1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mumma mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,574 --> 00:00:21,774 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:21,894 --> 00:00:25,134 Speaker 1: I'm Grace Rubrey. This is Mumma Me's twice daily news podcast, 6 00:00:25,214 --> 00:00:28,974 Speaker 1: The Quickie. It seems like everyone has a podcast these days, 7 00:00:29,294 --> 00:00:32,414 Speaker 1: But when did being a podcast host also make you 8 00:00:32,494 --> 00:00:36,494 Speaker 1: a guru shaping views on everything from wellness to politics. 9 00:00:37,134 --> 00:00:40,374 Speaker 1: Is the influence of podcast gurus like Jay Shaddy, Joe 10 00:00:40,454 --> 00:00:43,694 Speaker 1: Rogan and Andrew Huberman a good thing? Or are we 11 00:00:43,774 --> 00:00:46,454 Speaker 1: as listeners falling into the trap of putting too much 12 00:00:46,454 --> 00:00:49,734 Speaker 1: trust in them before we subscribe and binge listen away. 13 00:00:50,014 --> 00:00:52,334 Speaker 1: Here is the latest from the Quickie newsroom for Wednesday, 14 00:00:52,374 --> 00:00:56,654 Speaker 1: October nine. Prime Minister Anthony Alberonezi insists new laws to 15 00:00:56,734 --> 00:01:00,734 Speaker 1: keep the NBN publicly owned will ensure high speed broadband 16 00:01:00,814 --> 00:01:04,894 Speaker 1: remains affordable for all Australians. The Labor government will introduce 17 00:01:04,934 --> 00:01:07,254 Speaker 1: a new bill to Parliament on Wednesday to keep the 18 00:01:07,294 --> 00:01:10,854 Speaker 1: fifty one billion dollar network in public hands. The move 19 00:01:10,854 --> 00:01:13,134 Speaker 1: will put pressure on the Opposition to declare whether it 20 00:01:13,174 --> 00:01:16,054 Speaker 1: plans to privatize the network if it wins power at 21 00:01:16,054 --> 00:01:20,254 Speaker 1: next year's Federal Election Communications Minister Michelle Roland said more 22 00:01:20,254 --> 00:01:22,854 Speaker 1: than eight point five million customers would be worse off 23 00:01:22,894 --> 00:01:26,694 Speaker 1: if the network was privatized. Israel has sent tanks deeper 24 00:01:26,734 --> 00:01:30,374 Speaker 1: into Jabbialia in the Northern Gaza Strip and advised people 25 00:01:30,414 --> 00:01:33,414 Speaker 1: to leave. Israel's army has set its forces are trying 26 00:01:33,414 --> 00:01:36,854 Speaker 1: to stop fighters from her mass staging attacks from Jabbalia 27 00:01:36,894 --> 00:01:40,094 Speaker 1: and wants to prevent them regrouping. Palestinian medics set on 28 00:01:40,134 --> 00:01:42,934 Speaker 1: Tuesday that casualties have been reported in Jabalia, but they 29 00:01:42,974 --> 00:01:46,174 Speaker 1: were unable to reach areas under fire. The World Health 30 00:01:46,254 --> 00:01:49,574 Speaker 1: Organization officials have said the Indonesian hospitals in Northern Gaza 31 00:01:49,654 --> 00:01:51,934 Speaker 1: have also been asked to evacuate. In the past forty 32 00:01:51,934 --> 00:01:55,174 Speaker 1: eight hours. Fewer than half of Gaza's hospitals remain even 33 00:01:55,214 --> 00:01:58,974 Speaker 1: partially functioning. The Israeli military said it had killed many 34 00:01:59,054 --> 00:02:03,694 Speaker 1: Palestinian militants, located weapons, and dismantled military infrastructure in its 35 00:02:03,734 --> 00:02:07,214 Speaker 1: operations in Jabalia. New data from the New South Wales 36 00:02:07,254 --> 00:02:10,854 Speaker 1: Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research found that since coercive 37 00:02:10,934 --> 00:02:15,014 Speaker 1: control legislation was introduced in July, fifty six incidents have 38 00:02:15,094 --> 00:02:18,454 Speaker 1: been recorded by police However, just two of those incidents 39 00:02:18,454 --> 00:02:21,614 Speaker 1: had caught action commenced by August thirty one, which Bureau 40 00:02:21,614 --> 00:02:24,654 Speaker 1: Director Jackie Fitzgerald says could boil down to the nature 41 00:02:24,654 --> 00:02:26,814 Speaker 1: of the offenses and the fact that it's still a 42 00:02:26,854 --> 00:02:30,574 Speaker 1: new offense. Under law, coercive control must involve a series 43 00:02:30,614 --> 00:02:34,854 Speaker 1: of offenses, including harassment, stalking, and financial abuse. The new 44 00:02:34,934 --> 00:02:38,974 Speaker 1: laws banned patterns of abuse used to hurt, scare, intimidate, threaten, 45 00:02:39,094 --> 00:02:43,134 Speaker 1: or control someone, including controlling movements withholding money, or limiting 46 00:02:43,214 --> 00:02:47,174 Speaker 1: access to friends, family, and other associates. Co Acive control 47 00:02:47,214 --> 00:02:50,294 Speaker 1: has been identified as a precursor to ninety seven percent 48 00:02:50,374 --> 00:02:54,014 Speaker 1: of intimate partner domestic violence homicides in New South Wales 49 00:02:54,054 --> 00:02:58,294 Speaker 1: between twenty and twenty eighteen. Graham Norton fans can move 50 00:02:58,334 --> 00:03:00,854 Speaker 1: from their counters streaming the show as the late night 51 00:03:00,934 --> 00:03:04,294 Speaker 1: TV host embarks on his first ever tour down under. 52 00:03:04,814 --> 00:03:07,574 Speaker 1: The Irish comedian is famous for his very high profile 53 00:03:07,614 --> 00:03:10,654 Speaker 1: celebrity guests who tell wilde hals from their lives and 54 00:03:10,694 --> 00:03:13,614 Speaker 1: behind the scenes stories. With the Graham Norton Show running 55 00:03:13,654 --> 00:03:16,574 Speaker 1: for thirty one season so far, Norton is well versed 56 00:03:16,574 --> 00:03:19,654 Speaker 1: to keep fans entertained by reflections of his time on air. 57 00:03:20,054 --> 00:03:22,334 Speaker 1: In a statement, Norton said, I simply can't wait to 58 00:03:22,334 --> 00:03:24,894 Speaker 1: tour Australia for the very first time. Let's have some 59 00:03:25,014 --> 00:03:27,214 Speaker 1: fun while I share some stories about me being on 60 00:03:27,254 --> 00:03:30,454 Speaker 1: the Telly. Audiences can expect to hear the same sharp 61 00:03:30,494 --> 00:03:32,814 Speaker 1: witted humor the sixty one year old award winner is 62 00:03:32,854 --> 00:03:36,014 Speaker 1: all too familiar for and evening with Graham. Norton hits 63 00:03:36,054 --> 00:03:38,614 Speaker 1: the stage in March twenty twenty five in Adelaide, Perth, 64 00:03:38,694 --> 00:03:42,054 Speaker 1: Brisbane and Melbourne, before finishing off at Sydney's Opera House. 65 00:03:42,894 --> 00:03:46,094 Speaker 1: That's your latest news headlines. Next, have we given too 66 00:03:46,134 --> 00:03:49,254 Speaker 1: much power to the male podcast gurus? And are they 67 00:03:49,294 --> 00:04:01,414 Speaker 1: shaping the way we live our lives? Jay Shaddy, Joe 68 00:04:01,534 --> 00:04:05,294 Speaker 1: Rogan and Andrew Huberman. These names are probably familiar if 69 00:04:05,294 --> 00:04:08,774 Speaker 1: you've listened to podcasts on wellness, self improvement, or even 70 00:04:08,774 --> 00:04:12,774 Speaker 1: political comment. Each of them has a unique approach. Let's 71 00:04:12,814 --> 00:04:15,854 Speaker 1: start with Jayshetty. He's the man who married Ben Affleck 72 00:04:15,894 --> 00:04:19,334 Speaker 1: and Jennifer Lopez, the former Hindu monk who's become a 73 00:04:19,414 --> 00:04:23,774 Speaker 1: one man self help empire. Jayshetty's rise to prominence as 74 00:04:23,814 --> 00:04:27,294 Speaker 1: a mental and spiritual wellness Guru is largely based on 75 00:04:27,334 --> 00:04:32,134 Speaker 1: a backstory involving his supposed transformation through monkhood. His podcast 76 00:04:32,254 --> 00:04:35,814 Speaker 1: On Purpose is celebrated as the world's number one mental 77 00:04:35,854 --> 00:04:39,414 Speaker 1: health podcast, with conversations and workshops that are designed to 78 00:04:39,454 --> 00:04:44,094 Speaker 1: help make the listener happier, healthier, and more healed. Second, 79 00:04:44,654 --> 00:04:48,334 Speaker 1: possibly the most infamous of them all, Joe Brogan. He's 80 00:04:48,374 --> 00:04:53,254 Speaker 1: a world famous podcaster, martial artist, stand up comedian, mma commentator, 81 00:04:53,614 --> 00:04:56,414 Speaker 1: co founder of the on Its supplement company, and yes, 82 00:04:56,734 --> 00:04:59,974 Speaker 1: he was the former host of Fear Factor. Hey Hey, 83 00:05:00,014 --> 00:05:00,694 Speaker 1: what are you doing? 84 00:05:00,894 --> 00:05:01,374 Speaker 2: What are you doing? 85 00:05:01,454 --> 00:05:05,614 Speaker 1: You can assault people With his multimillion dollar Spotify deal. 86 00:05:06,014 --> 00:05:08,454 Speaker 1: You'd think that's what makes him so appealing, but for 87 00:05:08,534 --> 00:05:11,374 Speaker 1: many only draws people to Joe is that at the 88 00:05:11,414 --> 00:05:14,294 Speaker 1: end of the day, he just feels like a regular 89 00:05:14,414 --> 00:05:18,414 Speaker 1: Joe talking about life and facts and empowering his audience. 90 00:05:19,174 --> 00:05:21,014 Speaker 1: And lastly, the man who has been in the news 91 00:05:21,014 --> 00:05:25,334 Speaker 1: most recently, Andrew Huberman Humanman is a neuroscientist and professor 92 00:05:25,374 --> 00:05:28,254 Speaker 1: at Stamford, where he studies how the brain works develops 93 00:05:28,294 --> 00:05:32,374 Speaker 1: and rewires itself. He's made some major breakthroughs in understanding 94 00:05:32,454 --> 00:05:35,454 Speaker 1: how our nervous system can learn new behaviors and skills. 95 00:05:36,214 --> 00:05:39,294 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, he launched the Hubanman Lab podcast, 96 00:05:39,814 --> 00:05:42,294 Speaker 1: which quickly became a hit. It's often in the top 97 00:05:42,334 --> 00:05:46,334 Speaker 1: ten podcasts worldwide and frequently ranks number one in the Science, Education, 98 00:05:46,734 --> 00:05:50,254 Speaker 1: and Health and fitness categories. These three men have become 99 00:05:50,374 --> 00:05:53,614 Speaker 1: key voices in the health and wellness space, promoting open 100 00:05:53,654 --> 00:06:00,374 Speaker 1: dialogue and inspiring wellness goals. Their content has captivated global audiences, consistently, 101 00:06:00,414 --> 00:06:02,734 Speaker 1: making their work some of the most listened to in 102 00:06:02,774 --> 00:06:06,174 Speaker 1: the world, boasting more than forty million listeners between the 103 00:06:06,214 --> 00:06:09,814 Speaker 1: three of them. However, a common thread among them these 104 00:06:09,854 --> 00:06:12,974 Speaker 1: men is that their stories aren't always as transparent as 105 00:06:12,974 --> 00:06:17,654 Speaker 1: they appear. Their alternative messaging often creates challenges for experts 106 00:06:17,974 --> 00:06:21,654 Speaker 1: given the significant influence they wheeled over everyday people. So 107 00:06:21,734 --> 00:06:24,494 Speaker 1: let's look at these three men again. People close to 108 00:06:24,574 --> 00:06:27,534 Speaker 1: Jay Shetty have questioned the authenticity of his time in 109 00:06:27,574 --> 00:06:30,854 Speaker 1: a monastery, which was partly based in a temple near London, 110 00:06:31,254 --> 00:06:34,254 Speaker 1: not just in an Indian ashram as he often suggests. 111 00:06:35,094 --> 00:06:39,134 Speaker 1: A journalist became skeptical after attending Shetty's live show, where 112 00:06:39,294 --> 00:06:44,014 Speaker 1: uncomfortable public interactions were used to promote his teaching. Research 113 00:06:44,054 --> 00:06:48,734 Speaker 1: revealed allegations of Shetty plagiarizing content and misrepresenting his background. 114 00:06:49,294 --> 00:06:52,814 Speaker 1: Shetty's Life Coaching School, which charges large sums of money, 115 00:06:52,974 --> 00:06:58,774 Speaker 1: claims accreditation by prestigious institutions, but further investigation showed misleading claims. 116 00:06:59,774 --> 00:07:01,894 Speaker 1: By now, you would know that Joe Rogan's views are 117 00:07:01,894 --> 00:07:04,574 Speaker 1: pretty all over the shop. His voice support for things 118 00:07:04,614 --> 00:07:08,054 Speaker 1: like same sex marriage, recreational drug use, universal health care, 119 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:10,934 Speaker 1: and universal basic income. But at the same time he's 120 00:07:10,974 --> 00:07:13,334 Speaker 1: been a big advocate for gun rights and free speech. 121 00:07:13,654 --> 00:07:16,094 Speaker 1: He's been vocal about his issues with cancel culture and 122 00:07:16,094 --> 00:07:19,414 Speaker 1: military interventions. Rogan's also gotten a lot of heat for 123 00:07:19,494 --> 00:07:24,614 Speaker 1: promoting conspiracy theories, making controversial comments about COVID nineteen vaccines, 124 00:07:24,854 --> 00:07:29,054 Speaker 1: and hosting guests who spread misinformation. His views on transgender 125 00:07:29,094 --> 00:07:31,974 Speaker 1: athletes and remarks about AIDS have also sparked a lot 126 00:07:32,014 --> 00:07:35,694 Speaker 1: of controversy. And now Andrew Huberman, with a long list 127 00:07:35,694 --> 00:07:39,854 Speaker 1: of credentials and endearingly earnest, he too has had controversy. 128 00:07:39,894 --> 00:07:43,214 Speaker 1: This year. A New York Magazine article revealed a stark 129 00:07:43,254 --> 00:07:47,974 Speaker 1: contrast between his public image and allegations of infidelity. Additionally, 130 00:07:48,014 --> 00:07:50,974 Speaker 1: he's accused of exaggerating his role at Stanford, where he 131 00:07:51,014 --> 00:07:53,654 Speaker 1: claims to have a lab, which some sources suggest is 132 00:07:53,694 --> 00:07:57,334 Speaker 1: not as substantial as he portrays. Critics also challenge his 133 00:07:57,454 --> 00:08:01,094 Speaker 1: health advice, arguing he cherry picks data from animal studies 134 00:08:01,374 --> 00:08:05,374 Speaker 1: to make unsupported claims about human health. He promotes supplements 135 00:08:05,414 --> 00:08:08,814 Speaker 1: with negative side effects, and has also made controversial statements 136 00:08:08,894 --> 00:08:12,854 Speaker 1: such as claiming sunscreen molecules remain in neurons for a decade, 137 00:08:13,214 --> 00:08:16,134 Speaker 1: also saying he's just as scared of sunscreen as he 138 00:08:16,254 --> 00:08:17,494 Speaker 1: is of melanoma. 139 00:08:17,614 --> 00:08:19,574 Speaker 2: Here's what I think is important for people know not 140 00:08:19,654 --> 00:08:22,974 Speaker 2: all sunscreens are safe, not all cosmetic lotions are safe, 141 00:08:22,974 --> 00:08:24,494 Speaker 2: not all cosmetics are safe. 142 00:08:24,814 --> 00:08:28,134 Speaker 1: Despite their differences in opinions and the messages they push, 143 00:08:28,574 --> 00:08:32,174 Speaker 1: all three have built an almost cult like following. So 144 00:08:32,214 --> 00:08:34,654 Speaker 1: how does a podcast go from being just that a 145 00:08:34,694 --> 00:08:38,254 Speaker 1: podcast to becoming a guru podcast? And at what point 146 00:08:38,294 --> 00:08:41,894 Speaker 1: does it cross into something unhealthy, perhaps even a cult. 147 00:08:42,774 --> 00:08:45,334 Speaker 1: Doctor Haley North is a neuroscientist and the founder of 148 00:08:45,414 --> 00:08:48,334 Speaker 1: Understand Your Brain. She agrees that while the growing interest 149 00:08:48,414 --> 00:08:51,694 Speaker 1: in evidence based health strategies is a positive trend, there's 150 00:08:51,734 --> 00:08:54,454 Speaker 1: also a risk in accepting advice from those we hold 151 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:58,014 Speaker 1: in high esteem. In fact, a healthy dose of skepticism 152 00:08:58,334 --> 00:09:01,454 Speaker 1: is always needed. Hailey, would you describe the influence that 153 00:09:01,454 --> 00:09:04,814 Speaker 1: these podcast hosts have as a parasocial relationship? 154 00:09:05,934 --> 00:09:08,454 Speaker 2: I guess, So, to be honest, when you start to 155 00:09:08,534 --> 00:09:12,454 Speaker 2: have I guess, a guru status, what happens is this 156 00:09:12,614 --> 00:09:15,974 Speaker 2: bias that we have called the bandwagon effect comes into play, 157 00:09:16,334 --> 00:09:19,774 Speaker 2: which means that just because something's very popular, we tend 158 00:09:19,854 --> 00:09:22,734 Speaker 2: to believe it as true. So what happens when they 159 00:09:22,894 --> 00:09:26,334 Speaker 2: just become incredibly popular is a lot of people tend 160 00:09:26,334 --> 00:09:29,334 Speaker 2: to just believe absolutely everything that comes out of their mouth, 161 00:09:29,374 --> 00:09:31,934 Speaker 2: and that can be quite dangerous when it's not necessarily 162 00:09:31,934 --> 00:09:33,254 Speaker 2: backed up by evidence. 163 00:09:34,054 --> 00:09:38,214 Speaker 1: Are there psychological effects both positive and negative from following 164 00:09:38,214 --> 00:09:40,454 Speaker 1: a guru and it being the way that they're sort 165 00:09:40,494 --> 00:09:43,214 Speaker 1: of seeking life advice or self help. 166 00:09:43,894 --> 00:09:47,654 Speaker 2: There is a big difference depending on the qualifications and 167 00:09:48,054 --> 00:09:52,254 Speaker 2: understanding of the topic of the actual podcaster. But even 168 00:09:52,334 --> 00:09:56,294 Speaker 2: in saying that, even the biggest experts, if they're really 169 00:09:56,334 --> 00:10:00,654 Speaker 2: promoting this biohacking, which is really this trying to get 170 00:10:00,654 --> 00:10:04,934 Speaker 2: the absolute most out of our bodies, people can have 171 00:10:05,014 --> 00:10:07,854 Speaker 2: an unhealthy obsession with self optimization. 172 00:10:08,134 --> 00:10:09,734 Speaker 1: So this can lead. 173 00:10:09,774 --> 00:10:13,974 Speaker 2: To constantly seeking better performance, and it can end up 174 00:10:14,014 --> 00:10:17,974 Speaker 2: causing a lot of strain and anxiety, and some cases 175 00:10:18,014 --> 00:10:21,054 Speaker 2: it can develop into eating disorders. If people become so 176 00:10:21,254 --> 00:10:25,014 Speaker 2: obsessed with monitoring absolutely everything that they eat, it it 177 00:10:25,014 --> 00:10:28,974 Speaker 2: can become very overwhelming. I guess that's one side of 178 00:10:29,014 --> 00:10:30,774 Speaker 2: the picture. But the other side is that you know, 179 00:10:30,814 --> 00:10:33,814 Speaker 2: if you're taking advice from experts in the field on 180 00:10:34,214 --> 00:10:37,134 Speaker 2: certain matters, that can also be really beneficial. If we're 181 00:10:37,574 --> 00:10:41,094 Speaker 2: becoming more aware of the science behind things to help 182 00:10:41,094 --> 00:10:43,774 Speaker 2: improve our health and well being, and mental health can 183 00:10:43,814 --> 00:10:46,894 Speaker 2: be really really beneficial too. So I guess my advice 184 00:10:46,974 --> 00:10:50,814 Speaker 2: is really look into the qualifications of who the guests are, 185 00:10:50,894 --> 00:10:53,934 Speaker 2: who the podcast hosts are, and make sure they really 186 00:10:53,934 --> 00:10:56,854 Speaker 2: do understand the topic that they're talking about. 187 00:10:57,094 --> 00:10:59,654 Speaker 1: In your opinion, is there a reason people might opt 188 00:10:59,734 --> 00:11:02,934 Speaker 1: to follow or listen to one of these podcast gurus 189 00:11:02,974 --> 00:11:07,294 Speaker 1: and they're following sort of celebrity advice over traditional doctors 190 00:11:07,374 --> 00:11:09,814 Speaker 1: or psychologists. Is that that they're just doing a better 191 00:11:09,894 --> 00:11:12,494 Speaker 1: job of marketing themselves to be more knowledgeable. 192 00:11:13,014 --> 00:11:16,454 Speaker 2: I would imagine. So, I guess the thing is when 193 00:11:16,494 --> 00:11:20,334 Speaker 2: you become so popular and your friends are talking about them. 194 00:11:20,334 --> 00:11:21,534 Speaker 1: Oh did you listen to this? Oh? 195 00:11:21,614 --> 00:11:24,374 Speaker 2: I listen to this? We all start to think, oh, well, 196 00:11:24,414 --> 00:11:26,694 Speaker 2: I've got to be listening to that everyone else's, you know. 197 00:11:26,814 --> 00:11:29,454 Speaker 2: So the more people who are listening to them, the 198 00:11:29,534 --> 00:11:31,614 Speaker 2: more people want to listen to them. Because of that, 199 00:11:31,894 --> 00:11:34,654 Speaker 2: you know, bandwagon effect. Again, we think, oh, well, they're 200 00:11:34,654 --> 00:11:38,014 Speaker 2: really popular, so they must be giving the best advice. 201 00:11:38,094 --> 00:11:42,894 Speaker 2: So sometimes there's that issue where popularity doesn't necessarily equal 202 00:11:43,174 --> 00:11:46,414 Speaker 2: the truth. But then that becomes quite problematic. 203 00:11:47,094 --> 00:11:51,294 Speaker 1: Do you think charismatic figures such as you know, Andrew 204 00:11:51,334 --> 00:11:56,254 Speaker 1: Humman can affect our decision making and we're potentially listening 205 00:11:56,254 --> 00:12:00,534 Speaker 1: to incorrect facts and taking them on as facts. I 206 00:12:00,574 --> 00:12:00,974 Speaker 1: think so. 207 00:12:01,254 --> 00:12:05,494 Speaker 2: I think he is quite careful to represent facts that 208 00:12:05,694 --> 00:12:07,654 Speaker 2: are backed by science, but I think there are a 209 00:12:07,694 --> 00:12:11,134 Speaker 2: lot of things he says that might not necessarily apply 210 00:12:11,214 --> 00:12:15,134 Speaker 2: to absolutely everyone. So how a lot of our scientific 211 00:12:15,174 --> 00:12:18,974 Speaker 2: studies work is that we take a sample population and 212 00:12:19,454 --> 00:12:21,854 Speaker 2: you look at the average and say, oh, on average, 213 00:12:21,894 --> 00:12:27,214 Speaker 2: this particular I guess treatment or this particular paradigm or 214 00:12:27,254 --> 00:12:30,854 Speaker 2: protocol that you can be doing will benefit most people. 215 00:12:30,934 --> 00:12:33,574 Speaker 2: But there's also always people that it doesn't benefit or 216 00:12:33,614 --> 00:12:36,534 Speaker 2: doesn't change. So it is really important to remember that 217 00:12:36,534 --> 00:12:40,094 Speaker 2: where all individuals and every piece of advice isn't actually 218 00:12:40,094 --> 00:12:43,814 Speaker 2: going to benefit us as individuals based on our own biology, 219 00:12:43,894 --> 00:12:46,734 Speaker 2: our own brains, our own personal differences. 220 00:12:47,454 --> 00:12:52,414 Speaker 1: How can misinformation in popular media such as podcasts leave 221 00:12:52,454 --> 00:12:55,534 Speaker 1: to harmful health behaviors among general public? 222 00:12:56,614 --> 00:13:01,374 Speaker 2: Oh well, misinformation in general is hugely problematic, especially when 223 00:13:01,374 --> 00:13:05,254 Speaker 2: it comes to these areas that a lot of podcasters 224 00:13:05,334 --> 00:13:09,894 Speaker 2: are talking about so biohacking. It can be small issues like, oh, 225 00:13:09,934 --> 00:13:14,334 Speaker 2: you might be buying supplements that don't actually do anything, 226 00:13:14,374 --> 00:13:17,294 Speaker 2: so it's just wasting money and a time where you know, 227 00:13:17,614 --> 00:13:20,214 Speaker 2: there's a bit of a financial crisis and a lot 228 00:13:20,214 --> 00:13:22,894 Speaker 2: of pressure on us. So that can be problematic if 229 00:13:22,894 --> 00:13:25,454 Speaker 2: we're buying all of these things that aren't necessarily backed 230 00:13:25,454 --> 00:13:28,934 Speaker 2: by science. But then you know, there's these other unhealthy 231 00:13:29,014 --> 00:13:32,094 Speaker 2: issues where we become obsessed with trying to enhance ourselves 232 00:13:32,174 --> 00:13:34,934 Speaker 2: and you know, starting to think that we're not good 233 00:13:35,014 --> 00:13:38,414 Speaker 2: enough because we don't have absolute peak performance in all 234 00:13:38,494 --> 00:13:41,054 Speaker 2: aspects of our lives. You know, we have to be 235 00:13:41,214 --> 00:13:44,174 Speaker 2: human and have time for so many different things in 236 00:13:44,214 --> 00:13:48,294 Speaker 2: our life. We can't be constantly trying to optimize every aspect, 237 00:13:48,294 --> 00:13:52,494 Speaker 2: because that can be really stressful and problematic in the end. 238 00:13:53,094 --> 00:13:56,414 Speaker 1: What strategies do you think listeners can employ to critically 239 00:13:56,454 --> 00:14:01,414 Speaker 1: evaluate information that is presented by podcast gurus and distinguish 240 00:14:01,494 --> 00:14:05,454 Speaker 1: between that credible advice and potentially harmful misinformation. 241 00:14:06,614 --> 00:14:08,454 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a couple of ways we can 242 00:14:08,574 --> 00:14:12,254 Speaker 2: look at the credibility. Firstly, you'd look at the credibility 243 00:14:12,294 --> 00:14:15,814 Speaker 2: of the person giving the advice, So what's their background, 244 00:14:15,934 --> 00:14:19,054 Speaker 2: Are they educated in the particular topic they're talking about. 245 00:14:19,374 --> 00:14:23,014 Speaker 2: The others, whether you think they might have a financial 246 00:14:23,094 --> 00:14:26,534 Speaker 2: incentive to be promoting something. So that's a huge issue 247 00:14:26,574 --> 00:14:29,654 Speaker 2: when they might be sponsored by a particular supplement and 248 00:14:29,654 --> 00:14:32,694 Speaker 2: then they're saying, oh, this supplement's great, Well, there's definitely 249 00:14:32,694 --> 00:14:36,454 Speaker 2: a conflict of interest there. So making sure you are 250 00:14:36,534 --> 00:14:40,534 Speaker 2: aware that these podcasters are getting paid to promote things 251 00:14:40,654 --> 00:14:45,054 Speaker 2: sometimes and just being aware that, okay, well they're going 252 00:14:45,094 --> 00:14:47,454 Speaker 2: to be biased if they're being paid to promote this. 253 00:14:48,174 --> 00:14:52,854 Speaker 2: One of my feelings about this whole you know, gurification 254 00:14:53,014 --> 00:14:56,334 Speaker 2: of the podcasters is that often it's the male podcasters 255 00:14:56,374 --> 00:15:00,974 Speaker 2: that are being so charismatic, getting these huge cult followings 256 00:15:01,374 --> 00:15:04,934 Speaker 2: and sometimes we're missing that female voice in the picture there. 257 00:15:04,974 --> 00:15:07,454 Speaker 2: So I think that's something to that we as a 258 00:15:07,494 --> 00:15:09,974 Speaker 2: society can do and think, am I just listening to 259 00:15:10,014 --> 00:15:12,174 Speaker 2: the male voice in the podcast that I'm listening to, 260 00:15:12,254 --> 00:15:17,454 Speaker 2: Because there's some incredible female podcasters out there as well. 261 00:15:17,694 --> 00:15:21,054 Speaker 1: So while these gurus may inspire and guide, it's crucial 262 00:15:21,054 --> 00:15:24,294 Speaker 1: we don't take everything they say as gospel. After all, 263 00:15:24,654 --> 00:15:27,334 Speaker 1: we're the only ones responsible for discerning what advice is 264 00:15:27,374 --> 00:15:31,054 Speaker 1: truly valuable and what's just noise. Thanks for taking some 265 00:15:31,134 --> 00:15:33,534 Speaker 1: time to feed your mind with us today. The quickie 266 00:15:33,614 --> 00:15:36,054 Speaker 1: is produced by me Grace Rufrey and our senior producer, 267 00:15:36,134 --> 00:15:38,734 Speaker 1: Taylor Strano, with audio production by Jacob Brown.