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Speaker 1: On Makeup is My Therapy. I'm in love, I'm obsessed,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to you Beauty, the podcast for your Face.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kelly McCarran, and this is the formula.

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Speaker 2: Every week, I chat to all sorts of celebs, experts,

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Speaker 2: and the biggest names in beauty to dissect what's happening

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Speaker 2: in the industry right now, and we take a sneak

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Speaker 2: and why.

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Speaker 1: Fun Fun, Fun, Fun found fun. Can't say that I often.

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Speaker 2: Have a boring day on the job. Now, if you've

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Speaker 2: been on social media lately, you've probably noticed something pretty refreshing.

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Speaker 2: Celebrities are finally getting real about their cosmetic procedures.

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Speaker 1: Gone to the days of I just drink lots of

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Speaker 2: Oil all over my face, and hello to honest conversations

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Speaker 2: about tweakments, injectables and everything in between. Today, I'm joined

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Speaker 2: by the incredible doctor Naomi, a leading cosmetic physician who's

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Speaker 2: been at the forefront of this transparency movement.

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Speaker 1: She's not only helping our clients.

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Speaker 2: Achieve their esthetic goals, but also encouraging honest conversations about

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Speaker 2: what's actually possible with.

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Speaker 1: Modern cosmetic medicine.

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Speaker 2: We're diving deep into why celebs are suddenly spilling the

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Speaker 2: tea on their procedures and what's driving this shift towards

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Speaker 2: Doctor Naomi, welcome to the formula.

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Speaker 1: You have such beautiful skilled But how.

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Speaker 2: So in case anyone was living under a rock and

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Speaker 2: for some reason not following you on social media, because

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Speaker 2: you're one of the funniest people that you know, what

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Speaker 2: and posting silliness.

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Speaker 3: Oh but you'll also.

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Speaker 2: Post other stuff as well, but like just keeping the

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Speaker 2: But that was just seat Tangent already warned you that

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Speaker 1: So can you start by giving us a bit of a.

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Speaker 2: Background on who you are and how you started everything?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I started as a cosmetic doctor in nineteen

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Speaker 1: What is a cosmetic doctor?

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Speaker 3: So I'm a non surgical cosmetic doctor. So basically do

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Speaker 3: everything in aesthetics that's non surgical.

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Speaker 2: You're not doing breasts, oh no boob jobs, but you're

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Speaker 2: doing tweakments as I call exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yep. So started my own clinic in two thousand and two.

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Speaker 1: Is that the mans like? Is that what the man say?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's so cool old yeah wow. Well it's

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Speaker 2: And then you ended up deciding to launch into your

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Speaker 3: Yes, I also became a cosmetic chemist and have my

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Speaker 1: That's very cool. And what year was that?

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Speaker 3: So we launched the brand four years ago. We just

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Speaker 2: I remember coming to one of the launch events at

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Speaker 2: Because you're wearing this really cool like pink track set ah,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, like, thank you

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Speaker 1: Did you get your round me from?

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Speaker 2: And you're like tom Ford and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, listen,

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Speaker 2: As someone who works with high profile cis, have you

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Speaker 2: It's also then just not secretive. Oh what did you

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Speaker 2: So it just shows like it's one area that if

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Speaker 3: So that's horrible for those people because people love to

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Speaker 2: Tie that's just my face and what shifts have you

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Speaker 2: seen in patient expectations over the past five to ten years,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and for anyone playing along at home and you

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Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, I never ever believed before and now

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Speaker 3: You can't. And the other thing is the celebrity stuff.

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Speaker 2: No, it's lighting, isn't it. And it's everything and retouching

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Speaker 2: I guess. And there's so much misinformation floating around about

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Speaker 2: the biggest myths that you're constantly like, Oh, oh, there's

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Speaker 1: When someone says that a device will lift, I haven't

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Speaker 3: Really, Okay, that's really common. Short threads lifting. I think

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Speaker 3: But do they lift? No, they're my two biggest triggers.

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Speaker 3: A lot of bruising, but it's so nice for skin.

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Speaker 3: They're great, but just not if.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for our listeners who are curious about any cosmetic

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Speaker 1: I would say, don't look on groupon if someone if

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Speaker 2: Someone that was like you've got a discount on someone

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Speaker 3: I can't even work that one out. Using influences for

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Speaker 2: And I think also looking at people that have been

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Speaker 2: it is always helpful word of mouth.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so ask your friends. Ask in the you Beauty

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Speaker 2: There'll be someone that lives in your area that has

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Speaker 2: I think is really important when it comes to your face.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and someone wielding a needle nearrit agreed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we'll link that in the show notes if

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Speaker 1: So let's talk ingredients.

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Speaker 2: What are the key skincare actives that are trending right

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Speaker 2: now and what actually live up to the hype. And

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Speaker 2: I also want to chat about exosomes when it comes

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, well that's sort of that was one of

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Speaker 3: the ones I was going to say. So exosomes and

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Speaker 3: probably PDRN that's another one.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain what both of them are?

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Speaker 2: Because I message you about the exosomes because I think

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Speaker 2: their version of exosomes, and so far in Australia it's

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Speaker 2: Do they somehow extract the salmon's jizz to then use

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and what about like, what are you most

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Speaker 1: If you had to pick one out of the show.

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Speaker 3: Oh both, don't make me choose.

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Speaker 2: Issue, maybe twenty twenty seven. Maybe it's not that far

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Speaker 2: looking out quickly this year, it's true. So let's move

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Speaker 2: on to your routine and regime because that's what people

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Speaker 1: Okay, So lovely and fresh.

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Speaker 2: I've thought you just guinea pick things I try, But

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't do that one.

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Speaker 2: Many needles are involved, how many I will put my

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's a little bit painful, It's okay. It's more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and how long do you have to do

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Speaker 3: So my downtime for that one was about seven days.

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Speaker 3: But then my skin's been really sensitive since I did that,

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Speaker 3: just used niacinamide so my let it be, and a

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Speaker 1: That's it, okay, But usually your skin.

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Speaker 3: Care usually I'm much more fussy and have a big routine.

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Speaker 3: use a niacinamide let it be. I'll use Vitamin Amen

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Speaker 3: And then twice a week I do an overnight mask

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Speaker 2: I've tried your overnight mask. It's incredible, thank you. It's

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Speaker 2: One night Stand and cheeky yes. And then I just

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Speaker 1: So you're good and diligent with that.

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Speaker 3: I do the best I can. I've been better with

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Speaker 1: That's not two. It's not like a twenty one step skincare.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I couldn't do the.

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Speaker 2: Thing that isn't yours or if you've ever wanted something,

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Speaker 2: you've made it.

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Speaker 3: There's two things which I want to make something better than.

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Speaker 3: One is this is terrible blissed decks. I love blissed ecks.

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Speaker 3: I can't make something better than that. Yes, terrible, Well,

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Speaker 3: it's just product, it's amazing. And then the other thing

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Speaker 3: long term goal though.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, head, you've made one of the green This discoveries

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Speaker 1: Or a miss? Never again never.

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Speaker 2: We always finish every single episode with a hit or miss.

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Speaker 2: So what is one skincare technique or ingredient that you

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Speaker 3: Hmmm. It depends. Everyone's different, So I think if it

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Speaker 3: and it'll reduce your risk of having further skin cancers. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a very cool tip.

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Speaker 2: And what on the flip side, what is something like

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Speaker 3: Oh please, no, no, no, stop the milana tan, stop

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fact that it's.

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Speaker 1: Back people showing off their tan line.

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Speaker 1: Did we learn nothing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really sad. Stop it. You'll regret it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look good as well.

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Speaker 3: It's just why.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could not agree more like it's just so pointless. Well,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. For coming on You Beauty. We

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Speaker 2: really appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Your wise words.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having.

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Speaker 1: Me Kelly anytime.

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