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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 3: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 3: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 3: Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneurs

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Speaker 3: Today's guest is the perfect example of that whose incredible

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Speaker 3: But what I loved hearing the most was the roller

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Speaker 1: So I had some engine problems and then there's really

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00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: unexpected weather came in and it was just the worse

444
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: weather I've.

445
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 2: Ever been in, and I had some ripped sails, so

446
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: it was just sort of one thing after another. But

447
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: I ended up hitting something as well, which is so

448
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 2: rare in the middle of the ocean.

449
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: It does happen, but it's very very rare, and it's

450
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: usually either a sleeping whale or a pinnacle rock or

451
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: a shipping container that's fallen off a boat and they

452
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 1: float just underneath the water. You can't see them.

453
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 3: Wow.

454
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: So I ended up hitting something like that, and it

455
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: was awful. It was like one in the morning and

456
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: no moon, and it's so dark that you can't even

457
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: describe the darkness, and it's like being in a cave.

458
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: And you're just trying to work things out, you know.

459
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: So I ended up setting off my EPERB, which is

460
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: like an emergency positioning beacon. But I'd bought it secondhand,

461
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to like flip a little switch and

462
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: push a button and then it's supposed to the button's

463
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: supposed to like pulsate a color so you know that

464
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: it's worked. The button didn't, nothing lit up. I was like,

465
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've bought this secondhand. I tried to

466
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: save it a few hundred dollars.

467
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 3: And now I'm going to I ruin my life forever

468
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: or no.

469
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: So I spent yeah, the next six or seven hours

470
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: trying to get closer to shore and keep the boat

471
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Speaker 1: afloat and radio for help, but no one came.

472
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: That's terrifying.

473
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I ended up getting the boat close

474
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: enough to shore. I didn't know it at the time

475
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: because it was the middle of the night, but I

476
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: ended up sort of lodging my boat in some other

477
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: rocks where it could just sort of stay and that

478
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: we kind of could just stay there.

479
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 2: And then eventually the Mexican Navy got to us.

480
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: Because I was with I found a guy the day

481
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: I left to help me sail this boat to the

482
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: next spot.

483
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: This random guy I didn't know it was like, yeah,

484
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: I mean I'm a great sailor. I'm happy to help

485
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: you steer the boat to this spot.

486
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: And I took him on board, but within like twenty

487
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: minutes he was so seasick. I didn't see him again

488
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: until I hit whatever I hit, and then I was

489
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: sort of he was freaking out, so I was trying

490
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: to keep him calm while I was trying to save

491
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: the boat and myself and a little bit of a disaster,

492
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: but we ended up getting rescued.

493
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: Did you say the Mexican Navy found you?

494
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: Mexican Navy, Yes, they all eventually arrived and me out

495
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: of the water I was and the water at that

496
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: stage in the water, yeah, it was.

497
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: It was like a full ship wreck like.

498
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: Wreck.

499
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: Okay, but actually, how has no one made a movie

500
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: about you yet?

501
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: Truly?

502
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 3: It's coming. I want to watch it right now.

503
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: It was really, really amazing. I thought I was going

504
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: to die. I really did. And you know, that's a

505
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: special experience in itself.

506
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was really They didn't know what to do

507
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: with us because I didn't have anything, no money, no passport,

508
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: no visa to be in Mexico, no shoes, nothing, no shoes,

509
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: my god.

510
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: No underpants. I just rang.

511
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: I remember just wearing I was doing a track suit

512
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: and a life jacket and that's all we had.

513
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: Everything I had.

514
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: So at a later point I found out there was

515
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: many discussions with the Navy and the locals about what

516
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: they were going to do because they didn't know what

517
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: to do.

518
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: So this little.

519
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: Village ended up like adopting me, and they gave me

520
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: this little house on the beach, and they gave me

521
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: a pet donkey and a pet cat, and they just thought, well,

522
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: we'll just keep her it. We'll just keep her and

523
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: I can figure it out. So I lived on this

524
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: little beach for about I think nearly six months, maybe

525
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: it was a bit longer, with no shoes or underpants

526
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: or toothbrush or food. It was only had three sides

527
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 1: in a dirt floor and a fire to cook. And

528
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: then I had like big bottles of water that locals

529
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: would refill for me for drinking and washing. And then

530
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: I just foraged on the reef at the front of

531
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: my house for mussels and foraged to eat.

532
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: That's how I survived.

533
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: And you know, every time and then a local woul

534
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: drop me off a fish or some oysters or some

535
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: that'vite me over for some dinner, that I just lived

536
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: like the past away.

537
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: But how funny I would love to know now looking

538
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: back your reflections on happiness, looking at you with nothing,

539
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: living as a castaway, versus you when you had everything

540
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 3: that everyone thinks you should want a few years beforehand.

541
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good question. Because I didn't want

542
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: to leave because I was really traumatized by what happened.

543
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: I didn't want to speak about it, and I knew

544
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: that as soon as I left and went home, everybody

545
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: all they wanted to do was talk about what had happened,

546
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: because it was, you know, it was world news at

547
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: the time. Everybody knew, even people who.

548
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: Didn't even know I was sailing.

549
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: And you know, I've only just been able to start

550
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: talking about it in the last couple of years, and

551
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: it's been ten or fifteen years.

552
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: Now, you know.

553
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: So, But I remember just being so happy, and I

554
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: think it's because I was my wild twin.

555
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: I was just she was fully unline by then.

556
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: The place I lived in Mexico wasn't anywhere close to it.

557
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: It was on the bar house. It's very remote.

558
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Just basically every couple of hundred colimeters is a tiny

559
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: fishing village, and I would just walk the desert mountains

560
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: in one direction until like I could feel like the

561
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: sun was overhead, and then I would turn around and

562
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: follow my footprints back again. And that's how I spent

563
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: my time. And one of the locals gave me this

564
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: one John Grisham novel with English that.

565
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: You read over and over again. Oh my gosh, that's amazing.

566
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: You'll have to write to John Grisham and tell him.

567
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: I had some friends who were living in LA and

568
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: they managed to get me a care parcel down through

569
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: the chain of backpackers and people I knew in Mexico.

570
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: I think it went.

571
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: Throughout seven different hands, and it had two disposable cameras,

572
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: a bottle of whiskey, and some underpants and.

573
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: I still have photos.

574
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: So I managed to take some disposable photos of like

575
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: my house and my cat and how I ate and

576
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: how I lived.

577
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: Little candles for light at nighttime and things like that.

578
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 3: So it's so strange when I reflect on like the

579
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: most unburdened happy times in my life, and they've all

580
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 3: been out in very sparse conditions, like with very little

581
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: and for some reason that almost it's because of that

582
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: sparsity and like simplicity that you feel joy in a

583
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: way you don't ever feel it when there's so much noise.

584
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: It's so interesting.

585
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the locals offered me to stay.

586
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, in the village that I was in, you

587
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: couldn't really buy a house. You were kind of given

588
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: one nice like you can't just get on real estate

589
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: dot Com.

590
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's a nice house. You just.

591
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: The town has to kind of like, well we want her,

592
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: we don't And then they're like, you can have this house,

593
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: or there's an island over there with a house, you

594
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: could have that house. But I just felt like, oh,

595
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a cop out, Like I didn't

596
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: feel done with my life to grow old in Mexico

597
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: with you know, I.

598
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: Just I was do at like twenty six at that time.

599
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: I think, oh my gosh, you were so young.

600
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to at some point go home.

601
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: So I did.

602
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: Wow, And what do you think sparked that? Like, I

603
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: feel like people chase the feeling that you would have

604
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: had there and then for you to actually find that

605
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: kind of liberation and joy, Like I think people often wonder,

606
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: how do I know when my next chapter is coming,

607
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: because life is so cyclical and it is so baby steps.

608
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: But how do you know when it's like it's time

609
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: to go home? How did you figure that out?

610
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: I just felt ready.

611
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: A big part of me was probably processing what had

612
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: happened because it was so traumatic and quick, and I

613
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: just felt ready to go back and talk about it

614
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: and then figure out what was next. I knew I

615
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: couldn't stay there forever, but six.

616
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: Months a really long time to live on a Mexican beach. Yeah,

617
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: it's a really long time actually, So it felt like

618
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: he is to me. It felt like he is, and

619
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: I was so brown and healthy.

620
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: And I think also the swine flues another pandemic had started,

621
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: and it felt dangerous to be there. And it worked

622
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: out that like legal situation to get me out, with

623
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: different documents and things like that. So it sort of

624
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: all just came together in the right time for me, like,

625
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: all right, well it's probably now never to make a

626
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: break out of here. Wow.

627
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: And again, this is why I love this section so much,

628
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: because it's like most people have heard of you because

629
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: of Captain's Rest, which we haven't even gotten to yet,

630
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: and you've already lived a movie worth of life. So

631
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: you're talking about going on real estate, dot com putity,

632
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: even finding a house and being like I'm going to

633
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: buy that. Talk us through the next chapter, which led

634
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: to Strawn in Tazzi, which again, so my husband's from Devonport,

635
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: he knows Straw and intimately we were kind of surprised

636
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: that someone who had been so global and had no connection,

637
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: like no roots to Tasmania would end up in Straw

638
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: in of all places. How did that happen?

639
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Well, I got back to Australia and you know, I'd

640
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: lived this amazing life and an adventure for years at

641
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: that point, and I was staring straight back into Melbourne,

642
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: into university. So I decided that I would retrain to

643
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: him a designer. I didn't care whether I got a

644
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: job afterwards or not. I just thought I didn't care anymore.

645
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I just want to be happy and to do what

646
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: I really love to do. And it was a really

647
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: confronting experience going from the life i'd lived for years

648
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: to you know, brunches and trams and where you live

649
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: and who are your parents and that kind of very

650
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: different society.

651
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: And I really struggled, like I really struggled.

652
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: You know, people would would have coffee or hang out

653
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: with friends, and then to be talking about I don't

654
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: know whatever it is that just it just all felt

655
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: so meaningless to me.

656
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: I just got so disconnected from society, and.

657
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I guess it was I was probably suffering from some PTSD,

658
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: but I was also had found my wild twin and

659
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: didn't know how to reintegrate into society. So I just

660
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: kind of muscled my way through.

661
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: I just went to UNI, and.

662
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: Then I got a job, and then I started my

663
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: own design studio, and then I hustled for work, and

664
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, I got a mortgage, and then within a

665
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: couple of years my life had just tumbled back into

666
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: this modern western model that we were all taught.

667
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: You know, I met, I met someone, I married them.

668
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, we had a dog, and I just blinked,

669
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: and I was just so unhappy, and I just thought,

670
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: what has happened?

671
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: I worked so hard to break free.

672
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: And find a life that suited me, and then I

673
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: gave up on it. Anyway, I was reading a magazine

674
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: and there was this article about the west coast of

675
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: Tasmania about how like, you know, these beautiful landscapes that

676
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: were just like mountains and missed and described it as

677
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: like almost like a mortal like quality where it doesn't

678
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: feel like any human had ever lived there and never will,

679
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: and the remoteness of it, and how no one ever

680
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: visits there, and it's.

681
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: Called the wild West among Tasmanians.

682
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just thought, you know what, like, I

683
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: just need to get out of here.

684
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: I just need to get out of here.

685
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: And they showed my shack and a little insert picture,

686
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: so there was like the jetty and my shack, and

687
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: I just thought, God, wouldn't it be nice just to

688
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: be there and just forget about the world and I

689
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: could work from here. And that was my answer. And

690
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: that's why it's called Captain's Rest, because I hadn't had

691
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: a chance to stop and really process what had happened

692
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: or designed my life the way I wanted it to.

693
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: I just needed to survive because I had no money

694
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: or anything going on back in our modern world.

695
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: So I just got on real estate and the shack

696
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: was for sale.

697
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: It'd been for sale for five years, but I think

698
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: it was eighty eight thousand something like that.

699
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: So I rang up the real estate agent and I

700
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: bought it. I just bought it.

701
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I've just kind of moved to

702
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: the part time and then live in the modern world

703
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: part time as well. That was my grand plan about

704
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: how I was going to make this work. And I'd

705
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: always been drawn to Tasmania. I'd always wanted a house here,

706
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: and everyone just was always like, why would.

707
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: You want to live in Tasmania. It's an awful place

708
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 2: live there leave. I'd had a girlfriend who was from

709
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: Tasmania in the previous years and she was just hanging it.

710
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: What an awful place it was. No, I did a

711
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: beautiful part of the word. It's known that way now.

712
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: But when I bought this place, it was just not

713
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: a popular place to be, not trying.

714
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: I didn't care.

715
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Neither was Mexico, you know, like I didn't really mind.

716
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be in the elements.

717
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: On my own.

718
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: And while I was renovating this place, I ended up

719
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: getting very sick. But also at the same time I

720
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: got a bit of a divorce from you know, it

721
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: just all fell apart. Some secrets were unearthed, I guess

722
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: on my partner's fort like half, and it all just

723
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: came such a big shock to me that it was

724
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: incredible how quickly my life fell apart In about a month.

725
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: You know, I was just so sick.

726
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: I was didn't ever anyway to live, ended up going

727
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: through this very nasty financial separation.

728
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: It was just all so much.

729
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: When it rains, it pourse it does.

730
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my plan about living here, I guess didn't

731
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: work out.

732
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: I had to rent it out as an Airbnb to

733
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: pay my own way. It was the only income I

734
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: had at the time, and so I really had to

735
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: make it work. But I'd had this background in science

736
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: and in design, but also in this science where I

737
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: could go into any field and work it out scientifically

738
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: how it was done. So I really threw myself into

739
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: the science of hosting, the science of marketing, the science

740
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: of tourism. And because I needed to make my business work,

741
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: and because I needed I wanted to survive.

742
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: I didn't want to take me down, and I guess

743
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 2: fast forward it worked. It was.

744
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: I remember the locals here said to me, I'll never

745
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: forget that, like no one ever comes here, You've never

746
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: ever rented out. They said, you might get Christmas in

747
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: New Year rented, but that's it, Like you won't even

748
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: be able to rent it as a rental, and like

749
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: now it's I think there's twice weekly flights SI Strong,

750
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: and we've got this entire industry around Captain's Rest.

751
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: It's quite amazing. But yeah, it's interesting what you can do.

752
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Sarah, what a story. Yeah, my gosh,

753
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: this is so fascinating and exciting and heart wrenching and heartwarming.

754
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: I feel like I need to like have a little

755
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 3: lie down to just process it all. Wow, oh my gosh.

756
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean again, just to reiterate. People who walk into

757
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: anyone's life right now and see Captain's Rest and see

758
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: all the highlights and the new master class is coming out,

759
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: and the published author can so easily underestimate all of

760
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: the like nothing is an overnight success. There have been

761
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: so many ups and downs to get you here.

762
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I worked so hard, and it wasn't just like

763
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: I put it on AMBMB and people were like, oh wow,

764
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: it's amazing. It became really successful, like it was work

765
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: and it was all by design. And it was because

766
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: I worked so hard doing the right things that I

767
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: was able to build my own business, but also build

768
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: the business so big that people who wanted to come

769
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: and experience this couldn't even get in. So now I

770
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: built the whole town around me is so busy because

771
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: everyone knows.

772
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: That Captain Stress and just wants to come for the experience.

773
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: And it's incredible. Oh my god. You know we're booked

774
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: out every night of the year.

775
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

776
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's that's never Yeah, so it's always probably

777
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: about six to nine month booked in advance.

778
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: Wow. Amazing.

779
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: The only reason I'm here right now is because if

780
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: we had a Sydney booking and I thought, oh buger,

781
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm going.

782
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: For so long, you probably kind of even get yourself

783
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: in there's.

784
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: This is the first time in a year. I've been

785
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: here a year. Wow. And the reason I was here

786
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: last year is because of Lockdown. So I spent Lockdown here,

787
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: which was.

788
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: Awesome, Oh my god, with pods of dolphins, I mean,

789
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: how glorious.

790
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.

791
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: Well, before we move on to what you've then been

792
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: able to turn that whole experience into, as well as

793
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: building pretty much a whole town around this beautiful Airbnb,

794
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: I want to just touch on the money side as well,

795
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 3: because I think sometimes that's another part that we skate over,

796
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: partly because I was brought up. I don't know if

797
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: you were the same with the idea that you don't

798
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: talk about money, politics, and religion. But I think that

799
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: also means we skate over parts of people's stories that

800
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: could be really helpful to other people who were earlier

801
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: on in their pathway. How did you like? It's alarming

802
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: that you could buy something that now is what it

803
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: is for eighty thousand, But eighty thousand is also a

804
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 3: lot of money when you've been also traveling and bought

805
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: your own boat. I think it sounds like, oh, I

806
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: just had money and I just financially worked myself out.

807
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: But I'm sure it wasn't like that.

808
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't like that. So I had I had

809
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: about ten thousand dollars in savings.

810
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: So I paid the deposit of his house, which was

811
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars, so ten percent deposit.

812
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: And an eight dollars deposit. My Melbourne brain is like, what.

813
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't forget.

814
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: This was supposed to be my holiday home, you know,

815
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: and I was going to renovate it a little bit

816
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: and spend part of the year down here, you know,

817
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: working by the fire and watching the dolphins, and you know,

818
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: pay the I think it was six hundred dollars mortgage

819
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: a month or something.

820
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: Like that. That was my plan. Renovations ended up costing

821
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: me about forty thousand dollars and I did them all on.

822
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: Credit card, so I didn't have to say I do

823
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: not recommend anyone do this, But when anyone who's renovated

824
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 4: a house or no, once you get started off just

825
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: a lick of pain, then the windows need to change,

826
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 4: then the floor needs to be.

827
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: Done, and the lights, like it just goes on and on.

828
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: It's really hard to hold back. So I spent that

829
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: on credit card, and then when I got this horrible divorce,

830
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: I essentially had to pay out my partner the worth

831
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: of this place as well. So wow, I had to

832
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: pay out it was almost one hundred thousand dollars as well.

833
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: So all I was left with was this mortgage, a

834
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: credit card bill, one hundred thousand dollar debt to my ex,

835
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: no car, nothing. So I think what people don't realize

836
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: is it wasn't just a credit card debt an eight

837
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: thousand dollars deposit, but I also had to pay this

838
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 1: nasty divorce settlement which I just had to work really

839
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: hard and pay off like.

840
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: It was not easy.

841
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: And I think the ABC did an article about Airbnb's

842
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when they interviewed me and

843
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: they wanted to know specifics like how much it makes

844
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: a year and how much I paid for it and animated,

845
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: and they glossed over those details, and everyone on Facebook

846
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: was just so nasty, like, you know, who has given

847
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: her the money to do there? She's obviously had an

848
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: inheritance and just a little rich white girl.

849
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: And the opposite was true.

850
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: I was so had nothing, and I just had to

851
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: work really hard to make this work because I had to.

852
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: I had no other choice.

853
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: And that's why I think it's so important to cover that,

854
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: because I think that is probably the assumption that a

855
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: lot of people make about most people's stories, because we

856
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: don't get into the needy gritty of that. But it's

857
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: also really once you do hear it's so inspiring and

858
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: reassuring that you can come back from overseas where you

859
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of savings when you arrive home

860
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: and you can feel behind and in debt, and many

861
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: people probably feel that right now, but you can get

862
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: ahead if you just chip away over time.

863
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so many of my students now we're

864
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: in the same position as me.

865
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: As I was, and I encourage them all to go.

866
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: And find areas of the world that aren't popular and

867
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: discover them or explore them, because there are so many

868
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: pockets of the world in Australia that are incredible and

869
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: beautiful and affordable, not just in Tasmania but all over

870
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: the place. But we just all have this mindset that

871
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: we want to live where everyone else is talking about

872
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: were living, instead of trying something new.

873
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: And I think if you're brave enough to try something new,

874
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: you can bring people to you. You know. I've had

875
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: so many successful students.

876
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: Who have bought little shacks in the middle of nowhere

877
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: where no one ever goes, and they've all.

878
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: Been crazy successful like I was.

879
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: They've all been able to build their own audience and

880
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: showcase the beauty that's around them too, and draw people

881
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: out of the cities to go an adventure to find them.

882
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: I always say, someone out there is looking for exactly

883
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: what you have, so if you try and be someone else,

884
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: you're actually depriving those people of the thing they're looking for.

885
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: And if you just trust, like there's obviously a huge,

886
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: huge portion of the population like yourself, who don't want

887
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: to go where's trendy and where everyone else is going.

888
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: And you also mentioned your students, which is amazing. Tell

889
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 3: us about how you've become a teacher and have launched

890
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 3: your own master classes for the sciences of hosting.

891
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I started them about three or four years

892
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: ago now, and that's my main jobs. I don't run

893
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: Captain's Rest anymore. I have a team of people who

894
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: work for me with my masterclass and my business and

895
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: they run Captains Rest now for me.

896
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: But when Captains Rest hit the success, it did the

897
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 2: whole Australia took notice. They were just so, how did

898
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: she do this?

899
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Like our industry then, it wasn't like it was now

900
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: where there was lots of different airbnbs. It was just

901
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: sort of like three or four really famous ones and

902
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: some really well known hotels. And I just came out

903
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: of nowhere and just you know, became this overnight success.

904
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: And I had so many people get in touch. You know,

905
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: how did you do that? Can you give us some advice?

906
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: Can you come and work on my place?

907
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: You know? Can you do my marketing for me? And

908
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: I did a couple of odd jobs. What I realized

909
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: I was doing is just teaching them my method in

910
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: all the different areas.

911
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: So overhosting there's really ten different areas like you know

912
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: what to buy, who your audience is, pricing, styling, all

913
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: the way through to like management, marketing, or the business

914
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: side of things. So I'd really cracked the coat on

915
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: all of these specific areas. So I realized I was

916
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: actually just teaching my clients for a lot of money,

917
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: one on one, this formula that I had and applying

918
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: it to them and their property in their audience.

919
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: So it got to the point.

920
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: Where I was probably getting about five emails or dms

921
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: a day of just desperate people like I bought this

922
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: beautiful house, We're losing money.

923
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to lose this house, and we don't

924
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: make it successful.

925
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: And they weren't just people who were well off who

926
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: wanted a beautiful place.

927
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: They were real people who were struggling.

928
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: They had these homes that they loved, and they loved

929
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: more more than just what they were to other people.

930
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: They'd had there were their grandma's houses, or they were

931
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: their dreams. I've always had a holiday house. And could

932
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: I help them? But they didn't have any money to

933
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: pay me. So I decided I'd put on three workshops

934
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: they could come, I wou teach my methods and then

935
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: that would be I would go back to Captain's Rest

936
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: and that would be the end of that. But they

937
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: were amazing, and we had about forty people come to

938
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: the three classes, maybe fifty, but then they all went

939
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: off and became so successful, and then everyone's like, wow,

940
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: all these people who have an angel It with Sarah

941
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: have become ridiculously successful.

942
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: So it just grew from there.

943
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: It became huge, and now I teach people all over

944
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: the world.

945
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, and.

946
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: It's well known as like I'm the expert in hosting

947
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: in the world. It's incredible, and so I spend most

948
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: of my time on Zoom teaching or writing. I've just

949
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: got to the point where I found that all of

950
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: our students were so successful. We started having people come

951
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: just for their businesses and just for their interiors. So

952
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: I've just started creating another course just for them, because yeah,

953
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: they're not there at all for hosting, but they just

954
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: recognize how successful people who'd come were and they just

955
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: wanted to know why.

956
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: So it's just grown and grown and grown.

957
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: Oh, Mid And like I always think, you know, talking

958
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: to twenty six year old you on Avshi in Mexico. Like, no,

959
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: you could not probably have convinced you that you would

960
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: be the world's foremost expert on something that you had

961
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: never probably ever had a finger in any pie related

962
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: to hosting or airbnbus or design or anything like how crazy.

963
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: No, I never thought i'd end up here, but I

964
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: didn't really have an idea and where I would end up.

965
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: You know, I was always searching or I just didn't

966
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: have a clear understanding of what it was I was

967
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing.

968
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: But I know every day when I teach my students

969
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: that this is what it.

970
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: All was for, and this is why I was here,

971
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: This is what I'm here to do because honestly, like

972
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: we still do our face to face classes, maybe like

973
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: once or twice a year, because I just love doing

974
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: them because I'm with everybody.

975
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: But you know, people leave the class crying and You've

976
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: changed my life.

977
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: And then I go out and I see them on

978
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: the covers of magazines and they write to me and like,

979
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: this is everything I've ever wanted. You know, I've read

980
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: this magazine since I was nineteen years old, and now

981
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm on the cover, and you know, I was before

982
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit I was traveling in Europe and there

983
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: wasn't one magazine I could pick up without seeing a

984
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: student in it. Anywhere that I went. I'd always went

985
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: to a Newsagian scene and flick. I'm like, oh, there's

986
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: like so and so in Scotland and there's so and so,

987
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: and they're all just people like me who never thought

988
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: they could. And it's just the best thing I've ever

989
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: done by far.

990
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: Oh it's a crowd congratulations. I mean that gives me goosebumps.

991
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 3: It's just such a beautiful, beautiful story. And he's only

992
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: really just beginning. I mean, you've just published a book,

993
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: Like I feel like there are so any ways that

994
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 3: this is just the launch pad for more wonderful things

995
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 3: that are going to come from you and your students.

996
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: But it's funny that you said like it all came

997
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: from people who thought that they couldn't. And we've kind

998
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: of weaved in the n ATA, which is the next

999
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: section that's all about sort of the challenges along the way,

1000
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: which you've touched on many but self doubt is a

1001
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 3: really really big one, particularly when you don't have money

1002
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: backing you, or you don't have like twenty five years

1003
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: of study or experience in a particular area, and you

1004
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: are going out to do something that not many people

1005
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: have done, and locals are telling you isn't going to work,

1006
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: let alone your own in a critic, What advice do

1007
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: you have for I mean, anyone really who's in an

1008
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: earlier chapter, like the equivalent of what you were doing

1009
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: traveling the world just lost unsure or earlier on in

1010
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: their business where they have that chatter of like I

1011
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: can't do this, like this isn't going to work. I'm

1012
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 3: not you know who am I to do this? And

1013
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 3: then end up being a global expert Like what words

1014
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: would you say to either younger you or anyone else?

1015
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: Sort of on that pathway.

1016
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: Quite a lot to say on this subject, because I

1017
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: see it in everybody I teach, and I see it

1018
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: in myself too. So I have the pleasure of having

1019
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty people sit in front of me every

1020
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: week and watching them come in terrified, like thinking, oh,

1021
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough to be here, and I'm surely

1022
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: I can't create something as good as all these other

1023
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: students that Sarah has, and I sometimes have to sit

1024
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: down with them and I said, well, who do you

1025
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: admire and they show me their Instagram accounts and I'll say, well,

1026
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: though they're a student, and she cried in the first

1027
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: day that she came in here, And everyone starts from

1028
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: the same position, and we all start with that self

1029
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: doubt and we probably all still have it every day.

1030
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: I mean, when I got my book deal, my contract,

1031
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 1: I just tell the biggest impostor, like I to write

1032
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: a book.

1033
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: The shelves around the world, and.

1034
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: Like, why would anyone be interested in what I have

1035
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: to say about design? And you know, I admire so

1036
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: many incredible designers around the world, and my book is

1037
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: going to be sitting along next.

1038
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: To their there are, and we'll work in their voice,

1039
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: you know, for a long time.

1040
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: And I feel exactly the same as whoever is out

1041
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: there listening to this, thinking, oh I'm not I don't

1042
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: know if I'm good enough to do whatever it is.

1043
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: So when I first started in the hosting industry but

1044
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: also teaching it, you know, I wasn't going out to

1045
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: host and I wasn't even going out to teach, like

1046
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: both of these things that I ended up doing, which

1047
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: just I guess fate, they were fated for me, but

1048
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: they weren't my intention. I got a lot of criticism

1049
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: because I'm very young, and well, I'm probably not, but

1050
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: I felt like I was very un you are, You've

1051
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: lived a lot of time, was and I got a

1052
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: lot of criticism by older people in the industry who

1053
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: hadn't had the same amount of success as quickly as

1054
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: I had, so it was quite nasty.

1055
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: I was bullied. Lots of really awful things happen, which

1056
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go into. It's just sort of school yard stuff,

1057
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: but it.

1058
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Really cut me down and it made me feel I

1059
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: guess the intention was to put me in my place,

1060
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: and like, you know, who are you to teach people

1061
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: and you know, be so successful if you haven't really

1062
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: earned it. And I really was quite upset about this

1063
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: for years.

1064
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: I couldn't find the answer.

1065
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: I just kind of muscled through and I was like, well,

1066
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing because

1067
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: I love it, and you know, it kept being successful

1068
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: and everyone was happy, and all my class students are

1069
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: really successful. But I found this meditation teacher that I

1070
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: interviewed in London the last time I was there, and

1071
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: I said to her, how do.

1072
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: You deal with criticism? Because it's just eating me up inside?

1073
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: This feeling I have.

1074
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: Of not being good enough and people tell you that,

1075
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, it really hurts me, and how do I

1076
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: feel okay about it? And she said to me, She's

1077
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: like Sarah, everybody gets criticized for everything that they do.

1078
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: So if you just quit all of your businesses into

1079
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: sat in a room, you'd be criticized for that by

1080
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: somebody or out there listening who isn't starting their business

1081
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: or quiting their job to follow their passion. They'll be

1082
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: criticized for not doing it, you know, as they'll be

1083
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: criticized or why don't you quit the job back?

1084
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: You haven't got the.

1085
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: Guts to do it, you know. So I think, as

1086
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: soon as I realize it, no matter what it is

1087
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: I was out there doing, if I was working at Wallace,

1088
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: someone would criticize me for that because I'm too old

1089
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: to be doing a job like that, or I've got

1090
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: a degree I should be aiming higher. So it clicked

1091
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: for me that it didn't matter because I'm going to

1092
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: get it that regardless.

1093
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: So that really helped me a lot.

1094
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: That's such a good point. You can't please everyone. There

1095
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 3: will always be someone who's got something to say about

1096
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 3: what you're doing It's always about them and not about

1097
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: you anyway. But oh yeah, it's like, if I'm going

1098
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: to get hate for doing something I don't like, I

1099
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: might as well get hate for something that I do like.

1100
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 3: It's going to come out of the way. I might

1101
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: as well just do what I want to do.

1102
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think now I'm older, I have perspective on it.

1103
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: You can, I can see that that I understand why

1104
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: I was criticized.

1105
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: Because of other people's insecurities about them selves and their

1106
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: own choices. And now I don't ever think about it.

1107
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: Makes me laugh that I was so concerned with it. Yeah,

1108
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: it's you need to have different perspectives sometimes.

1109
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: I think that's so true. I think it's definitely one

1110
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: of those things that just comes with age. Like there's

1111
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: so much angst earlier on in the journey, and then

1112
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: you just get to that point where you're like, eh,

1113
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, or the only person whose opinion that does

1114
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: other people you actually care about who are around you.

1115
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's right.

1116
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: I think all my students and all of my guests

1117
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: are just you know, thriving, and why would why other

1118
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: people would.

1119
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: Think about that totally. So the last section is called Playta,

1120
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: which is the section where we kind of strip back

1121
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: everything we've spoken about and finding your purpose and your

1122
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: passion and particularly when you do love your job and

1123
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: when it does allow you a bit of a non

1124
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: conventional like work life structure. I think it's really hard

1125
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 3: for people to have any kind of boundaries for downtime

1126
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: or the captain getting rest in this case. But I

1127
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 3: think it's you're better what you do. And it's also

1128
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 3: important to never get to the end of your life

1129
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: and think, Wow, I worked and died and that's all

1130
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: I did. There's such a thing as pleasure and hobbies

1131
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 3: and doing things that help you forget what the time

1132
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: is or just detach completely from the to do list,

1133
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: which I imagine having, you know, had your experiences in

1134
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: Mexico and then living out and you know, the wild

1135
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: West of Tazzy, that you'd probably be better than most

1136
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 3: people are doing this. But what are some things you

1137
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: do just for joy that aren't related to teaching or

1138
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: designing or hosting or bettering yourself, that are just for fun.

1139
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: I'm a really boring person. I love to go for

1140
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: a walk.

1141
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 3: You think you're boring, But that's the most interesting story

1142
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: I've heard in a long time.

1143
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: I love walking.

1144
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: I don't live here at Captain Stress, obviously, I live

1145
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: in another part of Tasmi, but it's equally as beautiful.

1146
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: I live in a beautiful house on the water, and

1147
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: I wake up every morning and I walk on all the.

1148
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: Farm and the coastline around me.

1149
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: So I walk for about an hour too every day,

1150
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: and the bush.

1151
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: I pick up, you know, starfish and seaweed. And so I.

1152
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: Spend every morning like that, and then after work I

1153
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: spend every evening reading in front of the fire, just

1154
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: with everything shut off, and listen to records and play

1155
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: classical music.

1156
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: And John, is it still crime books?

1157
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 5: No, but I've read all of Joe Grisham's novels now

1158
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 5: to give you a commission. Honestly, it was The Pelican Breathe,

1159
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 5: and I've read it was such a good book.

1160
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So what kind of books?

1161
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: I spend about seven hours a night reading every night,

1162
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: all sorts.

1163
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: I love books so much. At the moment, I go

1164
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: through phases, but at the moment I love.

1165
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: A story, like a really good, juicy story. And I've

1166
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: just finished reading Name of the Wind, which is so beautiful.

1167
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: If anyone want a beautiful, beautiful book. That's an amazing story.

1168
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Read Name of the Wind. But before that was going

1169
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: through a true crime binge phase, So I was reading

1170
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: a lot of true crime.

1171
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 3: My favorites. I'm all about crime, and I think because

1172
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: my job is so joy focused and uplifting, like people

1173
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 3: find it so weird. They're like, what do you mean.

1174
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, serial killers really helped me go to

1175
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 3: sleep at night. Yeah, But I think because it is

1176
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 3: so different, it like pulls my brain away because I

1177
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: can't relate it to like fulfillment and purpose and life

1178
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: and joy and kindness. It's just so separate. But yeah,

1179
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: so tell me your favorites. I would like to write

1180
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 3: them down.

1181
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: The best way I've read is Midnight in the Garden

1182
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: of Good and Evil. I can't remember who wrote it

1183
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: it was I think it was written in the eighties.

1184
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: But it's so good. It's so good.

1185
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 3: I've never heard of it.

1186
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: Yes, please read it.

1187
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's a very old book, but it's

1188
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: about it's murder that's happened it was actually it's true.

1189
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 2: It's true crime from like you know, the eighties or

1190
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 2: the seventies.

1191
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm probably really messing this up. There's old classics that

1192
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: everyone should read. It's so beautiful. It's written about this

1193
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: murder that happened in the Deep South and this reporter

1194
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: goes down there to investigate this and it's his account

1195
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: of his time and he goes to all these wild

1196
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: parties and everyone's like on LSD and.

1197
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: It's just incredible.

1198
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: And the other one I really liked was The Killer

1199
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: Beside Me, which is about.

1200
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: I think I have that somewhere.

1201
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 2: It's really good.

1202
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: There's a couple of other really good ones that I read.

1203
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: I really want to read The Trauma Cleaner.

1204
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: I haven't read it yet.

1205
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 3: I haven't heard of that.

1206
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: That's opposed to be incredible.

1207
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: It's written by an Australian woman who was a trauma cleaner,

1208
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: could go and clean up crime scenes. And my god,

1209
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: I heard a podcast with hair and I really want

1210
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: to read that. But I've just added my true crime

1211
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: face at the moment.

1212
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: But I'll have to get back into it.

1213
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: I never get out of that pace. I live in

1214
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: that phase. So I'm totally going to spend the rest

1215
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: of the week reading those books.

1216
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: You know. In the Garden of Good and Evil is

1217
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: one of those beautiful books.

1218
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: That your gift to people because it's so beautifully written

1219
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: as well, so it's got the true crime, but it's

1220
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: also like reading this beautiful book that's you know, it's beautiful,

1221
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: flowery language, and I just take you away to another place.

1222
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel so bad because like I always have

1223
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: recommendations on the show, and I'm like, this is really uplifting,

1224
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: it's meant to be really beautiful. You walk away feeling

1225
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: really happy, But there's all these murder recommendations.

1226
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: Calling The Wild Twin would be the one people should

1227
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: go and get. It's so small, so it's something you could.

1228
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: Read in a night, you know, then just be so

1229
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: inspired by that beautiful book.

1230
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: I'm always going to remember that The Wild Twin, And

1231
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: if I ever start to feel a bit like I've

1232
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 3: gone back into the productivity hamster will, I'm going to

1233
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: think of evoking my Wild Twin. That's such a good one.

1234
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

1235
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 3: Second last question three are interesting things about you that

1236
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: don't normally come up in conversation? And because you have

1237
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 3: such a cool and random story, you've probably said more

1238
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: already than most people do in it each episode. But

1239
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: what are some random things about you that like only

1240
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: someone who lived with you would know.

1241
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: I think people think that I'm this like wild vagabond,

1242
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: and I I am in some ways, like you know,

1243
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: I live on my.

1244
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 2: Own and I just wander the bush and read.

1245
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: But I don't drink really, I don't drink coffee. I

1246
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: don't eat glute or dairy like. I only eat very

1247
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: basic things. I can't handle lighting or crowds or noise,

1248
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: so I've got like a sensory sensitivity that kind of

1249
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: I start freaking out and melting down. So even physically

1250
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: I can't handle the modern world. I can't even eat

1251
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: the food.

1252
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: Or you know, it's really difficult for me.

1253
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: So often people will see me in a city and

1254
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: traveling somewhere and try and talk to me, but I'm

1255
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: always like I guess I'd probably come across quite rude

1256
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: because I'm just not coping.

1257
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 2: Like it's just something I'm not good at.

1258
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: That's so interesting. It's like you were born of another.

1259
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: Time, yes, I think so. Well, it wasn't socialized as

1260
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: a child properly or something.

1261
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: Those encyclopedias you were like decades before your time.

1262
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: One.

1263
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 1: I still, even though I can navigate around the ocean,

1264
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: I still can't tell my left from my right.

1265
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: I still have to hold my hans up to do.

1266
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: The L.

1267
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: Sailed the world alone, but that's fine. You don't know

1268
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,479
Speaker 3: left and right? Great?

1269
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know.

1270
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, I still can't spell, even though my book

1271
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: is I think it's been spell checked, so I think

1272
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good.

1273
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1274
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 3: Nice.

1275
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: I have not improved my spelling through that exercise.

1276
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: Oh, they're great. You're also like a really wonderful ambassador

1277
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 3: for solitude in a time where we really try and

1278
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 3: fill gaps and silences and even our incessant need to

1279
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: pull out our phone to pass the time when we're

1280
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: waiting two minutes for an uber or something like, you

1281
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 3: notice that you need to fill those spaces. And I

1282
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 3: think you're a really, really wonderful reminder that actually being

1283
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 3: in your own company is such a skill, but it's

1284
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 3: actually also very good for you.

1285
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: It is, and I have friends and a partner.

1286
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: But I've had to recently start going to the local

1287
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: cafe at least three times a week and just sit

1288
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: there for at least an hour around people, and I've

1289
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: been practicing.

1290
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so cute. I have to practice

1291
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: not being alone.

1292
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: My owners don't know this been sure they'll listening to

1293
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: this fact. That's why she comes in here and just

1294
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: sits there on her own. I'm trying to desensitize myself too, Like.

1295
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 3: Taking you to puppy school, you know you have to

1296
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: socialize puppies with other puppies.

1297
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: I'm so embarrassed. That's how it is.

1298
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 3: No, But I also think that's another good reminder that

1299
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 3: like you know what suits you right, like your body

1300
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: gives you data and feedback on what environments suit you best.

1301
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 3: And I think what a lot of anxiety or chronic

1302
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: illness or just unhappiness is from is people forcing their

1303
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 3: personality type into situations constantly that are not suited to

1304
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 3: that personality type.

1305
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of people think that if

1306
01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: they do what they.

1307
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: Told will bring happiness, that they'll be happy.

1308
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: So currently, I think what's trendy is moving to Tasmania,

1309
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, having a shack or whatever.

1310
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: And I just people.

1311
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: Just follow what's in their heart, even if it's not trendy.

1312
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: I just think there's nothing that can match happiness.

1313
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: It really isn't. It's just what we're here to be.

1314
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: We're here to be happy.

1315
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: And you know, my mum always would say to when

1316
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: I was younger, and I never forgot it is that

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Speaker 1: you don't take anything with you.

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Speaker 2: You know, we all work so hard.

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Speaker 1: For houses and cars and money in the bank, but

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Speaker 1: none of it is coming with us, you know. I

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01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: try and remember this that I don't really own this house.

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Speaker 1: Someone else will own this one day. Just enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: But I say that one all the time. I love

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01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 3: it because we do get so focused on attachments to

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01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 3: things that really, in this game of life don't matter.

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01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: But like memories and joy and friendships, those things are

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01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 3: like eternal and they're the things that matter, you know.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: Ah well, very last question to finish off, what is

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Speaker 3: your favorite quote?

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01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: I have so many. My current favorite is water off

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: a duck's back.

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: Oh I love that, especially since us you're rounded by

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01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 3: lots of ducks.

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01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just all here sitting around my house. Because

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Speaker 2: as I've.

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01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: Gotten older, things have gotten easier, you know, like things

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01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: that would have melted me down five years ago, I

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01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: just think, oh, that's.

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01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 2: Really funny that happened. I agree, I really, I really

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01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: get it now.

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01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: And when I was younger, my mum and my grandparents

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01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: would say, when you get older, you know, you'll understand

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01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: or things are easier, and I never really understood that.

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01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: But as you do get older, things just do tend

1346
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: to get easier and nothing really matters at the end

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01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: of the day.

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01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: I've realized that everything just comes and goes, and we

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01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: all worry too much.

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, absolutely, what a beautiful way to finish.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so so much for sharing your incredible story.

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01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: I am one hundred percent hoping that there's some kind

1353
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 3: of movie producer or like epic storytelling person who can

1354
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: come and pick this up and turn it into a

1355
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: Hollywood oscar lining movie, because what an amazing journey and

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01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 3: just so interesting. And I would love to say that

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01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to come to Captain's Rest, but I think

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01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: I have to put my name on the list for

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01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 3: like twenty twenty eight to come and visit.

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01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: Twenty two from February, will have we have availability?

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01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 3: Oh amazing. I'm actually literally going to go and put

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01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: my name down right now.

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01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: If you are someone who can plan, I just find

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01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: that there's two types of people, people who.

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01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: Plan their holidays for the next year and people who

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01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: just can't. And I'm a just just can't type of person.

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: So when I get bookings for twenty twenty two.

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01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: I think, who are these amazing people who know what

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01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: they're doing in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just that they're willing to do whatever it

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01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 3: takes to get an experience of Captain's rest. That's what

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 3: You've created, something good enough that people will plan more

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01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 3: than they ever would.

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Speaker 2: I hope when you come, you see dolphins.

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01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: See a whole lot of dolphins when you come, and

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: you let me know if you do, because they do

1377
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: actually do a lat once a day.

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01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: So you just have to be like flop out of

1379
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: the window and see them. They come in and they

1380
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: come in close and amazing.

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01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you so much. This has brought me

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01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 3: so much. Yeah, and I'll include a link to the

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01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: book which is out. What date is it officially out?

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01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: Early September?

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: It's that in Australia and then in other countries in

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01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: the months rolling months after that.

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Speaker 2: That would be amazing. My book is for everybody.

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01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: It's about styling your own home in your own way

1389
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: and simple rules that you can use to do that

1390
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: that I teach my students and it's a really beautiful

1391
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: book and in fact a lot of my students are

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01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: in it, so their spaces are so beautiful. I've used

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01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: them in my book to demonstrate as examples of what

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01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to teach, which is beautiful.

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01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, the imagery in it is insane.

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01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 2: I was just flicking.

1397
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: Through it like this is going to be really bad

1398
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: for my renovation budget. I was so excited.

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01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: I just wanting out, Well, my next class comes out

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01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: in September with the book. It'll be an online class

1401
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: anyone can do around the world, and it's beautiful.

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01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: We're shooting in the same space as we shot the book.

1403
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: Oh amazing, in the same style, So don't renolate too

1404
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: much until we come and study.

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01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: And then.

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01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: Amazing.

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01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, my pleasure.

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01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 3: Well that was a first of many for this podcast.

1409
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 3: First Spatial Scientist shipwrecked Sailor and Global Airbnb Authority, and

1410
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 3: what a fascinating ride it was. You know, I'm a

1411
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 3: sucker for a niche community or a world I know

1412
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: nothing about, and I could feel my brain just expanding

1413
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: as I listened to Sarah. What a shining example of

1414
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: embracing solitude, never losing sight of your wild twin and

1415
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: life having so many surprises in store for you that

1416
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 3: you never dreamed could be just around the corner, as promised.

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01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 3: The links to her new book, which is on pre sale,

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01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: as well as Captain's Rest and her master classes are

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01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 3: in the show notes. Please shower Sarah with love if

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 3: it feels right to share the episode and at Captain's Rest,

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01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 3: but also just jump on over to indulge in the

1422
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: interior design porn. It is a pure delight. I can't

1423
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 3: believe where in July already. I feel like half of

1424
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 3: this show is just me exclaiming how quickly time is

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: passing week to week. I hope you're all having a

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Speaker 3: wonderful couple of days and are seizing your yay