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Speaker 2: Hey your Own Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice

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Speaker 2: daily news podcast. The Quiki Nurses are about to step

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Speaker 2: into a bigger role promising better access to medicines for ozsies,

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Speaker 2: especially in remote or regional communities. Plus, President Trump's new

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Speaker 2: twenty point piece plan for Gaza will unpack what's really

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Speaker 2: to the Israel Hamas Wall. Before we get there, here

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Speaker 2: is Claire Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom

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Speaker 2: for Wednesday October one.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. A UN expert has advised that Australia needs

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Speaker 1: to cut its defense agreement ties with Israel or risk

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Speaker 1: being complicit in genocide. Australian human rights lawyer Chris Soddotti

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Speaker 1: says Australia's credibility is on the line despite recognizing Palestinian statehood,

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Speaker 1: saying we should be ending all defense cooperation, including closing

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Speaker 1: the Australian government's Defense and Trade office in Jerusalem. Mister

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Speaker 1: Siddotti is one of three Commissioners selected by the Human

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Speaker 1: Rights Council, which found Israel's war crimes in Gaza constituted

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Speaker 1: in September. The former Australian Human Rights Commissioner also urged

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Speaker 1: Canberra to apply more comprehensive sanctions and to ensure no

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Speaker 1: Australian made parts were going into israel warplanes. Meanwhile, US

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Speaker 1: President Donald Trump has given Hamas three to four days

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a very sad end. The plan

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Speaker 1: Mortgage holders may have to wait longer for more interest

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Speaker 1: rate relief after commentary from the Reserve Bank's Board and

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Speaker 1: Governor Michelle Bullock was more pessimistic about inflation than expected.

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Speaker 1: The RBA left the cash rate on hold at three

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Speaker 1: a third. US President Donald Trump and Defense Secretary Peak

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Speaker 1: woke is over. Hegxeth told the assembled military top brass,

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Speaker 1: woke Department, but not anymore, explaining sweeping changes to how

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Speaker 1: discrimination complaints were handled and that it would change because

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Speaker 1: the honorable thing and resign, before he criticized the look

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Speaker 1: filed for divorce. The documents were filed in Nashville, where

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, access in your scripts is about to

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Speaker 2: get easier. There's a huge change happening in Australia's health

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Speaker 2: prescribe medications. Until now, prescribing medication is something only doctors, dentists, optometrists,

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Speaker 2: Now tens of thousands of nurses could start the journey

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Speaker 2: not working alone. Nurses who've signed up for the additional

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Speaker 2: but it'll likely be twenty twenty six before patients get

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Speaker 2: second anniversary of the October seven attacks, when Hamas militants

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Speaker 2: others during a music festival. Since October seven, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: the UN Commission has declared a genocide in Gaza, carried

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Speaker 2: There's been temporary ceasefires and the release of handfuls of hostages,

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Speaker 2: the war was submitted by mister peacemaker himself, Donald Trump. Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: the US President unveiled a sweeping twenty point peace proposal

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Speaker 3: It's just a part of the bigger picture, which is

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Speaker 2: The plan aims to end the conflict between Israel and Hamas,

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Speaker 2: but not everyone's convinced, and some say it's Israel, not

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Speaker 2: plan outlines twenty action points, including calls for an immediate

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Speaker 2: But there's a glaringly apparent catch. At the time of recording,

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Speaker 2: Hamas has not agreed to any of these terms. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the plan hinges largely on their buy in. If her

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Speaker 3: If a master rejects a deal, which is always possible,

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Speaker 2: But if implemented, the plan would see an apolitical Palestinian

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Speaker 2: winner here? Israeli Prime Minister that Yahoo supports the plan,

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Speaker 2: saying it achieves Israel's goals. International voices, including France, say

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Speaker 2: but that too remains to be seen. As always, to

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Speaker 2: international relations expert doctor Jessica Genauer, Jess. Let's start with

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Speaker 2: your thoughts. What did you make of this twenty point

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Speaker 4: So I think a couple of things. I think, on

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Speaker 4: reaching agreement that provides for a permanent military withdrawal of

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Speaker 4: this twenty point plan. On the other hand, I think

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Speaker 2: Hamas is yet to sign on the dotted line, at

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Speaker 4: I actually do think that Hamas probably will agree at

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Speaker 4: trying to bring any pressure to bear that he can

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting position that the US President Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: and he's made some steps in doing that in other conflicts.

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Speaker 1: But what I find.

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Speaker 2: Particularly interesting about this twenty point plan is earlier this year,

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Speaker 2: Trump floated the idea that all these people living in

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Speaker 2: out of Palestine. Now, under this plan, he says that

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Speaker 2: people could return home. Why do you think he's changed

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. So I think that President Trump is

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Speaker 4: trying to partly provide Biniminetnyahu with things that he sees

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Speaker 4: So he's also trying to provide for things within the

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Speaker 4: for the US as well. I guess the important voice

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Speaker 4: So whilst it seems that Trump may have talked to Katar,

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Speaker 2: Israel has already accepted the dealnet Yaho has said that

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Speaker 2: Because in my mind, if there's a full military withdrawal,

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Speaker 4: That would be around first of all, the hostages being

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that new sort of world order that will be

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Speaker 2: if this deal does go off without a hitch, if

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Speaker 2: everybody who needs to signs it does so. One of

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Speaker 2: those key factors is this sort of apolitical temporary government

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Speaker 2: Can you explain to us what some of those concerns are.

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Speaker 4: I think this shows that Trump himself is a little

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Speaker 4: So even though there might have been a plan in

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Speaker 4: turn out that way, and really, you know, was much

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Speaker 4: properly implemented. It doesn't really sound like Palestinians themselves are involved,

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Speaker 4: that and create a more lasting piece.

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Speaker 2: Now reading some of the fine print and listening to

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Speaker 2: He says that if Hamas does not sign the deal,

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Speaker 2: And I say that in quotation marks. So basically it's

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Speaker 2: Because they don't accept this deal.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they have a lot of options or choices.

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Speaker 4: I think that that sort of threat probably will be

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Speaker 4: concern would be even if Hamas disbands completely as a

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Speaker 4: How does that reconstruction actually take place? How does the

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Speaker 4: will it actually work?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano,

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Speaker 2: and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Tig and Sadler.