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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Welcome to Mummia out Loud,

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Speaker 2: where women come to debrief. I am Jeffie Stevens.

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Speaker 1: I'm mea Friedman, I'm Amelia Loster.

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Speaker 2: And here's what's on our agenda for today, Friday, the

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Speaker 2: eleventh of July. The world is not Made for Me.

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Speaker 2: That is a tongue in cheek title of a newsletter

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Speaker 2: we read this week, and we have some feedback.

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Speaker 1: Plus I want to talk about micro efficiencies and all

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Speaker 1: the tiny genius ways people are saving time. And I

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Speaker 1: predict that we're going to have an argument about this

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Speaker 1: one because I think it's awesome. Who doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: save time? And Jesse will no doubt say it's capitalism's soul.

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Speaker 2: I haven't even been able to reply yet, and you're already.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready.

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Speaker 3: The room, has a protein hack. I forgive.

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Speaker 1: No one can benefit from protein, not just perry people.

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Speaker 2: In case you missed it. It's a Friday, and I'm

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Speaker 2: breaking all the rules of podcasting because hollywoodn't let me

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Speaker 2: do this, but Maya I don't listen to you, so

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Speaker 2: I'm just going with it. I'm bringing an optical allusion

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Speaker 2: to the program today, will allow. I saw something called

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Speaker 2: the Koffer illusion. Has anyone heard of this?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: So it was in the Guardian and apparently how you

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Speaker 2: see it depends on where you live. See what exactly.

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Speaker 2: The reason why I'm breaking the rules is because this

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Speaker 2: is an auditory medium, and what I'm talking about is

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Speaker 2: an optical illusion. So the Coffer illusion is basically.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're going to describe an optical illusion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll show you two in the podcast for Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so this is it. I want you to tell me.

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Speaker 2: Do you see squares or do you see circles?

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Speaker 3: Squares?

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Speaker 5: Maya squares?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we all see squares. We'll put it on

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Speaker 2: the outout Instagram and you can see what you think.

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Speaker 2: The reason I find this interesting is because the reason

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Speaker 2: we all see squares is because people in western industrialized

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Speaker 2: countries see things in a specific way because we are

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Speaker 2: so used to seeing environments with straight lines and right angles.

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Speaker 2: So that's how our eyes now interpret things. Whereas they

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Speaker 2: showed this same allusion to people in rural Namibia, one

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Speaker 2: of the most sparsely populated places on Earth, and they

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Speaker 2: saw circles.

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Speaker 1: How can you see circles in that?

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Speaker 2: I know? This is what's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: That's like blue dress, green dress.

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Speaker 1: Right. Sometimes I like to let me look at it

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Speaker 1: and see if I can make my circles.

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Speaker 2: Is there better listening than oh I can see circles.

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Speaker 2: So the silence of me are looking at an image.

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Speaker 3: I can see circle.

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Speaker 1: They've gone Oh wait, I can see them again. The

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Speaker 1: circles are in between the squares. Is the idea that

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Speaker 1: I just got in touch with my rural roots?

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right. Now why does this matter? It matters

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Speaker 2: because we see things not as they are friends, but

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Speaker 2: up everything on a Friday. How profound is that?

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Speaker 3: I like a magic eye? Do you see circles?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw the circle and did they disappear again?

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Speaker 3: When you focus on it you can see. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is riveting. I can't believe we have it. One

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Speaker 2: I know, I think every week. Optical Illusion of the

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Speaker 2: week and listeners could listen to us be like, it's

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Speaker 2: a duck, No, it's a hat.

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Speaker 1: Is this why you number one and we aren't. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe that. I want to tell you a story

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Speaker 1: about a woman called Veronica Pullan. She lives somewhere called

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Speaker 1: the Isle of Wight, which sounds made up.

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Speaker 2: It does sound a little bit made up, but it

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Speaker 2: is absolutely not. It is off the coast of England.

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Speaker 1: I didn't do geography. I'm very bad with places. I

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Speaker 1: to Veronica. Veronica likes tea, which is why I'm interested

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Speaker 2: And you thought my optical illusion was riveting.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I can hear us climbing the charge. Anyone got

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Speaker 2: I hate it when people talk about their tea because

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Speaker 2: I don't drink tea and I don't get it. Okay, well, Amelia,

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Speaker 2: anything to add to the tea.

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Speaker 4: I'm interested in where this is going because it reminds

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Speaker 3: Keep going.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you ask. It's all about micro efficiencies because

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Speaker 1: making two cups at a time. Just don't hate the player,

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Speaker 1: hate the game. Okay, she saves five minutes with every

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours, Veronica saves twenty minutes, and across two years,

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Speaker 4: Do you know what Americans do with their tea to

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Speaker 1: You going on tangents, listen. It's called a micro efficiency

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Speaker 1: what Veronica does with the two cups of tea, and

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Speaker 1: of their daily lives. I'm very interested in this story.

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Speaker 1: They're on the rise. According to a story in The

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Speaker 1: Guardian this week where I learned about Veronica and some

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Speaker 1: other examples. Let me share them with you. Laying close

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people do things like pre prepping

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Speaker 1: it and you don't care. There's two aspects to micro efficiencies.

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Speaker 4: What do you think so I think that this was

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Speaker 3: Do you know why I think that? Jesse?

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Speaker 4: Let me explained, because you're looking blank. In twenty twelve,

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Speaker 4: there was a Vanity Fair profile of Barack Obama written

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Speaker 4: by Michael Lewis, who is probably the world's greatest profile writer,

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Speaker 4: And in this profile he revealed something that I still

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Speaker 4: we talk about it often. We talk about it often.

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Speaker 4: And in the profile, Obama told Michael Lewis that he

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Speaker 4: he says, I'm trying to pare down decisions. I don't

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Speaker 4: because I have too many other decisions to make. Then

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Speaker 4: a couple months after that, there was a New York

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Speaker 4: Times profile of Obama and it was revealed by his

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Speaker 4: know what you're going to say, It's seven seven.

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Speaker 1: How do I know this? And I don't know my

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Speaker 3: He later said it was a joke.

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Speaker 4: No one believed him that was real because it was

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Speaker 4: his friends telling the Times it wasn't him. And I

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Speaker 4: think what's so interesting about this is that Michelle Obama,

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Speaker 4: who he is married to, has expressed frustration about his

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Speaker 4: microefficiencies on many occasions. They're clearly cut from different cloths.

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Speaker 3: She has said, you can't control everything.

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Speaker 4: My number one daily habit is I give myself permission

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Speaker 4: to be happy and to prioritize myself. That is spoken

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Speaker 1: I think that's very passive aggressive Michelle. I think she

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Speaker 4: You're eating the same lunch every day, right, Oh, you're

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Speaker 4: obsessed is microefficiency? No?

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Speaker 1: But for me and Obama, it's about making less decisions

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Speaker 1: that's why they do it because they find choice overwhelming.

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Speaker 5: To go, oh what will I do?

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Speaker 1: But for me, also the microefficiencies that I'm really into

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Speaker 1: it's not that it saves me time because I might

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Speaker 2: So yeah, this is this idea that you kind of

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Speaker 2: Like that's the philosophy, right, And there's this Japanese concept

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Speaker 2: a tiny ongoing changes. So when there's moments of tension

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Speaker 2: this by one percent? And the one percents eventually add

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Speaker 2: like microfish sees rad and they had squats while brushing

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Speaker 2: me out. No one just brushes their teeth anymore. It's

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Speaker 2: you always use it to clean your bathroom, or you

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Speaker 2: No, no, you're brushing your teeth. How many people look

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Speaker 1: It's so true. I've started to go and look at

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Speaker 1: next day when I brush your tee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we've got to fill every minute alarms for everything,

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Speaker 2: getting Siri to write your texts. Someone else said that

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Speaker 2: the microwave. Whenever they set the microwave in their house,

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Speaker 2: like even for two minutes or whatever, it becomes a

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Speaker 5: Don that one turn it into supermarket sweep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I do it all the time, And I'm like, can

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Speaker 2: I unpack the dishwasher in the forty five seconds?

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Speaker 1: Oh? That's really smart because I am forever popping up

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Speaker 1: because I can't stand waiting for a toaster or a

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Speaker 1: Out louders, we've got a listener dilemma and we need

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Speaker 1: Please. Here is the problem from our listener. I was

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Speaker 4: This is such an interesting dilemma because I think we

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Speaker 4: And what I took from that is no one's immune

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Speaker 2: would not tell Lisa. I really, I believe very strongly

439
00:20:06,901 --> 00:20:10,421
Speaker 2: in not telling people things like that that they don't

440
00:20:10,502 --> 00:20:12,302
Speaker 2: need to know. I'm trying to think of this.

441
00:20:12,422 --> 00:20:14,742
Speaker 4: She kind of does need to know it because these

442
00:20:14,742 --> 00:20:18,222
Speaker 4: are as I understand the writing here. These people, some

443
00:20:18,302 --> 00:20:19,862
Speaker 4: of them are friends with Lisa.

444
00:20:20,262 --> 00:20:22,101
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think though, if there was a group

445
00:20:22,141 --> 00:20:24,381
Speaker 2: of people, there are people I mates with who I

446
00:20:24,462 --> 00:20:27,021
Speaker 2: reckon probably have side groups where they went to Lisa.

447
00:20:27,141 --> 00:20:28,382
Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt her so much.

448
00:20:28,502 --> 00:20:30,542
Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon. It's like if someone came to me

449
00:20:30,581 --> 00:20:32,702
Speaker 2: and said, hey, you know that person they actually say

450
00:20:32,861 --> 00:20:34,621
Speaker 2: X and zed about you, I'd be like, I probably

451
00:20:34,661 --> 00:20:36,581
Speaker 2: didn't need to know about x Y and zed meya.

452
00:20:36,621 --> 00:20:39,822
Speaker 4: In the nineties, I loved doctor Phil because he always

453
00:20:39,861 --> 00:20:42,302
Speaker 4: gave scripts for how to have difficult conversations.

454
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Speaker 3: And I know that you have a script for me.

455
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Speaker 3: What's the script of how you tell Lisa?

456
00:20:46,222 --> 00:20:48,262
Speaker 1: I don't tell her. There is no script.

457
00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,262
Speaker 2: I don't want don't tell. What do you do though,

458
00:20:50,262 --> 00:20:51,222
Speaker 2: do you think you leave the group?

459
00:20:51,302 --> 00:20:52,302
Speaker 1: I leave the group?

460
00:20:52,422 --> 00:20:53,061
Speaker 2: Do you say anything?

461
00:20:53,141 --> 00:20:57,182
Speaker 1: And yes, I would say guys, I'm not comfortable being

462
00:20:57,222 --> 00:21:00,381
Speaker 1: in this group. I wish I hadn't been added. So

463
00:21:00,422 --> 00:21:02,182
Speaker 1: you shame them and then you leave.

464
00:21:02,302 --> 00:21:04,022
Speaker 2: You actually totally would say that that.

465
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Speaker 1: I would, and then I'd also, as you say, Amelia,

466
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Speaker 1: I'd have a good think about oh I feel about

467
00:21:10,542 --> 00:21:13,701
Speaker 1: these people in this group. I remember the Kardashians had

468
00:21:13,702 --> 00:21:16,381
Speaker 1: a thing where they had a group that was not Courtney,

469
00:21:17,061 --> 00:21:19,381
Speaker 1: and then we started a group that was not Holly.

470
00:21:20,302 --> 00:21:23,502
Speaker 1: Holly was in it, and it was called not Holly

471
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Speaker 1: for a really long time. What was you mean, Holly?

472
00:21:26,141 --> 00:21:27,022
Speaker 3: It was not Holly.

473
00:21:27,702 --> 00:21:29,982
Speaker 1: So I think get out of the group and shame

474
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Speaker 1: them on your way out.

475
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Speaker 4: I just think that while we all do this thing

476
00:21:33,942 --> 00:21:37,542
Speaker 4: where we complain about mutuals on the internet, starting this

477
00:21:37,702 --> 00:21:40,502
Speaker 4: group to talk about this woman and calling it Lisa

478
00:21:40,581 --> 00:21:42,941
Speaker 4: watch is a whole other level, and I think Lisa

479
00:21:43,022 --> 00:21:45,382
Speaker 4: needs to know that these are people who call themselves

480
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Speaker 4: her friend.

481
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Speaker 2: Would you tell the details or would you just say

482
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Speaker 2: Linda No.

483
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't tell the details, but I'd open up a

484
00:21:49,942 --> 00:21:53,141
Speaker 4: conversation with Lisa about the friends in this group and

485
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Speaker 4: about how's that relationship going, because.

486
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Speaker 1: Then she'd be like, what did they say yeah. I

487
00:21:58,341 --> 00:22:02,101
Speaker 1: just think sometimes these honesty like it might make you

488
00:22:02,141 --> 00:22:04,302
Speaker 1: feel better, it might alleviate some of the guilt about

489
00:22:04,302 --> 00:22:06,862
Speaker 1: what you know having been in that group. But all

490
00:22:06,861 --> 00:22:09,022
Speaker 1: it's going to bring Lisa is a world of pain

491
00:22:09,061 --> 00:22:11,502
Speaker 1: in her Yo, You're right, so I actually think you

492
00:22:11,742 --> 00:22:14,182
Speaker 1: said a word before that I would say, I'd say, guys,

493
00:22:14,222 --> 00:22:17,622
Speaker 1: this is very high school. I feel really uncomfortable being here.

494
00:22:18,061 --> 00:22:20,102
Speaker 1: And then Amelia has left the chat.

495
00:22:20,022 --> 00:22:22,462
Speaker 2: Out loud as what would you do next? Share your

496
00:22:22,502 --> 00:22:25,262
Speaker 2: thoughts in the mummea out loud Facebook group and also

497
00:22:25,341 --> 00:22:26,942
Speaker 2: if you have a dilemma, you can send it to

498
00:22:27,022 --> 00:22:29,461
Speaker 2: us at out loud atmummeya dot com dot au. We

499
00:22:29,502 --> 00:22:33,302
Speaker 2: would love to help. The world was not built for me.

500
00:22:33,942 --> 00:22:36,701
Speaker 2: That is a very melodramatic, tongue in cheek title of

501
00:22:36,702 --> 00:22:40,662
Speaker 2: a newsletter by Sabrina Molu all about the experience of

502
00:22:40,742 --> 00:22:43,942
Speaker 2: being five foot tall, otherwise known.

503
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Speaker 1: As Sabrina Carpenter Quite short, right, how total are you?

504
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Speaker 2: I am about five one five two around there? I think, look,

505
00:22:52,702 --> 00:22:55,462
Speaker 2: I too, am quite short and m Vernum actually sent

506
00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:58,421
Speaker 2: me this newsletter right, and I was like, okay, I

507
00:22:58,462 --> 00:23:02,022
Speaker 2: have never genuinely had the sense that the world was

508
00:23:02,061 --> 00:23:03,502
Speaker 2: not built for me, and I would like to just

509
00:23:03,542 --> 00:23:05,421
Speaker 2: take a moment for all of us to put on

510
00:23:05,462 --> 00:23:07,581
Speaker 2: the table. We know that there are people who the

511
00:23:07,581 --> 00:23:10,061
Speaker 2: world is not built for, for example, people with this disabilities.

512
00:23:10,262 --> 00:23:12,701
Speaker 2: That is why this article is tongue in cheek and

513
00:23:12,821 --> 00:23:14,382
Speaker 2: very silly. And so I looked at it and I went,

514
00:23:14,542 --> 00:23:16,101
Speaker 2: m this is a bit of silliness. I'm going to

515
00:23:16,141 --> 00:23:17,342
Speaker 2: ignore it. And then I read it and I went,

516
00:23:17,381 --> 00:23:19,542
Speaker 2: you know what? She makes some compelling points. What are

517
00:23:19,581 --> 00:23:21,982
Speaker 2: you sitting on right now, Jesse, I'm sitting on a cushion.

518
00:23:22,061 --> 00:23:23,462
Speaker 2: I always need to sit on a cushion. That is

519
00:23:23,462 --> 00:23:25,341
Speaker 2: because I'm short. It is also because I have issues

520
00:23:25,381 --> 00:23:28,902
Speaker 2: with my proportions, which is a particularly short upper half.

521
00:23:30,422 --> 00:23:32,702
Speaker 2: Here are three of the most compelling points she makes.

522
00:23:32,782 --> 00:23:36,902
Speaker 2: The first barstools and medieval torture devices. She says they're

523
00:23:36,942 --> 00:23:39,341
Speaker 2: not made for sitting, they're made for dangling. Maya, do

524
00:23:39,422 --> 00:23:41,061
Speaker 2: you identify with that?

525
00:23:41,182 --> 00:23:41,302
Speaker 4: Oh?

526
00:23:41,381 --> 00:23:44,302
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never feel very I mean, I'm five. Isn't

527
00:23:44,302 --> 00:23:46,942
Speaker 1: it funny we still save feet? Yeah? I still think

528
00:23:46,942 --> 00:23:50,742
Speaker 1: of height in feet. I'm about five foot five.

529
00:23:51,061 --> 00:23:54,222
Speaker 2: Probably bullshit, No you're not. You've just pulled that out

530
00:23:54,222 --> 00:23:56,141
Speaker 2: of nowhere. You're maybe five three five.

531
00:23:56,502 --> 00:23:58,061
Speaker 3: No, you are very.

532
00:23:58,101 --> 00:24:00,302
Speaker 2: Okay, this is just lies that you're telling it, and

533
00:24:00,302 --> 00:24:00,581
Speaker 2: you can.

534
00:24:00,502 --> 00:24:02,181
Speaker 1: Come one hundred and sixty five centimeters.

535
00:24:02,222 --> 00:24:03,542
Speaker 2: You're a danglar. You definitely die.

536
00:24:03,581 --> 00:24:05,622
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'd never feel secure on a barstool.

537
00:24:05,821 --> 00:24:07,942
Speaker 2: Okay, how about this is the second point of three.

538
00:24:08,101 --> 00:24:10,701
Speaker 2: Maxi dresses are a hazard nowational security. She says they

539
00:24:10,742 --> 00:24:12,502
Speaker 2: were not made for me. They were made for statues

540
00:24:12,542 --> 00:24:14,941
Speaker 2: outside the met Maya, can you wear a Maxi dress?

541
00:24:15,542 --> 00:24:18,502
Speaker 1: I can? Am I always successful? And do I fall over?

542
00:24:18,621 --> 00:24:20,982
Speaker 2: Yes, Amelia, how tall are you look?

543
00:24:21,022 --> 00:24:22,102
Speaker 3: I'm five to seven.

544
00:24:22,821 --> 00:24:27,222
Speaker 4: The world I think was made for I have no complaints.

545
00:24:28,022 --> 00:24:30,502
Speaker 2: The third point she makes are jim machines are a

546
00:24:30,502 --> 00:24:33,462
Speaker 2: personal attack. I actually agree with this. The seats are just,

547
00:24:33,702 --> 00:24:35,821
Speaker 2: but do they really is a question. I adjust them

548
00:24:35,821 --> 00:24:38,101
Speaker 2: and I'm still like, well, I'm not touching the bottom

549
00:24:38,141 --> 00:24:38,382
Speaker 2: of the.

550
00:24:38,381 --> 00:24:40,061
Speaker 3: Foot, okay, like bicycles, like.

551
00:24:40,022 --> 00:24:42,141
Speaker 2: Bicycles and stuff. I'm just like, this doesn't really work.

552
00:24:42,621 --> 00:24:45,101
Speaker 2: Look now. One point she makes is about airplane seats,

553
00:24:45,141 --> 00:24:47,902
Speaker 2: and I was like, short girls cannot complain about planes.

554
00:24:47,982 --> 00:24:52,061
Speaker 2: So in the interests of balance, we invited one. Stacey

555
00:24:52,141 --> 00:24:54,902
Speaker 2: Hicks she is mom and Maya's deputy editor. That is important,

556
00:24:54,901 --> 00:24:58,581
Speaker 2: But you know what's more important. Stacey stands at six

557
00:24:58,702 --> 00:25:02,501
Speaker 2: foot one oh yeah, otherwise known as one hundred and

558
00:25:02,661 --> 00:25:06,341
Speaker 2: eighty seven center meters. I've never even looked Stacy in

559
00:25:06,341 --> 00:25:07,941
Speaker 2: the eye till she's just sat down beside me.

560
00:25:08,061 --> 00:25:10,581
Speaker 1: She's not sitting on a cushion, but she does have

561
00:25:11,061 --> 00:25:14,061
Speaker 1: some books underneath her microphone to make it taller.

562
00:25:14,182 --> 00:25:16,061
Speaker 5: Otherwise microphone has a booster seat.

563
00:25:16,542 --> 00:25:18,941
Speaker 2: Yes, the other way, your nipples were talking to the

564
00:25:18,942 --> 00:25:20,822
Speaker 2: microphone exactly, Stacy.

565
00:25:21,222 --> 00:25:23,902
Speaker 4: Now, I know Stacey's here to complain about how hard

566
00:25:23,942 --> 00:25:25,782
Speaker 4: it is to be the height of a supermodel, and.

567
00:25:26,061 --> 00:25:28,302
Speaker 3: I'm totally willing to hear her out on that.

568
00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:30,822
Speaker 4: I do have to point out that before we started recording,

569
00:25:30,861 --> 00:25:32,861
Speaker 4: Stacey announced that she got dressed in the dark.

570
00:25:32,901 --> 00:25:36,181
Speaker 3: Today she still looks like a supermodel. Yeah, I'd like

571
00:25:36,222 --> 00:25:39,422
Speaker 3: to talk how I want to get the world's tiniest smilin.

572
00:25:40,262 --> 00:25:43,381
Speaker 5: I'm here, Stacy out look, that is very generous of you.

573
00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:46,021
Speaker 6: I don't want to minimize the plight of short people

574
00:25:46,182 --> 00:25:50,861
Speaker 6: like I see you. Why, I'll see you here very

575
00:25:50,901 --> 00:25:53,341
Speaker 6: far away. I see you like I am a foot

576
00:25:53,381 --> 00:25:55,942
Speaker 6: above you. But I do see you, but just from

577
00:25:55,942 --> 00:25:59,221
Speaker 6: the opposite end of the spectrum. Like plane seeds, my

578
00:25:59,341 --> 00:26:02,341
Speaker 6: knees have never known a minute of peace. They are

579
00:26:02,462 --> 00:26:04,982
Speaker 6: jammed against a seat on a bus, on a train,

580
00:26:05,422 --> 00:26:07,982
Speaker 6: on a plane, you are basically in business class twenty

581
00:26:07,982 --> 00:26:12,461
Speaker 6: four seven. Actually, that's spacious for you, dangle away.

582
00:26:12,502 --> 00:26:13,222
Speaker 3: I don't care.

583
00:26:13,381 --> 00:26:15,701
Speaker 5: It's better than being folded up like a little prawn.

584
00:26:15,901 --> 00:26:17,741
Speaker 2: I do think this when you get the advantage of

585
00:26:17,742 --> 00:26:20,182
Speaker 2: sometimes having a spare seat next to you in the

586
00:26:20,302 --> 00:26:22,661
Speaker 2: right pretzel position, I can have a bed out of

587
00:26:22,661 --> 00:26:25,782
Speaker 2: two seats exactly like that would what maybe sh.

588
00:26:25,942 --> 00:26:27,701
Speaker 6: I would have to put my legs on the person

589
00:26:27,742 --> 00:26:29,662
Speaker 6: across the aisle to be able.

590
00:26:29,502 --> 00:26:32,262
Speaker 5: To do that. That is not happening for me.

591
00:26:32,581 --> 00:26:34,702
Speaker 2: If this is a complaint about the world was not built,

592
00:26:35,502 --> 00:26:37,621
Speaker 2: how is the world not built for tall people?

593
00:26:37,661 --> 00:26:40,501
Speaker 6: Oh, Jesse, let me list the waist. You hit your

594
00:26:40,542 --> 00:26:43,262
Speaker 6: head on everything. I have a bruise right now, lucky

595
00:26:43,302 --> 00:26:45,341
Speaker 6: we're filming. That is from hitting my head on a

596
00:26:45,422 --> 00:26:47,341
Speaker 6: lamp shade that was not made for me.

597
00:26:48,381 --> 00:26:50,342
Speaker 5: Maxi dresses look like MIDI dresses.

598
00:26:50,702 --> 00:26:53,861
Speaker 6: Meati dresses look like mini dresses. Mini dresses look like

599
00:26:53,942 --> 00:26:55,942
Speaker 6: tops so nothing looks right.

600
00:26:56,502 --> 00:26:59,621
Speaker 1: Where I can wear tops as dressing exactly, I would

601
00:26:59,621 --> 00:27:00,262
Speaker 1: look absurd.

602
00:27:00,462 --> 00:27:03,262
Speaker 2: I want to counter that short girl problem. Sure you

603
00:27:03,262 --> 00:27:05,701
Speaker 2: should see the bottom of my jeans because they have

604
00:27:05,782 --> 00:27:08,502
Speaker 2: picked up everywhere I've ever been. They are so scuffed,

605
00:27:08,542 --> 00:27:11,542
Speaker 2: they are so dirty, they are disgusting. Talk to me

606
00:27:11,542 --> 00:27:13,141
Speaker 2: at the bottom of your jean's. I bet their pretending

607
00:27:13,222 --> 00:27:13,622
Speaker 2: you know what.

608
00:27:13,821 --> 00:27:16,821
Speaker 6: My ankles are out all the time, pets and never

609
00:27:16,861 --> 00:27:17,381
Speaker 6: long enough.

610
00:27:17,462 --> 00:27:19,662
Speaker 1: She has to shave her uncles because they're always in visible.

611
00:27:19,702 --> 00:27:22,782
Speaker 6: Cle and short people, they like to say, oh, but

612
00:27:22,861 --> 00:27:25,742
Speaker 6: you know, my pants are like billowing on the ground.

613
00:27:26,022 --> 00:27:27,942
Speaker 6: But to you, I say, you can take them up.

614
00:27:28,222 --> 00:27:30,621
Speaker 6: I can't add like a little fringing to the bottom

615
00:27:30,621 --> 00:27:32,022
Speaker 6: of mine, I would look crazy.

616
00:27:32,101 --> 00:27:35,581
Speaker 2: Maya would add, maybe we should do that.

617
00:27:35,661 --> 00:27:37,142
Speaker 3: Do you quite like it? Stacey?

618
00:27:37,302 --> 00:27:40,101
Speaker 4: Is another problem that whenever anyone meets you for the

619
00:27:40,141 --> 00:27:42,422
Speaker 4: first time, they invariably blurt.

620
00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:43,302
Speaker 2: Out, oh, you're tall.

621
00:27:43,542 --> 00:27:45,901
Speaker 6: It is unbelievable. When I first met my husband, he

622
00:27:45,942 --> 00:27:48,661
Speaker 6: thought I was exaggerating because he's the exact same height

623
00:27:48,742 --> 00:27:51,021
Speaker 6: as me and has never experienced it. No one has

624
00:27:51,061 --> 00:27:54,542
Speaker 6: commented on his height. But when we are in grocery stores,

625
00:27:54,621 --> 00:27:57,941
Speaker 6: when we're with our daughter. People strangers come and tap

626
00:27:58,022 --> 00:28:00,502
Speaker 6: me to turn me around to say, wow, you're so.

627
00:28:00,542 --> 00:28:02,542
Speaker 1: Tall, and what's your response?

628
00:28:02,821 --> 00:28:06,821
Speaker 6: I say, am I, I say thank you for letting

629
00:28:06,861 --> 00:28:10,701
Speaker 6: me know. And then they instantly realized that it's like

630
00:28:10,742 --> 00:28:12,061
Speaker 6: they just can't hold it in.

631
00:28:12,302 --> 00:28:13,782
Speaker 2: Do people ask if you're an athlete?

632
00:28:13,942 --> 00:28:16,661
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's worse because very coat.

633
00:28:17,621 --> 00:28:21,101
Speaker 6: Everyone asks if I did basketball or netball, and like

634
00:28:21,141 --> 00:28:23,662
Speaker 6: a lot of tall people will know, like your brain's

635
00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:25,661
Speaker 6: a long way from your legs and your arms the

636
00:28:25,702 --> 00:28:27,742
Speaker 6: coordination you're athletic.

637
00:28:28,341 --> 00:28:29,982
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be. I see I got to have

638
00:28:30,022 --> 00:28:32,022
Speaker 2: an excuse at school when I was like, well I'll

639
00:28:32,061 --> 00:28:36,422
Speaker 2: never be a professional netballer. Yeah, everyone's still you didn't

640
00:28:36,422 --> 00:28:38,022
Speaker 2: even come into it. I am.

641
00:28:38,182 --> 00:28:41,902
Speaker 1: Vernon was saying to us on this topic that if

642
00:28:41,942 --> 00:28:45,782
Speaker 1: she dates a very tall guy, like someone over six',

643
00:28:45,942 --> 00:28:49,942
Speaker 1: one it's very uncle because she's is that?

644
00:28:50,022 --> 00:28:51,582
Speaker 3: True, yes she's a.

645
00:28:52,062 --> 00:28:57,422
Speaker 1: REGULAR i nearly said. Normal she's a thank, you which is.

646
00:28:57,502 --> 00:28:59,981
Speaker 2: The average heart of An australian. Woman see this is

647
00:29:00,022 --> 00:29:01,822
Speaker 2: you trying to be the common, Woman. Mayor it's one

648
00:29:01,862 --> 00:29:04,702
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five centimeters or five, four Which i'm

649
00:29:04,742 --> 00:29:06,981
Speaker 2: a basic, bitch simply. Not what we're going to do,

650
00:29:07,022 --> 00:29:10,262
Speaker 2: is after, this we're going to do An instagram. Story, yeah,

651
00:29:10,342 --> 00:29:11,981
Speaker 2: WELL i get out of tape measure and prove to

652
00:29:12,022 --> 00:29:12,422
Speaker 2: you That.

653
00:29:12,382 --> 00:29:14,941
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred and. Sixty BUT i want to

654
00:29:14,982 --> 00:29:17,902
Speaker 1: know why it's a betrayal of the.

655
00:29:17,982 --> 00:29:18,502
Speaker 5: Sisterhood.

656
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well we were talking about this out there because

657
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Speaker 6: another one of our colleagues is five foot, flat, yeah

658
00:29:24,302 --> 00:29:26,102
Speaker 6: and dates a man who's six foot, One and we,

659
00:29:26,142 --> 00:29:27,221
Speaker 6: said you're just not a girl's.

660
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Speaker 5: Girl you've stolen from the tall girl. Pool oh because is?

661
00:29:32,302 --> 00:29:35,862
Speaker 6: Smaller, yes, YES i, mean of course we could date

662
00:29:35,902 --> 00:29:38,382
Speaker 6: a shorter, man but generally they don't want to date

663
00:29:38,422 --> 00:29:40,662
Speaker 6: a taller, woman so the pool is very.

664
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Speaker 2: Small, ironically did you find that when you were dating

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Speaker 2: that there Was, Yeah.

666
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Speaker 6: LIKE i THINK i would have been open to dating

667
00:29:47,542 --> 00:29:49,302
Speaker 6: someone a little bit shorter than, me but there is

668
00:29:49,342 --> 00:29:51,502
Speaker 6: that thing of, oh is everyone staring at me even

669
00:29:51,542 --> 00:29:54,421
Speaker 6: more now because in COMPARISON i look so much. Taller

670
00:29:54,582 --> 00:29:56,822
Speaker 6: it's why When Nicole kivman And Tom cruise broke, up

671
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Speaker 6: she said that she could finally wear.

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Speaker 1: Heels, yeah but then she Married Keith, urban which makes no.

673
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Speaker 1: Sense she likes the short, KING i want to ask

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Speaker 1: if you were.

675
00:30:04,142 --> 00:30:07,902
Speaker 6: HEELS i do sometimes now As i've gotten. Older NOW i,

676
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Speaker 6: go you know, What everyone stares at, me comments on it,

677
00:30:10,222 --> 00:30:12,261
Speaker 6: anyway SO i might as well just go a little bit.

678
00:30:12,302 --> 00:30:15,182
Speaker 6: Further like to everyone who's down at about five, FOOT

679
00:30:15,262 --> 00:30:17,422
Speaker 6: i just look like a building, anyway so you might

680
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Speaker 6: as well add on.

681
00:30:18,102 --> 00:30:18,742
Speaker 3: A few extra.

682
00:30:18,862 --> 00:30:21,102
Speaker 5: Centimeters SO i just roll with it.

683
00:30:21,142 --> 00:30:23,382
Speaker 6: Now but even on my wedding, day which was ten

684
00:30:23,462 --> 00:30:25,701
Speaker 6: years ago, NOW i wore flats AND i was, like,

685
00:30:25,822 --> 00:30:28,062
Speaker 6: yes the dress is, long no one can even, see

686
00:30:28,102 --> 00:30:29,702
Speaker 6: So i'll just be as close to the ground AS

687
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Speaker 6: i possibly.

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Speaker 2: Can are there any other grievances you've got the? Microphone

689
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Speaker 2: are there any other grievances about how the world is?

690
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Speaker 2: Built that just Makes stacy's life?

691
00:30:36,942 --> 00:30:37,222
Speaker 3: Harder.

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00:30:37,302 --> 00:30:39,822
Speaker 6: Yes WHEN i have to hug any of, you you're

693
00:30:39,902 --> 00:30:42,862
Speaker 6: at my boo, pipe so to be, Polite i'll lean,

694
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Speaker 6: forward which then means my torso is about a meter

695
00:30:45,422 --> 00:30:48,022
Speaker 6: away from. You so it's just, awkward no matter what's

696
00:30:48,022 --> 00:30:48,741
Speaker 6: actually so that.

697
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Speaker 3: Is you, know it's very.

698
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Speaker 1: Hard i've got quite small. Feet why won't anyone think of?

699
00:30:53,902 --> 00:30:55,981
Speaker 2: Me how does that make your life? Harder go? On

700
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Speaker 2: try and think of one. Way your choes are actually

701
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Speaker 2: cheaper because you often get them from the kid. Section,

702
00:30:59,661 --> 00:31:00,822
Speaker 2: TRUE i don't.

703
00:31:00,862 --> 00:31:03,262
Speaker 1: Know sometimes MAYBE i topple over because they're.

704
00:31:06,222 --> 00:31:09,661
Speaker 6: Feet and also the hardest one of, all get out

705
00:31:09,661 --> 00:31:10,142
Speaker 6: you're violent.

706
00:31:10,182 --> 00:31:12,422
Speaker 5: AGAIN i never get called.

707
00:31:12,542 --> 00:31:13,782
Speaker 3: Cute yeah.

708
00:31:13,902 --> 00:31:21,382
Speaker 2: Cute, Yeah oh that's so. True ACTUALLY i think.

709
00:31:21,262 --> 00:31:23,622
Speaker 3: You're, Cute SO i win this. ARGUMENT i thank.

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00:31:23,661 --> 00:31:26,661
Speaker 2: YOU i think. YOU i reckon the world is harder

711
00:31:26,702 --> 00:31:27,262
Speaker 2: if you're really.

712
00:31:27,302 --> 00:31:29,862
Speaker 5: TALL i actually agree with. You a tall, WOMAN i

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Speaker 5: think very very.

714
00:31:31,782 --> 00:31:34,302
Speaker 6: True and you can never sneak out of a, party

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Speaker 6: WHICH i would, Hate thank.

716
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Speaker 3: God you can never smike.

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Speaker 1: Bomb not, tall you can't smoke.

718
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Speaker 2: Bomb you could hide Under stacy's, cloak and you.

719
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Speaker 3: Could have a C it's an outfit that a tall

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Speaker 3: woman could.

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Speaker 4: Totally after the, break we've got some recommendations for, you

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Speaker 4: including a documentary that will make you feel, smarter a

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Speaker 4: film with our favorite, daddy and your new favorite party

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Speaker 1: us and a big thank you to all our current.

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Speaker 1: Fun this is my best.

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Speaker 4: Recommendation It's, friday so we want to help set up

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Speaker 4: your weekend with the very best recommendations we.

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Speaker 3: Have, jesse why don't you go?

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Speaker 2: First all? Right my recommendation is a. DOCUMENTARY i think

736
00:32:37,382 --> 00:32:39,421
Speaker 2: it came out in Like april on THE, bbc but

737
00:32:39,462 --> 00:32:42,661
Speaker 2: it's just dropped In australia ON ABC I. View it

738
00:32:42,742 --> 00:32:46,222
Speaker 2: Is louis through The. Settlers it's CALLED i have seen

739
00:32:46,262 --> 00:32:49,622
Speaker 2: everyone of his. Documentaries i'm obsessed with his, work and

740
00:32:49,702 --> 00:32:53,062
Speaker 2: about fourteen years ago he did a documentary on Ultra,

741
00:32:53,182 --> 00:32:56,782
Speaker 2: zionists which explored a very specific group of religious nationalists

742
00:32:56,822 --> 00:33:00,862
Speaker 2: In israel who were infringing on international law by building

743
00:33:00,982 --> 00:33:02,461
Speaker 2: their homes In palestinian.

744
00:33:02,542 --> 00:33:08,421
Speaker 1: Territory, Right they've always been quite controversial Within israel and very, popular.

745
00:33:08,661 --> 00:33:12,181
Speaker 2: A lot of criticism and scene as very much a fringe.

746
00:33:12,182 --> 00:33:15,661
Speaker 2: Group he revisited this so because it was released earlier this.

747
00:33:15,742 --> 00:33:17,502
Speaker 2: YEAR i think he filmed it in twenty twenty, four

748
00:33:17,661 --> 00:33:22,502
Speaker 2: certainly since the war. Began so it tells the story

749
00:33:22,742 --> 00:33:27,582
Speaker 2: of these people who go Into palestinian communities who have, houses,

750
00:33:27,661 --> 00:33:31,822
Speaker 2: schools everything and force them, out knock down their, homes

751
00:33:31,862 --> 00:33:35,342
Speaker 2: destroy their water, supply and often it leads to. Violence

752
00:33:35,382 --> 00:33:38,741
Speaker 2: and what you see as well Is louis as a

753
00:33:38,742 --> 00:33:42,022
Speaker 2: White british man coming face to face with some members

754
00:33:42,062 --> 00:33:44,662
Speaker 2: of THE idf who were checking him at. Checkpoints there's

755
00:33:44,702 --> 00:33:48,941
Speaker 2: this really emotive scene of him with an Older palestinian

756
00:33:48,982 --> 00:33:50,822
Speaker 2: man and they kind of are walking around the city

757
00:33:50,822 --> 00:33:53,622
Speaker 2: and THERE'S i couldn't visualize the, checkpoints so to see

758
00:33:53,702 --> 00:33:56,701
Speaker 2: that was really. Insightful and then they get to a

759
00:33:56,742 --> 00:33:58,461
Speaker 2: point and it's Like louis can go this, way but

760
00:33:58,542 --> 00:34:02,462
Speaker 2: The palestinian man has to go a completely different way

761
00:34:02,502 --> 00:34:06,062
Speaker 2: and have all these papers checked and. Everything for, CONTEXT

762
00:34:06,142 --> 00:34:08,942
Speaker 2: i think this is. Important as you, Say, maya there Are,

763
00:34:09,062 --> 00:34:13,342
Speaker 2: israeli some are depicted in this documentary who actively protest these.

764
00:34:13,342 --> 00:34:16,142
Speaker 2: Settlements this is not Every. Israeli this is a very

765
00:34:16,182 --> 00:34:19,661
Speaker 2: specific group and it's been difficult to gauge. Precisely but

766
00:34:19,781 --> 00:34:24,062
Speaker 2: these settlements have been, unpopular but sentiment has certainly, changed

767
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:26,462
Speaker 2: and this is Why louis did. It because sentiment has

768
00:34:26,542 --> 00:34:29,502
Speaker 2: changed Since october. Seven there's a sense that Some israeli

769
00:34:29,542 --> 00:34:32,181
Speaker 2: see it as a security measure that's almost creating more

770
00:34:32,221 --> 00:34:35,781
Speaker 2: distance between them and The, palestinians but it is understood

771
00:34:36,102 --> 00:34:40,542
Speaker 2: internationally as a total infringement on human. RIGHTS i watched,

772
00:34:40,582 --> 00:34:42,301
Speaker 2: that and THEN i Watched No Other, land which is

773
00:34:42,342 --> 00:34:46,781
Speaker 2: The Academy award winning documentary About palestinians who go and

774
00:34:46,902 --> 00:34:50,702
Speaker 2: protest the creation of these. Settlements they tell a very similar.

775
00:34:50,741 --> 00:34:54,462
Speaker 2: STORY i also recommend. That so two brilliant, documentaries and

776
00:34:54,502 --> 00:34:58,062
Speaker 2: look like every, documentary these two documentaries they tell one.

777
00:34:58,102 --> 00:35:00,102
Speaker 2: STORY i think it's a, really really important. Story BUT

778
00:35:00,142 --> 00:35:02,622
Speaker 2: i know THAT i posted about This louis documentary of The,

779
00:35:02,622 --> 00:35:05,701
Speaker 2: weekend and there were some people saying there are documentaries

780
00:35:05,701 --> 00:35:08,542
Speaker 2: About october seven that you should, watch and SO i

781
00:35:08,582 --> 00:35:10,782
Speaker 2: know that there are lots bring this sort of subject,

782
00:35:10,822 --> 00:35:12,701
Speaker 2: matter AND i want to acknowledge. That BUT i just

783
00:35:12,701 --> 00:35:14,942
Speaker 2: think it's important to tell stories from lots of different,

784
00:35:14,982 --> 00:35:17,301
Speaker 2: perspectives and that's what these documentaries.

785
00:35:17,302 --> 00:35:20,301
Speaker 4: Offer mine is a movie that you need to go

786
00:35:20,342 --> 00:35:22,221
Speaker 4: and see at the cinema at the. Moment it is

787
00:35:22,261 --> 00:35:26,262
Speaker 4: a rom com and it is Called The. Materialists hey

788
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Speaker 4: are you?

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Speaker 1: Single i'm a. Matchmaker give me a call if.

790
00:35:29,462 --> 00:35:29,941
Speaker 2: You want to meet.

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Speaker 6: SOMEBODY i deserve someone who fulfills all of my, criteria.

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Speaker 4: Nothing over TWENTY.

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Speaker 3: PM i don't want someone who likes.

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Speaker 1: Cats i'm trying to. SETTLE i promise you're going to

795
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Speaker 1: marry the love of your. Life those Sweet how many

796
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Speaker 1: marriages are you responsible?

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Speaker 6: For?

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Speaker 4: Now?

799
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Speaker 1: Lucy if the girl asks for, us all drink? Water

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Speaker 1: fine with a salary over five hundred grand always missed you?

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Speaker 2: Deliver you're a.

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Speaker 3: Matchmaker do you want to drink sure?

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Speaker 4: Cocin?

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Speaker 6: Deer?

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Speaker 4: Oh The dakota John johnson pedro, Exactly it's just A canadian,

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Speaker 4: Director selene's song who kind of is, LIKE i think

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Speaker 4: one of the most interesting modern artists thinking.

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Speaker 3: About love and what love.

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Speaker 2: Is did you say past?

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Speaker 1: Yeah i've heard a lot about this. Movie what's?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah so it has lots of THINGS i.

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Speaker 4: Love for, instance it has a dating montage Where Dakota

815
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Speaker 4: DONE i love a dating. Montage it Has New York

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Speaker 4: and Gorgeous Tribeca japanese restaurants love, it and also a

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Speaker 4: love triangle Featuring Chris pine and as you Mentioned Pedro.

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Speaker 4: Pascal for, me it was kind of reminiscent of not

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Speaker 4: as good as but reminiscent OF i, think what is

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Speaker 4: the best rom com of all? Time you ready for

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Speaker 4: reminiscent of. That and it also has a lot to

827
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Speaker 4: do with pride and, prejudice And selen's song has talked

828
00:37:05,502 --> 00:37:08,502
Speaker 4: about that, too because it's really exploring issues around love and.

829
00:37:08,582 --> 00:37:11,221
Speaker 4: Money she basically has to choose no spoilers, here but

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Speaker 4: she has to choose between a rich man and a poor.

831
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Speaker 4: Man and it gave you a lot to talk about

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Speaker 4: with your friends, afterwards about those decisions that you make

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Speaker 4: in your twenties and thirties around who AM i going

834
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Speaker 4: to be with and how important is? Money And i've

835
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Speaker 4: heard good.

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Speaker 2: Things i've seen a lot of think, pieces which always

837
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Speaker 2: makes me want to go.

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Speaker 3: In it's very.

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Speaker 4: Polarizing you may hate, it but you will have plenty

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Speaker 4: to talk about afterwards and in the, meantime you've spent

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Speaker 4: two hours With Chris, Pine Pedro pascal and Some New

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Speaker 3: Estate there's worse, things.

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Speaker 2: Maya how about? You what's your? Recommendation mine is a.

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Speaker 1: SNACK a bit of a disclaimer before we. Start you

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Speaker 1: may have heard On parenting Out, loud which you two

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Speaker 1: have been co hosting and which has been a huge.

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Speaker 1: Hit one of the sponsors on that show Is. Ninja

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Speaker 1: they do food preparation. Appliances, right this is not. Sponsored

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Speaker 1: ANYWAY i can't remember HOW i found this. OUT i

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Speaker 1: CAN i make it into a frozen? DRINK i need

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Speaker 1: to eat more. Protein i've got to be more micro

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Speaker 1: efficient and try to get more protein into more of my.

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Speaker 1: Food Pretty much ALL i do is try and shoehorn

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Speaker 1: protein into my. Meal so what IF i turned this

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Speaker 1: and it's. Amazing does it taste? Good, yeah BECAUSE i

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Speaker 1: don't drink like big milky protein.

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Speaker 3: Drinks is the cleanup a bit of a?

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Speaker 1: Hassle, no it's just in this little thing that you

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Speaker 1: just rinse out and put. On.

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Speaker 3: OH i love.

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Speaker 2: That before we, GO i have a best to throw

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Speaker 2: worst but sometimes something happens THAT i think is worth.

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Speaker 2: Highlighting luna turned to this week a little angel turned

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Speaker 2: To maya And mum came over that. Night we all

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Speaker 2: had a, champagne Not. Luna she didn't have a. Champagne

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Speaker 2: she has a. Cake and then we went to the.

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Speaker 2: Zoo do you go to the zoom, Much?

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Speaker 5: Amelia?

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Speaker 4: YEAH i love.

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Speaker 3: It what's in his favorite animal?

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Speaker 2: There surprisingly the DINGOES i wouldn't. Have very charismatic they,

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Speaker 2: are and there are a lot like, dogs which we,

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Speaker 2: have SO i was, like, REALLY i would.

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Speaker 1: THINK i also had a lot about the.

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Speaker 2: Snakes the snakes and the koalas were kind of a.

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Speaker 1: Really Big kola's a bit, sleepy a bit. Boring, yeah

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Speaker 1: like the snake's a.

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Speaker 2: Lot, yeah she does fantastic.

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Speaker 4: IMPERSONATION i feel like what you are now as a toddler.

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Speaker 3: Parent two year.

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Speaker 2: Olds get a bad rap and a lot of the

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Speaker 2: TIME i won't defend, them but they are bloody. Cute

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Speaker 2: they are really, cute the language and. Everything it's such a,

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Speaker 2: fun fun. Stage and we're having to. Celebrate we're having

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Speaker 2: like A jewish naming, ceremony which is going to be really.

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Speaker 2: Cute we get to choose A jewish name for her

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Speaker 2: because Obviously lucaside the family Is jewish and we want

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Speaker 2: to raise her that. Way and as with Every jewish,

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Speaker 2: celebration there's a bluey.

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Speaker 1: Cake Definitely. Kate yeah, yeah cake is an early night.

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Speaker 2: Roll claire also bought her And Emma wiggle costume that's too.

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Speaker 2: Cute so now she is So Barack obama, uniform, yes isn't.

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Speaker 1: It i'm feeling a little bit competitive With claire because

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Speaker 1: she loves This Emma wiggle costume so, much SO i

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Speaker 1: just keep buying her, clothes none of which she wants to.

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Speaker 2: Wear she just wants to. Wear she just wants to

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Speaker 2: wear That Emma. Wiggle and what we do is when it's,

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Speaker 2: dirty family sits down and watches a washing machine because

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Speaker 2: she wants to Watch emma wiggle go round and round.

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Speaker 2: Around so it's an. Activity it's a really fun special time.

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Speaker 2: Too it's just such a fun. Time but, Yeah luna's

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Speaker 2: little Birthday. July that is all we have time for.

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Speaker 2: TODAY a big thank you to all of you the

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Speaker 2: out louders for listening to today's. Show we will be

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Speaker 2: back in your ears next. Week we have been loving

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Speaker 2: all your feedback about parenting Out.

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Speaker 3: Loud you've been so.

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Speaker 2: Nice the next episode drops This saturday with, Myself amelia

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Speaker 2: And stacey and we talk about sleep. Separation we have

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Speaker 2: a debate about the hopeless, dads and we discuss why

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Speaker 2: parents are saying good night to The Bedtime. Story if

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Speaker 2: you want to listen to, that you can find it

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Speaker 2: in The This Glorious mess. Feed you can go and

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Speaker 2: listen to that from tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Morning oh we've got to read you, Out read us.

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Speaker 1: OUT a big thank you to our Team Grief Grief,

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Speaker 1: ruth who is our group executive, Producer Ruth, devine she's

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Speaker 1: Called our audio producer Is Leah porge's our video, Producer

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Speaker 1: i'm struggling, Today yeah.

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Speaker 3: Please our video producer.

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Speaker 4: Is Josh, green and our junior content producers Are cocoa And.

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Speaker 4: Tessa thanks for the water.

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Speaker 2: Bottle bye out loud. As if you're not ready to say,

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Speaker 2: goodbye we thought we would leave you with a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a conversation we had on yesterday's subscriber episode

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Speaker 2: with a few of our. Dilemmas if you like the

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Speaker 2: dilemma in today's, episode we often Our thursday episodes are

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Speaker 2: full of, very very thorny. Dilemmas as, always a link

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Speaker 2: will be in the show. Notes shout out to Any

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Speaker 2: mum and mea subscribers. Listening if you love the show

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