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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello future Builders, and

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Speaker 2: welcome to She Built That, the podcast where we discover

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Speaker 2: incredible women who didn't just dream be they built their futures.

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Speaker 2: Every episode we hang ten with young women who stack

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Speaker 2: their talents, were the wipeouts and kept paddling until they

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Speaker 2: made a splash on their own terms. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Annalise Todd, Mama MIA's lifestyle writer and chief administrator of

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Speaker 2: the Dreaming Department.

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Speaker 1: And before we.

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Speaker 2: Catch the swell of today's story, can you guess which

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Speaker 2: brilliant builder is starring in this episode? Make no mistake,

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Speaker 2: this is a competitive quiz, so grown ups, get your

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Speaker 1: Clue number one.

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Speaker 2: This surf star started catching waves at around age nine

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Speaker 2: on Australia's famous Gold Coast and quickly fell for the

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Speaker 2: thrill of the ocean. Clue number two. She's also a

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Speaker 2: musician and artist, and one of the bravest things she's

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Speaker 2: at age fifteen and fly to the other side of

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Speaker 1: Clue number three.

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Speaker 2: She's impressed surfing scouts, inspired other young athletes, and has

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Speaker 1: Can you guess who it is? How did you go?

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Speaker 2: If you guess Charlie Hately, you're riding the perfect wave.

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Speaker 2: Today we're talking about determined surfer and rising star Charlie Hately,

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Speaker 2: who's building her legacy one wave, one wipeout, and one

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Speaker 2: because after the break we're paddling out with Charlie to

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Speaker 2: discuss how brave girls surf into their dreams. The ocean

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Speaker 2: is glassy before dawn, its waves rising and falling like

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Speaker 2: calm breaths. But on the sand, young Charlie Hately's pulse

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Speaker 1: The lineup looks daunting, the sky just a whisper of pink.

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Speaker 2: This is that moment every surfer faces when both nerves

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Speaker 2: That's Charlie, aged nine, all knees and elbows and dreams.

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Speaker 2: She was watching surfers slice along the water, wanting burning

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Speaker 2: She begged for lessons, convinced her parents, and somewhere out there,

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Speaker 2: Charlie's mum is still ankle deep in sand, holding her

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Speaker 2: Charlie was different. While other kids built sand castles and

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Speaker 1: I asked Charlie how she prepares for these big events.

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Speaker 3: Preparing for competition, There's a lot involved. It depends where

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Speaker 2: Still, every metal was just a milestone on her way

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually had a major setback. I injured my

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Speaker 2: Unable to get in the water, Charlie embraced her creative

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Speaker 2: This injury setback became a blessing in disguise because Charlie

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Speaker 3: Learning about intentions for me, was very important to know

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Speaker 2: Today, Charlie Hately is building more than her own story.

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Speaker 2: Next time you watch the waves or base something that

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Speaker 2: She built her way, wipe out by wipeout until she

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Speaker 1: To fall a lot before you fly.

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Speaker 2: Head to the water, your skateboard, or even your own

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Speaker 2: know is to start. Great surfers and great builders are

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Speaker 2: made by showing up wave after wave. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 2: to She Built That. Remember, incredible girls don't just dream,

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Speaker 2: they build. She built That was written by Tom Lyon.

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Speaker 2: He also did the sound design. Our executive producer is

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Speaker 2: Courtney Ammenhauser and I'm Analyse Todd. We'll see you next

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Speaker 2: week as we fly into the.

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Speaker 1: Stratosphere to tell a story of a woman whose journey

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Speaker 1: launched her, quite literally, out of this world.

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Speaker 2: See then,