I think nearly six months, maybe
Speaker 1: it was a bit longer, with no shoes or underpants
Speaker 1: or toothbrush or food. It was only had three sides
Speaker 1: in a dirt floor and a fire to cook. And
Speaker 1: then I had like big bottles of water that locals
Speaker 1: would refill for me for drinking and washing. And then
Speaker 1: I just foraged on the reef at the front of
Speaker 1: my house for mussels and foraged to eat.
Speaker 2: That's how I survived.
Speaker 1: And you know, every time and then a local woul
Speaker 1: drop me off a fish or some oysters or some
Speaker 1: that'vite me over for some dinner, that I just lived
Speaker 1: like the past away.
Speaker 3: But how funny I would love to know now looking
Speaker 3: back your reflections on happiness, looking at you with nothing,
Speaker 3: living as a castaway, versus you when you had everything
Speaker 3: that everyone thinks you should want a few years beforehand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good question. Because I didn't want
Speaker 2: to leave because I was really traumatized by what happened.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to speak about it, and I knew
Speaker 1: that as soon as I left and went home, everybody
Speaker 1: all they wanted to do was talk about what had happened,
Speaker 1: because it was, you know, it was world news at
Speaker 1: the time. Everybody knew, even people who.
Speaker 2: Didn't even know I was sailing.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've only just been able to start
Speaker 1: talking about it in the last couple of years, and
Speaker 1: it's been ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Now, you know.
Speaker 1: So, But I remember just being so happy, and I
Speaker 1: think it's because I was my wild twin.
Speaker 3: I was just she was fully unline by then.
Speaker 1: The place I lived in Mexico wasn't anywhere close to it.
Speaker 2: It was on the bar house. It's very remote.
Speaker 1: Just basically every couple of hundred colimeters is a tiny
Speaker 1: fishing village, and I would just walk the desert mountains
Speaker 1: in one direction until like I could feel like the
Speaker 1: sun was overhead, and then I would turn around and
Speaker 1: follow my footprints back again. And that's how I spent
Speaker 1: my time. And one of the locals gave me this
Speaker 1: one John Grisham novel with English that.
Speaker 3: You read over and over again. Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: You'll have to write to John Grisham and tell him.
Speaker 1: I had some friends who were living in LA and
Speaker 1: they managed to get me a care parcel down through
Speaker 1: the chain of backpackers and people I knew in Mexico.
Speaker 2: I think it went.
Speaker 1: Throughout seven different hands, and it had two disposable cameras,
Speaker 1: a bottle of whiskey, and some underpants and.
Speaker 2: I still have photos.
Speaker 1: So I managed to take some disposable photos of like
Speaker 1: my house and my cat and how I ate and
Speaker 1: how I lived.
Speaker 2: Little candles for light at nighttime and things like that.
Speaker 3: So it's so strange when I reflect on like the
Speaker 3: most unburdened happy times in my life, and they've all
Speaker 3: been out in very sparse conditions, like with very little
Speaker 3: and for some reason that almost it's because of that
Speaker 3: sparsity and like simplicity that you feel joy in a
Speaker 3: way you don't ever feel it when there's so much noise.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the locals offered me to stay.
Speaker 1: You know, in the village that I was in, you
Speaker 1: couldn't really buy a house. You were kind of given
Speaker 1: one nice like you can't just get on real estate
Speaker 1: dot Com.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's a nice house. You just.
Speaker 1: The town has to kind of like, well we want her,
Speaker 1: we don't And then they're like, you can have this house,
Speaker 1: or there's an island over there with a house, you
Speaker 1: could have that house. But I just felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a cop out, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: feel done with my life to grow old in Mexico
Speaker 1: with you know, I.
Speaker 2: Just I was do at like twenty six at that time.
Speaker 3: I think, oh my gosh, you were so young.
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to at some point go home.
Speaker 2: So I did.
Speaker 3: Wow, And what do you think sparked that? Like, I
Speaker 3: feel like people chase the feeling that you would have
Speaker 3: had there and then for you to actually find that
Speaker 3: kind of liberation and joy, Like I think people often wonder,
Speaker 3: how do I know when my next chapter is coming,
Speaker 3: because life is so cyclical and it is so baby steps.
Speaker 3: But how do you know when it's like it's time
Speaker 3: to go home? How did you figure that out?
Speaker 2: I just felt ready.
Speaker 1: A big part of me was probably processing what had
Speaker 1: happened because it was so traumatic and quick, and I
Speaker 1: just felt ready to go back and talk about it
Speaker 1: and then figure out what was next. I knew I
Speaker 1: couldn't stay there forever, but six.
Speaker 2: Months a really long time to live on a Mexican beach. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a really long time actually, So it felt like
Speaker 2: he is to me. It felt like he is, and
Speaker 2: I was so brown and healthy.
Speaker 1: And I think also the swine flues another pandemic had started,
Speaker 1: and it felt dangerous to be there. And it worked
Speaker 1: out that like legal situation to get me out, with
Speaker 1: different documents and things like that. So it sort of
Speaker 1: all just came together in the right time for me, like,
Speaker 1: all right, well it's probably now never to make a
Speaker 1: break out of here. Wow.
Speaker 3: And again, this is why I love this section so much,
Speaker 3: because it's like most people have heard of you because
Speaker 3: of Captain's Rest, which we haven't even gotten to yet,
Speaker 3: and you've already lived a movie worth of life. So
Speaker 3: you're talking about going on real estate, dot com putity,
Speaker 3: even finding a house and being like I'm going to
Speaker 3: buy that. Talk us through the next chapter, which led
Speaker 3: to Strawn in Tazzi, which again, so my husband's from Devonport,
Speaker 3: he knows Straw and intimately we were kind of surprised
Speaker 3: that someone who had been so global and had no connection,
Speaker 3: like no roots to Tasmania would end up in Straw
Speaker 3: in of all places. How did that happen?
Speaker 1: Well, I got back to Australia and you know, I'd
Speaker 1: lived this amazing life and an adventure for years at
Speaker 1: that point, and I was staring straight back into Melbourne,
Speaker 1: into university. So I decided that I would retrain to
Speaker 1: him a designer. I didn't care whether I got a
Speaker 1: job afterwards or not. I just thought I didn't care anymore.
Speaker 1: I just want to be happy and to do what
Speaker 1: I really love to do. And it was a really
Speaker 1: confronting experience going from the life i'd lived for years
Speaker 1: to you know, brunches and trams and where you live
Speaker 1: and who are your parents and that kind of very
Speaker 1: different society.
Speaker 2: And I really struggled, like I really struggled.
Speaker 1: You know, people would would have coffee or hang out
Speaker 1: with friends, and then to be talking about I don't
Speaker 1: know whatever it is that just it just all felt
Speaker 1: so meaningless to me.
Speaker 2: I just got so disconnected from society, and.
Speaker 1: I guess it was I was probably suffering from some PTSD,
Speaker 1: but I was also had found my wild twin and
Speaker 1: didn't know how to reintegrate into society. So I just
Speaker 1: kind of muscled my way through.
Speaker 2: I just went to UNI, and.
Speaker 1: Then I got a job, and then I started my
Speaker 1: own design studio, and then I hustled for work, and
Speaker 1: you know, I got a mortgage, and then within a
Speaker 1: couple of years my life had just tumbled back into
Speaker 1: this modern western model that we were all taught.
Speaker 2: You know, I met, I met someone, I married them.
Speaker 1: You know, we had a dog, and I just blinked,
Speaker 1: and I was just so unhappy, and I just thought,
Speaker 1: what has happened?
Speaker 2: I worked so hard to break free.
Speaker 1: And find a life that suited me, and then I
Speaker 1: gave up on it. Anyway, I was reading a magazine
Speaker 1: and there was this article about the west coast of
Speaker 1: Tasmania about how like, you know, these beautiful landscapes that
Speaker 1: were just like mountains and missed and described it as
Speaker 1: like almost like a mortal like quality where it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like any human had ever lived there and never will,
Speaker 1: and the remoteness of it, and how no one ever
Speaker 1: visits there, and it's.
Speaker 3: Called the wild West among Tasmanians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just thought, you know what, like, I
Speaker 1: just need to get out of here.
Speaker 2: I just need to get out of here.
Speaker 1: And they showed my shack and a little insert picture,
Speaker 1: so there was like the jetty and my shack, and
Speaker 1: I just thought, God, wouldn't it be nice just to
Speaker 1: be there and just forget about the world and I
Speaker 1: could work from here. And that was my answer. And
Speaker 1: that's why it's called Captain's Rest, because I hadn't had
Speaker 1: a chance to stop and really process what had happened
Speaker 1: or designed my life the way I wanted it to.
Speaker 1: I just needed to survive because I had no money
Speaker 1: or anything going on back in our modern world.
Speaker 2: So I just got on real estate and the shack
Speaker 2: was for sale.
Speaker 1: It'd been for sale for five years, but I think
Speaker 1: it was eighty eight thousand something like that.
Speaker 2: So I rang up the real estate agent and I
Speaker 2: bought it. I just bought it.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I've just kind of moved to
Speaker 1: the part time and then live in the modern world
Speaker 1: part time as well. That was my grand plan about
Speaker 1: how I was going to make this work. And I'd
Speaker 1: always been drawn to Tasmania. I'd always wanted a house here,
Speaker 1: and everyone just was always like, why would.
Speaker 2: You want to live in Tasmania. It's an awful place
Speaker 2: live there leave. I'd had a girlfriend who was from
Speaker 2: Tasmania in the previous years and she was just hanging it.
Speaker 2: What an awful place it was. No, I did a
Speaker 2: beautiful part of the word. It's known that way now.
Speaker 1: But when I bought this place, it was just not
Speaker 1: a popular place to be, not trying.
Speaker 2: I didn't care.
Speaker 1: Neither was Mexico, you know, like I didn't really mind.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be in the elements.
Speaker 2: On my own.
Speaker 1: And while I was renovating this place, I ended up
Speaker 1: getting very sick. But also at the same time I
Speaker 1: got a bit of a divorce from you know, it
Speaker 1: just all fell apart. Some secrets were unearthed, I guess
Speaker 1: on my partner's fort like half, and it all just
Speaker 1: came such a big shock to me that it was
Speaker 1: incredible how quickly my life fell apart In about a month.
Speaker 2: You know, I was just so sick.
Speaker 1: I was didn't ever anyway to live, ended up going
Speaker 1: through this very nasty financial separation.
Speaker 2: It was just all so much.
Speaker 3: When it rains, it pourse it does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my plan about living here, I guess didn't
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 1: I had to rent it out as an Airbnb to
Speaker 1: pay my own way. It was the only income I
Speaker 1: had at the time, and so I really had to
Speaker 1: make it work. But I'd had this background in science
Speaker 1: and in design, but also in this science where I
Speaker 1: could go into any field and work it out scientifically
Speaker 1: how it was done. So I really threw myself into
Speaker 1: the science of hosting, the science of marketing, the science
Speaker 1: of tourism. And because I needed to make my business work,
Speaker 1: and because I needed I wanted to survive.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to take me down, and I guess
Speaker 2: fast forward it worked. It was.
Speaker 1: I remember the locals here said to me, I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that, like no one ever comes here, You've never
Speaker 1: ever rented out. They said, you might get Christmas in
Speaker 1: New Year rented, but that's it, Like you won't even
Speaker 1: be able to rent it as a rental, and like
Speaker 1: now it's I think there's twice weekly flights SI Strong,
Speaker 1: and we've got this entire industry around Captain's Rest.
Speaker 2: It's quite amazing. But yeah, it's interesting what you can do.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Sarah, what a story. Yeah, my gosh,
Speaker 3: this is so fascinating and exciting and heart wrenching and heartwarming.
Speaker 3: I feel like I need to like have a little
Speaker 3: lie down to just process it all. Wow, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: I mean again, just to reiterate. People who walk into
Speaker 3: anyone's life right now and see Captain's Rest and see
Speaker 3: all the highlights and the new master class is coming out,
Speaker 3: and the published author can so easily underestimate all of
Speaker 3: the like nothing is an overnight success. There have been
Speaker 3: so many ups and downs to get you here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I worked so hard, and it wasn't just like
Speaker 1: I put it on AMBMB and people were like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. It became really successful, like it was work
Speaker 1: and it was all by design. And it was because
Speaker 1: I worked so hard doing the right things that I
Speaker 1: was able to build my own business, but also build
Speaker 1: the business so big that people who wanted to come
Speaker 1: and experience this couldn't even get in. So now I
Speaker 1: built the whole town around me is so busy because
Speaker 1: everyone knows.
Speaker 2: That Captain Stress and just wants to come for the experience.
Speaker 2: And it's incredible. Oh my god. You know we're booked
Speaker 2: out every night of the year.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's that's never Yeah, so it's always probably
Speaker 1: about six to nine month booked in advance.
Speaker 2: Wow. Amazing.
Speaker 1: The only reason I'm here right now is because if
Speaker 1: we had a Sydney booking and I thought, oh buger,
Speaker 1: I'm going.
Speaker 3: For so long, you probably kind of even get yourself
Speaker 3: in there's.
Speaker 2: This is the first time in a year. I've been
Speaker 2: here a year. Wow. And the reason I was here
Speaker 2: last year is because of Lockdown. So I spent Lockdown here,
Speaker 2: which was.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Oh my god, with pods of dolphins, I mean,
Speaker 3: how glorious.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, before we move on to what you've then been
Speaker 3: able to turn that whole experience into, as well as
Speaker 3: building pretty much a whole town around this beautiful Airbnb,
Speaker 3: I want to just touch on the money side as well,
Speaker 3: because I think sometimes that's another part that we skate over,
Speaker 3: partly because I was brought up. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you were the same with the idea that you don't
Speaker 3: talk about money, politics, and religion. But I think that
Speaker 3: also means we skate over parts of people's stories that
Speaker 3: could be really helpful to other people who were earlier
Speaker 3: on in their pathway. How did you like? It's alarming
Speaker 3: that you could buy something that now is what it
Speaker 3: is for eighty thousand, But eighty thousand is also a
Speaker 3: lot of money when you've been also traveling and bought
Speaker 3: your own boat. I think it sounds like, oh, I
Speaker 3: just had money and I just financially worked myself out.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure it wasn't like that.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't like that. So I had I had
Speaker 2: about ten thousand dollars in savings.
Speaker 1: So I paid the deposit of his house, which was
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars, so ten percent deposit.
Speaker 3: And an eight dollars deposit. My Melbourne brain is like, what.
Speaker 2: I don't forget.
Speaker 1: This was supposed to be my holiday home, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was going to renovate it a little bit
Speaker 1: and spend part of the year down here, you know,
Speaker 1: working by the fire and watching the dolphins, and you know,
Speaker 1: pay the I think it was six hundred dollars mortgage
Speaker 1: a month or something.
Speaker 2: Like that. That was my plan. Renovations ended up costing
Speaker 2: me about forty thousand dollars and I did them all on.
Speaker 4: Credit card, so I didn't have to say I do
Speaker 4: not recommend anyone do this, But when anyone who's renovated
Speaker 4: a house or no, once you get started off just
Speaker 4: a lick of pain, then the windows need to change,
Speaker 4: then the floor needs to be.
Speaker 1: Done, and the lights, like it just goes on and on.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to hold back. So I spent that
Speaker 1: on credit card, and then when I got this horrible divorce,
Speaker 1: I essentially had to pay out my partner the worth
Speaker 1: of this place as well. So wow, I had to
Speaker 1: pay out it was almost one hundred thousand dollars as well.
Speaker 1: So all I was left with was this mortgage, a
Speaker 1: credit card bill, one hundred thousand dollar debt to my ex,
Speaker 1: no car, nothing. So I think what people don't realize
Speaker 1: is it wasn't just a credit card debt an eight
Speaker 1: thousand dollars deposit, but I also had to pay this
Speaker 1: nasty divorce settlement which I just had to work really
Speaker 1: hard and pay off like.
Speaker 2: It was not easy.
Speaker 1: And I think the ABC did an article about Airbnb's
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when they interviewed me and
Speaker 1: they wanted to know specifics like how much it makes
Speaker 1: a year and how much I paid for it and animated,
Speaker 1: and they glossed over those details, and everyone on Facebook
Speaker 1: was just so nasty, like, you know, who has given
Speaker 1: her the money to do there? She's obviously had an
Speaker 1: inheritance and just a little rich white girl.
Speaker 2: And the opposite was true.
Speaker 1: I was so had nothing, and I just had to
Speaker 1: work really hard to make this work because I had to.
Speaker 2: I had no other choice.
Speaker 3: And that's why I think it's so important to cover that,
Speaker 3: because I think that is probably the assumption that a
Speaker 3: lot of people make about most people's stories, because we
Speaker 3: don't get into the needy gritty of that. But it's
Speaker 3: also really once you do hear it's so inspiring and
Speaker 3: reassuring that you can come back from overseas where you
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of savings when you arrive home
Speaker 3: and you can feel behind and in debt, and many
Speaker 3: people probably feel that right now, but you can get
Speaker 3: ahead if you just chip away over time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so many of my students now we're
Speaker 1: in the same position as me.
Speaker 2: As I was, and I encourage them all to go.
Speaker 1: And find areas of the world that aren't popular and
Speaker 1: discover them or explore them, because there are so many
Speaker 1: pockets of the world in Australia that are incredible and
Speaker 1: beautiful and affordable, not just in Tasmania but all over
Speaker 1: the place. But we just all have this mindset that
Speaker 1: we want to live where everyone else is talking about
Speaker 1: were living, instead of trying something new.
Speaker 2: And I think if you're brave enough to try something new,
Speaker 2: you can bring people to you. You know. I've had
Speaker 2: so many successful students.
Speaker 1: Who have bought little shacks in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 1: where no one ever goes, and they've all.
Speaker 2: Been crazy successful like I was.
Speaker 1: They've all been able to build their own audience and
Speaker 1: showcase the beauty that's around them too, and draw people
Speaker 1: out of the cities to go an adventure to find them.
Speaker 3: I always say, someone out there is looking for exactly
Speaker 3: what you have, so if you try and be someone else,
Speaker 3: you're actually depriving those people of the thing they're looking for.
Speaker 3: And if you just trust, like there's obviously a huge,
Speaker 3: huge portion of the population like yourself, who don't want
Speaker 3: to go where's trendy and where everyone else is going.
Speaker 3: And you also mentioned your students, which is amazing. Tell
Speaker 3: us about how you've become a teacher and have launched
Speaker 3: your own master classes for the sciences of hosting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I started them about three or four years
Speaker 1: ago now, and that's my main jobs. I don't run
Speaker 1: Captain's Rest anymore. I have a team of people who
Speaker 1: work for me with my masterclass and my business and
Speaker 1: they run Captains Rest now for me.
Speaker 2: But when Captains Rest hit the success, it did the
Speaker 2: whole Australia took notice. They were just so, how did
Speaker 2: she do this?
Speaker 1: Like our industry then, it wasn't like it was now
Speaker 1: where there was lots of different airbnbs. It was just
Speaker 1: sort of like three or four really famous ones and
Speaker 1: some really well known hotels. And I just came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere and just you know, became this overnight success.
Speaker 1: And I had so many people get in touch. You know,
Speaker 1: how did you do that? Can you give us some advice?
Speaker 1: Can you come and work on my place?
Speaker 2: You know? Can you do my marketing for me? And
Speaker 2: I did a couple of odd jobs. What I realized
Speaker 2: I was doing is just teaching them my method in
Speaker 2: all the different areas.
Speaker 1: So overhosting there's really ten different areas like you know
Speaker 1: what to buy, who your audience is, pricing, styling, all
Speaker 1: the way through to like management, marketing, or the business
Speaker 1: side of things. So I'd really cracked the coat on
Speaker 1: all of these specific areas. So I realized I was
Speaker 1: actually just teaching my clients for a lot of money,
Speaker 1: one on one, this formula that I had and applying
Speaker 1: it to them and their property in their audience.
Speaker 2: So it got to the point.
Speaker 1: Where I was probably getting about five emails or dms
Speaker 1: a day of just desperate people like I bought this
Speaker 1: beautiful house, We're losing money.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to lose this house, and we don't
Speaker 2: make it successful.
Speaker 1: And they weren't just people who were well off who
Speaker 1: wanted a beautiful place.
Speaker 2: They were real people who were struggling.
Speaker 1: They had these homes that they loved, and they loved
Speaker 1: more more than just what they were to other people.
Speaker 1: They'd had there were their grandma's houses, or they were
Speaker 1: their dreams. I've always had a holiday house. And could
Speaker 1: I help them? But they didn't have any money to
Speaker 1: pay me. So I decided I'd put on three workshops
Speaker 1: they could come, I wou teach my methods and then
Speaker 1: that would be I would go back to Captain's Rest
Speaker 1: and that would be the end of that. But they
Speaker 1: were amazing, and we had about forty people come to
Speaker 1: the three classes, maybe fifty, but then they all went
Speaker 1: off and became so successful, and then everyone's like, wow,
Speaker 1: all these people who have an angel It with Sarah
Speaker 1: have become ridiculously successful.
Speaker 2: So it just grew from there.
Speaker 1: It became huge, and now I teach people all over
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: It's well known as like I'm the expert in hosting
Speaker 1: in the world. It's incredible, and so I spend most
Speaker 1: of my time on Zoom teaching or writing. I've just
Speaker 1: got to the point where I found that all of
Speaker 1: our students were so successful. We started having people come
Speaker 1: just for their businesses and just for their interiors. So
Speaker 1: I've just started creating another course just for them, because yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not there at all for hosting, but they just
Speaker 1: recognize how successful people who'd come were and they just
Speaker 1: wanted to know why.
Speaker 2: So it's just grown and grown and grown.
Speaker 3: Oh, Mid And like I always think, you know, talking
Speaker 3: to twenty six year old you on Avshi in Mexico. Like, no,
Speaker 3: you could not probably have convinced you that you would
Speaker 3: be the world's foremost expert on something that you had
Speaker 3: never probably ever had a finger in any pie related
Speaker 3: to hosting or airbnbus or design or anything like how crazy.
Speaker 1: No, I never thought i'd end up here, but I
Speaker 1: didn't really have an idea and where I would end up.
Speaker 1: You know, I was always searching or I just didn't
Speaker 1: have a clear understanding of what it was I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: But I know every day when I teach my students
Speaker 2: that this is what it.
Speaker 1: All was for, and this is why I was here,
Speaker 1: This is what I'm here to do because honestly, like
Speaker 1: we still do our face to face classes, maybe like
Speaker 1: once or twice a year, because I just love doing
Speaker 1: them because I'm with everybody.
Speaker 2: But you know, people leave the class crying and You've
Speaker 2: changed my life.
Speaker 1: And then I go out and I see them on
Speaker 1: the covers of magazines and they write to me and like,
Speaker 1: this is everything I've ever wanted. You know, I've read
Speaker 1: this magazine since I was nineteen years old, and now
Speaker 1: I'm on the cover, and you know, I was before
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit I was traveling in Europe and there
Speaker 1: wasn't one magazine I could pick up without seeing a
Speaker 1: student in it. Anywhere that I went. I'd always went
Speaker 1: to a Newsagian scene and flick. I'm like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: like so and so in Scotland and there's so and so,
Speaker 1: and they're all just people like me who never thought
Speaker 1: they could. And it's just the best thing I've ever
Speaker 1: done by far.
Speaker 3: Oh it's a crowd congratulations. I mean that gives me goosebumps.
Speaker 3: It's just such a beautiful, beautiful story. And he's only
Speaker 3: really just beginning. I mean, you've just published a book,
Speaker 3: Like I feel like there are so any ways that
Speaker 3: this is just the launch pad for more wonderful things
Speaker 3: that are going to come from you and your students.
Speaker 3: But it's funny that you said like it all came
Speaker 3: from people who thought that they couldn't. And we've kind
Speaker 3: of weaved in the n ATA, which is the next
Speaker 3: section that's all about sort of the challenges along the way,
Speaker 3: which you've touched on many but self doubt is a
Speaker 3: really really big one, particularly when you don't have money
Speaker 3: backing you, or you don't have like twenty five years
Speaker 3: of study or experience in a particular area, and you
Speaker 3: are going out to do something that not many people
Speaker 3: have done, and locals are telling you isn't going to work,
Speaker 3: let alone your own in a critic, What advice do
Speaker 3: you have for I mean, anyone really who's in an
Speaker 3: earlier chapter, like the equivalent of what you were doing
Speaker 3: traveling the world just lost unsure or earlier on in
Speaker 3: their business where they have that chatter of like I
Speaker 3: can't do this, like this isn't going to work. I'm
Speaker 3: not you know who am I to do this? And
Speaker 3: then end up being a global expert Like what words
Speaker 3: would you say to either younger you or anyone else?
Speaker 3: Sort of on that pathway.
Speaker 1: Quite a lot to say on this subject, because I
Speaker 1: see it in everybody I teach, and I see it
Speaker 1: in myself too. So I have the pleasure of having
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty people sit in front of me every
Speaker 1: week and watching them come in terrified, like thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough to be here, and I'm surely
Speaker 1: I can't create something as good as all these other
Speaker 1: students that Sarah has, and I sometimes have to sit
Speaker 1: down with them and I said, well, who do you
Speaker 1: admire and they show me their Instagram accounts and I'll say, well,
Speaker 1: though they're a student, and she cried in the first
Speaker 1: day that she came in here, And everyone starts from
Speaker 1: the same position, and we all start with that self
Speaker 1: doubt and we probably all still have it every day.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I got my book deal, my contract,
Speaker 1: I just tell the biggest impostor, like I to write
Speaker 1: a book.
Speaker 2: The shelves around the world, and.
Speaker 1: Like, why would anyone be interested in what I have
Speaker 1: to say about design? And you know, I admire so
Speaker 1: many incredible designers around the world, and my book is
Speaker 1: going to be sitting along next.
Speaker 2: To their there are, and we'll work in their voice,
Speaker 2: you know, for a long time.
Speaker 1: And I feel exactly the same as whoever is out
Speaker 1: there listening to this, thinking, oh I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm good enough to do whatever it is.
Speaker 1: So when I first started in the hosting industry but
Speaker 1: also teaching it, you know, I wasn't going out to
Speaker 1: host and I wasn't even going out to teach, like
Speaker 1: both of these things that I ended up doing, which
Speaker 1: just I guess fate, they were fated for me, but
Speaker 1: they weren't my intention. I got a lot of criticism
Speaker 1: because I'm very young, and well, I'm probably not, but
Speaker 1: I felt like I was very un you are, You've
Speaker 1: lived a lot of time, was and I got a
Speaker 1: lot of criticism by older people in the industry who
Speaker 1: hadn't had the same amount of success as quickly as
Speaker 1: I had, so it was quite nasty.
Speaker 2: I was bullied. Lots of really awful things happen, which
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go into. It's just sort of school yard stuff,
Speaker 2: but it.
Speaker 1: Really cut me down and it made me feel I
Speaker 1: guess the intention was to put me in my place,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, who are you to teach people
Speaker 1: and you know, be so successful if you haven't really
Speaker 1: earned it. And I really was quite upset about this
Speaker 1: for years.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find the answer.
Speaker 1: I just kind of muscled through and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing because
Speaker 1: I love it, and you know, it kept being successful
Speaker 1: and everyone was happy, and all my class students are
Speaker 1: really successful. But I found this meditation teacher that I
Speaker 1: interviewed in London the last time I was there, and
Speaker 1: I said to her, how do.
Speaker 2: You deal with criticism? Because it's just eating me up inside?
Speaker 2: This feeling I have.
Speaker 1: Of not being good enough and people tell you that,
Speaker 1: you know, it really hurts me, and how do I
Speaker 1: feel okay about it? And she said to me, She's
Speaker 1: like Sarah, everybody gets criticized for everything that they do.
Speaker 1: So if you just quit all of your businesses into
Speaker 1: sat in a room, you'd be criticized for that by
Speaker 1: somebody or out there listening who isn't starting their business
Speaker 1: or quiting their job to follow their passion. They'll be
Speaker 1: criticized for not doing it, you know, as they'll be
Speaker 1: criticized or why don't you quit the job back?
Speaker 2: You haven't got the.
Speaker 1: Guts to do it, you know. So I think, as
Speaker 1: soon as I realize it, no matter what it is
Speaker 1: I was out there doing, if I was working at Wallace,
Speaker 1: someone would criticize me for that because I'm too old
Speaker 1: to be doing a job like that, or I've got
Speaker 1: a degree I should be aiming higher. So it clicked
Speaker 1: for me that it didn't matter because I'm going to
Speaker 1: get it that regardless.
Speaker 2: So that really helped me a lot.
Speaker 3: That's such a good point. You can't please everyone. There
Speaker 3: will always be someone who's got something to say about
Speaker 3: what you're doing It's always about them and not about
Speaker 3: you anyway. But oh yeah, it's like, if I'm going
Speaker 3: to get hate for doing something I don't like, I
Speaker 3: might as well get hate for something that I do like.
Speaker 3: It's going to come out of the way. I might
Speaker 3: as well just do what I want to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think now I'm older, I have perspective on it.
Speaker 1: You can, I can see that that I understand why
Speaker 1: I was criticized.
Speaker 2: Because of other people's insecurities about them selves and their
Speaker 2: own choices. And now I don't ever think about it.
Speaker 1: Makes me laugh that I was so concerned with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you need to have different perspectives sometimes.
Speaker 3: I think that's so true. I think it's definitely one
Speaker 3: of those things that just comes with age. Like there's
Speaker 3: so much angst earlier on in the journey, and then
Speaker 3: you just get to that point where you're like, eh,
Speaker 3: you know, or the only person whose opinion that does
Speaker 3: other people you actually care about who are around you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's right.
Speaker 1: I think all my students and all of my guests
Speaker 1: are just you know, thriving, and why would why other
Speaker 1: people would.
Speaker 3: Think about that totally. So the last section is called Playta,
Speaker 3: which is the section where we kind of strip back
Speaker 3: everything we've spoken about and finding your purpose and your
Speaker 3: passion and particularly when you do love your job and
Speaker 3: when it does allow you a bit of a non
Speaker 3: conventional like work life structure. I think it's really hard
Speaker 3: for people to have any kind of boundaries for downtime
Speaker 3: or the captain getting rest in this case. But I
Speaker 3: think it's you're better what you do. And it's also
Speaker 3: important to never get to the end of your life
Speaker 3: and think, Wow, I worked and died and that's all
Speaker 3: I did. There's such a thing as pleasure and hobbies
Speaker 3: and doing things that help you forget what the time
Speaker 3: is or just detach completely from the to do list,
Speaker 3: which I imagine having, you know, had your experiences in
Speaker 3: Mexico and then living out and you know, the wild
Speaker 3: West of Tazzy, that you'd probably be better than most
Speaker 3: people are doing this. But what are some things you
Speaker 3: do just for joy that aren't related to teaching or
Speaker 3: designing or hosting or bettering yourself, that are just for fun.
Speaker 2: I'm a really boring person. I love to go for
Speaker 2: a walk.
Speaker 3: You think you're boring, But that's the most interesting story
Speaker 3: I've heard in a long time.
Speaker 2: I love walking.
Speaker 1: I don't live here at Captain Stress, obviously, I live
Speaker 1: in another part of Tasmi, but it's equally as beautiful.
Speaker 1: I live in a beautiful house on the water, and
Speaker 1: I wake up every morning and I walk on all the.
Speaker 2: Farm and the coastline around me.
Speaker 1: So I walk for about an hour too every day,
Speaker 1: and the bush.
Speaker 2: I pick up, you know, starfish and seaweed. And so I.
Speaker 1: Spend every morning like that, and then after work I
Speaker 1: spend every evening reading in front of the fire, just
Speaker 1: with everything shut off, and listen to records and play
Speaker 1: classical music.
Speaker 3: And John, is it still crime books?
Speaker 5: No, but I've read all of Joe Grisham's novels now
Speaker 5: to give you a commission. Honestly, it was The Pelican Breathe,
Speaker 5: and I've read it was such a good book.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So what kind of books?
Speaker 1: I spend about seven hours a night reading every night,
Speaker 1: all sorts.
Speaker 2: I love books so much. At the moment, I go
Speaker 2: through phases, but at the moment I love.
Speaker 1: A story, like a really good, juicy story. And I've
Speaker 1: just finished reading Name of the Wind, which is so beautiful.
Speaker 1: If anyone want a beautiful, beautiful book. That's an amazing story.
Speaker 1: Read Name of the Wind. But before that was going
Speaker 1: through a true crime binge phase, So I was reading
Speaker 1: a lot of true crime.
Speaker 3: My favorites. I'm all about crime, and I think because
Speaker 3: my job is so joy focused and uplifting, like people
Speaker 3: find it so weird. They're like, what do you mean.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, serial killers really helped me go to
Speaker 3: sleep at night. Yeah, But I think because it is
Speaker 3: so different, it like pulls my brain away because I
Speaker 3: can't relate it to like fulfillment and purpose and life
Speaker 3: and joy and kindness. It's just so separate. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so tell me your favorites. I would like to write
Speaker 3: them down.
Speaker 1: The best way I've read is Midnight in the Garden
Speaker 1: of Good and Evil. I can't remember who wrote it
Speaker 1: it was I think it was written in the eighties.
Speaker 2: But it's so good. It's so good.
Speaker 3: I've never heard of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, please read it.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's a very old book, but it's
Speaker 1: about it's murder that's happened it was actually it's true.
Speaker 2: It's true crime from like you know, the eighties or
Speaker 2: the seventies.
Speaker 1: I'm probably really messing this up. There's old classics that
Speaker 1: everyone should read. It's so beautiful. It's written about this
Speaker 1: murder that happened in the Deep South and this reporter
Speaker 1: goes down there to investigate this and it's his account
Speaker 1: of his time and he goes to all these wild
Speaker 1: parties and everyone's like on LSD and.
Speaker 2: It's just incredible.
Speaker 1: And the other one I really liked was The Killer
Speaker 1: Beside Me, which is about.
Speaker 3: I think I have that somewhere.
Speaker 2: It's really good.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of other really good ones that I read.
Speaker 1: I really want to read The Trauma Cleaner.
Speaker 2: I haven't read it yet.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard of that.
Speaker 2: That's opposed to be incredible.
Speaker 1: It's written by an Australian woman who was a trauma cleaner,
Speaker 1: could go and clean up crime scenes. And my god,
Speaker 1: I heard a podcast with hair and I really want
Speaker 1: to read that. But I've just added my true crime
Speaker 1: face at the moment.
Speaker 2: But I'll have to get back into it.
Speaker 3: I never get out of that pace. I live in
Speaker 3: that phase. So I'm totally going to spend the rest
Speaker 3: of the week reading those books.
Speaker 2: You know. In the Garden of Good and Evil is
Speaker 2: one of those beautiful books.
Speaker 1: That your gift to people because it's so beautifully written
Speaker 1: as well, so it's got the true crime, but it's
Speaker 1: also like reading this beautiful book that's you know, it's beautiful,
Speaker 1: flowery language, and I just take you away to another place.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel so bad because like I always have
Speaker 3: recommendations on the show, and I'm like, this is really uplifting,
Speaker 3: it's meant to be really beautiful. You walk away feeling
Speaker 3: really happy, But there's all these murder recommendations.
Speaker 1: Calling The Wild Twin would be the one people should
Speaker 1: go and get. It's so small, so it's something you could.
Speaker 2: Read in a night, you know, then just be so
Speaker 2: inspired by that beautiful book.
Speaker 3: I'm always going to remember that The Wild Twin, And
Speaker 3: if I ever start to feel a bit like I've
Speaker 3: gone back into the productivity hamster will, I'm going to
Speaker 3: think of evoking my Wild Twin. That's such a good one.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
Speaker 3: Second last question three are interesting things about you that
Speaker 3: don't normally come up in conversation? And because you have
Speaker 3: such a cool and random story, you've probably said more
Speaker 3: already than most people do in it each episode. But
Speaker 3: what are some random things about you that like only
Speaker 3: someone who lived with you would know.
Speaker 1: I think people think that I'm this like wild vagabond,
Speaker 1: and I I am in some ways, like you know,
Speaker 1: I live on my.
Speaker 2: Own and I just wander the bush and read.
Speaker 1: But I don't drink really, I don't drink coffee. I
Speaker 1: don't eat glute or dairy like. I only eat very
Speaker 1: basic things. I can't handle lighting or crowds or noise,
Speaker 1: so I've got like a sensory sensitivity that kind of
Speaker 1: I start freaking out and melting down. So even physically
Speaker 1: I can't handle the modern world. I can't even eat
Speaker 1: the food.
Speaker 2: Or you know, it's really difficult for me.
Speaker 1: So often people will see me in a city and
Speaker 1: traveling somewhere and try and talk to me, but I'm
Speaker 1: always like I guess I'd probably come across quite rude
Speaker 1: because I'm just not coping.
Speaker 2: Like it's just something I'm not good at.
Speaker 3: That's so interesting. It's like you were born of another.
Speaker 2: Time, yes, I think so. Well, it wasn't socialized as
Speaker 2: a child properly or something.
Speaker 3: Those encyclopedias you were like decades before your time.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: I still, even though I can navigate around the ocean,
Speaker 1: I still can't tell my left from my right.
Speaker 2: I still have to hold my hans up to do.
Speaker 1: The L.
Speaker 3: Sailed the world alone, but that's fine. You don't know
Speaker 3: left and right? Great?
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I still can't spell, even though my book
Speaker 1: is I think it's been spell checked, so I think
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: I have not improved my spelling through that exercise.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're great. You're also like a really wonderful ambassador
Speaker 3: for solitude in a time where we really try and
Speaker 3: fill gaps and silences and even our incessant need to
Speaker 3: pull out our phone to pass the time when we're
Speaker 3: waiting two minutes for an uber or something like, you
Speaker 3: notice that you need to fill those spaces. And I
Speaker 3: think you're a really, really wonderful reminder that actually being
Speaker 3: in your own company is such a skill, but it's
Speaker 3: actually also very good for you.
Speaker 2: It is, and I have friends and a partner.
Speaker 1: But I've had to recently start going to the local
Speaker 1: cafe at least three times a week and just sit
Speaker 1: there for at least an hour around people, and I've
Speaker 1: been practicing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so cute. I have to practice
Speaker 3: not being alone.
Speaker 1: My owners don't know this been sure they'll listening to
Speaker 1: this fact. That's why she comes in here and just
Speaker 1: sits there on her own. I'm trying to desensitize myself too, Like.
Speaker 3: Taking you to puppy school, you know you have to
Speaker 3: socialize puppies with other puppies.
Speaker 2: I'm so embarrassed. That's how it is.
Speaker 3: No, But I also think that's another good reminder that
Speaker 3: like you know what suits you right, like your body
Speaker 3: gives you data and feedback on what environments suit you best.
Speaker 3: And I think what a lot of anxiety or chronic
Speaker 3: illness or just unhappiness is from is people forcing their
Speaker 3: personality type into situations constantly that are not suited to
Speaker 3: that personality type.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of people think that if
Speaker 1: they do what they.
Speaker 2: Told will bring happiness, that they'll be happy.
Speaker 1: So currently, I think what's trendy is moving to Tasmania,
Speaker 1: you know, having a shack or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I just people.
Speaker 1: Just follow what's in their heart, even if it's not trendy.
Speaker 1: I just think there's nothing that can match happiness.
Speaker 2: It really isn't. It's just what we're here to be.
Speaker 2: We're here to be happy.
Speaker 1: And you know, my mum always would say to when
Speaker 1: I was younger, and I never forgot it is that
Speaker 1: you don't take anything with you.
Speaker 2: You know, we all work so hard.
Speaker 1: For houses and cars and money in the bank, but
Speaker 1: none of it is coming with us, you know. I
Speaker 1: try and remember this that I don't really own this house.
Speaker 1: Someone else will own this one day. Just enjoy it.
Speaker 3: But I say that one all the time. I love
Speaker 3: it because we do get so focused on attachments to
Speaker 3: things that really, in this game of life don't matter.
Speaker 3: But like memories and joy and friendships, those things are
Speaker 3: like eternal and they're the things that matter, you know.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: Ah well, very last question to finish off, what is
Speaker 3: your favorite quote?
Speaker 2: I have so many. My current favorite is water off
Speaker 2: a duck's back.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that, especially since us you're rounded by
Speaker 3: lots of ducks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just all here sitting around my house. Because
Speaker 2: as I've.
Speaker 1: Gotten older, things have gotten easier, you know, like things
Speaker 1: that would have melted me down five years ago, I
Speaker 1: just think, oh, that's.
Speaker 2: Really funny that happened. I agree, I really, I really
Speaker 2: get it now.
Speaker 1: And when I was younger, my mum and my grandparents
Speaker 1: would say, when you get older, you know, you'll understand
Speaker 1: or things are easier, and I never really understood that.
Speaker 2: But as you do get older, things just do tend
Speaker 2: to get easier and nothing really matters at the end
Speaker 2: of the day.
Speaker 1: I've realized that everything just comes and goes, and we
Speaker 1: all worry too much.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, absolutely, what a beautiful way to finish.
Speaker 3: Thank you so so much for sharing your incredible story.
Speaker 3: I am one hundred percent hoping that there's some kind
Speaker 3: of movie producer or like epic storytelling person who can
Speaker 3: come and pick this up and turn it into a
Speaker 3: Hollywood oscar lining movie, because what an amazing journey and
Speaker 3: just so interesting. And I would love to say that
Speaker 3: I'm going to come to Captain's Rest, but I think
Speaker 3: I have to put my name on the list for
Speaker 3: like twenty twenty eight to come and visit.
Speaker 1: Twenty two from February, will have we have availability?
Speaker 3: Oh amazing. I'm actually literally going to go and put
Speaker 3: my name down right now.
Speaker 1: If you are someone who can plan, I just find
Speaker 1: that there's two types of people, people who.
Speaker 2: Plan their holidays for the next year and people who
Speaker 2: just can't. And I'm a just just can't type of person.
Speaker 2: So when I get bookings for twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I think, who are these amazing people who know what
Speaker 1: they're doing in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: No, it's just that they're willing to do whatever it
Speaker 3: takes to get an experience of Captain's rest. That's what
Speaker 3: You've created, something good enough that people will plan more
Speaker 3: than they ever would.
Speaker 2: I hope when you come, you see dolphins.
Speaker 1: See a whole lot of dolphins when you come, and
Speaker 1: you let me know if you do, because they do
Speaker 1: actually do a lat once a day.
Speaker 2: So you just have to be like flop out of
Speaker 2: the window and see them. They come in and they
Speaker 2: come in close and amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you so much. This has brought me
Speaker 3: so much. Yeah, and I'll include a link to the
Speaker 3: book which is out. What date is it officially out?
Speaker 2: Early September?
Speaker 1: It's that in Australia and then in other countries in
Speaker 1: the months rolling months after that.
Speaker 2: That would be amazing. My book is for everybody.
Speaker 1: It's about styling your own home in your own way
Speaker 1: and simple rules that you can use to do that
Speaker 1: that I teach my students and it's a really beautiful
Speaker 1: book and in fact a lot of my students are
Speaker 1: in it, so their spaces are so beautiful. I've used
Speaker 1: them in my book to demonstrate as examples of what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to teach, which is beautiful.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, the imagery in it is insane.
Speaker 2: I was just flicking.
Speaker 3: Through it like this is going to be really bad
Speaker 3: for my renovation budget. I was so excited.
Speaker 1: I just wanting out, Well, my next class comes out
Speaker 1: in September with the book. It'll be an online class
Speaker 1: anyone can do around the world, and it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: We're shooting in the same space as we shot the book.
Speaker 1: Oh amazing, in the same style, So don't renolate too
Speaker 1: much until we come and study.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, my pleasure.
Speaker 3: Well that was a first of many for this podcast.
Speaker 3: First Spatial Scientist shipwrecked Sailor and Global Airbnb Authority, and
Speaker 3: what a fascinating ride it was. You know, I'm a
Speaker 3: sucker for a niche community or a world I know
Speaker 3: nothing about, and I could feel my brain just expanding
Speaker 3: as I listened to Sarah. What a shining example of
Speaker 3: embracing solitude, never losing sight of your wild twin and
Speaker 3: life having so many surprises in store for you that
Speaker 3: you never dreamed could be just around the corner, as promised.
Speaker 3: The links to her new book, which is on pre sale,
Speaker 3: as well as Captain's Rest and her master classes are
Speaker 3: in the show notes. Please shower Sarah with love if
Speaker 3: it feels right to share the episode and at Captain's Rest,
Speaker 3: but also just jump on over to indulge in the
Speaker 3: interior design porn. It is a pure delight. I can't
Speaker 3: believe where in July already. I feel like half of
Speaker 3: this show is just me exclaiming how quickly time is
Speaker 3: passing week to week. I hope you're all having a
Speaker 3: wonderful couple of days and are seizing your yay