1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,744 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,784 --> 00:00:30,704 Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick. 5 00:00:30,344 --> 00:00:33,424 Speaker 1: And I'm Cassanye Lukitch. On today's show, we're going to 6 00:00:33,424 --> 00:00:38,144 Speaker 1: be talking about Pete Davidson's podcast interview on The Breakfast Club, 7 00:00:38,184 --> 00:00:42,944 Speaker 1: so he talks about his BD energy and over sexualization. 8 00:00:43,464 --> 00:00:46,504 Speaker 1: He also talks a little bit about his new bub 9 00:00:46,584 --> 00:00:48,624 Speaker 1: that's on the way, So we're going to really go 10 00:00:48,864 --> 00:00:52,024 Speaker 1: into that. But first, Laura, what have we got? 11 00:00:52,264 --> 00:00:55,024 Speaker 2: Yes? But first some very important breaking news, and that 12 00:00:55,184 --> 00:00:58,144 Speaker 2: is the fact that double Oscar winner Emma Stone has 13 00:00:58,224 --> 00:01:01,584 Speaker 2: taken part in Vogue's Life and Looks series, which is 14 00:01:01,624 --> 00:01:03,664 Speaker 2: a series that I quite love from Vogue where they 15 00:01:03,744 --> 00:01:07,344 Speaker 2: get famous women to go through all their past red 16 00:01:07,384 --> 00:01:09,704 Speaker 2: carpet looks and tell the stories behind them, which I 17 00:01:09,784 --> 00:01:12,424 Speaker 2: always find the most interesting part of red carpet dressing 18 00:01:12,544 --> 00:01:14,424 Speaker 2: is like, what was the story? What was happening in 19 00:01:14,464 --> 00:01:14,904 Speaker 2: that moment? 20 00:01:15,184 --> 00:01:17,784 Speaker 1: I love it as well. I love hearing like what 21 00:01:17,824 --> 00:01:20,024 Speaker 1: went into it? Like what were they thinking? Why did 22 00:01:20,064 --> 00:01:22,304 Speaker 1: they choose it? You know all those stories about oh, 23 00:01:22,344 --> 00:01:25,504 Speaker 1: I went to the department store five minutes before and 24 00:01:25,544 --> 00:01:28,224 Speaker 1: I couldn't afford. Like, those stories just make things just 25 00:01:28,264 --> 00:01:29,024 Speaker 1: so much more fun. 26 00:01:29,104 --> 00:01:30,864 Speaker 2: And I should say, as we're talking about all these looks, 27 00:01:30,864 --> 00:01:33,464 Speaker 2: we will put them all up on our Instagram's page 28 00:01:33,544 --> 00:01:35,824 Speaker 2: The Spill podcast on Instagram if you want to follow 29 00:01:35,824 --> 00:01:37,184 Speaker 2: along and see what we're talking about. 30 00:01:37,464 --> 00:01:40,184 Speaker 1: Maybe then we can put our fake tan fails there. 31 00:01:40,624 --> 00:01:43,224 Speaker 2: I think I've deleted all those photos. They might not exist. 32 00:01:43,264 --> 00:01:47,544 Speaker 1: Sorry, my year ten formal fake tan fail is so 33 00:01:47,624 --> 00:01:48,424 Speaker 1: bad and you can just. 34 00:01:48,384 --> 00:01:49,784 Speaker 2: Take a photo of me right now and put it 35 00:01:49,784 --> 00:01:50,904 Speaker 2: off where we're in it now. 36 00:01:51,064 --> 00:01:52,904 Speaker 1: It's not bad I'm talking about. 37 00:01:53,184 --> 00:01:56,224 Speaker 2: But yes, Emma Stone has some red carpet regrets, which 38 00:01:56,264 --> 00:01:57,824 Speaker 2: of course she does. She's been in the industry for 39 00:01:57,824 --> 00:01:59,944 Speaker 2: a really long time. She was also in the industry 40 00:02:00,264 --> 00:02:02,144 Speaker 2: at a time when she was very young, and there 41 00:02:02,184 --> 00:02:05,424 Speaker 2: was also a very specific look for how every actress 42 00:02:05,504 --> 00:02:07,984 Speaker 2: was supposed to present, and she really lent into that. 43 00:02:08,384 --> 00:02:11,024 Speaker 2: So she talks about the fact that she went a 44 00:02:11,024 --> 00:02:13,704 Speaker 2: little too hard on the spray hand and a moment 45 00:02:13,744 --> 00:02:16,424 Speaker 2: in time being there, I'm there right now, don't zoom me. 46 00:02:16,904 --> 00:02:21,984 Speaker 2: It's just so hard. No, don't look, it's no. The 47 00:02:22,024 --> 00:02:25,704 Speaker 2: palms about and the elbows like, oh my god, don't look. 48 00:02:25,744 --> 00:02:28,144 Speaker 2: It's again. It's not my fault. Women like Emma Stone 49 00:02:28,184 --> 00:02:29,344 Speaker 2: tell me I need to do it. 50 00:02:29,384 --> 00:02:32,024 Speaker 1: The first time I ever did a false hand, I 51 00:02:32,064 --> 00:02:34,424 Speaker 1: did it myself, and I remember walking down the street, 52 00:02:34,504 --> 00:02:36,704 Speaker 1: my dad goes, what's going on with the back of 53 00:02:36,744 --> 00:02:38,584 Speaker 1: your legs. I completely missed. 54 00:02:38,304 --> 00:02:40,024 Speaker 2: The back of my legs. I just had a white 55 00:02:40,024 --> 00:02:42,984 Speaker 2: O my god, that happens even to this day. I 56 00:02:42,984 --> 00:02:44,704 Speaker 2: thought i'd be over this as an adult. My brother 57 00:02:44,824 --> 00:02:48,144 Speaker 2: still sings the Oompu lumpa song really loudly whenever I 58 00:02:48,184 --> 00:02:50,944 Speaker 2: walk into a room, and again like, you don't need 59 00:02:50,984 --> 00:02:53,624 Speaker 2: to ten. And I know it's very problematic and stuff, 60 00:02:53,664 --> 00:02:55,904 Speaker 2: but some of us have not pretty pale skin. Some 61 00:02:55,944 --> 00:02:58,464 Speaker 2: of us have blotchy, pale skin and must cover it up. 62 00:02:58,664 --> 00:03:00,984 Speaker 1: Laura, I'm right there with you. I have really fair 63 00:03:01,024 --> 00:03:03,024 Speaker 1: skin too, and I need like a little bit of 64 00:03:03,624 --> 00:03:05,624 Speaker 1: glow otherwise I look at not well. 65 00:03:05,624 --> 00:03:08,544 Speaker 2: And also it's not the glossy and Hathaway's skin. It's 66 00:03:08,624 --> 00:03:10,264 Speaker 2: the kind of not saying you look like this, but 67 00:03:10,464 --> 00:03:13,184 Speaker 2: the sallow red kind of skin. Oh anyway, yes. 68 00:03:13,224 --> 00:03:14,744 Speaker 1: Sorry, but again we're off track. 69 00:03:14,824 --> 00:03:16,464 Speaker 2: But also this is what Emma Stone was saying. 70 00:03:16,584 --> 00:03:20,824 Speaker 1: I empathize with Emma Stone when she had her ten. 71 00:03:21,064 --> 00:03:22,944 Speaker 2: Yes, and so she was saying that. So she said 72 00:03:22,944 --> 00:03:25,064 Speaker 2: she was growing up in Arizona and her skin just 73 00:03:25,144 --> 00:03:27,784 Speaker 2: doesn't tan. She did do the problematic thing of that, well, 74 00:03:27,824 --> 00:03:29,784 Speaker 2: the dangerous I should say, thing of like trying to 75 00:03:29,824 --> 00:03:32,704 Speaker 2: tan from sun and her skin just wouldn't like react 76 00:03:32,704 --> 00:03:35,064 Speaker 2: to it properly. So when she got into Hollywood, she 77 00:03:35,104 --> 00:03:37,304 Speaker 2: said she would slap on the fake tan because she 78 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:39,704 Speaker 2: thought that's how she's supposed to look. And she's going 79 00:03:39,704 --> 00:03:42,704 Speaker 2: through these photos and she's like, look, beautiful dress, terrible tan. 80 00:03:42,704 --> 00:03:45,584 Speaker 2: Beautiful dress, terrible tan. And then she referenced one look 81 00:03:45,624 --> 00:03:47,664 Speaker 2: and this made me laugh because she was talking about 82 00:03:47,704 --> 00:03:52,144 Speaker 2: her twenty eleven Golden Globes look and said, the dress 83 00:03:52,224 --> 00:03:54,864 Speaker 2: is so pretty, but I look like a thumb because 84 00:03:55,344 --> 00:03:58,704 Speaker 2: and the thing is critically acclaimed actress Emma Stone double 85 00:03:58,704 --> 00:04:01,344 Speaker 2: Oscar winner does look like a thumb because she had 86 00:04:01,384 --> 00:04:04,064 Speaker 2: somehow tanned herself to be the exact same color of 87 00:04:04,104 --> 00:04:06,824 Speaker 2: the dress, and so she is one color walking along 88 00:04:06,904 --> 00:04:07,904 Speaker 2: the red carpet. 89 00:04:07,624 --> 00:04:11,384 Speaker 1: Dresses, the Calvin Kline apricot. I'm sure you could bring 90 00:04:11,424 --> 00:04:13,904 Speaker 1: it to mind, like it's such a beautiful that era 91 00:04:14,064 --> 00:04:17,624 Speaker 1: of like Calvin Kleine on red carpets was one of 92 00:04:17,624 --> 00:04:20,224 Speaker 1: my favorites, Like Jennifer Lawrence in that red Calvinklin dress 93 00:04:20,424 --> 00:04:23,504 Speaker 1: when I first noticed her, And I think maybe the 94 00:04:23,584 --> 00:04:27,104 Speaker 1: color itself, even if she was her really fair skin, 95 00:04:27,224 --> 00:04:29,944 Speaker 1: probably wasn't her. Like if we're talking about, you know, the. 96 00:04:29,944 --> 00:04:33,304 Speaker 2: Color, wearing an almost for her skin color dress is 97 00:04:33,344 --> 00:04:34,064 Speaker 2: hard to pull. 98 00:04:34,064 --> 00:04:36,424 Speaker 1: It's really hard. That aprocot color is really hard for 99 00:04:36,544 --> 00:04:39,904 Speaker 1: us fair skinned girls. But I also really like it 100 00:04:39,944 --> 00:04:43,664 Speaker 1: when people kind of go, eh, maybe that wasn't quite 101 00:04:44,264 --> 00:04:47,544 Speaker 1: the right thing for me. And when you've been in 102 00:04:47,584 --> 00:04:49,944 Speaker 1: Hollywood for a really long time, which a lot of 103 00:04:50,144 --> 00:04:54,024 Speaker 1: Salambs have particularly, I think the golden era is like 104 00:04:54,064 --> 00:04:57,624 Speaker 1: the early two thousands, and one that springs to mind 105 00:04:57,664 --> 00:05:02,464 Speaker 1: for me is probably Ashley Tisdale, right. I feel like 106 00:05:02,544 --> 00:05:06,384 Speaker 1: Ashley Tisdale was just so iconic in those early Disney 107 00:05:06,504 --> 00:05:09,544 Speaker 1: days and I've sort of looked back at some of 108 00:05:09,584 --> 00:05:11,864 Speaker 1: her you know, the dress over the pants and you know, 109 00:05:11,984 --> 00:05:16,944 Speaker 1: those really great two thousands looks and she says she 110 00:05:17,064 --> 00:05:19,944 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, maybe they weren't great, but I was 111 00:05:20,024 --> 00:05:22,304 Speaker 1: just a girl dancing to the beat of my own drama. 112 00:05:22,424 --> 00:05:24,864 Speaker 2: I love those photos of Ashley Tisdale where she's got 113 00:05:24,864 --> 00:05:26,824 Speaker 2: the dress over the pants. First of all, bring that 114 00:05:26,864 --> 00:05:29,104 Speaker 2: back because if you're a tall girl, that works for you, 115 00:05:29,504 --> 00:05:31,304 Speaker 2: because it's hard to find top so long enough. And 116 00:05:31,304 --> 00:05:33,704 Speaker 2: also when she's got about fifteen belts, I remember like 117 00:05:33,704 --> 00:05:36,904 Speaker 2: a shrug. She wears shrug and then a scarf and 118 00:05:36,904 --> 00:05:39,344 Speaker 2: then a hand necklace and she just looked like she's 119 00:05:39,344 --> 00:05:40,344 Speaker 2: having the best time I. 120 00:05:40,344 --> 00:05:42,384 Speaker 1: Know, And like she kind of looks back at it 121 00:05:42,424 --> 00:05:45,744 Speaker 1: and goes, I mean, maybe they're not exactly great, but 122 00:05:46,264 --> 00:05:49,864 Speaker 1: I just was doing my own thing, and I kind 123 00:05:49,864 --> 00:05:51,784 Speaker 1: of love that for her. Yeah. 124 00:05:51,864 --> 00:05:53,864 Speaker 2: I love when slums either share like the fashion or 125 00:05:53,864 --> 00:05:56,984 Speaker 2: beauty disaster or just a dress that didn't work. Another 126 00:05:57,024 --> 00:05:58,744 Speaker 2: one that comes to mind, and this is also a 127 00:05:58,784 --> 00:06:00,664 Speaker 2: tan story, which again should put me off tanning, but 128 00:06:00,704 --> 00:06:03,624 Speaker 2: it's not going to with the twenty eighteen Metgala, when 129 00:06:03,664 --> 00:06:06,184 Speaker 2: Selena Gomez arrived and you first saw the just the 130 00:06:06,224 --> 00:06:08,064 Speaker 2: silhouette of her getting out of a car and she's 131 00:06:08,104 --> 00:06:10,904 Speaker 2: wearing this beautiful gown that looks like she's stepped out 132 00:06:10,904 --> 00:06:13,664 Speaker 2: of like a fairy tale, and she's got glitteral through 133 00:06:13,664 --> 00:06:15,664 Speaker 2: her hair and everything, and it just it just she 134 00:06:15,824 --> 00:06:19,304 Speaker 2: looks like a princess. And then her tan was so 135 00:06:19,304 --> 00:06:23,984 Speaker 2: so so dark. It looked like describe it like she'd 136 00:06:24,024 --> 00:06:26,784 Speaker 2: fallen face forward in like a dark paint or something 137 00:06:26,824 --> 00:06:28,464 Speaker 2: like that. And I don't say that in a mean way, 138 00:06:28,544 --> 00:06:30,904 Speaker 2: because she is very rare and it was just a mistake, 139 00:06:30,944 --> 00:06:33,264 Speaker 2: like this stuff happens. It's a white dress. She won 140 00:06:33,344 --> 00:06:35,024 Speaker 2: a little bit of color before the event, so she 141 00:06:35,064 --> 00:06:37,304 Speaker 2: put on a fake tan, and it just got darker 142 00:06:37,344 --> 00:06:39,704 Speaker 2: and darker and darker through the night, so it didn't 143 00:06:39,744 --> 00:06:41,584 Speaker 2: look like that when she left the house. And then 144 00:06:41,944 --> 00:06:44,904 Speaker 2: in interviews after that, she has said it was the 145 00:06:44,904 --> 00:06:48,344 Speaker 2: most prestigious fashion moment of the year, and my tan 146 00:06:48,464 --> 00:06:50,504 Speaker 2: was so terrible. And there's videos of her the next 147 00:06:50,584 --> 00:06:54,064 Speaker 2: day leaving the hotel and she's signing autographs for all 148 00:06:54,104 --> 00:06:55,704 Speaker 2: these fans who are so excited to see her because 149 00:06:55,704 --> 00:06:58,664 Speaker 2: she's Selena Gomez. Everyone loves her and they were like, Selena, 150 00:06:58,784 --> 00:07:00,584 Speaker 2: you look so beautiful. She's like, yeah, I fixed it 151 00:07:00,584 --> 00:07:03,024 Speaker 2: from the metgala and we've all had a tang to us. 152 00:07:03,144 --> 00:07:04,704 Speaker 2: I was once going to be on a massive red 153 00:07:04,704 --> 00:07:07,344 Speaker 2: carpet like filming for the Actor Awards, and I had 154 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:08,784 Speaker 2: to bring my dress to work and it had a 155 00:07:08,824 --> 00:07:10,624 Speaker 2: slit and I was so tired that night before. I'm like, 156 00:07:10,984 --> 00:07:12,584 Speaker 2: I'm just going to tan one leg because you're not 157 00:07:12,584 --> 00:07:18,584 Speaker 2: going to see the other one, and the photos are 158 00:07:18,664 --> 00:07:20,944 Speaker 2: so bad. That's the time. I had a few times 159 00:07:20,984 --> 00:07:23,744 Speaker 2: where I tried to digitally tan my legs. Afterwards it 160 00:07:23,784 --> 00:07:25,424 Speaker 2: doesn't I just put on the bathroom at work and 161 00:07:25,464 --> 00:07:29,264 Speaker 2: I was like, oh God, my god, it's the wrong leg. 162 00:07:29,864 --> 00:07:33,384 Speaker 1: I love that. So honestly, if you haven't had a 163 00:07:33,384 --> 00:07:40,584 Speaker 1: turning disasters with melan and don't have our best kind wars. 164 00:07:41,064 --> 00:07:44,784 Speaker 1: Speaking of the Megalla, Sabrina Carpenter actually this year, so 165 00:07:44,824 --> 00:07:49,664 Speaker 1: she wore Louis Vuitton. Farrell Williams actually sort of dressed 166 00:07:49,704 --> 00:07:53,304 Speaker 1: her and she was wearing this like that's a suited thing, 167 00:07:53,384 --> 00:07:56,584 Speaker 1: and she basically wore no pants. So Farrell said to her, 168 00:07:57,064 --> 00:07:59,904 Speaker 1: you're so short, so no pants for you. So here 169 00:07:59,944 --> 00:08:03,304 Speaker 1: we are. Afterwards, people were like, what were you thinking? 170 00:08:03,424 --> 00:08:05,424 Speaker 1: And then she kind of wrote back and was like, yeah, 171 00:08:05,704 --> 00:08:06,344 Speaker 1: I fucked up. 172 00:08:06,384 --> 00:08:09,184 Speaker 2: I trust in the moment, I thought she looked thought 173 00:08:09,264 --> 00:08:11,744 Speaker 2: she looked great. She was one of my favorites from 174 00:08:11,744 --> 00:08:13,184 Speaker 2: that night. With this, it's very her. 175 00:08:13,424 --> 00:08:17,304 Speaker 1: So the criticism was from some person on X saying 176 00:08:18,024 --> 00:08:22,104 Speaker 1: because of her proportions, it wasn't quite right. Maybe that's 177 00:08:22,144 --> 00:08:25,264 Speaker 1: what she responded to. Again, I think she looked gorgeous. 178 00:08:25,304 --> 00:08:27,704 Speaker 1: I liked the color on her. But you know, it's 179 00:08:27,864 --> 00:08:32,184 Speaker 1: just funny when people respond to that, because we all 180 00:08:32,184 --> 00:08:36,264 Speaker 1: have our worst dressed moments, and not most most of 181 00:08:36,344 --> 00:08:38,664 Speaker 1: us don't have to have it in film forever. 182 00:08:38,864 --> 00:08:41,024 Speaker 2: I know something was like being an event and realizing 183 00:08:41,064 --> 00:08:43,544 Speaker 2: that you look terrible. The other thing about hearing solids 184 00:08:43,584 --> 00:08:46,104 Speaker 2: talk about their worst red carpet moments is that I 185 00:08:46,144 --> 00:08:47,984 Speaker 2: know about you. But when I first would like find 186 00:08:48,024 --> 00:08:51,264 Speaker 2: tabloid mags lying around as a kid, like the hairdresser 187 00:08:51,384 --> 00:08:53,624 Speaker 2: or my mum had bought them all something, I'd flick 188 00:08:53,664 --> 00:08:55,264 Speaker 2: through them and they would just be dresses that I'm 189 00:08:55,304 --> 00:08:57,744 Speaker 2: just like, Oh my god, that's the best anyone has 190 00:08:57,784 --> 00:09:00,464 Speaker 2: ever looked. This person looks like a princess. And I 191 00:09:00,544 --> 00:09:03,744 Speaker 2: used to always think of this nicole kidman look from 192 00:09:03,744 --> 00:09:05,664 Speaker 2: two thousand and four that she wore the Golden Globe 193 00:09:05,664 --> 00:09:07,704 Speaker 2: there was like one of my faves. And then it 194 00:09:07,744 --> 00:09:09,784 Speaker 2: was only a few years ago for W magazine that 195 00:09:09,864 --> 00:09:12,264 Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, my mum hated most of my 196 00:09:12,344 --> 00:09:14,504 Speaker 2: red carpet looks. And I was like, well, that's real, 197 00:09:14,544 --> 00:09:16,424 Speaker 2: because no one will tell you look bad like your mom. 198 00:09:16,784 --> 00:09:18,304 Speaker 2: She feels like it. She's be honest. And then she 199 00:09:18,384 --> 00:09:20,784 Speaker 2: references this time she wore a headband to the Golden 200 00:09:20,824 --> 00:09:23,024 Speaker 2: Globes and was like, that was too much. It looked terrible, 201 00:09:23,064 --> 00:09:24,984 Speaker 2: but I guess we all have to have a few disasters. 202 00:09:25,504 --> 00:09:27,304 Speaker 2: And I was like, that was the dress I've been 203 00:09:27,384 --> 00:09:30,304 Speaker 2: coveting all these years, and I thought that she looked 204 00:09:30,304 --> 00:09:32,864 Speaker 2: so incredible with the head piece and the flapper style 205 00:09:32,944 --> 00:09:35,384 Speaker 2: dress and the sequins. Only to know that Nicole Kidman 206 00:09:35,464 --> 00:09:37,944 Speaker 2: all these years has hated it, well, I feel betrayed. 207 00:09:38,384 --> 00:09:42,104 Speaker 1: Maybe she will be happy because it is iconic to 208 00:09:42,184 --> 00:09:44,264 Speaker 1: you and maybe it's what's important. 209 00:09:44,304 --> 00:09:46,384 Speaker 2: And she was different from everyone else. They all look 210 00:09:46,424 --> 00:09:47,944 Speaker 2: the same, and I just thought that was great, but 211 00:09:47,984 --> 00:09:48,584 Speaker 2: she betrayed me. 212 00:09:48,864 --> 00:09:51,304 Speaker 1: Just to finish this up, I think we have to 213 00:09:51,384 --> 00:09:55,544 Speaker 1: mention Kim Kardashian's bandage dress and platform high heels face, 214 00:09:56,224 --> 00:09:59,264 Speaker 1: which she has openly talked about being one of her 215 00:09:59,944 --> 00:10:05,704 Speaker 1: least fashionable moment, and like, if you're a Kardashians fan, 216 00:10:05,864 --> 00:10:09,984 Speaker 1: you will remember that moment where Kanye walks in to 217 00:10:10,104 --> 00:10:14,224 Speaker 1: her wardrobe and starts like pulling and throwing away like 218 00:10:14,304 --> 00:10:15,584 Speaker 1: every single item. 219 00:10:15,344 --> 00:10:17,304 Speaker 2: Of hate at that moment. I hate it and can 220 00:10:17,344 --> 00:10:18,944 Speaker 2: what people say. I've stod on the point. Many times 221 00:10:18,944 --> 00:10:20,544 Speaker 2: people get angry, am me, I don't care. I hate it. 222 00:10:20,624 --> 00:10:22,744 Speaker 1: There's parts of it the bother way, but I also understand. 223 00:10:22,784 --> 00:10:26,384 Speaker 1: But she just her two thousand style with those like 224 00:10:26,704 --> 00:10:32,264 Speaker 1: lubraton ultra platform high heels, and She's like I basically 225 00:10:32,304 --> 00:10:35,264 Speaker 1: had to throw away like thirty pairs of lubatons, and 226 00:10:35,304 --> 00:10:36,624 Speaker 1: I was like, I hate. 227 00:10:36,704 --> 00:10:39,144 Speaker 2: I know she she talks shit a lot herself on 228 00:10:39,384 --> 00:10:41,984 Speaker 2: her like early two thousand style, but I'm like, that 229 00:10:42,104 --> 00:10:44,024 Speaker 2: was off the moment. And also I think she forgets 230 00:10:44,024 --> 00:10:45,864 Speaker 2: that us watching a home how much we kind of 231 00:10:45,904 --> 00:10:48,384 Speaker 2: coveted that look of that. It was like this really 232 00:10:48,424 --> 00:10:51,384 Speaker 2: over the top but almost like cheap, easy, affordable glamor 233 00:10:51,464 --> 00:10:54,304 Speaker 2: that teenagers and women in their twenties wanted to wear. 234 00:10:54,784 --> 00:10:58,984 Speaker 1: The irv LA bandage dress just has such a choke 235 00:10:59,064 --> 00:11:02,624 Speaker 1: hold on millennials. Bring it back, I say, And then 236 00:11:02,664 --> 00:11:05,344 Speaker 1: we all just wore like the offcam YEA, like a 237 00:11:05,544 --> 00:11:06,384 Speaker 1: cheap version. 238 00:11:06,704 --> 00:11:09,064 Speaker 2: I know. I see kids today out clubbing and like 239 00:11:09,104 --> 00:11:11,584 Speaker 2: sneakers and jeans. I'm like, how dare you wear an 240 00:11:11,664 --> 00:11:14,344 Speaker 2: uncomfortable pair of shoes and a little mini dress like 241 00:11:14,384 --> 00:11:17,104 Speaker 2: everyone else I know? And like tough enough and like 242 00:11:17,464 --> 00:11:20,624 Speaker 2: walk home and don't take your high heels off like 243 00:11:20,664 --> 00:11:22,704 Speaker 2: the rest of it. I mean, covered in blisters and 244 00:11:22,704 --> 00:11:24,864 Speaker 2: probably give usself long term bone damage for the rest 245 00:11:24,904 --> 00:11:26,944 Speaker 2: of your life. That's why I like a real party girl. 246 00:11:26,944 --> 00:11:32,024 Speaker 2: That's what my He's hurt me too. So Pete Davidson 247 00:11:32,104 --> 00:11:34,424 Speaker 2: has been kind of under the radar at the moment. 248 00:11:34,504 --> 00:11:36,304 Speaker 2: I mean, he's got a new movie out to pick 249 00:11:36,384 --> 00:11:38,824 Speaker 2: up with Kiky Palm and Eddie Murphy, so he's around. 250 00:11:38,864 --> 00:11:40,504 Speaker 2: I guess I'm just thinking back to a time when 251 00:11:40,504 --> 00:11:42,704 Speaker 2: he was on the front cover of every magazine, every 252 00:11:42,784 --> 00:11:46,424 Speaker 2: news site on Yeah, those kind of days. So if 253 00:11:46,464 --> 00:11:48,144 Speaker 2: we're looking back to that time, he's a bit under 254 00:11:48,184 --> 00:11:50,024 Speaker 2: the radar, which is why I thought it was so 255 00:11:50,104 --> 00:11:52,904 Speaker 2: interesting that he sat down to do this long form 256 00:11:52,984 --> 00:11:56,224 Speaker 2: podcast interview on the Breakfast Club, and he got to 257 00:11:56,304 --> 00:11:58,544 Speaker 2: sort of address all these huge things that have been 258 00:11:58,584 --> 00:12:01,344 Speaker 2: happening in his life in the last couple of years. 259 00:12:01,304 --> 00:12:05,184 Speaker 1: And it was super candid and really earnest, which I 260 00:12:05,264 --> 00:12:07,824 Speaker 1: quite like we've both listened to the whole thing. So 261 00:12:08,104 --> 00:12:10,704 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard of the Breakfast Club, Breakfast is 262 00:12:10,744 --> 00:12:15,624 Speaker 1: hosted by Charmaine dj Envy and Angela Yao, And it 263 00:12:15,664 --> 00:12:18,744 Speaker 1: was a really great interview. A lot of great things 264 00:12:18,744 --> 00:12:22,304 Speaker 1: to pull from it. Some of the things that he said, 265 00:12:22,424 --> 00:12:25,664 Speaker 1: and I think particularly around his girlfriend now and the 266 00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:28,664 Speaker 1: fact that they're having a baby was really nice. But 267 00:12:28,904 --> 00:12:32,064 Speaker 1: it was just really interesting to see him talk about 268 00:12:32,184 --> 00:12:35,184 Speaker 1: fame in a way of how it affected him and 269 00:12:35,224 --> 00:12:39,944 Speaker 1: how he's taken these steps to prioritize his own mental health. 270 00:12:40,384 --> 00:12:42,144 Speaker 2: Yes, so he was sort of talking about all the 271 00:12:42,184 --> 00:12:44,464 Speaker 2: work he's done and coming out of rehab and everything, 272 00:12:44,504 --> 00:12:46,944 Speaker 2: but also how he's kind of changed the projects he 273 00:12:47,024 --> 00:12:49,184 Speaker 2: appears in and the work he's doing and who he 274 00:12:49,224 --> 00:12:51,344 Speaker 2: hangs out with. And it's kind of interesting because he's 275 00:12:51,384 --> 00:12:53,624 Speaker 2: going through this whole sort of these catalysts in the 276 00:12:53,704 --> 00:12:55,304 Speaker 2: last couple of years in his life and why things 277 00:12:55,344 --> 00:12:57,944 Speaker 2: have changed and how difficult it was to be in 278 00:12:57,984 --> 00:13:00,904 Speaker 2: the public eye, and understandably the host or a bit 279 00:13:00,984 --> 00:13:02,984 Speaker 2: like at one stage, like, well, hold up, was it 280 00:13:03,104 --> 00:13:06,024 Speaker 2: really that bad? Because you were super famous, you were 281 00:13:06,024 --> 00:13:09,744 Speaker 2: on a TV show, you were dating these beautiful women 282 00:13:09,784 --> 00:13:11,944 Speaker 2: who all thing me obsessed with you, and everyone was like, 283 00:13:12,064 --> 00:13:15,424 Speaker 2: he's got a huge dick? What was wrong? And from 284 00:13:15,424 --> 00:13:18,104 Speaker 2: that moment, that's when Pete gets even more serious and 285 00:13:18,144 --> 00:13:20,304 Speaker 2: he starts to tell his side of the story of 286 00:13:20,304 --> 00:13:23,144 Speaker 2: how he felt that moment when everyone was talking about 287 00:13:23,144 --> 00:13:23,624 Speaker 2: his body. 288 00:13:24,024 --> 00:13:27,344 Speaker 3: It's embarrassing because you know, first of all, it's Hollywood, 289 00:13:27,424 --> 00:13:33,824 Speaker 3: everybody bucks everyone, Yeah, everybody's dating everybody. Why are they 290 00:13:33,864 --> 00:13:37,664 Speaker 3: focusing on me? It's because it's I'm not you know, 291 00:13:37,904 --> 00:13:41,104 Speaker 3: I'm not Glenn Powell handsome. You know, I'm just this 292 00:13:41,304 --> 00:13:43,424 Speaker 3: like dude that tells dick jokes that look that as 293 00:13:43,464 --> 00:13:47,264 Speaker 3: a drug addict. So it was like a it was 294 00:13:47,704 --> 00:13:48,704 Speaker 3: it was like what it. 295 00:13:49,024 --> 00:13:49,344 Speaker 1: Was like what? 296 00:13:49,864 --> 00:13:50,104 Speaker 2: Yeah? 297 00:13:50,144 --> 00:13:52,144 Speaker 3: And it had nothing to do with comedy, and like 298 00:13:52,784 --> 00:13:58,344 Speaker 3: also like that stuff affects relationships, like seeing that and 299 00:13:58,424 --> 00:14:01,104 Speaker 3: like trying to move around and go on dates and 300 00:14:01,184 --> 00:14:04,744 Speaker 3: like just be like a young dude who's trying to 301 00:14:04,744 --> 00:14:07,824 Speaker 3: figure out who he is and like not to be like, 302 00:14:09,344 --> 00:14:12,984 Speaker 3: I don't want to victimize myself in any way because 303 00:14:12,984 --> 00:14:18,064 Speaker 3: I'm cool, but like the sexualization of me, like if 304 00:14:18,104 --> 00:14:21,944 Speaker 3: that was a girl, you know, like people will be like, 305 00:14:21,984 --> 00:14:27,784 Speaker 3: there'll be a march for it, Like you just seriously, 306 00:14:28,504 --> 00:14:30,344 Speaker 3: you're just talking about my dick all day. 307 00:14:31,344 --> 00:14:33,904 Speaker 1: Okay. So I actually do understand where he's coming from, 308 00:14:33,904 --> 00:14:37,024 Speaker 1: because clearly he was in a pretty troubled time of 309 00:14:37,064 --> 00:14:39,984 Speaker 1: his life. He was going through drug addiction and mental health, 310 00:14:40,064 --> 00:14:45,144 Speaker 1: and this was kind of his launch into fame and 311 00:14:45,184 --> 00:14:47,904 Speaker 1: having all of that out on display. I do have 312 00:14:48,024 --> 00:14:53,624 Speaker 1: a slight issue with when men compare the over sexualization 313 00:14:53,784 --> 00:14:56,864 Speaker 1: of themselves to that of Well, if it was a woman, 314 00:14:57,544 --> 00:15:00,824 Speaker 1: then it would be different. My issue with that is 315 00:15:00,824 --> 00:15:05,584 Speaker 1: that contextually and historically, reacting to like deep into this 316 00:15:06,184 --> 00:15:11,544 Speaker 1: sexualization of men hasn't inherently been dangerous, whereas for women 317 00:15:12,424 --> 00:15:14,864 Speaker 1: that has been a really dangerous place to be in. 318 00:15:15,424 --> 00:15:19,784 Speaker 1: So I understand the comparison, but it's not the same 319 00:15:20,104 --> 00:15:23,304 Speaker 1: like historically, like contextually. 320 00:15:23,024 --> 00:15:24,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's kind of what I thought as I 321 00:15:24,864 --> 00:15:26,424 Speaker 2: was listening to it as well. I mean I kind 322 00:15:26,424 --> 00:15:27,744 Speaker 2: of as I was listening to it, I was really 323 00:15:27,784 --> 00:15:29,744 Speaker 2: trying to kind of sit in it and see the 324 00:15:29,784 --> 00:15:32,504 Speaker 2: different sides, because I know he has said before he 325 00:15:32,544 --> 00:15:34,344 Speaker 2: didn't love it, and he doesn't like this focus on 326 00:15:34,384 --> 00:15:36,904 Speaker 2: who he's dating over his work, which again is a 327 00:15:36,944 --> 00:15:39,584 Speaker 2: very kind of especially a comedian thing, but an actor 328 00:15:39,624 --> 00:15:42,384 Speaker 2: thing of like wanting to be famous for what you're 329 00:15:42,424 --> 00:15:44,904 Speaker 2: doing and not just who you're dating, especially if you're 330 00:15:44,944 --> 00:15:46,744 Speaker 2: dating women who are more famous than you, and there's 331 00:15:46,744 --> 00:15:48,824 Speaker 2: a power and balance. But I always kind of thought 332 00:15:48,824 --> 00:15:51,704 Speaker 2: with Pete Davidson that he did like it a little bit, 333 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:54,984 Speaker 2: that he liked this huge cultural moment was happening around him, 334 00:15:55,264 --> 00:15:57,944 Speaker 2: because if you kind of go back to twenty eighteen 335 00:15:57,944 --> 00:16:00,624 Speaker 2: when this was such a huge thing, Big dig Energy, 336 00:16:00,904 --> 00:16:02,224 Speaker 2: do you remember when it took off and all of 337 00:16:02,224 --> 00:16:04,824 Speaker 2: a sudden it was being used in everyday lexicon and 338 00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:06,784 Speaker 2: it kind of still is, and there was merge and 339 00:16:06,824 --> 00:16:09,144 Speaker 2: people and there were photos, There were so many articles 340 00:16:09,144 --> 00:16:11,984 Speaker 2: written about it. It's so funny because in the podcast 341 00:16:11,984 --> 00:16:15,064 Speaker 2: interview just after that clip, they say, like who started that? 342 00:16:15,224 --> 00:16:17,464 Speaker 2: Who wrote that you had big dick energy? And he's like, 343 00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:19,624 Speaker 2: I think it was The New York Times, which is 344 00:16:19,664 --> 00:16:22,744 Speaker 2: so funny because like that's such a legitimate publication and 345 00:16:22,784 --> 00:16:25,104 Speaker 2: it was someone on Twitter Kyral Grant. I feel like 346 00:16:25,104 --> 00:16:26,944 Speaker 2: I've to say his name, because he got very angry 347 00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:29,104 Speaker 2: that everyone took his phrase. He was talking about Anthony 348 00:16:29,104 --> 00:16:32,024 Speaker 2: Bourdain dying and saying that he had big dick energy, 349 00:16:32,024 --> 00:16:34,224 Speaker 2: and then it kind of took off. But it wasn't 350 00:16:34,224 --> 00:16:36,464 Speaker 2: The New York Times that wrote that Pete Davidson had 351 00:16:36,504 --> 00:16:38,504 Speaker 2: big dick energy. It was actually The Cut, which is 352 00:16:38,544 --> 00:16:40,304 Speaker 2: owned by the same company. So I can see why 353 00:16:40,384 --> 00:16:43,784 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen that took off, and so I can 354 00:16:43,984 --> 00:16:47,504 Speaker 2: see how that kind of escalated. And then he's also 355 00:16:47,544 --> 00:16:50,744 Speaker 2: talking this interview about someone you're in a relationship with, 356 00:16:51,104 --> 00:16:53,864 Speaker 2: like talking about your body or like talking about your 357 00:16:53,904 --> 00:16:56,424 Speaker 2: sex life. So in the interview they say who wasn't 358 00:16:56,504 --> 00:16:57,744 Speaker 2: he was like, I'll let you figure it out. And 359 00:16:57,744 --> 00:17:01,024 Speaker 2: he's talking about Ariana Grande because she was releasing a 360 00:17:01,064 --> 00:17:03,584 Speaker 2: song at the time. That whole thing between her and 361 00:17:03,624 --> 00:17:06,104 Speaker 2: Pete being engaged in her walking around with like the 362 00:17:06,144 --> 00:17:09,144 Speaker 2: pigtails and the lollipop and everyone was like, what is 363 00:17:09,144 --> 00:17:11,664 Speaker 2: that beautiful woman doing with that gross guy, even though 364 00:17:11,704 --> 00:17:14,704 Speaker 2: he was like a tall, rich comedian. And someone asked 365 00:17:14,704 --> 00:17:17,464 Speaker 2: her on Twitter, like how long is it referring to 366 00:17:17,464 --> 00:17:19,504 Speaker 2: her song and she said, oh, it's about ten inches. 367 00:17:19,584 --> 00:17:22,104 Speaker 2: Oh wait, you mean the song And that's where it 368 00:17:22,184 --> 00:17:24,104 Speaker 2: kind of so I can understand him kind of saying like, 369 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:26,624 Speaker 2: it's the person I'm in a relationship with making the joke. 370 00:17:26,904 --> 00:17:29,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think as well, like I understand, I 371 00:17:29,824 --> 00:17:32,824 Speaker 1: think he's a sensitive guy from this it's almost it's 372 00:17:32,824 --> 00:17:35,944 Speaker 1: probably about an hour long. I think he's a sensitive dude. 373 00:17:35,984 --> 00:17:38,104 Speaker 1: And I think he just was like, I just want 374 00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:41,064 Speaker 1: to surround myself with people that I trust and that 375 00:17:41,504 --> 00:17:44,904 Speaker 1: aren't going to try and exploit me in some way 376 00:17:44,984 --> 00:17:46,664 Speaker 1: or another. And it took me a really long time 377 00:17:46,704 --> 00:17:50,944 Speaker 1: to learn that. So I do understand maybe you just 378 00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:54,504 Speaker 1: felt a bit hurt by it, and even though it's positive, 379 00:17:54,704 --> 00:17:59,304 Speaker 1: like it is a private thing that you're going through. 380 00:17:59,584 --> 00:18:04,224 Speaker 1: But I do take issue with it being compared to 381 00:18:04,784 --> 00:18:10,064 Speaker 1: the way women are sexualized, just because historically, like he's 382 00:18:10,144 --> 00:18:13,664 Speaker 1: not being punished for it, whereas women often are without 383 00:18:13,704 --> 00:18:16,024 Speaker 1: being like overtly feminist. Yeah, I'm not going to go 384 00:18:16,104 --> 00:18:19,104 Speaker 1: like too crazy year, but I just think it is 385 00:18:19,184 --> 00:18:21,584 Speaker 1: really important to acknowledge that there is a bit of 386 00:18:21,584 --> 00:18:22,384 Speaker 1: a different Oh. 387 00:18:22,304 --> 00:18:24,064 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, I think that too, because I think 388 00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:27,064 Speaker 2: the consequences for a woman being overly sexualized in the 389 00:18:27,064 --> 00:18:30,224 Speaker 2: public eye would be like with Pete Davidson, It's like, yes, 390 00:18:30,304 --> 00:18:32,104 Speaker 2: everyone was saying it and they were laughing, but there 391 00:18:32,144 --> 00:18:34,984 Speaker 2: was also a sense of like, good on you, like 392 00:18:35,104 --> 00:18:37,384 Speaker 2: this is incredible, like and also people being like, let's 393 00:18:37,384 --> 00:18:39,824 Speaker 2: put him in more movies and TV shows. And I 394 00:18:39,904 --> 00:18:41,784 Speaker 2: actually think the more I listened to him, I actually 395 00:18:41,784 --> 00:18:43,744 Speaker 2: don't think he was that upset about it. I know 396 00:18:43,824 --> 00:18:45,584 Speaker 2: he's saying that now, but I think he's more upset 397 00:18:45,584 --> 00:18:50,304 Speaker 2: about his career being diminished than being overly sexualized. Because 398 00:18:50,344 --> 00:18:51,944 Speaker 2: he talks at the fact that he became a joke 399 00:18:51,984 --> 00:18:54,744 Speaker 2: at SNL and no one wanted to put him in sketches. 400 00:18:54,744 --> 00:18:56,344 Speaker 2: They just wanted to make jokes about him, like he 401 00:18:56,384 --> 00:18:59,544 Speaker 2: became a celebrity, not a cast member. And he then 402 00:18:59,584 --> 00:19:01,664 Speaker 2: talks about his TV show Buck because, which is based 403 00:19:01,664 --> 00:19:04,664 Speaker 2: on his life, the network pushing him to do all 404 00:19:04,664 --> 00:19:07,504 Speaker 2: these crazy stories because like that's what Pete Davidson would do. 405 00:19:07,544 --> 00:19:09,104 Speaker 2: And I actually think it was more of a career 406 00:19:09,144 --> 00:19:12,624 Speaker 2: thing that he wasn't getting seen the way he wanted, 407 00:19:13,024 --> 00:19:15,944 Speaker 2: not that he felt that he was being like over 408 00:19:15,984 --> 00:19:17,784 Speaker 2: sexual because the thing is like it's something that that 409 00:19:17,784 --> 00:19:19,424 Speaker 2: happened to a woman and she was being seen as 410 00:19:19,464 --> 00:19:22,984 Speaker 2: like over sexualized. There would be like threats of violence 411 00:19:23,024 --> 00:19:25,784 Speaker 2: and death online. She would have to take her safety 412 00:19:25,824 --> 00:19:29,024 Speaker 2: really seriously. She would potentially lose work, or she would 413 00:19:29,024 --> 00:19:32,344 Speaker 2: only have work in one certain area. And it's just 414 00:19:32,344 --> 00:19:33,944 Speaker 2: not the same thing, and it comes up a lot. 415 00:19:34,064 --> 00:19:37,184 Speaker 2: It came up this year with the Robert Irwin photos. 416 00:19:37,704 --> 00:19:40,064 Speaker 2: We and lots of other people on different podcasts. He 417 00:19:40,144 --> 00:19:42,584 Speaker 2: like put out his sexy photo shoot. We were all like, 418 00:19:42,624 --> 00:19:44,864 Speaker 2: that's a hot man. And then I think we put 419 00:19:44,864 --> 00:19:47,184 Speaker 2: out a video about it because Emily Verner malco host 420 00:19:47,224 --> 00:19:48,704 Speaker 2: and this pod was like I just realized that I'm 421 00:19:48,704 --> 00:19:51,384 Speaker 2: in love with Robert Irwin. They're still not dating, but 422 00:19:51,424 --> 00:19:53,624 Speaker 2: it might happen. And then we got so many comments 423 00:19:53,664 --> 00:19:56,024 Speaker 2: from people being like if this was two men talking 424 00:19:56,104 --> 00:19:58,064 Speaker 2: about a woman, like this would be so different. You 425 00:19:58,104 --> 00:19:59,824 Speaker 2: guys would never be allowed to say it. And it 426 00:19:59,864 --> 00:20:01,544 Speaker 2: was mostly men in the comments. Don't know how they 427 00:20:01,584 --> 00:20:03,664 Speaker 2: found out pod angry men, because I'm like, this is 428 00:20:03,744 --> 00:20:06,104 Speaker 2: the pod for you, so everyone else just not angry men, 429 00:20:06,504 --> 00:20:08,384 Speaker 2: And they were so angry that we were allowed to 430 00:20:08,384 --> 00:20:10,544 Speaker 2: say that no one was calling us out. But the 431 00:20:10,584 --> 00:20:12,744 Speaker 2: difference is that we're saying it in like a way 432 00:20:12,784 --> 00:20:15,784 Speaker 2: of like he's really hot, and there's no malice, there's 433 00:20:15,784 --> 00:20:19,424 Speaker 2: no intention to like do anything terrible. We weren't saying 434 00:20:19,424 --> 00:20:21,784 Speaker 2: anything terrible about him. We weren't treating him as not 435 00:20:21,864 --> 00:20:24,384 Speaker 2: a human. And so that's the double standard, like you're 436 00:20:24,424 --> 00:20:26,544 Speaker 2: talking about, as well as like it's not said with 437 00:20:26,664 --> 00:20:29,424 Speaker 2: malice and danger that we're going to go and physically 438 00:20:29,464 --> 00:20:31,704 Speaker 2: attack this man, which is kind of what does happen 439 00:20:31,704 --> 00:20:32,704 Speaker 2: to women in that situation. 440 00:20:33,024 --> 00:20:34,984 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, I feel like we could talk about 441 00:20:35,024 --> 00:20:36,664 Speaker 1: this for a real long time, but we're going to 442 00:20:36,744 --> 00:20:39,984 Speaker 1: keep it light here. I mean, I think it's really interesting. 443 00:20:40,024 --> 00:20:42,744 Speaker 1: When he talked about like finishing up Bubcurse, he was like, 444 00:20:43,104 --> 00:20:46,024 Speaker 1: I think what happened with that show is that it 445 00:20:46,104 --> 00:20:49,064 Speaker 1: became this heightened persona, which we've talked about a couple 446 00:20:49,144 --> 00:20:52,424 Speaker 1: of times where we love when celebrities play heightened personas. 447 00:20:52,424 --> 00:20:55,944 Speaker 1: But it was all he had, and so he was like, 448 00:20:55,984 --> 00:20:59,664 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave that behind and focus on myself. 449 00:20:59,704 --> 00:21:02,264 Speaker 1: And then he talks a lot about his sobriety. 450 00:21:03,064 --> 00:21:05,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, that him playing yourself is an interesting thing. Because 451 00:21:05,544 --> 00:21:08,544 Speaker 2: like that's why Lrne Michael's the creator of Saturday Night Live. 452 00:21:08,744 --> 00:21:11,624 Speaker 2: He just loved Pete as like the idea of him, 453 00:21:11,664 --> 00:21:13,504 Speaker 2: apart from the fact that he's very funny, which I 454 00:21:13,504 --> 00:21:15,504 Speaker 2: should say is always what I found him so hot 455 00:21:15,504 --> 00:21:18,744 Speaker 2: because I'm like, he's a tall, funny man, and I 456 00:21:18,744 --> 00:21:21,904 Speaker 2: find him very attractive. It's more so listen to this pot. 457 00:21:22,184 --> 00:21:24,584 Speaker 1: I think this is also the thing that men are 458 00:21:24,624 --> 00:21:27,944 Speaker 1: really confused about often when they're like, why the hell 459 00:21:28,024 --> 00:21:31,704 Speaker 1: is he with her? Because he makes her laugh? And 460 00:21:31,744 --> 00:21:37,344 Speaker 1: like I think again, women in general are much happier 461 00:21:37,864 --> 00:21:40,664 Speaker 1: with a man who's going to make them laugh than 462 00:21:40,704 --> 00:21:43,144 Speaker 1: a man with a six pack and like is obsessed 463 00:21:43,144 --> 00:21:46,304 Speaker 1: with going to the gym. Like it is factually true. 464 00:21:46,384 --> 00:21:49,144 Speaker 1: Look at the women Pete Davidson has exact look at 465 00:21:49,144 --> 00:21:52,544 Speaker 1: the women that a lot of comedians have. It's charm, 466 00:21:52,784 --> 00:21:56,784 Speaker 1: it's comedy. That is why women are attracted to that. 467 00:21:56,864 --> 00:22:00,224 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily about being the best looking guy on 468 00:22:00,264 --> 00:22:00,584 Speaker 1: the block. 469 00:22:00,664 --> 00:22:01,944 Speaker 2: And I don't think it was ever about like all 470 00:22:01,984 --> 00:22:04,504 Speaker 2: these women are like kind of downgrading who they are 471 00:22:04,544 --> 00:22:07,064 Speaker 2: to date this man. It's like he was seen as 472 00:22:07,104 --> 00:22:08,664 Speaker 2: like he still is, but like at the time there's 473 00:22:08,664 --> 00:22:10,944 Speaker 2: also I think something about the test man in the 474 00:22:11,024 --> 00:22:14,104 Speaker 2: room who's also commanding the room, like choosing you and 475 00:22:14,144 --> 00:22:16,024 Speaker 2: like being the one that he's like giving all his 476 00:22:16,064 --> 00:22:18,864 Speaker 2: attention to would be a very intoxicating thing. But yeah, 477 00:22:18,864 --> 00:22:20,864 Speaker 2: he played himself in bubcuse, he played himself in the 478 00:22:20,944 --> 00:22:23,104 Speaker 2: King of Staten Island, and I can kind of see 479 00:22:23,104 --> 00:22:26,384 Speaker 2: how like his real life and his on screen life 480 00:22:26,384 --> 00:22:28,784 Speaker 2: started to mesh such a way that what did he 481 00:22:28,824 --> 00:22:30,304 Speaker 2: say in the pod? Like they wanted to like him 482 00:22:30,304 --> 00:22:32,504 Speaker 2: having sex with Martha Stewart doing all these drugs, and 483 00:22:33,304 --> 00:22:34,944 Speaker 2: he ended the show. And what I thought was so 484 00:22:35,064 --> 00:22:37,304 Speaker 2: lovely and a bit of information I don't think came 485 00:22:37,304 --> 00:22:39,624 Speaker 2: out at the time is like when he ended the show, 486 00:22:39,784 --> 00:22:43,024 Speaker 2: he continued to pay everyone and make sure they got 487 00:22:43,064 --> 00:22:46,144 Speaker 2: money because he knew that he had like effectively destroyed 488 00:22:46,144 --> 00:22:48,584 Speaker 2: people's livelihoods and didn't want to be responsible for that. 489 00:22:48,864 --> 00:22:50,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was really great. He's like that 490 00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:52,984 Speaker 1: really hurt. But the other bit that I found quite 491 00:22:52,984 --> 00:22:56,504 Speaker 1: fascinating is how he talks about his relationship with NBAC, 492 00:22:56,824 --> 00:22:58,904 Speaker 1: who you know, he'd been with them for ten years, 493 00:22:58,944 --> 00:23:01,704 Speaker 1: he'd been on SNL and you know, had this really 494 00:23:01,744 --> 00:23:04,064 Speaker 1: strong relationship. He's like, I learned a really hard lesson 495 00:23:04,104 --> 00:23:06,264 Speaker 1: because I realized that at the end of the day, 496 00:23:06,264 --> 00:23:08,984 Speaker 1: it's a business. But I was like sixteen when I started, 497 00:23:09,744 --> 00:23:13,624 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they didn't care for me. 498 00:23:13,704 --> 00:23:15,584 Speaker 1: It just felt like there was a lot of emotional 499 00:23:15,664 --> 00:23:21,704 Speaker 1: maturity and growth after that period of his life. And 500 00:23:21,744 --> 00:23:23,864 Speaker 1: then we move on to the most recent news that 501 00:23:23,904 --> 00:23:26,904 Speaker 1: he has is that he's expecting a baby. Yeah, it's 502 00:23:26,944 --> 00:23:28,864 Speaker 1: interesting here He's not having the baby. 503 00:23:28,984 --> 00:23:31,424 Speaker 2: Yes, he and his partner Elsie Hewitt are having a baby, 504 00:23:31,504 --> 00:23:33,904 Speaker 2: which is very cute. It's kind of interesting because over 505 00:23:33,944 --> 00:23:36,704 Speaker 2: the last few months, really I've been percolating this idea 506 00:23:36,704 --> 00:23:39,384 Speaker 2: that we hadn't done the pod yet, around the makeover 507 00:23:39,504 --> 00:23:42,744 Speaker 2: of Pete Davidson, or the evolution of Pete Davidson from 508 00:23:42,744 --> 00:23:46,544 Speaker 2: this kind of like drug using party boy Lethario kind 509 00:23:46,584 --> 00:23:49,704 Speaker 2: of thing that he was to now being like, I'm 510 00:23:49,704 --> 00:23:51,584 Speaker 2: a working actor and I'm trying to be a dramatic 511 00:23:51,624 --> 00:23:54,264 Speaker 2: actor and I'm clean. I've had all my tattoos like 512 00:23:54,344 --> 00:23:56,384 Speaker 2: being removed except Hillary Clifton. 513 00:23:56,504 --> 00:23:56,944 Speaker 1: Yeah. 514 00:23:57,024 --> 00:23:58,544 Speaker 2: He tells a story in the pod where he said 515 00:23:58,544 --> 00:24:00,384 Speaker 2: he was getting all these tattoos removed and he has 516 00:24:00,384 --> 00:24:02,264 Speaker 2: one of Hillary Clinton and she messaged him and it's 517 00:24:02,304 --> 00:24:04,824 Speaker 2: just like, not my tattoo, right, and he was like, no, Hillary, 518 00:24:04,864 --> 00:24:06,424 Speaker 2: you stay. Yeah, I love that. 519 00:24:06,504 --> 00:24:08,304 Speaker 1: But I mean we've heard this before. You know, he 520 00:24:08,344 --> 00:24:11,024 Speaker 1: got all of these tattoos removed. He did a campaign 521 00:24:11,144 --> 00:24:14,944 Speaker 1: with Reformation where he kind of embraced that bde energy, 522 00:24:15,464 --> 00:24:17,504 Speaker 1: which I think is great. That's him kind of but 523 00:24:17,544 --> 00:24:20,344 Speaker 1: that's on his terms, which I think is what makes it. Yeah, 524 00:24:20,704 --> 00:24:23,384 Speaker 1: Elsie is he talks about her being quite a private person, 525 00:24:23,384 --> 00:24:25,464 Speaker 1: but she is a model. She's you know, born in 526 00:24:25,544 --> 00:24:29,264 Speaker 1: ninety six in London, has been working on modeling and 527 00:24:29,464 --> 00:24:32,224 Speaker 1: also has like a food blog. 528 00:24:32,624 --> 00:24:33,304 Speaker 2: She's a busy gal. 529 00:24:33,504 --> 00:24:35,864 Speaker 1: She's a busy gal, but in terms of like fame, 530 00:24:36,024 --> 00:24:37,744 Speaker 1: is not at the level of Pete Davidson. And he 531 00:24:37,744 --> 00:24:40,704 Speaker 1: talks a lot about him being like feeling sorry for her. 532 00:24:41,704 --> 00:24:43,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was the really interesting thing. I Mean, 533 00:24:43,784 --> 00:24:45,704 Speaker 2: he got so vulnerable in this podcast where he's talking 534 00:24:45,704 --> 00:24:48,464 Speaker 2: about the fact they found out that she was pregnant 535 00:24:48,504 --> 00:24:50,984 Speaker 2: and he was so excited because he lost his dad 536 00:24:51,024 --> 00:24:53,904 Speaker 2: in the nine eleven attacks. He was a firefighter, and 537 00:24:54,304 --> 00:24:56,584 Speaker 2: he always talks about the fact that since he was 538 00:24:56,584 --> 00:24:57,864 Speaker 2: a little boy, he's like, I just want to be 539 00:24:57,904 --> 00:25:00,024 Speaker 2: a dad. I want to be a dad, because even 540 00:25:00,024 --> 00:25:02,104 Speaker 2: though he's super close to his mum and his family 541 00:25:02,504 --> 00:25:04,024 Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff, but he always talks 542 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:06,224 Speaker 2: about wanting to be a dad because he missed out 543 00:25:06,224 --> 00:25:08,824 Speaker 2: on having one. And so the two of them being 544 00:25:08,904 --> 00:25:11,184 Speaker 2: just so excited about this baby and going to the 545 00:25:11,224 --> 00:25:14,944 Speaker 2: doctor and getting papped and the stress that that caused. 546 00:25:15,024 --> 00:25:17,304 Speaker 2: And then he said he had to ask the publication 547 00:25:17,424 --> 00:25:19,344 Speaker 2: to please don't print the photos yet, because you know, 548 00:25:19,464 --> 00:25:21,304 Speaker 2: to wait till a safe time to sort of say 549 00:25:21,344 --> 00:25:23,544 Speaker 2: and all this stuff, and so funny cause they'd the 550 00:25:23,584 --> 00:25:26,264 Speaker 2: podcast host so like, I guess that's okay that they 551 00:25:26,304 --> 00:25:28,864 Speaker 2: waited to put out the photos and stuff, but it's 552 00:25:28,864 --> 00:25:31,744 Speaker 2: still pretty dehumanizing. And then he talked about the fact 553 00:25:31,744 --> 00:25:34,304 Speaker 2: that they put out like a joint pregnancy post, and 554 00:25:34,304 --> 00:25:35,704 Speaker 2: at the time when I saw that, I thought, oh, 555 00:25:35,744 --> 00:25:38,424 Speaker 2: that's so classic Pete Davidson, Like he's had this like 556 00:25:38,544 --> 00:25:41,864 Speaker 2: funny laugh with this pregnancy post, not knowing the story 557 00:25:41,904 --> 00:25:44,544 Speaker 2: behind it was that their hand was forced because the 558 00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:46,704 Speaker 2: publication was going to run the photos and so they 559 00:25:46,704 --> 00:25:48,864 Speaker 2: had to get it out. And it's so interesting because 560 00:25:48,864 --> 00:25:50,904 Speaker 2: one of the hosts on the podcast used to work 561 00:25:50,904 --> 00:25:53,064 Speaker 2: for TMZ and used to be in the thick of 562 00:25:53,104 --> 00:25:55,864 Speaker 2: like outing people's pregnancies and stuff, and then she has 563 00:25:55,904 --> 00:25:58,584 Speaker 2: this realization on the pod. She's like, Oh, I never 564 00:25:58,624 --> 00:26:01,704 Speaker 2: really thought about like human beings being behind these stories, 565 00:26:01,744 --> 00:26:04,584 Speaker 2: which I mean sounds ridiculous but also a bit of 566 00:26:04,624 --> 00:26:06,264 Speaker 2: a wake up call for me and everyone else. 567 00:26:06,464 --> 00:26:09,584 Speaker 1: Actually, when I was pregnant this many years ago, I 568 00:26:09,624 --> 00:26:12,744 Speaker 1: was at one of my obstration appointments getting an ultrasound, 569 00:26:12,984 --> 00:26:16,464 Speaker 1: and there was a very famous woman there who hadn't 570 00:26:16,464 --> 00:26:20,984 Speaker 1: announced her pregnancy, and she and this very famous actor 571 00:26:21,544 --> 00:26:25,744 Speaker 1: were there together, and I remember specifically sort of looking 572 00:26:25,784 --> 00:26:28,544 Speaker 1: at her i'd met her before, looking at her, putting 573 00:26:28,584 --> 00:26:30,944 Speaker 1: my eyes down and going, you know what, this is 574 00:26:31,104 --> 00:26:35,424 Speaker 1: not my place. And I very consciously said, I am 575 00:26:35,464 --> 00:26:37,344 Speaker 1: not saying a word to anybody about this. 576 00:26:37,544 --> 00:26:40,104 Speaker 2: Yes, because that's how And again I kind of imagine 577 00:26:40,144 --> 00:26:41,744 Speaker 2: what a vulnerable time that would be, and it has 578 00:26:41,784 --> 00:26:43,384 Speaker 2: become a thing with celebrities to hear about it. And 579 00:26:43,424 --> 00:26:44,304 Speaker 2: she was really early. 580 00:26:44,424 --> 00:26:46,464 Speaker 1: She was not showing I was showing at that point. 581 00:26:46,584 --> 00:26:49,984 Speaker 1: She was not, and she basically I could tell it 582 00:26:50,024 --> 00:26:52,384 Speaker 1: was very very early on in your appointment. 583 00:26:52,064 --> 00:26:54,464 Speaker 2: And I yeah, again a vulnerable thing. And I think 584 00:26:54,504 --> 00:26:56,904 Speaker 2: also like maybe in Australia it's not you don't have 585 00:26:57,104 --> 00:26:59,584 Speaker 2: the means to sort of bring the doctors to you 586 00:26:59,704 --> 00:27:01,584 Speaker 2: or like close down the hospitals and stuff. I guess 587 00:27:01,624 --> 00:27:03,224 Speaker 2: I do it for some people. But you do hear 588 00:27:03,224 --> 00:27:07,144 Speaker 2: in Hollywood of celebrities being stuck into doctor's appointments, like 589 00:27:07,424 --> 00:27:09,624 Speaker 2: lying in the back of vans or like things being 590 00:27:09,664 --> 00:27:12,824 Speaker 2: closed down. And that's the idea that like everyone in Hollywood, 591 00:27:12,864 --> 00:27:15,024 Speaker 2: like all the famous women, all go to the same doctor, 592 00:27:15,464 --> 00:27:18,224 Speaker 2: and they all sometimes often reference her, even like Rihanna 593 00:27:18,344 --> 00:27:20,104 Speaker 2: was asked, what's your favorite thing about La and she's 594 00:27:20,104 --> 00:27:22,184 Speaker 2: like my obig way in And they all use the 595 00:27:22,184 --> 00:27:24,984 Speaker 2: same woman because she's so discreet, because she'll come to you, 596 00:27:25,064 --> 00:27:28,304 Speaker 2: because she'll close the clinic down. It's so interesting to 597 00:27:28,304 --> 00:27:30,264 Speaker 2: think of all these famous women with all this money 598 00:27:30,304 --> 00:27:31,944 Speaker 2: and power having to lie down on the back of 599 00:27:32,064 --> 00:27:35,584 Speaker 2: vans to be driven into doctor's appointments because those photos 600 00:27:35,664 --> 00:27:38,424 Speaker 2: sell so well. Or even just walking through the rating 601 00:27:38,504 --> 00:27:41,144 Speaker 2: room or like a courier picking something up, or a 602 00:27:41,184 --> 00:27:43,624 Speaker 2: delivery or a cleaner or anyone can see you and 603 00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:45,264 Speaker 2: just put the information out there. 604 00:27:45,544 --> 00:27:48,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely loved this interview. I would highly recommend 605 00:27:48,704 --> 00:27:50,584 Speaker 1: you guys go and have a listen to it. It's 606 00:27:50,624 --> 00:27:53,064 Speaker 1: called The Breakfast Club Pete Davidson. It's about an hour long, 607 00:27:53,144 --> 00:27:56,744 Speaker 1: but definitely worth it. Lots of great takeaways. 608 00:27:57,104 --> 00:27:59,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do miss him and Kim Kardashian together, but 609 00:27:59,224 --> 00:27:59,824 Speaker 2: I'm very happy. 610 00:28:00,464 --> 00:28:03,104 Speaker 1: I'm happy with that guy, but I'm glad. 611 00:28:02,864 --> 00:28:04,504 Speaker 2: He's found his true love and then there's a baby 612 00:28:04,504 --> 00:28:05,024 Speaker 2: on the way. 613 00:28:05,184 --> 00:28:08,264 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to the Spills Day, guys, 614 00:28:08,264 --> 00:28:11,344 Speaker 1: and don't forget to follow us on TikTok and Instagram. 615 00:28:11,384 --> 00:28:14,464 Speaker 1: We post lots of fun stuff there. 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