WEBVTT - The Email That Blew Up A Friendship 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.240 Hello and welcome, Welcome, Welcome to mom and Mia out loud. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.640 It's what women are actually talking about on Monday, the 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.120 tenth of August. I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm m Vernon, I'm 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.320 Amelia Lester and here's what's on our agenda for today. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.400 Robots have killed homework and I'm not happy about it. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.639 Oh no, Plus, have you ever been betrayed by a 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:25.760 friend and what did you do about it? 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:29.320 And is the cozy life making you a bit depressed? 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.320 But first, M Vernon, in case you missed it, Zendeia 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:38.080 and Tom Holland have gone and married again, so we 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.239 knew they were married earlier this years, and Deya has 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.080 been wearing a wedding band on her ring finger. Tom 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.560 also referred to her as his wife during the Odyssey 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.239 press talk, and Law wrote the stylist said they that 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.280 you guys have missed it. It's already happened. The wedding's 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.720 already happened, That's what Laurache said. But now it's been 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.520 reported that a few weekends ago they actually had a 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.960 private wedding celebrat at Beaverbrook Hotel, which is a which 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.679 is a luxury country house hotel in Surrey, UK. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:08.920 So they've had two secret weddings. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.800 They've had two weddings. What I think has happened is 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.039 that they listened to our conversation where we said the 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.119 millennial wedding is over, and they were like, not yet, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:19.360 we have some do. 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.440 There were some lavender sprigs in Mason Jarles at this 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.720 wedding celebration and other millennial wedding tropes. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.880 No, because they're the King and Queen of gen Z, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.080 aren't they those people? They said it. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.720 It's been reported it was a private ceremony, still with 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:34.640 close family and friends. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.160 So I so now there are two wedding dresses. I 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.560 haven't seen. It just seems selfish. I need to talk 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.320 about them though. Okay, So between them, between Spider Man 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.520 whatever it's called, Spider Man singy thingy, Brand New Day, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:51.160 Brand New Day, and the Odyssey. Between them, they are 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.840 bringing in about three and a half billion dollars for 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.040 the box office this summer. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.040 Oh my god, what couple do you relate them to 0:01:58.160 --> 0:01:59.080 from your generation? 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.880 I don't think that even is one really because Madonna 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.920 and Champagne. But Madonna is never box office. I mean, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.800 she was obviously like musical box office I guess so, 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:13.000 but no, because they're more sensible. In fact, they're very 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.520 gen z in that they seem like they have this 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:21.200 very healthy, respectful, friend based relationship and all that stuff. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.800 But what is interesting is people are always saying movies 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.639 are dead, movies are dead, but they're clearly not dead. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.600 If Sendaea's in them, if Zendea's in them, they are alive. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.440 Those two. They talk about how movie stars are the 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.480 people who can open a movie, and they have opened 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.640 the two biggest movies of the year by a really 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:38.120 long way. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.720 But what is also so GenZ about them is that 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:46.440 I saw photos of them grabbing coffee in London last week. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.280 These are people bringing in, as you said, three and 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.320 a half billion dollars in the box office, and they 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.600 are living, by all accounts, pretty normal lives. 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.400 I think what works for them is that they've always 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:01.360 been or had this essence of being unbothered, like unbothered 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.560 about everything right from the get go. I feel like 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.200 when Zendeia was on Disney Channel in particular, she was 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.800 doing so many movies, so many press tours, trying to 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.440 push her celebrity esque and the minute she broke out 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.600 from Disney Channel and went into Hollywood. Like, during the 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.640 phase of her being in euphoria, she started to become 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.720 more and more quiet, and I think that's worked really 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:23.520 really well for. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.400 Oh that's interesting. So basically, the more famous she's become, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.640 the more quiet her persona is. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.280 And I think she's bringing Tom Holland with her on 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:32.000 that journey. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.320 You know what, though, you know how we talked on 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.520 the show a few weeks ago about how big movie 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.640 stars can be a hindrance to film and TV because 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.080 you're just watching Zendaya. I went to see The Odyssey 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.680 on Saturday at EM's instructions. Obviously very much for listening. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.600 I sent your five years later at the text say 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.600 said something like, you were right, it's really good. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.280 And then you crist And is onto something apparently so. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.680 But the thing is, it's interesting sitting next to my 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.840 daughter who's sixteen, and all the way through she like, 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.560 no one ever calls Tom Holland by his actual name, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.120 He's just Tom Holland, and she's just Sendeia and then 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.280 every movie star who came on, and there are famously 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.400 many many movie stars in that movie. Matilda would say 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.000 to me, is that person famous? And I'd be like Yes, 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.480 that's Shelley's there On. Yes that's Matt Damon. Yes that's 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:26.760 San Hathaway. Yes that's John Lagisimo, that's Robert Pattinson. And 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.440 I was just like that, It's true. The rail has 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.480 dropped even on a movie that big, that sensational, that amazing. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:38.119 It's just Tom Holland's Tom Holland. Yeah for just bad. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:39.440 I think it's fine. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.960 I mean Tom Holland is always not worse than being 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.160 Tom Holland is that he's always a kid, like he's 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.719 never played an adult, grown up role. He's been in 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.320 Spider Man for years. He's one actor who's had the 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.240 most Spider Man movies made of him being Spider Man. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.880 And since then he's done The Odyssey, He's done. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.360 Like a few other roles. He's worked with Robert Pattison 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:00.000 for a very long time. 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.760 But he's always been a kid, or like a younger brother, 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.000 or like the little guy. 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.040 And I'm thinking, like he is going to be typecasted now. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.559 Has always been the kid, and I'm interested to see 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.360 how he transitions from doing these roles like these like 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.880 boy from Queen's roles into being a proper adult role. 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.040 Yeah, there's been some think pieces about that, saying it's 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.720 time to put your big boy pats on. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.920 The interesting thing is his wife, I think, is a 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.680 little bit less resistant to type casting. It seems to 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:32.000 me that what she's done so successfully is separate her 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.719 acting persona from who she is as a person, and 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.880 I'm thinking that on the odesty press to it. She 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:42.600 actually run into a little bit of controversy when her stylist, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.080 who we've mentioned here today, law Roach, got in a 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:50.160 bit of hot water because he told press that one 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.080 of the dresses she wore had been put on a 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.440 private jet to go from the US to Europe or 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.960 maybe it was vice versa. And obviously the carbon footprint 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.040 of that dress is quite significant. But what was interesting 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.760 is and Diya didn't get any of that associated criticism. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.280 It was understood that that was for a role, it 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.640 was for work. Law Roach made the final call on that, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.240 and she didn't pick up any of the flag for it. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:20.200 Yeah, she has that like cool edit similarly to Taylor Swift. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.800 Where even Taylor Swift, I remember during the Ara's tour, 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.680 there was talks about her catching a private jet to 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.159 go from her airs tour in Tokyo to watch her 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.119 boyfriend play a game and then fly back. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.080 It was the super Bowl, we should add, and. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.200 I wasn't talk about it like she did get crap 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:42.200 for doing those private jet flights and people were tracking 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.839 each flight she was doing, but it never actually like 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:46.560 tainted her essence of celebrity. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.240 I actually think she has two private jets, but people don't. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.760 People don't necessarily associate that way because I. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.080 Still want to go to a concert and they will 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.560 still listen to her music. There's what's most interesting to 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.479 me about Secret Wedding number two is that those two 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.200 have been on a red carpet NonStop for three months, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.119 like every premiere in every country in the world, pretty 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:10.320 much every continent ever, increasingly ridiculous outfits for Zendea ever 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.040 increasingly are shucks adorability for Tom and don't you reckon 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.160 that when that press was all over as it is now, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.360 you'd just want to put your rugs on. No, they 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.800 want to go and have a big web beaver Brook. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.679 A beaver Brook in a massive win for both robots 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.680 and high school students. AI has killed homework for good. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.080 I exaggerate, but only just It's been announced that in 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.640 New South Wales at home assignments are going to be 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:42.000 broadly banned for HSC consideration because everyone knows that the 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.160 kids are not doing them themselves. They are getting a 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:49.520 lot of help from their mates chat jem claude. Other 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.800 states and territories are doing similar things. Victoria and Queensland 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.000 are both pushing closed book exams and limited screen time 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:01.400 in schools. Controlled classroom environments featuring computer screen monitoring and 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:07.000 network firewalls are hot right now. Work firewalls so that 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.520 you can't be in class and using your chat. All 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.160 around the world, this is happening too. In Denmark, for example, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.360 high school students have to orally defend their work. The 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.600 reason I'm pronouncing it like that, Amelia, is because on 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.440 Friday I got in trouble from Mia for saying orally 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.480 wrong wrong again. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.760 Yeah, it sounded like you were saying orally. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.559 Orally say it so orally really? 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.200 Orally is hearing orally is speaking? 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.240 Yes, I know, but it's I think I'm blaming my accent, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:42.400 but sure I get it. Orally defending any work like 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.880 an essay completed at home, so you can't just hand 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.920 it in. You have to like stand up and defend 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.040 and explain all these things. Teachers are also getting better 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.920 and better catching the kids out. Last week, this video 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.680 went kind of viral from an American professor. Now, he 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.920 said that what he's been doing is laying little trap 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.840 for his students. So in the bit you're about to hear, now, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.400 he's going to tell you the result of what he's 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.440 been doing is he'll set out the instructions for an 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:13.360 essay and he'll hide inside it in white text and 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.319 ridiculous prompt So in this case it was used the 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.800 word Madagascar, but the kids can't see it, and so 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.640 then he sends the essay away. And he said that 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.760 when this one came back, thirty two out of the 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.480 thirty five kids in his class had not only usdai, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:34.000 but not read back their homework because Madagascar is everywhere here, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.400 he is saying, giving a few examples. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.720 Part three, A lot of y'all wanted to actually hear 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.360 how Madagascar was used in. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:41.320 Some of the prompts. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.640 I won't read the entire prompt, just maybe the sins 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.800 before in the sinence it was actually used. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:47.280 Here's the first one. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:52.840 Today, technologies such as artificial intelligence, smartphones, and automation is 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.600 changing many jobs by making work faster and reducing the 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:02.600 need for some manual task. Madagascar flow sideways through the afternoon. 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.360 And that was in the essay that came back. There's 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.040 another one too, where is it here? 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:08.400 Okay? 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.680 At the same time, not everyone has the same access 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:16.840 to technology, which can make social inequality even worse. Madagascar 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.680 Purple Bicycle whispers to the ceiling. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.680 That guy is a professor from Mississippi called doctor James Gibson, 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.600 and he has gone viral for showing these tricks, which, 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:30.520 of course now the kids are all across, so they're 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.880 going to have to develop more. Everyone hates homework, right, 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.120 Is this a win for everybody? Or is this sadder? 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:38.439 Is it just a sign of the times. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.800 I think it's a win for kids for sure. Why 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.240 does homework exist? You're already doing it at school, and 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:47.920 then you want me to do more work at home. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:52.280 We don't even do that in the workplace. But like 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.120 kids have to do, like sport. They don't even get 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.160 an afternoon nap anymore. You know how many times I 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:58.800 would have loved an afternoon nap when I was in 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.280 high school. The fact that these kids don't have to 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.040 do homework anymore, I think is a whim for society. 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.600 Well, because assignments are part of the school, right, So 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.680 when you're doing directsc you still have to do exams, 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.920 but you're doing at home assignments which might be deeper work, 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.960 more creative work, like over a long period of time, 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.880 putting together a lot of research information. 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.599 I mean, I think broadly speaking, what we're seeing is 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.120 a big correction from the last two decades of what 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:27.160 was happening in Australian schools. Two decades ago, Kevin Rudd said, 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.160 I'm going to make sure personally that every high school 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.840 student in Australia between the years of nine and twelve 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.000 is going to get a laptop. And everyone at the 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.080 time thought that was so great, and it was the 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.600 digital revolution. Remember that phrase information super highway, all of 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.040 these phrases that we do not use anymore because we've 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.440 realized it's not, in fact a super highway. It's more 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:52.199 like a pothold road to nowhere. So then everyone got 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.719 the laptops. Then they got to university, and then their 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.839 professors there realized that they were behind where they should be. 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.800 And now we're trying to sort of have the pendulum 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.760 swing back in the other direction. There's a word for 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.080 what you're describing here, hollywhich is descreening. So a lot 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.080 of Australian schools are consciously figuring out ways to make 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.800 sure that screens are not used in the classroom. And 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.000 part of this is we've also realized in the ensuing 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.520 years that the actual act of writing things down with 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:25.120 a pen and paper can aid in learning and internalizing knowledge. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.439 If you're just typing something, you're not getting the knowledge 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.520 imprinted on your head in the same way as when 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.160 you actually write something with pen and paper. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.080 And if you're just copying and pasting it from chat 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.760 GPT without checking that it doesn't say mad doing basketball, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.280 that you're not learning anything at that they're not even 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.120 reading the antwers before they admit. It's like a whole 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:46.720 it is. We have a lot of teachers who listen 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.120 to out loud and I my heart goes out to 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.800 them right because as if it's not hard enough, we're 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.000 always talking about all the extra things that are piled 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.920 on teachers in terms of looking after kids social and 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.160 mental well being as well as their education and all 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.440 these things. And now it's also you have to be 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.120 wilier than a fox to try and trip them up 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:10.320 on AI use, so it feels like you're just always 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.600 running to catch up, whereas we any parent of kids 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.240 who are old enough to have access to technology knows 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.920 they are streets ahead of us always. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:19.280 Yeah. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.959 Right, So you think that you're being really cool and 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.840 you've got your screen time limits on there and you've 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.480 got all that kind of thing, but they always find 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:28.400 a way around it. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.520 It's almost embarrassing on how much we forget that kids 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.960 are so so smart. I remember when I was in 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.280 year six, which would have been two thousand and eight, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.720 we had two police officers come in for assembly and 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.720 they were talking about the dangers of Facebook and MySpace, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.200 and kids were laughing because it was stuff that we 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.000 already knew, but we knew it was stuff that our 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:54.920 parents didn't know. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.480 Like every kid had. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.559 Like a Facebook profile on MySpace page that they hid 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.720 from their And it went on with like being on 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.280 a egle and talking to strangers online, like every person 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:10.160 knew how to use technology, and we were years ahead 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.520 of our parents and trying to catch up even with 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.480 the social media band. I know so many kids who 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.760 still have social media, Like it's almost embarrassing on how 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.440 we don't we always forget that kids are so so 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.880 smart and so ahead of the curve, and when we 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.360 implement these new processes for AI and things like that, 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.080 we're always doing it from an adult perspective, where it's like, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.160 how do we use AI? How do we be safe 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.600 on AI? Forgetting that kids who were doing it probably 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:34.920 a few years before us. 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.120 Well, that's interesting. I'd love to know what you think 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.480 about that, Amelia, because it's like, to me, in a way, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.720 this seems quite quick, Like it feels almost as if 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.440 education systems in Australia and around the world are being 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.320 quite reactive, quite fast on cracking down on this because 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.160 for a lot of people, unless it's your industry, they're 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.400 only just figuring out what AI can do, and we're 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.520 and are only just learning now, Oh, they can write 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.640 your essay for you, they can do interpret your but 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.760 we're only just going, oh, that's interesting. So it does 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.400 feel like this reactivity is working well. But then isn't 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.920 it a bit unfair, Amelia, because not all kids perform 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.200 really well in exams. For lots of people, kids who 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.560 are more creative or less sort of conventionally knowledge based 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.400 assignment work is so much better for them, and that's 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:20.360 just going to go and it's going to be back 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:24.040 to books, exams, closed rooms, pens and paper. Is that 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:24.600 a good thing? 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.680 You're just on the quick point. I think part of 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.800 the reason why the education system is trying to get 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.640 on this so quickly is that there's a sense that 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.760 social media society as a whole drop the ball for kids. Yes, 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.360 we did not understand quickly enough the damage that it 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.080 did to kids' brains, and things like the social media 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:46.320 band have only been so effective, in fact mostly ineffective. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.440 So I think as a society we feel determined not 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.760 to let that happen with AI. On the fairness point, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.560 I think that's a great point. And I also think 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:59.520 kids look around and they see everyone else using AI, 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.120 and there's a sense of rules for me and not 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.480 for these. So just today there was this article in 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:09.160 the nine newspapers about how Kmart is using AI now 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.360 to hire holiday casuals. This is not by any means 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.640 restricted to Kmart, Woolworths, Bunning's Conscious. These are all companies 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.720 that are now using AI in hiring. My husband actually 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.120 did an interview on AI recently and it was the 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.000 weirdest thing he had to dress up in a shirt 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.120 and a tie for this AI interview, and I heard 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.800 him doing it in the other room, and there was 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.480 just there'd just be a period of silence, and then 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.160 he would answer the question because the AI would give 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.640 him a prompt, and then he would have to speak 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.200 to the AI as if it was a human. There 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.920 was something very sort of almost humiliating about that. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.960 Oh my god, like trying to impress because I'm not 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.040 a human entity, and the I don't want to sound 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.960 like I'm clutching my pearls like a nana. But the 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.360 idea of all the things you would learn if you 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.080 were sitting across the table from your husband, from his 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.240 body language, from the way he talks, and the way 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.439 he presents, whether he's smiling, whether he's not just gone, 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:05.880 that's exactly frightening. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.480 And look, with this came out interview that the nine 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.480 newspapers wrote about today, the AI bot says at the start, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.000 we'll ask you five thought provoking questions that will reveal 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.600 your strengths and help you identify areas for growth. And 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.000 then apparently it says you're not allowed to use AI 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.399 for your responses, which first of all, just feels like 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.880 a very clear power imbalance between employer and would be employee. 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.600 And then after the interview you were emailed some areas 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.600 for improvement. So the AI emailed this journalist and said, look, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.040 you seem like you're very trustworthy on the plus side. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.880 On the con side, you seem a bit bossy. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.320 Oh the robot's telling me I'm boss. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.240 Yeah, not in so many words. It was phrase more 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.520 tactfully than that. But I don't want the AI telling 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:51.480 me what's wrong with me. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:55.520 I've got commissions to do that, Amelia. I'm trying, we 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.080 try really hard on this show to remain positive or 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.520 not beaten. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:17:59.480 Now I just want to. 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.760 Walk out of the store on the PUSA. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.960 I do think that just to bring it back to 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.960 that idea that we are not going to as a society, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.480 let what social media did your kids happen to? This 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.879 next generation of Jena so interesting. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:14.800 I have one complaint, which is why I said that 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.280 in my throwaway thing about this that I'm unhappy, and 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.480 that's that we need homework to stop the kids from 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.919 just being on TikTok and video games at all times. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.200 If you do away with that homework, now my kids 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:35.440 are just unfettered into the algorithms that have been set 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.199 for them by other robots in other places. So I'm like, 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.480 there is no escape. Please bring back. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:46.240 Homework after the break, grab a cup of tea, snuggle 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.520 up under a crochet blanket, and let's figure out if 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.800 there's anything wrong with just wanting to be cozy. Okay. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.080 On Saturday night, I went out with a friend just 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.639 for a quiet drink at the pub and we were 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.720 sitting in I love a quiet drinking. 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.080 I was so great for you. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.280 We meditate thirty, which felt rather daring for me, and 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.520 across the courtyard we spied a group of young women 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.720 who must have been no older than maybe twenty twenty one, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:20.240 and they were huddled over a game of cards. My 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.840 first instinct when I saw them was that looks incredibly cozy. 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.200 But then my friend, who had a wilder and more 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.480 adventurous youth than I did, said she felt sad because 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.120 she said they should be out making mistakes, they shouldn't 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:37.359 be just playing cards together. So this is the cult 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.760 of cozy in action. I've been thinking about this cult 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.679 of cozy lately because there's been this spate of articles 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:48.280 about how young people, particularly after COVID are prioritizing their 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.600 well being and their happiness in a way that other 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.240 generations such as mine and Holly did not. We didn't 0:19:54.240 --> 0:20:00.679 prioritize well being in happiness, no hangovers. You're doing fewer 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.760 recreational drugs, they're drinking less, they're having less sex, and 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:08.360 instead they're embracing creative, wholesome, tactile activities. The New York 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:12.600 Times called it hobby maxing or hobby hobby amory. Another 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.920 term for it is having a side quest. I think 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.480 it brings a little like whimsy to your life, which 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.760 has nothing to do with your job or anything like that. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.439