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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore

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Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 2: a series of conversations on finding a life you love

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Speaker 2: the same, having been touched in some way by her

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Ceza.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, thank you so much for being so patient.

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's always one guest where all of

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Speaker 1: And my gorgeous father in law, love him to death,

439
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 1: but I remember him being like, seys you need a

440
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,359
Speaker 1: business plan, and I was just like, you know what

441
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,919
Speaker 1: if I have to do a business plan, I'm never

442
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,400
Speaker 1: going to start the business, like literally, like I just

443
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 1: so that I need to jump in, work it all

444
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 1: out when I'm in it, and I'll know pretty quickly

445
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 1: whether it's viable or not, whether it's going to work.

446
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 1: That's just the way my mind works. And people would

447
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,400
Speaker 1: sit there going that's madness, But that's sort.

448
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 3: Of what I did.

449
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 1: I was just a bit like we started from home.

450
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,640
Speaker 1: We started on a very small scale, friends and family,

451
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 1: working out quantities. You know, we got twelve orders of

452
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 1: lemon grass beef. I would go down, Mum would go

453
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 1: down to the supermarket, buy all the staff, come home,

454
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 1: make it all literally just it has tiny yes yeah yeah,

455
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 1: and then would stack it all up, go around delivering

456
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 1: like it was a very yeah, bootstrapped startup, like it

457
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,159
Speaker 1: just didn't have any money, that kind of thing, and

458
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,120
Speaker 1: we just worked it out along the way really like.

459
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 3: There was no bought stuff when we needed to buy stuff.

460
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 1: Like I feel like when some people say, you know,

461
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 1: what do you need to start your own business? I

462
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 1: think a massive part of what you need is grit

463
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 1: and determination to kind of get through, because I feel

464
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 1: for most people when they start their own thing, they

465
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 1: don't necessarily, as you say, unless it's a family business

466
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 1: or something they've sort of done before. You don't know

467
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and you are learning on the go

468
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: all the time, and it's exhausting, it's so full on

469
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: at times, it's terrifying.

470
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 3: It's you know, you're in tears on the floor, all

471
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 3: of that sort of stuff.

472
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: But I think for the most part, for me, it

473
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: was grit and determination and what I really wanted to achieve.

474
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: That just got me through and you learned along.

475
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 3: The way, picked it up.

476
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: Fuck, we're really you know, everything's about like we only

477
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: hired a staff member when we're about to lose our

478
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: shit because.

479
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 3: We didn't have enough people like it. Just there was

480
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 3: no method to my madness.

481
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

482
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 3: Then it was just like I was.

483
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: Twenty seven years old, wanted to work in food, wanted

484
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: to I never wanted to work for someone else. That's

485
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 1: just the way I am. So that's kind of how

486
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: it just came about. It wasn't very calculate.

487
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 2: No. I was exactly the same with Matchmaiden, and I

488
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 2: say this to people often. It's obviously very dependent on

489
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 2: the type of business. Some businesses you need to be

490
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: a lot more organized. But in many, many cases, the

491
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 2: answer to that question of what do you need to

492
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 2: start a business is often a lot less than you

493
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 2: actually think. Because you didn't launch to a thousand customers

494
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: all over Australia in one day. Yeah, Like you grew

495
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: into the business that you ended up having, and so

496
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 2: you didn't actually need more than what you needed on

497
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 2: day in the beginning, yeah, and then day ten and

498
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: then you kind of ye grow into it. And I

499
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: think a lot of people don't get started because they're

500
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: so overwhelmed by what they need at day thousand and

501
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: you're like, wait, you're not there.

502
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that, don't worry about your business cards,

503
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: all that, it can all come. Just start doing the

504
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: thing that you want to do. And I always say

505
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: do it along side another job if you can, So

506
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: started as a side hustle if you can, because then

507
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: the pressure is off a little bit. You're not you know,

508
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: and that's also not easy if you know, for example,

509
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: if you're a mum and you've got kids and you're

510
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: on maternity leave or whatever you're doing, and you sort

511
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: of start to have a draw towards something else, you

512
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: can't really try and do the kids and the old

513
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 1: job and the new thing. But that's what was okay

514
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: for me. I started two pounds while still working part

515
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: time in teaching, so I hadn't had your kids yet.

516
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: I hadn't had my kids yet. I had litl about

517
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: a year into the business. But it's sort of there

518
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: was always that nice and I also have my husband

519
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: that I've been with for ages, but it was a

520
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: nice safety net to fall back on, you know, if

521
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: two pounds didn't work out, I still had my teaching degree.

522
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 3: There was still something there in a back up. Yeah.

523
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: At what point did you realize that you could leave?

524
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 2: And was that like a big financial moment that you

525
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 2: planned for or did you just have a feeling. I

526
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 2: just you were just like I can't go back.

527
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just we got through.

528
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: I sort of did about eighteen months of emergency teaching,

529
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: and then we had grown quite a bit and it

530
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: was like we can't I can't do this out of

531
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: my apartment anymore. So we needed a lease kitchen, and

532
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: we needed a lease space and we secured that in Malven,

533
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: and so it was.

534
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 3: A bit like, well, I've got this lease space, now

535
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 3: I have to give it everything. So it was very

536
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: much like.

537
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: I can feel we're growing, and I can see that's

538
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: when I wanted to start catering and doing different things

539
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: alongside the take on meal. So it was just a

540
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: bit like it's now and ever, you just got to

541
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: bite the bullet and do it. And I weirdly do

542
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: always have the mindset of if it doesn't work out,

543
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: it's okay, like you can always go back to teaching,

544
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: or you might have lost a lot. And we didn't

545
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: put a huge investment into even at that stage. It

546
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: was a very basic kitchen in Malven that we sort

547
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: of did up. My friends and family all showed up.

548
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: It was this. Yeah, it was a pretty much piece

549
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 3: of shit that.

550
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: We leased and just polishing a turn over there, yes, yeah,

551
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: definitely that's a lot of business polishing turn yeah, absolutely, And.

552
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: Before we moved in, it was all my friends and

553
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: family that came down and got a paint brush, got

554
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: their hands dirty, painted walls, fixed things, drilled things in.

555
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: My father and Laura and my husband were incredible, but

556
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: all my friends and family showed up for two weeks

557
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: in January, and it was I often think back to

558
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: that time, I'm like, Wow, it's you just should never

559
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: forget the people that kind of were there when they

560
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: weren't getting anything out of it. They weren't getting anything back.

561
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: They were just happy to come and give their time

562
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: and part of the right. Yes, definitely so, and that's

563
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: how it kind of started.

564
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: I love looking back at those memories. It's quite exhilarating

565
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: to think about all of you being so bright eyed

566
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: and excited about what's coming next in a really beautiful way.

567
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: To think about how exciting that time was. Yeah, definitely,

568
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: But I don't know about you. I also found that

569
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: that first couple of years was so exhilarating because I

570
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: didn't have a plan, because I was winging it and

571
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: learning so much on the go. And every time we

572
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: would make a big change, like you've mentioned a couple

573
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: of times now, it was driven by extreme discomfort, more

574
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: like a pain point where you like, something's not working,

575
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: I need to get a new kid journey. I was

576
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: very reactive. I'd only make changes if it was absolutely

577
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: impossible to continue in any other way. But I think

578
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: there comes a point in any scaling process where you're like,

579
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: I can't decide like that anymore. I have to look

580
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: forward a little bit and become a tiny bit more

581
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: organized or forward thinking if I want to not burn out. Yeah,

582
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: and also to actually scale beyond just me doing everything manually.

583
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: And that's also when it becomes a little bit more serious.

584
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: And I kind of feel like that exhilaration dulled for

585
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: a little bit around that time, where I was like, Eh,

586
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 2: this is serious.

587
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, and stressful and stressful because it's not all

588
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: on you and it's not just Yeah.

589
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: Did you have a moment in that eight years where

590
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: you were like, oh, okay, I need to make proactive

591
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: scaling decisions.

592
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: Yes, one of them, even though this is in a

593
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: sense a reactive decision. But it was getting pregnant with

594
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: lil because I cooked everything so and I didn't have

595
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: any processes zither, so it was all in my head

596
00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: and wait.

597
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 2: It yeah, yeah, no one can even help you cook.

598
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: No, And my mum would come in and my mother

599
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: in law, like it was just very relaxed. We had

600
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: sort of casual chefs here and there. But then you know,

601
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: Lil was planned, but it was one of those things

602
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: that once I got pregnant, it was a bit like,

603
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: oh God.

604
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: I can't do this.

605
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's going to fill my place? So and that's

606
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: where you know, looking at staff and looking at chefs

607
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: and bringing them in. At the time, I thought it

608
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: was going to be and it was hard because you know,

609
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: I had to step away, and not that I was

610
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: a control freak, but it was all that I did

611
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: and all that I knew at the time. So I

612
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: sort of was very panicked about leaving. But it turned

613
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: out to be great because it meant that I was

614
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: paying chefs, you know, it meant that I did write,

615
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: you know, start writing all my recipe cards, that all

616
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: of them were then available in the kitchen for whoever

617
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: chef you know, was working on that day to come

618
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: in and be able to pick up and learn and

619
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: that sort of thing.

620
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: It forced me out of the.

621
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: Kitchen and then I was able to work more on

622
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: growing the business and where we wanted to take it,

623
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: bringing the whole catering, you know, being able to advertise

624
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: for that and get my name out there for that.

625
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: So as much, which is it was a reactive decision

626
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: because I was pregnant, but it also then meant that

627
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: I did plan for the future more from.

628
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: Stepping out of the kitchen. So it was great in

629
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: that sense.

630
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: And suddenly you're not the bond and yes, in a

631
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: really exciting way, takes a pressure off your shoulders from

632
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: doing it.

633
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: All, definitely, But then it did take the pressure off

634
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: my shoulders, But then I feel like it adds another

635
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: pressure of like, now you're paying people. Yeah, that's their livelihood.

636
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: They pay their rent with that money, they buy their food.

637
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: Like it's like now the work has to come in

638
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: and it has to be sustainable because yeah, I was

639
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: just never going to be someone that wanted to let

640
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: staff go. So yeah, so for give out one stress

641
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: for another stress.

642
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I feel like that's also parenting, just like

643
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: getting over one hard to have a new heart, but

644
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: you also get a new magical and strength from it, Yeah,

645
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: a new joy. Yeah. So one thing that I also

646
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: love to talk about on this show is how in

647
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: the pathway, all of these decisions and steps are being

648
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: influenced by our motivation for either success or fulfillment or

649
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: whatever metrics we're using. To measure our life, because I

650
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of us start out measuring things

651
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: one way based on the kind of external financial factors

652
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: or prestige or what everyone else thinks societal norms, and

653
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: then at some point you realize, actually, I'm the one

654
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: that has to live this life day to day, and

655
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: a lot of those things don't make me happy anymore.

656
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: COVID kind of was a great leveler for a lot

657
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: of us in that created a pause, kind of like

658
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: maternityly for a lot of people, where you're suddenly like,

659
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've got this. I got off the

660
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: off the sort of treadmill productivity, and I can stop

661
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: and look around and be like, oh my god. Immediately

662
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: pre COVID, what state was two pounds in? How are

663
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: you feeling about where you were at? Did you feel

664
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: successful not knowing what was immediately around the corner? Where

665
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: were you at that stage?

666
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: It was actually a really exciting stage, which now it's

667
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: all you know. COVID was the silver lining now with

668
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: how the journey turned. But at this time I had

669
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: been working up to try to do a whole lot

670
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: of private property weddings around Victoria, so I'd spent sort

671
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: of four or five years really trying to you know,

672
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: we were doing small scale weddings in the private home

673
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: but also at venues, and then we had all of

674
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: a sudden we'd sort of done a couple, had them

675
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 1: under our belt, learned a whole lot, and because they

676
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: all went extremely well, the people had, you know, shared

677
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: us as a recommendation. So pre right before COVID, we

678
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: pretty much nearly had a year, a calendar year full

679
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: of weddings, and so that was what I had worked

680
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: so hard to try and achieve. So it was I

681
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: don't know how long. It's so funny as well, when

682
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: you look back, I'm like, I probably was burnt out

683
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: within the business for the last few years, but again

684
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: that grit and determination of just like NAP, I have

685
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: to get there.

686
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: I did notice.

687
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how long. I mean, I love what

688
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: I do now, but you know, I say to my

689
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: husband quite a lot. If COVID didn't happen, I would

690
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: have continued with two power until it completely rowed me

691
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: into the ground. Yeah it is because and I'm like, wow,

692
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: where does that weird fucking determinate like when do you

693
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: know when to stop?

694
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: Kind of thing?

695
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: So Sarah's Dome. We just don't generally know the universe

696
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: has to go. Hey, here's a pandemic, yes see exactly.

697
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: So we were in a really good place so once

698
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: at first he obviously was the unknown for months for people,

699
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: but we pretty much shut down for two years because

700
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: you weren't able to be in a private home, you

701
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: weren't able to be on a private property.

702
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: So it was this stop start.

703
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: Even you know after However, many I feel like people

704
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: are so overhearing about the Victorian lockdowns.

705
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: But it's sort of like if you go back to

706
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: the time many two.

707
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: Years of almost the world being shut down, sorry, our

708
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: state being shut down in a sense, and we all

709
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: went a bit that shit crazy of like donut aiming

710
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: for donut days and like all this stuff to be

711
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: out because that was what my business like relied on.

712
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: So as soon as we got two weeks of donut days,

713
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: we were allowed ten people in the home and that

714
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: was meant work for me. So I was like this

715
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: psycho that would sit and watch the eleven o'clock bloody

716
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: press conference every fucking day waiting to see what that

717
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: nutcase would say so that I would know whether I

718
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: could run my business or not, and that became exhausting. Obviously,

719
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: we tried to do our take home meals because we

720
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: were allowed to do that and I wanted to keep

721
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: employing my staff.

722
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: We were losing money.

723
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: I had two lease spaces by that point, I was

724
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: pouring money into the ground. So it's sort of while

725
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: we were on a great trajectory before COVID hit, it

726
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: all came crashing down very very quickly.

727
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean, as incredibly tragic and challenging

728
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: as that was and is for many businesses and business owners,

729
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: I do also love talking about that time with people

730
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: like you who have been able to turn it into

731
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: something that now you look back and you're like, I

732
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't be here totally without that. So not that you

733
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: kind of would wish it upon someone to go through

734
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: something so traumatic, to have your entire business kind of

735
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: sent back to zero, but it is a beautiful example

736
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: of how you can rebuild like a phoenix, that you know,

737
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 2: out of the ashes, you can kind of find the

738
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: redirection and maybe short of a pandemic, you can engender

739
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: those changes by yourself without having a complete meltdown. But

740
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: what was the process, Because I think that middle bit

741
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: where before you realize what the silver lining is. Yes, horrendous, Yes, yes,

742
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: You've got no identity, you have no direction, you don't know.

743
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: I mean there's so much uncertainty. Where was the grit

744
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: in you to go? Actually, I can make something else.

745
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: Of this, yeah, for sure.

746
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: So first you was pretty much trying to do the

747
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: take on meals. I was also pregnant with Penny, my

748
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: second Oh.

749
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: My gosh, that had just happened.

750
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: So I got pregnant with her in early March, and

751
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: then COVID hit mid March twenty twenty for us here

752
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: in Australia, So that was really stressful because it was

753
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: really like, oh my god, is my business even going

754
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: to survive? But just you're pregnant, so be healthy. Be healthy,

755
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, like China, just channel positive energy. So I

756
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: fought that year to try and keep it alive. And

757
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: then because we were just pouring money down the drain,

758
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: my husband and I decided for the second year we'd

759
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: just sit tight and a couple of my staff members

760
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: were able to get job keeper, which made me happy,

761
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: and we were just like oh, and then it was

762
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: sort of about four or five months into the second year,

763
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: so twenty twenty one where I was just like, this

764
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: is just shit and I can't do anything. I can't

765
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: it's so not how my mind works, Like Penny had

766
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: been born in November and so and I'm not I

767
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: love obviously, I love my girls, but I'm not a

768
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: big newborn mum. Most people, I think would have just

769
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: been like, I'm going to focus on myne yborn. But

770
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: it's just like the way that I was very content

771
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: with Penno, but I also my mind was wandering as

772
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: to what am I going to do? What's going to

773
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: happen with two pounds? You need to be doing something

774
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: to stimulate your mind. So that's where it's sort of

775
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: like I can't do anything with two pounds because we

776
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: literally as soon as we plan something, we get a

777
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: lockdown call and everything shuts down. We had so many

778
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: weddings that were planned like on the day and then

779
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: a lockdown was called, and the amount of money that

780
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: went into food, like preparing it all, the venue, what

781
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: we'd done there, the staff, because I had to pay

782
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: staff some money. So it was just like that was

783
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: just not an option to do. And so I was

784
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: sort of sitting around and chatting to my husband and

785
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: sort of said, I really want to buy a good

786
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: camera and I want to start filming my recipes. And

787
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: I don't know where that came from or you look

788
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: back now and you're like, what, I drive past this

789
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: Harvey Norman that's in Morabin because we were down in

790
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: the Mornington Peninsula, which you couldn't bloody pass the Ring

791
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: of Steel unless it was for work and you had

792
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: a write up thing. And I look at that Harvey

793
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: Normans where I bought my Canon camera, not a great

794
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: camera but still a camera I couldn't afford at the time,

795
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: and I just always had this little it almost makes

796
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: me teary, but like this little like oh my god,

797
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: I can't believe that you.

798
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: Thought to go and do that, and like where did

799
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: that come from?

800
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Where you were sort of like, I'm going to start

801
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: filming my recipes and I'm going to put them up

802
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: online on an Instagram page and hope people love them.

803
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: And my husband was very into the idea reels had

804
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: just started. He was like, I feel like these real things.

805
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: It's got a lot, you know, there's something there, go

806
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: do it like And that's also what I love that

807
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: he was never just like just stop like just chill,

808
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: like he knows me so well that he was.

809
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: Like, you need to held it.

810
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Do it, like, go do it. So bought the camera

811
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: and no idea how to use it watch YouTube videos.

812
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: It was a Daslr camera that yes, I'd never kind

813
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: of done photography before, so it took a long time

814
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, work out how to use it.

815
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 3: Now I just use my phone, but set up a tripod.

816
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: My husband made a tripod out of my daughter's you know.

817
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: Those flooding toy one of they called the a frame

818
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: things that you're sitting on the rug and pop them

819
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: above it, and built a little tripod out of that

820
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: and just started filming recipes, started The Wholesome by Sarah

821
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: Page and started putting up about five a week, and yeah,

822
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: it sort of just.

823
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: Grew from there. Yeah.

824
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: See, it kind of is a lockdown story, but it's

825
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: also not because it's anyone who has experienced anything in

826
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: their life that has meant they've felt like they've been

827
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 2: at rock bottom and they've lost everything. It could be

828
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: a redundancy, it could be you've had to move countries

829
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: and start again. Like there's so many reasons why someone

830
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: listening to this story. I might go, oh, but there's

831
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: a Harvey Norman in my rabin, like they just need

832
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: their Harvy Norman in morabit. Totally.

833
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: It's just a moment of like.

834
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, I feel like sometimes you think that

835
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 2: these stories are going to come out of the big

836
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: epiphany that you had and you were watching Oprah and

837
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: she said this thing to you, and then and like

838
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: sometimes it happens the clouds open and the god rays

839
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: come down, and you know, but sometimes it's I drove fast,

840
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: harving Norman and I just went.

841
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: In Yeah, and I just went in bord a camera,

842
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: had no fucking idea what I was doing. Worked it

843
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: out again, worked it out along the way. I didn't

844
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: have really a plan. The plan was to start an

845
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: Instagram page share my recipes. I was like, what makes

846
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: me happy, Cooking makes me happy. I want to start

847
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: to do that again, and I'll share it with whoever

848
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: wants to listen. And yeah, started. I'm sorry I should

849
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: say I did start sharing because I'd built it a

850
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: small following on my two pounds page by then. So

851
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: shared thirty days of a series of recipes then and

852
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: was quite blown away with people liking the recipes and

853
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: cooking them and giving me feedback and commenting that. I

854
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: sort of thought, Yep, I'm going to do the page

855
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: and get going out. It was so funny at the

856
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: time because we had had we were about to open up.

857
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: It was like when people had been vaxed and all

858
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: of that awful stuff, and we're about to open up

859
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: that October November of was it twenty twenty one, Yes,

860
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: And I had a backlog of about eight months of

861
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: weddings that were going to be Friday and Saturday night

862
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: for the next eight months. And I said to my

863
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: husband and sister, I'm just going to do this, and

864
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, you've got heaps two pounds about

865
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: to open up, and I was like, Yep, I know,

866
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: but I just want to do this. If I don't

867
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: start the Instagram page, I'll never do it. So I'm

868
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: just going to start it and I'll do the weddings.

869
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: And then next year and I came back in March

870
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: after like a crazy season, and you.

871
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: Did all the weddings, you caught them.

872
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: It was still some to come, but we had we

873
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: had four months where we were slammed the whole time,

874
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: and then Yeah, came back and was like, I'll start

875
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: posting consistently on the Wholesome page.

876
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: And that's where about a month later it started growing.

877
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: And then you stopped two pounds.

878
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I kept going with two pounds for another eighteen months.

879
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: But by then it was so hard anyone in the

880
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: hospital world would know this staff. They'd all gone during COVID,

881
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: all our brilliant, wonderful hospo staff, casual staff, stuff from overseas.

882
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: They'd all had to go and get other jobs throughout

883
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: that pandemic period. And fair enough, so we just got

884
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: left with the dad's notch and say that I was paying.

885
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: I was paying nineteen year olds about one hundred dollars

886
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: an hour cash.

887
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just still turn up.

888
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: Every young person had the COVID excuse when they did

889
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: want to shop up to a job, and you couldn't

890
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: question it.

891
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 3: It just turned.

892
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: We sort of tried to keep it going, but it

893
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: just got so so tricky. And then, you know, with

894
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: the safety net of Wholesome, after that year and a

895
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: half starting to sort of grow and I saw a

896
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: huge potential there. I just decided we even went down

897
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: the path of looking to sell it. We had a

898
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: couple of potential buyers, but they were sort of saying

899
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: it was too branded to me and my name, and

900
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: I totally get that. And I just said to my husband,

901
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm done. I can't actually I have to shut the doors.

902
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: I just can't even go through a process of trying

903
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: to sell it for a year. I don't have it

904
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: left in me after the last two years. So it

905
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: was just like, shut the doors and we're done.

906
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: It's so interesting that every time you finish an answer,

907
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: I go, it's so interesting, because it is so interesting

908
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: everything that you was in. There is so much ego

909
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: tied into having a business and running a business, particularly

910
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: when it is associated very closely to you personally and

911
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: you delivering to your customers and the community you've grown,

912
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: and especially if you have gone and tried to sell

913
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: it and then have chosen not to do that and

914
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: to close it for your own happiness. I think that

915
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: for a lot of people would be an extremely difficult

916
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: decision to make because it hurts. Yeah, it might be

917
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: perceived like a failure. Closing your business voluntarily is sort

918
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: of like saying, oh, it didn't work or it's not working. Definitely,

919
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: But I love that you were like I was unhappy

920
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: I was like, I cannot do that. I cannot give

921
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: another year of my life to this. And that's actually

922
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: the only thing that should be a consideration in that decision. Yes,

923
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: and in all the other ways that you've made decisions

924
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: to go towards the next project, it's also been based

925
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: on I just had this feeling that like, I need

926
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: to try this because future men will regret that. And

927
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: that is how I make all my decisions. It's am

928
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: I going to be happy or unhappy from this? And

929
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: is future me going to hate this or not?

930
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: Yes?

931
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: I think that sets you in really good stead to

932
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: be happy.

933
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: Definitely, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, just And that's exactly right.

934
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: And as you're aware, like especially once you have children

935
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: and your priorities do change in terms of you know,

936
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: what you find. I mean, you know, the idea of

937
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: success is different to everyone, but after having kids and

938
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: getting older, it shifts in in many ways.

939
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: Of what it might have been in your twenties.

940
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: So you do need to think about the work you

941
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: want to be doing alongside the rest of your life

942
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: and is as you say, is that going to make

943
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: you happy? And you know, are you going to regret

944
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: doing whatever? And I'm always give it a shot, you know,

945
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: if you feel like you want to try something or

946
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: do it, But yes, it sort of has to ultimately

947
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the day fulfill you.

948
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: Ye, yes, which it looks like Holshm by Sarah is

949
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 2: doing incredibly for you. So talk to us about how

950
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: you went from just starting with a camera, having no

951
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: idea about you know, reels were so new, not having

952
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: this community that was following you, and now having a

953
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: million people in that community and now it's like your

954
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: full time gig for anyone who might want to follow

955
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: in your pathway or who's just curious about how things work.

956
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: When did you get to the point where you were like,

957
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: I could monetize this, it could be a job. How

958
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: did you do that? At what point did the book

959
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: deal come up? And then for anyone else growing a community,

960
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: do you have any tips for like how do you

961
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: go from zero to a million? Yeah?

962
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: And also when you were just saying that, I forgot

963
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: to mention because I actually feel like this is important too.

964
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: When I had started wholesome and I was so I

965
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: was on the Instagram, I was like, I did start

966
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: to grow quite quickly for the time, but I also

967
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: was doing and again, I feel like this comes back

968
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: to the determination and the grit. I was filming food

969
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: reels for other businesses, so I just dan then I'd

970
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: got on you know, certain brands, being like I'd love to.

971
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: Do you know.

972
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: I saw that these reels were sort of taking off

973
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: and you know, people were starting to turn in that direction.

974
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: So I was messaging brands saying, hey, you know, I've

975
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: started doing this on the side, I'd love to film

976
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: a bundle of four recipe reels for you to showcase

977
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: or can I put it together in a package.

978
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 3: And I think I was charging something like two hundred

979
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: dollars a real.

980
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: Witch back then whoa absolutely nothing but that I was

981
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: just like, you're starting out, so that's what you do.

982
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: Like reels weren't really a thing. No one kind of

983
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: knew the value of, you know, what they were going

984
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: to be. So I was doing that for a couple

985
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: of brands, probably five brands for the first year. Yeah,

986
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: and that's where the money was coming in. And obviously

987
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: like not small amounts, but in terms of what I

988
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: was doing catering wise and that.

989
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: Sort of thing.

990
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: Yes, bits and pieces, but I was like, you know what,

991
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: at least something's coming in, so there is you know,

992
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: something here and then you know, then I landed like

993
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: Ocean Spray, which was a longer term client. That that's

994
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: where and this was alongside my growth as well. That

995
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: that's where it first switched. And they were like, we

996
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: would like you to share our recipes on your page

997
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: and we'll charge it.

998
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: We'll pay you this and I was a bit like,

999
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: oh wow, that's great, like.

1000
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: Sure coming from doing that anyway exactly.

1001
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: So and then that sort of I started to learn

1002
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: a bit of the yeah because again this was all

1003
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: new to me. It was new to everyone basically that yeah,

1004
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: because reels kind of didn't exist, so I was learning.

1005
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there'd always been still images and promotion in

1006
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: that sense, but video was different. So it was sort

1007
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: of like just trial and error. This is working love

1008
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: that brand. Love. I also was like, I want to

1009
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: just work with good people, so it was you know,

1010
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: alongside that as well, teaming up with great people.

1011
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: And then got a management.

1012
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: Team probably about a year and a half in and

1013
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: I sort of I think I'd hit about seventy K

1014
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: and was growing quite quickly, and a few people said

1015
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: to me, I think you need a manager, and I

1016
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: was sort of like what do I Okay, what is that?

1017
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm happy to manage my stuff and anyway,

1018
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: I had a few I I'm now still with the

1019
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: same manager that I started with incredible and had a

1020
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: conversation with Grace and we're on the phone for two hours.

1021
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: She just had her first baby and anyway, hung up

1022
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: the phone. I was like, oh yeah, I am signing

1023
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: with them straight up.

1024
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: And to have worked with them. They're just we had

1025
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: dinner last week for out.

1026
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: They're all around sort of Australia, Brisbane and Sydney and Melbourne,

1027
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: but just a wonderful, wonderful team and that's where more

1028
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: of the jobs come in. It's you know, they charge

1029
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: way more than I ever would have had or like

1030
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: I would have taken forever to do. Yes, So that's

1031
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: been really wonderful as well. Yeah, yeah, alongside the wholesome brand.

1032
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: You don't have to answer this. It's incredibly nosy. No

1033
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: for people who don't know. As someone with a million followers,

1034
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: what would be the most you have ever been paid

1035
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: for a post?

1036
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: I think if it's once.

1037
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: So most of the time the bigger ones that I

1038
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: get are sort of like a bundle yeah, like a collection, yeah,

1039
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: or sort of like three reels usage, this sort of

1040
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So to put a ballpark on that,

1041
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: they're usually sort of twenty five thirty thousand dollars.

1042
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

1043
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I got amazed about with getting

1044
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: a management team. So when you know they pay for

1045
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: usage or their own promotion that then they can use

1046
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: for footage.

1047
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: I'm just a bit like, that's.

1048
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: A lot of extra. I don't do the same amount

1049
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: of word. That's where I should get it. Yeah, It's

1050
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: been used quite exactly.

1051
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: And that's what I've come to realize as well, because

1052
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: I think there's lots of people out there that sort

1053
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: of go, WHOA are you kidding it. It's like, well,

1054
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: if I'm sharing it to a million people that are

1055
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: targeted audiences, you know that trust me? Yeah?

1056
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

1057
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing.

1058
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: I'll never say yes to a brand or a product

1059
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't trust or I haven't used before, or that

1060
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: I don't think my community are actually going to get

1061
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: something out of.

1062
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean last very long.

1063
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people can see through that very quickly.

1064
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: And it's also just not me to sort of go.

1065
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: Like cool, I'll just say yes to that and yes

1066
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: to that.

1067
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: Like I think anyone who's listening can tell that you

1068
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't just be like flogging yourself away, let's.

1069
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: Just get in as much money as No, I'm not

1070
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: like that.

1071
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: It just needs to be meaningful for me or for

1072
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: my audience or you know, give value.

1073
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: So that's what I have learned.

1074
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: I have learned that it's it is a form of advertising,

1075
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: and that's where I need to be careful because I

1076
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: don't want to turn into this selling machine.

1077
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: It's not why I do what I do.

1078
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: It's been a wonderful bonus, you know, coming from what

1079
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: I love to do, which is cook in my own

1080
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: kitchen in my fucking ug boots most of the time,

1081
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: which I'm like, wow, how to try my job creating

1082
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: much yeah, and film and then share it and people

1083
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: get value out of it.

1084
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 3: It's it's actually incredible.

1085
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: So the brand partnerships and my ivy team are wonderful,

1086
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: but they're an incredible bonus that came out of something

1087
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: that yes, exactly.

1088
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 2: You can tell from watching your content that it lights

1089
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: you up and that you would do it anyway. Yes.

1090
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1091
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: The most enjoyable creators to follow are the ones who

1092
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: have a career doing what they do, which is a

1093
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: side effect of the fact that they would do it

1094
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: anyway because they love making that kind of content. And

1095
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: it's just you know, some of the makeup creators, I'm like,

1096
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: you would still film these exact videos even if they

1097
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: weren't sponsored. You would still use that exact same thing

1098
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: because that's just what you love doing. Yes, which I

1099
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: love about you, And thank you so much for being

1100
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: so generous, because not everyone is so old. It's really

1101
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: interesting who don't understand how it all works. Is there

1102
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: any part of you, and I have grappled with this

1103
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: a little bit over the years, is there any part

1104
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: of you that felt that going from a business owner

1105
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: that was very clear what you did, your offering was

1106
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: very tangible to being an influencer now that was hard

1107
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: to adjust to meant like psychologically, because I feel like

1108
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: sometimes there's connotations with us being content creators, even the

1109
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: fact that we say content creator now instead of influencer,

1110
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: I like get paid to like make stuff on the internet.

1111
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: And also is that stable, Like what was your psychological adjustment?

1112
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: Mine was?

1113
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't say so. For the time that I, you know,

1114
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: wholesome had was building an audience and people were starting

1115
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: to kind of become aware of who I was.

1116
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 3: I still cater it. So when anyone that I met

1117
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 3: would say what do you do, I'd say I'm a

1118
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: caterer because I do.

1119
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: Would bring myself to say influencer, like I was just like,

1120
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: and look, there's nothing I think influence, you know, the

1121
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: general term of that they get a bad rap and

1122
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: I think there's lots of also tall poppy syndrome in

1123
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: Australia where you know, if someone is doing well online,

1124
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: it's very easy for them to come crashing down from

1125
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: people just tearing them down after one decision or choice.

1126
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: So it's sort of I'm not putting them in a

1127
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: bag of you know and saying I don't want to

1128
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: be an influencer, because at the crux of things, I

1129
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: actually do influence. I influenced people to cook my kind

1130
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: of meals. So but it's sort of I think people

1131
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: have a negative connotation to that word, and I don't

1132
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: know where that comes from, but because actually there are

1133
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: lots of different influences out there. And I always say

1134
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: the Internet is fantastic, Instagram, social media is fantastic for

1135
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: many many things, but it's also terrible for many many things,

1136
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: for our young people and that sort of thing.

1137
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: But it's yeah. So I sort of for the first

1138
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 3: eighteen months couldn't say influencer.

1139
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: And then when I close my catering company, I was

1140
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: a bit like, oh god, now I.

1141
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: Must say to say.

1142
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: So it was a bit of I say, content creator,

1143
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't tell what you say now, yes, but I

1144
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: sort of say, it's really funny. It's not that i'm

1145
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: It's not that I am not confident in what I

1146
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: do or I'm not proud of what I do, but

1147
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: I just it's just not me to blurt out like, oh,

1148
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: I'm a content creator, I've got a million followers. I'm

1149
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: also an author, a best selling author. I'm also like,

1150
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: it's just not.

1151
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: Me to do that.

1152
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: So I often get a bit overwhelmed and I just say,

1153
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: oh I cook.

1154
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say say, so I just say,

1155
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: oh I cook, and I'm like, you know what, that's enough.

1156
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: If they want to work out what I do, that's fine.

1157
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: But I don't need to go around telling people about

1158
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: my accolte, like it's just not who I am. Like,

1159
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: so I'm like, you've I love cooking, and food. They'll

1160
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: probably find me online. I don't need to go around

1161
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: telling everyone. So yeah, it's sort of moved from caterer

1162
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: to content creator. But then sometimes people are so confused

1163
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: by that, so they're like, what does that mean. I'm like, ah,

1164
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: sort of feel my recipes and I put them up online.

1165
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: And that's sort of where I stop.

1166
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you need like a poulpoint presentation. Yeah, is

1167
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: this explained all? Yeah? Well, also published author best selling

1168
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: all I know, which I'm super proud of.

1169
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't not say that because I'm not, Like, it

1170
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: was also always a dream of mine to publish a cookbook.

1171
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, again, I'm not going to go around being like, oh, yeah,

1172
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: I've got two cookers working on my third at the moment,

1173
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: Like oh.

1174
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so tell us about the book side of things.

1175
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it's Yeah, the first I always say,

1176
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of like having your first baby.

1177
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: It's an experience. And this is to do with my

1178
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: first cookbook.

1179
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: Like I was pregnant with my third baby, but it

1180
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: was just a dream come true, Like it was such

1181
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: a wonderful experience and sorry not everyone, I actually had

1182
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: a very traumatic pregnancy and birth with my first, but

1183
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: I just mean, like it's so special because it's the

1184
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: first time you're doing it and it's the first time.

1185
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: And so my second is still so so special.

1186
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: And I actually think the recipes in my second are

1187
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: not better, but I prefer them because it wasn't all

1188
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: my long term.

1189
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: Favorites that I've cooked forever.

1190
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: Was forced to be quite creative, and there's modern and

1191
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: wonderful dishes in there. But it was a different experience

1192
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: because I feel like doing the set where you cook

1193
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: on site for two weeks in the kitchen with all

1194
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: your team, that was just an incredible experience. Both times around,

1195
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: I had the same team, but first time I was

1196
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: like blown away by how talented they were, how wonderful

1197
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: they were, how much fun I had. I left both

1198
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: times because it was split over two separate weeks, and

1199
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: I drove back. I'd stayed in Melbourne for the full

1200
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: week and then drove back home on the friday ALF

1201
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: I balled my eyes out the entire way home, just

1202
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: out of pure joy exhaustion too, my pure joy and happiness,

1203
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: out of like I cannot believe how wonderful that experience was.

1204
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 3: It was just and that's what I can't of look

1205
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: for now.

1206
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: Not that I'm going to ball my eyes out after

1207
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: every new thing I do, but I'm really big with

1208
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: chatting to my husband about like what fills me up,

1209
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: Like I get which is such a privilege, but I

1210
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: get asked to do so many things now and I

1211
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: hate saying no to people. And that's been a real

1212
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: learning curve for me. Being able to be like, thank you,

1213
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: but no thank you. I love what you do. I

1214
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: love you know, but I just don't at times. Also

1215
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: a massive privilege at the moment. So it's one of

1216
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: those things where I look at what fills me up,

1217
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: and writing cookbooks fill me up, like I just I'm

1218
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: writing my third at the moment, just love it, like

1219
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: I could forever write cookbooks, just the creating the recipes,

1220
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: thinking about the themes, how people are going to use,

1221
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: and it's just I love it. So that's one thing

1222
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: that I might just think about and notice acknowledge the

1223
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: feelings you get when you do certain work now, and

1224
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: that will show you you know what fulfills you and

1225
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: what lights you up and what brings you joy.

1226
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, That's the answer to the entire podcast

1227
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: is observe the feelings that you get from the things

1228
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 2: that you do, and that's the best data. And yet

1229
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people, because of conditioning

1230
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: and just so many influences of society over the years,

1231
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: that's the last thing they listened to. Yes, is their

1232
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: response to doing activities, and they don't like respond But

1233
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: it's taking.

1234
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: Way too long, which is very I'm also approaching my forties,

1235
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: so it's not like I'm twenty five, because I feel

1236
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: like if I had have started wholesome, I mean, it

1237
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: would never have worked, because it's not the mind that

1238
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm in now. But it is, but it's much more

1239
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: developed and grown. But it's sort of like it would

1240
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: have taken me fifteen years to start to realize that

1241
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: instead of say, oh my god, I get the best

1242
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: feeling when I finished doing that, or that's not even

1243
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: a paid thing, but it lights me up so much,

1244
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm going to do it like it's

1245
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: so it's very much listening, Yeah, listening to how you feel,

1246
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: listening to your gut, like walking out of whatever you've

1247
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: just done and seeing, you know, I feel so alive.

1248
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: You've got to keep doing that.

1249
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: Thing, You got to do more. Yeah, One hundred percent.

1250
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: I love that so much. And you answered my next question,

1251
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: which is, how are you defining success now or what

1252
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: is your relationship to it, which as you've kind of

1253
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: already got there, which is that you look for not

1254
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: the objective success, You look for how you feel. Yeah,

1255
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 2: if you're enjoying what you're doing, which is the best

1256
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: lesson really that you could leave anyone.

1257
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah, it is.

1258
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: It's listen to your own self when you're doing whatever

1259
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: you're doing, work wise, career wise, purpose well, if purpose is.

1260
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: In your career.

1261
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: But also like success for me at the moment is

1262
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: gaining time, like to be with my three girls and

1263
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: my husband. Like I feel like at the moment, especially

1264
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: this time of year, it's so frantic and it's sort

1265
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: of like and we get lots of help with our

1266
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: three girls that they're mostly at daycare kinder school.

1267
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: We've got a wonderful.

1268
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: Babysitter, we've got in laws, we've got families, so we

1269
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: get a lot of help. But it is a bit

1270
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: like that at this time of year, where it's like

1271
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: time is my idea of success at the moment, because

1272
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: it sort of just evaporates and you know, the days

1273
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: tick over. So yeah, it's try again that we come

1274
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: back to that world of word of balance. Like when

1275
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: you've got kids and you're also working either for yourself

1276
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: or for someone else, it's sort of like, definitely, if

1277
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: it's lighting you up, you've got to keep doing it.

1278
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: But also you can't forget what's for me most important

1279
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: to me, which are my girls and my husband. That

1280
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: you're trying to meet your needs and get all of

1281
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: that there as well. So yeah, the idea of success,

1282
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: I feel like is always not always changing for me.

1283
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: It's becoming more clear to me, but it's sort of

1284
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: then trying to find the balance of like, I love

1285
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: my work and it does light me up and it

1286
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: does bring me joy, but I adore my girls and

1287
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: my family and they grow up and you know, one

1288
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: day my three girls are going to be you know,

1289
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: over twenty and you can put as much time into

1290
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: your work as you want. Then, so again it's finding

1291
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: that balance of spending enough time with them and being

1292
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: a present moum and enjoying all of that, but also

1293
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, growing and seeing where you work is going

1294
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: to go to.

1295
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: That is also one of my favorite topics. I can't

1296
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: believe we have barely scraped the service of motherhood. We

1297
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: need a whole nother. Yeah, I'll come back this to

1298
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: you because that also, especially with three and especially being ambitious,

1299
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: it is a really difficult line to navigate when you

1300
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: do get purpose from two different, sometimes incompatible things. Yes,

1301
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: completely does equal the thing I want most for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about it. What an incredible privilege to

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00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: be like, you couldn't buy me anything right now that

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00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: I need more than more time. Definitely, I absolutely feel

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Speaker 2: like if there was a way for someone to buy

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00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: me time, yes, that would. Yeah, And so I kind

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00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: of feel like people's presence are focused on things that

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00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: can help me reallocate other things, which is interesting when

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00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: you get to that point in your life, like that's

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Speaker 2: really telling yes, what I'm like seeking.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I feel like.

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Speaker 1: You know, not to say my girls are necessarily going

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Speaker 1: to get easier in the next five years, because I

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00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: actually think teenage girls are going to be very, very

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Speaker 1: freaking Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, if teenage from me is anything to go exactly,

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh God, what are we in for?

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Speaker 1: But it's sort of like, yeah, it is sort of

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00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: that for the time being, time is my idea of success.

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Speaker 1: And you know, and I like to be really honest

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Speaker 1: about this because I feel like females are not at all.

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Speaker 1: But I've always had a financial success that I've wanted

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00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: to reach as well, and I don't always know where

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00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: that comes from. You know, it's an independence, it is, Yeah,

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00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: and I think it's a female because you know, I

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00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: always want. I strive to be able to help females

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Speaker 1: do what they want to do and put themselves first,

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Speaker 1: whether that is wanting to be a stay at home

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00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: mum or put career that sort of thing first.

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Speaker 3: But for me, it was like this whole.

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Speaker 1: Trying to break stereotypes if I've thought about it so

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00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: much and work through it, but it's coming back to

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00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: that wanting to either financially equal my husband's what he's

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00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: bringing in or be better. And yeah, because if you

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Speaker 1: see my husband, we are not competitive at all and

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00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: he would never We.

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00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: Are extremely competitive.

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00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: I love that, but he has never done anything to

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00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: make me feel like that. Yeah, but that just comes

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00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: from being a female brought up in the time that

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00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: we were brought up in. You know, I had to

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00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: stay at home mum that I don't get sad about.

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00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: But I think if she was given. We have a

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00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: beautiful life. She would say, Oh my god, Sarah, I

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00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: loved it. But I think of how many careers she

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00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: could have been wonderful in and because of the time,

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, wasn't given the opportunity, or it was like, oh,

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00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: I'll stay you know, I'm privileged to stay at home

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Speaker 1: with my five children, so I'll do that.

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00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: But it is sort of that I often think about

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00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 3: the financial thing. I'm like, I don't want endless money.

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00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: I just want to be able to contribute to my

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00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: family and teach a lesson to my girls. Of like,

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00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: if you want to be able to do that, you can.

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00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh Sarah, what a beautiful way to finish. Thank

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00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: you so much for your time, for the incredible way

1357
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: that you help us in the kitchen every single day.

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00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: The salmon partles, Oh my god, I love that. Yes,

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00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: Teddy loves salmon. Be Yeah, it's weird.

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00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm not a massive fan of salmon. It's hilarious because

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00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: it's the front cover of my first cookbook.

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00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: But is it really? But it was just too much

1363
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: of a bud.

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00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'll send you it.

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00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: Oh it's I'll buy it, but it's such It was

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00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: such a beautiful shot.

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00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: It was like that a chicken one, and I actually

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00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: can't remember the third. And I was a bit like,

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00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm funny about salmon being on the front because I

1370
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: don't love salmon, but I was like, the photo is

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00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: just so beautiful.

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00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: But the salmon parcel, my mum has always made them,

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00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: and I do them with whitefish, and they're just so easy.

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00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: Shove the pack them up, shove them in the oven.

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00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: I like that how you worded it. Shove them in. Guys,

1377
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: this is a taste of Sarah. Mix it up, shove

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00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: it in.

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00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: And you're done.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much for joining. For those

1381
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: of you listening who don't already know everything about the

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00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: wonderful Sarah, I'll include all her links in the show notes.

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00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: Oh I loved this chat. It feels like I've known

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00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: Sarah for years. So many pearls of wisdom, And if

1385
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: you haven't already discovered her incredible books and recipes, I

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00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: will pop links in the show notes for you all.

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Speaker 2: As always, if you enjoyed listening along, please do share

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00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: the episode tagging at Wholesome by Sarah and Us so

1389
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: we can thank her so generously for her time she

1390
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: drive up to Melbourne for this from the Peninsula, and

1391
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: so that we can keep sharing the neighborhood as far

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01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: and wide as possible. It does truly mean so much.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, I hope you're having a great week

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Speaker 2: and are seizing your yay