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Speaker 3: I'm not brat. You can't you're not allowed. I read
Speaker 3: you're not allowed to self identify. Someone else has to
Speaker 3: call you back. Now you've ruined it. That is the
Speaker 3: sound of gen Z's everywhere being like, oh cool. She's
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Speaker 2: On Today's show, why is Irene from Home and Away
Speaker 2: beefing with a twenty year old about the gold LOGI?
Speaker 2: What is Tim Coconut? Who's in the k hive? And
Speaker 2: why is the vice president of the USA being called brat?
Speaker 2: Decoding the very TikTok campaign kickoff of Kamala Harris and
Speaker 2: the teacher who staged a rebellion over birthday party invitations
Speaker 2: are the expectations we're putting on educators. Just a bit drunk,
Speaker 2: but first mea Friedman.
Speaker 1: In case you missed it, the Matildas do not like
Speaker 1: their Olympic uniforms.
Speaker 2: Stuff not happy.
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Arnold and Alana Kennedy posted a TikTok that has
Speaker 1: gone viral revealing the outfits that they will wear to
Speaker 1: represent Australia.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is real. I think I
Speaker 3: saw them and in fact, when it's part of the
Speaker 3: whole outfit with the blazer, it doesn't look bad.
Speaker 1: It looks I guess this isn't what they're going to
Speaker 1: play in it. Yeah, so I know that podcast is
Speaker 1: not a visual medium, but we'll post footage on our socials.
Speaker 1: But a strappy green and gold dress with a pleated skirt.
Speaker 1: It kind of looks like a leotard with vignette of
Speaker 1: yellow to green.
Speaker 3: I wore a kilt as part of my school uniform,
Speaker 3: my current quarter kilt. That's what this is giving me.
Speaker 3: It's a three quarter kils.
Speaker 2: It's a bit in that ball dressy but with spaghettish.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Some of the suggestions have been that it looks
Speaker 1: like they might be going to the beach or their
Speaker 1: year ten formal. Others have said, as you did, Jesse,
Speaker 1: it's giving Australian primary school sports uniforms from the ninety Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah the plate. Some say it's giving family photos and
Speaker 1: your mum's picked everyone matching outfits. And then someone said,
Speaker 1: I honestly could not guess the sport based on this uniform.
Speaker 1: My best guess is a combination of swimming, jazzus size
Speaker 1: and tennis.
Speaker 2: My Matulder's badwagon is revving as who's getting on, Who's coming?
Speaker 2: I'll get on the only problem is because we're all
Speaker 2: excited about the Olympics, freakin' Europe because the first Matilda's
Speaker 2: game is on Friday, but it's at three a m.
Speaker 2: What if we get the first Matilda's game is against Germany.
Speaker 2: It's at three am on Friday morning. It's sort of
Speaker 2: before the big official kickoff of the Olympics. I'm more
Speaker 2: excited about the Matilda than anything else. But am I
Speaker 2: really getting up at three ams?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 1: It's good for our out loud as who are shift
Speaker 1: workers or insomniacs, or.
Speaker 2: Have perry yes, or have babies.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: I'm excited for the swimming. I like the gymnastics, light,
Speaker 3: the diving, I like all of it. But I like
Speaker 3: just turning on the TV and I don't know what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch and I end up, you know, seeing
Speaker 3: some Polish person do the splits. That's what I enjoy doing.
Speaker 3: But I have been deep on TikTok in the Olympic village,
Speaker 3: our Olympic TikTok before the Olympics have started. I've been
Speaker 3: living in the Olympic village. So here's what I know. Firstly,
Speaker 3: they're allowed to post as much content as they like.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's always been the case.
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting.
Speaker 1: So I think in other years there's been like a
Speaker 1: no social media policy, and now I think that it's
Speaker 1: become so endemic to people's identity, and it's also their hobbies.
Speaker 1: Like making TikTok content is a good sort of distraction
Speaker 1: in a positive way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fabulous. They're all going viral. It's very kind
Speaker 3: of basic. The room like a hostel, like a bit
Speaker 3: like a hostel. The beds are made, the base is cardboard,
Speaker 3: and the actual mattress is like foam. And I'm really
Speaker 3: concerned because I just don't see how you're a few.
Speaker 3: I think Tilly Kerns, who's an Australian Olympian, said, you know,
Speaker 3: she's not sleeping very well. And I'm worried about performing.
Speaker 1: Some of these tiktoks and you can turn they're like
Speaker 1: if you think about the kind of cushion that you
Speaker 1: put on an outdoor chair, like really thin. But then
Speaker 1: there's a firm side and a soft side. And I
Speaker 1: was watching some of the Matilna's saying they're not sleeping
Speaker 1: and they went, oh, we'll turn it over to the
Speaker 1: soft side.
Speaker 2: And they went, oh, that was the soft.
Speaker 3: Now was the soft side? I tell us they're good
Speaker 3: bed They need good beds because they need their rest.
Speaker 3: I remember when I was growing up, So I was
Speaker 3: in year four when the Sydney Olympics happened and we
Speaker 3: needed bunk beds two says twins, and we bought themselves
Speaker 3: in hand from the Olympic village.
Speaker 2: Were who slept in your bed? Do you think?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 2: Is that what?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 4: So long? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were a little bit long, but you
Speaker 3: could also get which is the case. He could get extenders,
Speaker 3: which some of the Olympians do need they at all
Speaker 3: because they're reach to the basketball.
Speaker 1: Your parents could have just bought one bed and you
Speaker 1: could have slept end to end exactly right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember them so rividly. Australia's biggest TV personalities
Speaker 3: are fighting over a gold LOGI and when I mentioned
Speaker 3: this story this morning, I need you to know that
Speaker 3: Holly frantically rubbed her hands together. She started bouncing on
Speaker 3: the shop. She started just like flapping her arms around.
Speaker 3: She was like, tell me more salivating. She physically leaned
Speaker 3: in and I've never seen her more animated about a story.
Speaker 3: Why do you think it's number one on our rundown today?
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: I was like, really it must be First, she started panting,
Speaker 3: nothing is more important? When I informed her that the
Speaker 3: Robert Irwin and the Lynn McGranger. I'm going to use
Speaker 3: the word feud because it excites Holly. Allow me to
Speaker 3: explain who she again.
Speaker 2: It pushes a button for me from my old tabloid day.
Speaker 2: I'm feud shock miracle baby.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, is just like all right. Lynn McGranger
Speaker 3: is of course home and away fame. She has been by.
Speaker 2: She might be an out loud because Adau is and
Speaker 2: they're good mates. They are good mates anyway, Hi, Iilen,
Speaker 2: if you're listening.
Speaker 3: There are no villains in this story.
Speaker 1: Up for the Gold LOGI I'm team Irene. Just can
Speaker 1: I be clear before we start?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this year we've got Larry Emder, We've got
Speaker 3: Julia Morris. These are the people who are up for
Speaker 3: the Gold log Sonya Krueger, Tony Armstrong, Andy Lee, Robert
Speaker 3: Erwin and Asha Ketty. Larry Emder. We love Larry. He
Speaker 3: posted about his nomination and Lynn McGranger saw it. She
Speaker 3: thought I leave a little comment and she I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but old mate Irwin has been on Telly for a
Speaker 3: bloody minute. No disrespect intended.
Speaker 2: Old mate.
Speaker 3: That's what I said when I heard that, exactly what
Speaker 3: you said.
Speaker 2: So sorry.
Speaker 1: Is Lynn mcgrange nominated for I thought she was nominated.
Speaker 3: She was supporting her friend Larry. Oh, I see so,
Speaker 3: Larry replied, are you starting an Internet future? Lynn? Which
Speaker 3: I love you, mom, starting on face exactly. I'm just
Speaker 3: don't care, Lynn replied, could be, honey, So she just
Speaker 3: put some little Lynn. Yeah, she's just there for the tea.
Speaker 3: That's when Julia Morris Robert Erwin's co host from I'm
Speaker 3: a Celebrity and also rival for the Gold LOGI, yeah,
Speaker 3: she got involved. She's having none of it, she said.
Speaker 3: I understand that people aren't exposed to people from other
Speaker 3: networks very often. I think Lynn's love for Larry. Everyone
Speaker 3: looks at Larry and they're like, Larry deserves it, He's
Speaker 3: been around forever. Well, my answer to that is everyone
Speaker 3: deserves it on that list. I totally get the sentiment
Speaker 3: where you want to protect and fiercely fight for the
Speaker 3: per newer door, but it's not appropriate to call out
Speaker 3: somebody else at someone else's expense. And Lynn knows better
Speaker 3: than that. She went on to praise Lynn's incredible career,
Speaker 3: and she said that she's sure it just comes from
Speaker 3: a place of loyalty to good old Larry.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see Asher enter the chat.
Speaker 3: Where's can you imagine?
Speaker 1: She's not even posing for the group photo. She's busy
Speaker 1: on sets being brilliant.
Speaker 3: Now, it's be clear important to note, and you might
Speaker 3: have missed this detail, but Larry did speak to a
Speaker 3: celebrity psychic on air, and the celebrity psychic predicted that
Speaker 3: there will be no gold for him.
Speaker 2: Oh I did How was his poker face?
Speaker 3: He took it. He took it really well, and he
Speaker 3: said I have heard that, oh Larry. Now, I love
Speaker 3: some awards beef because everyone pretends I don't care, but
Speaker 3: everyone really cares. And there has been some commentary about
Speaker 3: twenty year old Robert Erwin's nomination. Maya you think Lynn
Speaker 3: has a point?
Speaker 2: I do, I really do.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm sure that Robert is a lovely young man,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure maybe he will have a big future
Speaker 1: in television, but he has not earned.
Speaker 3: Oh do you even know what the criteria is for gold?
Speaker 2: Logo? I can't work.
Speaker 3: No, I've got it. I looked it up. Because that's
Speaker 3: my job is to look it up. The Gold Logi
Speaker 3: is an award for the most popular personality on Australian television.
Speaker 3: Do you know how many Instagram followers Robert Owen has
Speaker 3: six million?
Speaker 2: Are we basing it on Instagram?
Speaker 3: I just think it's a data point.
Speaker 2: It is a data point.
Speaker 3: What's her beef with Robert?
Speaker 1: I don't have a beef with him. I think his
Speaker 1: time will come. I just don't think he's worthy yet.
Speaker 1: It hasn't earned his stripe.
Speaker 2: It's not a lifetime Achievement award.
Speaker 3: It is a little bit. It's kind of iconic.
Speaker 2: This is the thing is that what does the Gold
Speaker 2: Logi mean? And the thing that's really interesting about the
Speaker 2: logis is in Australia, we half think the logis is
Speaker 2: a joke and half get really indignant in any way. Right,
Speaker 2: So we spend a lot of the time like sort
Speaker 2: of leaning into a cultural cringe about the logos. Oh,
Speaker 2: the dresses, it's not like America. How embarrassing, blah blah,
Speaker 2: and then half just like, how dare they outrageous?
Speaker 3: So do you think'ski me?
Speaker 2: Gold? Definitely?
Speaker 3: My thing about Robert Erwin?
Speaker 2: Right not?
Speaker 3: And Ley did you know that Robert Irwin won LOGI
Speaker 3: eleven years ago. He's actually won a Logi Award before.
Speaker 2: How was he even born that long time?
Speaker 3: He was on a TV series with his mum and
Speaker 3: sister and he was nominated for most Popular New Male Talent.
Speaker 3: That man has been on television for twenty years. And
Speaker 3: I think that he might win the Gold.
Speaker 2: So don't know. I want to win the Gold.
Speaker 3: Oh, I want She's my top.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Does Ashley's iconic want to win it before?
Speaker 2: She has won it before? And the thing is is
Speaker 2: I remember because I worked at TV week for a
Speaker 2: while one hundred years ago and Logis was a big
Speaker 2: deal then. The people who were always winning Gold in
Speaker 2: those days were Lisa McCune and Rove.
Speaker 3: He won it like three times, yep.
Speaker 2: And it was that era. And so really it reflects
Speaker 2: as you've said, that's the criteria says this exactly. It
Speaker 2: reflects a moment. It reflects a moment in time. And
Speaker 2: who is everybody looking at on TV right now?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Obviously in that time TV has changed so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so fragmented. Everybody isn't really looking at anybody. Everybody is
Speaker 2: looking in all kinds of different directions. So it does
Speaker 2: come down to things like Instagram followers. And the thing
Speaker 2: about Robert Irwin is he maybe twenty, but he definitely
Speaker 2: has riz. He definitely has charisma, enthusiasm, he leans in
Speaker 2: he wants.
Speaker 1: But my question about Instagram followers in the case of
Speaker 1: Robert Irwin, I don't think his Instagram followers are a
Speaker 1: result of his TV. I think his TV is a
Speaker 1: result of his Instagram followers. Yes, so I don't think
Speaker 1: the people who are following him on Instagram have probably
Speaker 1: ever even seen him on TV. And my other view
Speaker 1: would be, if someone has to win from that show
Speaker 1: I'm a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here, which I
Speaker 1: think is a great show, I would prefer it to
Speaker 1: be Julia Morris, who I don't think has ever won.
Speaker 3: And she's said yes, but I think that a war
Speaker 3: was like, we've got this sense and she needs to
Speaker 3: be fair. Yes, And it's not really how awards work.
Speaker 2: I think by fair people mean the person I want
Speaker 2: to win.
Speaker 3: Yes, that would be fair exactly, But I would if
Speaker 3: I was Robert Irwin. I was saying this and he's
Speaker 3: been so gracious because of course he is, but I
Speaker 3: would be thinking I don't think the average Australian quite
Speaker 3: knows how prolific Robert Irwin is. That he's been doing
Speaker 3: shows on the Discovery Channel. He was on Jimmy Fallon
Speaker 3: in Australia. He has done more television show.
Speaker 2: I realize that I don't think people do.
Speaker 3: So they think that he's just one. I'm a celebrity
Speaker 3: for five minutes. Yes, there's a reason why he is
Speaker 3: genuinely very talented and why he's so good at what.
Speaker 2: Is he good on that show? I haven't watched him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's brilliant and he's controversy free.
Speaker 2: Why is he so so far? He's only twenty. There's
Speaker 2: plenty of time for his controversies to unfold. Not that
Speaker 2: I wish him ill. The dynamic lake between him and Julia.
Speaker 3: Fantastic and Julia. I mean, Julia has done it and
Speaker 3: she's industry pro. But he's very likable, he's very charismatic,
Speaker 3: He's very good.
Speaker 2: I have a different Logi's adjacent issue. I need to
Speaker 2: address are you too going? Because Strife TV show based
Speaker 2: on MEA's memoir that you both were me as ep
Speaker 2: of your producer of you wrote an episode, et cetera. Jesse,
Speaker 2: are you going? And my adjacent question to that, obviously
Speaker 2: is what are you wearring? But my other question is
Speaker 2: I was just talking about how people like to diss
Speaker 2: the logis, but also they really care. Did you really
Speaker 2: care that it got nominated for LOGI would you have
Speaker 2: been upset if it had not been?
Speaker 3: I didn't even consider it being I forgot about the logo.
Speaker 1: I really thought, yeah, I thought of that just sort
Speaker 1: of came around and then I heard we'd been nominated.
Speaker 2: I was pretty happy that we were nominated.
Speaker 3: See that's the thing about awards, right, we can diss them,
Speaker 3: but to be recognized by your peers and within an industry,
Speaker 3: it's great for publicity, it's great for your bio. That
Speaker 3: you're right that nominated. Show like that all does matter. Maya,
Speaker 3: you are going to the logis. I'm so excited about
Speaker 3: Maya going to the logans. Didn't they try and get
Speaker 3: out of it?
Speaker 2: You hate things like that.
Speaker 3: I did try, And so tell me, tell me, I am.
Speaker 1: Jesse's not going because she's not important enough.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine me at the logo?
Speaker 1: We know what I'm dreading it, which sounds really spoiled
Speaker 1: and privileged and petulant. But I don't like those kinds
Speaker 1: of things. I think to the loggies one time.
Speaker 3: Before, but we like you going to those things.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm very anxious because it goes for six hours.
Speaker 2: And I'm not good with that. It goes late and
Speaker 2: I'm not good.
Speaker 3: But there's lots of sparkly things to look at. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you've got to sit there.
Speaker 2: And when are you going to start choosing your from?
Speaker 1: I suppose I should start thinking when is it a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks mid August?
Speaker 3: I think it's like three weeks.
Speaker 1: It's on a Sunday.
Speaker 2: Can Louders help you choose? Yes?
Speaker 1: The assignment is out louders. It's not my night right, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not a nominee. I don't work in Tellivision.
Speaker 3: A good point.
Speaker 2: I am the.
Speaker 1: Sidest of side characters, which I'm happy about. But it's
Speaker 1: like bloody trying to find a dress for your web.
Speaker 3: Do you just wear the same dress I could?
Speaker 2: That's my fallback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to tarnish it by wearing it
Speaker 1: to the logis because I really loved wearing it to
Speaker 1: your wedding. It doesn't mean it won't wear it again,
Speaker 1: but it's like, I don't think I'm gonna like the
Speaker 1: logis very much the vibes. I'm feeling anxious about it,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. There's something very special and a
Speaker 1: cherish that dress and what it means and where it's been.
Speaker 2: I want, more than anything anyway for me to wear
Speaker 2: the dress that she wore to the.
Speaker 3: Sydney Out Loud show will.
Speaker 2: Lolli Wrapper because it's like Lizard Queen meets Lolli Rapper.
Speaker 2: And the thing is is if me or what she
Speaker 2: on the front of the Daily Week and it would
Speaker 2: be so fun for me.
Speaker 1: And my worst nightmare because it's so weird because I
Speaker 1: love clothes and I'm such a show off with my clothes. Right,
Speaker 1: My worst nightmare is you know that thing where they
Speaker 1: make people, I mean, they won't get me.
Speaker 2: Back beyond that thing. And it turns around and one
Speaker 2: eight hundred.
Speaker 1: Number of people can vote to you, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're sitting at home and you're going, hey, the fuck
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: Can you even imagine?
Speaker 3: Can you imagine how quickly I would vote?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love it? In a thousand do.
Speaker 3: You promise it? You'll be here on Monday to tell
Speaker 3: us all about it.
Speaker 2: Then I'm not going to be drunk in.
Speaker 3: A gutter, not Carl, not a five please.
Speaker 2: She may get sweptop in it, and before we know
Speaker 2: it shall be on the dance floor and she'll be
Speaker 2: living us.
Speaker 3: Because you need to go to phone off her louders
Speaker 3: need all the gossips.
Speaker 1: The last logis after party, I who.
Speaker 3: Do you hook up with? Come on?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't hook.
Speaker 1: Up any with anyone, but I was on the dance
Speaker 1: phone and I decided it was a big good idea
Speaker 1: to show whever you bred in my tattoo which is
Speaker 1: on my lower back. Oh okay, and I was wearing
Speaker 1: a long dress.
Speaker 2: Enough said.
Speaker 3: The LOGI goes to.
Speaker 4: Mother Loud. Yeah, three sixteen.
Speaker 2: What you see are just looking at me? Calm a light?
Speaker 2: Is brat? Are you brat? I am brat?
Speaker 1: And saying how.
Speaker 3: Loud is self appointed bratt correspondent.
Speaker 1: Jesus, I'm here with some answers about Bratt and about coconuts,
Speaker 1: which you also might have seen online. Please take people
Speaker 1: back to the beginning and which are quite confusing. Firstly, Kamala,
Speaker 1: since Biden stepped down on the weekend and every prominent
Speaker 1: Democrat has endorsed Kamala. Her campaign has ignited hearts and
Speaker 1: minds and also tiktoks.
Speaker 3: Should we acknowledge the pronunciation of her name? Louders are saying,
Speaker 3: it's Kamala.
Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's just not. It's Kamala like Karma
Speaker 2: is my boyfriend? Kamala?
Speaker 1: Right Yep, heavy pronunciation on the first salable. Okay, Karmala
Speaker 1: got it anyway. Memes about Kamala have spontaneously gone viral,
Speaker 1: and Brat is the main one of the last probably
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. Charlie XCX is a pop star who
Speaker 1: you may know from these songs.
Speaker 4: Scar I was busy thinking about one.
Speaker 3: Did you know I've interviewed her. No, she's really cool.
Speaker 1: I saw her when she supported Taylor a couple of
Speaker 1: concepts ago at the Reputation concert.
Speaker 3: Is English. She's very impressive. She has a lot of is.
Speaker 1: Her new album was released about a month ago, and
Speaker 1: that new album artwork is lime green with the word brat.
Speaker 1: That's the name of the album, and the brat looks
Speaker 1: like it's slightly out of focus.
Speaker 2: Lo res, If you're not entirely tuned in to gen
Speaker 2: Z culture, you would think I could have made.
Speaker 3: That logo kind of vibe for that people.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the kind of thing that gen z love
Speaker 1: because it makes no sense and it's the opposite of
Speaker 1: perfect and polished. It's just a bit weird and a
Speaker 1: bit no one can explain it or why anyway. A
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, Charlie XCX posted Kamala is brat
Speaker 1: and that ignited a million memes and now the official
Speaker 1: Insta account of Kamala Harris's campaign, Kamala HQ, has gone green,
Speaker 1: embracing the meme and she's got this sudden cult status
Speaker 1: among young people.
Speaker 2: What does bratt mean?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: What does it mean?
Speaker 3: Brad is like I think of like a teenage brat
Speaker 3: who's a bit of a rebel and is irritating and
Speaker 3: it's not seen as.
Speaker 2: A compliment, right set We just talked about that, and
Speaker 2: that's because he's old and he doesn't understand that Brad
Speaker 2: is good. He could have reclaimed it.
Speaker 1: So in the way that the sea word is now good.
Speaker 1: If you are serving sea word, that's the best thing
Speaker 1: you can be, is serving sea word.
Speaker 3: Being brat.
Speaker 1: If someone else says that you are brat is.
Speaker 2: Also a good thing.
Speaker 3: Here is Charlie xx herself explaining what bratt is.
Speaker 4: You're just like that girl who is a little messy
Speaker 4: and likes to party.
Speaker 5: And like maybe says some like dumb things sometimes who
Speaker 5: like fills.
Speaker 3: Herself but then also like maybe has a breakdown but
Speaker 3: kind of like parties through.
Speaker 4: It's very honest, it's very blunt, a little bit volatile. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like it does dumb things, but like it's brat.
Speaker 2: You're brat, so it's cool.
Speaker 1: Like it's cool to be brat, even though none of
Speaker 1: the things that she just said seem like anything that
Speaker 1: you would want to be. It's kind of like being
Speaker 1: a hot mess.
Speaker 3: Like it's being a good thing anointed by the youth. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what it is the youth are saying, we see you,
Speaker 3: we acknowledge it, and we accept you to be honest,
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, not brat.
Speaker 1: No, And that's also I think why it's that right
Speaker 1: point exactly now, the coconut thing. So back in May
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, during a speech, Harris stressed the importance
Speaker 1: of not only focusing on the younger generation, but also
Speaker 1: being clear about the needs of their parents and their grandparents,
Speaker 1: and their teachers and their communities. So the context of
Speaker 1: the speech was that she was saying, it's not just
Speaker 1: about you, it's not just about young people. And she
Speaker 1: continued to say that none of us just live in
Speaker 1: a silo, and she shared some words of wisdom from
Speaker 1: her late mother.
Speaker 6: You think you just fell out of a coconut tree,
Speaker 6: you'll exist in the context of all in which you
Speaker 6: live and what came before you.
Speaker 1: So you might have heard that a little bit as well,
Speaker 1: about context and about everything that came before you. Again,
Speaker 1: it's now become something that was weaponized against her at
Speaker 1: the time to make fun of her, her laugh and
Speaker 1: that coconut tree. It's now been twisted and subverted and
Speaker 1: used as isn't she cool? So now people in support
Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris not to mock her, are posting coconut
Speaker 1: icons and coconut tree emoji.
Speaker 2: So the thing that's interesting about this, right is that
Speaker 2: because we could all go well, that's all seems like
Speaker 2: fun and games whatever, who cares. Is that in this
Speaker 2: American election, forty one million US voters will be gen z.
Speaker 2: So what happens on TikTok is very important. And what
Speaker 2: you'll see is and this is the same plays out
Speaker 2: here it played out during the referendum last year very much.
Speaker 2: There's the sort of official campaigning, like the ones you're
Speaker 2: going to see on main stream TV, the ones that
Speaker 2: are going to be endorsed by the party, all of
Speaker 2: those things are not going to be this. But you're
Speaker 2: going to see this in really big numbers, which is
Speaker 2: very encouraging if you are team Kamala or team Please
Speaker 2: not Trump, because TikTok has often been really good for
Speaker 2: the right, but these days the right is very Twitter.
Speaker 2: So the owner of Twitter, Elon Musk, is one of
Speaker 2: Trump's biggest donors. Yeah, that is true, right, and he
Speaker 2: endorsed him. He's one of his biggest donors. He has
Speaker 2: helped him raise a lot of money in Silicon Valley.
Speaker 2: He is a literal Trump campaigner. So that's where those
Speaker 2: people are going to live. And if Kamala's people are
Speaker 2: going to live on TikTok, that's really good for the
Speaker 2: youth vote, because, as I've just said about the gen
Speaker 2: Z voters, there's a big demographic shift going on in
Speaker 2: who's going to be voting in this election.
Speaker 3: I saw Variety critic Alison Herman. She tweeted, Kamala, if
Speaker 3: you're reading this do not acknowledge the coconut memes. I repeat,
Speaker 3: do not acknowledge the coconut memes. The children will turn on.
Speaker 3: I love that was so much interesting.
Speaker 2: Tell me why, tell me why that's the way that.
Speaker 3: Is Because the second she plays into it and she
Speaker 3: capitalizes on it, she's undermined the grassroots, organic nature of
Speaker 3: the trend. And so even there were you know, jokes
Speaker 3: about her coming on stage or whatever, or calling herself
Speaker 3: a brat or what. No, you do not call yourself
Speaker 3: a brat.
Speaker 2: That's the mistake I made at the beginning of.
Speaker 3: This show exactly. That's when people are just going to go, oh, well,
Speaker 3: it's not funny anymore. And now we've just got a
Speaker 3: fifty nine year old woman using our language. We only
Speaker 3: get to talk about you like that. What I've found
Speaker 3: interesting over the last few days as well. On Monday,
Speaker 3: we're talking about Kamala Harris, and we had a bunch
Speaker 3: of out louders rightfully point out, stop calling her Kamala,
Speaker 3: right the first name. You don't call him Donald, you
Speaker 3: didn't call him Joe. Why are we using just the
Speaker 3: first name? And I kind of thought about it, and
Speaker 3: I actually think they had a point but I was
Speaker 3: looking at the social campaign and some of the ads
Speaker 3: and I thought, how interesting that they use her first name.
Speaker 3: And then I was listening to this analysis about Democrats
Speaker 3: and Republicans on a podcast, and it was saying, this
Speaker 3: is a big generalization, it's very gendered. But it said,
Speaker 3: you vote for the Republican Party when you want a father,
Speaker 3: and you vote for the Democrats when you want a mother.
Speaker 3: So traditionally, don't you hate that? So traditionally they say
Speaker 3: the father would be hardline and stern and a disciplinarian,
Speaker 3: and then on the other hand, a mother would be
Speaker 3: more nurturing. So you're thinking health education, focus on the
Speaker 3: less privileged.
Speaker 2: I never hated anything more than I hate that.
Speaker 3: I hate that too.
Speaker 2: I think that's truth in that.
Speaker 3: But I think just the way that I'm watching this
Speaker 3: campaign go, there's a viral moment that happened between Harris
Speaker 3: and Drew Barrymore on her show where she said.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking that we really all need a tremendous
Speaker 1: hug in the world right now, but in our country,
Speaker 1: we need you to be Mamola of the country. Oh.
Speaker 1: I hated that so much, and I think Karmala hated
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, well, Drew's leaning forward and going I
Speaker 1: think we all need a Marmala.
Speaker 2: Prosecutor with an incredible record, like stop have to threat.
Speaker 3: Yes, the using of the first name it makes someone
Speaker 3: I was thinking about. It's tailor, not swift, it's Harry
Speaker 3: not styles like youth culture is all about using the
Speaker 3: first name. It's less form, it's more intimate, it's more intimate,
Speaker 3: it's more personable, and it's more equal. More than anything,
Speaker 3: it's just like we're on the same level. So it's
Speaker 3: hard to kind of untangle what is gendered, which is
Speaker 3: inevitably it is. It was Hillary, it was Julia, but
Speaker 3: also it.
Speaker 2: Was Kevin O seven and it was let's go Joe,
Speaker 2: Like I know that sometime it's handy to have a
Speaker 2: hologan with a first.
Speaker 1: Thing that's different about what a campaign slogan is and
Speaker 1: the way people refer to them, Like we'll talk about
Speaker 1: Angla Merkle, we won't talk about Merkle, but we'll talk
Speaker 1: about Putin and you're right, we'll talk about Hillary, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about Julia, the way we talk about people in conversations.
Speaker 1: So I think when people go Kevin O seven, that
Speaker 1: was a great great Line or Joe, like they're deliberately
Speaker 1: trying to do the thing that we're talking about, which
Speaker 1: is to make them feel more equal, less imposing, more
Speaker 1: author less authoritative exactly.
Speaker 2: I get that, But in Australia we literally call our
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Albo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we don't call him ant. We don't call
Speaker 1: him ant like.
Speaker 2: It's a silly non it's not a respectful thing like
Speaker 2: it's not. We don't call him Alban easy. You know,
Speaker 2: I disagree.
Speaker 1: I think in Australia that's the biggest compliment you can
Speaker 1: give someone implement.
Speaker 2: But if we're saying that we give men formal names
Speaker 2: and we give women informal names, that's not.
Speaker 1: Always Know, there's something about calling someone by their first
Speaker 1: name though, that can be a real I think.
Speaker 3: Which is I think what the out louders were trying.
Speaker 2: I'm going to call a Harris Heaps because I really
Speaker 2: I mean not all the time, Like like anything, you're
Speaker 2: going to switch your context depending on how you're talking.
Speaker 2: But I think that we really run a risk when
Speaker 2: we talk about powerful women if we're all trying to
Speaker 2: make them seem less powerful. And she is not the
Speaker 2: mom candidate, she is an incredible, Like I have watched
Speaker 2: on repeat, apart from the tiktoks, which have been fun,
Speaker 2: and I love trying to understand what all that's about.
Speaker 2: And then I remember that this isn't for me. I
Speaker 2: don't have to. It's like, just let the young people
Speaker 2: do their really good campaigning. That's great. But is the
Speaker 2: bit where she's in the Kaverna hearing she and there's
Speaker 2: a clip that you will have seen if you're on
Speaker 2: social media at all lately, where she says just very
Speaker 2: plainly and she's talking about obviously reproductive rights in America,
Speaker 2: and she says, can you think of any laws that
Speaker 2: interfere with what men do with their bodies?
Speaker 7: Can you think of any laws that give government the
Speaker 7: power to make decisions about the male body? I'm happy
Speaker 7: to answer more specific question male versus female.
Speaker 4: There are.
Speaker 7: Medical procedures them that the government has the power to
Speaker 7: make a decision about a man's.
Speaker 2: Body, and I thought you were asking about procedures that
Speaker 2: are unique to man.
Speaker 7: I'll repeat the question, can you think of any lines
Speaker 7: they give the government the power to make decisions about
Speaker 7: the male body?
Speaker 5: I'm not a thinking of any right now.
Speaker 2: Center and she just pushes that point in the most calm,
Speaker 2: strong way, and he is completely speechless. That is the
Speaker 2: woman that I want to vote for, which is why
Speaker 2: it's really smart. I mean, not that I'm voting. I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm saying if I was buying into this, which
Speaker 2: is why this is all really smart. The green and
Speaker 2: the brat and the dancing. But Kamala or Harris needs
Speaker 2: to kind of distance herself from that because she needs
Speaker 2: to be seen as a serious, hardcore person because she is.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that what's refreshing about her
Speaker 1: as a candidate and why I think the race has
Speaker 1: suddenly become a race is what Trump's done for a
Speaker 1: lot of Americans. Has made politics fun. It's not our
Speaker 1: kind of fun, in that he's horrible and he gets
Speaker 1: up and he abuses people and is racist and sex
Speaker 1: appalling and mean.
Speaker 3: But he's made it a TV show.
Speaker 1: You know, when there were interviews after the assassination attempt
Speaker 1: rally where the wife of the man that was killed said,
Speaker 1: it was just such a fun day. We were there
Speaker 1: with our two daughters. We were having such a fun day.
Speaker 1: Now that sounds like a weird thing to say, given
Speaker 1: that he gets up and he talks about immigrants, you know,
Speaker 1: raping people and stealing your jobs. But he has made
Speaker 1: it fun and you've got your red hats. What the
Speaker 1: Democrats haven't had and what they didn't have with Hillary
Speaker 1: and what they didn't have with Biden in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and now they've got with Kamala is fun.
Speaker 2: I agree, but there is a fine line between, which
Speaker 2: is why I loved that line too that Jesse brought
Speaker 2: up about the experts saying, don't lean into this too hard.
Speaker 2: Kama is. Let them have fun with her. Yeah, let
Speaker 2: the people who understand that do that. But I don't
Speaker 2: think you necessarily want Kamala to be doing the Charlie
Speaker 2: XCX Apple downs. It's a bit like what we talked
Speaker 2: about last week when we were talking about the t
Speaker 2: talk dances and when we I mean, obviously we're not
Speaker 2: presidential candidates, but when we decide, like do we lean
Speaker 2: into that trend or don't we? And I was saying
Speaker 2: it's funny because are you a serious person? Are you not?
Speaker 2: I think that probably the absolute sweet spot for somebody
Speaker 2: with such a high stakes position as this is to
Speaker 2: absolutely lean into like amplifying that with portions of your
Speaker 2: campaign and letting people have that fun. But I don't
Speaker 2: know that you want to be seen to be trying.
Speaker 3: To It's got to be both right and as usual.
Speaker 1: It's a very very hard needle for a woman to thread,
Speaker 1: and Hillary could never thread it. But I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't say that Donald Trump is a serious person. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the expectations of Kumala. That's why it's going to be
Speaker 1: so interesting to see how these next few months play out.
Speaker 3: I have a quick theory. I was in my car
Speaker 3: this morning and I was like, you know how Joe
Speaker 3: Biden he stepped down and the timing and everything has
Speaker 3: worked out bizarrely well. And it's worked out bizarrely well
Speaker 3: because he let Trump choose his nominee in JD. Vance
Speaker 3: before he said it was good to be Kumala. And
Speaker 3: I thought that was a stroke of genius. If I
Speaker 3: was writing a television show of the behind the scenes
Speaker 3: and I was Biden, I would have chosen that I
Speaker 3: was gonna go with Harris and I was gonna step down.
Speaker 3: I would let Trump do what Trump did, because I
Speaker 3: think Trump would have chosen a completely different vice president
Speaker 3: if he.
Speaker 1: Knew everyone said that Vance is the choice. If you
Speaker 1: think you're gonna win. He thought he was going to
Speaker 1: peep against.
Speaker 3: Against an old man, so he went, I'm going to
Speaker 3: go young. Well, now you're the old man Trump. So
Speaker 3: I think that that ended up being a stroke of
Speaker 3: absolute genius to let that come in first.
Speaker 2: I've already started sounding this alarm, my Monkenitian alarm, in
Speaker 2: every meeting we're in. It's the hope that kills you. Friends,
Speaker 2: don't get too carried away. Everywhere I look at the
Speaker 2: minute on social it's like we're gonna smash them. This
Speaker 2: is gonna be a walk over. Let's just let it
Speaker 2: play out.
Speaker 1: Remember the pant suits we wore to work in. Remember well,
Speaker 1: jd Vance is already called Kamala, a childless cat lady.
Speaker 7: I love gen Z your girl, and I'm out here
Speaker 7: in these streets.
Speaker 6: Do you think you just fell out of a coconut tree?
Speaker 6: I can imagine what can be.
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Speaker 2: Katie Larson is a primary school teacher. She's American. That's
Speaker 2: not really relevant because a lot of Australian teachers who
Speaker 2: could very much relate. Katie needs to tell you about
Speaker 2: an email she got from a parent last week.
Speaker 5: Yesterday, a parent asked me for a class list so
Speaker 5: they can invade all the kids to the birthday party.
Speaker 5: And I'm invaded to the birthday party too, very nice, said,
Speaker 5: no problem. Today the stack of inputations came and I
Speaker 5: was like, I guess I'll just put these in the mailboxes. Leader,
Speaker 5: no problem. We're outside all day. The last twenty minutes
Speaker 5: of the day, I was going to do it. I
Speaker 5: was gonna stuff the invitations and the envelopes, stuff them
Speaker 5: because they weren't stuffed, and then put them in the
Speaker 5: mail axes. I open them up only the first invitation
Speaker 5: was written in none of the rest. And that parent
Speaker 5: messaged me during the day with the information, and I
Speaker 5: thought that was for me because I was invraided. No,
Speaker 5: I was expected to read all the invitations. I responded,
Speaker 5: I can't read all these invitations out and they sent
Speaker 5: them home with the class list. Nope, not what I
Speaker 5: can do.
Speaker 2: Okatie, so much to unpack here?
Speaker 1: Why aren't they using paperless posts? That's my first question,
Speaker 1: or candor or something.
Speaker 2: Like what you're talking about or texts? Do you actually
Speaker 2: do handwritten? Of course? What like? Of course we do,
Speaker 2: like you put an invitation in the kids' school bag.
Speaker 2: I don't have all the email addresses, and you'll get
Speaker 2: a class list with all the emails and stuff'dress some
Speaker 2: places don't the private of course I don't like. I'm
Speaker 2: just not that organized and I wouldn't know. We literally
Speaker 2: just write out six invitations, put them in billy's bags,
Speaker 2: say give them to your friends, like like on pieces
Speaker 2: of like I'm posted on right, So.
Speaker 3: You buy them in a shop and invited.
Speaker 2: Not everybody lives in your world? Do you fax them
Speaker 2: to the people?
Speaker 3: Then you could get the fairness?
Speaker 2: To me? How you think that that is so old fashioned?
Speaker 2: I never even occurred to me to do it any
Speaker 2: other way, never even occurred to me anyway. So much
Speaker 2: to impact here about Katie, including that if I was
Speaker 2: inviting you to a thing, then I would in mate.
Speaker 2: But I don't have everybody's phone. I want everybody's phone.
Speaker 1: So everyone has been sending kids party invitations to my
Speaker 1: kids that way for maybe fifteen years.
Speaker 2: That's so weird. I've never even got one. Maybe different,
Speaker 2: I've dis missed them.
Speaker 3: Different They've probably gone to your spam folder.
Speaker 2: That's why I thought Billy didn't get invited twenty party.
Speaker 3: He's just on the internet.
Speaker 2: Am I the asshole? An asshold? And no one's an
Speaker 2: asshole here? But it's like, are you living in normal world?
Speaker 2: Or am I living in normal world? That's enough topics
Speaker 2: we have anyway, Because in case you thought this was
Speaker 2: an entirely American story about things that were expected of
Speaker 2: this teacher, a quick survey of both the Internet and
Speaker 2: out louders for some more that's not in my job description.
Speaker 2: Things that teachers got. Let me just give you a
Speaker 2: couple of them. An Australian teacher says, I once got
Speaker 2: an email to ask to check a lady's son's desk
Speaker 2: because it was reported to her that there was a
Speaker 2: very dangerous spider inside. I was asked to empty, clean,
Speaker 2: photograph the desk back to the mother. Oh god, I.
Speaker 3: Know, I imagine that child had his phone on it.
Speaker 2: I must have done. Here's another great one. This is
Speaker 2: a note that came in the kid's school bag to class.
Speaker 2: My son swallowed a watch battery at home. Please use
Speaker 2: this fork and clothespin to inspect his poop until we
Speaker 2: find the battery. Stop it. Others asked teachers to clean
Speaker 2: their child's nose on picture day, to track a student's
Speaker 2: menstrual period and mood changes, and to squeeze a student's
Speaker 2: head during test taking to relieve anxiety. Oh, somebody else said,
Speaker 2: since my child sees a speech pathologist for the half
Speaker 2: hour after lunch, I had appreciated if you didn't teach
Speaker 2: anything new and in commas until he returns to the classroom.
Speaker 2: And there was a parent who requested that their son
Speaker 2: be given credit for an essay in spite of not
Speaker 2: turning one in because in quotes, he wrote it in
Speaker 2: his head. You know a lot of teachers. Does the
Speaker 2: birthday invitation story surprise you?
Speaker 3: Not at all. There are from my parents, to my brothers,
Speaker 3: to most of my aunties and uncles, all teachers I
Speaker 3: had out louders message me and say that one kid
Speaker 3: had a bit of a digestive issue. And the mother said,
Speaker 3: I need you to go and look in the toilet
Speaker 3: after he finishes his business, and then rated on the
Speaker 3: bristol stool.
Speaker 2: Chat. Is that people joke?
Speaker 3: Is this a joke? No, this is absolutely true. There
Speaker 3: was another high school student who the daughter needed assistance
Speaker 3: changing her pads, and look in that kind of instance,
Speaker 3: you go, that's a child who needs assistance, right, So
Speaker 3: that's actually I.
Speaker 2: Think child needs assistance. Yes, I need assistance.
Speaker 3: But that's about resourcing. That's about exactly, that's about a
Speaker 3: school and resourcing. I think a few things are going on.
Speaker 3: There is a lack of understanding about what teachers do
Speaker 3: day to day and what their job is. And it's
Speaker 3: not to say I've heard stories about kindergarten kids coming
Speaker 3: in who aren't toilet trained and suggesting that that's something
Speaker 3: that I said, toilet trained like a dog. But you
Speaker 3: know by Chraine that that's something that they should do.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if it's to do with the privatization
Speaker 3: of our world and that we expect everywhere to be like, well,
Speaker 3: A'll take my business elsewhere if you don't give me
Speaker 3: exactly what I want, like we treat each other like employees. Yes,
Speaker 3: And I think it's also.
Speaker 1: A teacher is not your staff member or your EA.
Speaker 3: Who then you can just go, hey, what I need
Speaker 3: from you? As invitations. I need blah and I need blah.
Speaker 3: And the second thing I think is going on to
Speaker 3: give a bit of credit or empathy perhaps to parents,
Speaker 3: is that I think parents are so busy. They are
Speaker 3: so busy to me, if a child is turning up
Speaker 3: to kindergarten and you haven't had an opportunity.
Speaker 2: Parents more busy than they used to be.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you've got two full time working parents, You've
Speaker 3: got minimal support, you've got really demanding jobs. I don't
Speaker 3: think that they have scope to do everything that they
Speaker 3: want to do for their child, and then they're projecting
Speaker 3: that onto a teacher like that seems to me.
Speaker 2: And also, as you often talk about me, expectations of
Speaker 2: what makes a good parent have shifted too. So you've
Speaker 2: got both parents who are working, often maybe working more
Speaker 2: than one job, maybe working shift work, maybe work. You know,
Speaker 2: they're grappling for childcare. And then there's also the sort
Speaker 2: of societal demands of like and your kid will be
Speaker 2: doing all these extra activities and this will happen, that happen.
Speaker 2: There are some kids who really do need more support.
Speaker 2: Some of these requests will be because of that, and
Speaker 2: parents maybe just don't know where to turn or how
Speaker 2: to ask it. But the things like the birthday party
Speaker 2: invitation admin that is admir and it's also expecting because
Speaker 2: if you kind of go a bit bigger picture on
Speaker 2: that that your kid's teacher is responsible for managing their
Speaker 2: personal life, if you like, and their social life, because
Speaker 2: a lot of parents will tell you that one of
Speaker 2: the really stressful things about primary school is that whole
Speaker 2: dilemma about do you invite the whole class do you
Speaker 2: invite a few kids, and that you might want to
Speaker 2: enlist the teacher somehow in managing that.
Speaker 1: You've just reminded me part of the reason and part
Speaker 1: of the move towards digital invitations has been so that
Speaker 1: for that reason, because handing them out on the day
Speaker 1: and who's got one and then they're walking around in
Speaker 1: the playground, you're contributing to children feeling very distressed.
Speaker 2: I am. I totally understand where it comes from, that
Speaker 2: desire for not but I also I kind of think
Speaker 2: there is an element of you just do have to
Speaker 2: understand that you're not going to get invited.
Speaker 3: To everything if you don't have time to fill out
Speaker 3: the invitations. I think you don't have time to have
Speaker 3: a party, which is so fine. They don't need a
Speaker 3: party every year. But like as you say, it's this
Speaker 3: pressure to have the birthday party thing has become completely
Speaker 3: out of control. I just think it's like that's also
Speaker 3: a lesson you learn as a kid too, is like
Speaker 3: this year, mommy and daddy don't have time to celebrate you.
Speaker 3: I remember that being a thing twenty first of December.
Speaker 3: Often it was like you can two friends over and
Speaker 3: we won't cater or.
Speaker 1: Just wait till Christmas.
Speaker 3: It's sad, it will come nothing. We're going to the
Speaker 3: beach as a family. What that's not a birthday party?
Speaker 3: Like often you don't have a birthday party, and it
Speaker 3: gives you a sense of you're not the most important person.
Speaker 1: For what you did for Luna's first birthday.
Speaker 3: What did I do for Luna's first birthday? I didn't
Speaker 3: do anything because she has to learn and you don't
Speaker 3: want to establish at one that I'm gonna have friends
Speaker 3: and a cake.
Speaker 2: Well that's whole the whole other story, isn't it is
Speaker 2: what parties have become, because like hot dogs and a
Speaker 2: cake is one thing, right, and that's what my birthday
Speaker 2: parties were as a kid. I don't want to sound
Speaker 2: like oh off, But it was like if even if
Speaker 2: you had friends over, it was hot dogs and a cake,
Speaker 2: whereas you got hot dogs.
Speaker 1: My mum put bloody bean sprouts in the sandwiches.
Speaker 3: I was sold.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was seventeen.
Speaker 3: Did you do Lolli bags?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did Lolli bags, But the sandwiches she put
Speaker 1: like with peanut butter with bean sprouts, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was so ashamed.
Speaker 2: But Instagram has done a lot of terrible things to
Speaker 2: birthday parties. And sometimes you see that everybody else is
Speaker 2: having maybe catering and a professional cake, and everybody's going
Speaker 2: to this amazing performance, and then we're doing this, and
Speaker 2: then we're doing that, and everybody gets in that arms race.
Speaker 2: But I have to show you that I love you too,
Speaker 2: and it has to look great and all those things.
Speaker 2: So I very much respect your rejection of that for
Speaker 2: the first person, and Jesse I very much respected.
Speaker 1: I think says happy Birthday like vogel.
Speaker 3: Bread out louders before we go. We've been talking a
Speaker 3: lot about color analysis our new wardrobes. Mayna, this is
Speaker 3: very what you're wearing today.
Speaker 2: It's not my colors.
Speaker 1: So today I'm you know, I've broken it, and you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't look as good a lot, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't do anything for my face.
Speaker 3: I had a male friend that I was talking to
Speaker 3: over the weekend who desperately asked me, I need you
Speaker 3: to explain color analysis and what I should wear, and
Speaker 3: I could tell in an instant I dreamt about color
Speaker 3: analysis last night. I have lost to the plot. But
Speaker 3: if you want to know more about color analysis, then
Speaker 3: we did a special bonus episode all about it that
Speaker 3: will explain all the rules. We will link to it
Speaker 3: in the show notes in case you missed it.
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