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Speaker 2: about on Wednesday, the twenty fourth of July. I'm Holly

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Speaker 2: On Today's show, why is Irene from Home and Away

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Speaker 2: beefing with a twenty year old about the gold LOGI?

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Speaker 2: What is Tim Coconut? Who's in the k hive? And

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Speaker 2: why is the vice president of the USA being called brat?

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Speaker 2: Decoding the very TikTok campaign kickoff of Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 2: the teacher who staged a rebellion over birthday party invitations

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Speaker 2: are the expectations we're putting on educators. Just a bit drunk,

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Speaker 2: but first mea Friedman.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it, the Matildas do not like

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Speaker 1: their Olympic uniforms.

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Speaker 2: Stuff not happy.

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Speaker 1: Mackenzie Arnold and Alana Kennedy posted a TikTok that has

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Speaker 1: gone viral revealing the outfits that they will wear to

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this is real. I think I

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Speaker 1: It looks I guess this isn't what they're going to

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Speaker 1: play in it. Yeah, so I know that podcast is

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Speaker 1: not a visual medium, but we'll post footage on our socials.

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Speaker 1: But a strappy green and gold dress with a pleated skirt.

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Speaker 1: It kind of looks like a leotard with vignette of

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Speaker 3: I wore a kilt as part of my school uniform,

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Speaker 3: It's a three quarter kils.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit in that ball dressy but with spaghettish.

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Speaker 1: I honestly could not guess the sport based on this uniform.

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Speaker 2: My Matulder's badwagon is revving as who's getting on, Who's coming?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 1: It's good for our out loud as who are shift

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Speaker 3: I'm excited for the swimming. I like the gymnastics, light,

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Speaker 3: But I have been deep on TikTok in the Olympic village,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fabulous. They're all going viral. It's very kind

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Speaker 1: Some of these tiktoks and you can turn they're like

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Speaker 2: And they went, oh, that was the soft.

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Speaker 2: Were who slept in your bed? Do you think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember them so rividly. Australia's biggest TV personalities

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Speaker 3: Holly frantically rubbed her hands together. She started bouncing on

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Speaker 3: Why do you think it's number one on our rundown today?

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Speaker 3: I was like, really it must be First, she started panting,

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Speaker 3: Robert Irwin and the Lynn McGranger. I'm going to use

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Speaker 3: the word feud because it excites Holly. Allow me to

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Speaker 2: It pushes a button for me from my old tabloid day.

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Speaker 2: I'm feud shock miracle baby.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, is just like all right. Lynn McGranger

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Speaker 2: She might be an out loud because Adau is and

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Speaker 2: they're good mates. They are good mates anyway, Hi, Iilen,

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Speaker 3: There are no villains in this story.

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Speaker 1: Up for the Gold LOGI I'm team Irene. Just can

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this year we've got Larry Emder, We've got

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Speaker 3: Erwin and Asha Ketty. Larry Emder. We love Larry. He

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Speaker 3: posted about his nomination and Lynn McGranger saw it. She

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Speaker 3: but old mate Irwin has been on Telly for a

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Speaker 3: That's what I said when I heard that, exactly what

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Speaker 1: Is Lynn mcgrange nominated for I thought she was nominated.

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Speaker 3: She was supporting her friend Larry. Oh, I see so,

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Speaker 3: Larry replied, are you starting an Internet future? Lynn? Which

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Speaker 3: don't care, Lynn replied, could be, honey, So she just

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Speaker 3: That's when Julia Morris Robert Erwin's co host from I'm

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Speaker 3: a Celebrity and also rival for the Gold LOGI, yeah,

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Speaker 3: she got involved. She's having none of it, she said.

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Speaker 3: I understand that people aren't exposed to people from other

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Speaker 3: than that. She went on to praise Lynn's incredible career,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see Asher enter the chat.

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Speaker 3: Where's can you imagine?

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Speaker 1: She's not even posing for the group photo. She's busy

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Speaker 1: on sets being brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's be clear important to note, and you might

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Speaker 3: have missed this detail, but Larry did speak to a

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Speaker 2: Oh I did How was his poker face?

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Speaker 3: He took it. He took it really well, and he

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Speaker 3: some awards beef because everyone pretends I don't care, but

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Speaker 3: twenty year old Robert Erwin's nomination. Maya you think Lynn

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Speaker 2: I do, I really do.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm sure that Robert is a lovely young man,

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Speaker 3: And Ley did you know that Robert Irwin won LOGI

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Speaker 3: be fair. Yes, And it's not really how awards work.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that would be fair exactly, But I would if

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Speaker 2: Is he good on that show? I haven't watched him.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even consider it being I forgot about the logo.

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Speaker 3: See that's the thing about awards, right, we can diss them,

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine me at the logo?

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Speaker 1: We know what I'm dreading it, which sounds really spoiled

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Speaker 3: Before, but we like you going to those things.

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Speaker 3: But there's lots of sparkly things to look at. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And when are you going to start choosing your from?

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Speaker 2: Can Louders help you choose? Yes?

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Speaker 1: The assignment is out louders. It's not my night right, Like,

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Speaker 3: Sydney Out Loud show will.

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Speaker 2: Lolli Wrapper because it's like Lizard Queen meets Lolli Rapper.

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Speaker 1: Number of people can vote to you, you know, when

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Speaker 2: Can you even imagine?

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine how quickly I would vote?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love it? In a thousand do.

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Speaker 3: You promise it? You'll be here on Monday to tell

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Speaker 2: Then I'm not going to be drunk in.

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Speaker 3: A gutter, not Carl, not a five please.

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Speaker 2: She may get sweptop in it, and before we know

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Speaker 3: Because you need to go to phone off her louders

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Speaker 3: Do you hook up with? Come on?

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Speaker 2: Enough said.

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Speaker 3: The LOGI goes to.

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Speaker 4: Mother Loud. Yeah, three sixteen.

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Speaker 2: What you see are just looking at me? Calm a light?

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Speaker 2: Is brat? Are you brat? I am brat?

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Speaker 1: And saying how.

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Speaker 3: Loud is self appointed bratt correspondent.

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Speaker 1: Jesus, I'm here with some answers about Bratt and about coconuts,

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Speaker 1: which you also might have seen online. Please take people

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Speaker 3: Should we acknowledge the pronunciation of her name? Louders are saying,

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Speaker 3: it's Kamala.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's just not. It's Kamala like Karma

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Speaker 1: Right Yep, heavy pronunciation on the first salable. Okay, Karmala

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours. Charlie XCX is a pop star who

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Speaker 4: Scar I was busy thinking about one.

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Speaker 3: Did you know I've interviewed her. No, she's really cool.

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Speaker 1: I saw her when she supported Taylor a couple of

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Speaker 3: Is English. She's very impressive. She has a lot of is.

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Speaker 1: Her new album was released about a month ago, and

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Speaker 1: that new album artwork is lime green with the word brat.

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Speaker 1: That's the name of the album, and the brat looks

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Speaker 1: and that ignited a million memes and now the official

441
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Speaker 1: Insta account of Kamala Harris's campaign, Kamala HQ, has gone green,

442
00:20:09,527 --> 00:20:12,727
Speaker 1: embracing the meme and she's got this sudden cult status

443
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Speaker 1: among young people.

444
00:20:14,807 --> 00:20:16,007
Speaker 2: What does bratt mean?

445
00:20:16,087 --> 00:20:16,287
Speaker 1: Though?

446
00:20:16,367 --> 00:20:17,047
Speaker 2: What does it mean?

447
00:20:17,487 --> 00:20:20,567
Speaker 3: Brad is like I think of like a teenage brat

448
00:20:20,567 --> 00:20:23,927
Speaker 3: who's a bit of a rebel and is irritating and

449
00:20:23,967 --> 00:20:25,687
Speaker 3: it's not seen as.

450
00:20:25,607 --> 00:20:29,647
Speaker 2: A compliment, right set We just talked about that, and

451
00:20:31,927 --> 00:20:34,127
Speaker 2: that's because he's old and he doesn't understand that Brad

452
00:20:34,247 --> 00:20:35,807
Speaker 2: is good. He could have reclaimed it.

453
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Speaker 1: So in the way that the sea word is now good.

454
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Speaker 1: If you are serving sea word, that's the best thing

455
00:20:41,527 --> 00:20:43,247
Speaker 1: you can be, is serving sea word.

456
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Speaker 3: Being brat.

457
00:20:44,527 --> 00:20:46,407
Speaker 1: If someone else says that you are brat is.

458
00:20:46,407 --> 00:20:47,127
Speaker 2: Also a good thing.

459
00:20:47,447 --> 00:20:50,527
Speaker 3: Here is Charlie xx herself explaining what bratt is.

460
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Speaker 4: You're just like that girl who is a little messy

461
00:20:54,527 --> 00:20:55,767
Speaker 4: and likes to party.

462
00:20:55,567 --> 00:20:59,327
Speaker 5: And like maybe says some like dumb things sometimes who

463
00:20:59,367 --> 00:21:00,247
Speaker 5: like fills.

464
00:20:59,887 --> 00:21:03,647
Speaker 3: Herself but then also like maybe has a breakdown but

465
00:21:03,767 --> 00:21:04,967
Speaker 3: kind of like parties through.

466
00:21:05,047 --> 00:21:09,527
Speaker 4: It's very honest, it's very blunt, a little bit volatile. Yeah,

467
00:21:09,567 --> 00:21:12,767
Speaker 4: like it does dumb things, but like it's brat.

468
00:21:12,807 --> 00:21:14,167
Speaker 2: You're brat, so it's cool.

469
00:21:14,207 --> 00:21:15,967
Speaker 1: Like it's cool to be brat, even though none of

470
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Speaker 1: the things that she just said seem like anything that

471
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Speaker 1: you would want to be. It's kind of like being

472
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Speaker 1: a hot mess.

473
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Speaker 3: Like it's being a good thing anointed by the youth. Yeah,

474
00:21:24,687 --> 00:21:26,727
Speaker 3: what it is the youth are saying, we see you,

475
00:21:26,847 --> 00:21:29,247
Speaker 3: we acknowledge it, and we accept you to be honest,

476
00:21:29,567 --> 00:21:31,367
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, not brat.

477
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Speaker 1: No, And that's also I think why it's that right

478
00:21:33,567 --> 00:21:37,087
Speaker 1: point exactly now, the coconut thing. So back in May

479
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, during a speech, Harris stressed the importance

480
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Speaker 1: of not only focusing on the younger generation, but also

481
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Speaker 1: being clear about the needs of their parents and their grandparents,

482
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Speaker 1: and their teachers and their communities. So the context of

483
00:21:51,247 --> 00:21:53,967
Speaker 1: the speech was that she was saying, it's not just

484
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Speaker 1: about you, it's not just about young people. And she

485
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Speaker 1: continued to say that none of us just live in

486
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Speaker 1: a silo, and she shared some words of wisdom from

487
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Speaker 1: her late mother.

488
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Speaker 6: You think you just fell out of a coconut tree,

489
00:22:08,047 --> 00:22:12,487
Speaker 6: you'll exist in the context of all in which you

490
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Speaker 6: live and what came before you.

491
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Speaker 1: So you might have heard that a little bit as well,

492
00:22:16,087 --> 00:22:19,767
Speaker 1: about context and about everything that came before you. Again,

493
00:22:19,847 --> 00:22:23,287
Speaker 1: it's now become something that was weaponized against her at

494
00:22:23,327 --> 00:22:26,807
Speaker 1: the time to make fun of her, her laugh and

495
00:22:26,967 --> 00:22:32,047
Speaker 1: that coconut tree. It's now been twisted and subverted and

496
00:22:32,207 --> 00:22:35,607
Speaker 1: used as isn't she cool? So now people in support

497
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Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris not to mock her, are posting coconut

498
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Speaker 1: icons and coconut tree emoji.

499
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Speaker 2: So the thing that's interesting about this, right is that

500
00:22:44,247 --> 00:22:46,767
Speaker 2: because we could all go well, that's all seems like

501
00:22:46,807 --> 00:22:49,847
Speaker 2: fun and games whatever, who cares. Is that in this

502
00:22:49,927 --> 00:22:54,967
Speaker 2: American election, forty one million US voters will be gen z.

503
00:22:55,847 --> 00:22:59,727
Speaker 2: So what happens on TikTok is very important. And what

504
00:22:59,767 --> 00:23:02,247
Speaker 2: you'll see is and this is the same plays out

505
00:23:02,247 --> 00:23:05,647
Speaker 2: here it played out during the referendum last year very much.

506
00:23:05,847 --> 00:23:08,447
Speaker 2: There's the sort of official campaigning, like the ones you're

507
00:23:08,447 --> 00:23:10,847
Speaker 2: going to see on main stream TV, the ones that

508
00:23:10,887 --> 00:23:12,727
Speaker 2: are going to be endorsed by the party, all of

509
00:23:12,767 --> 00:23:15,367
Speaker 2: those things are not going to be this. But you're

510
00:23:15,367 --> 00:23:18,527
Speaker 2: going to see this in really big numbers, which is

511
00:23:18,607 --> 00:23:22,447
Speaker 2: very encouraging if you are team Kamala or team Please

512
00:23:22,527 --> 00:23:26,607
Speaker 2: not Trump, because TikTok has often been really good for

513
00:23:26,647 --> 00:23:29,927
Speaker 2: the right, but these days the right is very Twitter.

514
00:23:30,087 --> 00:23:33,407
Speaker 2: So the owner of Twitter, Elon Musk, is one of

515
00:23:33,447 --> 00:23:37,167
Speaker 2: Trump's biggest donors. Yeah, that is true, right, and he

516
00:23:38,007 --> 00:23:40,647
Speaker 2: endorsed him. He's one of his biggest donors. He has

517
00:23:40,687 --> 00:23:42,887
Speaker 2: helped him raise a lot of money in Silicon Valley.

518
00:23:43,127 --> 00:23:46,767
Speaker 2: He is a literal Trump campaigner. So that's where those

519
00:23:46,807 --> 00:23:49,407
Speaker 2: people are going to live. And if Kamala's people are

520
00:23:49,447 --> 00:23:51,647
Speaker 2: going to live on TikTok, that's really good for the

521
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Speaker 2: youth vote, because, as I've just said about the gen

522
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Speaker 2: Z voters, there's a big demographic shift going on in

523
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Speaker 2: who's going to be voting in this election.

524
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Speaker 3: I saw Variety critic Alison Herman. She tweeted, Kamala, if

525
00:24:03,207 --> 00:24:06,527
Speaker 3: you're reading this do not acknowledge the coconut memes. I repeat,

526
00:24:06,727 --> 00:24:09,207
Speaker 3: do not acknowledge the coconut memes. The children will turn on.

527
00:24:09,607 --> 00:24:11,447
Speaker 3: I love that was so much interesting.

528
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Speaker 2: Tell me why, tell me why that's the way that.

529
00:24:14,087 --> 00:24:17,247
Speaker 3: Is Because the second she plays into it and she

530
00:24:17,407 --> 00:24:22,127
Speaker 3: capitalizes on it, she's undermined the grassroots, organic nature of

531
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Speaker 3: the trend. And so even there were you know, jokes

532
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Speaker 3: about her coming on stage or whatever, or calling herself

533
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Speaker 3: a brat or what. No, you do not call yourself

534
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Speaker 3: a brat.

535
00:24:30,967 --> 00:24:32,647
Speaker 2: That's the mistake I made at the beginning of.

536
00:24:32,687 --> 00:24:35,407
Speaker 3: This show exactly. That's when people are just going to go, oh, well,

537
00:24:35,407 --> 00:24:37,447
Speaker 3: it's not funny anymore. And now we've just got a

538
00:24:37,767 --> 00:24:39,847
Speaker 3: fifty nine year old woman using our language. We only

539
00:24:39,847 --> 00:24:42,887
Speaker 3: get to talk about you like that. What I've found

540
00:24:43,207 --> 00:24:46,247
Speaker 3: interesting over the last few days as well. On Monday,

541
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Speaker 3: we're talking about Kamala Harris, and we had a bunch

542
00:24:49,207 --> 00:24:53,887
Speaker 3: of out louders rightfully point out, stop calling her Kamala,

543
00:24:54,047 --> 00:24:57,087
Speaker 3: right the first name. You don't call him Donald, you

544
00:24:57,127 --> 00:24:59,607
Speaker 3: didn't call him Joe. Why are we using just the

545
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Speaker 3: first name? And I kind of thought about it, and

546
00:25:01,127 --> 00:25:03,327
Speaker 3: I actually think they had a point but I was

547
00:25:03,367 --> 00:25:06,207
Speaker 3: looking at the social campaign and some of the ads

548
00:25:06,247 --> 00:25:09,167
Speaker 3: and I thought, how interesting that they use her first name.

549
00:25:09,407 --> 00:25:11,887
Speaker 3: And then I was listening to this analysis about Democrats

550
00:25:11,927 --> 00:25:15,087
Speaker 3: and Republicans on a podcast, and it was saying, this

551
00:25:15,167 --> 00:25:17,727
Speaker 3: is a big generalization, it's very gendered. But it said,

552
00:25:18,127 --> 00:25:20,487
Speaker 3: you vote for the Republican Party when you want a father,

553
00:25:20,727 --> 00:25:22,607
Speaker 3: and you vote for the Democrats when you want a mother.

554
00:25:22,887 --> 00:25:26,127
Speaker 3: So traditionally, don't you hate that? So traditionally they say

555
00:25:26,167 --> 00:25:28,967
Speaker 3: the father would be hardline and stern and a disciplinarian,

556
00:25:29,327 --> 00:25:31,847
Speaker 3: and then on the other hand, a mother would be

557
00:25:31,887 --> 00:25:35,167
Speaker 3: more nurturing. So you're thinking health education, focus on the

558
00:25:35,247 --> 00:25:35,887
Speaker 3: less privileged.

559
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Speaker 2: I never hated anything more than I hate that.

560
00:25:37,927 --> 00:25:38,607
Speaker 3: I hate that too.

561
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Speaker 2: I think that's truth in that.

562
00:25:39,767 --> 00:25:42,127
Speaker 3: But I think just the way that I'm watching this

563
00:25:42,407 --> 00:25:45,847
Speaker 3: campaign go, there's a viral moment that happened between Harris

564
00:25:45,887 --> 00:25:49,287
Speaker 3: and Drew Barrymore on her show where she said.

565
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Speaker 1: I've been thinking that we really all need a tremendous

566
00:25:52,127 --> 00:25:55,447
Speaker 1: hug in the world right now, but in our country,

567
00:25:56,647 --> 00:26:00,327
Speaker 1: we need you to be Mamola of the country. Oh.

568
00:26:00,367 --> 00:26:03,367
Speaker 1: I hated that so much, and I think Karmala hated

569
00:26:03,367 --> 00:26:07,567
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, well, Drew's leaning forward and going I

570
00:26:07,607 --> 00:26:09,207
Speaker 1: think we all need a Marmala.

571
00:26:09,447 --> 00:26:15,327
Speaker 2: Prosecutor with an incredible record, like stop have to threat.

572
00:26:16,087 --> 00:26:19,767
Speaker 3: Yes, the using of the first name it makes someone

573
00:26:19,887 --> 00:26:22,847
Speaker 3: I was thinking about. It's tailor, not swift, it's Harry

574
00:26:22,887 --> 00:26:26,967
Speaker 3: not styles like youth culture is all about using the

575
00:26:27,047 --> 00:26:30,367
Speaker 3: first name. It's less form, it's more intimate, it's more intimate,

576
00:26:30,407 --> 00:26:33,287
Speaker 3: it's more personable, and it's more equal. More than anything,

577
00:26:33,287 --> 00:26:36,247
Speaker 3: it's just like we're on the same level. So it's

578
00:26:36,487 --> 00:26:38,967
Speaker 3: hard to kind of untangle what is gendered, which is

579
00:26:39,087 --> 00:26:41,527
Speaker 3: inevitably it is. It was Hillary, it was Julia, but

580
00:26:41,607 --> 00:26:42,087
Speaker 3: also it.

581
00:26:42,047 --> 00:26:44,607
Speaker 2: Was Kevin O seven and it was let's go Joe,

582
00:26:44,887 --> 00:26:47,687
Speaker 2: Like I know that sometime it's handy to have a

583
00:26:47,727 --> 00:26:48,647
Speaker 2: hologan with a first.

584
00:26:48,527 --> 00:26:51,647
Speaker 1: Thing that's different about what a campaign slogan is and

585
00:26:51,687 --> 00:26:54,407
Speaker 1: the way people refer to them, Like we'll talk about

586
00:26:54,447 --> 00:26:59,287
Speaker 1: Angla Merkle, we won't talk about Merkle, but we'll talk

587
00:26:59,287 --> 00:27:02,607
Speaker 1: about Putin and you're right, we'll talk about Hillary, we'll

588
00:27:02,607 --> 00:27:05,967
Speaker 1: talk about Julia, the way we talk about people in conversations.

589
00:27:05,967 --> 00:27:07,967
Speaker 1: So I think when people go Kevin O seven, that

590
00:27:08,047 --> 00:27:11,567
Speaker 1: was a great great Line or Joe, like they're deliberately

591
00:27:11,607 --> 00:27:14,247
Speaker 1: trying to do the thing that we're talking about, which

592
00:27:14,287 --> 00:27:18,967
Speaker 1: is to make them feel more equal, less imposing, more

593
00:27:18,967 --> 00:27:21,727
Speaker 1: author less authoritative exactly.

594
00:27:21,767 --> 00:27:24,207
Speaker 2: I get that, But in Australia we literally call our

595
00:27:24,207 --> 00:27:25,447
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Albo.

596
00:27:25,647 --> 00:27:28,167
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we don't call him ant. We don't call

597
00:27:28,247 --> 00:27:30,207
Speaker 1: him ant like.

598
00:27:30,127 --> 00:27:32,767
Speaker 2: It's a silly non it's not a respectful thing like

599
00:27:32,807 --> 00:27:34,647
Speaker 2: it's not. We don't call him Alban easy. You know,

600
00:27:34,727 --> 00:27:35,327
Speaker 2: I disagree.

601
00:27:35,367 --> 00:27:37,847
Speaker 1: I think in Australia that's the biggest compliment you can

602
00:27:37,887 --> 00:27:39,567
Speaker 1: give someone implement.

603
00:27:39,647 --> 00:27:42,207
Speaker 2: But if we're saying that we give men formal names

604
00:27:42,247 --> 00:27:44,447
Speaker 2: and we give women informal names, that's not.

605
00:27:44,447 --> 00:27:47,367
Speaker 1: Always Know, there's something about calling someone by their first

606
00:27:47,487 --> 00:27:52,207
Speaker 1: name though, that can be a real I think.

607
00:27:53,727 --> 00:27:55,687
Speaker 3: Which is I think what the out louders were trying.

608
00:27:55,887 --> 00:27:59,327
Speaker 2: I'm going to call a Harris Heaps because I really

609
00:27:59,447 --> 00:28:02,047
Speaker 2: I mean not all the time, Like like anything, you're

610
00:28:02,087 --> 00:28:04,367
Speaker 2: going to switch your context depending on how you're talking.

611
00:28:04,407 --> 00:28:07,487
Speaker 2: But I think that we really run a risk when

612
00:28:07,487 --> 00:28:09,687
Speaker 2: we talk about powerful women if we're all trying to

613
00:28:09,687 --> 00:28:12,687
Speaker 2: make them seem less powerful. And she is not the

614
00:28:12,807 --> 00:28:16,687
Speaker 2: mom candidate, she is an incredible, Like I have watched

615
00:28:16,687 --> 00:28:19,687
Speaker 2: on repeat, apart from the tiktoks, which have been fun,

616
00:28:19,807 --> 00:28:21,927
Speaker 2: and I love trying to understand what all that's about.

617
00:28:21,927 --> 00:28:24,007
Speaker 2: And then I remember that this isn't for me. I

618
00:28:24,047 --> 00:28:26,607
Speaker 2: don't have to. It's like, just let the young people

619
00:28:26,687 --> 00:28:30,007
Speaker 2: do their really good campaigning. That's great. But is the

620
00:28:30,047 --> 00:28:33,287
Speaker 2: bit where she's in the Kaverna hearing she and there's

621
00:28:33,327 --> 00:28:34,807
Speaker 2: a clip that you will have seen if you're on

622
00:28:34,807 --> 00:28:37,687
Speaker 2: social media at all lately, where she says just very

623
00:28:37,687 --> 00:28:42,407
Speaker 2: plainly and she's talking about obviously reproductive rights in America,

624
00:28:42,447 --> 00:28:46,207
Speaker 2: and she says, can you think of any laws that

625
00:28:46,327 --> 00:28:48,687
Speaker 2: interfere with what men do with their bodies?

626
00:28:48,927 --> 00:28:51,287
Speaker 7: Can you think of any laws that give government the

627
00:28:51,367 --> 00:28:55,087
Speaker 7: power to make decisions about the male body? I'm happy

628
00:28:55,127 --> 00:28:59,527
Speaker 7: to answer more specific question male versus female.

629
00:28:59,807 --> 00:29:00,367
Speaker 4: There are.

630
00:29:01,967 --> 00:29:06,047
Speaker 7: Medical procedures them that the government has the power to

631
00:29:06,087 --> 00:29:07,807
Speaker 7: make a decision about a man's.

632
00:29:07,567 --> 00:29:10,247
Speaker 2: Body, and I thought you were asking about procedures that

633
00:29:10,287 --> 00:29:11,127
Speaker 2: are unique to man.

634
00:29:11,327 --> 00:29:13,927
Speaker 7: I'll repeat the question, can you think of any lines

635
00:29:14,487 --> 00:29:18,327
Speaker 7: they give the government the power to make decisions about

636
00:29:18,367 --> 00:29:19,327
Speaker 7: the male body?

637
00:29:19,847 --> 00:29:21,967
Speaker 5: I'm not a thinking of any right now.

638
00:29:22,127 --> 00:29:25,687
Speaker 2: Center and she just pushes that point in the most calm,

639
00:29:26,207 --> 00:29:30,607
Speaker 2: strong way, and he is completely speechless. That is the

640
00:29:30,647 --> 00:29:32,887
Speaker 2: woman that I want to vote for, which is why

641
00:29:32,887 --> 00:29:34,687
Speaker 2: it's really smart. I mean, not that I'm voting. I'm

642
00:29:34,727 --> 00:29:37,727
Speaker 2: just I'm saying if I was buying into this, which

643
00:29:37,727 --> 00:29:39,887
Speaker 2: is why this is all really smart. The green and

644
00:29:39,927 --> 00:29:43,887
Speaker 2: the brat and the dancing. But Kamala or Harris needs

645
00:29:43,887 --> 00:29:46,287
Speaker 2: to kind of distance herself from that because she needs

646
00:29:46,287 --> 00:29:50,007
Speaker 2: to be seen as a serious, hardcore person because she is.

647
00:29:50,167 --> 00:29:52,687
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that what's refreshing about her

648
00:29:52,727 --> 00:29:55,967
Speaker 1: as a candidate and why I think the race has

649
00:29:56,007 --> 00:29:59,767
Speaker 1: suddenly become a race is what Trump's done for a

650
00:29:59,807 --> 00:30:03,727
Speaker 1: lot of Americans. Has made politics fun. It's not our

651
00:30:03,807 --> 00:30:06,287
Speaker 1: kind of fun, in that he's horrible and he gets

652
00:30:06,367 --> 00:30:09,167
Speaker 1: up and he abuses people and is racist and sex

653
00:30:10,407 --> 00:30:12,087
Speaker 1: appalling and mean.

654
00:30:12,687 --> 00:30:14,207
Speaker 3: But he's made it a TV show.

655
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Speaker 1: You know, when there were interviews after the assassination attempt

656
00:30:17,047 --> 00:30:20,567
Speaker 1: rally where the wife of the man that was killed said,

657
00:30:20,927 --> 00:30:23,247
Speaker 1: it was just such a fun day. We were there

658
00:30:23,287 --> 00:30:25,847
Speaker 1: with our two daughters. We were having such a fun day.

659
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Speaker 1: Now that sounds like a weird thing to say, given

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Speaker 1: that he gets up and he talks about immigrants, you know,

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Speaker 1: raping people and stealing your jobs. But he has made

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Speaker 1: it fun and you've got your red hats. What the

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Speaker 1: Democrats haven't had and what they didn't have with Hillary

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Speaker 1: and what they didn't have with Biden in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: and now they've got with Kamala is fun.

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Speaker 2: I agree, but there is a fine line between, which

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Speaker 2: is why I loved that line too that Jesse brought

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Speaker 2: up about the experts saying, don't lean into this too hard.

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Speaker 2: Kama is. Let them have fun with her. Yeah, let

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Speaker 2: the people who understand that do that. But I don't

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Speaker 2: think you necessarily want Kamala to be doing the Charlie

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Speaker 2: XCX Apple downs. It's a bit like what we talked

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Speaker 2: about last week when we were talking about the t

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Speaker 2: talk dances and when we I mean, obviously we're not

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Speaker 2: presidential candidates, but when we decide, like do we lean

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Speaker 2: into that trend or don't we? And I was saying

677
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Speaker 2: it's funny because are you a serious person? Are you not?

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Speaker 2: I think that probably the absolute sweet spot for somebody

679
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Speaker 2: with such a high stakes position as this is to

680
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Speaker 2: absolutely lean into like amplifying that with portions of your

681
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Speaker 2: campaign and letting people have that fun. But I don't

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Speaker 2: know that you want to be seen to be trying.

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Speaker 3: To It's got to be both right and as usual.

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Speaker 1: It's a very very hard needle for a woman to thread,

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Speaker 1: and Hillary could never thread it. But I mean, you

686
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Speaker 1: can't say that Donald Trump is a serious person. But yeah,

687
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Speaker 1: the expectations of Kumala. That's why it's going to be

688
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Speaker 1: so interesting to see how these next few months play out.

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Speaker 3: I have a quick theory. I was in my car

690
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Speaker 3: this morning and I was like, you know how Joe

691
00:31:54,167 --> 00:31:59,127
Speaker 3: Biden he stepped down and the timing and everything has

692
00:31:59,207 --> 00:32:02,207
Speaker 3: worked out bizarrely well. And it's worked out bizarrely well

693
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Speaker 3: because he let Trump choose his nominee in JD. Vance

694
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Speaker 3: before he said it was good to be Kumala. And

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a stroke of genius. If I

696
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Speaker 3: was writing a television show of the behind the scenes

697
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Speaker 3: and I was Biden, I would have chosen that I

698
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Speaker 3: was gonna go with Harris and I was gonna step down.

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Speaker 3: I would let Trump do what Trump did, because I

700
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Speaker 3: think Trump would have chosen a completely different vice president

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Speaker 3: if he.

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Speaker 1: Knew everyone said that Vance is the choice. If you

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna win. He thought he was going to

704
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Speaker 1: peep against.

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Speaker 3: Against an old man, so he went, I'm going to

706
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Speaker 3: go young. Well, now you're the old man Trump. So

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Speaker 3: I think that that ended up being a stroke of

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Speaker 3: absolute genius to let that come in first.

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Speaker 2: I've already started sounding this alarm, my Monkenitian alarm, in

710
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Speaker 2: every meeting we're in. It's the hope that kills you. Friends,

711
00:32:49,927 --> 00:32:52,207
Speaker 2: don't get too carried away. Everywhere I look at the

712
00:32:52,207 --> 00:32:54,887
Speaker 2: minute on social it's like we're gonna smash them. This

713
00:32:54,927 --> 00:32:59,687
Speaker 2: is gonna be a walk over. Let's just let it

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Speaker 2: play out.

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Speaker 1: Remember the pant suits we wore to work in. Remember well,

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Speaker 1: jd Vance is already called Kamala, a childless cat lady.

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Speaker 7: I love gen Z your girl, and I'm out here

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Speaker 7: in these streets.

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Speaker 6: Do you think you just fell out of a coconut tree?

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Speaker 6: I can imagine what can be.

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Speaker 3: What Unlimited out Loud access. We drop episodes every Tuesday

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Speaker 2: Katie Larson is a primary school teacher. She's American. That's

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Speaker 2: not really relevant because a lot of Australian teachers who

728
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Speaker 2: could very much relate. Katie needs to tell you about

729
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Speaker 2: an email she got from a parent last week.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday, a parent asked me for a class list so

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Speaker 5: they can invade all the kids to the birthday party.

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Speaker 5: And I'm invaded to the birthday party too, very nice, said,

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Speaker 5: no problem. Today the stack of inputations came and I

734
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Speaker 5: was like, I guess I'll just put these in the mailboxes. Leader,

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Speaker 5: no problem. We're outside all day. The last twenty minutes

736
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Speaker 5: of the day, I was going to do it. I

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Speaker 5: was gonna stuff the invitations and the envelopes, stuff them

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Speaker 5: because they weren't stuffed, and then put them in the

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Speaker 5: mail axes. I open them up only the first invitation

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Speaker 5: was written in none of the rest. And that parent

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Speaker 5: messaged me during the day with the information, and I

742
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Speaker 5: thought that was for me because I was invraided. No,

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Speaker 5: I was expected to read all the invitations. I responded,

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Speaker 5: I can't read all these invitations out and they sent

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Speaker 5: them home with the class list. Nope, not what I

746
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Speaker 5: can do.

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Speaker 2: Okatie, so much to unpack here?

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Speaker 1: Why aren't they using paperless posts? That's my first question,

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Speaker 1: or candor or something.

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Speaker 2: Like what you're talking about or texts? Do you actually

751
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Speaker 2: do handwritten? Of course? What like? Of course we do,

752
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Speaker 2: like you put an invitation in the kids' school bag.

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Speaker 2: I don't have all the email addresses, and you'll get

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Speaker 2: a class list with all the emails and stuff'dress some

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Speaker 2: places don't the private of course I don't like. I'm

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Speaker 2: just not that organized and I wouldn't know. We literally

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Speaker 2: just write out six invitations, put them in billy's bags,

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Speaker 2: say give them to your friends, like like on pieces

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Speaker 2: of like I'm posted on right, So.

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Speaker 3: You buy them in a shop and invited.

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Speaker 2: Not everybody lives in your world? Do you fax them

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Speaker 2: to the people?

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Speaker 3: Then you could get the fairness?

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Speaker 2: To me? How you think that that is so old fashioned?

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Speaker 2: I never even occurred to me to do it any

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Speaker 2: other way, never even occurred to me anyway. So much

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Speaker 2: to impact here about Katie, including that if I was

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Speaker 2: inviting you to a thing, then I would in mate.

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Speaker 2: But I don't have everybody's phone. I want everybody's phone.

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Speaker 1: So everyone has been sending kids party invitations to my

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Speaker 1: kids that way for maybe fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: That's so weird. I've never even got one. Maybe different,

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Speaker 2: I've dis missed them.

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Speaker 3: Different They've probably gone to your spam folder.

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Speaker 2: That's why I thought Billy didn't get invited twenty party.

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Speaker 3: He's just on the internet.

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Speaker 2: Am I the asshole? An asshold? And no one's an

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Speaker 2: asshole here? But it's like, are you living in normal world?

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Speaker 2: Or am I living in normal world? That's enough topics

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Speaker 2: we have anyway, Because in case you thought this was

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Speaker 2: an entirely American story about things that were expected of

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Speaker 2: this teacher, a quick survey of both the Internet and

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Speaker 2: out louders for some more that's not in my job description.

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Speaker 2: Things that teachers got. Let me just give you a

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Speaker 2: couple of them. An Australian teacher says, I once got

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Speaker 2: an email to ask to check a lady's son's desk

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Speaker 2: because it was reported to her that there was a

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Speaker 2: very dangerous spider inside. I was asked to empty, clean,

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Speaker 2: photograph the desk back to the mother. Oh god, I.

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Speaker 3: Know, I imagine that child had his phone on it.

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Speaker 2: I must have done. Here's another great one. This is

792
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Speaker 2: a note that came in the kid's school bag to class.

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Speaker 2: My son swallowed a watch battery at home. Please use

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Speaker 2: this fork and clothespin to inspect his poop until we

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Speaker 2: find the battery. Stop it. Others asked teachers to clean

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Speaker 2: their child's nose on picture day, to track a student's

797
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Speaker 2: menstrual period and mood changes, and to squeeze a student's

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Speaker 2: head during test taking to relieve anxiety. Oh, somebody else said,

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Speaker 2: since my child sees a speech pathologist for the half

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Speaker 2: hour after lunch, I had appreciated if you didn't teach

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Speaker 2: anything new and in commas until he returns to the classroom.

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00:37:14,927 --> 00:37:17,607
Speaker 2: And there was a parent who requested that their son

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Speaker 2: be given credit for an essay in spite of not

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Speaker 2: turning one in because in quotes, he wrote it in

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Speaker 2: his head. You know a lot of teachers. Does the

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Speaker 2: birthday invitation story surprise you?

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Speaker 3: Not at all. There are from my parents, to my brothers,

808
00:37:35,767 --> 00:37:38,887
Speaker 3: to most of my aunties and uncles, all teachers I

809
00:37:38,967 --> 00:37:41,847
Speaker 3: had out louders message me and say that one kid

810
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Speaker 3: had a bit of a digestive issue. And the mother said,

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Speaker 3: I need you to go and look in the toilet

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Speaker 3: after he finishes his business, and then rated on the

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Speaker 3: bristol stool.

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Speaker 2: Chat. Is that people joke?

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Speaker 3: Is this a joke? No, this is absolutely true. There

816
00:37:56,607 --> 00:38:00,727
Speaker 3: was another high school student who the daughter needed assistance

817
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Speaker 3: changing her pads, and look in that kind of instance,

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Speaker 3: you go, that's a child who needs assistance, right, So

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Speaker 3: that's actually I.

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Speaker 2: Think child needs assistance. Yes, I need assistance.

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Speaker 3: But that's about resourcing. That's about exactly, that's about a

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Speaker 3: school and resourcing. I think a few things are going on.

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Speaker 3: There is a lack of understanding about what teachers do

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Speaker 3: day to day and what their job is. And it's

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Speaker 3: not to say I've heard stories about kindergarten kids coming

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Speaker 3: in who aren't toilet trained and suggesting that that's something

827
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Speaker 3: that I said, toilet trained like a dog. But you

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Speaker 3: know by Chraine that that's something that they should do.

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Speaker 3: And I wonder if it's to do with the privatization

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Speaker 3: of our world and that we expect everywhere to be like, well,

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Speaker 3: A'll take my business elsewhere if you don't give me

832
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Speaker 3: exactly what I want, like we treat each other like employees. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And I think it's also.

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Speaker 1: A teacher is not your staff member or your EA.

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Speaker 3: Who then you can just go, hey, what I need

836
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Speaker 3: from you? As invitations. I need blah and I need blah.

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Speaker 3: And the second thing I think is going on to

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Speaker 3: give a bit of credit or empathy perhaps to parents,

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Speaker 3: is that I think parents are so busy. They are

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Speaker 3: so busy to me, if a child is turning up

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Speaker 3: to kindergarten and you haven't had an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Parents more busy than they used to be.

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00:39:17,127 --> 00:39:20,207
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you've got two full time working parents, You've

844
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Speaker 3: got minimal support, you've got really demanding jobs. I don't

845
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Speaker 3: think that they have scope to do everything that they

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00:39:27,567 --> 00:39:29,647
Speaker 3: want to do for their child, and then they're projecting

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00:39:29,687 --> 00:39:32,167
Speaker 3: that onto a teacher like that seems to me.

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Speaker 2: And also, as you often talk about me, expectations of

849
00:39:35,167 --> 00:39:38,087
Speaker 2: what makes a good parent have shifted too. So you've

850
00:39:38,127 --> 00:39:40,327
Speaker 2: got both parents who are working, often maybe working more

851
00:39:40,367 --> 00:39:42,847
Speaker 2: than one job, maybe working shift work, maybe work. You know,

852
00:39:42,967 --> 00:39:46,167
Speaker 2: they're grappling for childcare. And then there's also the sort

853
00:39:46,167 --> 00:39:48,767
Speaker 2: of societal demands of like and your kid will be

854
00:39:48,767 --> 00:39:51,127
Speaker 2: doing all these extra activities and this will happen, that happen.

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00:39:51,407 --> 00:39:53,527
Speaker 2: There are some kids who really do need more support.

856
00:39:53,647 --> 00:39:55,727
Speaker 2: Some of these requests will be because of that, and

857
00:39:55,847 --> 00:39:58,887
Speaker 2: parents maybe just don't know where to turn or how

858
00:39:58,967 --> 00:40:02,007
Speaker 2: to ask it. But the things like the birthday party

859
00:40:02,047 --> 00:40:06,927
Speaker 2: invitation admin that is admir and it's also expecting because

860
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Speaker 2: if you kind of go a bit bigger picture on

861
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Speaker 2: that that your kid's teacher is responsible for managing their

862
00:40:13,447 --> 00:40:16,927
Speaker 2: personal life, if you like, and their social life, because

863
00:40:17,047 --> 00:40:19,087
Speaker 2: a lot of parents will tell you that one of

864
00:40:19,087 --> 00:40:21,407
Speaker 2: the really stressful things about primary school is that whole

865
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Speaker 2: dilemma about do you invite the whole class do you

866
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Speaker 2: invite a few kids, and that you might want to

867
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Speaker 2: enlist the teacher somehow in managing that.

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Speaker 1: You've just reminded me part of the reason and part

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Speaker 1: of the move towards digital invitations has been so that

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Speaker 1: for that reason, because handing them out on the day

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Speaker 1: and who's got one and then they're walking around in

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Speaker 1: the playground, you're contributing to children feeling very distressed.

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Speaker 2: I am. I totally understand where it comes from, that

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Speaker 2: desire for not but I also I kind of think

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Speaker 2: there is an element of you just do have to

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Speaker 2: understand that you're not going to get invited.

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Speaker 3: To everything if you don't have time to fill out

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00:41:00,167 --> 00:41:03,287
Speaker 3: the invitations. I think you don't have time to have

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00:41:03,327 --> 00:41:05,847
Speaker 3: a party, which is so fine. They don't need a

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00:41:05,847 --> 00:41:09,127
Speaker 3: party every year. But like as you say, it's this

881
00:41:09,607 --> 00:41:12,927
Speaker 3: pressure to have the birthday party thing has become completely

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00:41:13,047 --> 00:41:16,127
Speaker 3: out of control. I just think it's like that's also

883
00:41:16,167 --> 00:41:18,047
Speaker 3: a lesson you learn as a kid too, is like

884
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Speaker 3: this year, mommy and daddy don't have time to celebrate you.

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00:41:22,327 --> 00:41:26,407
Speaker 3: I remember that being a thing twenty first of December.

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00:41:26,527 --> 00:41:29,047
Speaker 3: Often it was like you can two friends over and

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00:41:29,087 --> 00:41:30,647
Speaker 3: we won't cater or.

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Speaker 1: Just wait till Christmas.

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00:41:32,647 --> 00:41:34,647
Speaker 3: It's sad, it will come nothing. We're going to the

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00:41:34,647 --> 00:41:37,287
Speaker 3: beach as a family. What that's not a birthday party?

891
00:41:37,327 --> 00:41:39,807
Speaker 3: Like often you don't have a birthday party, and it

892
00:41:39,927 --> 00:41:42,567
Speaker 3: gives you a sense of you're not the most important person.

893
00:41:42,887 --> 00:41:44,607
Speaker 1: For what you did for Luna's first birthday.

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00:41:44,767 --> 00:41:47,127
Speaker 3: What did I do for Luna's first birthday? I didn't

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00:41:47,167 --> 00:41:49,687
Speaker 3: do anything because she has to learn and you don't

896
00:41:49,687 --> 00:41:53,167
Speaker 3: want to establish at one that I'm gonna have friends

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00:41:53,167 --> 00:41:53,607
Speaker 3: and a cake.

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00:41:53,847 --> 00:41:56,167
Speaker 2: Well that's whole the whole other story, isn't it is

899
00:41:56,167 --> 00:41:58,327
Speaker 2: what parties have become, because like hot dogs and a

900
00:41:58,367 --> 00:42:00,087
Speaker 2: cake is one thing, right, and that's what my birthday

901
00:42:00,087 --> 00:42:01,447
Speaker 2: parties were as a kid. I don't want to sound

902
00:42:01,487 --> 00:42:04,127
Speaker 2: like oh off, But it was like if even if

903
00:42:04,127 --> 00:42:06,487
Speaker 2: you had friends over, it was hot dogs and a cake,

904
00:42:06,647 --> 00:42:07,847
Speaker 2: whereas you got hot dogs.

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00:42:07,847 --> 00:42:10,727
Speaker 1: My mum put bloody bean sprouts in the sandwiches.

906
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Speaker 3: I was sold.

907
00:42:11,887 --> 00:42:13,127
Speaker 2: Yeah it was seventeen.

908
00:42:13,247 --> 00:42:14,407
Speaker 3: Did you do Lolli bags?

909
00:42:14,527 --> 00:42:16,647
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did Lolli bags, But the sandwiches she put

910
00:42:16,687 --> 00:42:18,927
Speaker 1: like with peanut butter with bean sprouts, and I was like,

911
00:42:19,007 --> 00:42:20,007
Speaker 1: I was so ashamed.

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Speaker 2: But Instagram has done a lot of terrible things to

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Speaker 2: birthday parties. And sometimes you see that everybody else is

914
00:42:26,487 --> 00:42:29,767
Speaker 2: having maybe catering and a professional cake, and everybody's going

915
00:42:29,767 --> 00:42:31,607
Speaker 2: to this amazing performance, and then we're doing this, and

916
00:42:31,607 --> 00:42:34,167
Speaker 2: then we're doing that, and everybody gets in that arms race.

917
00:42:34,687 --> 00:42:36,487
Speaker 2: But I have to show you that I love you too,

918
00:42:36,567 --> 00:42:38,367
Speaker 2: and it has to look great and all those things.

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00:42:38,567 --> 00:42:41,127
Speaker 2: So I very much respect your rejection of that for

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00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:43,367
Speaker 2: the first person, and Jesse I very much respected.

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Speaker 1: I think says happy Birthday like vogel.

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Speaker 3: Bread out louders before we go. We've been talking a

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Speaker 3: lot about color analysis our new wardrobes. Mayna, this is

924
00:42:55,007 --> 00:42:56,047
Speaker 3: very what you're wearing today.

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00:42:56,247 --> 00:42:57,287
Speaker 2: It's not my colors.

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Speaker 1: So today I'm you know, I've broken it, and you

927
00:43:00,407 --> 00:43:04,447
Speaker 1: know what, I don't look as good a lot, but

928
00:43:04,527 --> 00:43:06,447
Speaker 1: it doesn't do anything for my face.

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Speaker 3: I had a male friend that I was talking to

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00:43:08,647 --> 00:43:11,207
Speaker 3: over the weekend who desperately asked me, I need you

931
00:43:11,287 --> 00:43:13,287
Speaker 3: to explain color analysis and what I should wear, and

932
00:43:13,367 --> 00:43:15,567
Speaker 3: I could tell in an instant I dreamt about color

933
00:43:15,567 --> 00:43:17,967
Speaker 3: analysis last night. I have lost to the plot. But

934
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Speaker 3: if you want to know more about color analysis, then

935
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Speaker 3: we did a special bonus episode all about it that

936
00:43:23,247 --> 00:43:25,487
Speaker 3: will explain all the rules. We will link to it

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00:43:25,567 --> 00:43:26,927
Speaker 3: in the show notes in case you missed it.

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Speaker 2: I want to just thank all of you out loud

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Speaker 2: as we've been looking at the places that you've been

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Speaker 2: listening to us Later and Hearctica. Big hello to the

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Speaker 2: out louder who's in Antarctica. A research center and Antarctica

942
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Speaker 2: lots of tract there's lots of cows, a few doctors,

943
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Speaker 2: waiting rooms, lots of cleaning. Wherever you're listening to us.

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Speaker 1: Host louders Australia with like a van ful of parcels

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Speaker 1: that they're delivering.

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Speaker 2: Night truck drivers we had quite a few of those.

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Speaker 2: Big thank you out Louders. Wherever you're listening. We really

948
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Speaker 2: really appreciate it made our week and thank you to

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Speaker 2: our fabulous team who help us put the show together.

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Speaker 2: And we will be back in your ears tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to.

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Speaker 3: Any Mum and Mea subscribers listening. If you love the

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Speaker 3: show and want to support us as well, subscribing to

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Speaker 3: Mam and Maya is the very best way to do so.

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