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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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Speaker 2: Brudnick and I'm Vernon and coming up on the show today,

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Speaker 2: the new Carneer Waste documentary has been released in parts

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Speaker 2: of the world. We're going to get into every disturbing

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Speaker 2: fact we know about that because a lot of new

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Speaker 2: information has come out. Plus, Emma Watson has given her

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Speaker 2: first long form interview in years, and it is full

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Speaker 2: of revelations about why she hasn't acted in five years,

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Speaker 2: her relationship with Hollywood. She cried in the interview, maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll cry talking about it. Who's to say, Who's who's

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Speaker 2: to say? But first, I've been crying this week for

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Speaker 2: a very beautiful reason. And it's the Dawson's Creek reunion.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, really, yes, Oh, like it's crazy that they

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Speaker 3: did a reunion.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not a reunion the fact that they all

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Speaker 2: came back and played their characters, because they've all gone

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Speaker 2: the record and said they would pretty much never do that.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the right core. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: leave it in the past. But what it was is

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Speaker 2: that James Vanderbeek, who played Dawson Leary on the show,

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Speaker 2: which was a huge, huge, I can't even talk about

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Speaker 2: what a huge thing this show was when it was

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Speaker 2: out came to an end in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 2: so over twenty years ago. Now people still talk about

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Speaker 2: it all the time. It's one of those kind of

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Speaker 2: like earth shattering teen shows that people like could touch

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Speaker 2: their lives to, you know, the one. Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 2: come out in the last two years that James Vanderbek

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Speaker 2: who played Dawson, was diagnosed with cancer and this event

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Speaker 2: was both a fundraiser of a hymn and also for

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Speaker 2: a cancer foundation, and was organized by Michelle Williams, one

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Speaker 2: of his co stars.

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Speaker 3: And so what it was really close, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they weren't for a long time, not close.

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Speaker 2: They were close in the way of like they kind

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Speaker 2: big teen show, and then they all went off and

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Speaker 2: had their own careers and life. Yeah, exactly. So the

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Speaker 2: only two that have remained super close since then Michelle

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Speaker 2: they've been best friends and they call themselves soulmates, which

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Speaker 2: I love. They're like sometimes they've both had like husbands

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Speaker 2: other's salmtes, like that's just a fact, which I've always loved.

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Speaker 2: So they've always been close, but really it's the last

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Speaker 2: really brought them back together and got them on a

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Speaker 2: group chat. And so they got back together in New

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Speaker 2: York to do a live reading of the pilot episode,

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Speaker 2: and it was really sad because James Vanderbeek at the

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Speaker 2: last minute couldn't attend because he'd had two stomach flus

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Speaker 2: and he was really really sick. But the rest of

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Speaker 2: Joshua Jackson who played Pacey Bitter, Katie Holmes who played

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Speaker 2: Meredith Munroe who played Andy, plus like the actors who

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Speaker 2: played their parents, the actress who played Grams. Pretty much everyone,

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Speaker 2: pretty much everyone, and it was so good and also

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Speaker 2: because Michelliams organized it and her husband as a really

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Speaker 2: Vanderbeek couldn't attend, Lynn Manuel Miranda stepped in to play

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Speaker 2: James Vanderbeeks everywhere exactly, and Renee's Goldsberry, who is really

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Speaker 2: good friends with Busy Phillips because they did Girls five

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Speaker 2: and then James Vanderbeek's wife came out, but first his

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Speaker 2: which is really cute. So it was a whole situation.

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Speaker 3: Wait, if Busy was in their latest seasons, was she

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was playing different roles. Oh my god, her

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Speaker 2: and Joshua Jackson fully passed on stage. It was so

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Speaker 3: It was in the audience.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping they err even like I was sobbing from

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Speaker 2: much you talk about it, yeah, and how much that

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Speaker 3: I think it's saying any show that had a huge

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Speaker 3: and you're watching them interests, like similar to the Friends reunion,

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Speaker 2: Other exactly, you see all these memories come back. And

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Speaker 2: also like the Summer I Turn Pretty, like that was

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Speaker 3: Except I don't think they really like each other.

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Speaker 2: No, it was like Summer I Returned Pretty, but like

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Speaker 2: times ten because it was a love triangle. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's about other things this so it's six seasons. That's

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Speaker 2: hour long episodes. So imagine that, and imagine, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: so the triangle was between Dawson. So Dawson's Creek is

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Speaker 2: about Yeah. So it's like this tiny little town called

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Speaker 2: to be like all through the series is Steven Spielberg,

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Speaker 2: He's obsessed with Spielberg. Dawson's Creek ends with him getting

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Speaker 2: to about a project. And for this Dawson's Creek reunion,

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Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg filmed a video. Incented in and he's like, Hey, Dawson,

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Speaker 2: I just want to just say you made it. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna cry, Oh my god. Anyways, so it's Dawson and

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Speaker 2: then his best friend his whole childhood life is Joey Potter,

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Speaker 2: this young girl from like the wrong side of the

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Speaker 2: her sister's like pregnant to this guy, and everyone's like

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Speaker 2: often like rows her boat down the creek late at night,

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Speaker 3: Life's hard, so she rows her boat, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to like escape her. Like they used to creeks

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Speaker 2: to Dawson's house and there's a ladder. There's a ladder

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Speaker 2: outside Dawson's bedroom and she climbs up and they used

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Speaker 3: Did they drown?

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Speaker 2: No, No, they're fine. Creek's okay. The creek becomes less

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Speaker 2: like this whole thing that everyone's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: it's called Dawson's Creek because at the end, Dawson's going

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Speaker 2: the Creek. That didn't happen, but it would have been

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Speaker 2: great though. That would have been great if that had

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Speaker 2: come true. Circle moment, and so Joey would always sleep

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Speaker 2: always sleep over? That's what we do. And she's like,

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Speaker 2: but we have genitalia now, and he's like, we've always

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Speaker 2: had genitalia. At the time, everyone was like, kids can't

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Speaker 2: They said genitalia on TV. It was such a big deal.

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Speaker 2: I can't even tell you. I remember like parents at

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Speaker 2: And I was like, but the Creek, Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: That was like my generation with the Simpsons like half

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it became like a real thing. And then like

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Speaker 2: Pacy's Dawson's best friend, but he and Joey always hated

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Speaker 2: each other, never got along. And then Dawson and Joey

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Speaker 2: her and he goes to Pacey AND's like, I can't

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Speaker 2: her to be alone, so can you please, like spend

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Speaker 2: hate her anyway, they fall in love and it is Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's enemies to lovers, it's a love triangle.

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Speaker 3: Enemy to lovers, friends to lovers.

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Speaker 2: It's everything, and like some ten pretty like watching that finale,

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Speaker 2: everyone's being like, who she's gonna choose? But as we

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Speaker 2: always said, like people always knew who she was going

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Speaker 2: to choose in Dawson's Creek. After six seasons, then it

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Speaker 2: comes to the finale when they're all grown up as adults,

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Speaker 2: it was still really like who is she gonna choose?

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Speaker 2: And also there's like the moment Dawson.

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Speaker 3: Someone at the end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's Roman, but also against the summer ten

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Speaker 2: pretty when everyone was like yelling at Belly for like

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Speaker 2: running and jumping on a train with nothing. My generation

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Speaker 2: is like, please, we watched Joey Potter run down a

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Speaker 2: dock and jump onto Pace's boat and say, like, I

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Speaker 2: choose you. This is the earliest seasons when they get

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Speaker 2: together for the first time and then sail away for

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Speaker 2: three months with nothing. Yeah, well, off into the ocean.

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Speaker 3: Just going around.

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Speaker 2: It's so good.

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Speaker 3: It's actually and who's there, Like, is there a Stephen

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Speaker 2: I mean there's obviously Michelle Williams plays genuinely the bad

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Speaker 2: York to Cape Side. No, everything, that's the that's the

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Speaker 2: just yeah, it's so good anyway. So that's my review

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Speaker 2: of Dawson's Creak twenty years later. But yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: really beautiful to watch the reunion. I watch everyone on stage. Well,

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Speaker 2: here's the thing, I think you would really love it.

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Speaker 2: But I think you would really struggle with the first

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Speaker 2: season because it feels very old school. It just moves

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Speaker 2: differently to TV shows now. But maybe once you get

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Speaker 2: into the Pacey Dawson Joey, like the deep love triangle,

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Speaker 2: known and he I'm sure that Nico has seen the

426
00:19:49,024 --> 00:19:50,784
Speaker 2: worst of him in a way that even some of

427
00:19:50,824 --> 00:19:53,944
Speaker 2: the Kardashians or other famous friends haven't seen. But it

428
00:19:54,024 --> 00:19:56,664
Speaker 2: has been his whole life. He probably, even if he

429
00:19:56,704 --> 00:19:59,704
Speaker 2: wanted to, can't talk badly of him because he's been

430
00:19:59,784 --> 00:20:00,784
Speaker 2: programmed not to do that.

431
00:20:01,144 --> 00:20:03,784
Speaker 3: I think the one thing that these clips that I've

432
00:20:03,784 --> 00:20:06,104
Speaker 3: been seeing and the comments on the clips, is that

433
00:20:06,224 --> 00:20:10,064
Speaker 3: everyone feels so so so for Kim Kardashian. Like we

434
00:20:10,144 --> 00:20:12,464
Speaker 3: knew to an extent of what she was going through,

435
00:20:12,464 --> 00:20:15,704
Speaker 3: but actually seeing it and like seeing how she's crying

436
00:20:15,744 --> 00:20:18,384
Speaker 3: in every clip and he's just screaming at her and

437
00:20:18,464 --> 00:20:22,464
Speaker 3: yelling at her just seems so degrading for someone to

438
00:20:22,504 --> 00:20:24,944
Speaker 3: go through, and she has kids and stuff like that.

439
00:20:25,264 --> 00:20:30,144
Speaker 3: It just seems like such an interesting career move. But

440
00:20:30,184 --> 00:20:32,104
Speaker 3: it's also one of the first career moves in a

441
00:20:32,144 --> 00:20:33,904
Speaker 3: really long time. That's actually working for.

442
00:20:33,904 --> 00:20:36,184
Speaker 2: Him exactly because I think a lot of people are

443
00:20:36,224 --> 00:20:38,544
Speaker 2: like really loving at least his honesty and the fact

444
00:20:38,584 --> 00:20:41,304
Speaker 2: that they feel like it's a really unfiltered look. But yeah,

445
00:20:41,664 --> 00:20:44,784
Speaker 2: him screaming at Kim Kardashian, I find so because she's

446
00:20:44,864 --> 00:20:47,624
Speaker 2: like cowering and she looks so broken. And the other

447
00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:49,464
Speaker 2: thing is like there's a whole room full of people

448
00:20:49,464 --> 00:20:51,224
Speaker 2: and they're all just standing there with their heads down

449
00:20:51,264 --> 00:20:53,624
Speaker 2: a lot of the time because they don't want They're like, oh,

450
00:20:53,664 --> 00:20:55,344
Speaker 2: this is They're either thinking this is a private moment.

451
00:20:55,424 --> 00:20:58,304
Speaker 2: I don't want to be involved, or like, no one

452
00:20:58,384 --> 00:21:00,704
Speaker 2: speaks back to Kane, like that's the rule in his house.

453
00:21:01,264 --> 00:21:04,304
Speaker 2: But he's screaming at her so aggressively, and she just

454
00:21:04,344 --> 00:21:07,224
Speaker 2: looks like a broken person. And you do think, like,

455
00:21:07,464 --> 00:21:09,744
Speaker 2: if there's three thousand hours of footage and we're seeing

456
00:21:09,784 --> 00:21:13,184
Speaker 2: like the tiniest little collection of that, what isn't in there?

457
00:21:13,304 --> 00:21:15,024
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's anything that Kanye would have

458
00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:15,504
Speaker 2: taken out?

459
00:21:15,824 --> 00:21:19,184
Speaker 3: No, And Nico says in his interviews that like he

460
00:21:19,224 --> 00:21:23,744
Speaker 3: saw two edits and in the final version, and even

461
00:21:23,784 --> 00:21:26,224
Speaker 3: while he was filming there was nothing about Kanye going

462
00:21:26,384 --> 00:21:28,344
Speaker 3: don't film this, you shouldn't film this, like why are

463
00:21:28,344 --> 00:21:30,744
Speaker 3: you filming this? Like Nico said, there was nothing like that,

464
00:21:30,784 --> 00:21:32,984
Speaker 3: Like I just held the camera the whole time and

465
00:21:33,064 --> 00:21:35,544
Speaker 3: he made like maybe like some edit, but there was

466
00:21:35,584 --> 00:21:37,544
Speaker 3: nothing that he was like, no, you have to take

467
00:21:37,584 --> 00:21:37,944
Speaker 3: this out.

468
00:21:38,064 --> 00:21:38,944
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

469
00:21:38,984 --> 00:21:42,784
Speaker 3: So because of that, I feel like, personally, if the

470
00:21:42,864 --> 00:21:45,584
Speaker 3: documentary does come out in Australia, I don't think I'd

471
00:21:45,584 --> 00:21:48,184
Speaker 3: be able to watch it. It's mean, the clips itself,

472
00:21:48,224 --> 00:21:50,864
Speaker 3: even the trailer, like a trailer of him screaming at

473
00:21:50,944 --> 00:21:52,464
Speaker 3: Chris Jenna, I felt sick.

474
00:21:52,824 --> 00:21:55,304
Speaker 2: Yes, I definitely found felt that as well. If it

475
00:21:55,344 --> 00:21:57,384
Speaker 2: comes out in Australia, I think I will watch it,

476
00:21:57,504 --> 00:22:00,024
Speaker 2: and not just because it's my job, but the other

477
00:22:00,064 --> 00:22:01,784
Speaker 2: thing is, and I think this is kind of what

478
00:22:02,104 --> 00:22:05,104
Speaker 2: the Kardashians and Kanye count on, is that there is

479
00:22:05,184 --> 00:22:08,264
Speaker 2: this kind of fascination with their lives and especially with

480
00:22:08,304 --> 00:22:10,864
Speaker 2: this unfiltered moment. So like, as much I don't want

481
00:22:10,864 --> 00:22:13,664
Speaker 2: to see the awful bits I've seen little trickles of

482
00:22:13,664 --> 00:22:15,744
Speaker 2: it so much over the years, I do kind of

483
00:22:15,784 --> 00:22:18,344
Speaker 2: want to see behind the scenes, Like I know that

484
00:22:18,384 --> 00:22:20,264
Speaker 2: maybe it's not the correct thing to say, But I

485
00:22:20,504 --> 00:22:23,584
Speaker 2: do almost want to see what happened, just from like

486
00:22:23,624 --> 00:22:27,384
Speaker 2: this kind of twisted interest in these people and their

487
00:22:27,424 --> 00:22:30,184
Speaker 2: lives and such a personal moment we shouldn't be allowed

488
00:22:30,184 --> 00:22:32,344
Speaker 2: to see, but we've been granted access and its.

489
00:22:33,344 --> 00:22:36,624
Speaker 3: Office and stuff like that. She did so much in

490
00:22:36,664 --> 00:22:39,064
Speaker 3: the past six years. Oh yeah, that would just seem

491
00:22:39,144 --> 00:22:42,304
Speaker 3: like it's all being uncovered now. But yeah, so that

492
00:22:42,424 --> 00:22:45,224
Speaker 3: docuseries is out in the US. It's not out in

493
00:22:45,304 --> 00:22:49,384
Speaker 3: Australia as of yet, but there's so many clips on

494
00:22:49,464 --> 00:22:52,184
Speaker 3: social media that you'll be able to see, especially you

495
00:22:52,224 --> 00:22:54,384
Speaker 3: can piece it together on TikTok. I will warn you

496
00:22:54,464 --> 00:22:56,384
Speaker 3: it is a very very hard watch.

497
00:22:58,704 --> 00:23:01,464
Speaker 2: So Emma Watson, who has been out of the spotlight

498
00:23:01,544 --> 00:23:05,904
Speaker 2: for nearly five years now since her last movie, Little Women,

499
00:23:05,984 --> 00:23:08,424
Speaker 2: Well she did like a short film since then, but

500
00:23:08,544 --> 00:23:11,824
Speaker 2: like Little Women was like a huge national release blockbuster.

501
00:23:12,304 --> 00:23:14,584
Speaker 2: She hasn't acted since then, so she hasn't been doing

502
00:23:14,864 --> 00:23:17,624
Speaker 2: real interviews or press. A few little smatterings here and

503
00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:19,184
Speaker 2: there for like endorsements.

504
00:23:19,584 --> 00:23:22,184
Speaker 3: But heard that she did a play about herself. Yeah,

505
00:23:22,224 --> 00:23:23,864
Speaker 3: she did make a play about herself that she sends

506
00:23:23,864 --> 00:23:25,624
Speaker 3: on dates, which is iconic.

507
00:23:25,824 --> 00:23:27,544
Speaker 2: She reads it. She reads out on dates, and I

508
00:23:27,584 --> 00:23:29,904
Speaker 2: was like, actually, it's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

509
00:23:30,024 --> 00:23:32,984
Speaker 2: We should do that one hundred percent. Actually, there's so

510
00:23:33,024 --> 00:23:34,864
Speaker 2: many times in here she talks about dating. I was like,

511
00:23:34,904 --> 00:23:37,704
Speaker 2: this is why is so relatable? Yeah, she is, but iconic,

512
00:23:37,944 --> 00:23:40,944
Speaker 2: she's so great. So she went on Jayceet Shetty's podcast

513
00:23:41,024 --> 00:23:44,064
Speaker 2: on Purpose, and it is the first time she's sat

514
00:23:44,144 --> 00:23:48,464
Speaker 2: down for really such a honest and long form interview.

515
00:23:48,544 --> 00:23:51,144
Speaker 2: It's two and a half hours, but it goes so

516
00:23:51,264 --> 00:23:54,104
Speaker 2: quickly because she's actually quite fascinating to listen to. She

517
00:23:54,144 --> 00:23:58,544
Speaker 2: speaks so well, Yeah, she really does. And she talks

518
00:23:58,584 --> 00:24:00,304
Speaker 2: a lot about the fact that she has made this

519
00:24:00,344 --> 00:24:04,544
Speaker 2: decision to step away from acting and from Hollywood because

520
00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:06,984
Speaker 2: she was feeling a lot like a product. And she

521
00:24:07,024 --> 00:24:09,344
Speaker 2: talks that Little Women in an interesting way because she

522
00:24:09,384 --> 00:24:12,264
Speaker 2: played Meg in Little Wit. And she talks about the

523
00:24:12,264 --> 00:24:15,664
Speaker 2: fact that there's scenes where they're standing next to Beth's

524
00:24:15,664 --> 00:24:18,264
Speaker 2: grave site spoilers for Little Women that's been out for

525
00:24:18,344 --> 00:24:23,384
Speaker 2: hundreds of years. Women, I don't know what people have

526
00:24:23,464 --> 00:24:28,104
Speaker 2: watched Beth died. Yeah, you and I always say that

527
00:24:28,144 --> 00:24:30,384
Speaker 2: in our friendship group if someone gets sick ride.

528
00:24:31,824 --> 00:24:32,424
Speaker 3: Giving Beth.

529
00:24:33,024 --> 00:24:35,624
Speaker 2: Okay, if one of my sisters also complains of being sick,

530
00:24:35,624 --> 00:24:38,864
Speaker 2: I'll be like, okay, Beth eternally the sickly sister.

531
00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:41,104
Speaker 3: Well I'm sick. I say I need to be read

532
00:24:41,104 --> 00:24:41,984
Speaker 3: to by the sea.

533
00:24:42,104 --> 00:24:47,024
Speaker 2: Oh like Jodahs for Beth references poor Bed. I know,

534
00:24:47,184 --> 00:24:49,784
Speaker 2: but all that's what reference says, poor Beth, Poor Beth.

535
00:24:49,904 --> 00:24:51,384
Speaker 3: She just wanted to help that family.

536
00:24:51,504 --> 00:24:54,464
Speaker 2: She just became short flu She just became shorthand for

537
00:24:54,584 --> 00:24:58,064
Speaker 2: I'm poorly and sick today. Anyway, So Emma Watson said,

538
00:24:58,104 --> 00:25:00,584
Speaker 2: filming those graveside scenes, she was trying to dig into

539
00:25:00,584 --> 00:25:03,224
Speaker 2: her own traumas to bring up those feelings so that

540
00:25:03,304 --> 00:25:06,264
Speaker 2: she could portray grief and sadness on camera, and that

541
00:25:06,264 --> 00:25:07,704
Speaker 2: that's when she had to sort of step back for

542
00:25:07,704 --> 00:25:09,144
Speaker 2: a moment and say like, oh, I don't know if

543
00:25:09,144 --> 00:25:10,664
Speaker 2: this is the right area for me to be into

544
00:25:10,744 --> 00:25:13,544
Speaker 2: that I'm continually having to do this to myself, because

545
00:25:13,544 --> 00:25:15,944
Speaker 2: she was having a very negative takeaway from it. She

546
00:25:16,024 --> 00:25:18,984
Speaker 2: also talks about not wanting to do interviews in press

547
00:25:19,104 --> 00:25:22,264
Speaker 2: because she felt it was very disingenuous, and she felt

548
00:25:22,264 --> 00:25:25,824
Speaker 2: like doing red carpet interviews was too intense because you

549
00:25:25,864 --> 00:25:28,224
Speaker 2: don't get to have a real conversation. She's like, she's

550
00:25:28,224 --> 00:25:29,584
Speaker 2: so worried about what she looks like.

551
00:25:29,864 --> 00:25:32,344
Speaker 3: She said she felt like she was like a salesperson,

552
00:25:32,344 --> 00:25:34,104
Speaker 3: like she has a cell, constantly sells something.

553
00:25:34,304 --> 00:25:35,984
Speaker 2: And as you know, I always have a bit of

554
00:25:36,024 --> 00:25:38,424
Speaker 2: a bone to pick when celebrities say this, because the

555
00:25:38,424 --> 00:25:40,464
Speaker 2: interview starts off with her saying to Jay Shetty like,

556
00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:42,624
Speaker 2: it's so lovely, we have so much time to talk

557
00:25:42,824 --> 00:25:44,944
Speaker 2: and really have a conversation, and this is what I

558
00:25:44,984 --> 00:25:48,264
Speaker 2: don't get from interviews. And so many celebrities say that,

559
00:25:48,424 --> 00:25:50,384
Speaker 2: and it's most triggering for me. And this is a

560
00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:52,944
Speaker 2: bit of a personal problem because I do those interviews

561
00:25:53,224 --> 00:25:54,984
Speaker 2: and I'm the person who's stinging across from them that

562
00:25:55,024 --> 00:25:56,384
Speaker 2: they're saying that they can't connect with.

563
00:25:56,624 --> 00:25:59,104
Speaker 3: That's not your fault that the interviews are five seconds lves.

564
00:25:58,984 --> 00:26:00,864
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. It's especially hard when like a

565
00:26:00,904 --> 00:26:03,944
Speaker 2: big actors come to Australia, they do these press junkets

566
00:26:04,384 --> 00:26:07,344
Speaker 2: which are so intense, and it's really hard to get

567
00:26:07,384 --> 00:26:09,144
Speaker 2: a human moment out of someone, even though like I

568
00:26:09,384 --> 00:26:11,704
Speaker 2: try so hard to do that, and then they got

569
00:26:11,744 --> 00:26:14,544
Speaker 2: off to their friends podcasts, you know, other actors and

570
00:26:14,544 --> 00:26:16,944
Speaker 2: they talk about how terrible press is because no one

571
00:26:16,944 --> 00:26:18,544
Speaker 2: wants to talk to them and they're finally getting to

572
00:26:18,544 --> 00:26:20,744
Speaker 2: sit down and talk for two hours. And I was like, well,

573
00:26:20,784 --> 00:26:23,264
Speaker 2: obviously I would talk to Emma Watson for two hours.

574
00:26:23,384 --> 00:26:24,864
Speaker 2: I would talk to any celebrity for two hours.

575
00:26:25,024 --> 00:26:26,784
Speaker 3: Like you don't want to talk to me for two hours?

576
00:26:26,864 --> 00:26:29,664
Speaker 2: Your team has said five minutes. And then also she's

577
00:26:29,664 --> 00:26:32,024
Speaker 2: honest about that in this interview, because she says like

578
00:26:32,304 --> 00:26:34,784
Speaker 2: she's stressed that she kind of real conversation because she

579
00:26:34,904 --> 00:26:37,224
Speaker 2: knows that she's been given talking points for the movie

580
00:26:37,224 --> 00:26:39,264
Speaker 2: that she has to hit these points, but she's not

581
00:26:39,304 --> 00:26:41,584
Speaker 2: allowed to hit these points, and so in her head

582
00:26:41,584 --> 00:26:43,664
Speaker 2: she's like stressed about having to do it, which I

583
00:26:43,664 --> 00:26:46,384
Speaker 2: know isn't a super relatable problem, but I do understand

584
00:26:46,424 --> 00:26:46,984
Speaker 2: what she's saying.

585
00:26:47,104 --> 00:26:49,304
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want like a Tom Holland and it

586
00:26:49,344 --> 00:26:51,504
Speaker 3: where you just give spoilers for Massive.

587
00:26:51,224 --> 00:26:55,064
Speaker 2: Mirdel exactly Well, certainly because when Tom Holland went on

588
00:26:55,504 --> 00:26:58,184
Speaker 2: Jay Shetty's podcast, again, I like Jay Sheddy and I

589
00:26:58,184 --> 00:27:00,384
Speaker 2: think he's really interesting as a podcast host, but I

590
00:27:00,384 --> 00:27:01,264
Speaker 2: do think he's.

591
00:27:01,104 --> 00:27:03,544
Speaker 3: Great at making candles as we found out I would

592
00:27:03,584 --> 00:27:03,944
Speaker 3: love Megan.

593
00:27:04,104 --> 00:27:06,784
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he loves the candle making situation, he says

594
00:27:06,784 --> 00:27:08,624
Speaker 2: on here, he loves playing poker. He's a man of

595
00:27:08,624 --> 00:27:12,624
Speaker 2: many talents. But yeah. Tom Hollan also said on Jayshaw's podcast, like, oh,

596
00:27:12,624 --> 00:27:13,864
Speaker 2: I like doing this because we get to have a

597
00:27:13,904 --> 00:27:16,464
Speaker 2: real conversation. I don't like people just asking about the movie.

598
00:27:16,544 --> 00:27:18,424
Speaker 2: And I was like, soir, your team tells the stars

599
00:27:18,544 --> 00:27:21,704
Speaker 2: about the movie anyway, personal grap to move past. But yeah,

600
00:27:21,744 --> 00:27:23,504
Speaker 2: she talked about a lot of different things about like

601
00:27:23,624 --> 00:27:26,344
Speaker 2: stepping away from Hollywood for that reason. It also the

602
00:27:26,384 --> 00:27:28,824
Speaker 2: interview starts off with her talking about her losing her license.

603
00:27:28,864 --> 00:27:29,944
Speaker 2: Do more of those headlines?

604
00:27:30,144 --> 00:27:31,904
Speaker 3: Wait, yes, I don't remember that.

605
00:27:32,064 --> 00:27:33,544
Speaker 2: I was surprised that came up, but I guess it

606
00:27:33,624 --> 00:27:36,424
Speaker 2: quite young for that. What it was this year? No,

607
00:27:36,504 --> 00:27:36,984
Speaker 2: you were young.

608
00:27:37,064 --> 00:27:38,824
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of someone else and I think I don't

609
00:27:38,824 --> 00:27:39,704
Speaker 3: think I was like a race.

610
00:27:41,504 --> 00:27:45,264
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, was arrested young for that this year. Yeah.

611
00:27:45,264 --> 00:27:46,264
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you were young.

612
00:27:46,264 --> 00:27:46,744
Speaker 3: That's true.

613
00:27:46,784 --> 00:27:48,504
Speaker 2: It was the start of this year. You were a younger.

614
00:27:48,504 --> 00:27:50,064
Speaker 3: But did you lost her license at the start of

615
00:27:50,104 --> 00:27:50,424
Speaker 3: this year?

616
00:27:50,504 --> 00:27:52,624
Speaker 2: Well, sometime this year when it came out I'm not

617
00:27:52,664 --> 00:27:55,944
Speaker 2: sure how long she'd lost it for, but for excessive speeding,

618
00:27:56,384 --> 00:27:57,784
Speaker 2: and it was just kind of imagine like.

619
00:27:57,864 --> 00:28:00,024
Speaker 3: Being out of spotlight for five years. And then we're like,

620
00:28:00,064 --> 00:28:00,864
Speaker 3: we know you speak.

621
00:28:01,584 --> 00:28:03,584
Speaker 2: Well, that's what she says in this interview, because she

622
00:28:03,704 --> 00:28:06,624
Speaker 2: was like, all of a sudden, she's like, she's talking

623
00:28:06,624 --> 00:28:08,544
Speaker 2: about the fact that she lost her license for speeding

624
00:28:08,584 --> 00:28:10,304
Speaker 2: and it went through the courts and stuff, and all

625
00:28:10,344 --> 00:28:13,024
Speaker 2: all that stuff is public information but wouldn't have never

626
00:28:13,024 --> 00:28:15,424
Speaker 2: normally get reported on except when the name on the

627
00:28:15,464 --> 00:28:17,224
Speaker 2: court cases Emma Watson.

628
00:28:17,344 --> 00:28:19,224
Speaker 3: Especially off the back on how much press we got

629
00:28:19,224 --> 00:28:20,184
Speaker 3: from justin Timberlake.

630
00:28:20,264 --> 00:28:24,304
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, celeb driving offences a huge hot topic. And

631
00:28:24,344 --> 00:28:26,024
Speaker 2: then she was like, oh my god. She's like, I

632
00:28:26,064 --> 00:28:27,904
Speaker 2: woke up that day and it was everywhere. She's like,

633
00:28:27,904 --> 00:28:31,984
Speaker 2: it was front page of the BBC News, It's on

634
00:28:32,064 --> 00:28:34,704
Speaker 2: every international headline. And then she talks about the fact

635
00:28:34,704 --> 00:28:36,784
Speaker 2: and I didn't quite agree with this, but I'm gonna

636
00:28:36,864 --> 00:28:39,264
Speaker 2: let the girl live. She's like, I have just been

637
00:28:39,304 --> 00:28:43,144
Speaker 2: on movie sets for so long and they send cars

638
00:28:43,144 --> 00:28:44,864
Speaker 2: to pick you up because you wanted to drive yourself,

639
00:28:45,064 --> 00:28:47,184
Speaker 2: and so I only used to drive myself on the weekends,

640
00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:48,624
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I stopped acting and I'm

641
00:28:48,624 --> 00:28:50,824
Speaker 2: not being on movie sets, and so now I have

642
00:28:50,944 --> 00:28:53,584
Speaker 2: to drive myself everywhere and get myself to places, and

643
00:28:53,624 --> 00:28:55,704
Speaker 2: I'm just not equipped to do that. So I kept speeding,

644
00:28:55,744 --> 00:28:56,744
Speaker 2: so I lost my license.

645
00:28:58,984 --> 00:29:01,024
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't drive that much.

646
00:29:01,384 --> 00:29:03,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I never drive. I have an alarm

647
00:29:03,704 --> 00:29:06,264
Speaker 2: now on my phone and it goes off every Saturday

648
00:29:06,264 --> 00:29:08,504
Speaker 2: with drive your car, and I go downstairs and drive

649
00:29:08,544 --> 00:29:10,984
Speaker 2: my car around the block. Otherwise, once I went for

650
00:29:11,024 --> 00:29:13,064
Speaker 2: four months about driving my car every stop, and I'm

651
00:29:13,104 --> 00:29:15,424
Speaker 2: like hit my car and I like run downstairs, and

652
00:29:15,424 --> 00:29:17,984
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, it's dead. This all happens to being

653
00:29:18,024 --> 00:29:19,944
Speaker 2: a city girl. Jan Johnson.

654
00:29:20,064 --> 00:29:22,824
Speaker 3: However, like Emma Watson, I have been done for speeding

655
00:29:22,824 --> 00:29:23,344
Speaker 3: a few times.

656
00:29:23,944 --> 00:29:25,984
Speaker 2: I haven't, but it's only because like I only drive places.

657
00:29:26,064 --> 00:29:27,744
Speaker 2: I drive down the road to the shops and I

658
00:29:27,784 --> 00:29:29,304
Speaker 2: can't go I want to be in a freeway.

659
00:29:29,464 --> 00:29:32,584
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't listen to my advice.

660
00:29:32,704 --> 00:29:34,424
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, again, this is the thing, like we're

661
00:29:34,464 --> 00:29:35,984
Speaker 2: sort of laughing at everyone wants in. But also I

662
00:29:35,984 --> 00:29:37,944
Speaker 2: feel a real affinity with her. Yeah, She's like it's

663
00:29:37,984 --> 00:29:40,144
Speaker 2: really hard. She's like I swear I used to be

664
00:29:40,224 --> 00:29:42,224
Speaker 2: able to do things. I'm just in this moment in

665
00:29:42,264 --> 00:29:44,384
Speaker 2: time where like I can't seem to get myself to

666
00:29:44,424 --> 00:29:45,904
Speaker 2: where I need to go. I can't seem to do

667
00:29:45,944 --> 00:29:47,544
Speaker 2: what I need to do. I can't seem to like

668
00:29:47,944 --> 00:29:51,304
Speaker 2: live as an adult in this world without all these

669
00:29:51,304 --> 00:29:53,344
Speaker 2: things around me. And I do think that's like quite

670
00:29:53,424 --> 00:29:55,104
Speaker 2: you get to a stage sometimes you're like, I used

671
00:29:55,104 --> 00:29:57,744
Speaker 2: to be good at stuff. Yeah, I can't quite do

672
00:29:57,784 --> 00:29:58,264
Speaker 2: it anymore.

673
00:29:58,304 --> 00:29:59,144
Speaker 3: No, I can't drive.

674
00:29:59,544 --> 00:30:01,304
Speaker 2: And also when she talks about dating, it's funny you

675
00:30:01,304 --> 00:30:03,504
Speaker 2: were saying that because she has written a play about herself.

676
00:30:04,224 --> 00:30:06,464
Speaker 2: She goes in the interview, I sent it to you

677
00:30:06,624 --> 00:30:08,664
Speaker 2: Jay for you to read, and he's like, oh okay,

678
00:30:12,024 --> 00:30:15,184
Speaker 2: which Jay's like, Madam is just like in the Yeah,

679
00:30:15,264 --> 00:30:16,744
Speaker 2: I actually feel like he would read it. But I

680
00:30:16,744 --> 00:30:18,424
Speaker 2: almost felt like, deez, Emma Watson sent it to me,

681
00:30:18,464 --> 00:30:20,744
Speaker 2: I'll read it. But she says sometimes she does either

682
00:30:20,784 --> 00:30:22,824
Speaker 2: send it to dates or read it aloud to date

683
00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:24,264
Speaker 2: so they can understand her more.

684
00:30:24,304 --> 00:30:26,104
Speaker 3: That sounds like my worst night matter of the first date.

685
00:30:26,384 --> 00:30:28,744
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. It's interesting because.

686
00:30:28,784 --> 00:30:31,024
Speaker 3: What's that to understand more? You know what I mean,

687
00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:34,184
Speaker 3: I feel like in her situation, if you're going on

688
00:30:34,184 --> 00:30:37,024
Speaker 3: a date, say with someone who's non famous, yeah, the

689
00:30:37,104 --> 00:30:38,744
Speaker 3: last thing you want to do is to tell them

690
00:30:38,784 --> 00:30:41,264
Speaker 3: more about yourself so early on, like they are already

691
00:30:41,264 --> 00:30:43,784
Speaker 3: coming in with there's like upper hand because they know

692
00:30:43,984 --> 00:30:46,544
Speaker 3: more about you already than you know about them. So

693
00:30:46,544 --> 00:30:47,704
Speaker 3: I would just call it for a bit.

694
00:30:47,904 --> 00:30:49,704
Speaker 2: No, no, But she's doing it because she thinks that

695
00:30:50,064 --> 00:30:53,664
Speaker 2: the preconceived notion of her. It made me think of

696
00:30:53,704 --> 00:30:56,344
Speaker 2: that scene in Nodding Hill where Julia Roberts character says

697
00:30:56,344 --> 00:30:58,304
Speaker 2: to Hugh Grant, like, people go to bed with the

698
00:30:58,424 --> 00:31:00,544
Speaker 2: version of me, the movie star version of me, and

699
00:31:00,584 --> 00:31:02,544
Speaker 2: they wake up with the real me, and it's a

700
00:31:02,584 --> 00:31:05,784
Speaker 2: disappointment always. And that's what Maybe that's what people do

701
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:08,624
Speaker 2: with me me too, like the version of you we

702
00:31:08,664 --> 00:31:12,704
Speaker 2: see on the spill. Well, maybe you should try this tactic,

703
00:31:12,744 --> 00:31:15,544
Speaker 2: so Emma Watson said as a woman who is dating. Now,

704
00:31:15,584 --> 00:31:18,504
Speaker 2: Emma Watson is dating, but she is also and I

705
00:31:18,704 --> 00:31:20,664
Speaker 2: hate this. It's okay if she wants to do it,

706
00:31:20,664 --> 00:31:23,184
Speaker 2: but I hate when women do stuff like this. She's

707
00:31:23,224 --> 00:31:26,984
Speaker 2: self partnered, which means that she identifies as someone who

708
00:31:27,024 --> 00:31:29,384
Speaker 2: will always be even if she's in a relationship, she

709
00:31:29,464 --> 00:31:31,464
Speaker 2: is partnered to herself, and that is her most important

710
00:31:31,504 --> 00:31:33,144
Speaker 2: I like the sentiment. I just don't think I loved

711
00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:36,464
Speaker 2: self partnered. Or maybe I'm not evolved enough yet to

712
00:31:36,544 --> 00:31:39,624
Speaker 2: be there, because I understand if anyone understands being a

713
00:31:39,664 --> 00:31:42,144
Speaker 2: single woman and being by yourself, like it's me. I

714
00:31:42,264 --> 00:31:44,224
Speaker 2: understand that one hundred Why women.

715
00:31:44,144 --> 00:31:46,704
Speaker 3: So scared of saying the word I'm single. Yeah, I

716
00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:48,384
Speaker 3: just say that it's fine.

717
00:31:48,504 --> 00:31:50,864
Speaker 2: I don't understand having to put a label on it

718
00:31:50,944 --> 00:31:51,264
Speaker 2: or like.

719
00:31:52,024 --> 00:31:53,424
Speaker 3: It's like if you go to a wedding, do you

720
00:31:53,584 --> 00:31:55,224
Speaker 3: check yes for plus one? Yourself?

721
00:31:56,184 --> 00:31:57,224
Speaker 2: Yourself?

722
00:31:57,384 --> 00:32:01,224
Speaker 3: Because yourself, So you get the chicken and the fish.

723
00:32:01,184 --> 00:32:05,024
Speaker 2: Because you've got yours on like your travel forms, your

724
00:32:05,024 --> 00:32:11,544
Speaker 2: bank forms, you say relationship status and you're alone, relationship.

725
00:32:10,984 --> 00:32:11,584
Speaker 3: In a relationship?

726
00:32:11,584 --> 00:32:13,224
Speaker 2: How many people living in the house for there's too

727
00:32:13,984 --> 00:32:17,224
Speaker 2: that's still about self partner again, whatever people want to do.

728
00:32:17,264 --> 00:32:19,704
Speaker 2: But I'm just I'm not evolved enough to be self partnered.

729
00:32:19,864 --> 00:32:22,504
Speaker 2: Emma Watson is she's obviously smarter than me. Well, she

730
00:32:22,544 --> 00:32:24,784
Speaker 2: went to Brown and Oxford, so I think that's fair

731
00:32:24,824 --> 00:32:25,144
Speaker 2: to say.

732
00:32:25,264 --> 00:32:26,824
Speaker 3: I love how I've talked with the caveat that, but

733
00:32:26,904 --> 00:32:29,744
Speaker 3: if I do get into a relationship, I'm still self partnered. Yeah,

734
00:32:29,784 --> 00:32:31,504
Speaker 3: because she's not going to stop her from getting into

735
00:32:31,544 --> 00:32:31,944
Speaker 3: a relationship.

736
00:32:31,984 --> 00:32:34,544
Speaker 2: She says, she's out there dating, like she's not saying, oh,

737
00:32:34,544 --> 00:32:36,184
Speaker 2: I want to be single. It's like most people who

738
00:32:36,224 --> 00:32:39,264
Speaker 2: are single, they're like not making a stance on being single.

739
00:32:39,464 --> 00:32:41,424
Speaker 2: I mean, like I'm going to be single. It's just literally,

740
00:32:41,464 --> 00:32:43,944
Speaker 2: like I haven't met anyone, and being single is better

741
00:32:43,984 --> 00:32:46,264
Speaker 2: than dating one of the jerks that I've met.

742
00:32:46,384 --> 00:32:48,824
Speaker 3: Yeah. Literally, But she says she went on.

743
00:32:48,944 --> 00:32:50,704
Speaker 2: She talks to her date she went on recently. She's like,

744
00:32:50,744 --> 00:32:53,864
Speaker 2: I'm woman in my thirties dating and it's awful. She's like, no,

745
00:32:53,904 --> 00:32:56,104
Speaker 2: because she's in her thirties. But she's like, dating in general,

746
00:32:56,144 --> 00:32:57,824
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree no matter who you are,

747
00:32:58,584 --> 00:33:02,104
Speaker 2: is a bit difficult sometimes, but it's what she's doing.

748
00:33:02,504 --> 00:33:04,584
Speaker 2: And so she talks about the fact that she was

749
00:33:04,624 --> 00:33:07,544
Speaker 2: on a date with the Sky and halfway through the

750
00:33:07,624 --> 00:33:09,504
Speaker 2: date he goes to her like, oh, I've got to say,

751
00:33:09,584 --> 00:33:13,864
Speaker 2: like I'm really the idea of Emma Watson makes me really,

752
00:33:13,904 --> 00:33:17,064
Speaker 2: really nervous, And she was like the idea of Emma

753
00:33:17,064 --> 00:33:20,104
Speaker 2: Watson makes me nervous because.

754
00:33:20,064 --> 00:33:21,144
Speaker 3: Oh, why did you say that?

755
00:33:21,504 --> 00:33:23,944
Speaker 2: Well, because she's like, it was this thing looming over

756
00:33:23,984 --> 00:33:26,864
Speaker 2: them on their date, that he was so nervous about

757
00:33:26,944 --> 00:33:30,424
Speaker 2: dating this person who has been famous, internationally famous, her

758
00:33:30,544 --> 00:33:33,944
Speaker 2: entire life is in these huge movies, has this huge persona,

759
00:33:33,984 --> 00:33:36,544
Speaker 2: but also does all these things, like as a spokeswoman

760
00:33:36,544 --> 00:33:38,104
Speaker 2: for this and has done this and all these things.

761
00:33:38,144 --> 00:33:40,064
Speaker 2: And she was like, yeah, I'm nervous of her too,

762
00:33:40,104 --> 00:33:42,664
Speaker 2: because that's not me. I didn't look like that. She's like,

763
00:33:42,664 --> 00:33:45,024
Speaker 2: when I see pictures of myself on billboards and red carpets,

764
00:33:45,024 --> 00:33:46,984
Speaker 2: I don't look at that in real life. But she's like,

765
00:33:47,024 --> 00:33:49,384
Speaker 2: when I see my like myself edited down, I don't

766
00:33:49,424 --> 00:33:51,944
Speaker 2: speak like that in real life. So like, I walk

767
00:33:52,024 --> 00:33:54,824
Speaker 2: into a room with Emma Watson looming over me, and

768
00:33:54,864 --> 00:33:57,144
Speaker 2: she's too much to deal with. But I am Emma Watson.

769
00:33:57,544 --> 00:34:00,664
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be really like shitty to be a

770
00:34:00,704 --> 00:34:05,624
Speaker 3: really famous person dating people who aren't famous, because you're

771
00:34:05,664 --> 00:34:08,944
Speaker 3: constantly having to explain yourself. You're constantly on the first day,

772
00:34:08,944 --> 00:34:10,984
Speaker 3: you're constantly having to be like, I'm like that, I'm

773
00:34:11,104 --> 00:34:12,584
Speaker 3: like that, this is what I'm like this one and

774
00:34:13,344 --> 00:34:15,344
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I can't even imagine how frustrating that

775
00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:15,664
Speaker 3: would be.

776
00:34:16,184 --> 00:34:18,144
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's just had a lot of relatable moments

777
00:34:18,184 --> 00:34:21,384
Speaker 2: in the interview. One is when she talks about one

778
00:34:21,424 --> 00:34:23,784
Speaker 2: of the reasons that she stepped away from making movies,

779
00:34:23,784 --> 00:34:26,104
Speaker 2: and she stepped away from Hollywood for over five years

780
00:34:26,104 --> 00:34:28,744
Speaker 2: and Little Women was her last big role. And also

781
00:34:28,784 --> 00:34:30,504
Speaker 2: interesting with Little Women like I don know if you remember

782
00:34:30,504 --> 00:34:33,344
Speaker 2: this at the time, that she did one premiere I

783
00:34:33,384 --> 00:34:35,384
Speaker 2: think and then opted out of the entire press tour.

784
00:34:35,584 --> 00:34:36,424
Speaker 3: I don't remember this.

785
00:34:36,624 --> 00:34:38,984
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the press tool was huge because it was

786
00:34:39,144 --> 00:34:43,384
Speaker 2: Sir Charone and Florence Pugh and Laura Dean and Meryl

787
00:34:43,464 --> 00:34:46,504
Speaker 2: Streep and Timothy Charlemagne. It was this huge thing. But

788
00:34:46,584 --> 00:34:49,264
Speaker 2: at the time, Emma Watson was one of the biggest stars.

789
00:34:49,424 --> 00:34:51,664
Speaker 2: Like now, Florence Pugh would probably be the biggest star,

790
00:34:51,984 --> 00:34:53,784
Speaker 2: but then Emma Watson was like number one.

791
00:34:53,904 --> 00:34:56,464
Speaker 3: It was number one because when I first watched Little Women,

792
00:34:56,504 --> 00:34:58,424
Speaker 3: and that's when it became like one of my favorite

793
00:34:58,464 --> 00:35:01,104
Speaker 3: movies of old time, it was I was watching it

794
00:35:01,144 --> 00:35:03,344
Speaker 3: for Emma Watson, like for me, she was the most famous.

795
00:35:03,984 --> 00:35:05,624
Speaker 2: So we've got to think she's coming off of not

796
00:35:05,664 --> 00:35:07,584
Speaker 2: just the Harry Potter franchise, but like Beauty and the

797
00:35:07,624 --> 00:35:10,024
Speaker 2: Beast and these huge kind of things and people really

798
00:35:10,064 --> 00:35:12,104
Speaker 2: loved it. Yeah.

799
00:35:12,104 --> 00:35:14,984
Speaker 3: What was that movie she played, the one about those teenagers.

800
00:35:15,744 --> 00:35:19,304
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sophia Copler is the Bling Ring. Yeah. Oh that

801
00:35:19,424 --> 00:35:21,624
Speaker 2: was a mild apart her. I actually loved her as

802
00:35:21,664 --> 00:35:25,264
Speaker 2: like Americanah, my god, she was crazy. No, she was

803
00:35:25,304 --> 00:35:27,504
Speaker 2: so good in that. But yes, she talks about the

804
00:35:27,504 --> 00:35:29,664
Speaker 2: fact that one of the reasons that she stepped away

805
00:35:29,704 --> 00:35:32,264
Speaker 2: from acting, and it was really telling that she also

806
00:35:32,304 --> 00:35:33,944
Speaker 2: stepped away from the press to her of that movie,

807
00:35:33,984 --> 00:35:36,304
Speaker 2: because at the time, people like, why are all the

808
00:35:36,304 --> 00:35:38,544
Speaker 2: other women like out hilling this movie across the world

809
00:35:38,544 --> 00:35:40,944
Speaker 2: and Emma Watson's not. She must have had some caveat

810
00:35:40,944 --> 00:35:42,704
Speaker 2: in a contract or did she just say I'm not

811
00:35:42,984 --> 00:35:44,984
Speaker 2: doing it, which I don't think you can because you

812
00:35:44,984 --> 00:35:46,984
Speaker 2: will get suit. You get paid an extra amount on

813
00:35:46,984 --> 00:35:49,424
Speaker 2: top of the movie to do the press run. So

814
00:35:49,464 --> 00:35:50,344
Speaker 2: something must have happened.

815
00:35:50,384 --> 00:35:52,664
Speaker 3: Now, some actors get away with not having to do it.

816
00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:54,464
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have to get that into the contract

817
00:35:54,504 --> 00:35:56,744
Speaker 2: before they filmed the movie. Right, Okay, if you like

818
00:35:56,904 --> 00:35:58,864
Speaker 2: sign on to film the movie, you get paid an

819
00:35:58,864 --> 00:35:59,784
Speaker 2: extra amount, and.

820
00:35:59,704 --> 00:36:01,824
Speaker 3: Do you think it's like unlikely for her to ever

821
00:36:01,824 --> 00:36:03,744
Speaker 3: get a contract like that just because she hasn't been

822
00:36:03,784 --> 00:36:05,304
Speaker 3: in the story for that long.

823
00:36:05,504 --> 00:36:07,384
Speaker 2: Well, now, I think that she would be the one

824
00:36:07,384 --> 00:36:09,424
Speaker 2: that they'd say, you have to do press because people

825
00:36:09,464 --> 00:36:12,104
Speaker 2: want to talk to you. Because of Harry Potter. People

826
00:36:12,224 --> 00:36:14,024
Speaker 2: always want to interview her. There's never going to be

827
00:36:14,024 --> 00:36:17,104
Speaker 2: a moment in her career where people are turning away

828
00:36:17,184 --> 00:36:19,344
Speaker 2: that opportunity to chat to her because she's just such

829
00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:22,904
Speaker 2: a recognizable name. But she talks about the fact that

830
00:36:23,624 --> 00:36:25,784
Speaker 2: she grew up on the Harry Potter sets and they

831
00:36:25,904 --> 00:36:28,064
Speaker 2: felt like such a family, and then she went into

832
00:36:28,144 --> 00:36:32,304
Speaker 2: other movies basically looking for family and friendship and didn't

833
00:36:32,304 --> 00:36:32,784
Speaker 2: find it.

834
00:36:32,824 --> 00:36:33,984
Speaker 3: And they were very much like, this.

835
00:36:33,944 --> 00:36:36,144
Speaker 4: Is a job, because most people don't come to those

836
00:36:36,224 --> 00:36:40,624
Speaker 4: environments looking for friendships. They're looking for this is my chance,

837
00:36:40,904 --> 00:36:44,784
Speaker 4: this is my role. And I was not of that mindset,

838
00:36:45,504 --> 00:36:51,904
Speaker 4: and so I found the rejection really painful. I think

839
00:36:52,424 --> 00:36:55,544
Speaker 4: it's so unusual to make a set of films for

840
00:36:55,984 --> 00:37:00,184
Speaker 4: twelve years and we were a community, like we really were,

841
00:37:00,624 --> 00:37:05,024
Speaker 4: And so I took that as an expectation into my

842
00:37:05,064 --> 00:37:08,544
Speaker 4: other workplaces, and I just got my I just got

843
00:37:08,544 --> 00:37:09,184
Speaker 4: my ass kicked.

844
00:37:09,784 --> 00:37:10,264
Speaker 3: I really did.

845
00:37:10,824 --> 00:37:14,704
Speaker 4: I'm just not thick skinned. Maybe I just wasn't built

846
00:37:14,784 --> 00:37:18,304
Speaker 4: for those kinds of highly compatitive environments.

847
00:37:19,344 --> 00:37:21,464
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, it broke me.

848
00:37:21,904 --> 00:37:25,864
Speaker 4: Yeah, but in a way, I'm proud that it did,

849
00:37:26,144 --> 00:37:29,184
Speaker 4: because I guess that means they have something left to break.

850
00:37:29,344 --> 00:37:33,064
Speaker 3: They're a heart left to break. That's so heartbreaking. Yeah,

851
00:37:33,064 --> 00:37:35,744
Speaker 3: it really is saying that I have a heart to break.

852
00:37:36,504 --> 00:37:38,464
Speaker 2: And she's if you watch the video of it, she's

853
00:37:38,544 --> 00:37:40,944
Speaker 2: crying quite a bit, and I understand that because she's

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00:37:40,984 --> 00:37:43,024
Speaker 2: looking back on this moment. And then later in the interview,

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00:37:43,104 --> 00:37:45,664
Speaker 2: she says, the other really hard thing is that when

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00:37:45,704 --> 00:37:47,904
Speaker 2: you go on these press tours is that all the

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00:37:47,944 --> 00:37:49,584
Speaker 2: actors sit there and they get asked like, do you

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00:37:49,584 --> 00:37:52,064
Speaker 2: guys hang out together? Are your friends? Everyone says yes,

859
00:37:52,224 --> 00:37:54,744
Speaker 2: and she says it's not true. We don't hang out together.

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00:37:54,784 --> 00:37:57,024
Speaker 2: People don't see each other. That's so rare for.

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Speaker 3: It's just what the audience want to.

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00:37:58,424 --> 00:38:01,944
Speaker 2: Hear, exactly. And she said, the further heartbreak is pretending

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00:38:02,064 --> 00:38:05,104
Speaker 2: something that you want. She just sounds like an incredibly

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00:38:05,504 --> 00:38:08,544
Speaker 2: lonely person for someone who and I'm not saying she

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00:38:08,544 --> 00:38:10,184
Speaker 2: doesn't have family or friends or anything like that. But

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Speaker 2: I just think she went into all these movies with

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00:38:13,224 --> 00:38:14,904
Speaker 2: so much money and fame that she didn't have to

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00:38:14,984 --> 00:38:17,464
Speaker 2: keep acting. It sounds like she just wanted community, and

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Speaker 2: she wanted friends and just wasn't able to find that.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean this to come out in a bad way,

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Speaker 2: but I do find something a little comforting in the

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00:38:26,224 --> 00:38:29,984
Speaker 2: fact that even Emma Watson, Golden Girl of Our Lives,

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00:38:30,784 --> 00:38:33,544
Speaker 2: struggles with loneliness and friendship, because when you get into

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00:38:33,544 --> 00:38:36,544
Speaker 2: your thirties, finding friends is hard and finding community is

875
00:38:36,624 --> 00:38:40,184
Speaker 2: really really hard. And I just assumed it would be

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00:38:40,184 --> 00:38:41,384
Speaker 2: a bit easier if you were her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like it's harder.

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00:38:43,304 --> 00:38:46,024
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she doesn't sort of say anything bad eating

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00:38:46,064 --> 00:38:47,864
Speaker 2: her coast does. I'm sure people will jump to that.

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00:38:47,904 --> 00:38:49,864
Speaker 2: They'll be like, was it Florence Pugh who.

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Speaker 3: I think most people are assuming it's women?

882
00:38:52,304 --> 00:38:55,264
Speaker 2: Yeah? Was it ser Charone? Or like, was it someone

883
00:38:55,304 --> 00:38:57,224
Speaker 2: on the cast of Was it Josh gadd on the

884
00:38:57,224 --> 00:38:59,344
Speaker 2: cast of Beauty in the Nies? Was it Tom Hanks

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00:38:59,384 --> 00:39:03,984
Speaker 2: in the Circle? Was it bag? Wasn't the girls on

886
00:39:04,024 --> 00:39:05,744
Speaker 2: the Bling Ring set? You know what I mean? Like,

887
00:39:05,864 --> 00:39:08,184
Speaker 2: but it probably was a little bit of all of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where you go into like being a and that

889
00:39:11,264 --> 00:39:13,144
Speaker 3: being your life, like it's not just a job for you.

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Speaker 3: It's like they would have had tutors, their parents were

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00:39:15,544 --> 00:39:18,104
Speaker 3: on set, they would look in the actual community to

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Speaker 3: them being an adult and trying to do the same thing.

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Speaker 3: And then you're just there by yourself.

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00:39:21,584 --> 00:39:23,704
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it happens. I think it's really

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00:39:23,704 --> 00:39:26,104
Speaker 2: refreshing to hear, because like, even from my own point

896
00:39:26,144 --> 00:39:27,464
Speaker 2: of view, like I met a lot of friends at

897
00:39:27,504 --> 00:39:29,784
Speaker 2: Mama Mea who are all my best friends now. But

898
00:39:29,984 --> 00:39:32,944
Speaker 2: I before that, I moved to so many new cities

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00:39:32,944 --> 00:39:35,304
Speaker 2: where I knew no one for work, and every time

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00:39:35,304 --> 00:39:37,024
Speaker 2: I got there, I kind of assumed that I would

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00:39:37,024 --> 00:39:39,904
Speaker 2: just be friends with who I worked with, And sometimes

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00:39:39,984 --> 00:39:41,624
Speaker 2: I wanted to a year with no friends, having no

903
00:39:41,664 --> 00:39:44,584
Speaker 2: one in a town, no friends, no one. And it

904
00:39:44,624 --> 00:39:46,544
Speaker 2: wasn't that there was something wrong with me, I hope,

905
00:39:46,624 --> 00:39:48,904
Speaker 2: or something wrong with them. It was more so that, like,

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00:39:48,944 --> 00:39:51,704
Speaker 2: you just don't make friends and community everywhere you go,

907
00:39:51,864 --> 00:39:55,544
Speaker 2: no matter how sparkly you are. And so I feel

908
00:39:55,584 --> 00:39:56,904
Speaker 2: like that's what she's trying to say, And I feel

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00:39:56,904 --> 00:39:58,584
Speaker 2: like people are trying to look for a celebrity feud.

910
00:39:58,584 --> 00:40:00,624
Speaker 2: But it's just someone who was looking for friendship and

911
00:40:00,704 --> 00:40:04,304
Speaker 2: friendship is hard and she couldn't find it. So ancuse,

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Speaker 2: as I said, the full interview with Emma is over

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Speaker 2: two hours long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so worth listening. It's so worth it.

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00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:11,864
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaks so well. Yeah, And as much as we're

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Speaker 2: having a little laugh at our speeding self partnered gal,

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Speaker 2: we still we can only do that because I feel

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Speaker 2: like she's ours. She's like our yea, our's one of

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Speaker 2: our people.

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Speaker 3: We claimed her.

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Speaker 2: We've claimed her. So it's like you can like make

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Speaker 2: fun of your friends, but other people can't survivor.

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Speaker 3: With any people in relationships. No, you can't say anything

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Speaker 3: about it. We're allowed to say it. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for listening to this episode of the Spill. Make

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Speaker 3: to talk about. We also have your weekend viewing sorted,

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