1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,414 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the 2 00:00:15,454 --> 00:00:18,334 Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 3 00:00:18,334 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: recorded on. 4 00:00:22,014 --> 00:00:22,174 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:22,334 --> 00:00:25,454 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast, 6 00:00:25,494 --> 00:00:28,414 Speaker 1: The Quikie. To kick off today, here's your gentle reminder 7 00:00:28,494 --> 00:00:31,334 Speaker 1: to subscribe to The Quikie in your podcast app. It 8 00:00:31,414 --> 00:00:32,934 Speaker 1: means we can make sure we don't miss out on 9 00:00:32,974 --> 00:00:36,414 Speaker 1: hanging out every day sharing these incredible stories. The tide 10 00:00:36,494 --> 00:00:39,214 Speaker 1: has turned in the US election since Kamala Harris has 11 00:00:39,254 --> 00:00:42,334 Speaker 1: taken the reins from Joe Biden. Recent modeling from poland 12 00:00:42,334 --> 00:00:44,894 Speaker 1: guru Nate Silver shows she's now ahead of Trump in 13 00:00:44,934 --> 00:00:48,134 Speaker 1: the polls and the money just keeps rolling in. But 14 00:00:48,214 --> 00:00:51,574 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is not giving up easy, and he's recruited 15 00:00:51,614 --> 00:00:54,454 Speaker 1: a stack of new Trump women to get him across 16 00:00:54,494 --> 00:00:57,054 Speaker 1: the line. I'm a god, this is your moment. 17 00:00:57,814 --> 00:01:00,094 Speaker 3: Will you stand for President Trump? 18 00:01:00,654 --> 00:01:04,494 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen first, as our last. 19 00:01:04,414 --> 00:01:09,094 Speaker 1: Cham chun back. I'ma god, right, I damn before we 20 00:01:09,094 --> 00:01:10,934 Speaker 1: find out who's now in the Trump in a circle. 21 00:01:10,974 --> 00:01:13,654 Speaker 1: Here's the latest from the Quikie newsroom, Wednesday, August seven. 22 00:01:14,214 --> 00:01:17,654 Speaker 1: Vice President and now formerly the Democratic party's nominee to 23 00:01:17,734 --> 00:01:21,134 Speaker 1: run for president, Kamala Harris has chosen her running mate, 24 00:01:21,334 --> 00:01:25,774 Speaker 1: a man her Republican opposition a calling boring, incompetent and radical. 25 00:01:26,214 --> 00:01:28,934 Speaker 1: Harris has chosen Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz to be her 26 00:01:29,014 --> 00:01:31,494 Speaker 1: running mate. Harris saying one of the things that stood 27 00:01:31,494 --> 00:01:33,974 Speaker 1: out for her about him was his convictions in fighting 28 00:01:33,974 --> 00:01:37,934 Speaker 1: for middle class families. Waltz, a Midwesterner, former school teacher 29 00:01:37,974 --> 00:01:40,734 Speaker 1: and football coach who served in the Army National Guard, 30 00:01:41,054 --> 00:01:43,334 Speaker 1: is seen as someone who broadly appealed to voters in 31 00:01:43,374 --> 00:01:46,734 Speaker 1: states like Michigan and Wisconsin, which helped Trump win the 32 00:01:46,734 --> 00:01:50,414 Speaker 1: presidency in twenty sixteen. He also recently went viral after 33 00:01:50,414 --> 00:01:54,254 Speaker 1: describing the Republican opposition as weird. Trump's running mate j 34 00:01:54,374 --> 00:01:57,294 Speaker 1: D Vance accused Harris of listening to the harmas wing 35 00:01:57,334 --> 00:02:00,854 Speaker 1: of her own party, saying her choice of Waltz over Joshapiro, 36 00:02:00,934 --> 00:02:04,854 Speaker 1: who's Jewish, shows she doesn't support Israel. The opposition also 37 00:02:04,934 --> 00:02:09,174 Speaker 1: pointed out Waltz's choice to sign legislation protecting transgender health care, 38 00:02:09,254 --> 00:02:13,654 Speaker 1: saying he's a left wing extremist. Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds 39 00:02:13,654 --> 00:02:17,214 Speaker 1: says she suffered an emotional and physical breakdown after Britney 40 00:02:17,294 --> 00:02:20,534 Speaker 1: Higgins rape allegations went public and she was accused of 41 00:02:20,614 --> 00:02:24,294 Speaker 1: mishandling it in the aftermath. Reynolds, who's giving evidence at 42 00:02:24,334 --> 00:02:27,294 Speaker 1: the defamation trial she's brought against Higgins and her husband 43 00:02:27,374 --> 00:02:31,974 Speaker 1: David Charraz over social media posts she claims impacted her reputation, 44 00:02:32,494 --> 00:02:36,214 Speaker 1: said she started to break down in Parliament, experiencing heart pain, 45 00:02:36,414 --> 00:02:39,414 Speaker 1: was unable to read her paperwork and her knees started 46 00:02:39,414 --> 00:02:42,934 Speaker 1: to buckle. She says. Then Prime Minister Scott Morrison comforted 47 00:02:42,974 --> 00:02:45,774 Speaker 1: her and told her how the allegations were also impacting 48 00:02:45,854 --> 00:02:49,294 Speaker 1: him and his girls. She says she wasn't sleeping, was 49 00:02:49,334 --> 00:02:52,294 Speaker 1: teary and not in a good headspace. Reynolds would be 50 00:02:52,334 --> 00:02:55,654 Speaker 1: admitted to hospital, where she was diagnosed with a cardiac disorder. 51 00:02:55,974 --> 00:02:58,974 Speaker 1: The court was adjourned, but not before Senator Reynolds linked 52 00:02:59,014 --> 00:03:01,934 Speaker 1: the saga to the death of Labour Senator Kimberly Kitching, 53 00:03:02,214 --> 00:03:05,374 Speaker 1: who suffered a suspected heart attack in twenty twenty two. 54 00:03:06,494 --> 00:03:09,214 Speaker 1: A Paris restaurant who turned away Serena Williams and her 55 00:03:09,254 --> 00:03:13,494 Speaker 1: family has apologized but say they had no choice. Williams 56 00:03:13,574 --> 00:03:16,934 Speaker 1: posted on social media this week, tagging the Peninsula saying 57 00:03:17,054 --> 00:03:19,694 Speaker 1: she'd been denied access to rooftop to eat in an 58 00:03:19,694 --> 00:03:22,854 Speaker 1: empty restaurant. Of nicer places, but never with her kids. 59 00:03:23,174 --> 00:03:26,094 Speaker 1: She signed off with always a first. The tweet was 60 00:03:26,134 --> 00:03:29,414 Speaker 1: seen by millions. The five star restaurant responded, saying the 61 00:03:29,494 --> 00:03:32,774 Speaker 1: rooftop bar was fully booked and the only unoccupied table 62 00:03:32,854 --> 00:03:36,254 Speaker 1: she'd seen belonged to their gourmet restaurant, which were all reserved. 63 00:03:36,574 --> 00:03:38,654 Speaker 1: They followed it up with We've always been hoored to 64 00:03:38,694 --> 00:03:40,854 Speaker 1: welcome you and will always be honored to welcome you 65 00:03:40,934 --> 00:03:44,534 Speaker 1: here again. Seeinger Sizza has told her fans she's taking 66 00:03:44,534 --> 00:03:47,374 Speaker 1: a break from performing live to sort out her personal life. 67 00:03:47,534 --> 00:03:49,574 Speaker 1: The thirty four year old has been open about her 68 00:03:49,574 --> 00:03:52,974 Speaker 1: mental health struggles, explaining how she's not always coped well 69 00:03:53,014 --> 00:03:55,294 Speaker 1: with the spotlight she's been under since she shot to 70 00:03:55,294 --> 00:03:58,854 Speaker 1: fame with her album SOS, saying she has sometimes lashed 71 00:03:58,854 --> 00:04:01,574 Speaker 1: out in frustration due to the immense pressure she's under. 72 00:04:01,894 --> 00:04:04,094 Speaker 1: She spoke in an interview saying she knows a lot 73 00:04:04,134 --> 00:04:07,054 Speaker 1: of what she now experiences isn't normal, but she doesn't 74 00:04:07,054 --> 00:04:09,934 Speaker 1: know how to process the experience. She wrote on social 75 00:04:09,934 --> 00:04:12,414 Speaker 1: media after appearing at a festival in Canada that it 76 00:04:12,454 --> 00:04:14,774 Speaker 1: was her last show for a while. She said, finally 77 00:04:14,814 --> 00:04:19,254 Speaker 1: about to get my life together. Thank you God. The 78 00:04:19,334 --> 00:04:22,174 Speaker 1: pulse on Paris thanks to Move by Mamma Mia, the 79 00:04:22,294 --> 00:04:23,094 Speaker 1: exercise app. 80 00:04:23,134 --> 00:04:25,054 Speaker 3: He'll actually enjoy in Paris. 81 00:04:25,054 --> 00:04:27,534 Speaker 1: And it's more gold for Australia overnight, with fourteen year 82 00:04:27,534 --> 00:04:31,334 Speaker 1: old Arisa True now the country's youngest ever Olympic gold medalist, 83 00:04:31,534 --> 00:04:34,734 Speaker 1: winning the skateboarding park event. We also scored bronze in 84 00:04:34,814 --> 00:04:37,254 Speaker 1: the cycling with the men's team sprints winning the first 85 00:04:37,374 --> 00:04:40,454 Speaker 1: Ossie medal in the sports since the Sydney two thousand Games. 86 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:43,654 Speaker 1: The men's team pursuits smashed a world record to put 87 00:04:43,694 --> 00:04:46,534 Speaker 1: them in line for a podium position. They'll ride against 88 00:04:46,534 --> 00:04:49,694 Speaker 1: Great Britain for the gold. The Ossie women's water polo 89 00:04:49,734 --> 00:04:52,214 Speaker 1: team has defeated Greece six to nine in their quarter 90 00:04:52,254 --> 00:04:55,294 Speaker 1: final and out on the track. National record holder Jessica 91 00:04:55,414 --> 00:04:58,094 Speaker 1: Hull is through to the fifteen hundred meter semi final. 92 00:04:58,534 --> 00:05:01,254 Speaker 1: It wasn't such great news for the Boomers our basketball 93 00:05:01,294 --> 00:05:04,254 Speaker 1: boys losing their quarter final against Serbia ninety five to 94 00:05:04,374 --> 00:05:07,534 Speaker 1: ninety and Melissa Wu has finished eleventh in the ten 95 00:05:07,614 --> 00:05:11,134 Speaker 1: meter platform diving with country woman Ellie Cole in seventh. 96 00:05:11,494 --> 00:05:13,614 Speaker 1: That's what's going down in the world today. Next, is 97 00:05:13,654 --> 00:05:16,614 Speaker 1: Milania Trump up to being First Lady for a second time? 98 00:05:17,054 --> 00:05:19,814 Speaker 1: Why haven't we seen a vunker on her father's campaign trail? 99 00:05:20,094 --> 00:05:23,294 Speaker 1: And who are the women challenging Trump's supporters to fight 100 00:05:23,374 --> 00:05:26,774 Speaker 1: on we discover who's in and who's out of the 101 00:05:26,814 --> 00:05:40,974 Speaker 1: Trump in a circle. Four years ago, we spoke to 102 00:05:41,054 --> 00:05:44,294 Speaker 1: Kate Anderson Brower, the author of First Women, The Grace 103 00:05:44,374 --> 00:05:47,934 Speaker 1: and Power of America's Modern First Ladies, about the legacy 104 00:05:48,014 --> 00:05:50,574 Speaker 1: that only the second first Lady to be born outside 105 00:05:50,574 --> 00:05:53,094 Speaker 1: of the US, Millennia, Trump, would leave behind. 106 00:05:53,734 --> 00:05:55,894 Speaker 2: I think that she is going to be known as 107 00:05:55,934 --> 00:06:01,534 Speaker 2: a very independent, fiercely protective mother. I think that her 108 00:06:01,574 --> 00:06:04,014 Speaker 2: decision not to move into the White House right away 109 00:06:04,174 --> 00:06:06,654 Speaker 2: was a brave one. I think that she's done some 110 00:06:07,014 --> 00:06:10,534 Speaker 2: good and trying to dial back the naggativity on Twitter 111 00:06:10,574 --> 00:06:12,734 Speaker 2: and whatnot. But I also think that she was in 112 00:06:12,774 --> 00:06:14,214 Speaker 2: this impossible position. 113 00:06:15,054 --> 00:06:18,534 Speaker 1: Now. Milania is facing becoming First Lady once again as 114 00:06:18,574 --> 00:06:22,214 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's election chances, while decreasing since the announcement of 115 00:06:22,294 --> 00:06:25,694 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee, still remains in a 116 00:06:25,734 --> 00:06:29,614 Speaker 1: strong position to become president once again. But while we 117 00:06:29,694 --> 00:06:32,014 Speaker 1: saw so much of the former model and mother to 118 00:06:32,014 --> 00:06:35,174 Speaker 1: Trump's youngest son, Baron, in the twenty sixteen run for president, 119 00:06:35,534 --> 00:06:37,974 Speaker 1: we have seen very little of her this time around, 120 00:06:38,454 --> 00:06:41,454 Speaker 1: In fact, just a single message of support after the 121 00:06:41,494 --> 00:06:43,334 Speaker 1: attempted assassination of her husband. 122 00:06:44,574 --> 00:06:47,374 Speaker 3: When I watched that violent bullet strike my husband Donald, 123 00:06:47,694 --> 00:06:50,854 Speaker 3: I realized my life and Baron's life were on the 124 00:06:50,854 --> 00:06:54,334 Speaker 3: brink of devastating change. I am grateful to the brave 125 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:57,774 Speaker 3: Secret Service agents and law enforcement officials who risk their 126 00:06:57,814 --> 00:06:59,494 Speaker 3: own lives to protect my husband. 127 00:07:00,254 --> 00:07:02,414 Speaker 1: At that time, she did also give us some insight 128 00:07:02,494 --> 00:07:04,814 Speaker 1: into the man she married, saying the one that the 129 00:07:04,854 --> 00:07:07,454 Speaker 1: twenty year old gunman had tried to kill was not 130 00:07:07,534 --> 00:07:08,894 Speaker 1: the man she knows and loves. 131 00:07:09,654 --> 00:07:13,214 Speaker 3: Monster who recognized my husband as an inhuman political machine 132 00:07:13,294 --> 00:07:17,214 Speaker 3: attempted to ring out Donald's passion, his laughter, love of music, 133 00:07:17,294 --> 00:07:20,814 Speaker 3: and inspiration. The core facets of my husband's life, his 134 00:07:20,934 --> 00:07:25,094 Speaker 3: human side, were buried below the political machine. Donald, the 135 00:07:25,214 --> 00:07:27,454 Speaker 3: generous and caring man who I have been with through 136 00:07:27,454 --> 00:07:29,654 Speaker 3: the best of times and the worst of times. 137 00:07:30,374 --> 00:07:33,094 Speaker 1: Aside from that, just a quick appearance is always saw 138 00:07:33,174 --> 00:07:36,214 Speaker 1: on the stage of the National Republican Convention and no 139 00:07:36,334 --> 00:07:39,774 Speaker 1: speech from Milania this time. So why has she stepped 140 00:07:39,814 --> 00:07:42,014 Speaker 1: back in this campaign? And what will she do if 141 00:07:42,014 --> 00:07:44,934 Speaker 1: her husband heads back to the White House. Kate says 142 00:07:45,054 --> 00:07:47,214 Speaker 1: she can't reach for the same excuse she did during 143 00:07:47,294 --> 00:07:50,614 Speaker 1: his first administration in order to stay away from First 144 00:07:50,654 --> 00:07:51,414 Speaker 1: Lady Judy's. 145 00:07:51,934 --> 00:07:56,534 Speaker 2: She doesn't seem comfortable in Washington at all. I mean, 146 00:07:56,694 --> 00:08:02,094 Speaker 2: she was very unhappy here. She married a celebrity, but 147 00:08:02,174 --> 00:08:05,174 Speaker 2: she didn't marry someone who has, you know, the serious 148 00:08:05,254 --> 00:08:09,014 Speaker 2: chances of winning the presidency. So I think for her, 149 00:08:09,334 --> 00:08:12,534 Speaker 2: you have to think that she wishes that she didn't 150 00:08:12,574 --> 00:08:15,574 Speaker 2: have to come back, and I honestly don't think that 151 00:08:15,654 --> 00:08:17,854 Speaker 2: she would even live in the White House most of 152 00:08:17,894 --> 00:08:21,374 Speaker 2: the time, I mean maybe part time. The interesting thing, too, 153 00:08:21,574 --> 00:08:24,814 Speaker 2: is to watch what happens with Barren, because when she 154 00:08:25,094 --> 00:08:28,774 Speaker 2: was here before, she had this convenient excuse. And this 155 00:08:28,894 --> 00:08:31,254 Speaker 2: is not to say that I'm sure she's a wonderful mother, 156 00:08:31,494 --> 00:08:34,494 Speaker 2: but she had a young son and so she had 157 00:08:34,534 --> 00:08:37,374 Speaker 2: to be there for him and to support him. Barren 158 00:08:37,454 --> 00:08:41,334 Speaker 2: is now eighteen years old, and in fact appeared at 159 00:08:41,534 --> 00:08:45,014 Speaker 2: not too long ago one of his father's campaign events, 160 00:08:45,054 --> 00:08:48,214 Speaker 2: so I think she's not going to have that reason 161 00:08:48,374 --> 00:08:49,334 Speaker 2: for not being here. 162 00:08:50,014 --> 00:08:50,494 Speaker 4: She had a. 163 00:08:50,454 --> 00:08:53,254 Speaker 2: Really small staff, She had half the number of people 164 00:08:53,334 --> 00:08:56,054 Speaker 2: working for her that Michelle Obama did, and her whole 165 00:08:56,134 --> 00:09:00,694 Speaker 2: The Best campaign was so obviously flawed because you know, 166 00:09:00,734 --> 00:09:04,014 Speaker 2: it was all about cyber bullying and how terrible it is, 167 00:09:04,094 --> 00:09:09,254 Speaker 2: and her husband's obviously a big cyber bully. So it 168 00:09:09,414 --> 00:09:13,774 Speaker 2: was as though he didn't have enough advisors and she 169 00:09:14,134 --> 00:09:16,894 Speaker 2: was really a lamb led to the slaughter. Some people 170 00:09:16,894 --> 00:09:20,214 Speaker 2: could say, you know that she just was not prepared 171 00:09:20,414 --> 00:09:23,694 Speaker 2: for how difficult being first lady can be. So I 172 00:09:23,734 --> 00:09:27,454 Speaker 2: am sure she is dreading it if he should win. 173 00:09:28,294 --> 00:09:32,934 Speaker 1: Can President Trump really hold down the White House for 174 00:09:32,974 --> 00:09:35,254 Speaker 1: four years if his first lady is not present? 175 00:09:35,734 --> 00:09:36,214 Speaker 5: I think so. 176 00:09:36,294 --> 00:09:38,974 Speaker 2: I mean he basically did it before. I mean, Avanka 177 00:09:39,214 --> 00:09:42,814 Speaker 2: was sort of acting first lady at many events. The 178 00:09:42,854 --> 00:09:46,094 Speaker 2: first lady is just a position that is ceremonial. There's 179 00:09:46,214 --> 00:09:51,934 Speaker 2: nothing in the constitution that even mentions the position. It's unpaid, 180 00:09:52,414 --> 00:09:55,214 Speaker 2: there's no expectations. You can do as much or as 181 00:09:55,254 --> 00:10:00,214 Speaker 2: little as you want. And so I think for Donald Trump, 182 00:10:00,574 --> 00:10:04,774 Speaker 2: he doesn't really need Malania there by his side. She 183 00:10:04,814 --> 00:10:07,894 Speaker 2: didn't speak at the Republican Convention, which is very rare. 184 00:10:08,414 --> 00:10:11,414 Speaker 2: We don't exp asked him to be humanized and the 185 00:10:11,454 --> 00:10:15,214 Speaker 2: way other presidents have been by their spouse, you know, 186 00:10:15,734 --> 00:10:19,574 Speaker 2: Michelle Obama would talk about Barack Obama leaving dirty laundry 187 00:10:19,574 --> 00:10:21,414 Speaker 2: on the floor and kind of things that would make 188 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:25,814 Speaker 2: them relatable. And I don't think that Republican voters really care. 189 00:10:26,054 --> 00:10:30,454 Speaker 2: They want a strong leader, They want a fighter, someone 190 00:10:30,614 --> 00:10:33,774 Speaker 2: who is not afraid to say what they've seen, and 191 00:10:33,814 --> 00:10:37,054 Speaker 2: that really has nothing to do with softening him up 192 00:10:37,214 --> 00:10:37,934 Speaker 2: in any way. 193 00:10:41,094 --> 00:10:41,334 Speaker 4: JD. 194 00:10:41,374 --> 00:10:43,774 Speaker 1: Evance is the man that Donald Trump has chosen as 195 00:10:43,774 --> 00:10:47,534 Speaker 1: his running mate and potential vice president, the first millennial 196 00:10:47,614 --> 00:10:51,174 Speaker 1: to run on a presidency ticket. He has a history 197 00:10:51,294 --> 00:10:54,494 Speaker 1: of supporting abortion bents, telling women they should stay with 198 00:10:54,534 --> 00:10:57,294 Speaker 1: abusive men for the sake of their children, telling women 199 00:10:57,374 --> 00:10:59,974 Speaker 1: they're the problem in the world, that childless cat lady 200 00:11:00,014 --> 00:11:02,214 Speaker 1: should not be allowed to be president as they have 201 00:11:02,294 --> 00:11:04,974 Speaker 1: no stake in the country's future, and that he's aware 202 00:11:04,974 --> 00:11:08,734 Speaker 1: of his own inability to control his own violent nature, 203 00:11:09,054 --> 00:11:10,774 Speaker 1: writing in his book. 204 00:11:10,814 --> 00:11:13,414 Speaker 5: The sad fact is that I couldn't do it without Usha. 205 00:11:14,014 --> 00:11:16,814 Speaker 5: Even at my best, I'm a delayed explosion I can 206 00:11:16,854 --> 00:11:19,734 Speaker 5: be diffused, but only with skill and precision. It's not 207 00:11:19,814 --> 00:11:22,014 Speaker 5: that I've learned to control myself, but that Usha has 208 00:11:22,094 --> 00:11:24,094 Speaker 5: learned how to manage me. Put two of me in 209 00:11:24,134 --> 00:11:26,854 Speaker 5: the same house, and you have a positively radioactive situation. 210 00:11:27,694 --> 00:11:32,014 Speaker 1: Behind JD. Vance in his political aspirations is his wife, Usha, 211 00:11:32,894 --> 00:11:35,374 Speaker 1: who has now been brought onto the Trump train. 212 00:11:35,854 --> 00:11:38,294 Speaker 6: It occurred to me that there was only one thing 213 00:11:38,414 --> 00:11:42,654 Speaker 6: to do to explain from the heart why I love 214 00:11:42,694 --> 00:11:47,054 Speaker 6: an admire JD and stand here beside him today, and 215 00:11:47,094 --> 00:11:50,134 Speaker 6: why he will make a great vice president of the 216 00:11:50,214 --> 00:11:50,974 Speaker 6: United States. 217 00:11:52,534 --> 00:11:54,734 Speaker 1: He says. We don't know a lot about Usha, but 218 00:11:54,814 --> 00:11:57,774 Speaker 1: we know she has changed her political leanings over time. 219 00:11:58,334 --> 00:12:05,734 Speaker 2: Usha is Indian American from southern California. She's incredibly well educated. 220 00:12:05,814 --> 00:12:09,894 Speaker 2: She was a Democrat until twenty fourteen. She did for 221 00:12:09,974 --> 00:12:14,414 Speaker 2: Brett Kavanaugh the Supreme Court Chief Justice John Robert, so 222 00:12:14,454 --> 00:12:19,574 Speaker 2: she's obviously also has Republican leanings. Now it's definitely not 223 00:12:19,974 --> 00:12:23,574 Speaker 2: the choice you would imagine that like JD. Vance making 224 00:12:23,654 --> 00:12:26,414 Speaker 2: a wife. She is a woman of color. She obviously 225 00:12:26,574 --> 00:12:30,814 Speaker 2: has different life experiences from him. She's Hindu, which is 226 00:12:30,854 --> 00:12:32,014 Speaker 2: really interesting to me. 227 00:12:32,814 --> 00:12:33,134 Speaker 4: JD. 228 00:12:33,254 --> 00:12:37,174 Speaker 2: Dance was an atheist for a while, and she encouraged 229 00:12:37,254 --> 00:12:42,454 Speaker 2: him to return to his Christian roots and get baptized, 230 00:12:42,694 --> 00:12:45,734 Speaker 2: and because she said how important religion was in her life. 231 00:12:45,814 --> 00:12:50,014 Speaker 2: So I think that his respect for her intellect is 232 00:12:50,054 --> 00:12:54,334 Speaker 2: something that people will like to see, because it's important 233 00:12:54,414 --> 00:12:58,494 Speaker 2: to see a woman like her who's so accomplished in 234 00:12:58,534 --> 00:13:00,894 Speaker 2: a slotlight. A lot of people might say, why isn't 235 00:13:00,894 --> 00:13:03,934 Speaker 2: she running for office? Right? But they have three young kids. 236 00:13:04,534 --> 00:13:08,254 Speaker 2: She has said that she isn't really that excited about 237 00:13:08,334 --> 00:13:11,614 Speaker 2: being in this light like this, And I think for her, 238 00:13:11,694 --> 00:13:15,254 Speaker 2: and I've certainly first ladies and second ladies like Laura 239 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:18,574 Speaker 2: Bush and Ncin, I think for her it'll be interesting 240 00:13:18,654 --> 00:13:22,614 Speaker 2: because Malaya Trump is not vocals, She's not on the 241 00:13:22,734 --> 00:13:26,374 Speaker 2: Campagne trail and so far and so will you sha 242 00:13:26,494 --> 00:13:28,974 Speaker 2: Zance be expected to pick up a lot of that 243 00:13:29,294 --> 00:13:32,454 Speaker 2: black That'll be something that I'll really be watching out for. 244 00:13:36,134 --> 00:13:38,534 Speaker 1: The Last time Trump was in power, he had not 245 00:13:38,734 --> 00:13:42,254 Speaker 1: just Millennia but Daughterie Bunker by his side, essentially working 246 00:13:42,294 --> 00:13:45,854 Speaker 1: as his right hand during his administration, but she's also 247 00:13:45,894 --> 00:13:50,334 Speaker 1: been more distant this time around. What happened. Amelia Lester 248 00:13:50,494 --> 00:13:53,934 Speaker 1: is a deputy editor at Foreign affairs magazine, Amelia, Why 249 00:13:53,974 --> 00:13:56,414 Speaker 1: haven't we seen Avunker step back into the same role 250 00:13:56,574 --> 00:13:58,774 Speaker 1: we saw her field the last time Trump was campaigning. 251 00:13:59,214 --> 00:14:01,254 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad you asked about that, because I do 252 00:14:01,374 --> 00:14:03,654 Speaker 4: think that she slipped a bit under the radar here. 253 00:14:03,774 --> 00:14:06,414 Speaker 4: She did introduce her father in both twenty sixteen and 254 00:14:06,494 --> 00:14:09,334 Speaker 4: twenty twenty, Like you mentioned, she didn't speak this time. 255 00:14:09,614 --> 00:14:12,134 Speaker 4: What I thought was really interesting was that when she 256 00:14:12,214 --> 00:14:14,854 Speaker 4: did appear in the so called royal box where Trump 257 00:14:14,934 --> 00:14:19,374 Speaker 4: was sitting during the convention, Tiffany Trump, Trump's youngest daughter, 258 00:14:19,494 --> 00:14:22,494 Speaker 4: got pretty arguably a better seat than she did, which 259 00:14:22,494 --> 00:14:25,054 Speaker 4: shows just how far she's fallen in the kind of 260 00:14:25,094 --> 00:14:28,854 Speaker 4: Trump sweepstakes. Looking back to her twenty sixteenth speech, it 261 00:14:28,854 --> 00:14:31,414 Speaker 4: feels like it was from a completely different era. And 262 00:14:31,894 --> 00:14:35,094 Speaker 4: I think everything that's happened since has really made her 263 00:14:35,214 --> 00:14:38,094 Speaker 4: question whether she wants to be involved in politics. I think, 264 00:14:38,094 --> 00:14:41,534 Speaker 4: specifically socially, she's really paid a price in her social 265 00:14:41,574 --> 00:14:44,974 Speaker 4: circles for being associated with Donald Trump. You can see 266 00:14:45,054 --> 00:14:46,774 Speaker 4: that in the fact that she's had to move out 267 00:14:46,814 --> 00:14:48,694 Speaker 4: of New York. She was born in Manhattan, she was 268 00:14:48,774 --> 00:14:51,174 Speaker 4: very much a creature of New York City. She's now 269 00:14:51,214 --> 00:14:53,894 Speaker 4: believed to be a resident of Florida. And you have 270 00:14:53,974 --> 00:14:56,654 Speaker 4: to point at that largely because of the backlash that 271 00:14:56,774 --> 00:15:00,174 Speaker 4: happened in New York society circles when New York liberals 272 00:15:00,174 --> 00:15:03,694 Speaker 4: didn't approve of what her father's administration was doing. One 273 00:15:03,734 --> 00:15:06,374 Speaker 4: particular low point for her must have been when the 274 00:15:06,414 --> 00:15:10,974 Speaker 4: fashion entrepreneur Laurence Santa Domingo tweeted after the Supreme Court 275 00:15:11,014 --> 00:15:15,174 Speaker 4: overturned Ruby Wade Evanka Trump, you were noticeably quiet today 276 00:15:15,334 --> 00:15:17,574 Speaker 4: the high school friends who took you to get an 277 00:15:17,614 --> 00:15:20,814 Speaker 4: abortion and not She of course went to a very 278 00:15:20,854 --> 00:15:24,694 Speaker 4: privileged prep school on New York Sappery's side, and that's 279 00:15:24,734 --> 00:15:27,374 Speaker 4: just the sort of sign of how much that friendship 280 00:15:27,414 --> 00:15:30,854 Speaker 4: group turned on her as a result of her involvement 281 00:15:31,014 --> 00:15:32,454 Speaker 4: in her father's administration. 282 00:15:33,214 --> 00:15:36,134 Speaker 1: Well, who then, Amelia is stepping into the breach, into 283 00:15:36,174 --> 00:15:39,134 Speaker 1: the gap that's been left by Milania in Ivonka's absence, 284 00:15:39,254 --> 00:15:41,574 Speaker 1: because there are some other Trump women who are stepping 285 00:15:41,654 --> 00:15:43,014 Speaker 1: up to take on the role. 286 00:15:43,534 --> 00:15:45,734 Speaker 4: Yeah. In fact, two of the biggest speeches at the 287 00:15:45,814 --> 00:15:50,774 Speaker 4: convention came from other women in Trump's family, Lara Trump 288 00:15:50,814 --> 00:15:54,694 Speaker 4: and Kimberly Gilfoyle. I'll talk about Lara First, I am proud. 289 00:15:54,614 --> 00:15:57,734 Speaker 1: To know Donald Trump, to campaign for him, to vote 290 00:15:57,734 --> 00:16:00,254 Speaker 1: for him, and to raise his grandchildren. 291 00:16:01,814 --> 00:16:05,334 Speaker 4: She is married to Eric Trump, who's seen as kind 292 00:16:05,334 --> 00:16:09,454 Speaker 4: of the political lesson of the two growing up Trump sons. 293 00:16:09,694 --> 00:16:11,654 Speaker 4: Eric and John are the two grown up sons, and 294 00:16:11,814 --> 00:16:15,854 Speaker 4: Eric is regarded as less politically gifted. But what's interesting 295 00:16:15,934 --> 00:16:20,294 Speaker 4: is that Lara has become very engaged politically, perhaps more 296 00:16:20,334 --> 00:16:23,574 Speaker 4: than anyone would have expected. She married Eric in twenty fourteen, 297 00:16:23,814 --> 00:16:27,734 Speaker 4: and she did lead something called the Trump Pence Women's 298 00:16:27,774 --> 00:16:31,894 Speaker 4: Empowerment Tour back in twenty sixteen, which traveled around the US, 299 00:16:32,174 --> 00:16:35,854 Speaker 4: but she wasn't so visible in Republican circles at the time. 300 00:16:36,334 --> 00:16:39,774 Speaker 4: That all changed earlier this year because she became the 301 00:16:39,774 --> 00:16:42,734 Speaker 4: co chair of the Republican National Committee. That is a 302 00:16:42,854 --> 00:16:46,214 Speaker 4: huge job. She is running the party machine, and in fact, 303 00:16:46,334 --> 00:16:48,894 Speaker 4: she said that when she was elected that every single 304 00:16:49,014 --> 00:16:52,054 Speaker 4: penny that that committee raises is going to go to 305 00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:54,294 Speaker 4: the number one and only job of the R and C, 306 00:16:54,694 --> 00:16:58,214 Speaker 4: that is electing Donald J. Trump. So he'd been pressuring 307 00:16:58,254 --> 00:17:00,534 Speaker 4: her for some time, by her own admission, to take 308 00:17:00,574 --> 00:17:03,614 Speaker 4: on this job. And why it's significant is because it 309 00:17:03,654 --> 00:17:07,574 Speaker 4: represents the official merging of the Trump family and the 310 00:17:07,654 --> 00:17:11,334 Speaker 4: Republican party machine. Those two things are now intertwined. So 311 00:17:11,374 --> 00:17:14,374 Speaker 4: she's a former TV producer. She used to produce this 312 00:17:14,454 --> 00:17:18,334 Speaker 4: slightly tabloidy current affairs show called Inside Edition, and then 313 00:17:18,374 --> 00:17:22,174 Speaker 4: she became a frequent contributor to Fox News. She's actually 314 00:17:22,254 --> 00:17:25,214 Speaker 4: released a song, a country cover of Tom Petty's I 315 00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:28,214 Speaker 4: Want Back Down, which is available on Spotify if you'd 316 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:29,014 Speaker 4: like to listen to it. 317 00:17:29,174 --> 00:17:36,174 Speaker 1: Willow waw back Down, No Way Down. 318 00:17:36,094 --> 00:17:39,614 Speaker 4: And the rn C last month was really her big 319 00:17:39,654 --> 00:17:42,654 Speaker 4: coming out politically. She gave this twenty minute speech where 320 00:17:42,654 --> 00:17:45,294 Speaker 4: she led the crowd. They were all holding their fifths up, 321 00:17:45,334 --> 00:17:48,494 Speaker 4: they were shouting fight. It was a pretty aggressive debut 322 00:17:48,614 --> 00:17:52,414 Speaker 4: for her. The second Trump lady who's gotten involved in 323 00:17:52,454 --> 00:17:55,654 Speaker 4: a big way this year is Kimberly Gilfoyle. She is 324 00:17:55,734 --> 00:17:58,854 Speaker 4: engaged to Donald Trump Junior, who is largely thought to 325 00:17:58,894 --> 00:18:02,294 Speaker 4: be her dad's successor. The party base absolutely loves Don 326 00:18:02,374 --> 00:18:05,094 Speaker 4: Trump Junior. He's the one who is sort of infamous 327 00:18:05,094 --> 00:18:07,934 Speaker 4: for his hunting photos. He's seen as a real kind 328 00:18:08,014 --> 00:18:12,174 Speaker 4: of red meat Republican. Interestingly, Kimberly was once married to 329 00:18:12,334 --> 00:18:15,654 Speaker 4: a liberal darling, the governor of California, Gavin Newsom, so 330 00:18:16,174 --> 00:18:19,374 Speaker 4: her politics are by no means obvious. She used to 331 00:18:19,374 --> 00:18:21,694 Speaker 4: be a Fox News host, and I think it's sad 332 00:18:21,694 --> 00:18:23,534 Speaker 4: to say that her speech was pretty scary. 333 00:18:23,814 --> 00:18:27,774 Speaker 6: I know that God has put an armor of protection 334 00:18:27,974 --> 00:18:29,254 Speaker 6: over Donald Trump. 335 00:18:30,734 --> 00:18:33,454 Speaker 4: She warned that we are closer to World War three 336 00:18:33,614 --> 00:18:36,454 Speaker 4: than any time in my life. She spoke of an 337 00:18:36,534 --> 00:18:40,254 Speaker 4: insanity that spreads like a cancer in our schools. It 338 00:18:40,294 --> 00:18:43,054 Speaker 4: wasn't clear what the insanity was that she was referring to, 339 00:18:43,134 --> 00:18:45,694 Speaker 4: but it may have been something to do with trans education. 340 00:18:46,214 --> 00:18:49,054 Speaker 4: And she talked a lot about illegal migration and how 341 00:18:49,654 --> 00:18:53,174 Speaker 4: so called illegals are running rampant and contributing to high 342 00:18:53,254 --> 00:18:56,534 Speaker 4: crime rates in cities. Both Lara and Kimberly gave these 343 00:18:56,734 --> 00:19:00,694 Speaker 4: very aggressive speeches that spoke directly to the base. 344 00:19:01,454 --> 00:19:05,134 Speaker 1: We also saw Donald Trump's granddaughter speak at this event 345 00:19:05,174 --> 00:19:09,254 Speaker 1: as well. What supporter base are they trying to attract 346 00:19:09,254 --> 00:19:12,414 Speaker 1: by bringing these women into the conversation? Is it those 347 00:19:12,454 --> 00:19:15,854 Speaker 1: real hardline Republicans because we presume they're already on board 348 00:19:16,294 --> 00:19:18,494 Speaker 1: that then when you bring in the granddaughter, are we 349 00:19:18,534 --> 00:19:21,254 Speaker 1: trying to expose a soft a signed to Donald Trump? 350 00:19:21,294 --> 00:19:23,734 Speaker 1: What role are they playing in bringing in certain voter 351 00:19:23,814 --> 00:19:24,494 Speaker 1: bases for him. 352 00:19:25,254 --> 00:19:27,974 Speaker 4: I think that they brought her on because an Avanka 353 00:19:28,094 --> 00:19:30,934 Speaker 4: or a Milania would normally have been expected to present 354 00:19:30,974 --> 00:19:33,454 Speaker 4: a kind of softer side of Donald. But neither of 355 00:19:33,494 --> 00:19:35,854 Speaker 4: them clearly wanted to speak, so they had to find someone. 356 00:19:36,254 --> 00:19:39,054 Speaker 4: But Lara and Kimberley kind of stole the show. What 357 00:19:39,214 --> 00:19:42,014 Speaker 4: I think they're trying to do by bringing these women 358 00:19:42,054 --> 00:19:44,894 Speaker 4: out is that they're very proud radicals in a way 359 00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:47,534 Speaker 4: that Avanka never was. Ivanka, in fact, always tried to 360 00:19:47,574 --> 00:19:50,254 Speaker 4: avoid the impression that she was a radical. She was 361 00:19:50,294 --> 00:19:52,694 Speaker 4: brought out to kind of say, hey, maybe Donald Trump's 362 00:19:52,734 --> 00:19:55,334 Speaker 4: not that bad. He cares about affordable childcare, which was 363 00:19:55,374 --> 00:19:58,414 Speaker 4: something you spoke about a lot. She so to soften 364 00:19:58,494 --> 00:20:02,374 Speaker 4: his image broad in his appeal potentially, whereas Kimberly, Gilfoyle 365 00:20:02,414 --> 00:20:05,014 Speaker 4: and Lara Trump are doubling down on his image and 366 00:20:05,054 --> 00:20:07,894 Speaker 4: they're appealing directly to the base rather than to say, 367 00:20:07,934 --> 00:20:10,654 Speaker 4: swing voters. One measure of this is that Ivanka was 368 00:20:10,694 --> 00:20:13,974 Speaker 4: not giving a speech on January sixth to the insurrectionists, 369 00:20:14,254 --> 00:20:18,494 Speaker 4: whereas both Lara and Kimberly gave really fiery speeches to 370 00:20:18,574 --> 00:20:21,054 Speaker 4: the rioters before they descended on the Capitol. 371 00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:26,574 Speaker 1: Do you think these women are a powerful force in 372 00:20:26,694 --> 00:20:30,974 Speaker 1: helping Donald Trump retain the presidency? Do you think this 373 00:20:31,054 --> 00:20:33,054 Speaker 1: is going to make a difference when it comes to 374 00:20:33,094 --> 00:20:34,134 Speaker 1: the election in November. 375 00:20:34,694 --> 00:20:37,734 Speaker 4: I think that what they speak to is how much 376 00:20:37,774 --> 00:20:41,574 Speaker 4: of an echo chamber the Republican Party has become. Any 377 00:20:41,614 --> 00:20:44,454 Speaker 4: political analysts would say that you've got to appeal to 378 00:20:44,454 --> 00:20:46,374 Speaker 4: the people who don't know how they're going to vote. 379 00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:48,534 Speaker 4: Surely those are the people that you need to reach 380 00:20:48,574 --> 00:20:51,134 Speaker 4: if you're going to win an election. Lara Trump and 381 00:20:51,214 --> 00:20:54,414 Speaker 4: Kimberly Gilfoyle were not appealing to anyone who might have 382 00:20:54,534 --> 00:20:56,574 Speaker 4: just turned on the RNC at the end of a 383 00:20:56,574 --> 00:20:58,894 Speaker 4: busy day at work, thinking, maybe i'll learn a bit 384 00:20:58,894 --> 00:21:01,694 Speaker 4: more about this candidate, maybe I'll see whether he can 385 00:21:01,694 --> 00:21:04,574 Speaker 4: convince me to vote for him. They're not reaching people 386 00:21:04,654 --> 00:21:08,014 Speaker 4: who feel ambivalent or who are swing voters. They're reaching 387 00:21:08,254 --> 00:21:12,294 Speaker 4: people who are already fired up about voting for Donald Trump. 388 00:21:12,454 --> 00:21:15,094 Speaker 4: So you have to ask whether this plays into some 389 00:21:15,174 --> 00:21:18,494 Speaker 4: broader strategy whereby maybe they don't care so much about 390 00:21:18,734 --> 00:21:21,294 Speaker 4: the votes and who's going to win the votes. Maybe 391 00:21:21,374 --> 00:21:23,854 Speaker 4: they have something else up their sleeve in terms of 392 00:21:24,254 --> 00:21:28,214 Speaker 4: another January sixth, or another way of circumventing the Democratic 393 00:21:28,254 --> 00:21:31,934 Speaker 4: election results in some way, because this is not political 394 00:21:32,054 --> 00:21:34,614 Speaker 4: orthodoxy to appeal to the people who already know they're 395 00:21:34,694 --> 00:21:37,054 Speaker 4: voting for you versus the people who are still trying 396 00:21:37,054 --> 00:21:37,534 Speaker 4: to decide. 397 00:21:40,734 --> 00:21:42,974 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in today, friends, taking some time to 398 00:21:43,014 --> 00:21:45,854 Speaker 1: feed your mind before you head off today, Hang on 399 00:21:45,894 --> 00:21:48,454 Speaker 1: a tick. Let me tell you about a crazy giveaway 400 00:21:48,494 --> 00:21:52,294 Speaker 1: happening right now. On our sister podcast, Cancel It. 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