WEBVTT - Two Icons. One Logie. Internet Beef. 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:23.847 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 0:00:23.927 --> 0:00:26.607 Mamma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking 0:00:26.647 --> 0:00:29.647 about on Wednesday, the twenty fourth of July. I'm Holly 0:00:29.687 --> 0:00:30.967 Wayne right, I'm brat. 0:00:32.447 --> 0:00:35.087 I'm not brat. You can't you're not allowed. I read 0:00:35.127 --> 0:00:37.967 you're not allowed to self identify. Someone else has to 0:00:38.007 --> 0:00:40.647 call you back. Now you've ruined it. That is the 0:00:40.687 --> 0:00:43.167 sound of gen Z's everywhere being like, oh cool. She's 0:00:43.247 --> 0:00:47.247 ruined a whole movement and probably undermined Kamala Harris's campaign. 0:00:46.967 --> 0:00:48.887 Take it back. 0:00:49.047 --> 0:00:51.767 I'm me Friedman and I'm Jesse Stevens and I have 0:00:52.047 --> 0:00:54.087 a very exciting announcement, which is, I don't know if 0:00:54.087 --> 0:00:57.327 you too know this, you're pregnant. No stop it. But 0:00:57.727 --> 0:01:03.087 there's actually a subscriber episode on that very topic. People there, No, 0:01:03.487 --> 0:01:05.967 this is about, you know, move our exercise app. If 0:01:05.967 --> 0:01:08.887 you're a Mummy subscriber you get unlimited access. There is 0:01:08.967 --> 0:01:12.487 a new collection. It's called the Lazy Girl Collection, fully 0:01:12.647 --> 0:01:15.287 endorsed by Clay ay Night. 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I knew I was going to work 0:01:39.887 --> 0:01:41.407 and I was just going to be sitting a lot. 0:01:41.767 --> 0:01:43.247 So this is exactly what I mean. 0:01:43.287 --> 0:01:45.447 Yeah, so there's six of them. It's your whole week 0:01:45.447 --> 0:01:47.967 because you need a preak obviously, come exercising every day. 0:01:48.207 --> 0:01:51.367 But it's also good if you've just been injured. You know, 0:01:51.447 --> 0:01:53.087 when you've got misery and then you try and come 0:01:53.127 --> 0:01:55.047 back to it, and all the exercises are like, here's 0:01:55.087 --> 0:01:57.687 forty five minutes of jumping. Yeah, this is just a 0:01:57.727 --> 0:02:00.247 knees back in nice. So we have a discount code 0:02:00.247 --> 0:02:02.727 for out louders. 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Just a bit drunk, 0:02:41.127 --> 0:02:42.807 but first mea Friedman. 0:02:43.287 --> 0:02:45.327 In case you missed it, the Matildas do not like 0:02:45.367 --> 0:02:46.607 their Olympic uniforms. 0:02:46.687 --> 0:02:47.727 Stuff not happy. 0:02:48.127 --> 0:02:51.567 Mackenzie Arnold and Alana Kennedy posted a TikTok that has 0:02:51.607 --> 0:02:55.727 gone viral revealing the outfits that they will wear to 0:02:55.847 --> 0:02:57.167 represent Australia. 0:02:57.247 --> 0:02:59.887 I don't know if this is real. I think I 0:02:59.927 --> 0:03:01.687 saw them and in fact, when it's part of the 0:03:01.727 --> 0:03:03.847 whole outfit with the blazer, it doesn't look bad. 0:03:05.207 --> 0:03:07.007 It looks I guess this isn't what they're going to 0:03:07.007 --> 0:03:12.007 play in it. Yeah, so I know that podcast is 0:03:12.007 --> 0:03:14.727 not a visual medium, but we'll post footage on our socials. 0:03:14.767 --> 0:03:19.967 But a strappy green and gold dress with a pleated skirt. 0:03:20.007 --> 0:03:23.967 It kind of looks like a leotard with vignette of 0:03:24.047 --> 0:03:25.207 yellow to green. 0:03:25.807 --> 0:03:28.127 I wore a kilt as part of my school uniform, 0:03:28.167 --> 0:03:30.727 my current quarter kilt. That's what this is giving me. 0:03:30.807 --> 0:03:31.767 It's a three quarter kils. 0:03:31.807 --> 0:03:33.807 It's a bit in that ball dressy but with spaghettish. 0:03:34.167 --> 0:03:37.087 Yeah. Some of the suggestions have been that it looks 0:03:37.127 --> 0:03:38.687 like they might be going to the beach or their 0:03:38.767 --> 0:03:41.527 year ten formal. Others have said, as you did, Jesse, 0:03:41.847 --> 0:03:45.887 it's giving Australian primary school sports uniforms from the ninety Yeah, yeah, 0:03:45.927 --> 0:03:49.167 yeah the plate. Some say it's giving family photos and 0:03:49.207 --> 0:03:53.367 your mum's picked everyone matching outfits. And then someone said, 0:03:53.527 --> 0:03:56.367 I honestly could not guess the sport based on this uniform. 0:03:56.447 --> 0:03:59.367 My best guess is a combination of swimming, jazzus size 0:03:59.487 --> 0:04:00.047 and tennis. 0:04:01.047 --> 0:04:05.247 My Matulder's badwagon is revving as who's getting on, Who's coming? 0:04:05.407 --> 0:04:07.607 I'll get on the only problem is because we're all 0:04:07.647 --> 0:04:12.887 excited about the Olympics, freakin' Europe because the first Matilda's 0:04:12.927 --> 0:04:16.767 game is on Friday, but it's at three a m. 0:04:16.967 --> 0:04:20.207 What if we get the first Matilda's game is against Germany. 0:04:20.447 --> 0:04:22.407 It's at three am on Friday morning. It's sort of 0:04:22.447 --> 0:04:25.247 before the big official kickoff of the Olympics. I'm more 0:04:25.247 --> 0:04:27.687 excited about the Matilda than anything else. But am I 0:04:27.807 --> 0:04:29.087 really getting up at three ams? 0:04:29.087 --> 0:04:29.407 You know what? 0:04:29.447 --> 0:04:30.967 It's good for our out loud as who are shift 0:04:31.007 --> 0:04:32.967 workers or insomniacs, or. 0:04:32.927 --> 0:04:35.327 Have perry yes, or have babies. 0:04:35.727 --> 0:04:35.927 Yes. 0:04:36.167 --> 0:04:39.087 I'm excited for the swimming. I like the gymnastics, light, 0:04:39.167 --> 0:04:40.527 the diving, I like all of it. But I like 0:04:40.647 --> 0:04:42.287 just turning on the TV and I don't know what 0:04:42.327 --> 0:04:44.647 I'm gonna watch and I end up, you know, seeing 0:04:44.727 --> 0:04:48.047 some Polish person do the splits. That's what I enjoy doing. 0:04:48.487 --> 0:04:51.727 But I have been deep on TikTok in the Olympic village, 0:04:51.727 --> 0:04:54.567 our Olympic TikTok before the Olympics have started. I've been 0:04:54.607 --> 0:04:57.247 living in the Olympic village. So here's what I know. Firstly, 0:04:57.287 --> 0:04:59.207 they're allowed to post as much content as they like. 0:04:59.407 --> 0:05:00.927 I don't think that's always been the case. 0:05:01.007 --> 0:05:01.807 Isn't that interesting. 0:05:01.887 --> 0:05:03.967 So I think in other years there's been like a 0:05:04.047 --> 0:05:06.767 no social media policy, and now I think that it's 0:05:06.807 --> 0:05:11.447 become so endemic to people's identity, and it's also their hobbies. 0:05:11.487 --> 0:05:14.567 Like making TikTok content is a good sort of distraction 0:05:14.887 --> 0:05:15.807 in a positive way. 0:05:15.887 --> 0:05:18.847 Yeah, it's fabulous. They're all going viral. It's very kind 0:05:18.847 --> 0:05:22.087 of basic. The room like a hostel, like a bit 0:05:22.247 --> 0:05:26.327 like a hostel. The beds are made, the base is cardboard, 0:05:26.807 --> 0:05:30.447 and the actual mattress is like foam. And I'm really 0:05:30.527 --> 0:05:33.407 concerned because I just don't see how you're a few. 0:05:33.487 --> 0:05:36.447 I think Tilly Kerns, who's an Australian Olympian, said, you know, 0:05:36.567 --> 0:05:39.207 she's not sleeping very well. And I'm worried about performing. 0:05:38.927 --> 0:05:40.927 Some of these tiktoks and you can turn they're like 0:05:41.007 --> 0:05:42.607 if you think about the kind of cushion that you 0:05:42.727 --> 0:05:45.807 put on an outdoor chair, like really thin. But then 0:05:45.847 --> 0:05:48.087 there's a firm side and a soft side. And I 0:05:48.167 --> 0:05:51.167 was watching some of the Matilna's saying they're not sleeping 0:05:51.527 --> 0:05:53.247 and they went, oh, we'll turn it over to the 0:05:53.247 --> 0:05:53.687 soft side. 0:05:53.687 --> 0:05:55.567 And they went, oh, that was the soft. 0:05:55.287 --> 0:05:57.927 Now was the soft side? I tell us they're good 0:05:57.967 --> 0:06:00.047 bed They need good beds because they need their rest. 0:06:00.687 --> 0:06:03.487 I remember when I was growing up, So I was 0:06:03.487 --> 0:06:06.367 in year four when the Sydney Olympics happened and we 0:06:06.447 --> 0:06:09.247 needed bunk beds two says twins, and we bought themselves 0:06:09.287 --> 0:06:10.567 in hand from the Olympic village. 0:06:13.927 --> 0:06:15.727 Were who slept in your bed? Do you think? 0:06:15.847 --> 0:06:16.007 Yes? 0:06:16.127 --> 0:06:16.447 I think? 0:06:17.927 --> 0:06:18.127 Is that what? 0:06:18.207 --> 0:06:18.367 It was? 0:06:18.407 --> 0:06:19.127 So long? Yeah? 0:06:19.207 --> 0:06:20.767 Yeah, so they were a little bit long, but you 0:06:20.767 --> 0:06:23.327 could also get which is the case. He could get extenders, 0:06:23.367 --> 0:06:25.687 which some of the Olympians do need they at all 0:06:25.727 --> 0:06:27.007 because they're reach to the basketball. 0:06:27.487 --> 0:06:29.007 Your parents could have just bought one bed and you 0:06:29.007 --> 0:06:30.847 could have slept end to end exactly right. 0:06:31.007 --> 0:06:36.047 Yeah, I remember them so rividly. Australia's biggest TV personalities 0:06:36.127 --> 0:06:38.967 are fighting over a gold LOGI and when I mentioned 0:06:39.127 --> 0:06:42.007 this story this morning, I need you to know that 0:06:42.127 --> 0:06:45.687 Holly frantically rubbed her hands together. She started bouncing on 0:06:45.687 --> 0:06:48.887 the shop. She started just like flapping her arms around. 0:06:48.927 --> 0:06:52.447 She was like, tell me more salivating. She physically leaned 0:06:52.527 --> 0:06:56.687 in and I've never seen her more animated about a story. 0:06:56.807 --> 0:06:58.927 Why do you think it's number one on our rundown today? 0:06:59.047 --> 0:06:59.447 Exactly. 0:06:59.567 --> 0:07:03.167 I was like, really it must be First, she started panting, 0:07:03.327 --> 0:07:06.087 nothing is more important? When I informed her that the 0:07:06.407 --> 0:07:10.207 Robert Irwin and the Lynn McGranger. I'm going to use 0:07:10.207 --> 0:07:12.847 the word feud because it excites Holly. Allow me to 0:07:12.887 --> 0:07:14.007 explain who she again. 0:07:14.127 --> 0:07:16.607 It pushes a button for me from my old tabloid day. 0:07:16.807 --> 0:07:21.807 I'm feud shock miracle baby. 0:07:21.927 --> 0:07:29.727 I'm just like, is just like all right. Lynn McGranger 0:07:29.927 --> 0:07:32.647 is of course home and away fame. She has been by. 0:07:36.727 --> 0:07:39.407 She might be an out loud because Adau is and 0:07:39.487 --> 0:07:43.127 they're good mates. They are good mates anyway, Hi, Iilen, 0:07:43.287 --> 0:07:44.287 if you're listening. 0:07:44.367 --> 0:07:45.887 There are no villains in this story. 0:07:46.287 --> 0:07:48.687 Up for the Gold LOGI I'm team Irene. Just can 0:07:48.687 --> 0:07:50.327 I be clear before we start? 0:07:50.487 --> 0:07:53.807 Okay, Well, this year we've got Larry Emder, We've got 0:07:53.847 --> 0:07:55.607 Julia Morris. These are the people who are up for 0:07:55.607 --> 0:07:59.327 the Gold log Sonya Krueger, Tony Armstrong, Andy Lee, Robert 0:07:59.367 --> 0:08:03.327 Erwin and Asha Ketty. Larry Emder. We love Larry. He 0:08:03.447 --> 0:08:07.287 posted about his nomination and Lynn McGranger saw it. She 0:08:07.447 --> 0:08:10.407 thought I leave a little comment and she I'm sorry, 0:08:10.527 --> 0:08:12.687 but old mate Irwin has been on Telly for a 0:08:12.687 --> 0:08:15.567 bloody minute. No disrespect intended. 0:08:15.447 --> 0:08:15.927 Old mate. 0:08:16.007 --> 0:08:18.287 That's what I said when I heard that, exactly what 0:08:18.287 --> 0:08:18.647 you said. 0:08:18.687 --> 0:08:19.207 So sorry. 0:08:19.487 --> 0:08:24.127 Is Lynn mcgrange nominated for I thought she was nominated. 0:08:24.327 --> 0:08:26.807 She was supporting her friend Larry. Oh, I see so, 0:08:27.087 --> 0:08:30.927 Larry replied, are you starting an Internet future? Lynn? Which 0:08:31.007 --> 0:08:36.287 I love you, mom, starting on face exactly. I'm just 0:08:37.167 --> 0:08:41.047 don't care, Lynn replied, could be, honey, So she just 0:08:41.087 --> 0:08:44.167 put some little Lynn. Yeah, she's just there for the tea. 0:08:44.887 --> 0:08:48.767 That's when Julia Morris Robert Erwin's co host from I'm 0:08:48.767 --> 0:08:51.407 a Celebrity and also rival for the Gold LOGI, yeah, 0:08:51.407 --> 0:08:54.007 she got involved. She's having none of it, she said. 0:08:54.047 --> 0:08:56.207 I understand that people aren't exposed to people from other 0:08:56.247 --> 0:08:59.447 networks very often. I think Lynn's love for Larry. Everyone 0:08:59.447 --> 0:09:01.407 looks at Larry and they're like, Larry deserves it, He's 0:09:01.447 --> 0:09:04.527 been around forever. Well, my answer to that is everyone 0:09:04.567 --> 0:09:06.847 deserves it on that list. I totally get the sentiment 0:09:07.287 --> 0:09:09.007 where you want to protect and fiercely fight for the 0:09:09.047 --> 0:09:11.847 per newer door, but it's not appropriate to call out 0:09:11.887 --> 0:09:15.007 somebody else at someone else's expense. And Lynn knows better 0:09:15.047 --> 0:09:17.447 than that. She went on to praise Lynn's incredible career, 0:09:17.687 --> 0:09:19.767 and she said that she's sure it just comes from 0:09:19.767 --> 0:09:21.807 a place of loyalty to good old Larry. 0:09:21.927 --> 0:09:23.607 I'd like to see Asher enter the chat. 0:09:24.047 --> 0:09:26.967 Where's can you imagine? 0:09:27.807 --> 0:09:31.367 She's not even posing for the group photo. She's busy 0:09:31.367 --> 0:09:32.967 on sets being brilliant. 0:09:33.527 --> 0:09:36.047 Now, it's be clear important to note, and you might 0:09:36.087 --> 0:09:38.487 have missed this detail, but Larry did speak to a 0:09:38.487 --> 0:09:42.087 celebrity psychic on air, and the celebrity psychic predicted that 0:09:42.127 --> 0:09:43.287 there will be no gold for him. 0:09:43.687 --> 0:09:45.967 Oh I did How was his poker face? 0:09:46.807 --> 0:09:48.607 He took it. He took it really well, and he 0:09:48.607 --> 0:09:51.527 said I have heard that, oh Larry. Now, I love 0:09:51.567 --> 0:09:54.007 some awards beef because everyone pretends I don't care, but 0:09:54.047 --> 0:09:58.247 everyone really cares. And there has been some commentary about 0:09:58.287 --> 0:10:02.287 twenty year old Robert Erwin's nomination. Maya you think Lynn 0:10:02.287 --> 0:10:02.767 has a point? 0:10:02.847 --> 0:10:04.407 I do, I really do. 0:10:04.847 --> 0:10:08.767 Look, I'm sure that Robert is a lovely young man, 0:10:10.087 --> 0:10:13.527 and I'm sure maybe he will have a big future 0:10:13.567 --> 0:10:16.327 in television, but he has not earned. 0:10:16.567 --> 0:10:19.687 Oh do you even know what the criteria is for gold? 0:10:19.727 --> 0:10:22.007 Logo? I can't work. 0:10:22.407 --> 0:10:24.327 No, I've got it. I looked it up. Because that's 0:10:24.327 --> 0:10:27.167 my job is to look it up. The Gold Logi 0:10:27.247 --> 0:10:30.647 is an award for the most popular personality on Australian television. 0:10:30.767 --> 0:10:33.087 Do you know how many Instagram followers Robert Owen has 0:10:33.647 --> 0:10:34.327 six million? 0:10:34.767 --> 0:10:36.127 Are we basing it on Instagram? 0:10:36.447 --> 0:10:37.727 I just think it's a data point. 0:10:37.927 --> 0:10:38.967 It is a data point. 0:10:39.127 --> 0:10:40.247 What's her beef with Robert? 0:10:40.407 --> 0:10:42.487 I don't have a beef with him. I think his 0:10:42.567 --> 0:10:45.207 time will come. I just don't think he's worthy yet. 0:10:45.407 --> 0:10:47.047 It hasn't earned his stripe. 0:10:47.127 --> 0:10:48.887 It's not a lifetime Achievement award. 0:10:49.207 --> 0:10:51.567 It is a little bit. It's kind of iconic. 0:10:52.007 --> 0:10:53.647 This is the thing is that what does the Gold 0:10:53.687 --> 0:10:55.527 Logi mean? And the thing that's really interesting about the 0:10:55.567 --> 0:10:59.047 logis is in Australia, we half think the logis is 0:10:59.047 --> 0:11:05.327 a joke and half get really indignant in any way. Right, 0:11:05.367 --> 0:11:07.927 So we spend a lot of the time like sort 0:11:07.927 --> 0:11:11.127 of leaning into a cultural cringe about the logos. Oh, 0:11:11.167 --> 0:11:14.847 the dresses, it's not like America. How embarrassing, blah blah, 0:11:14.887 --> 0:11:19.367 and then half just like, how dare they outrageous? 0:11:20.007 --> 0:11:21.287 So do you think'ski me? 0:11:21.527 --> 0:11:24.887 Gold? Definitely? 0:11:25.367 --> 0:11:26.487 My thing about Robert Erwin? 0:11:26.567 --> 0:11:26.887 Right not? 0:11:26.927 --> 0:11:31.487 And Ley did you know that Robert Irwin won LOGI 0:11:31.927 --> 0:11:34.367 eleven years ago. He's actually won a Logi Award before. 0:11:34.607 --> 0:11:36.207 How was he even born that long time? 0:11:36.527 --> 0:11:38.207 He was on a TV series with his mum and 0:11:38.247 --> 0:11:41.567 sister and he was nominated for most Popular New Male Talent. 0:11:41.767 --> 0:11:44.687 That man has been on television for twenty years. And 0:11:44.807 --> 0:11:46.527 I think that he might win the Gold. 0:11:46.567 --> 0:11:48.327 So don't know. I want to win the Gold. 0:11:48.407 --> 0:11:50.927 Oh, I want She's my top. 0:11:51.047 --> 0:11:54.767 Here's the thing. Does Ashley's iconic want to win it before? 0:11:55.087 --> 0:11:56.607 She has won it before? And the thing is is 0:11:56.727 --> 0:11:59.007 I remember because I worked at TV week for a 0:11:59.047 --> 0:12:01.007 while one hundred years ago and Logis was a big 0:12:01.047 --> 0:12:04.007 deal then. The people who were always winning Gold in 0:12:04.047 --> 0:12:06.927 those days were Lisa McCune and Rove. 0:12:07.407 --> 0:12:08.647 He won it like three times, yep. 0:12:08.687 --> 0:12:12.007 And it was that era. And so really it reflects 0:12:12.047 --> 0:12:14.927 as you've said, that's the criteria says this exactly. It 0:12:15.007 --> 0:12:17.847 reflects a moment. It reflects a moment in time. And 0:12:17.887 --> 0:12:20.807 who is everybody looking at on TV right now? 0:12:20.927 --> 0:12:21.087 Now? 0:12:21.087 --> 0:12:24.007 Obviously in that time TV has changed so much. Yeah, 0:12:24.047 --> 0:12:28.007 so fragmented. Everybody isn't really looking at anybody. Everybody is 0:12:28.007 --> 0:12:30.607 looking in all kinds of different directions. So it does 0:12:30.647 --> 0:12:33.567 come down to things like Instagram followers. And the thing 0:12:33.607 --> 0:12:36.727 about Robert Irwin is he maybe twenty, but he definitely 0:12:36.767 --> 0:12:40.847 has riz. He definitely has charisma, enthusiasm, he leans in 0:12:41.047 --> 0:12:41.567 he wants. 0:12:41.647 --> 0:12:44.407 But my question about Instagram followers in the case of 0:12:44.487 --> 0:12:47.047 Robert Irwin, I don't think his Instagram followers are a 0:12:47.047 --> 0:12:49.447 result of his TV. I think his TV is a 0:12:49.487 --> 0:12:51.927 result of his Instagram followers. Yes, so I don't think 0:12:51.967 --> 0:12:54.447 the people who are following him on Instagram have probably 0:12:54.447 --> 0:12:56.847 ever even seen him on TV. And my other view 0:12:56.887 --> 0:12:59.047 would be, if someone has to win from that show 0:12:59.767 --> 0:13:01.287 I'm a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here, which I 0:13:01.287 --> 0:13:03.367 think is a great show, I would prefer it to 0:13:03.367 --> 0:13:05.047 be Julia Morris, who I don't think has ever won. 0:13:05.327 --> 0:13:07.207 And she's said yes, but I think that a war 0:13:07.287 --> 0:13:08.847 was like, we've got this sense and she needs to 0:13:08.927 --> 0:13:12.847 be fair. Yes, And it's not really how awards work. 0:13:12.967 --> 0:13:15.127 I think by fair people mean the person I want 0:13:15.167 --> 0:13:15.447 to win. 0:13:15.607 --> 0:13:18.607 Yes, that would be fair exactly, But I would if 0:13:18.647 --> 0:13:20.367 I was Robert Irwin. I was saying this and he's 0:13:20.367 --> 0:13:22.367 been so gracious because of course he is, but I 0:13:22.367 --> 0:13:25.887 would be thinking I don't think the average Australian quite 0:13:25.967 --> 0:13:29.087 knows how prolific Robert Irwin is. That he's been doing 0:13:29.127 --> 0:13:31.847 shows on the Discovery Channel. He was on Jimmy Fallon 0:13:32.287 --> 0:13:35.647 in Australia. He has done more television show. 0:13:35.687 --> 0:13:37.727 I realize that I don't think people do. 0:13:37.607 --> 0:13:39.607 So they think that he's just one. I'm a celebrity 0:13:39.607 --> 0:13:42.287 for five minutes. Yes, there's a reason why he is 0:13:42.567 --> 0:13:45.887 genuinely very talented and why he's so good at what. 0:13:46.047 --> 0:13:47.567 Is he good on that show? I haven't watched him. 0:13:47.607 --> 0:13:49.767 Yeah, he's brilliant and he's controversy free. 0:13:49.927 --> 0:13:52.127 Why is he so so far? He's only twenty. There's 0:13:52.127 --> 0:13:54.447 plenty of time for his controversies to unfold. Not that 0:13:54.447 --> 0:13:57.407 I wish him ill. The dynamic lake between him and Julia. 0:13:57.367 --> 0:14:00.327 Fantastic and Julia. I mean, Julia has done it and 0:14:00.407 --> 0:14:04.247 she's industry pro. But he's very likable, he's very charismatic, 0:14:04.287 --> 0:14:05.007 He's very good. 0:14:05.127 --> 0:14:08.007 I have a different Logi's adjacent issue. I need to 0:14:08.087 --> 0:14:13.207 address are you too going? Because Strife TV show based 0:14:13.207 --> 0:14:15.567 on MEA's memoir that you both were me as ep 0:14:15.687 --> 0:14:18.087 of your producer of you wrote an episode, et cetera. Jesse, 0:14:18.927 --> 0:14:21.967 are you going? And my adjacent question to that, obviously 0:14:21.967 --> 0:14:23.887 is what are you wearring? But my other question is 0:14:24.287 --> 0:14:26.767 I was just talking about how people like to diss 0:14:26.807 --> 0:14:29.407 the logis, but also they really care. Did you really 0:14:29.447 --> 0:14:32.607 care that it got nominated for LOGI would you have 0:14:32.647 --> 0:14:33.887 been upset if it had not been? 0:14:34.127 --> 0:14:37.487 I didn't even consider it being I forgot about the logo. 0:14:37.527 --> 0:14:39.767 I really thought, yeah, I thought of that just sort 0:14:39.767 --> 0:14:43.007 of came around and then I heard we'd been nominated. 0:14:43.047 --> 0:14:45.207 I was pretty happy that we were nominated. 0:14:45.287 --> 0:14:47.607 See that's the thing about awards, right, we can diss them, 0:14:48.167 --> 0:14:52.527 but to be recognized by your peers and within an industry, 0:14:52.567 --> 0:14:56.287 it's great for publicity, it's great for your bio. That 0:14:56.367 --> 0:15:01.687 you're right that nominated. Show like that all does matter. Maya, 0:15:01.807 --> 0:15:04.407 you are going to the logis. I'm so excited about 0:15:04.447 --> 0:15:06.367 Maya going to the logans. Didn't they try and get 0:15:06.407 --> 0:15:06.727 out of it? 0:15:06.807 --> 0:15:08.007 You hate things like that. 0:15:08.327 --> 0:15:10.887 I did try, And so tell me, tell me, I am. 0:15:12.007 --> 0:15:15.247 Jesse's not going because she's not important enough. 0:15:16.447 --> 0:15:18.007 Can you imagine me at the logo? 0:15:18.287 --> 0:15:22.207 We know what I'm dreading it, which sounds really spoiled 0:15:22.287 --> 0:15:25.087 and privileged and petulant. But I don't like those kinds 0:15:25.087 --> 0:15:27.327 of things. I think to the loggies one time. 0:15:27.127 --> 0:15:29.407 Before, but we like you going to those things. 0:15:29.487 --> 0:15:29.687 Yeah. 0:15:30.167 --> 0:15:33.487 So I'm very anxious because it goes for six hours. 0:15:33.207 --> 0:15:35.527 And I'm not good with that. It goes late and 0:15:35.567 --> 0:15:36.047 I'm not good. 0:15:36.047 --> 0:15:38.327 But there's lots of sparkly things to look at. Yeah, 0:15:38.367 --> 0:15:39.367 but you've got to sit there. 0:15:39.607 --> 0:15:41.487 And when are you going to start choosing your from? 0:15:41.607 --> 0:15:44.447 I suppose I should start thinking when is it a 0:15:44.487 --> 0:15:46.047 couple of weeks mid August? 0:15:46.127 --> 0:15:48.487 I think it's like three weeks. 0:15:48.807 --> 0:15:49.767 It's on a Sunday. 0:15:49.887 --> 0:15:51.687 Can Louders help you choose? Yes? 0:15:51.927 --> 0:15:57.087 The assignment is out louders. It's not my night right, Like, 0:15:57.167 --> 0:15:59.607 I'm not a nominee. I don't work in Tellivision. 0:15:59.687 --> 0:16:00.167 A good point. 0:16:00.287 --> 0:16:00.967 I am the. 0:16:00.807 --> 0:16:04.687 Sidest of side characters, which I'm happy about. But it's 0:16:04.807 --> 0:16:06.567 like bloody trying to find a dress for your web. 0:16:06.607 --> 0:16:08.447 Do you just wear the same dress I could? 0:16:08.887 --> 0:16:09.847 That's my fallback. 0:16:10.087 --> 0:16:12.967 Yeah, I don't want to tarnish it by wearing it 0:16:13.007 --> 0:16:14.927 to the logis because I really loved wearing it to 0:16:14.967 --> 0:16:16.447 your wedding. It doesn't mean it won't wear it again, 0:16:16.487 --> 0:16:19.407 but it's like, I don't think I'm gonna like the 0:16:19.447 --> 0:16:22.847 logis very much the vibes. I'm feeling anxious about it, 0:16:22.927 --> 0:16:25.847 so I don't know. There's something very special and a 0:16:25.967 --> 0:16:28.487 cherish that dress and what it means and where it's been. 0:16:28.687 --> 0:16:31.367 I want, more than anything anyway for me to wear 0:16:31.367 --> 0:16:32.767 the dress that she wore to the. 0:16:32.687 --> 0:16:34.167 Sydney Out Loud show will. 0:16:36.287 --> 0:16:40.687 Lolli Wrapper because it's like Lizard Queen meets Lolli Rapper. 0:16:40.767 --> 0:16:44.167 And the thing is is if me or what she 0:16:45.367 --> 0:16:49.207 on the front of the Daily Week and it would 0:16:49.287 --> 0:16:50.327 be so fun for me. 0:16:50.487 --> 0:16:53.487 And my worst nightmare because it's so weird because I 0:16:53.527 --> 0:16:55.927 love clothes and I'm such a show off with my clothes. Right, 0:16:56.407 --> 0:16:58.807 My worst nightmare is you know that thing where they 0:16:58.847 --> 0:17:00.207 make people, I mean, they won't get me. 0:17:00.207 --> 0:17:03.487 Back beyond that thing. And it turns around and one 0:17:03.567 --> 0:17:04.367 eight hundred. 0:17:04.167 --> 0:17:06.447 Number of people can vote to you, you know, when 0:17:06.447 --> 0:17:08.487 you're sitting at home and you're going, hey, the fuck 0:17:08.567 --> 0:17:08.887 is that? 0:17:09.527 --> 0:17:10.607 Can you even imagine? 0:17:10.647 --> 0:17:12.847 Can you imagine how quickly I would vote? 0:17:13.047 --> 0:17:17.527 Oh my god, I love it? In a thousand do. 0:17:17.567 --> 0:17:19.167 You promise it? You'll be here on Monday to tell 0:17:19.247 --> 0:17:19.847 us all about it. 0:17:19.887 --> 0:17:21.607 Then I'm not going to be drunk in. 0:17:21.567 --> 0:17:25.447 A gutter, not Carl, not a five please. 0:17:25.847 --> 0:17:27.927 She may get sweptop in it, and before we know 0:17:28.007 --> 0:17:29.567 it shall be on the dance floor and she'll be 0:17:29.647 --> 0:17:30.447 living us. 0:17:30.607 --> 0:17:34.087 Because you need to go to phone off her louders 0:17:34.127 --> 0:17:34.887 need all the gossips. 0:17:34.927 --> 0:17:37.647 The last logis after party, I who. 0:17:37.527 --> 0:17:38.567 Do you hook up with? Come on? 0:17:38.887 --> 0:17:39.967 No, I didn't hook. 0:17:39.807 --> 0:17:41.287 Up any with anyone, but I was on the dance 0:17:41.327 --> 0:17:42.847 phone and I decided it was a big good idea 0:17:42.887 --> 0:17:45.087 to show whever you bred in my tattoo which is 0:17:45.127 --> 0:17:47.767 on my lower back. Oh okay, and I was wearing 0:17:47.807 --> 0:17:48.447 a long dress. 0:17:48.607 --> 0:17:49.327 Enough said. 0:17:50.767 --> 0:17:51.847 The LOGI goes to. 0:17:53.407 --> 0:17:56.247 Mother Loud. Yeah, three sixteen. 0:17:57.607 --> 0:18:01.407 What you see are just looking at me? Calm a light? 0:18:01.567 --> 0:18:03.527 Is brat? Are you brat? I am brat? 0:18:03.927 --> 0:18:06.767 And saying how. 0:18:06.687 --> 0:18:09.047 Loud is self appointed bratt correspondent. 0:18:09.287 --> 0:18:12.447 Jesus, I'm here with some answers about Bratt and about coconuts, 0:18:12.447 --> 0:18:14.767 which you also might have seen online. Please take people 0:18:14.807 --> 0:18:18.327 back to the beginning and which are quite confusing. Firstly, Kamala, 0:18:18.607 --> 0:18:21.407 since Biden stepped down on the weekend and every prominent 0:18:21.487 --> 0:18:25.767 Democrat has endorsed Kamala. Her campaign has ignited hearts and 0:18:25.807 --> 0:18:27.247 minds and also tiktoks. 0:18:27.487 --> 0:18:31.767 Should we acknowledge the pronunciation of her name? Louders are saying, 0:18:31.807 --> 0:18:32.487 it's Kamala. 0:18:32.567 --> 0:18:36.167 No, it's not. It's just not. It's Kamala like Karma 0:18:36.247 --> 0:18:37.807 is my boyfriend? Kamala? 0:18:38.487 --> 0:18:42.967 Right Yep, heavy pronunciation on the first salable. Okay, Karmala 0:18:43.127 --> 0:18:48.287 got it anyway. Memes about Kamala have spontaneously gone viral, 0:18:48.407 --> 0:18:51.607 and Brat is the main one of the last probably 0:18:51.967 --> 0:18:55.567 forty eight hours. Charlie XCX is a pop star who 0:18:55.567 --> 0:19:09.287 you may know from these songs. 0:19:03.047 --> 0:19:16.687 Scar I was busy thinking about one. 0:19:17.967 --> 0:19:21.487 Did you know I've interviewed her. No, she's really cool. 0:19:21.567 --> 0:19:24.447 I saw her when she supported Taylor a couple of 0:19:24.487 --> 0:19:26.167 concepts ago at the Reputation concert. 0:19:26.327 --> 0:19:28.767 Is English. She's very impressive. She has a lot of is. 0:19:28.927 --> 0:19:30.927 Her new album was released about a month ago, and 0:19:30.967 --> 0:19:34.087 that new album artwork is lime green with the word brat. 0:19:34.087 --> 0:19:35.847 That's the name of the album, and the brat looks 0:19:35.887 --> 0:19:37.447 like it's slightly out of focus. 0:19:37.847 --> 0:19:42.647 Lo res, If you're not entirely tuned in to gen 0:19:42.767 --> 0:19:45.647 Z culture, you would think I could have made. 0:19:45.447 --> 0:19:48.407 That logo kind of vibe for that people. 0:19:48.447 --> 0:19:50.087 Well, it's the kind of thing that gen z love 0:19:50.127 --> 0:19:52.127 because it makes no sense and it's the opposite of 0:19:52.127 --> 0:19:54.407 perfect and polished. It's just a bit weird and a 0:19:54.447 --> 0:19:58.087 bit no one can explain it or why anyway. A 0:19:58.127 --> 0:20:01.687 couple of days ago, Charlie XCX posted Kamala is brat 0:20:02.127 --> 0:20:04.487 and that ignited a million memes and now the official 0:20:04.487 --> 0:20:08.687 Insta account of Kamala Harris's campaign, Kamala HQ, has gone green, 0:20:09.527 --> 0:20:12.727 embracing the meme and she's got this sudden cult status 0:20:13.127 --> 0:20:14.127 among young people. 0:20:14.807 --> 0:20:16.007 What does bratt mean? 0:20:16.087 --> 0:20:16.287 Though? 0:20:16.367 --> 0:20:17.047 What does it mean? 0:20:17.487 --> 0:20:20.567 Brad is like I think of like a teenage brat 0:20:20.567 --> 0:20:23.927 who's a bit of a rebel and is irritating and 0:20:23.967 --> 0:20:25.687 it's not seen as. 0:20:25.607 --> 0:20:29.647 A compliment, right set We just talked about that, and 0:20:31.927 --> 0:20:34.127 that's because he's old and he doesn't understand that Brad 0:20:34.247 --> 0:20:35.807 is good. He could have reclaimed it. 0:20:35.767 --> 0:20:38.447 So in the way that the sea word is now good. 0:20:38.687 --> 0:20:41.487 If you are serving sea word, that's the best thing 0:20:41.527 --> 0:20:43.247 you can be, is serving sea word. 0:20:43.647 --> 0:20:44.407 Being brat. 0:20:44.527 --> 0:20:46.407 If someone else says that you are brat is. 0:20:46.407 --> 0:20:47.127 Also a good thing. 0:20:47.447 --> 0:20:50.527 Here is Charlie xx herself explaining what bratt is. 0:20:51.007 --> 0:20:54.487 You're just like that girl who is a little messy 0:20:54.527 --> 0:20:55.767 and likes to party. 0:20:55.567 --> 0:20:59.327 And like maybe says some like dumb things sometimes who 0:20:59.367 --> 0:21:00.247 like fills. 0:20:59.887 --> 0:21:03.647 Herself but then also like maybe has a breakdown but 0:21:03.767 --> 0:21:04.967 kind of like parties through. 0:21:05.047 --> 0:21:09.527 It's very honest, it's very blunt, a little bit volatile. Yeah, 0:21:09.567 --> 0:21:12.767 like it does dumb things, but like it's brat. 0:21:12.807 --> 0:21:14.167 You're brat, so it's cool. 0:21:14.207 --> 0:21:15.967 Like it's cool to be brat, even though none of 0:21:15.967 --> 0:21:18.207 the things that she just said seem like anything that 0:21:18.247 --> 0:21:21.007 you would want to be. It's kind of like being 0:21:21.047 --> 0:21:21.687 a hot mess. 0:21:21.847 --> 0:21:24.687 Like it's being a good thing anointed by the youth. Yeah, 0:21:24.687 --> 0:21:26.727 what it is the youth are saying, we see you, 0:21:26.847 --> 0:21:29.247 we acknowledge it, and we accept you to be honest, 0:21:29.567 --> 0:21:31.367 Kamala Harris, not brat. 0:21:31.687 --> 0:21:33.487 No, And that's also I think why it's that right 0:21:33.567 --> 0:21:37.087 point exactly now, the coconut thing. So back in May 0:21:37.127 --> 0:21:42.087 twenty twenty three, during a speech, Harris stressed the importance 0:21:42.127 --> 0:21:44.807 of not only focusing on the younger generation, but also 0:21:45.367 --> 0:21:48.567 being clear about the needs of their parents and their grandparents, 0:21:48.567 --> 0:21:51.207 and their teachers and their communities. So the context of 0:21:51.247 --> 0:21:53.967 the speech was that she was saying, it's not just 0:21:54.047 --> 0:21:57.447 about you, it's not just about young people. And she 0:21:57.527 --> 0:21:59.487 continued to say that none of us just live in 0:21:59.487 --> 0:22:02.487 a silo, and she shared some words of wisdom from 0:22:02.487 --> 0:22:03.207 her late mother. 0:22:03.567 --> 0:22:05.767 You think you just fell out of a coconut tree, 0:22:08.047 --> 0:22:12.487 you'll exist in the context of all in which you 0:22:12.607 --> 0:22:14.287 live and what came before you. 0:22:14.527 --> 0:22:16.047 So you might have heard that a little bit as well, 0:22:16.087 --> 0:22:19.767 about context and about everything that came before you. Again, 0:22:19.847 --> 0:22:23.287 it's now become something that was weaponized against her at 0:22:23.327 --> 0:22:26.807 the time to make fun of her, her laugh and 0:22:26.967 --> 0:22:32.047 that coconut tree. It's now been twisted and subverted and 0:22:32.207 --> 0:22:35.607 used as isn't she cool? So now people in support 0:22:35.647 --> 0:22:38.887 of Kamala Harris not to mock her, are posting coconut 0:22:39.047 --> 0:22:41.567 icons and coconut tree emoji. 0:22:41.767 --> 0:22:44.087 So the thing that's interesting about this, right is that 0:22:44.247 --> 0:22:46.767 because we could all go well, that's all seems like 0:22:46.807 --> 0:22:49.847 fun and games whatever, who cares. Is that in this 0:22:49.927 --> 0:22:54.967 American election, forty one million US voters will be gen z. 0:22:55.847 --> 0:22:59.727 So what happens on TikTok is very important. And what 0:22:59.767 --> 0:23:02.247 you'll see is and this is the same plays out 0:23:02.247 --> 0:23:05.647 here it played out during the referendum last year very much. 0:23:05.847 --> 0:23:08.447 There's the sort of official campaigning, like the ones you're 0:23:08.447 --> 0:23:10.847 going to see on main stream TV, the ones that 0:23:10.887 --> 0:23:12.727 are going to be endorsed by the party, all of 0:23:12.767 --> 0:23:15.367 those things are not going to be this. But you're 0:23:15.367 --> 0:23:18.527 going to see this in really big numbers, which is 0:23:18.607 --> 0:23:22.447 very encouraging if you are team Kamala or team Please 0:23:22.527 --> 0:23:26.607 not Trump, because TikTok has often been really good for 0:23:26.647 --> 0:23:29.927 the right, but these days the right is very Twitter. 0:23:30.087 --> 0:23:33.407 So the owner of Twitter, Elon Musk, is one of 0:23:33.447 --> 0:23:37.167 Trump's biggest donors. Yeah, that is true, right, and he 0:23:38.007 --> 0:23:40.647 endorsed him. He's one of his biggest donors. He has 0:23:40.687 --> 0:23:42.887 helped him raise a lot of money in Silicon Valley. 0:23:43.127 --> 0:23:46.767 He is a literal Trump campaigner. So that's where those 0:23:46.807 --> 0:23:49.407 people are going to live. And if Kamala's people are 0:23:49.447 --> 0:23:51.647 going to live on TikTok, that's really good for the 0:23:51.647 --> 0:23:53.407 youth vote, because, as I've just said about the gen 0:23:53.527 --> 0:23:56.247 Z voters, there's a big demographic shift going on in 0:23:56.247 --> 0:23:57.527 who's going to be voting in this election. 0:23:58.447 --> 0:24:03.167 I saw Variety critic Alison Herman. She tweeted, Kamala, if 0:24:03.207 --> 0:24:06.527 you're reading this do not acknowledge the coconut memes. I repeat, 0:24:06.727 --> 0:24:09.207 do not acknowledge the coconut memes. The children will turn on. 0:24:09.607 --> 0:24:11.447 I love that was so much interesting. 0:24:11.727 --> 0:24:14.087 Tell me why, tell me why that's the way that. 0:24:14.087 --> 0:24:17.247 Is Because the second she plays into it and she 0:24:17.407 --> 0:24:22.127 capitalizes on it, she's undermined the grassroots, organic nature of 0:24:22.167 --> 0:24:24.887 the trend. And so even there were you know, jokes 0:24:24.927 --> 0:24:27.567 about her coming on stage or whatever, or calling herself 0:24:27.567 --> 0:24:30.207 a brat or what. No, you do not call yourself 0:24:30.207 --> 0:24:30.607 a brat. 0:24:30.967 --> 0:24:32.647 That's the mistake I made at the beginning of. 0:24:32.687 --> 0:24:35.407 This show exactly. That's when people are just going to go, oh, well, 0:24:35.407 --> 0:24:37.447 it's not funny anymore. And now we've just got a 0:24:37.767 --> 0:24:39.847 fifty nine year old woman using our language. We only 0:24:39.847 --> 0:24:42.887 get to talk about you like that. What I've found 0:24:43.207 --> 0:24:46.247 interesting over the last few days as well. On Monday, 0:24:46.247 --> 0:24:49.167 we're talking about Kamala Harris, and we had a bunch 0:24:49.207 --> 0:24:53.887 of out louders rightfully point out, stop calling her Kamala, 0:24:54.047 --> 0:24:57.087 right the first name. You don't call him Donald, you 0:24:57.127 --> 0:24:59.607 didn't call him Joe. Why are we using just the 0:24:59.647 --> 0:25:01.127 first name? And I kind of thought about it, and 0:25:01.127 --> 0:25:03.327 I actually think they had a point but I was 0:25:03.367 --> 0:25:06.207 looking at the social campaign and some of the ads 0:25:06.247 --> 0:25:09.167 and I thought, how interesting that they use her first name. 0:25:09.407 --> 0:25:11.887 And then I was listening to this analysis about Democrats 0:25:11.927 --> 0:25:15.087 and Republicans on a podcast, and it was saying, this 0:25:15.167 --> 0:25:17.727 is a big generalization, it's very gendered. But it said, 0:25:18.127 --> 0:25:20.487 you vote for the Republican Party when you want a father, 0:25:20.727 --> 0:25:22.607 and you vote for the Democrats when you want a mother. 0:25:22.887 --> 0:25:26.127 So traditionally, don't you hate that? So traditionally they say 0:25:26.167 --> 0:25:28.967 the father would be hardline and stern and a disciplinarian, 0:25:29.327 --> 0:25:31.847 and then on the other hand, a mother would be 0:25:31.887 --> 0:25:35.167 more nurturing. So you're thinking health education, focus on the 0:25:35.247 --> 0:25:35.887 less privileged. 0:25:35.927 --> 0:25:37.807 I never hated anything more than I hate that. 0:25:37.927 --> 0:25:38.607 I hate that too. 0:25:38.727 --> 0:25:39.567 I think that's truth in that. 0:25:39.767 --> 0:25:42.127 But I think just the way that I'm watching this 0:25:42.407 --> 0:25:45.847 campaign go, there's a viral moment that happened between Harris 0:25:45.887 --> 0:25:49.287 and Drew Barrymore on her show where she said. 0:25:49.207 --> 0:25:52.047 I've been thinking that we really all need a tremendous 0:25:52.127 --> 0:25:55.447 hug in the world right now, but in our country, 0:25:56.647 --> 0:26:00.327 we need you to be Mamola of the country. Oh. 0:26:00.367 --> 0:26:03.367 I hated that so much, and I think Karmala hated 0:26:03.367 --> 0:26:07.567 that too. Yeah, well, Drew's leaning forward and going I 0:26:07.607 --> 0:26:09.207 think we all need a Marmala. 0:26:09.447 --> 0:26:15.327 Prosecutor with an incredible record, like stop have to threat. 0:26:16.087 --> 0:26:19.767 Yes, the using of the first name it makes someone 0:26:19.887 --> 0:26:22.847 I was thinking about. It's tailor, not swift, it's Harry 0:26:22.887 --> 0:26:26.967 not styles like youth culture is all about using the 0:26:27.047 --> 0:26:30.367 first name. It's less form, it's more intimate, it's more intimate, 0:26:30.407 --> 0:26:33.287 it's more personable, and it's more equal. More than anything, 0:26:33.287 --> 0:26:36.247 it's just like we're on the same level. So it's 0:26:36.487 --> 0:26:38.967 hard to kind of untangle what is gendered, which is 0:26:39.087 --> 0:26:41.527 inevitably it is. It was Hillary, it was Julia, but 0:26:41.607 --> 0:26:42.087 also it. 0:26:42.047 --> 0:26:44.607 Was Kevin O seven and it was let's go Joe, 0:26:44.887 --> 0:26:47.687 Like I know that sometime it's handy to have a 0:26:47.727 --> 0:26:48.647 hologan with a first. 0:26:48.527 --> 0:26:51.647 Thing that's different about what a campaign slogan is and 0:26:51.687 --> 0:26:54.407 the way people refer to them, Like we'll talk about 0:26:54.447 --> 0:26:59.287 Angla Merkle, we won't talk about Merkle, but we'll talk 0:26:59.287 --> 0:27:02.607 about Putin and you're right, we'll talk about Hillary, we'll 0:27:02.607 --> 0:27:05.967 talk about Julia, the way we talk about people in conversations. 0:27:05.967 --> 0:27:07.967 So I think when people go Kevin O seven, that 0:27:08.047 --> 0:27:11.567 was a great great Line or Joe, like they're deliberately 0:27:11.607 --> 0:27:14.247 trying to do the thing that we're talking about, which 0:27:14.287 --> 0:27:18.967 is to make them feel more equal, less imposing, more 0:27:18.967 --> 0:27:21.727 author less authoritative exactly. 0:27:21.767 --> 0:27:24.207 I get that, But in Australia we literally call our 0:27:24.207 --> 0:27:25.447 Prime Minister Albo. 0:27:25.647 --> 0:27:28.167 Yeah, but we don't call him ant. We don't call 0:27:28.247 --> 0:27:30.207 him ant like. 0:27:30.127 --> 0:27:32.767 It's a silly non it's not a respectful thing like 0:27:32.807 --> 0:27:34.647 it's not. We don't call him Alban easy. You know, 0:27:34.727 --> 0:27:35.327 I disagree. 0:27:35.367 --> 0:27:37.847 I think in Australia that's the biggest compliment you can 0:27:37.887 --> 0:27:39.567 give someone implement. 0:27:39.647 --> 0:27:42.207 But if we're saying that we give men formal names 0:27:42.247 --> 0:27:44.447 and we give women informal names, that's not. 0:27:44.447 --> 0:27:47.367 Always Know, there's something about calling someone by their first 0:27:47.487 --> 0:27:52.207 name though, that can be a real I think. 0:27:53.727 --> 0:27:55.687 Which is I think what the out louders were trying. 0:27:55.887 --> 0:27:59.327 I'm going to call a Harris Heaps because I really 0:27:59.447 --> 0:28:02.047 I mean not all the time, Like like anything, you're 0:28:02.087 --> 0:28:04.367 going to switch your context depending on how you're talking. 0:28:04.407 --> 0:28:07.487 But I think that we really run a risk when 0:28:07.487 --> 0:28:09.687 we talk about powerful women if we're all trying to 0:28:09.687 --> 0:28:12.687 make them seem less powerful. And she is not the 0:28:12.807 --> 0:28:16.687 mom candidate, she is an incredible, Like I have watched 0:28:16.687 --> 0:28:19.687 on repeat, apart from the tiktoks, which have been fun, 0:28:19.807 --> 0:28:21.927 and I love trying to understand what all that's about. 0:28:21.927 --> 0:28:24.007 And then I remember that this isn't for me. I 0:28:24.047 --> 0:28:26.607 don't have to. It's like, just let the young people 0:28:26.687 --> 0:28:30.007 do their really good campaigning. That's great. But is the 0:28:30.047 --> 0:28:33.287 bit where she's in the Kaverna hearing she and there's 0:28:33.327 --> 0:28:34.807 a clip that you will have seen if you're on 0:28:34.807 --> 0:28:37.687 social media at all lately, where she says just very 0:28:37.687 --> 0:28:42.407 plainly and she's talking about obviously reproductive rights in America, 0:28:42.447 --> 0:28:46.207 and she says, can you think of any laws that 0:28:46.327 --> 0:28:48.687 interfere with what men do with their bodies? 0:28:48.927 --> 0:28:51.287 Can you think of any laws that give government the 0:28:51.367 --> 0:28:55.087 power to make decisions about the male body? I'm happy 0:28:55.127 --> 0:28:59.527 to answer more specific question male versus female. 0:28:59.807 --> 0:29:00.367 There are. 0:29:01.967 --> 0:29:06.047 Medical procedures them that the government has the power to 0:29:06.087 --> 0:29:07.807 make a decision about a man's. 0:29:07.567 --> 0:29:10.247 Body, and I thought you were asking about procedures that 0:29:10.287 --> 0:29:11.127 are unique to man. 0:29:11.327 --> 0:29:13.927 I'll repeat the question, can you think of any lines 0:29:14.487 --> 0:29:18.327 they give the government the power to make decisions about 0:29:18.367 --> 0:29:19.327 the male body? 0:29:19.847 --> 0:29:21.967 I'm not a thinking of any right now. 0:29:22.127 --> 0:29:25.687 Center and she just pushes that point in the most calm, 0:29:26.207 --> 0:29:30.607 strong way, and he is completely speechless. That is the 0:29:30.647 --> 0:29:32.887 woman that I want to vote for, which is why 0:29:32.887 --> 0:29:34.687 it's really smart. I mean, not that I'm voting. I'm 0:29:34.727 --> 0:29:37.727 just I'm saying if I was buying into this, which 0:29:37.727 --> 0:29:39.887 is why this is all really smart. The green and 0:29:39.927 --> 0:29:43.887 the brat and the dancing. But Kamala or Harris needs 0:29:43.887 --> 0:29:46.287 to kind of distance herself from that because she needs 0:29:46.287 --> 0:29:50.007 to be seen as a serious, hardcore person because she is. 0:29:50.167 --> 0:29:52.687 I don't know, I think that what's refreshing about her 0:29:52.727 --> 0:29:55.967 as a candidate and why I think the race has 0:29:56.007 --> 0:29:59.767 suddenly become a race is what Trump's done for a 0:29:59.807 --> 0:30:03.727 lot of Americans. Has made politics fun. It's not our 0:30:03.807 --> 0:30:06.287 kind of fun, in that he's horrible and he gets 0:30:06.367 --> 0:30:09.167 up and he abuses people and is racist and sex 0:30:10.407 --> 0:30:12.087 appalling and mean. 0:30:12.687 --> 0:30:14.207 But he's made it a TV show. 0:30:14.287 --> 0:30:16.967 You know, when there were interviews after the assassination attempt 0:30:17.047 --> 0:30:20.567 rally where the wife of the man that was killed said, 0:30:20.927 --> 0:30:23.247 it was just such a fun day. We were there 0:30:23.287 --> 0:30:25.847 with our two daughters. We were having such a fun day. 0:30:26.567 --> 0:30:29.127 Now that sounds like a weird thing to say, given 0:30:29.167 --> 0:30:31.527 that he gets up and he talks about immigrants, you know, 0:30:32.007 --> 0:30:35.247 raping people and stealing your jobs. But he has made 0:30:35.247 --> 0:30:37.607 it fun and you've got your red hats. What the 0:30:37.647 --> 0:30:40.847 Democrats haven't had and what they didn't have with Hillary 0:30:41.327 --> 0:30:43.407 and what they didn't have with Biden in twenty twenty 0:30:44.047 --> 0:30:46.487 and now they've got with Kamala is fun. 0:30:47.167 --> 0:30:50.367 I agree, but there is a fine line between, which 0:30:50.447 --> 0:30:52.567 is why I loved that line too that Jesse brought 0:30:52.607 --> 0:30:55.487 up about the experts saying, don't lean into this too hard. 0:30:55.527 --> 0:30:58.407 Kama is. Let them have fun with her. Yeah, let 0:30:58.447 --> 0:31:00.767 the people who understand that do that. But I don't 0:31:00.807 --> 0:31:04.007 think you necessarily want Kamala to be doing the Charlie 0:31:04.167 --> 0:31:06.727 XCX Apple downs. It's a bit like what we talked 0:31:06.727 --> 0:31:09.127 about last week when we were talking about the t 0:31:09.367 --> 0:31:11.407 talk dances and when we I mean, obviously we're not 0:31:11.447 --> 0:31:14.367 presidential candidates, but when we decide, like do we lean 0:31:14.367 --> 0:31:16.127 into that trend or don't we? And I was saying 0:31:16.127 --> 0:31:18.247 it's funny because are you a serious person? Are you not? 0:31:18.647 --> 0:31:21.567 I think that probably the absolute sweet spot for somebody 0:31:21.807 --> 0:31:25.047 with such a high stakes position as this is to 0:31:25.207 --> 0:31:29.487 absolutely lean into like amplifying that with portions of your 0:31:29.487 --> 0:31:32.047 campaign and letting people have that fun. But I don't 0:31:32.047 --> 0:31:33.767 know that you want to be seen to be trying. 0:31:33.567 --> 0:31:35.647 To It's got to be both right and as usual. 0:31:35.767 --> 0:31:39.407 It's a very very hard needle for a woman to thread, 0:31:39.927 --> 0:31:42.287 and Hillary could never thread it. But I mean, you 0:31:42.287 --> 0:31:45.127 can't say that Donald Trump is a serious person. But yeah, 0:31:45.167 --> 0:31:47.727 the expectations of Kumala. That's why it's going to be 0:31:47.767 --> 0:31:49.807 so interesting to see how these next few months play out. 0:31:49.967 --> 0:31:51.727 I have a quick theory. I was in my car 0:31:51.767 --> 0:31:54.167 this morning and I was like, you know how Joe 0:31:54.167 --> 0:31:59.127 Biden he stepped down and the timing and everything has 0:31:59.207 --> 0:32:02.207 worked out bizarrely well. And it's worked out bizarrely well 0:32:02.247 --> 0:32:06.687 because he let Trump choose his nominee in JD. Vance 0:32:07.407 --> 0:32:10.767 before he said it was good to be Kumala. And 0:32:10.807 --> 0:32:13.567 I thought that was a stroke of genius. If I 0:32:13.687 --> 0:32:16.767 was writing a television show of the behind the scenes 0:32:17.247 --> 0:32:19.967 and I was Biden, I would have chosen that I 0:32:20.007 --> 0:32:21.687 was gonna go with Harris and I was gonna step down. 0:32:21.887 --> 0:32:24.407 I would let Trump do what Trump did, because I 0:32:24.487 --> 0:32:27.407 think Trump would have chosen a completely different vice president 0:32:27.447 --> 0:32:27.687 if he. 0:32:27.727 --> 0:32:30.407 Knew everyone said that Vance is the choice. If you 0:32:30.447 --> 0:32:32.647 think you're gonna win. He thought he was going to 0:32:32.967 --> 0:32:34.567 peep against. 0:32:34.447 --> 0:32:36.247 Against an old man, so he went, I'm going to 0:32:36.287 --> 0:32:39.247 go young. Well, now you're the old man Trump. So 0:32:39.287 --> 0:32:40.887 I think that that ended up being a stroke of 0:32:40.927 --> 0:32:42.847 absolute genius to let that come in first. 0:32:43.127 --> 0:32:46.487 I've already started sounding this alarm, my Monkenitian alarm, in 0:32:46.527 --> 0:32:49.527 every meeting we're in. It's the hope that kills you. Friends, 0:32:49.927 --> 0:32:52.207 don't get too carried away. Everywhere I look at the 0:32:52.207 --> 0:32:54.887 minute on social it's like we're gonna smash them. This 0:32:54.927 --> 0:32:59.687 is gonna be a walk over. Let's just let it 0:32:59.887 --> 0:33:00.567 play out. 0:33:00.727 --> 0:33:05.007 Remember the pant suits we wore to work in. Remember well, 0:33:05.087 --> 0:33:08.327 jd Vance is already called Kamala, a childless cat lady. 0:33:09.367 --> 0:33:11.567 I love gen Z your girl, and I'm out here 0:33:11.607 --> 0:33:12.287 in these streets. 0:33:12.407 --> 0:33:14.647 Do you think you just fell out of a coconut tree? 0:33:14.887 --> 0:33:16.407 I can imagine what can be. 0:33:19.687 --> 0:33:23.647 What Unlimited out Loud access. We drop episodes every Tuesday 0:33:23.687 --> 0:33:27.887 and Thursday exclusively for Mum and Maya subscribers. Follow the 0:33:27.927 --> 0:33:29.807 link in the show notes to get us in your 0:33:29.847 --> 0:33:32.647 ears five days a week. And a huge thank you 0:33:32.807 --> 0:33:34.727 to all our current subscribers. 0:33:39.447 --> 0:33:42.887 Katie Larson is a primary school teacher. She's American. That's 0:33:42.887 --> 0:33:45.567 not really relevant because a lot of Australian teachers who 0:33:45.567 --> 0:33:48.647 could very much relate. Katie needs to tell you about 0:33:48.687 --> 0:33:51.487 an email she got from a parent last week. 0:33:51.687 --> 0:33:53.727 Yesterday, a parent asked me for a class list so 0:33:53.727 --> 0:33:55.447 they can invade all the kids to the birthday party. 0:33:55.487 --> 0:33:58.407 And I'm invaded to the birthday party too, very nice, said, 0:33:58.447 --> 0:34:01.967 no problem. Today the stack of inputations came and I 0:34:02.007 --> 0:34:04.087 was like, I guess I'll just put these in the mailboxes. Leader, 0:34:04.807 --> 0:34:06.847 no problem. We're outside all day. The last twenty minutes 0:34:06.847 --> 0:34:08.767 of the day, I was going to do it. I 0:34:08.807 --> 0:34:11.927 was gonna stuff the invitations and the envelopes, stuff them 0:34:11.927 --> 0:34:13.527 because they weren't stuffed, and then put them in the 0:34:13.567 --> 0:34:16.727 mail axes. I open them up only the first invitation 0:34:16.847 --> 0:34:19.727 was written in none of the rest. And that parent 0:34:19.807 --> 0:34:21.807 messaged me during the day with the information, and I 0:34:21.847 --> 0:34:24.207 thought that was for me because I was invraided. No, 0:34:24.447 --> 0:34:27.407 I was expected to read all the invitations. I responded, 0:34:28.007 --> 0:34:29.807 I can't read all these invitations out and they sent 0:34:29.847 --> 0:34:32.487 them home with the class list. Nope, not what I 0:34:32.527 --> 0:34:32.767 can do. 0:34:32.847 --> 0:34:35.567 Okatie, so much to unpack here? 0:34:36.207 --> 0:34:38.767 Why aren't they using paperless posts? That's my first question, 0:34:39.047 --> 0:34:40.087 or candor or something. 0:34:39.927 --> 0:34:43.247 Like what you're talking about or texts? Do you actually 0:34:43.327 --> 0:34:46.247 do handwritten? Of course? What like? Of course we do, 0:34:46.367 --> 0:34:48.687 like you put an invitation in the kids' school bag. 0:34:48.727 --> 0:34:51.167 I don't have all the email addresses, and you'll get 0:34:51.167 --> 0:34:55.047 a class list with all the emails and stuff'dress some 0:34:55.087 --> 0:34:58.167 places don't the private of course I don't like. I'm 0:34:58.207 --> 0:35:00.927 just not that organized and I wouldn't know. We literally 0:35:01.047 --> 0:35:04.087 just write out six invitations, put them in billy's bags, 0:35:04.127 --> 0:35:06.367 say give them to your friends, like like on pieces 0:35:06.367 --> 0:35:08.127 of like I'm posted on right, So. 0:35:08.207 --> 0:35:09.847 You buy them in a shop and invited. 0:35:12.567 --> 0:35:15.207 Not everybody lives in your world? Do you fax them 0:35:15.287 --> 0:35:15.927 to the people? 0:35:16.087 --> 0:35:17.407 Then you could get the fairness? 0:35:17.487 --> 0:35:20.047 To me? How you think that that is so old fashioned? 0:35:20.127 --> 0:35:21.727 I never even occurred to me to do it any 0:35:21.727 --> 0:35:25.007 other way, never even occurred to me anyway. So much 0:35:25.007 --> 0:35:27.807 to impact here about Katie, including that if I was 0:35:27.847 --> 0:35:29.727 inviting you to a thing, then I would in mate. 0:35:29.767 --> 0:35:32.847 But I don't have everybody's phone. I want everybody's phone. 0:35:33.047 --> 0:35:37.767 So everyone has been sending kids party invitations to my 0:35:38.007 --> 0:35:40.807 kids that way for maybe fifteen years. 0:35:40.807 --> 0:35:44.207 That's so weird. I've never even got one. Maybe different, 0:35:44.527 --> 0:35:45.567 I've dis missed them. 0:35:45.447 --> 0:35:48.207 Different They've probably gone to your spam folder. 0:35:49.167 --> 0:35:51.687 That's why I thought Billy didn't get invited twenty party. 0:35:51.727 --> 0:35:53.567 He's just on the internet. 0:35:54.927 --> 0:35:58.207 Am I the asshole? An asshold? And no one's an 0:35:58.247 --> 0:36:01.007 asshole here? But it's like, are you living in normal world? 0:36:01.087 --> 0:36:03.527 Or am I living in normal world? That's enough topics 0:36:03.647 --> 0:36:05.967 we have anyway, Because in case you thought this was 0:36:05.967 --> 0:36:09.167 an entirely American story about things that were expected of 0:36:09.287 --> 0:36:11.967 this teacher, a quick survey of both the Internet and 0:36:12.047 --> 0:36:15.687 out louders for some more that's not in my job description. 0:36:15.967 --> 0:36:18.087 Things that teachers got. Let me just give you a 0:36:18.087 --> 0:36:21.047 couple of them. An Australian teacher says, I once got 0:36:21.047 --> 0:36:23.887 an email to ask to check a lady's son's desk 0:36:23.967 --> 0:36:25.647 because it was reported to her that there was a 0:36:25.727 --> 0:36:29.927 very dangerous spider inside. I was asked to empty, clean, 0:36:30.287 --> 0:36:33.807 photograph the desk back to the mother. Oh god, I. 0:36:33.807 --> 0:36:37.167 Know, I imagine that child had his phone on it. 0:36:37.487 --> 0:36:40.047 I must have done. Here's another great one. This is 0:36:40.087 --> 0:36:42.887 a note that came in the kid's school bag to class. 0:36:43.167 --> 0:36:45.647 My son swallowed a watch battery at home. Please use 0:36:45.727 --> 0:36:48.407 this fork and clothespin to inspect his poop until we 0:36:48.447 --> 0:36:52.007 find the battery. Stop it. Others asked teachers to clean 0:36:52.047 --> 0:36:55.407 their child's nose on picture day, to track a student's 0:36:55.447 --> 0:36:59.887 menstrual period and mood changes, and to squeeze a student's 0:36:59.927 --> 0:37:04.927 head during test taking to relieve anxiety. Oh, somebody else said, 0:37:05.367 --> 0:37:07.767 since my child sees a speech pathologist for the half 0:37:07.847 --> 0:37:10.367 hour after lunch, I had appreciated if you didn't teach 0:37:10.447 --> 0:37:14.167 anything new and in commas until he returns to the classroom. 0:37:14.927 --> 0:37:17.607 And there was a parent who requested that their son 0:37:17.647 --> 0:37:19.687 be given credit for an essay in spite of not 0:37:19.727 --> 0:37:22.567 turning one in because in quotes, he wrote it in 0:37:22.607 --> 0:37:29.367 his head. You know a lot of teachers. Does the 0:37:29.407 --> 0:37:31.887 birthday invitation story surprise you? 0:37:32.527 --> 0:37:35.727 Not at all. There are from my parents, to my brothers, 0:37:35.767 --> 0:37:38.887 to most of my aunties and uncles, all teachers I 0:37:38.967 --> 0:37:41.847 had out louders message me and say that one kid 0:37:42.007 --> 0:37:45.527 had a bit of a digestive issue. And the mother said, 0:37:45.647 --> 0:37:47.327 I need you to go and look in the toilet 0:37:47.447 --> 0:37:50.127 after he finishes his business, and then rated on the 0:37:50.167 --> 0:37:51.527 bristol stool. 0:37:52.247 --> 0:37:53.647 Chat. Is that people joke? 0:37:53.887 --> 0:37:56.567 Is this a joke? No, this is absolutely true. There 0:37:56.607 --> 0:38:00.727 was another high school student who the daughter needed assistance 0:38:00.807 --> 0:38:04.447 changing her pads, and look in that kind of instance, 0:38:04.767 --> 0:38:08.247 you go, that's a child who needs assistance, right, So 0:38:08.327 --> 0:38:09.127 that's actually I. 0:38:09.007 --> 0:38:11.167 Think child needs assistance. Yes, I need assistance. 0:38:11.287 --> 0:38:14.807 But that's about resourcing. That's about exactly, that's about a 0:38:14.847 --> 0:38:17.567 school and resourcing. I think a few things are going on. 0:38:18.127 --> 0:38:22.487 There is a lack of understanding about what teachers do 0:38:22.647 --> 0:38:25.687 day to day and what their job is. And it's 0:38:25.767 --> 0:38:29.047 not to say I've heard stories about kindergarten kids coming 0:38:29.047 --> 0:38:31.687 in who aren't toilet trained and suggesting that that's something 0:38:31.767 --> 0:38:33.687 that I said, toilet trained like a dog. But you 0:38:33.727 --> 0:38:36.727 know by Chraine that that's something that they should do. 0:38:37.207 --> 0:38:40.407 And I wonder if it's to do with the privatization 0:38:41.287 --> 0:38:46.527 of our world and that we expect everywhere to be like, well, 0:38:46.687 --> 0:38:49.007 A'll take my business elsewhere if you don't give me 0:38:49.047 --> 0:38:53.487 exactly what I want, like we treat each other like employees. Yes, 0:38:53.647 --> 0:38:54.847 And I think it's also. 0:38:54.567 --> 0:38:58.167 A teacher is not your staff member or your EA. 0:38:58.047 --> 0:39:00.047 Who then you can just go, hey, what I need 0:39:00.087 --> 0:39:03.247 from you? As invitations. I need blah and I need blah. 0:39:03.287 --> 0:39:05.247 And the second thing I think is going on to 0:39:05.287 --> 0:39:07.887 give a bit of credit or empathy perhaps to parents, 0:39:08.407 --> 0:39:11.087 is that I think parents are so busy. They are 0:39:11.207 --> 0:39:13.327 so busy to me, if a child is turning up 0:39:13.327 --> 0:39:15.927 to kindergarten and you haven't had an opportunity. 0:39:15.407 --> 0:39:16.967 Parents more busy than they used to be. 0:39:17.127 --> 0:39:20.207 Yes, yes, you've got two full time working parents, You've 0:39:20.207 --> 0:39:24.927 got minimal support, you've got really demanding jobs. I don't 0:39:25.007 --> 0:39:27.527 think that they have scope to do everything that they 0:39:27.567 --> 0:39:29.647 want to do for their child, and then they're projecting 0:39:29.687 --> 0:39:32.167 that onto a teacher like that seems to me. 0:39:32.207 --> 0:39:35.127 And also, as you often talk about me, expectations of 0:39:35.167 --> 0:39:38.087 what makes a good parent have shifted too. So you've 0:39:38.127 --> 0:39:40.327 got both parents who are working, often maybe working more 0:39:40.367 --> 0:39:42.847 than one job, maybe working shift work, maybe work. You know, 0:39:42.967 --> 0:39:46.167 they're grappling for childcare. And then there's also the sort 0:39:46.167 --> 0:39:48.767 of societal demands of like and your kid will be 0:39:48.767 --> 0:39:51.127 doing all these extra activities and this will happen, that happen. 0:39:51.407 --> 0:39:53.527 There are some kids who really do need more support. 0:39:53.647 --> 0:39:55.727 Some of these requests will be because of that, and 0:39:55.847 --> 0:39:58.887 parents maybe just don't know where to turn or how 0:39:58.967 --> 0:40:02.007 to ask it. But the things like the birthday party 0:40:02.047 --> 0:40:06.927 invitation admin that is admir and it's also expecting because 0:40:06.967 --> 0:40:08.887 if you kind of go a bit bigger picture on 0:40:08.927 --> 0:40:13.287 that that your kid's teacher is responsible for managing their 0:40:13.447 --> 0:40:16.927 personal life, if you like, and their social life, because 0:40:17.047 --> 0:40:19.087 a lot of parents will tell you that one of 0:40:19.087 --> 0:40:21.407 the really stressful things about primary school is that whole 0:40:21.407 --> 0:40:23.847 dilemma about do you invite the whole class do you 0:40:23.887 --> 0:40:26.767 invite a few kids, and that you might want to 0:40:26.847 --> 0:40:28.967 enlist the teacher somehow in managing that. 0:40:29.687 --> 0:40:33.087 You've just reminded me part of the reason and part 0:40:33.127 --> 0:40:38.287 of the move towards digital invitations has been so that 0:40:38.367 --> 0:40:41.247 for that reason, because handing them out on the day 0:40:41.287 --> 0:40:43.447 and who's got one and then they're walking around in 0:40:43.447 --> 0:40:48.007 the playground, you're contributing to children feeling very distressed. 0:40:48.127 --> 0:40:51.207 I am. I totally understand where it comes from, that 0:40:51.327 --> 0:40:53.927 desire for not but I also I kind of think 0:40:54.447 --> 0:40:56.247 there is an element of you just do have to 0:40:56.327 --> 0:40:57.927 understand that you're not going to get invited. 0:40:57.647 --> 0:41:00.167 To everything if you don't have time to fill out 0:41:00.167 --> 0:41:03.287 the invitations. I think you don't have time to have 0:41:03.327 --> 0:41:05.847 a party, which is so fine. They don't need a 0:41:05.847 --> 0:41:09.127 party every year. But like as you say, it's this 0:41:09.607 --> 0:41:12.927 pressure to have the birthday party thing has become completely 0:41:13.047 --> 0:41:16.127 out of control. I just think it's like that's also 0:41:16.167 --> 0:41:18.047 a lesson you learn as a kid too, is like 0:41:18.327 --> 0:41:22.087 this year, mommy and daddy don't have time to celebrate you. 0:41:22.327 --> 0:41:26.407 I remember that being a thing twenty first of December. 0:41:26.527 --> 0:41:29.047 Often it was like you can two friends over and 0:41:29.087 --> 0:41:30.647 we won't cater or. 0:41:31.287 --> 0:41:32.487 Just wait till Christmas. 0:41:32.647 --> 0:41:34.647 It's sad, it will come nothing. We're going to the 0:41:34.647 --> 0:41:37.287 beach as a family. What that's not a birthday party? 0:41:37.327 --> 0:41:39.807 Like often you don't have a birthday party, and it 0:41:39.927 --> 0:41:42.567 gives you a sense of you're not the most important person. 0:41:42.887 --> 0:41:44.607 For what you did for Luna's first birthday. 0:41:44.767 --> 0:41:47.127 What did I do for Luna's first birthday? I didn't 0:41:47.167 --> 0:41:49.687 do anything because she has to learn and you don't 0:41:49.687 --> 0:41:53.167 want to establish at one that I'm gonna have friends 0:41:53.167 --> 0:41:53.607 and a cake. 0:41:53.847 --> 0:41:56.167 Well that's whole the whole other story, isn't it is 0:41:56.167 --> 0:41:58.327 what parties have become, because like hot dogs and a 0:41:58.367 --> 0:42:00.087 cake is one thing, right, and that's what my birthday 0:42:00.087 --> 0:42:01.447 parties were as a kid. I don't want to sound 0:42:01.487 --> 0:42:04.127 like oh off, But it was like if even if 0:42:04.127 --> 0:42:06.487 you had friends over, it was hot dogs and a cake, 0:42:06.647 --> 0:42:07.847 whereas you got hot dogs. 0:42:07.847 --> 0:42:10.727 My mum put bloody bean sprouts in the sandwiches. 0:42:10.807 --> 0:42:11.687 I was sold. 0:42:11.887 --> 0:42:13.127 Yeah it was seventeen. 0:42:13.247 --> 0:42:14.407 Did you do Lolli bags? 0:42:14.527 --> 0:42:16.647 Yeah, we did Lolli bags, But the sandwiches she put 0:42:16.687 --> 0:42:18.927 like with peanut butter with bean sprouts, and I was like, 0:42:19.007 --> 0:42:20.007 I was so ashamed. 0:42:20.047 --> 0:42:22.367 But Instagram has done a lot of terrible things to 0:42:22.447 --> 0:42:26.447 birthday parties. And sometimes you see that everybody else is 0:42:26.487 --> 0:42:29.767 having maybe catering and a professional cake, and everybody's going 0:42:29.767 --> 0:42:31.607 to this amazing performance, and then we're doing this, and 0:42:31.607 --> 0:42:34.167 then we're doing that, and everybody gets in that arms race. 0:42:34.687 --> 0:42:36.487 But I have to show you that I love you too, 0:42:36.567 --> 0:42:38.367 and it has to look great and all those things. 0:42:38.567 --> 0:42:41.127 So I very much respect your rejection of that for 0:42:41.167 --> 0:42:43.367 the first person, and Jesse I very much respected. 0:42:43.527 --> 0:42:45.647 I think says happy Birthday like vogel. 0:42:45.327 --> 0:42:51.007 Bread out louders before we go. We've been talking a 0:42:51.007 --> 0:42:54.887 lot about color analysis our new wardrobes. Mayna, this is 0:42:55.007 --> 0:42:56.047 very what you're wearing today. 0:42:56.247 --> 0:42:57.287 It's not my colors. 0:42:57.327 --> 0:43:00.367 So today I'm you know, I've broken it, and you 0:43:00.407 --> 0:43:04.447 know what, I don't look as good a lot, but 0:43:04.527 --> 0:43:06.447 it doesn't do anything for my face. 0:43:06.887 --> 0:43:08.607 I had a male friend that I was talking to 0:43:08.647 --> 0:43:11.207 over the weekend who desperately asked me, I need you 0:43:11.287 --> 0:43:13.287 to explain color analysis and what I should wear, and 0:43:13.367 --> 0:43:15.567 I could tell in an instant I dreamt about color 0:43:15.567 --> 0:43:17.967 analysis last night. I have lost to the plot. But 0:43:18.087 --> 0:43:20.847 if you want to know more about color analysis, then 0:43:21.047 --> 0:43:23.207 we did a special bonus episode all about it that 0:43:23.247 --> 0:43:25.487 will explain all the rules. We will link to it 0:43:25.567 --> 0:43:26.927 in the show notes in case you missed it. 0:43:27.047 --> 0:43:28.967 I want to just thank all of you out loud 0:43:28.967 --> 0:43:30.687 as we've been looking at the places that you've been 0:43:30.727 --> 0:43:34.607 listening to us Later and Hearctica. Big hello to the 0:43:34.607 --> 0:43:39.687 out louder who's in Antarctica. A research center and Antarctica 0:43:39.847 --> 0:43:42.447 lots of tract there's lots of cows, a few doctors, 0:43:42.487 --> 0:43:45.887 waiting rooms, lots of cleaning. Wherever you're listening to us. 0:43:45.927 --> 0:43:48.727 Host louders Australia with like a van ful of parcels 0:43:48.727 --> 0:43:50.007 that they're delivering. 0:43:49.847 --> 0:43:52.287 Night truck drivers we had quite a few of those. 0:43:52.847 --> 0:43:55.367 Big thank you out Louders. Wherever you're listening. 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