1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,414 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the 2 00:00:15,454 --> 00:00:18,334 Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 3 00:00:18,374 --> 00:00:24,094 Speaker 1: recorded on Hi there, I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma 4 00:00:24,134 --> 00:00:28,654 Speaker 1: MIA's daily news podcast, The Quickie. Catherine is back. 5 00:00:28,614 --> 00:00:31,894 Speaker 2: And in the second carriage there the wonderful. 6 00:00:31,414 --> 00:00:36,134 Speaker 3: And welcome sight of her Raw Highness, the Princess of Wales. 7 00:00:36,894 --> 00:00:39,574 Speaker 1: On the weekend, we saw the Princess of Wales step 8 00:00:39,614 --> 00:00:42,334 Speaker 1: out for the first time since her surgery and cancer 9 00:00:42,374 --> 00:00:45,974 Speaker 1: diagnosis was revealed, spending time on the balcony at Buckingham 10 00:00:45,974 --> 00:00:49,734 Speaker 1: Palace in the official celebrations for the Monarch's birthday. But 11 00:00:49,774 --> 00:00:52,694 Speaker 1: as soon as the discussion around her outfits, her dedication 12 00:00:52,814 --> 00:00:55,654 Speaker 1: to the throne and her messages about how she's taking 13 00:00:55,734 --> 00:00:59,294 Speaker 1: care of herself while balancing cancer treatment and royal duties cleared, 14 00:00:59,574 --> 00:01:02,134 Speaker 1: the rivalry between her and her sister in law Meghan 15 00:01:02,414 --> 00:01:05,734 Speaker 1: started up again. Before we step back into royal life, 16 00:01:05,734 --> 00:01:08,654 Speaker 1: here's the latest from the Quickie newsroom. Tuesday, June eighteenth. 17 00:01:09,534 --> 00:01:12,694 Speaker 1: Police officer accused of killing Jesse Baird and Luke Davies 18 00:01:12,734 --> 00:01:15,814 Speaker 1: in Sydney earlier this year is expected back in court today. 19 00:01:16,214 --> 00:01:19,054 Speaker 1: Police alleged the attack on Bed and Davis came after 20 00:01:19,174 --> 00:01:22,574 Speaker 1: a month's long campaign of predatory behavior by the accused, 21 00:01:22,854 --> 00:01:26,214 Speaker 1: targeting mister Baird, whom the officer had briefly dated. The 22 00:01:26,254 --> 00:01:28,414 Speaker 1: twenty nine year old allegedly shot the pair with his 23 00:01:28,534 --> 00:01:31,894 Speaker 1: service weapon at mister Baird's Paddington home on February nineteen, 24 00:01:32,294 --> 00:01:35,094 Speaker 1: before dumping the bodies at a rural property near Golban, 25 00:01:35,214 --> 00:01:38,774 Speaker 1: about two hundred kilometers southwest of Sydney. The officer has 26 00:01:38,854 --> 00:01:41,174 Speaker 1: been charged with two counts of murder and has been 27 00:01:41,254 --> 00:01:43,974 Speaker 1: let go from the police force. It's not clear how 28 00:01:44,014 --> 00:01:48,454 Speaker 1: he will plead. The Australian Automobile Association says Australia is 29 00:01:48,494 --> 00:01:51,854 Speaker 1: facing a road safety crisis and states and territories need 30 00:01:51,894 --> 00:01:54,214 Speaker 1: to hand over data they've kept secret to try and 31 00:01:54,254 --> 00:01:56,974 Speaker 1: tackle it. The call comes a day after a major 32 00:01:57,014 --> 00:01:59,414 Speaker 1: crash west of Brisbane took the lives of a man 33 00:01:59,454 --> 00:02:02,614 Speaker 1: and his two children. A woman also taken to hospital 34 00:02:02,694 --> 00:02:05,734 Speaker 1: in a critical condition. The number of debts on Australian 35 00:02:05,814 --> 00:02:09,334 Speaker 1: roads rose ten point four percent nationally to thirteen hundred 36 00:02:09,374 --> 00:02:11,974 Speaker 1: as three in the year to May. The region with 37 00:02:12,014 --> 00:02:15,094 Speaker 1: the worst spike is the Northern Territory, where road deaths 38 00:02:15,134 --> 00:02:18,494 Speaker 1: surged by seventy two point four percent. The Triple A 39 00:02:18,654 --> 00:02:21,454 Speaker 1: says the states and territories hold information on the causes 40 00:02:21,494 --> 00:02:24,414 Speaker 1: of crashes, the state of roads, and the effectiveness of 41 00:02:24,454 --> 00:02:28,254 Speaker 1: police traffic enforcement, but don't share it. Releasing the data 42 00:02:28,294 --> 00:02:31,414 Speaker 1: would deliver on a federal labour pre election pledge to 43 00:02:31,534 --> 00:02:34,974 Speaker 1: extract better information from the states and territories in return 44 00:02:35,094 --> 00:02:39,134 Speaker 1: for Commonwealth road funding. Sean Diddy Coombs has been forced 45 00:02:39,174 --> 00:02:41,214 Speaker 1: to return his key to the city in New York. 46 00:02:41,614 --> 00:02:44,214 Speaker 1: The singer and producer who grew up in Harlem, was 47 00:02:44,254 --> 00:02:46,494 Speaker 1: handed the key to the city in September last year, 48 00:02:46,814 --> 00:02:49,014 Speaker 1: but had been asked to return it by the mayor 49 00:02:49,094 --> 00:02:51,814 Speaker 1: in the wake of footage from twenty sixteen being released 50 00:02:52,094 --> 00:02:55,614 Speaker 1: of Coombe's physically attacking his then girlfriend in a hotel Hallway. 51 00:02:55,974 --> 00:02:58,374 Speaker 1: Mayor Eric Adams wrote a letter to Kumbs saying he 52 00:02:58,454 --> 00:03:02,614 Speaker 1: was deeply disturbed by the video, strongly condemning Coombs's actions, 53 00:03:02,894 --> 00:03:06,134 Speaker 1: saying he stands in solidarity with all survivors of domestic 54 00:03:06,174 --> 00:03:09,374 Speaker 1: and gender based violence. Coombs has also had his honor 55 00:03:09,574 --> 00:03:12,974 Speaker 1: very degree from Howard University revoked. The statement from the 56 00:03:12,974 --> 00:03:16,014 Speaker 1: board saying mister Coombe's behavior, as captured in the recently 57 00:03:16,094 --> 00:03:20,774 Speaker 1: released video is so fundamentally incompatible with Howard University's core 58 00:03:20,894 --> 00:03:23,934 Speaker 1: values and beliefs that he's deemed no longer worthy to 59 00:03:23,974 --> 00:03:28,014 Speaker 1: hold the institution's highest honor. They've also terminated a scholarship 60 00:03:28,094 --> 00:03:31,534 Speaker 1: established in his name and will return his million dollar donation. 61 00:03:32,454 --> 00:03:36,254 Speaker 1: World first research by Ossie scientists has failed to solve 62 00:03:36,294 --> 00:03:39,454 Speaker 1: the mystery as to why some rats glow in the dark. 63 00:03:39,934 --> 00:03:43,894 Speaker 1: Researchers from Queensland's James Cook University collected the pelts of 64 00:03:43,934 --> 00:03:46,734 Speaker 1: thirty six dead rats to test if their glow in 65 00:03:46,774 --> 00:03:49,454 Speaker 1: the dark fur was used as some sort of nocturnal 66 00:03:49,454 --> 00:03:53,054 Speaker 1: communication method. But while they know the photo luminescence is 67 00:03:53,094 --> 00:03:57,694 Speaker 1: fairly common, they still don't understand why they deployed rat models, 68 00:03:57,694 --> 00:04:01,414 Speaker 1: some photoluminescent and some not, into the environment to interact 69 00:04:01,414 --> 00:04:04,694 Speaker 1: with wildlife on full moon nights versus New Moon nights, 70 00:04:05,054 --> 00:04:07,854 Speaker 1: and found no evidence that glowing fur gave them any 71 00:04:07,894 --> 00:04:13,174 Speaker 1: particular survival advantage or disadvantage. So the mystery continues. That's 72 00:04:13,214 --> 00:04:16,854 Speaker 1: what's happening in the world today. Next, royal rivalry reignited 73 00:04:17,174 --> 00:04:19,574 Speaker 1: with Catherine back out in public and megan getting on 74 00:04:19,654 --> 00:04:34,254 Speaker 1: with business. But who's feeding who the truth? Will she 75 00:04:34,734 --> 00:04:37,934 Speaker 1: or won't she? The speculation around whether the Princess of 76 00:04:37,974 --> 00:04:40,734 Speaker 1: Wales would attend the trooping of the color ceremony and 77 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:43,734 Speaker 1: official celebration of the King's birthday has been going on 78 00:04:43,814 --> 00:04:47,614 Speaker 1: for months. Late last year, the Princess had undergone abdominal 79 00:04:47,654 --> 00:04:51,774 Speaker 1: surgery for an unspecified condition and was recuperating in private, 80 00:04:52,014 --> 00:04:55,294 Speaker 1: but hounded by rumor and speculation that something more was 81 00:04:55,334 --> 00:04:58,334 Speaker 1: going on. It wouldn't be until March this year that 82 00:04:58,414 --> 00:05:00,534 Speaker 1: we would find out exactly what that mare was. 83 00:05:01,094 --> 00:05:05,094 Speaker 4: In January, I underwent major dominal surgery in London. I'm 84 00:05:05,094 --> 00:05:08,254 Speaker 4: at the time it was thought that my condition was nonconscirous. 85 00:05:08,774 --> 00:05:13,814 Speaker 4: The surgery successful, However, tass after the operation punkancer hard 86 00:05:13,894 --> 00:05:17,494 Speaker 4: being present. My medical team therefore advised that I should 87 00:05:17,534 --> 00:05:21,054 Speaker 4: undergo a course of preventative chemotherapy, and I'm now in 88 00:05:21,054 --> 00:05:22,534 Speaker 4: the early stages of that treatment. 89 00:05:23,494 --> 00:05:25,814 Speaker 1: We were told not to expect Catherine back at her 90 00:05:25,854 --> 00:05:28,574 Speaker 1: royal post until she was ready to do so, but 91 00:05:28,694 --> 00:05:32,094 Speaker 1: on Friday, she released a statement on social media alongside 92 00:05:32,094 --> 00:05:33,974 Speaker 1: a photo of her standing in front of a beautiful 93 00:05:33,974 --> 00:05:38,894 Speaker 1: tree arms crossed. The statement reads, I've been blown away 94 00:05:38,934 --> 00:05:41,854 Speaker 1: by all the kind messages of support and encouragement over 95 00:05:41,854 --> 00:05:44,334 Speaker 1: the last couple of months. It really has made the 96 00:05:44,374 --> 00:05:46,934 Speaker 1: world of difference to William and me and has helped 97 00:05:47,014 --> 00:05:49,934 Speaker 1: us both through some of the harder times. She says 98 00:05:49,934 --> 00:05:53,294 Speaker 1: she's making good progress, but that anyone going through chemotherapy 99 00:05:53,334 --> 00:05:56,094 Speaker 1: knows there are good days and bad days, explaining how 100 00:05:56,134 --> 00:05:58,734 Speaker 1: on the bad days she feels weak and tired and 101 00:05:58,774 --> 00:06:00,974 Speaker 1: you have to give into your body resting. But on 102 00:06:01,014 --> 00:06:03,494 Speaker 1: the good day, she says, when you feel stronger, you 103 00:06:03,574 --> 00:06:06,454 Speaker 1: want to make the most of feeling well, and well 104 00:06:06,534 --> 00:06:08,974 Speaker 1: she seemed when she stepped out in a black and 105 00:06:08,974 --> 00:06:11,574 Speaker 1: white on song for the celebration of her father in 106 00:06:11,654 --> 00:06:13,374 Speaker 1: law's birthday On the weekend. 107 00:06:13,774 --> 00:06:15,894 Speaker 2: You're watching the King's Birthday parade. 108 00:06:15,934 --> 00:06:18,294 Speaker 4: The King and the Princess of Wales talk about what 109 00:06:18,334 --> 00:06:20,334 Speaker 4: they've seen, and of course the two of them have 110 00:06:20,414 --> 00:06:22,774 Speaker 4: kept very much in touch over this superiod. 111 00:06:23,294 --> 00:06:25,654 Speaker 1: The princess wore address she'd worn a few years ago 112 00:06:25,734 --> 00:06:28,854 Speaker 1: during the celebrations around the King's coronation, coupled with a 113 00:06:28,894 --> 00:06:32,094 Speaker 1: matching hat and bow with a brooch representing the Irish 114 00:06:32,094 --> 00:06:35,494 Speaker 1: Guards Regiment, Catherine having been given the honorary title of 115 00:06:35,574 --> 00:06:38,054 Speaker 1: Colonel of the Irish Guards last year, and who would 116 00:06:38,094 --> 00:06:40,934 Speaker 1: normally have taken part in the event in that capacity, 117 00:06:41,054 --> 00:06:44,094 Speaker 1: but did not do so this time around. She then 118 00:06:44,134 --> 00:06:46,894 Speaker 1: stood on the balcony at Buckingham Palace alongside her husband 119 00:06:46,934 --> 00:06:50,094 Speaker 1: and children, the King and Queen, waving at the crowd below, 120 00:06:50,334 --> 00:06:53,414 Speaker 1: looking like someone who was in quite good health. It 121 00:06:53,534 --> 00:06:55,894 Speaker 1: was a glowing return for the Princess of Wales, the 122 00:06:55,934 --> 00:06:58,854 Speaker 1: crowds excited and happy to see her after so many 123 00:06:58,894 --> 00:07:00,854 Speaker 1: months of not having her on royal duty. 124 00:07:01,054 --> 00:07:02,894 Speaker 2: Me it's very good to know she's back. She's got 125 00:07:02,934 --> 00:07:05,974 Speaker 2: some young family to look after and we worry about her. 126 00:07:07,494 --> 00:07:10,214 Speaker 1: But a few hours before that appearance, those who would 127 00:07:10,254 --> 00:07:13,254 Speaker 1: pit Catherine against her sister in law Meghan, pointed out 128 00:07:13,254 --> 00:07:16,614 Speaker 1: that Meghan's friend, not Meghan herself, had announced some new 129 00:07:16,654 --> 00:07:21,134 Speaker 1: products in the Duchess's American Riviera Orchard range. Added to 130 00:07:21,174 --> 00:07:24,174 Speaker 1: the strawberry jam that had already been announced. Meghan's friend 131 00:07:24,214 --> 00:07:26,974 Speaker 1: explained that the range would also include raspberry jam and 132 00:07:27,014 --> 00:07:30,494 Speaker 1: a line of dog biscuits too. Meghan was accused of 133 00:07:30,534 --> 00:07:34,174 Speaker 1: attempting to steal the limelight from Catherine's return, and from 134 00:07:34,214 --> 00:07:38,054 Speaker 1: some of being jealous of Catherine's younger brother, James Middleton, 135 00:07:38,374 --> 00:07:41,214 Speaker 1: who also has his own range of dog food called 136 00:07:41,334 --> 00:07:44,614 Speaker 1: James and Ella. But what Meghan have known? Would this 137 00:07:44,694 --> 00:07:47,574 Speaker 1: have already been scheduled much more in advance than Catherine's 138 00:07:47,614 --> 00:07:50,894 Speaker 1: last minute appearance at the trooping of the Color. Holly 139 00:07:50,974 --> 00:07:53,774 Speaker 1: Wainwright is Mumma Me as head of content, co host 140 00:07:53,814 --> 00:07:56,694 Speaker 1: of both the Mumma Me Out Loud and mid podcasts, 141 00:07:56,974 --> 00:08:00,574 Speaker 1: and is a resident Royal expert Holly. With both the 142 00:08:00,654 --> 00:08:03,014 Speaker 1: King and Catherine being out of action of late due 143 00:08:03,014 --> 00:08:06,054 Speaker 1: to cancer treatment, and with Harry and Meghan also recently 144 00:08:06,094 --> 00:08:09,814 Speaker 1: doing a very royal looking unroyal tour of Nigeria, how 145 00:08:09,854 --> 00:08:12,774 Speaker 1: important was Catherine's return to royal duties this weekend? 146 00:08:13,214 --> 00:08:16,254 Speaker 3: I think enormously, given all the commentary that we gave 147 00:08:16,494 --> 00:08:20,174 Speaker 3: over the handling of the Kate Gate where is she 148 00:08:20,294 --> 00:08:24,374 Speaker 3: and the announcement of her illness, and how broadly the 149 00:08:24,454 --> 00:08:27,614 Speaker 3: Palace was criticized for not being transparent, not being on 150 00:08:27,654 --> 00:08:29,894 Speaker 3: the front foot, for trying to fool people with the 151 00:08:29,934 --> 00:08:33,774 Speaker 3: picture the altered photograph, I think they handled this brilliantly. 152 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:35,734 Speaker 2: What happened was Friday. 153 00:08:35,494 --> 00:08:38,894 Speaker 3: Night, our time, an announcement came from Kate from the 154 00:08:38,894 --> 00:08:42,214 Speaker 3: Prince and Princess of Wales which sort of detailed where 155 00:08:42,254 --> 00:08:45,734 Speaker 3: she was at in her cancer treatment and revealed that 156 00:08:45,814 --> 00:08:47,974 Speaker 3: she was going to come to the Trooping of the Color, 157 00:08:47,974 --> 00:08:50,214 Speaker 3: which is a very big deal for the royal family 158 00:08:50,334 --> 00:08:53,214 Speaker 3: on the King's birthday. And so it was less than 159 00:08:53,254 --> 00:08:55,654 Speaker 3: twenty four hours between that announcement and her coming out, 160 00:08:55,694 --> 00:08:58,814 Speaker 3: which meant there wasn't time for all the fevered speculation. 161 00:08:59,334 --> 00:09:01,174 Speaker 3: There wasn't time for a whole lot of rumors to 162 00:09:01,214 --> 00:09:04,694 Speaker 3: be stirred up, and they really handled it well with 163 00:09:04,734 --> 00:09:07,254 Speaker 3: her coming out in the way that she did on Saturday. 164 00:09:08,094 --> 00:09:12,414 Speaker 1: I have seen some commentary about forcing someone who's undergoing 165 00:09:12,414 --> 00:09:15,614 Speaker 1: cancer treatment to return to work. It feels like maybe 166 00:09:15,654 --> 00:09:18,534 Speaker 1: she's not quite ready, but knows there's pressure for her 167 00:09:18,734 --> 00:09:22,014 Speaker 1: to perform right now, especially with the King himself also 168 00:09:22,054 --> 00:09:23,654 Speaker 1: being out of action for a while too, that they 169 00:09:23,734 --> 00:09:26,534 Speaker 1: kind of need to present this united front of working royals. 170 00:09:26,814 --> 00:09:28,734 Speaker 1: Is there a risk maybe they're going to burn her 171 00:09:28,734 --> 00:09:31,254 Speaker 1: out for someone who's undergoing chemotherapy right now. 172 00:09:31,774 --> 00:09:34,254 Speaker 3: Look, I think we have to give Catherine as we 173 00:09:34,334 --> 00:09:37,214 Speaker 3: have to remember to keep calling her now the benefit 174 00:09:37,254 --> 00:09:39,574 Speaker 3: of the doubt on that one. If you think about 175 00:09:39,894 --> 00:09:43,094 Speaker 3: ordinary people and inverted commas who are going through cancer treatment, 176 00:09:43,454 --> 00:09:47,814 Speaker 3: they often cannot take six, eight twelve months just entirely 177 00:09:47,894 --> 00:09:50,414 Speaker 3: off work, and they might have to do certain duties 178 00:09:50,454 --> 00:09:52,814 Speaker 3: in that time. And I reckon that's how Catherine's viewing 179 00:09:53,094 --> 00:09:56,774 Speaker 3: this is that since all that awful speculation that I'm 180 00:09:56,774 --> 00:09:59,014 Speaker 3: sure took its toll on her and her family, she 181 00:09:59,094 --> 00:10:03,094 Speaker 3: has had several months of people literally leaving her alone. 182 00:10:03,254 --> 00:10:05,294 Speaker 3: But what's interesting is that last week our mom and 183 00:10:05,334 --> 00:10:07,854 Speaker 3: mire out loud, we were saying, how you could just 184 00:10:07,974 --> 00:10:10,174 Speaker 3: begin to hear the bubbling coming up again. There have 185 00:10:10,214 --> 00:10:12,814 Speaker 3: been quite a few stories popping up about will she 186 00:10:12,894 --> 00:10:15,534 Speaker 3: come to trooping of the collar and talking about some 187 00:10:15,614 --> 00:10:18,014 Speaker 3: changes she's making to her household staff, and it felt 188 00:10:18,054 --> 00:10:20,894 Speaker 3: like we were getting restless after three months of like 189 00:10:20,934 --> 00:10:23,334 Speaker 3: where is she now? And I think that this is 190 00:10:23,374 --> 00:10:26,134 Speaker 3: one of those kind of staged returns to work. It's 191 00:10:26,174 --> 00:10:29,094 Speaker 3: like one day she has to come out and do 192 00:10:29,174 --> 00:10:31,654 Speaker 3: a couple of hours. I mean no doubt the stress 193 00:10:31,654 --> 00:10:34,094 Speaker 3: it would take on her, because the pressure and the 194 00:10:34,094 --> 00:10:35,934 Speaker 3: scrutiny on what she was going to look like on 195 00:10:35,974 --> 00:10:38,854 Speaker 3: that day would have been enormous, but now she can 196 00:10:38,854 --> 00:10:40,734 Speaker 3: go away again for a few months. I feel like 197 00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:43,454 Speaker 3: the Royal Family of kind of figuring out that they 198 00:10:43,494 --> 00:10:46,734 Speaker 3: have to drip feed this kind of information to stop 199 00:10:47,054 --> 00:10:49,934 Speaker 3: the nation freaking out, which is ridiculous for a human 200 00:10:49,934 --> 00:10:51,774 Speaker 3: who just wants to get on with her life, but 201 00:10:51,934 --> 00:10:54,894 Speaker 3: is also kind of the way the Royal family works. 202 00:10:54,934 --> 00:10:56,534 Speaker 2: They have to be seen to be believed. 203 00:10:57,334 --> 00:10:59,374 Speaker 1: It did seem like we had a real info dumb 204 00:10:59,374 --> 00:11:01,694 Speaker 1: from Catherine this weekend. We had her statement as you mentioned, 205 00:11:01,734 --> 00:11:04,054 Speaker 1: on the Friday she was attending the trooping of the 206 00:11:04,094 --> 00:11:07,174 Speaker 1: color on the balcony at Buckingham Palace, and then she 207 00:11:07,414 --> 00:11:10,374 Speaker 1: posts a photo that she has taken of William and 208 00:11:10,374 --> 00:11:13,454 Speaker 1: the kids at the beach for Father's Day. It feels 209 00:11:13,494 --> 00:11:15,854 Speaker 1: like we got a lot of info all at once. 210 00:11:15,974 --> 00:11:17,934 Speaker 1: Was that maybe to tide us over, to give her 211 00:11:18,014 --> 00:11:20,134 Speaker 1: a bit of break time until the next time she's 212 00:11:20,254 --> 00:11:20,854 Speaker 1: out and about. 213 00:11:21,454 --> 00:11:24,574 Speaker 3: I reckon, yes, I think that it's sort of feeding 214 00:11:24,614 --> 00:11:27,694 Speaker 3: the beast. And I actually think, with my cynical media 215 00:11:27,774 --> 00:11:31,334 Speaker 3: hat on, that it's smart strategy as opposed to not 216 00:11:31,494 --> 00:11:33,974 Speaker 3: smart strategy, which is what we were seeing earlier in 217 00:11:33,974 --> 00:11:36,494 Speaker 3: this and you can't in lots of ways blame them. 218 00:11:36,654 --> 00:11:39,294 Speaker 3: I mean, within the whole firm of the Royal family, 219 00:11:39,534 --> 00:11:41,694 Speaker 3: they're a family trying to figure out what this looks like. 220 00:11:41,814 --> 00:11:44,974 Speaker 3: It is uncharted territory to have two very very high 221 00:11:45,094 --> 00:11:47,174 Speaker 3: status members of the royal family under this level of 222 00:11:47,214 --> 00:11:50,094 Speaker 3: health scrutiny, and it's kind of something they've got to 223 00:11:50,134 --> 00:11:53,214 Speaker 3: figure out. I think that giving just the right amount 224 00:11:53,214 --> 00:11:55,774 Speaker 3: of information, as she did with that first post of 225 00:11:55,814 --> 00:11:58,374 Speaker 3: her standing in the woods and talking very directly about 226 00:11:58,454 --> 00:12:01,894 Speaker 3: chemotherapy and saying I am still going through it. Some 227 00:12:01,974 --> 00:12:04,294 Speaker 3: days are good, some days are bad, was great preparation 228 00:12:04,494 --> 00:12:07,734 Speaker 3: for Saturday, because otherwise she came out, she looked immaculate, 229 00:12:07,814 --> 00:12:10,774 Speaker 3: she looked happy, she looked healthy. I think everybody would 230 00:12:10,774 --> 00:12:13,894 Speaker 3: have gone, oh, she's fine, but she's managed expectations. I 231 00:12:13,934 --> 00:12:17,174 Speaker 3: think that's really smart. And then I think that involving 232 00:12:17,214 --> 00:12:19,974 Speaker 3: the whole family, and it was also smart messaging Father's 233 00:12:20,054 --> 00:12:22,054 Speaker 3: Day in a very intimate way. It's a picture of 234 00:12:22,094 --> 00:12:25,054 Speaker 3: Prince William literally in bodies and a hoodie on a beach. 235 00:12:25,534 --> 00:12:27,934 Speaker 3: I think it's also set to remind everybody that there 236 00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:28,654 Speaker 3: is a family in. 237 00:12:28,614 --> 00:12:29,814 Speaker 2: The middle of all this speculation. 238 00:12:30,614 --> 00:12:34,694 Speaker 1: Now there is another family also involved in the weekend's speculation, 239 00:12:34,894 --> 00:12:37,254 Speaker 1: and that is, of course, Harry and Meghan. Now, just 240 00:12:37,294 --> 00:12:41,454 Speaker 1: a few hours before Catherine was set to return to 241 00:12:41,534 --> 00:12:45,374 Speaker 1: public eye, and as you mentioned, she looked incredible. One 242 00:12:45,374 --> 00:12:49,854 Speaker 1: of Megan's mates posted about some new products in her 243 00:12:49,974 --> 00:12:53,574 Speaker 1: new line, adding raspberry jam to her strawberry jam and 244 00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:56,894 Speaker 1: a little dog biscuit that goes along with that, and 245 00:12:57,014 --> 00:13:00,534 Speaker 1: a lot of people started to wonder about was she 246 00:13:00,614 --> 00:13:04,534 Speaker 1: trying to hijack the media attention? Is this rivalry still 247 00:13:04,534 --> 00:13:06,174 Speaker 1: a thing? What's your take on that? 248 00:13:06,894 --> 00:13:08,334 Speaker 2: No, I don't think she was. 249 00:13:08,534 --> 00:13:11,854 Speaker 3: I think that given the fact that the Catherine announcement 250 00:13:12,014 --> 00:13:14,254 Speaker 3: was a surprise, and it seemed to literally be a surprise. 251 00:13:14,334 --> 00:13:17,014 Speaker 3: As I was saying, the media had started to bobble 252 00:13:17,054 --> 00:13:19,894 Speaker 3: a little bit last week with Kate speculation, but nobody 253 00:13:19,934 --> 00:13:23,214 Speaker 3: was outwardly saying she's about to make an announcement. She's 254 00:13:23,214 --> 00:13:25,614 Speaker 3: going to definitely come to the King's birthday. Of course, 255 00:13:25,654 --> 00:13:27,894 Speaker 3: Harry and Meghan knew that it was the trooping of 256 00:13:27,894 --> 00:13:29,894 Speaker 3: the color, which is a big deal in the royal calendar, 257 00:13:30,254 --> 00:13:33,414 Speaker 3: but they're not royals anymore. The other thing that's interesting 258 00:13:33,454 --> 00:13:37,094 Speaker 3: about this is This very very slow drip feed of 259 00:13:37,174 --> 00:13:41,654 Speaker 3: detail about American riviera orchard is intriguing, right and I 260 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:44,614 Speaker 3: don't know if necessarily in the right way. But there 261 00:13:44,654 --> 00:13:48,334 Speaker 3: is nothing coming directly from Megan. This is all friends 262 00:13:48,374 --> 00:13:51,734 Speaker 3: of hers posting about this. So Natcho Fuguerus, who's a 263 00:13:51,814 --> 00:13:54,374 Speaker 3: rugby player and a good friend of Harry and Meghan's, 264 00:13:54,414 --> 00:13:56,734 Speaker 3: is the one who actually posted about the raspberry Jam 265 00:13:56,774 --> 00:13:59,854 Speaker 3: and the dog biscuits. Nothing is coming directly from Megan, 266 00:14:00,174 --> 00:14:02,854 Speaker 3: which is interesting because this is either the longest build 267 00:14:02,894 --> 00:14:06,534 Speaker 3: up to a JAM release of all time or this 268 00:14:06,574 --> 00:14:09,894 Speaker 3: is not quite the very strategic, structured announcement so we 269 00:14:10,014 --> 00:14:12,774 Speaker 3: might have been expecting. So no, I don't think it 270 00:14:12,854 --> 00:14:15,574 Speaker 3: was deliberate. I think that it's kind of unfortunate in 271 00:14:15,614 --> 00:14:18,614 Speaker 3: a way that forever now Kate and Meghan are going 272 00:14:18,654 --> 00:14:21,014 Speaker 3: to be pitched in this battle. But I think that 273 00:14:21,054 --> 00:14:23,894 Speaker 3: the Princess of Wales making a slight reprieved from her 274 00:14:23,934 --> 00:14:27,334 Speaker 3: cancer treatment to public duties and one of Megan's fancy 275 00:14:27,334 --> 00:14:30,654 Speaker 3: mates posting about Jam are not really related. 276 00:14:31,254 --> 00:14:34,734 Speaker 1: I think we often forget about the firm behind the 277 00:14:34,814 --> 00:14:37,614 Speaker 1: royal family, and that there is a lot of people 278 00:14:37,654 --> 00:14:40,894 Speaker 1: who work on a daily basis to ensure things happen 279 00:14:40,974 --> 00:14:42,734 Speaker 1: or don't happen, and are planned within an inch of 280 00:14:42,774 --> 00:14:45,654 Speaker 1: their life. But now that Harry and Meghan are no 281 00:14:45,734 --> 00:14:48,614 Speaker 1: longer working royals are no longer essentially members of the 282 00:14:48,654 --> 00:14:51,934 Speaker 1: royal family, do you think they have any interaction with 283 00:14:52,094 --> 00:14:55,814 Speaker 1: the firm itself? Like would they have been notified perhaps 284 00:14:55,814 --> 00:14:59,014 Speaker 1: that anything was happening and to refrain from posting anything 285 00:14:59,014 --> 00:15:01,294 Speaker 1: at that time or are they out in the wilderness 286 00:15:01,294 --> 00:15:02,454 Speaker 1: now just doing their own thing. 287 00:15:03,014 --> 00:15:04,334 Speaker 2: I think they're in the wilderness. 288 00:15:04,454 --> 00:15:06,374 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure that his people are talking to 289 00:15:06,414 --> 00:15:09,054 Speaker 3: their people sometimes, but I'm sure that those relations are 290 00:15:09,094 --> 00:15:12,174 Speaker 3: very st given the state of the real relations as 291 00:15:12,214 --> 00:15:16,294 Speaker 3: we saw the previous weekend at the Duke of Westminster's wedding. 292 00:15:16,334 --> 00:15:18,374 Speaker 2: He is best mate to both Harry. 293 00:15:18,054 --> 00:15:21,174 Speaker 3: And William, and only William went to that wedding, despite 294 00:15:21,214 --> 00:15:24,454 Speaker 3: the fact that the Duke of Westminster's godfather to Harry's 295 00:15:24,494 --> 00:15:27,454 Speaker 3: son and he didn't go. Clearly, relations between the royal 296 00:15:27,454 --> 00:15:29,294 Speaker 3: brothers are still so bad they can't be in the 297 00:15:29,334 --> 00:15:32,134 Speaker 3: same room. I think it's very unlikely that they are 298 00:15:32,294 --> 00:15:35,934 Speaker 3: collaborating on their pr strategies, but I think that maybe 299 00:15:35,974 --> 00:15:39,134 Speaker 3: what we're seeing with this sort of staged return, as 300 00:15:39,174 --> 00:15:41,694 Speaker 3: I say, of Princess of Wales to public life, is 301 00:15:41,734 --> 00:15:43,734 Speaker 3: that Kensington Palace had got a bit of a grip 302 00:15:44,094 --> 00:15:46,854 Speaker 3: on their messaging after the mess of three months ago, 303 00:15:47,334 --> 00:15:50,414 Speaker 3: and Harry and Meghan will obviously they do have very 304 00:15:50,414 --> 00:15:53,854 Speaker 3: professional pr people working for them, who have obviously decided 305 00:15:53,894 --> 00:15:56,934 Speaker 3: to play the long game on the world's most anticipated jam. 306 00:15:57,214 --> 00:15:58,214 Speaker 1: Will you buy that jam? 307 00:15:58,294 --> 00:16:00,854 Speaker 4: If you had the opportunity to, hollywaen. 308 00:16:00,454 --> 00:16:03,334 Speaker 2: Right, I wonder how much it costs? It had better 309 00:16:03,374 --> 00:16:06,654 Speaker 2: taste delicious. It was like there was strawberry, now there's raspberry. 310 00:16:06,654 --> 00:16:09,534 Speaker 3: It's like, really, they wouldn't flavors? 311 00:16:09,614 --> 00:16:11,774 Speaker 2: Did does that? Plumb? 312 00:16:12,974 --> 00:16:14,854 Speaker 3: I mean good luck to them, but I do actually 313 00:16:14,934 --> 00:16:18,414 Speaker 3: think it's time to probably start decoupling what Megan's up 314 00:16:18,414 --> 00:16:20,494 Speaker 3: to in terms of what Kate's going through. 315 00:16:24,054 --> 00:16:26,134 Speaker 1: Thanks for spending some time with us today. Friends, will 316 00:16:26,174 --> 00:16:29,254 Speaker 1: keep you updated on the latest royal movements as they happen. 317 00:16:29,454 --> 00:16:32,254 Speaker 1: The Quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy and our 318 00:16:32,294 --> 00:16:35,854 Speaker 1: executive producers Callie Rintle and Taylor Strano, with audio production 319 00:16:36,054 --> 00:16:36,814 Speaker 1: by Tom Lyon.