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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia

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Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this

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Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodney and

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Speaker 1: I'm m Burnham and m Burnham's looking very fancy today.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we should post a photo of you

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Speaker 1: a newsreader. Thank you in any other odds, the highest

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Speaker 1: compliment problematic in this office in the studio. You know

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Speaker 1: what I meant. You're great.

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Speaker 2: We have a little in house debate today in honor

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Speaker 2: of International Women's Day coming up there.

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Speaker 1: I love that you put your hand up for that.

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Speaker 1: You like the girl at school who's like on all

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Speaker 1: the committees, helps organize things. I thought it would be.

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Speaker 3: Not easy at all. Shout out to professional debates.

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Speaker 1: No, it sounds like so much work. Like we're going

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Speaker 2: Of there's a lot of work, to the point where

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Speaker 3: To make room from my debate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, someone said to me that day, why are you

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Speaker 1: there was a reason Emily Verdam and her extracurricular activities.

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Speaker 1: more followers. But coming up on the show today, a

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Speaker 1: problematic celebrity couple has emerged. They've been around the block before,

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Speaker 1: problematic for some Well that's the thing. You either are

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Speaker 1: so excited by these two A listers potentially getting back

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Speaker 1: you saw the pictures. So we're gonna get into that. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have a little debate, and I'm like, we're

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Speaker 1: on different side practice to me. Plus, married at First

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Speaker 1: Site another week down, and this week a wild sex

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Speaker 1: that we don't know that we're going to share with

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Speaker 1: you in a safe space. But first, Emily Vernon, reporting

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Speaker 1: live from the news desk.

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Speaker 2: But first, a sentence that I never thought i'd say.

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Speaker 2: Katy Perry is going to space.

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Speaker 1: He watched her video clips. She's been to space, She's

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Speaker 1: danced with an alien. How dare you? She's going for

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Speaker 1: research at her upcoming tour, and she's got the outfits planned.

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Speaker 1: It's fine.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why this makes me laugh so much.

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Speaker 2: The bizarreness around it is just the straight headlines about it.

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Speaker 2: It's like Katie Perry going to space, all female crew,

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Speaker 2: sponsored by Jeff Bezos, who is the owner of Amazon.

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Speaker 2: So yes, Jeff Bezos is sending a Blue Origin rocket

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Speaker 2: to space with an all female crew, including Katie Perry,

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Speaker 2: which hasn't happened since nineteen sixty three, which I think

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Speaker 2: So Katy Perry is going to be joined by CBS

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Speaker 2: host Gail King, who initially turned it down but then

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Speaker 2: was like, this is a unique opportunity. You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give bit Ago She's also going to

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Speaker 2: be joined by Lauren Sanchez, who's Jeff Bezos's partner, some

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Speaker 2: a movie producer Carrie Anne Flynn. So we've got some

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Speaker 3: A good trip.

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Speaker 1: And when you say going to space, so these trips

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Speaker 1: it's just like you go up into space, but not

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Speaker 1: like all the way up. I don't know science. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're only up there for like what the whole

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Speaker 2: It's literally eleven minutes. They go up for like sixty

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Speaker 2: just pop up, look at the few drop back down.

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Speaker 2: like actual fact about how expensive it is. But just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is going to be a new tourism

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Speaker 1: Mill and write about space and go on to space

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Speaker 1: movie Gravity, when George Clooney floats away in space, he

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Speaker 1: has to go off the rope so that Sandra Bullet

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Speaker 3: Never say never.

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Speaker 2: I would say, okay, so I wouldn't I wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: That I'd say, yes that Katy Perry is braver than you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if Kay Perry can do it, we all

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Speaker 1: I got with Katie Perry. I feel like she'd have

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Speaker 2: So these women are going to be together for eleven minutes.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they've all, like met all of them

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Speaker 2: because I guess they have to, like I guess, cater

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Speaker 2: to the celebrities while they're up there. They're not going

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Speaker 2: to be like, hey, Katie, can you empty the poop

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Speaker 2: bucket's eleven minutes?

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Speaker 3: This is what because do you never know? Sometimes they

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Speaker 2: What about those scientists who were meant to go for

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Speaker 1: It's different. They're in deep space.

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Speaker 2: I think the rumors are they're about to launch very

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Speaker 3: Maybe they're already there looking down on us.

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Speaker 1: Maybe stay tuned for the looks Space Space looks Space

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Speaker 2: As I was scrolling TikTok, I came across a newser

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Speaker 2: Affleck seen embracing ex wife Jennifer Ghana during a game

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Speaker 1: It's like I'm in a weird time loop when I

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Speaker 2: The sad thing is like we obviously we've talked about

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Speaker 1: Be I may gets newly divorced, only it only got

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Speaker 3: Ago, to constantly newly divorced.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he can't. He goes back and forth between being

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Speaker 3: There's no in between.

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Speaker 2: So it was accompanied by a video that was literally

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Speaker 2: okay because it is at a paintball range, so I

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Speaker 3: They are both with.

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Speaker 1: Their shared son. His name is Samuel shared Son. Beware

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Speaker 1: Samuel the shared son. It's Violet Seraphina and Samuel Do.

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Speaker 1: I wish I didn't know that information, yes, but it's

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Speaker 2: You know, you would win one of those like game

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know it was in.

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Speaker 3: There for you. It's really weird anyway.

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Speaker 2: I also purposely didn't look up his name because I like,

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Speaker 2: that's one thing Laura's going to know.

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Speaker 1: It's that one fact.

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Speaker 2: So they're at the shooting range. They're on the same team. Samuel,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's on the same team as well. He's

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Garner really is passionate about this game.

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Speaker 3: She really wants to play.

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Speaker 1: She's she's there to kill, muck around, shoot or go home.

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Speaker 3: So she's busy shooting, shooting. We don't know who how

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Speaker 1: She thinks she wanted to shoot Ben and he's like,

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Speaker 2: Ben is not into it, like for a man who

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've watched this video like, I think twenty two times.

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Speaker 2: That video has twenty thousand views. I think I'm nineteen

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Speaker 2: from you. So the reason why I watch it so

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Speaker 2: many times is because I am a big Jennifer Affleck fan.

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Speaker 3: Basically Jennifer Affleck.

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Speaker 1: Man Jennifer Affleck. Which Jennifer A you're referring to, Jennifer Gannah,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Garanna Affleck. She never changed her name. How dare you?

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Speaker 2: The thing is is that you grew up with benefer,

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Speaker 2: as in Jlo Benefer.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was a child when it was Jennifer Ghana.

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Speaker 2: I grew up right right, So when the whole Jlo

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Speaker 1: He didn't understand its significance. But no, I kept trying

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but now if this happened, I'll get it and

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Speaker 2: I'd be happy about it.

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Speaker 1: I don't make you sad, then, don't. This is the

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Speaker 1: ever after. There's no way that woman is taking that

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Speaker 4: So with Ryan, he like really cares about training all

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Speaker 2: Which is a fair statement to make, especially if you

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Speaker 2: Which is so different to the personality he's put out there.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, yes, that's what she said. That's not

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Speaker 6: Their chat first nighting and I can't but we're talking

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Speaker 2: This is the part where I hated, because what you

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Speaker 1: prong thing because on one hand, it's like very similar

434
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Speaker 1: to like conversations that would happen in real life. But

435
00:19:01,784 --> 00:19:04,024
Speaker 1: on the other hand, like they are contracted on the

436
00:19:04,064 --> 00:19:06,384
Speaker 1: TV show, so they've got producers there being like, oh,

437
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Speaker 1: we bring up that thing that Ryan said. Also, I'm

438
00:19:09,344 --> 00:19:11,024
Speaker 1: sure a lot of them are just very happy for

439
00:19:11,064 --> 00:19:14,184
Speaker 1: the deflection in this case because a lot of bad

440
00:19:14,224 --> 00:19:15,904
Speaker 1: stuff has happened in the last Like one of the

441
00:19:15,904 --> 00:19:18,144
Speaker 1: guys punched a wall last week, and everyone's moved. Do

442
00:19:18,144 --> 00:19:20,344
Speaker 1: you see that, No, Paul punched a wall. It's unfortunately

443
00:19:20,344 --> 00:19:20,984
Speaker 1: his name is Paul.

444
00:19:21,024 --> 00:19:21,944
Speaker 3: Paul punched a wall.

445
00:19:22,064 --> 00:19:23,984
Speaker 1: Yep. When he was like in a fight with his

446
00:19:24,384 --> 00:19:27,024
Speaker 1: fake wife, and there was this whole block of people

447
00:19:27,024 --> 00:19:28,864
Speaker 1: wanting him like removed from the show and all this

448
00:19:28,904 --> 00:19:30,744
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and they had to separate them and

449
00:19:30,824 --> 00:19:32,864
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, and this week everyone's like

450
00:19:33,064 --> 00:19:37,104
Speaker 1: moving on from that sex gym confessions to exercise before

451
00:19:37,144 --> 00:19:38,584
Speaker 1: after the gym. So I think also a lot of

452
00:19:38,624 --> 00:19:40,144
Speaker 1: people are just very much like this is the new

453
00:19:40,184 --> 00:19:42,024
Speaker 1: drama and we can all kind of jump on this

454
00:19:42,064 --> 00:19:44,424
Speaker 1: and it's a deflection. But it did lead to JACKI

455
00:19:44,424 --> 00:19:46,384
Speaker 1: and Ryan having like quite a big fight later on.

456
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Speaker 6: She betrayed me, let's go said he you know, like

457
00:19:49,784 --> 00:19:52,944
Speaker 6: my trust is a hard thing to regain. She's taken

458
00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:55,304
Speaker 6: what I said to her own confidence and thrown into

459
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Speaker 6: a group setting. And what's happened, Like we're now worse

460
00:19:57,504 --> 00:20:01,184
Speaker 6: off than when we started. Yeah, after that conversation, it's

461
00:20:01,224 --> 00:20:03,664
Speaker 6: really important. I need to address this with you, okay.

462
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Speaker 6: So I really would appreciate it, and this is something

463
00:20:06,784 --> 00:20:10,744
Speaker 6: I need from you, okay. Is the t us that

464
00:20:10,824 --> 00:20:13,984
Speaker 6: if we do have a very personal, intimate conversation, that

465
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Speaker 6: you won't blurt it out to the group. Trust to

466
00:20:16,224 --> 00:20:21,104
Speaker 6: me is a big part of getting through a relationship

467
00:20:21,144 --> 00:20:23,024
Speaker 6: and seeing if there is a long term future there.

468
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Speaker 6: So like, if I'm going to trust you moving forward,

469
00:20:27,864 --> 00:20:31,024
Speaker 6: sex life should be between the two people.

470
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Speaker 4: Well, you need to tell yourself this because you're the

471
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Speaker 4: one who's brought up in front of everyone over and

472
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Speaker 4: over again.

473
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Speaker 6: I've got to say, like she gives, she gives awesome.

474
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Speaker 1: Say like that.

475
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Speaker 4: Girl, Ry, I'm saying, hey, don't talk about sex, notwithstanding

476
00:20:50,544 --> 00:20:53,344
Speaker 4: the fact he's talking about sex so many times.

477
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Speaker 6: And I felt that was something to celebrate and not

478
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Speaker 6: go into too much detail.

479
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Speaker 4: Yes, so maybe I was celebrating that you were the

480
00:21:00,584 --> 00:21:03,264
Speaker 4: one who made our sex life an open forum. And

481
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Speaker 4: now I have a problem and I want to bring

482
00:21:04,904 --> 00:21:07,144
Speaker 4: it up with my Like with the girls, what.

483
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Speaker 6: Problem is there.

484
00:21:09,264 --> 00:21:12,824
Speaker 4: I've never meet anyone who said that they have to

485
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Speaker 4: say to your stosterone for Jimmy.

486
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Speaker 6: That's not all the time either.

487
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Speaker 4: I just wanted to ask the girls because maybe one

488
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Speaker 4: of them has data.

489
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Speaker 6: To guys.

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Speaker 3: They discussed, Yeah, this is normal.

491
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Speaker 6: Discussed you said. Okay, I've never heard that before, but

492
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Speaker 6: I understand that's how you live your life. That's where

493
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Speaker 6: it should have stayed. I've definitely taken a step back.

494
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Speaker 6: I'm not happy about it at all. Like it's taken

495
00:21:36,624 --> 00:21:38,424
Speaker 6: a long time for us to get to this point.

496
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Speaker 6: I don't damage it.

497
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Speaker 4: Your whole approach to intimacy isn't natural because you're saving

498
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Speaker 4: the one thing that gets you to get intimate for Jim,

499
00:21:48,784 --> 00:21:51,024
Speaker 4: and therefore intimacy is second hand.

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Speaker 6: That's still if it was second hand, why have we

501
00:21:54,144 --> 00:21:56,024
Speaker 6: done that many times?

502
00:21:56,064 --> 00:21:57,664
Speaker 3: That we haven't done that many times?

503
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Speaker 6: Did it last Friday night?

504
00:21:59,424 --> 00:22:00,864
Speaker 1: Well, Ronnie had seats three times?

505
00:22:01,024 --> 00:22:04,864
Speaker 3: To be fair, honestly, you're keeping track, don't.

506
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Speaker 4: I'm just questioning because you want to You care about

507
00:22:07,984 --> 00:22:08,584
Speaker 4: your gym law?

508
00:22:08,864 --> 00:22:09,504
Speaker 6: Are bullshit?

509
00:22:10,424 --> 00:22:11,104
Speaker 1: Oh shit?

510
00:22:12,664 --> 00:22:15,824
Speaker 3: Care about I confided in you about how I live

511
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Speaker 3: my lifestyle?

512
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Speaker 6: All right? And if that last I was never going

513
00:22:18,544 --> 00:22:20,624
Speaker 6: to coincide with yours. I'm not the man comment.

514
00:22:20,704 --> 00:22:22,664
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be coincide. It's just that I'm willing,

515
00:22:22,824 --> 00:22:25,024
Speaker 4: like I want to have a conversation about it, and

516
00:22:25,064 --> 00:22:27,384
Speaker 4: you just don't conversate. It's just like, this is my

517
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Speaker 4: life on listen, then this is how I do it?

518
00:22:30,424 --> 00:22:31,184
Speaker 3: No, this is this is.

519
00:22:31,144 --> 00:22:31,664
Speaker 6: Important to me?

520
00:22:31,944 --> 00:22:32,784
Speaker 1: Is it important to you?

521
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Speaker 6: I'm only I'm only going to say this one right,

522
00:22:36,384 --> 00:22:39,504
Speaker 6: I'm not going to say this once it happens again.

523
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Speaker 3: This relationship's over.

524
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Speaker 1: I need to post a video of Emily's face when

525
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Speaker 1: she's listening to his cloth.

526
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Speaker 3: The first time I listened to that.

527
00:22:48,184 --> 00:22:50,944
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that bit, and I can just see like

528
00:22:51,064 --> 00:22:53,344
Speaker 1: the it just like filling your body.

529
00:22:53,304 --> 00:22:54,104
Speaker 3: From both of them.

530
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Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, it's a lot of such a weird conversation.

531
00:22:57,064 --> 00:22:58,824
Speaker 2: I can't believe they said that on camera.

532
00:22:59,864 --> 00:23:03,064
Speaker 1: Well exactly, him kind of like almost like sex shaving

533
00:23:03,144 --> 00:23:04,624
Speaker 1: her in a reverse way of being like, well, I'm

534
00:23:04,624 --> 00:23:06,144
Speaker 1: not keeping count if you are.

535
00:23:06,224 --> 00:23:09,304
Speaker 2: He's like, then why if that was true, we wouldn't

536
00:23:09,304 --> 00:23:11,064
Speaker 2: have done it that many times. She's like, we've only

537
00:23:11,104 --> 00:23:12,464
Speaker 2: done it three times, and he's like, why are you

538
00:23:12,504 --> 00:23:14,504
Speaker 2: keeping count the Yeah.

539
00:23:14,304 --> 00:23:16,184
Speaker 1: It's a pretty easy number to keep count of. It's

540
00:23:16,264 --> 00:23:19,304
Speaker 1: like you have to like mark that your diary.

541
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Speaker 2: She said they when they had sex three times. Yeah,

542
00:23:22,104 --> 00:23:26,024
Speaker 2: that whole thing was weird. He seems just very embarrassed

543
00:23:26,264 --> 00:23:31,384
Speaker 2: and upset about the boys finding out that he wants

544
00:23:31,384 --> 00:23:33,864
Speaker 2: to save his disosterone for gym, not to sex.

545
00:23:34,064 --> 00:23:36,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Look again, I feel like it has to

546
00:23:36,184 --> 00:23:39,424
Speaker 1: be said that there's always like different parallels when talking

547
00:23:39,424 --> 00:23:41,824
Speaker 1: about sex for men and women, And I think obviously

548
00:23:42,064 --> 00:23:45,664
Speaker 1: potentially if it, like the situation was reversed, we would

549
00:23:45,664 --> 00:23:49,224
Speaker 1: be less kind of you know, I think people maybe

550
00:23:49,224 --> 00:23:51,664
Speaker 1: would be more accommodating, Like there's maybe a bit more

551
00:23:51,944 --> 00:23:54,784
Speaker 1: sex shaming coming his way, because men are meant to be,

552
00:23:54,864 --> 00:23:56,584
Speaker 1: you know, the ones who want to have sex all

553
00:23:56,584 --> 00:23:58,344
Speaker 1: the time. If they don't have a higher sex drive,

554
00:23:58,504 --> 00:24:00,744
Speaker 1: then what's wrong with you kind of thing, Like it's

555
00:24:00,784 --> 00:24:02,464
Speaker 1: meant to be like an unmanly thing. So I think

556
00:24:02,464 --> 00:24:05,264
Speaker 1: there is that conversation hovering around, but because of the

557
00:24:05,344 --> 00:24:08,064
Speaker 1: gym factor, it's just been overshadowed by like, this guy's

558
00:24:08,064 --> 00:24:10,704
Speaker 1: a weirdo kind of thing instead of having that other componversation.

559
00:24:11,104 --> 00:24:13,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's still really interesting to me how it's

560
00:24:13,664 --> 00:24:16,944
Speaker 2: still like this guy's a weirdo, whereas just from listening

561
00:24:17,024 --> 00:24:19,344
Speaker 2: to this, I'm like, this guy is clearly lying and

562
00:24:19,344 --> 00:24:20,624
Speaker 2: just doesn't want to have sex with her.

563
00:24:20,824 --> 00:24:23,384
Speaker 1: Do you think, yes, I don't know. I don't know

564
00:24:23,424 --> 00:24:24,944
Speaker 1: if that's the case. It'sact think that.

565
00:24:24,944 --> 00:24:28,664
Speaker 2: She confronted him about like his lola beido, and that's

566
00:24:28,704 --> 00:24:30,624
Speaker 2: the first thing that popped into his head, yeah, and

567
00:24:30,744 --> 00:24:32,424
Speaker 2: was like because that's just not something that you would

568
00:24:32,464 --> 00:24:35,504
Speaker 2: have thought about and then been like, oh, yeah, this

569
00:24:35,584 --> 00:24:37,344
Speaker 2: is the reason why I have a lola bed.

570
00:24:37,544 --> 00:24:39,864
Speaker 1: I just I mean, look, maybe maybe that's the first

571
00:24:39,864 --> 00:24:41,304
Speaker 1: thing that came to his mind and he was like,

572
00:24:41,344 --> 00:24:43,464
Speaker 1: that's great, and maybe he just has a very low

573
00:24:43,504 --> 00:24:44,624
Speaker 1: sex drive like some people do.

574
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Speaker 2: I think I was just saying I have a very

575
00:24:46,384 --> 00:24:49,544
Speaker 2: low sex drive is better than saying I'm saving it

576
00:24:49,584 --> 00:24:49,944
Speaker 2: for the gym.

577
00:24:50,064 --> 00:24:52,624
Speaker 1: Well maybe in his head again, because there's so pressure

578
00:24:52,664 --> 00:24:54,544
Speaker 1: to be like manly and be the alpha man that

579
00:24:54,584 --> 00:24:56,944
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Maybe that he just thought that was

580
00:24:56,944 --> 00:24:59,184
Speaker 1: better because he's like saving his virility in a way

581
00:24:59,184 --> 00:25:01,264
Speaker 1: that's going to make him body strong. I hate every

582
00:25:01,264 --> 00:25:04,624
Speaker 1: word I just said, but I also think Jimbo's get

583
00:25:04,704 --> 00:25:07,664
Speaker 1: some weird ideas in their head, Like they do weird stuff,

584
00:25:07,704 --> 00:25:10,264
Speaker 1: they eat, weird things. They become very obsessive about it.

585
00:25:10,264 --> 00:25:11,984
Speaker 1: It's why they're all filming themselves at the gym and

586
00:25:11,984 --> 00:25:14,624
Speaker 1: you can't move past them because it's cameras everywhere. I

587
00:25:14,744 --> 00:25:16,584
Speaker 1: just wonder if someone has said that to him and

588
00:25:16,624 --> 00:25:18,984
Speaker 1: he is locked onto that and now he believes it

589
00:25:19,024 --> 00:25:20,424
Speaker 1: so much. Like I'm just saying, like, think of some

590
00:25:20,424 --> 00:25:22,264
Speaker 1: of the weird stuff they eat and the weird rules

591
00:25:22,264 --> 00:25:25,024
Speaker 1: they live by new and it becomes really obsessive. And

592
00:25:25,064 --> 00:25:26,624
Speaker 1: I think somewhere in his mind he was like, if

593
00:25:26,624 --> 00:25:28,144
Speaker 1: I have sex people to go to the gym, my

594
00:25:28,224 --> 00:25:31,984
Speaker 1: muscles will deteriorate before my eyes, and he truly believes that,

595
00:25:32,344 --> 00:25:37,024
Speaker 1: Oh he's nothing without his muscles. Oh no, it's hard

596
00:25:37,064 --> 00:25:37,904
Speaker 1: out there for a man.

597
00:25:38,624 --> 00:25:41,664
Speaker 2: I think in general, like this is the couple that

598
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Speaker 2: everyone's just concentrating on, Like if you think about it,

599
00:25:44,744 --> 00:25:46,984
Speaker 2: where it's the couple that we have talked about the

600
00:25:47,064 --> 00:25:49,544
Speaker 2: most out of any other couple. So it feels like

601
00:25:50,144 --> 00:25:52,544
Speaker 2: no matter what they do, there is always going to

602
00:25:52,584 --> 00:25:54,864
Speaker 2: be something to talk about. And like you said, like

603
00:25:54,944 --> 00:25:56,744
Speaker 2: we've all just moved on from Paul in the Wall

604
00:25:57,544 --> 00:26:00,544
Speaker 2: when we're just focusing on these two when there are

605
00:26:00,584 --> 00:26:04,704
Speaker 2: like so many other problematic couples in that show. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for listening to this Spill today. If

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Speaker 2: you want more maps content, we're actually recapping the whole

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Speaker 2: will put a link to all of those in our

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Speaker 2: show notes, as well as some other pieces. The Spill

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Speaker 2: Stronik and we'll be back here on your podcast feed

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