WEBVTT - Sarah Jessica Parker Didn’t See This... Coming 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.342 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.221 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:18.822 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:20.782 --> 0:00:23.701 Welcome to Mamma Mia out Loud, where women come for 0:00:23.782 --> 0:00:24.462 a debrief. 0:00:24.782 --> 0:00:26.422 I'm Holly Wainwright. 0:00:26.142 --> 0:00:28.382 I'm mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:28.582 --> 0:00:31.501 And here's what made our agenda for today, Friday, the 0:00:31.582 --> 0:00:32.662 twentieth of June. 0:00:32.822 --> 0:00:34.141 Why Sarah Jessica. 0:00:33.781 --> 0:00:35.821 Parker might be one of the few women alive who 0:00:35.902 --> 0:00:39.302 has never watched Carrie Bradshaw have sex, get dressed, or 0:00:39.342 --> 0:00:40.982 type charmingly on a laptop. 0:00:41.101 --> 0:00:44.101 Plus, everyone wants to text less, but nobody wants to 0:00:44.142 --> 0:00:47.622 be left on red And is anyone else exhausted by 0:00:47.702 --> 0:00:49.982 having to be always on? Not just at work but 0:00:50.062 --> 0:00:51.022 with friends and family. 0:00:51.142 --> 0:00:54.022 And we've got some recommendations for you. We are all 0:00:54.062 --> 0:00:57.142 bringing you something to watch this weekend, and we have 0:00:57.222 --> 0:00:59.022 some news. We do great there. 0:00:59.622 --> 0:01:02.822 But first I have a question. Did everyone else know 0:01:03.742 --> 0:01:04.941 that Bluey is a girl? 0:01:05.142 --> 0:01:05.622 Yes? No? 0:01:05.902 --> 0:01:08.062 Yes? What did you think Bluey was a boy? 0:01:08.182 --> 0:01:09.982 I don't watch blue my children too well? 0:01:10.262 --> 0:01:11.862 What did you think blue was a boy? 0:01:11.941 --> 0:01:12.502 I think I did? 0:01:12.581 --> 0:01:14.062 Yes, because blue is a boy's color. 0:01:14.182 --> 0:01:17.102 No, Blue is a girl and has a sister named Bingo. 0:01:17.382 --> 0:01:19.581 My mind is blown. So I kind of thought that 0:01:19.622 --> 0:01:22.982 Bingo was a girl, but I assumed that Bluie was 0:01:23.022 --> 0:01:26.581 a boy, and I learnt it because I also am 0:01:26.622 --> 0:01:30.662 out of the loop of children's programs. But now spending 0:01:30.782 --> 0:01:33.742 more time with my granddaughter, I've very much entered the. 0:01:33.662 --> 0:01:34.262 World of Blue. 0:01:34.302 --> 0:01:36.742 Everybody says it's the best kids TV show I've ever made, 0:01:36.822 --> 0:01:39.782 and it's so successful all over the world. 0:01:39.822 --> 0:01:41.902 Yeah, I'm back in the Wiggles. Goodness, there've been some 0:01:42.022 --> 0:01:44.422 changes there. There's a lot of them now. Yeah, they've 0:01:44.422 --> 0:01:47.422 all got different names. And Jeff isn't around, must have 0:01:47.462 --> 0:01:48.422 gone sleep permanently. 0:01:48.742 --> 0:01:50.022 But Blue is a girl. 0:01:50.102 --> 0:01:50.862 I didn't know that. 0:01:50.982 --> 0:01:53.142 Okay, I have something I need to add because I 0:01:53.222 --> 0:01:56.062 was away with friends over the weekend and there were 0:01:56.062 --> 0:01:58.062 eight of us and two of us didn't know this. 0:01:58.782 --> 0:02:00.742 Did you guys know that oats and porridge were the 0:02:00.742 --> 0:02:04.502 same thing? Yes? Stop it? 0:02:05.022 --> 0:02:06.022 How did you not stop? 0:02:07.462 --> 0:02:10.662 I think that they were thought porridge was likes ludge. 0:02:10.781 --> 0:02:13.501 I thought porridge was like a mucky wet. I thought 0:02:13.501 --> 0:02:14.382 it was just it's. 0:02:14.302 --> 0:02:15.101 Made from oat. 0:02:15.621 --> 0:02:17.382 Where do you think it came from the ground. 0:02:17.822 --> 0:02:20.182 I thought that porridge was the thing you bought and 0:02:20.302 --> 0:02:22.462 oats is the thing you buy. Separate things. 0:02:22.502 --> 0:02:23.862 What did you think you did with oats? 0:02:23.982 --> 0:02:26.142 I thought you made oats. 0:02:26.502 --> 0:02:29.302 Can we revise? He is the smart one, you know 0:02:29.342 --> 0:02:31.381 how that's always nothing. Jesse is the smart one. 0:02:31.582 --> 0:02:32.022 Not today. 0:02:32.702 --> 0:02:35.621 My friend and I were just our minds were absolutely blown. 0:02:36.181 --> 0:02:38.062 Porridge and the same thing. 0:02:38.422 --> 0:02:40.221 Wow, I've been off the show for a couple of days. 0:02:40.262 --> 0:02:42.902 The thing I like the absolute best is that Miya 0:02:43.222 --> 0:02:50.381 thought that they shou rocky. 0:02:50.542 --> 0:02:53.102 Now I've forgotten which it is. Now I'm terrified and 0:02:53.142 --> 0:02:56.022 I'm just going to call him Rihanna's boyfriend my life. 0:02:55.782 --> 0:02:57.582 Which is very out loud of us to just make 0:02:57.622 --> 0:03:02.022 him Rihanna's boyfriend. Anyway, if you had spent decades on 0:03:02.022 --> 0:03:05.022 one of the most iconic TV shows of all time, 0:03:05.181 --> 0:03:09.702 in glorious coture, full hair and makeup and getting to 0:03:09.742 --> 0:03:13.182 snog loads of handsome, craggy guys, wouldn't you want to 0:03:13.382 --> 0:03:14.622 watch yourself doing it? 0:03:14.862 --> 0:03:15.902 No? I would. 0:03:16.622 --> 0:03:22.262 Apparently if you're SJP you definitely wouldn't. And unless you're 0:03:22.262 --> 0:03:25.382 trapped under something heavy, you probably know that she's currently 0:03:25.422 --> 0:03:27.942 starring and executive producer, ing sho we make that a 0:03:27.942 --> 0:03:31.102 thing absolutely, and just like that the Sex and the 0:03:31.142 --> 0:03:34.502 City spin off. People have a lot of opinions about 0:03:34.502 --> 0:03:37.022 that show. They particularly had a lot of opinions about 0:03:37.022 --> 0:03:39.822 something that happened quite early on in this season with 0:03:40.022 --> 0:03:42.982 John Corbet, who plays Aiden in his pickup truck. We 0:03:43.022 --> 0:03:46.342 may have talked about it. Here's Howard Stern asking SJP 0:03:46.622 --> 0:03:49.542 what she thought about that moment that revealed the truth 0:03:49.582 --> 0:03:50.622 that she doesn't watch it. 0:03:50.622 --> 0:03:53.782 It's is such a weird moment where he's having phone 0:03:53.782 --> 0:03:56.182 sex with you and he's about to, you know, play 0:03:56.222 --> 0:03:59.382 with himself when he's talking to you, and he licks 0:03:59.422 --> 0:04:03.022 his hand and he takes his tongue and he starts 0:04:03.062 --> 0:04:05.742 licking his hand and then he plays with his penis. 0:04:06.622 --> 0:04:08.422 Do you know he did that in this thing? Because 0:04:08.422 --> 0:04:10.822 you probably filmed it, And have you seen this scene 0:04:10.822 --> 0:04:11.142 at all? 0:04:11.222 --> 0:04:12.902 No, I've not seen that. 0:04:13.262 --> 0:04:15.342 Is that really true? You really have not seen it? 0:04:15.582 --> 0:04:16.022 Seen it? No? 0:04:19.462 --> 0:04:20.902 I can't comment on that. 0:04:20.942 --> 0:04:22.342 My lawyer has advised me. 0:04:23.462 --> 0:04:24.061 Is that true? 0:04:24.861 --> 0:04:25.902 I have no attorney? 0:04:26.902 --> 0:04:28.302 No? No, But I mean, is it true that you're 0:04:28.381 --> 0:04:30.222 up to you really have no knowledge of it? 0:04:30.421 --> 0:04:34.501 Is I haven't seen most of Sex and the City ever, 0:04:35.101 --> 0:04:38.062 and I haven't seen and just like that. Every now 0:04:38.101 --> 0:04:40.662 and then Michael Patrick will say to me, please watch 0:04:40.702 --> 0:04:44.622 episode you know, so I don't know. This is the 0:04:44.702 --> 0:04:45.902 first I'm hearing about that. 0:04:46.181 --> 0:04:49.581 I found this just weird. I have to say on 0:04:49.621 --> 0:04:52.621 a few levels. First of all, as an executive producer 0:04:52.821 --> 0:04:55.582 on a show, you have to watch it a lot. 0:04:55.902 --> 0:04:59.062 I guess there are different versions of being an executive producer, 0:04:59.501 --> 0:05:03.022 but part of what you do is you make decisions 0:05:03.181 --> 0:05:06.502 early on about casting and about scripts, and then you 0:05:06.582 --> 0:05:10.902 watch the dailies and you watch the edits of the 0:05:10.941 --> 0:05:14.741 show and you give feedback. And she's been an executive 0:05:14.741 --> 0:05:16.981 producer of Sex and the City and now and. 0:05:16.981 --> 0:05:17.381 Just like that. 0:05:17.662 --> 0:05:21.101 So I guess what this is suggesting is that it's 0:05:21.181 --> 0:05:25.621 perhaps a vanity credit or that she inhabits. No, that's 0:05:25.662 --> 0:05:28.262 a really common thing. Sometimes it means that you get 0:05:28.262 --> 0:05:29.702 more money out of the back end, because you can 0:05:29.782 --> 0:05:31.621 charge a fee for being the star, and you charge 0:05:31.621 --> 0:05:35.101 a fee for being the executive producer. But interestingly, one 0:05:35.101 --> 0:05:39.141 of the reasons that Kim Ktrall, who played Samantha, gave 0:05:39.501 --> 0:05:41.941 for wanting to not come back is that she said, well, 0:05:42.022 --> 0:05:44.901 Sarah Jessica Parker was an executive producer. I feel like 0:05:44.941 --> 0:05:48.301 we all should have been, and just like that, Cynthia 0:05:48.381 --> 0:05:50.662 Nixon who plays Miranda, and christ And Davis who plays 0:05:50.782 --> 0:05:52.582 Charlotte both are executive producers. 0:05:52.662 --> 0:05:54.822 I don't think it's vanity though, because I think that 0:05:54.861 --> 0:05:59.101 Sarah Jessica Parker is interested in different things. So if 0:05:59.142 --> 0:06:01.661 you listen, for example, I remember there was a little 0:06:01.782 --> 0:06:04.101 doco about and just like that in the first season 0:06:04.181 --> 0:06:08.222 where they talked about how obsessive she was about Carrie's closet, 0:06:08.421 --> 0:06:10.462 Like I don't mean literally the clothes, but the way 0:06:10.501 --> 0:06:12.741 it would be organized, the apartments, the way this would 0:06:12.741 --> 0:06:14.782 be there and this would be there, and in a 0:06:14.782 --> 0:06:17.942 little code the set dresses made it sound like it 0:06:17.981 --> 0:06:20.061 was kind of a punish, you know what I mean. 0:06:20.421 --> 0:06:23.142 I think that there are things that Sarah Jessica Parker 0:06:23.301 --> 0:06:28.341 is incredibly detailed focused on, but the end result doesn't 0:06:28.381 --> 0:06:30.301 seem like it's that, do you understand it? 0:06:30.421 --> 0:06:33.382 I wonder if this is how you survive fifty years 0:06:33.381 --> 0:06:36.061 in the industry is by not watching it, And I 0:06:36.181 --> 0:06:39.582 reckon that a lot of actors when they sit down 0:06:39.621 --> 0:06:42.702 at a premiere or when their film is released or whatever. 0:06:42.821 --> 0:06:44.901 I don't reckon that they've watched it. I think that 0:06:45.342 --> 0:06:47.381 we hear a lot of creatives talk about the process 0:06:47.541 --> 0:06:52.101 and not necessarily being connected to the outcome. And I 0:06:52.381 --> 0:06:56.501 just reckon that she is very invested in story. She's 0:06:56.541 --> 0:07:00.381 a Booker Prize judge this year. I think she really 0:07:00.421 --> 0:07:03.501 cares about words. She's a lover of like literary fiction 0:07:03.582 --> 0:07:04.302 and that kind of thing. 0:07:04.941 --> 0:07:06.061 She's got a book in print. 0:07:06.222 --> 0:07:09.222 She's got a book imprint which has many as one 0:07:09.262 --> 0:07:10.262 of her many things. 0:07:10.381 --> 0:07:11.102 Yes, So I. 0:07:11.022 --> 0:07:13.342 Love talking about books, and she is a big advocate 0:07:13.381 --> 0:07:16.222 for public libraries. And she talks about growing up. She's 0:07:16.262 --> 0:07:18.422 one of like eight or nine kids, and she was 0:07:18.462 --> 0:07:20.502 never allowed to leave the house, none of them unless 0:07:20.502 --> 0:07:21.342 they had a book with them. 0:07:21.462 --> 0:07:21.622 Oh. 0:07:21.662 --> 0:07:24.742 I love that. Can we please talk about the other 0:07:24.821 --> 0:07:27.422 tidbit that has come out of this press tour, which 0:07:27.462 --> 0:07:30.901 is that Sarah Jessica Parker alleges that she reads up 0:07:30.941 --> 0:07:31.662 to two books a day. 0:07:31.902 --> 0:07:34.381 Many books do you read a week or a month? 0:07:34.702 --> 0:07:37.782 Well, right now I'm judging the Booker. So I'm reading 0:07:38.862 --> 0:07:42.262 two books today. Sometimes it's an honor, it's a privilege. 0:07:42.302 --> 0:07:47.702 It's intense to be reading this the volume. Iss, it's 0:07:47.821 --> 0:07:50.662 kind of hard to convey what it's like to have 0:07:51.222 --> 0:07:54.182 as many books as we are given the opportunity to 0:07:54.222 --> 0:07:57.382 read a book. Yeah, it's quite something. 0:07:57.542 --> 0:07:58.382 What do we make of that? 0:07:58.542 --> 0:08:00.542 Well, I've listened to interviews with her before where she 0:08:00.582 --> 0:08:03.862 says that she reads constantly. She's not a social media person, right, 0:08:03.902 --> 0:08:05.701 we all know that she's not a phone person. She 0:08:05.742 --> 0:08:07.662 probably doesn't even have a phone. She's one of those 0:08:07.742 --> 0:08:10.542 I think and shed. 0:08:09.742 --> 0:08:11.742 It's like a giant Jane Nelson character. And she often 0:08:11.821 --> 0:08:12.662 talks a bit like that. 0:08:12.862 --> 0:08:13.302 She does. 0:08:13.662 --> 0:08:15.422 And she says that she reads in the makeup chair. 0:08:15.462 --> 0:08:17.462 Imagine how much time she spends in a makeup chair 0:08:17.502 --> 0:08:20.182 and has done for fifty years. She says that she 0:08:20.222 --> 0:08:22.381 reads on the subway, she reads all the time, she 0:08:22.422 --> 0:08:25.342 reads between takes. She sounds very much like that is 0:08:25.381 --> 0:08:28.622 her passion. And if you are a book of Prize Judge, 0:08:28.622 --> 0:08:30.102 I can't believe she's a Book of Prize Jge. 0:08:30.142 --> 0:08:31.902 That is such a flex go SJP. 0:08:32.102 --> 0:08:35.742 It's such a prestigious literary award in the world, and 0:08:36.142 --> 0:08:38.142 you have to read all the books. 0:08:38.302 --> 0:08:40.222 And makes will That's what she said is she's just 0:08:40.262 --> 0:08:42.862 come off obviously season three of and just like that, 0:08:42.942 --> 0:08:45.622 she's in a period of her career where then she 0:08:45.662 --> 0:08:48.142 has some downtime, so of course she has capacity. I'm like, 0:08:48.342 --> 0:08:50.622 that's the dream to read two books a day. 0:08:50.702 --> 0:08:53.342 But Holly's right, even when you're working as an actor, 0:08:53.702 --> 0:08:55.822 there is so much downtime. That's one of the reasons 0:08:55.822 --> 0:08:58.062 that I can't handle television. And I only went to 0:08:58.062 --> 0:09:01.182 the set one time. There is so much waiting, so 0:09:01.302 --> 0:09:03.462 much waiting. I was listening to the and just like 0:09:03.542 --> 0:09:06.982 that podcast with Michael Patrick King, who is the big 0:09:07.022 --> 0:09:09.502 boss of the show, and he was talking about this 0:09:09.622 --> 0:09:12.702 scene in episode I think it's either two or three 0:09:12.782 --> 0:09:29.062 with the rats I love them, And that was actually 0:09:29.262 --> 0:09:32.102 filmed on the sound stage and they had to keep 0:09:32.542 --> 0:09:35.102 gathering all the rats that I've assumed they were cgr rats. 0:09:35.102 --> 0:09:38.022 They had to gather all the rats and then release 0:09:38.102 --> 0:09:39.942 them again and again, and each time they were trying 0:09:39.942 --> 0:09:41.302 to do that, it took ages and it was two 0:09:41.302 --> 0:09:44.062 o'clock in the morning. You know, so, Carrie, Oh, sorry, 0:09:44.102 --> 0:09:45.942 Satan's ca Park. It does have a lot of time. 0:09:46.062 --> 0:09:48.742 The thing that's shocking to people about this, I think 0:09:48.742 --> 0:09:51.662 about the idea she doesn't watch it is because Jesse's right. 0:09:51.702 --> 0:09:53.342 Lots of actors say they don't watch their work. For 0:09:53.382 --> 0:09:54.862 a lot of them, it's part of their process, Like 0:09:54.942 --> 0:09:56.782 they're like, I do the work and then I have 0:09:56.862 --> 0:10:00.062 to disassociate, which seems very well adjusted, but also a 0:10:00.102 --> 0:10:01.982 tiny bit arrogant in a way, because you learn when 0:10:02.022 --> 0:10:03.702 you watch yourself back, right, But I guess if you've 0:10:03.702 --> 0:10:05.262 been doing it for fifty years, maybe you don't need to. 0:10:05.702 --> 0:10:08.822 But the thing that makes this so strange is Carrie 0:10:08.862 --> 0:10:11.942 Bradshaw is someone that we all know so well. I 0:10:11.982 --> 0:10:13.542 was thinking about it. I don't think there is a 0:10:13.542 --> 0:10:16.302 fictional character that I have probably spent more time with 0:10:16.462 --> 0:10:19.542 in my entire life than Carrie Bradshaw. And so to 0:10:19.622 --> 0:10:22.702 most of us, s JP is Carrie Bradshaw, and it's 0:10:22.782 --> 0:10:25.142 like she's someone that we all know really well. But 0:10:25.182 --> 0:10:27.262 it's like s JP's never met her, you know what 0:10:27.262 --> 0:10:30.182 I mean, Like she doesn't view her the way we 0:10:30.302 --> 0:10:30.702 view her. 0:10:30.742 --> 0:10:33.902 Have you ever listened to Kristin Davis's podcast it's called 0:10:37.262 --> 0:10:41.302 It's Really Weird, and she's very elevated. But anyway, when 0:10:41.302 --> 0:10:43.662 she has s JP on, the whole episode is just 0:10:43.742 --> 0:10:47.182 her explaining to s JP what happened on the show. 0:10:47.702 --> 0:10:50.342 I'm serious, but I have a question for you both 0:10:50.382 --> 0:10:52.222 in terms of it's one thing not to watch you 0:10:52.342 --> 0:10:54.742 work back, and a lot of actors don't I get it. 0:10:55.182 --> 0:10:58.542 We should technically listen back to every episode of this show. 0:10:58.902 --> 0:10:59.542 I don't do. 0:10:59.582 --> 0:10:59.942 You know. 0:11:00.422 --> 0:11:02.782 I go through phases where I do it is the 0:11:02.822 --> 0:11:05.381 way you learn, And then I go through phases where 0:11:05.422 --> 0:11:07.982 I'm like, I couldn't think of anything worse having to 0:11:08.022 --> 0:11:10.342 listen to me because I just go listen to them. 0:11:10.422 --> 0:11:12.542 Number of times I did that, listen to the way 0:11:12.582 --> 0:11:15.422 I said that highly critical And that's what I've heard 0:11:15.422 --> 0:11:17.782 as JP say is I would hate myself, and I've 0:11:17.822 --> 0:11:20.462 heard Reese Witherspoon say the same thing. I would go 0:11:20.502 --> 0:11:22.822 into a self hating spiral. All I can see is 0:11:22.862 --> 0:11:25.342 all the choices I didn't make, all the mistakes I made, 0:11:25.542 --> 0:11:27.582 And I get that, right, Yeah, I. 0:11:27.542 --> 0:11:28.102 Get that too. 0:11:28.142 --> 0:11:30.982 But my question is it's one thing not watching you 0:11:31.062 --> 0:11:34.022 work back, but as an executive producer and star of 0:11:34.062 --> 0:11:38.302 a show, when the whole cultural conversation in the reaction 0:11:38.542 --> 0:11:41.782 to your episode was about the lickic we spoke about it, 0:11:41.822 --> 0:11:44.102 and the week before it was about the funny puppet 0:11:44.142 --> 0:11:47.382 um habit she was wearing. Do you really think she 0:11:47.462 --> 0:11:49.742 doesn't know that? Do you really think she's not aware of. 0:11:49.662 --> 0:11:52.902 The crit conversation? She doesn't know it. And what we 0:11:52.982 --> 0:11:55.342 need to remember is that Sarah Jessica Parker is the 0:11:55.422 --> 0:11:59.102 antithesis of Carrie Bradshaw and for the twenty years of 0:11:59.422 --> 0:12:02.662 The Sex and the City Cannon she has sat down 0:12:02.662 --> 0:12:04.822 for interviews, even the Howard Sterne one was a perfect 0:12:04.822 --> 0:12:08.262 example to be asked questions that I believe make her uncomfortable. 0:12:08.422 --> 0:12:10.102 I don't think she likes talk about. 0:12:10.102 --> 0:12:12.702 Why did she go on Howard Sterne. I, Oh, she didn't. 0:12:12.742 --> 0:12:14.502 That's what she's done it for years. 0:12:14.542 --> 0:12:17.262 But that's what he does. Right as we know, promoting 0:12:17.462 --> 0:12:20.502 a piece of work, a movie album, a TV show 0:12:20.862 --> 0:12:22.422 is very different to what it used to be. You know, 0:12:22.542 --> 0:12:24.942 in the nineties and the early two thousands, you do 0:12:25.142 --> 0:12:27.622 a high profile interview with Vogue, Vanity Fair, you might 0:12:27.622 --> 0:12:30.302 do a cover, you might do a couple of newspaper interviews, 0:12:30.422 --> 0:12:33.382 a couple of TV interviews, one of those junkets. But 0:12:33.542 --> 0:12:36.382 now you've got to go on a chicken shop date 0:12:36.462 --> 0:12:39.822 with ameliads Moldenberg. You've got to eat hot wings for BuzzFeed. 0:12:39.982 --> 0:12:41.742 You've got to go and talk to Howard Stern about 0:12:41.742 --> 0:12:43.542 your sex life. You've got to sit down with call 0:12:43.542 --> 0:12:45.702 her daddy Alex Creeper and talk about your abortion. 0:12:45.822 --> 0:12:48.902 It's like, I don't think you have to if you're SJP. 0:12:49.222 --> 0:12:51.302 I was thinking about this because you're so right that 0:12:51.582 --> 0:12:54.142 whether or not the actor or the producer chooses to 0:12:54.222 --> 0:12:58.182 engage with the conversation. Think about White lotus right, they 0:12:58.222 --> 0:13:00.662 say that Mike White is really into that. 0:13:00.862 --> 0:13:01.462 He loves that. 0:13:02.022 --> 0:13:04.022 But also you can see some of the breakout stars 0:13:04.022 --> 0:13:06.342 of this recent series loved it, like Walton Goggins, Oh 0:13:06.382 --> 0:13:08.462 my God, Like he was the guy who played Rick. 0:13:08.582 --> 0:13:12.182 Now he's said, lean into that so Hardy popped up everywhere. 0:13:12.342 --> 0:13:15.222 Patrick Schwuerzner was everywhere. Patrick Schwarznegger was everywhere. They were 0:13:15.302 --> 0:13:17.622 leaning into it really hard. They were part of that conversation. 0:13:18.342 --> 0:13:21.862 And I think that an actor at the level of SJP, 0:13:22.062 --> 0:13:24.342 who lets be clear, we reference some of the businesses 0:13:24.382 --> 0:13:27.422 she has, it's not like she needs the money. I 0:13:27.462 --> 0:13:30.662 think she genuinely sees it as work and herself very separately, 0:13:30.702 --> 0:13:33.502 and she would be like, I will do four pieces 0:13:33.502 --> 0:13:34.102 of content. 0:13:34.182 --> 0:13:37.942 Well, you're contractually obliged to promote a show when you're 0:13:37.942 --> 0:13:40.182 the star, and the whole point of the show is 0:13:40.342 --> 0:13:43.102 very much around her, and it's sold around her. But 0:13:43.222 --> 0:13:45.862 I do feel it's a little bit disingenuous. Well maybe 0:13:45.862 --> 0:13:49.142 that's just her stick that her publicist didn't go, Hey, 0:13:49.342 --> 0:13:52.102 Howard Stone's probably gonna ask you about the handlicking scene. 0:13:52.182 --> 0:13:54.022 The more I learn about her, the more I love her. 0:13:54.142 --> 0:13:55.222 I think she's fascinating. 0:13:55.302 --> 0:13:57.302 I love her. I think she's the perfect celebrity. There 0:13:57.342 --> 0:13:59.662 was this great anecdote that she told about being in 0:13:59.702 --> 0:14:02.982 an airport. Robbie Williams recently talked about this, having people 0:14:02.982 --> 0:14:05.222 come up and wanting to get a photo, and because 0:14:05.382 --> 0:14:08.222 Sarah Jessica Parker has we believe, never owned a phone, 0:14:08.342 --> 0:14:11.422 she doesn't know what's happening, and she will turn to them. 0:14:11.422 --> 0:14:12.702 And she said, I turned to this woman in the 0:14:12.742 --> 0:14:14.982 airport and said, you have not even said hello to me. 0:14:15.622 --> 0:14:17.622 What I will give you is a conversation, and it 0:14:17.622 --> 0:14:19.622 will be a lot more meaningful than a selfie. I 0:14:19.702 --> 0:14:20.702 just kind of love her. 0:14:20.902 --> 0:14:24.422 She's like from another tongue. I am worried about her 0:14:24.462 --> 0:14:26.382 a little bit in the show. She looks pretty miserable. 0:14:26.542 --> 0:14:28.822 I mean, it would be right that her character would 0:14:28.862 --> 0:14:32.182 be depressed. She's a widow. I think, you know, Big 0:14:32.222 --> 0:14:33.502 didn't die that long ago. 0:14:33.742 --> 0:14:35.662 So funny, That's not how I'm reading it at all. 0:14:35.822 --> 0:14:38.942 I'm really enjoying watching her be sword of single again, 0:14:39.222 --> 0:14:41.782 Like I'm loving seeing her in that house. I'm loving 0:14:41.822 --> 0:14:45.022 seeing her evolve. I think I loved actually the episode 0:14:45.062 --> 0:14:48.582 where she went to Virginia and Aidan's family, because she's 0:14:48.662 --> 0:14:50.302 talked about this, and I think it's true. I know 0:14:50.342 --> 0:14:52.782 everyone hates Carrie, and I'm a vigorous carry apologist. 0:14:52.902 --> 0:14:55.902 Not everyone hates Carrie. She's very polarizing, polarized, but there 0:14:55.902 --> 0:14:58.822 are like entire websites about like why people should hate 0:14:58.822 --> 0:15:01.822 her so much. I actually really like Carrie, and I 0:15:01.862 --> 0:15:04.502 also think that she has changed, and she has you 0:15:04.542 --> 0:15:07.142 think she's I think she's changed, and I think she's going. 0:15:07.582 --> 0:15:09.502 Like what they're trying to show in this these are 0:15:09.542 --> 0:15:12.862 episodes is like her going to Virginia and understanding, actually 0:15:12.942 --> 0:15:15.182 understanding what it means that Aiden has a family rather 0:15:15.222 --> 0:15:17.902 than just the concept of it, you know, and kind 0:15:17.942 --> 0:15:19.022 of tasting. 0:15:18.622 --> 0:15:20.142 That and being like, do I want to be part 0:15:20.142 --> 0:15:23.902 of that? I love the handsome rider downstairs. I'm very 0:15:23.902 --> 0:15:24.262 into it. 0:15:24.342 --> 0:15:26.702 She made a point to about the Carrie hate and 0:15:26.742 --> 0:15:29.702 how there are television shows that have been made about 0:15:29.902 --> 0:15:32.742 mass murderers, you know, a male mass murderer who doesn't 0:15:32.742 --> 0:15:35.982 get half the hate that Carrie Bradshaw does, and how 0:15:35.982 --> 0:15:40.502 there is something deeply sexist about our reading of Carrie. 0:15:40.502 --> 0:15:41.902 And I think that that's very true. 0:15:42.222 --> 0:15:45.222 Is it sexist or is it that we you know, 0:15:45.302 --> 0:15:50.062 we talked on Monday Show about how when people find 0:15:50.062 --> 0:15:53.542 out who their trolls are, it's often someone who's essentially 0:15:53.622 --> 0:15:54.102 jealous of that. 0:15:54.222 --> 0:15:56.662 I don't think we know what to do with complicated I. 0:15:56.542 --> 0:15:59.582 Don't mean jealous necessarily of Carrie. But is it sexist 0:15:59.662 --> 0:16:01.582 or is it what Holly was saying in that we've 0:16:01.582 --> 0:16:04.502 spent so much time we identify with this character, you 0:16:04.502 --> 0:16:05.942 know that whole thing. Are you a Charlotte? 0:16:05.982 --> 0:16:06.502 Are you carry? 0:16:06.502 --> 0:16:09.382 And everyone wanted to be a Carrie that when they 0:16:09.622 --> 0:16:13.102 behave in ways that we don't like, we feel personally. 0:16:12.622 --> 0:16:16.062 Betrayed or do like breaking bad or something like. There 0:16:16.062 --> 0:16:19.102 are shows about complicated men and we follow them every 0:16:19.142 --> 0:16:21.382 step and go I still like him? Has he killed 0:16:21.422 --> 0:16:22.222 forty five people? 0:16:22.422 --> 0:16:22.742 Sure? 0:16:22.902 --> 0:16:27.462 Whereas Carrie makes a morally dubious decision and we go. 0:16:28.142 --> 0:16:29.342 I think that's some wrong with her. 0:16:29.462 --> 0:16:31.702 This is the thing about likable women, right, is that 0:16:32.262 --> 0:16:34.422 I like a lot of women, and some of my 0:16:34.422 --> 0:16:38.422 great friends, and I'm certain also me who are not perfect, 0:16:38.462 --> 0:16:40.982 and who makes selfish decisions sometimes and who sometimes are 0:16:40.982 --> 0:16:43.062 a bit annoying and sometimes are a bit self obsessed 0:16:43.102 --> 0:16:45.502 and sometimes go out with the wrong guy. Like, that's 0:16:45.542 --> 0:16:48.662 what we're actually like. And so I think that all 0:16:48.702 --> 0:16:50.982 the things you can throw at a carry that aren't real, 0:16:51.182 --> 0:16:54.622 you know, obviously obviously, the wardrobe, the money, all that stuff. 0:16:55.182 --> 0:16:57.462 Actually the fact that she's a bit annoying sometimes is 0:16:57.462 --> 0:16:59.662 the most real thing about her. She's also very funny. 0:16:59.702 --> 0:17:01.542 I love watching her. I think she gets the best lines. 0:17:01.662 --> 0:17:03.582 I like the lines on her face and on the edge. 0:17:03.582 --> 0:17:04.302 I'm a big fan. 0:17:04.581 --> 0:17:07.822 Yeah, I think the criticism when I feel frustrated with her, 0:17:07.821 --> 0:17:11.381 it's because she hasn't evolved, not because she has. Like 0:17:11.422 --> 0:17:14.821 the whole thing with the shoes just feels so one note, 0:17:14.901 --> 0:17:17.661 and the you know that whole storyline where it was 0:17:17.702 --> 0:17:19.981 the thumbs up emoji or the thumbs down, like it 0:17:20.101 --> 0:17:24.061 just seems very stuck in the nineties, both with her 0:17:24.061 --> 0:17:26.581 cultural references, you know, when she was like, oh little 0:17:26.581 --> 0:17:30.542 house on the carry instead of there's no trad wife reference. 0:17:30.581 --> 0:17:33.581 It's almost like she exists, not in this world. 0:17:33.621 --> 0:17:35.421 But I think she does. Carry. 0:17:35.502 --> 0:17:39.141 Isn't a TikTok person, Not every woman who certainly the 0:17:39.262 --> 0:17:42.702 age that she is as plugged into the zeitgeist as 0:17:42.742 --> 0:17:45.742 you are. I mean, as cool and relevant and youthful 0:17:45.742 --> 0:17:46.782 as you are, my friend. 0:17:47.942 --> 0:17:51.061 After the break, what is an acceptable amount of time 0:17:51.262 --> 0:17:56.022