WEBVTT - Andy Lee On Luck, Privacy, Family & Hamish [re-release] 0:00:10.365 --> 0:00:15.005 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mea acknowledges 0:00:15.045 --> 0:00:17.685 the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 0:00:17.765 --> 0:00:21.525 is recorded on Hello friends, well to get you prepped 0:00:21.605 --> 0:00:25.125 for my takeover. This is a soft launch. Really, I'm 0:00:25.205 --> 0:00:28.085 dropping into your feed to share one of my favorite 0:00:28.125 --> 0:00:30.925 interviews from the series of No Filter I did last year. 0:00:31.885 --> 0:00:35.885 Andy Lee, of course needs no introduction. You know him 0:00:35.925 --> 0:00:40.525 as a beloved comedian, a host, a writer. But in 0:00:40.565 --> 0:00:45.245 this episode of No Filter, Andy opens up about himself, 0:00:45.725 --> 0:00:49.245 which is something that he doesn't really often do. He 0:00:49.325 --> 0:00:51.565 shares how important it is to tell your friends how 0:00:51.605 --> 0:00:55.805 you feel, how he and Hamish Blake haven't always vibed 0:00:55.845 --> 0:01:01.605 with certain projects, and all the nosy people on Instagram 0:01:01.925 --> 0:01:04.885 who by they turned out to be right. I hope 0:01:04.925 --> 0:01:09.725 you enjoy it. Oh my goodness, this is so exciting. 0:01:10.165 --> 0:01:12.725 Andy Lee, Welcome to No Filter. 0:01:12.925 --> 0:01:14.285 Thank you. Nice to be welcomed. 0:01:14.365 --> 0:01:16.525 It is nice to be welcomed. Imagine if I was like, 0:01:16.525 --> 0:01:20.245 what are you doing, which is actually what I did 0:01:20.245 --> 0:01:23.005 say when I walked in, because you got here before me. 0:01:23.205 --> 0:01:26.525 You know, I'm punctual, though you're more than punctual. You 0:01:26.605 --> 0:01:28.485 were unfashionably early. 0:01:28.685 --> 0:01:31.085 It was actually annoying, sit in the car kind of guy. 0:01:31.325 --> 0:01:33.805 I would prefer to be right on time. Five minutes 0:01:33.845 --> 0:01:36.645 early is and more annoying than five minutes late. Often. 0:01:37.605 --> 0:01:43.205 Yes, people aren't prepared for you. That's very unlike most 0:01:43.205 --> 0:01:47.605 people in showbiz. Actually, because you're very now this. 0:01:47.645 --> 0:01:49.965 Is mindful of others, well thoughtful. 0:01:50.005 --> 0:01:53.245 He's a goodful guy. I've never encountered it before. But 0:01:53.925 --> 0:01:59.085 because you're very left brain and right brain so creative, 0:01:59.605 --> 0:02:01.885 which doesn't always sit with order. 0:02:02.045 --> 0:02:06.485 We organized, Yeah, Hamish, and I'd argue he's more creative 0:02:06.525 --> 0:02:06.805 than I. 0:02:07.325 --> 0:02:09.805 Sorry, who's HAMI good of mine? 0:02:10.885 --> 0:02:15.285 He doesn't have the organization right, but hilariously, it'll text 0:02:15.285 --> 0:02:17.565 me and go, I'm going to be either five minutes 0:02:17.565 --> 0:02:21.805 early or five minutes later, and you're. 0:02:21.765 --> 0:02:24.605 So well organized you would know which of those he's 0:02:24.645 --> 0:02:29.885 going to be. Okay, Speaking of Hamish, it is almost 0:02:30.085 --> 0:02:36.325 impossible to talk about Andy Lee without talking about Hamish Blake. 0:02:37.245 --> 0:02:41.285 I can say no more more iconic duo because it 0:02:41.445 --> 0:02:47.605 really is. But it's a very unusual coupling. A because 0:02:47.645 --> 0:02:53.445 it seems so harmonious and organic, seems well, and also 0:02:53.485 --> 0:02:56.845 because it's lasted longer. It's been more enduring than any 0:02:56.885 --> 0:02:59.205 of your more romantic relationships, and. 0:02:59.165 --> 0:03:07.885 His is exactly and we sleep together less than the other. Yeah, 0:03:08.045 --> 0:03:10.565 I mean I love it. It's never bothered me that 0:03:10.725 --> 0:03:14.565 for a long time I never had a surname. Actually 0:03:14.685 --> 0:03:18.045 I was kind of Hamish's surname and Andy. Yeah, and 0:03:18.085 --> 0:03:20.445 when we both walk down the street, we both get 0:03:20.805 --> 0:03:23.445 he Hamish, Hey, Andy the other person's name. 0:03:23.365 --> 0:03:28.485 But always I get where's Hughesy? And I broke up 0:03:28.525 --> 0:03:32.645 our iconic duo to go to Italy three years ago, 0:03:32.845 --> 0:03:36.445 four years ago. Yes, so it's very much cemented in 0:03:37.205 --> 0:03:43.645 public recognition of who you are. That's also lovely. Tell 0:03:43.685 --> 0:03:46.925 me it's downsides, Oh, if there are any. 0:03:47.645 --> 0:03:50.685 I don't actually feel the downsides at all. Maybe there's 0:03:50.725 --> 0:03:53.245 moments where you'd like to have your own identity, but 0:03:53.325 --> 0:03:56.485 I love what we do. I don't think I would 0:03:56.525 --> 0:03:59.245 have been great. It's just a pop singer. I prefer 0:03:59.325 --> 0:04:04.725 to be in a band, you know. And that's with everything, Yes, 0:04:04.805 --> 0:04:07.365 so much. Prefer doing shows, people my happy places, doing 0:04:07.405 --> 0:04:11.565 stuff with ham love, sharing the excitement and the failure. 0:04:11.605 --> 0:04:13.605 In fact, sharing failures to some of the funniest things 0:04:13.605 --> 0:04:15.605 you can do. But when you fail by yourself. It 0:04:15.605 --> 0:04:16.645 could be very, very low. 0:04:17.485 --> 0:04:20.285 So what when you say sharing failure. 0:04:21.005 --> 0:04:23.605 Got our first TV I got asked after six weeks. 0:04:23.365 --> 0:04:23.965 When was that? 0:04:24.045 --> 0:04:25.165 Two thousand and four? 0:04:25.245 --> 0:04:25.765 What was it? 0:04:26.725 --> 0:04:32.805 Show? Channel seven? Chris Lily was doing Mister g Really, 0:04:33.125 --> 0:04:38.005 Andrew Keith was on it as a Holy comedian improviser. Yeah. 0:04:38.485 --> 0:04:41.965 Someone doesn't like my individual work. It's only me that 0:04:42.005 --> 0:04:44.925 they didn't like. When someone doesn't like our work, I 0:04:44.925 --> 0:04:46.485 can look across at Hame and go, well, I find 0:04:46.485 --> 0:04:48.645 you the funniest person in the world. That person must 0:04:48.645 --> 0:04:51.645 be wrong with their opinion. It's it's an easy, nice 0:04:51.685 --> 0:04:54.605 little shell to be sitting inside. I don't mind it 0:04:54.645 --> 0:04:55.005 at all. 0:04:55.165 --> 0:05:00.085 It's lovely. Also because within the partnership, both of you 0:05:00.245 --> 0:05:05.405 have explored different partners Yes, but you've explored different aspects 0:05:05.445 --> 0:05:10.445 of yourself and kind of I'm going to say, increasingly 0:05:10.925 --> 0:05:17.445 you are showing more sides to yourself I think, which 0:05:17.565 --> 0:05:21.405 always existed. But I'm kind of reminded of this because 0:05:21.485 --> 0:05:24.485 I remember years ago Hughsey showing me a video that 0:05:24.565 --> 0:05:26.405 you had made, and it was for one of your 0:05:26.525 --> 0:05:30.165 other great loves, the cart and Footy Club. Yes, And 0:05:31.125 --> 0:05:34.885 I went, oh, who directed that? And he said, Andy Lee, 0:05:35.645 --> 0:05:39.005 and it was amazing. When you hold a certain perception 0:05:39.125 --> 0:05:42.925 in the public mind and it's with great affection, but 0:05:43.005 --> 0:05:46.965 it also can be quite limiting. So it's just like, oh, 0:05:47.005 --> 0:05:48.725 you're just a funny guy. 0:05:49.525 --> 0:05:51.245 Or I'm just the guy laughs at the funny guy. 0:05:51.645 --> 0:05:54.565 Yeah, well there's that as well. We'll get onto that 0:05:54.605 --> 0:06:00.005 because that is a very interesting kind of narrative to negotiate. 0:06:00.205 --> 0:06:01.085 I imagine. 0:06:01.205 --> 0:06:03.165 Well, I mean, like you say negotiate, it sounds like 0:06:03.205 --> 0:06:04.645 you have to do something about it. But if you're 0:06:04.645 --> 0:06:07.605 really comfortable just I mean, I think people naturally felt 0:06:07.605 --> 0:06:09.605 that with any comic duo, that has to be a 0:06:09.645 --> 0:06:11.765 straight guy and a funny guy. Yes, Hamish and I 0:06:11.805 --> 0:06:14.965 never felt that. I think Hamish is funnier if you 0:06:15.005 --> 0:06:16.605 wanted to try and do the mass of it. But 0:06:16.765 --> 0:06:19.165 that's never been Our goal is to try and make 0:06:19.245 --> 0:06:21.045 him laugh, and he tries to make me laugh, and 0:06:21.085 --> 0:06:25.005 so I think people would try to slot you into 0:06:25.085 --> 0:06:28.365 those certain roles. Yeah, to say it never bothered me. 0:06:28.685 --> 0:06:30.685 There would have been times and I'm like, oh, I 0:06:30.685 --> 0:06:33.165 want to be the funny guy, but that's probably left 0:06:33.205 --> 0:06:34.245 a long long time ago. 0:06:34.645 --> 0:06:37.045 Well, you know, the thing is it kind of reminds 0:06:37.085 --> 0:06:40.805 me of in every group of girls, ye friendship group, 0:06:41.605 --> 0:06:47.005 there's always an impossibly hot girl. So individually all those 0:06:47.005 --> 0:06:49.205 girls in the group might be hot, but you know 0:06:49.245 --> 0:06:51.885 that there's always one. Yes, you kind of love it 0:06:51.925 --> 0:06:54.805 as well, because who doesn't love to have a hot friend. 0:06:55.325 --> 0:06:59.285 But you're hot friend, You're the hot guy. Your friend 0:06:59.405 --> 0:07:02.805 is ludicrously hot, and so it does. It kind of 0:07:02.805 --> 0:07:05.845 throws a shadow. And I think because of the work 0:07:05.885 --> 0:07:10.485 that you do, it requires and amount of ego to 0:07:10.525 --> 0:07:14.605 be able to do that work, but not so much 0:07:14.765 --> 0:07:17.885 ego that it destroys the work. 0:07:18.485 --> 0:07:21.045 Yes, no, I hear what you're saying there. But I 0:07:21.085 --> 0:07:24.645 think what's lucky for both hamishon for me and our 0:07:24.725 --> 0:07:28.925 relationship is the ego is not huge of either of us, 0:07:29.005 --> 0:07:32.325 I don't think, and that probably what makes it work. 0:07:33.845 --> 0:07:36.285 Hamish is so laid back, he just wants to do 0:07:36.365 --> 0:07:37.005 fun things. 0:07:37.245 --> 0:07:38.285 He's very lovable. 0:07:38.685 --> 0:07:42.245 Yeah, And so I found the right partner. And I 0:07:42.325 --> 0:07:44.045 mean neither of us were even going to go down 0:07:44.085 --> 0:07:45.805 this path until we met the UNI and we were 0:07:45.805 --> 0:07:48.125 making each other's laugh and we said we should be 0:07:48.205 --> 0:07:50.845 doing this in front of more people. So just in 0:07:50.925 --> 0:07:53.525 meeting him changed the whole trajectory of my life, but 0:07:53.565 --> 0:07:55.845 also what I was interested in, what I ended up doing, 0:07:56.405 --> 0:07:59.365 even though I did have some interesting performance and entertainment 0:08:00.005 --> 0:08:00.685 I was never going to do. 0:08:00.845 --> 0:08:03.125 You were studying Commerce. 0:08:02.485 --> 0:08:06.165 Arts commercience and we met at UNI, which is so 0:08:06.765 --> 0:08:08.685 strange because neither of us went very often. 0:08:09.805 --> 0:08:12.805 It's kind of like a lunar eclipse, right, But can 0:08:12.885 --> 0:08:13.885 you remember when you met? 0:08:14.125 --> 0:08:17.085 Yeah? It was really odd because the year before in 0:08:17.125 --> 0:08:19.365 a Quantity of Methods class, which is so boring. 0:08:19.525 --> 0:08:23.485 What is that? Yeah, I can't I'm already asleep. 0:08:23.605 --> 0:08:27.485 Yes, I hadn't gone for the entire semester and realized 0:08:27.485 --> 0:08:29.965 I was going to fail. And you got one percent 0:08:30.245 --> 0:08:33.645 hitch point per tutorial you attended. So I went to 0:08:33.685 --> 0:08:36.605 the tenth of ten tutorials. 0:08:36.125 --> 0:08:37.565 To claw back the ten percent. 0:08:37.725 --> 0:08:40.845 Well call back, the one was one per attendance. 0:08:41.085 --> 0:08:41.405 Okay. 0:08:41.965 --> 0:08:43.925 I got in there and the guy's doing the roll 0:08:44.005 --> 0:08:46.885 call and he goes past Andrew Lee and I say, no, no, 0:08:46.925 --> 0:08:49.125 I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, and he said right 0:08:49.205 --> 0:08:51.045 for the first time, and he was a bit shirty 0:08:51.125 --> 0:08:52.885 at me. I said, yes, but can I quickly make 0:08:52.925 --> 0:08:55.485 a speech to the class? And he was kind of 0:08:55.525 --> 0:08:57.285 a laid back tutor, and he said, yeah, get up. 0:08:57.965 --> 0:09:00.285 So I got up, and I said, I haven't come 0:09:00.325 --> 0:09:03.205 for this entire semester for the good of everyone here. 0:09:03.325 --> 0:09:07.605 I'm destructive, I am distracting. I try to be funny, 0:09:08.005 --> 0:09:11.725 often not so Selplessly, I decided not to attend, even 0:09:11.725 --> 0:09:13.845 though I wanted to, but I knew that you'd all 0:09:13.845 --> 0:09:16.165 do better. And for that reason, I feel like I 0:09:16.205 --> 0:09:20.445 deserved ten percent, not just the one. And this tutor 0:09:20.445 --> 0:09:23.605 found it funny gave me ten percent. I got fifty 0:09:23.685 --> 0:09:27.125 one for quantitative methods. So I passed through and the 0:09:27.165 --> 0:09:28.925 guy as I was walking out of that class country 0:09:28.965 --> 0:09:31.045 and said that was really funny. I said thank you, 0:09:31.085 --> 0:09:32.645 and he said, you remind me of a friend of 0:09:32.685 --> 0:09:36.925 mine called Hamish. You should meet him. Oh And I said, oh, okay, 0:09:37.245 --> 0:09:39.125 where is he? Guse he doesn't live here. He's coming 0:09:39.165 --> 0:09:42.365 next year. I was like, all right, odd man, I'll 0:09:42.405 --> 0:09:45.205 see you later. And then March that following year, he 0:09:45.245 --> 0:09:47.245 walked across the quadrangle and said, this is the guy 0:09:47.325 --> 0:09:51.325 was telling you about. Oh my god, So you're in 0:09:51.365 --> 0:09:54.565 a very strange situation where Pete match made us and 0:09:54.605 --> 0:09:59.445 they got cut out of the deal. Yeah, right, and 0:09:59.565 --> 0:10:02.325 off we went to the pub. So yeah, it was 0:10:02.365 --> 0:10:05.565 only in that moment where naturally I liked being a buffoon, 0:10:05.645 --> 0:10:07.765 but finding someone that wanted to do it with me 0:10:08.205 --> 0:10:11.245 and was just you know, exciting. 0:10:11.645 --> 0:10:14.045 And when you say I wanted to do it with you, 0:10:14.845 --> 0:10:16.005 what did you start doing? 0:10:16.245 --> 0:10:18.645 Haimer took a lot of convincing. Ham was very studious. 0:10:18.645 --> 0:10:21.645 He was doing advanced mathematics, advanced physics, like book smart stuff. 0:10:21.685 --> 0:10:24.565 And you, I know, it's a wow moment because I know, 0:10:24.645 --> 0:10:26.245 because you look at him and he's not street smart. 0:10:26.245 --> 0:10:28.445 It's always like I always say, he's the dumbest smart 0:10:28.485 --> 0:10:30.885 guy I know. So good were hunting type stuff. I 0:10:30.885 --> 0:10:32.325 went to a few of his lectures and they've got 0:10:32.365 --> 0:10:34.245 these stupid equations on the door. 0:10:34.445 --> 0:10:36.765 Not even any numbers, just letters. 0:10:36.725 --> 0:10:40.445 Letters and strokes and so on. And because I'd shifted, 0:10:40.485 --> 0:10:42.805 I was doing kind of product and brand management and 0:10:42.845 --> 0:10:44.925 consumer behavior and stuff, and you didn't really have to 0:10:45.005 --> 0:10:47.965 rock up. You could still pass. And Hamish was getting 0:10:48.405 --> 0:10:50.725 taken away by me. His parents and grandparents didn't like 0:10:50.805 --> 0:10:51.405 me because. 0:10:51.205 --> 0:10:53.285 They're like, you're bad, you were the bad. 0:10:53.645 --> 0:10:56.765 Bad influence. He took some convincing because he was really studious. 0:10:56.765 --> 0:10:58.565 He wanted to do was doing computer science and he 0:10:58.565 --> 0:11:00.125 wanted to go to that path. And I was like, well, 0:11:00.125 --> 0:11:01.565 this is really fun what you're doing this. 0:11:01.685 --> 0:11:03.885 And what did you think this was going to be. 0:11:04.045 --> 0:11:06.485 Well, we were on the radio first at cin FM 0:11:06.525 --> 0:11:08.965 Student Youth Network. We pretended we were enrolled in r 0:11:09.045 --> 0:11:11.085 MIT when we're from Melbourne Union. We went out out 0:11:11.125 --> 0:11:13.285 the road and jumped on their airways and then I 0:11:13.325 --> 0:11:15.085 got a connection for us to have our show on 0:11:15.165 --> 0:11:17.925 Channel thirty one Community TV. And it was after five 0:11:18.165 --> 0:11:21.325 half hour episodes of Channel thirty one, we got offered 0:11:21.365 --> 0:11:24.645 a Channel seven show. It felt like Wayne's Well, I'm 0:11:24.685 --> 0:11:26.725 not sure if people know that the reference, but we 0:11:26.885 --> 0:11:28.925 just came from a basement show and suddenly we were 0:11:28.925 --> 0:11:32.365 on primetime in Channel seven and they thought we looked 0:11:32.405 --> 0:11:35.205 too young, so they put us in suits and it 0:11:35.285 --> 0:11:37.605 lasted six weeks and then we'll go on. 0:11:37.885 --> 0:11:41.885 But it did last longer than the five episodes on 0:11:41.965 --> 0:11:46.605 Channel three. So you were doing my favorite concept in showbiz, 0:11:46.885 --> 0:11:51.365 which is failing upwards, just just just but that was 0:11:51.445 --> 0:11:53.965 probably the last failure. 0:11:54.925 --> 0:11:56.885 I mean, oh, I've had other thing. I mean, I 0:11:56.925 --> 0:11:59.165 did a show called The Cube that she didn't catch 0:11:59.205 --> 0:12:01.325 five on Channel ten even though I loved it. It 0:12:01.365 --> 0:12:03.965 depends what you measure failure on. I mean, I don't 0:12:03.965 --> 0:12:07.045 know aligne failure with people not watching it or not 0:12:07.125 --> 0:12:08.805 making money on it or all that stuff. 0:12:09.405 --> 0:12:12.525 What do you consider failure just not enjoying yourself? 0:12:12.645 --> 0:12:16.365 Yeah, it's been a while. I mean I was certainly 0:12:16.405 --> 0:12:18.365 more ambitious back in the day, but now it's just 0:12:18.405 --> 0:12:21.845 whatever project I want to do, it just has to 0:12:21.845 --> 0:12:25.205 be fun while doing it, because it's in the lap 0:12:25.245 --> 0:12:27.285 of the gods as to whether things work out or not. 0:12:27.325 --> 0:12:31.365 You know, there's so many ways of project can be 0:12:31.485 --> 0:12:34.805 ruined or not getting or not spark. If you've put 0:12:34.805 --> 0:12:37.245 something out that you're proud of and you enjoy doing it, 0:12:37.325 --> 0:12:41.165 success doesn't matter what happens after that. And that's a 0:12:41.245 --> 0:12:42.885 hand on how this is not just something I can 0:12:42.925 --> 0:12:45.885 read from my Kumbe book exactly how I feel about it. 0:12:46.205 --> 0:12:48.525 I wouldn't have felt about it like that ten to 0:12:48.605 --> 0:12:51.845 fifteen years ago. I was more worried about we need 0:12:51.845 --> 0:12:54.125 to get through this, to do this, to do this. Hamish, 0:12:54.165 --> 0:12:56.885 on the other hand, he just wants to have fun. Yes, 0:12:57.245 --> 0:13:01.565 Like we've been given huge opportunities and Hay would just go, 0:13:02.445 --> 0:13:03.805 do you really want to do that? I'm sure how 0:13:03.885 --> 0:13:05.445 much fun I would be? And he bring me back 0:13:05.485 --> 0:13:07.645 down to earth and go I go, yeah, actually, you're right. 0:13:08.325 --> 0:13:12.005 And at one point when went from the Tonight Show 0:13:12.085 --> 0:13:17.765 to Primetime O'Brien that controversial, controversial period people, and this 0:13:17.885 --> 0:13:21.005 is Tonight's show was of America with that fascinating David 0:13:21.085 --> 0:13:22.845 Letterman and Colbert and all that stuff. But yeah, it 0:13:22.885 --> 0:13:26.605 was Conan and Jay Leno and they asked Hamish Knight 0:13:26.685 --> 0:13:30.325 to be the first segment of episode one of Jay 0:13:30.405 --> 0:13:34.085 Leno's Primetime Tonight, Oh my goodness, and we said no, 0:13:35.045 --> 0:13:36.565 because you don't see we don't want two idiots, and 0:13:36.565 --> 0:13:38.565 we thought it'd be too much pressure. And we ended 0:13:38.605 --> 0:13:40.885 up being the first segment of the third episode, right, 0:13:41.205 --> 0:13:43.165 and fourteen and a half million people watch it in 0:13:43.405 --> 0:13:45.325 the States. We're on with Robin Williams. 0:13:45.405 --> 0:13:46.645 Oh my goodness. 0:13:46.725 --> 0:13:49.925 Yes, And so Robin Williams knocked on our door, were 0:13:49.925 --> 0:13:53.605 sitting our chain room and said he I'm Robin. And 0:13:53.645 --> 0:13:56.685 that was really special. And then straight after it they 0:13:56.685 --> 0:13:58.685 were like, we loved it. We want you to stay here, 0:13:59.005 --> 0:14:01.565 we want you to do this, and we we were saying, oh, well, 0:14:01.565 --> 0:14:04.205 we've got a radio show, and they said, we'll move 0:14:04.245 --> 0:14:06.125 the radio show. You can do the radio show from 0:14:06.325 --> 0:14:08.365 la and we just want to go home. We've done 0:14:08.365 --> 0:14:09.205 the caravan trip. 0:14:09.605 --> 0:14:10.045 Yeah. 0:14:10.125 --> 0:14:13.045 Yeah, So we said we won't do a segment next week, 0:14:13.245 --> 0:14:15.445 we'll do one the week after for you, but we 0:14:15.485 --> 0:14:17.565 just need to fly back. We flew back. We end 0:14:17.685 --> 0:14:19.445 up doing another segment for the Letto Show, which went 0:14:19.445 --> 0:14:23.565 really well, and they said we need an answer by 0:14:23.565 --> 0:14:25.125 the end of that week. They need an answer to it. 0:14:25.165 --> 0:14:28.245 So it was that real American as you would imagine it. 0:14:28.245 --> 0:14:30.205 It was absolutely you imagine it. As soon as we 0:14:30.285 --> 0:14:33.045 walked off stage, producers were sitting there they'd seen the 0:14:33.045 --> 0:14:35.925 reaction from the audience on that first segment and just 0:14:36.045 --> 0:14:39.125 took us and walked us straight out the back and said, hey, Jay, 0:14:39.165 --> 0:14:40.205 want to speak to at the end of it. That 0:14:40.285 --> 0:14:42.165 was fantastic. What can we talk about next? You know, 0:14:42.205 --> 0:14:46.445 like it was just immediate. You do ghost if you 0:14:46.445 --> 0:14:50.965 remember that basically a primary school yard trick of just 0:14:51.005 --> 0:14:52.725 walking behind someone close to. 0:14:52.685 --> 0:14:54.445 Them until to see how long you can do it 0:14:54.485 --> 0:14:55.045 until that night. 0:14:55.165 --> 0:14:58.405 This is before TikTok and before you know Instagram, So 0:14:59.125 --> 0:15:01.805 all these silly little ideas we had. They seemed more novel, 0:15:01.845 --> 0:15:04.005 I reckon than these days. We see probably a hundred 0:15:04.045 --> 0:15:06.445 of them every minute of the TikTok. I was driving 0:15:06.485 --> 0:15:08.805 down to Kill the road and I rang Haimer said, Oh, 0:15:08.965 --> 0:15:11.325 and Ego and me, We're like, this could be great, 0:15:11.565 --> 0:15:13.965 this could be America. I said, I rank. Haym said, 0:15:13.965 --> 0:15:16.845 what are you thinking? And he said I think we'd 0:15:16.845 --> 0:15:20.525 only do it to be more famous. And he said 0:15:20.525 --> 0:15:22.965 do you want that? And I was like, but maybe. 0:15:23.965 --> 0:15:24.765 I was like, I don't know. 0:15:25.045 --> 0:15:26.605 That's hard to answer, isn't it. 0:15:26.645 --> 0:15:29.925 And he said I don't And I just love making 0:15:29.965 --> 0:15:31.565 the stuff here with our friends. We're still making our 0:15:31.605 --> 0:15:35.525 stuff with our mates. UNI. Yeah, andrek would be more fun. 0:15:35.565 --> 0:15:36.645 I was like, no, I don't think it would be 0:15:36.645 --> 0:15:38.285 more fun. He's like, I guess that's our answer. 0:15:38.565 --> 0:15:42.845 Oh my goodness. So who told your manager? 0:15:44.925 --> 0:15:48.525 There's been many times our manager has gone, you're fucking 0:15:48.605 --> 0:15:52.285 kidding me? Yeah, yeah, but you're sure, boys are You're sure? 0:15:52.325 --> 0:15:55.645 But that's you know. We left Drive Radio at its peak, 0:15:55.725 --> 0:15:58.845 and we stopped Gap Year at its peak, and we 0:15:58.925 --> 0:16:00.645 only get two seasons of True Story, and that was 0:16:00.685 --> 0:16:03.045 going great and it was because we just want to 0:16:03.045 --> 0:16:07.085 try more and more things. And again Haim would go, hey, 0:16:07.485 --> 0:16:09.125 this becoming more run of the mill. We need to 0:16:09.525 --> 0:16:11.045 ourselves and I was a bit the same. 0:16:11.365 --> 0:16:15.245 Well, there is, you're both kind of adrenaline junkies in 0:16:15.285 --> 0:16:18.765 the sense of adrenaline being generated from ideas as well. 0:16:18.925 --> 0:16:23.165 Doesn't have to have that physical overture tour agree. So 0:16:23.405 --> 0:16:27.445 along the way you've had this core group of friends, 0:16:28.045 --> 0:16:33.605 collabory drawers and that seems to have been a constant. 0:16:34.045 --> 0:16:38.045 So it's like you've both got much loved families, but 0:16:38.125 --> 0:16:42.205 you've built this new family as well within How does 0:16:42.245 --> 0:16:45.605 that work for people who can't or for someone like 0:16:45.685 --> 0:16:48.965 you who is constantly you know, you've got the drive 0:16:49.045 --> 0:16:51.845 in you, you've got the engine going yep, how do 0:16:51.925 --> 0:16:52.805 you just build that? 0:16:53.325 --> 0:16:55.885 It was great because we had a company called Radio Karate, 0:16:55.925 --> 0:16:57.645 which is the name of our Channel thirty one show, 0:16:57.685 --> 0:17:00.165 and it was Hamish and I and Ryan and Tim, 0:17:00.245 --> 0:17:02.485 which are two mates from Hamish's school. 0:17:02.965 --> 0:17:06.445 And so Ryan Shelton I know, right, yeah, and. 0:17:06.565 --> 0:17:09.085 He was schoolmates with him, and Tim was also schoolmate 0:17:09.125 --> 0:17:12.525 with year run it kind of be outsider, ah, and 0:17:12.605 --> 0:17:16.045 so it was great that we said, these guys can 0:17:16.085 --> 0:17:18.445 film with us. They're passionate about it. The best thing 0:17:18.485 --> 0:17:23.125 about failing is that you can just reassess and start again, and. 0:17:23.205 --> 0:17:24.245 You've got nothing to lose. 0:17:24.325 --> 0:17:27.685 Yes, And so we got a good bounce on the 0:17:27.765 --> 0:17:31.845 failure because the press decided to even though they were 0:17:31.845 --> 0:17:34.005 writing about how bad the show was a week before, 0:17:34.205 --> 0:17:37.445 it gets asked and they flip it and they go, oh, oh, 0:17:37.485 --> 0:17:39.685 these twenty one year olds. How dare they put two 0:17:39.685 --> 0:17:41.765 twenty one year olds on prime time and only. 0:17:41.565 --> 0:17:43.325 Give them six weeks not to support them. 0:17:43.405 --> 0:17:45.725 Channel seven's you know the worst, all that stuff. So 0:17:45.765 --> 0:17:48.965 we get this halo from having a pretty poor show. 0:17:49.045 --> 0:17:52.285 The show had its faults, and what's great about that 0:17:52.405 --> 0:17:54.365 is if they just let it run for ten weeks 0:17:55.125 --> 0:17:56.445 and the season finished. 0:17:56.165 --> 0:18:00.325 Would have come to a natural, natural remarkable exactly. Yeah. 0:18:00.405 --> 0:18:03.885 Right, So we're kind of grateful. I'm very grateful that 0:18:03.965 --> 0:18:07.045 seven acts us because you suddenly can use that momentum 0:18:07.045 --> 0:18:09.405 and spirit into something else. Now we were doing it 0:18:09.405 --> 0:18:11.325 was called the ham Machinery Show, but it wasn't ours. 0:18:11.325 --> 0:18:13.245 It wasn't our ideas. Some of our ideas, but we 0:18:13.485 --> 0:18:15.245 need to do a lot of other people's ideas and 0:18:15.245 --> 0:18:17.445 all that kind of stuff exactly the show that we 0:18:17.485 --> 0:18:20.285 would put together. And that is not a great feeling. 0:18:20.485 --> 0:18:22.805 That is not a great feeling because, as my mother sees, 0:18:24.085 --> 0:18:28.045 the camel is a horse designed by a committee. Yes, 0:18:28.445 --> 0:18:31.445 you know, and sometimes you're watching shows and you're like 0:18:31.525 --> 0:18:34.805 you can feel or watching a movie you can feel 0:18:34.845 --> 0:18:36.405 the executives involved. 0:18:36.925 --> 0:18:40.245 Yeah, and we didn't know better. But what feels awful 0:18:41.165 --> 0:18:44.885 is someone saying, hey, your show's shit, and you're like, well, 0:18:44.885 --> 0:18:47.725 it's not really. It wasn't really our idea, like realize 0:18:47.765 --> 0:18:50.685 very quickly, Hey, your name's on it, you're on the billboard, 0:18:50.845 --> 0:18:55.485 it's yours. So we incorporated our own company then there 0:18:55.605 --> 0:18:56.845 and said would only. 0:18:56.605 --> 0:18:59.965 Make it's incredible, We'll only make our own stuff. Who 0:19:00.045 --> 0:19:00.605 thought of that? 0:19:00.885 --> 0:19:02.285 Oh, I think it was a bit of a collective. 0:19:02.365 --> 0:19:04.965 I don't think it was Andy Lay. I don't think 0:19:04.965 --> 0:19:09.845 it was. There's no way Hamish's going, well, let's corporate 0:19:09.885 --> 0:19:12.045 a company, because he doesn't think like that. 0:19:12.085 --> 0:19:14.885 Does he Hame definitely participates in all that stuff. 0:19:15.005 --> 0:19:17.045 Oh no, I know, but I would think in the 0:19:17.125 --> 0:19:22.125 leading of that that that's more. You, that's more would. 0:19:21.925 --> 0:19:25.605 Say that he like I do love that side of things. 0:19:25.805 --> 0:19:28.445 You know, we even talk about that as far as 0:19:28.445 --> 0:19:31.525 even ideas go. Hame would have brilliant ideas, but I'd 0:19:31.565 --> 0:19:34.565 know how to package them. Yeah right, yeah, and so 0:19:34.925 --> 0:19:37.005 I'd hear them and go, oh my god, this is great. 0:19:37.045 --> 0:19:37.965 This is how we serve it. 0:19:38.445 --> 0:19:38.845 Yeah. 0:19:38.885 --> 0:19:41.085 So like he'd have all the ingredients ready to go 0:19:41.245 --> 0:19:43.925 and I could just plait it up. But he always 0:19:43.965 --> 0:19:47.205 felt that my strength was knowing exactly how people want 0:19:47.205 --> 0:19:49.485 to eat this, like knowing exactly how people want to 0:19:49.485 --> 0:19:54.165 hear it exactly. So that's what made the partnership so 0:19:54.325 --> 0:19:57.285 fun and exciting because the parts that maybe doesn't come 0:19:57.325 --> 0:19:59.245 as naturally to him, even though he's very good at them, 0:19:59.645 --> 0:20:02.165 the parts don't come as naturally to me, even though 0:20:02.165 --> 0:20:04.165 I can play in that area complimentary. 0:20:05.205 --> 0:20:09.245 Because I think that's a secret of any relationship, romant 0:20:09.485 --> 0:20:11.925 or otherwise, is that people are always like it got 0:20:11.925 --> 0:20:14.445 to find someone who's got you know, the same interest 0:20:14.485 --> 0:20:18.445 as you know, No, what's the point of that. Actually 0:20:19.165 --> 0:20:23.525 find someone who's got complimentary aspects of their personality. 0:20:24.165 --> 0:20:26.285 But you know you're Cal Pilkington. You might have heard 0:20:26.285 --> 0:20:28.885 of him. Oh I love Carl from Ricky Jay's podcast, 0:20:29.925 --> 0:20:31.845 I'm going to paraphrase, but he said something about a 0:20:31.925 --> 0:20:35.605 relationship which I just it absolutely sat with me. And 0:20:35.645 --> 0:20:38.005 he was talking about romantic relationships, but he said, I 0:20:38.045 --> 0:20:41.405 think the best relationship is when you're walking exactly your 0:20:41.445 --> 0:20:44.325 path and they're walking exactly their path, and you look 0:20:44.365 --> 0:20:46.885 over and you're still side by side. Yeah. Right, And 0:20:46.925 --> 0:20:49.045 it's all words that effect in his acts. 0:20:49.125 --> 0:20:49.925 Can you do the accent? 0:20:53.605 --> 0:20:57.605 So I feel that with Haim. I feel that all 0:20:57.645 --> 0:21:00.365 the time. Is it like we're both doing exactly what 0:21:00.365 --> 0:21:01.925 we want to do and then you turn around and 0:21:01.925 --> 0:21:05.125 you're like, oh, you're still here. Great. And if I'm 0:21:05.165 --> 0:21:06.525 doing exactly what I want to do and I'm in 0:21:06.605 --> 0:21:08.645 trouble or i'msure about it on a personal level, I 0:21:08.645 --> 0:21:10.205 turn around and go, hey, can you help me with this? 0:21:10.325 --> 0:21:12.485 He's like, of course, oh, can I get your thoughts? 0:21:13.125 --> 0:21:16.405 And that's on our individual pursuits and then together we 0:21:16.405 --> 0:21:17.005 did them as well. 0:21:17.925 --> 0:21:20.965 Because you were mentioning Tim and Ryan and you know, 0:21:21.045 --> 0:21:23.965 Ryan did this incredible podcast which I'm sure you've heard. 0:21:24.845 --> 0:21:28.645 The imperfect for anyone who's ever had a friend that 0:21:28.685 --> 0:21:31.045 they've loved and been really tired too. He talks about 0:21:32.365 --> 0:21:35.845 very generously and beautifully and respectfully about when you came 0:21:35.885 --> 0:21:41.565 on the scene, but that he was displaced and how 0:21:41.685 --> 0:21:45.965 he then when he saw the magic of you guys, 0:21:46.205 --> 0:21:50.485 and he was like, it was undeniably magic. The jealousy 0:21:50.605 --> 0:21:53.005 that he felt and the envy, and that for so 0:21:53.205 --> 0:21:58.565 many years he couldn't even feel the joy because he 0:21:58.645 --> 0:22:01.645 was so consumed by himself and then ended up having 0:22:01.685 --> 0:22:05.485 to talk to Hamish about it. How did it feel 0:22:05.525 --> 0:22:09.965 for you? Were you aware of any of that or not? 0:22:10.005 --> 0:22:10.245 Really? 0:22:10.285 --> 0:22:11.965 Always are amazing like that, aren't they? 0:22:12.205 --> 0:22:16.045 Well, we're very busy, Like, let's get that straight. We're 0:22:16.085 --> 0:22:18.885 doing Drive. We're doing five days a week of drive 0:22:19.005 --> 0:22:23.005 radio where Haim and I were getting early and national. 0:22:23.125 --> 0:22:25.645 How many ideas can be put in this and a 0:22:25.645 --> 0:22:28.125 lot of ideas involve traveling out of the studio and 0:22:28.205 --> 0:22:30.645 consume our whole lives and some like that. And a 0:22:30.645 --> 0:22:33.205 period of that time, ry I was off on Nova 0:22:33.245 --> 0:22:34.325 I think against. 0:22:33.925 --> 0:22:36.405 It right, doing drama. 0:22:36.645 --> 0:22:39.845 So yeah, so there were elements of it all. I 0:22:39.885 --> 0:22:42.045 was sad that he felt that way, Like I like, 0:22:42.085 --> 0:22:42.685 when did. 0:22:42.485 --> 0:22:46.285 You know when you heard that you never see a 0:22:46.325 --> 0:22:49.525 woman would have been onto that straight away because I 0:22:49.565 --> 0:22:52.965 think we understand you know, we live in different for me. 0:22:52.925 --> 0:22:55.445 Though, because I'm not childhood buddies at Ryan. 0:22:56.445 --> 0:22:58.845 No, No, I wouldn't tell. 0:22:58.765 --> 0:23:00.765 We're close friends. But it all started to a business 0:23:00.805 --> 0:23:04.405 relationship or a comedy fun relationship. So I'm not picking 0:23:04.445 --> 0:23:08.085 up on nuanced things. And our relationship didn't change. 0:23:08.445 --> 0:23:11.285 No, And he never had an issue with you. It 0:23:11.405 --> 0:23:15.165 wasn't an issue with you. He loves you. The problem 0:23:15.245 --> 0:23:18.405 was he also loves Hamish and Hamish's got a new 0:23:18.405 --> 0:23:19.325 love who's Andy. 0:23:19.525 --> 0:23:22.325 Yes, I think it'd be peculiar for me to be 0:23:22.365 --> 0:23:25.125 able to take up on that. I mean, my friends 0:23:25.445 --> 0:23:27.765 didn't like Hamish either because they were protective of their 0:23:27.805 --> 0:23:29.765 friendship with me, and they're like, hey, who's this other 0:23:29.805 --> 0:23:32.165 guy coming along? Think they started and I hate Hamish 0:23:32.165 --> 0:23:35.205 club for a while. They hate T shirts. 0:23:36.085 --> 0:23:39.005 Oh that would be great, So that's that was you 0:23:39.005 --> 0:23:40.245 should have worn that to that. 0:23:42.125 --> 0:23:44.765 So I get the natural feeling that we're all protective 0:23:44.765 --> 0:23:48.325 about people, people that were around, and we feel like 0:23:48.485 --> 0:23:50.845 we shouldn't be. And then you realize when you grow 0:23:50.925 --> 0:23:52.645 up and have family and kids, you just forget about 0:23:52.645 --> 0:23:56.525 all your friends and anyways. But during twenty year old, 0:23:56.565 --> 0:23:59.205 your friendship group is your family. Yeah, in fact, your 0:23:59.205 --> 0:24:03.685 family's probably annoying. You really are strong, so I could 0:24:03.725 --> 0:24:05.685 see how that would be challenging. 0:24:05.805 --> 0:24:08.725 But also I love the raw honesty of it, because 0:24:09.605 --> 0:24:11.445 going back to the discussion we had about you need 0:24:11.485 --> 0:24:13.365 a certain amount of ego to do what you do, 0:24:13.885 --> 0:24:16.645 those feelings will live in that same area. And so 0:24:16.765 --> 0:24:19.365 for him to say that, as himself a very accomplished 0:24:19.405 --> 0:24:23.605 performer and ideas guy and Ryder and whatever, for him 0:24:23.645 --> 0:24:26.605 to say it, it just resonated in a just very 0:24:26.725 --> 0:24:29.165 human manner, and I loved it, and it kind of 0:24:29.165 --> 0:24:34.205 showed the umbrella what you've built, you guys together that 0:24:34.285 --> 0:24:36.285 he felt that he could say that, and he could 0:24:36.325 --> 0:24:38.125 say it publicly, and he had to say it to 0:24:38.205 --> 0:24:39.525 advance the relationship. 0:24:39.685 --> 0:24:42.645 He rang me before it, and he felt that he 0:24:42.805 --> 0:24:45.365 wanted to say it out loud, and obviously it had 0:24:45.405 --> 0:24:48.165 played in his mind for a long time. And so 0:24:48.525 --> 0:24:51.845 whatever Ryan needed to do, you know, as a friend, 0:24:52.285 --> 0:24:55.085 whatever he needed to do to try and resolve that, 0:24:56.445 --> 0:24:58.845 super supportive of it, because no one wants to know you. 0:24:58.845 --> 0:24:59.725 Don't want to live with that. 0:25:00.125 --> 0:25:04.685 It's super hard to go. I didn't, you know, I 0:25:04.685 --> 0:25:06.725 can't remember the exactly the words he said, but like 0:25:06.885 --> 0:25:09.365 to be super hard to go. I don't want you 0:25:09.405 --> 0:25:11.885 to succeed. I'm having trouble with you. My friend's succeeding. 0:25:11.965 --> 0:25:15.045 I mean that's because Ry is such a lovely person, 0:25:15.125 --> 0:25:20.685 so a thing a battle, and he would have regretted about. 0:25:20.485 --> 0:25:26.165 It still to come. I ask Andy how it feels 0:25:26.245 --> 0:25:28.925 to be the butt of jokes, like when people say 0:25:29.365 --> 0:25:33.805 he's less funny than Hamish, which people love to do. 0:25:34.085 --> 0:25:36.885 I think it would be more hurtful if I felt 0:25:36.965 --> 0:25:38.165 like it was true. 0:25:38.445 --> 0:25:41.485 And does he want a wedding and a baby and 0:25:41.565 --> 0:25:47.685 all those things we're all supposed to want stay with us, 0:25:50.005 --> 0:25:53.685 you know when and you've said you've never really had 0:25:53.685 --> 0:25:56.445 those feelings towards Hamish because quite frankly, it's hard to 0:25:56.445 --> 0:26:01.805 imagine who could. But I'm struck by this narrative, which 0:26:01.885 --> 0:26:05.605 is partly humorous but also is a bit snarky towards 0:26:05.645 --> 0:26:09.245 you from not badly, but you know you said before 0:26:09.565 --> 0:26:11.605 you know that Hamish is the guy, and you're the 0:26:11.685 --> 0:26:13.805 less funny guy, and you might have been the more 0:26:13.845 --> 0:26:19.605 funny guy. And the logis last year when Pang was hosting, 0:26:19.605 --> 0:26:21.565 and they made a joke from the start. 0:26:21.925 --> 0:26:24.845 Both Hamish and Andy are here tonight. Hamish won the 0:26:24.845 --> 0:26:27.125 Gold Logi last year for the second time and he's 0:26:27.165 --> 0:26:35.125 nominated again this year, and Andy his mates with Hamish. 0:26:35.245 --> 0:26:38.205 I'm just like, uh, it kind of feels like a 0:26:38.325 --> 0:26:42.325 joke that's sort of run its course. Do other people 0:26:42.405 --> 0:26:43.765 care more about that than you do? 0:26:44.725 --> 0:26:46.725 Oh? I don't know what other people think that. I 0:26:46.725 --> 0:26:47.645 don't care about it at all. 0:26:47.765 --> 0:26:50.245 Well, I was sitting a table of people that kind 0:26:50.285 --> 0:26:54.405 of went, oh. 0:26:52.885 --> 0:26:55.645 I think it would be more hurtful if I felt 0:26:55.765 --> 0:27:02.605 like it was true. I mean, arrogance here we go, 0:27:03.445 --> 0:27:06.285 I shit there and go. I mean I make the 0:27:06.325 --> 0:27:08.925 same jokes. I think I make a joke. Believe you 0:27:09.005 --> 0:27:09.245 do it. 0:27:09.525 --> 0:27:11.005 I hear you do it on the one hundred, And 0:27:11.245 --> 0:27:14.605 it's just like sometimes if that got me on a 0:27:14.645 --> 0:27:17.245 bad day, yeah, I'd be like, oh. 0:27:17.925 --> 0:27:21.685 Yeah, No, I'm really aware of my skill set and 0:27:21.845 --> 0:27:24.605 very comfortable with how it's it, so it's still fine. 0:27:24.885 --> 0:27:28.845 Maybe it does change when you have individual success, you know, yes, 0:27:29.565 --> 0:27:32.805 with my kids books or the hundred or my work 0:27:32.845 --> 0:27:35.565 on this train open all these things. If I had 0:27:36.045 --> 0:27:40.725 just done Hamish and Andy and then then you never 0:27:40.925 --> 0:27:43.485 worked for me again, You're right, and I wanted to 0:27:43.565 --> 0:27:45.285 keep a sying it. You know, some people go off 0:27:45.285 --> 0:27:48.885 and they're quite comfortable in that space. I think that 0:27:48.925 --> 0:27:51.165 would feel different. That would be tough. 0:27:51.485 --> 0:27:54.365 It's funny you mentioned your kid's books because they are 0:27:54.565 --> 0:27:59.725 such a phenomenon and in fact, a very affirming phenomenon 0:27:59.805 --> 0:28:02.965 of you and your talents. There's a series do not 0:28:03.045 --> 0:28:05.685 Open this book that came out just in time for 0:28:05.845 --> 0:28:10.645 my youngest to just love it, of Love Love, and 0:28:10.685 --> 0:28:13.725 now there's a whole series of them, do not open 0:28:13.725 --> 0:28:16.085 this book ever. I told you, do not open this 0:28:16.165 --> 0:28:23.885 fucking book. That's one for grown ups. Anyway, When you're 0:28:23.925 --> 0:28:26.685 selling that book in Australia and there's so many celebrities 0:28:26.685 --> 0:28:30.565 who have done kids books, it's no surprise. In Australia 0:28:31.565 --> 0:28:34.285 people could have been buying the books because you're Andy Lee, 0:28:34.645 --> 0:28:38.405 and that would be great. That's fair enough. But then 0:28:38.485 --> 0:28:40.445 they released the books globally. 0:28:41.405 --> 0:28:45.325 How many countries we're in thirty five languages, okay, so 0:28:45.365 --> 0:28:47.685 that's obviously a lot more countries, okay. 0:28:48.765 --> 0:28:50.925 And how many books have you sold Andy Lee to 0:28:50.965 --> 0:28:53.205 people who do not know who Andy Lee is. 0:28:53.965 --> 0:28:57.165 Well, we've sold over three million around the world. But 0:28:57.525 --> 0:29:00.525 holy moll, I know which way you're heading with that, 0:29:00.605 --> 0:29:03.325 and I totally agree. I actually had a meeting about 0:29:03.325 --> 0:29:06.605 this morning about another part of this project and with 0:29:06.725 --> 0:29:10.605 the books and amplifying it the books, I fell into 0:29:10.645 --> 0:29:12.125 it and again this is luck. 0:29:12.645 --> 0:29:13.885 Was it for your nephew? Yeah? 0:29:13.885 --> 0:29:17.045 I wrote one book on a plane forty minutes for 0:29:17.165 --> 0:29:19.285 my nephew for his birthday. And my best mate from 0:29:19.365 --> 0:29:22.125 high school Hawks, he's a book publisher and they make 0:29:22.165 --> 0:29:23.965 test books up all the time, so he was going 0:29:24.005 --> 0:29:25.605 to make one test book for me. I was going 0:29:25.645 --> 0:29:27.565 to give it to my nephew for his first birthday. 0:29:28.125 --> 0:29:31.245 Hawks argue with me to publish them, and I said, no, no, 0:29:31.645 --> 0:29:34.485 it's a present, not doing it. And it was three 0:29:34.525 --> 0:29:36.565 months of back and forth and I said, okay, I'll 0:29:36.645 --> 0:29:39.925 check with my sister because it was for her, and 0:29:39.965 --> 0:29:42.685 so I said, age your mind if we published these books. 0:29:42.805 --> 0:29:44.405 Hawgs has been on my back and she said, oh, 0:29:44.445 --> 0:29:46.325 it's a beautiful book. I'd love it to be out there. 0:29:46.365 --> 0:29:48.085 And I said, look, proceeds can go to George, which 0:29:48.085 --> 0:29:50.765 is my nephe At the time, we had to change 0:29:50.765 --> 0:29:51.725 the deal a bit cake. 0:29:51.685 --> 0:29:56.805 Co Wow King George. 0:29:58.005 --> 0:30:01.005 So they've got a little school fun for all my 0:30:01.085 --> 0:30:05.205 nephews and nieces. But yeah, so lovely. I was super 0:30:05.285 --> 0:30:08.565 chuffed with how it went overseas because exactly what you said. 0:30:09.605 --> 0:30:11.605 I thought, well, I'm going to sell this, but do 0:30:11.645 --> 0:30:13.405 people like the book or is it just because Andy 0:30:13.485 --> 0:30:16.445 Lee from or Andy from Hamish Andy it's attached to 0:30:16.485 --> 0:30:20.045 this and then to see them travel and when people 0:30:20.085 --> 0:30:23.405 have no idea who I am, and in Rome last 0:30:23.485 --> 0:30:24.965 year doing a book signing. 0:30:24.925 --> 0:30:26.885 They think you're just a book author. 0:30:27.245 --> 0:30:31.685 Yeah, it's just really strange and great and you go, okay, 0:30:31.685 --> 0:30:35.685 there's something here and the idea. So absolutely I was 0:30:35.765 --> 0:30:39.485 tough with that. I'm really proud of that, and it 0:30:39.525 --> 0:30:41.325 gave it far more substance for sure. 0:30:42.005 --> 0:30:43.965 Tell me about the conversation you had to have with 0:30:44.045 --> 0:30:47.765 your sister when you had to say George was going 0:30:47.845 --> 0:30:51.205 to get the royalties? Yes, what number sales were you 0:30:51.285 --> 0:30:53.365 in where you went? This number is actually getting a 0:30:53.365 --> 0:30:54.725 bit too much for little George. 0:30:55.525 --> 0:30:59.365 Oh, we sold hundreds of thousand years. But my sister's 0:30:59.525 --> 0:31:02.525 just this is the harder part. My sister's a writer, 0:31:02.645 --> 0:31:07.645 and she's a kid's book writer, no young she writes 0:31:07.685 --> 0:31:08.285 young novels. 0:31:08.365 --> 0:31:12.325 Thats why I year from twelve on with Ye Yes. 0:31:12.325 --> 0:31:14.965 And she's got some amazing brands starring All of Black 0:31:15.045 --> 0:31:16.925 was one of hers. She was the writer from Zach 0:31:17.005 --> 0:31:18.485 Powell Books and it. 0:31:18.445 --> 0:31:21.805 Goes Yes, another bigger hit in our family, Zach Powell. 0:31:21.885 --> 0:31:25.005 Yes, and she's got Girl Geeks another one at the moment, 0:31:25.045 --> 0:31:28.125 which is girls and technology and science and that stuff. 0:31:28.405 --> 0:31:31.165 So she's done a great and amazing work in the 0:31:31.205 --> 0:31:33.885 space and that definitely was a worry for me to 0:31:33.925 --> 0:31:38.645 go al. You're so talented. People should look up a 0:31:38.645 --> 0:31:41.965 books because they're so great. Thankfully it wasn't a head 0:31:41.965 --> 0:31:44.805 to head. There's a different category, yeah, right, but you know, 0:31:44.885 --> 0:31:47.645 we're going to book awards together and my sister's there 0:31:47.645 --> 0:31:49.325 and I go with her. Was great to a friend around. 0:31:49.405 --> 0:31:52.565 But because my sister's just so lovely and so with 0:31:52.605 --> 0:31:56.725 my brother. Yeah, there's been nothing but support, which is just. 0:31:56.845 --> 0:32:01.165 Because you know, that's interesting because sometimes it's hard within 0:32:01.205 --> 0:32:07.045 a family when the spotlight is shone on one particular member. 0:32:07.565 --> 0:32:11.845 And your parents both of her I've met beautiful Margaret 0:32:11.885 --> 0:32:15.885 and Michael. They seem to navigate that really beautifully, like 0:32:15.965 --> 0:32:20.125 they turn up at your shows. The first time I 0:32:20.165 --> 0:32:21.925 ever met you, I think you were with your dad 0:32:23.285 --> 0:32:26.685 and I remember the other At the filming of the hundred, 0:32:26.765 --> 0:32:29.285 someone in the audience asked a question about you and 0:32:29.325 --> 0:32:31.445 they mentioned your brother. Do you know what I mean? 0:32:31.605 --> 0:32:34.845 They're very Oh they're the best people. My dad's the 0:32:34.845 --> 0:32:37.685 best person. Yeah, I think to be a full time 0:32:37.725 --> 0:32:41.525 care really yeah, yeah, they're both primary school teachers. 0:32:41.725 --> 0:32:43.285 Yeah, what happened to your mum? 0:32:43.645 --> 0:32:47.445 She had a rare disease called cerebral vasculatis, so a 0:32:47.525 --> 0:32:50.125 blood so it's like a series of strokes, but of 0:32:50.205 --> 0:32:52.525 strokes normally and a arterie it's in the veins so 0:32:52.525 --> 0:32:55.365 it's smaller and cerebral. She had it in the brain. 0:32:56.125 --> 0:32:58.965 So she was the first to survive in Australia. 0:32:59.005 --> 0:33:02.725 I think really when was that six? 0:33:03.525 --> 0:33:05.965 So she's given two weeks to live in ninety six 0:33:06.405 --> 0:33:09.165 really and two weeks again at some point. 0:33:09.325 --> 0:33:12.045 So you were still at school then, so you would 0:33:12.045 --> 0:33:13.285 have been like year teen. 0:33:13.205 --> 0:33:15.845 Or yeah, yeah, I was, I was year I think 0:33:15.845 --> 0:33:17.605 it was year nine going to year ten. Happened over 0:33:17.645 --> 0:33:20.685 the Christmas holidays. She just forgot how to walk, talk, 0:33:20.805 --> 0:33:22.925 who we all were, and then was in hospital for 0:33:22.965 --> 0:33:24.645 a long time. Months and month. 0:33:24.885 --> 0:33:28.125 Wow, how is that for a teenage boy. 0:33:29.645 --> 0:33:36.245 Well, my sister calls me the tin man. Really, I've 0:33:36.285 --> 0:33:39.005 actually become a lot more emotional in my old age. 0:33:39.005 --> 0:33:41.885 Actually, Well, I think I have this theory that the 0:33:41.965 --> 0:33:46.405 less this is born from my husband's dad, classic old 0:33:46.445 --> 0:33:50.685 Ossie Brian Brian Lewis of Sunshine who I love. The 0:33:50.765 --> 0:33:54.085 less sentimental they are in the youth, the more sentimental 0:33:54.165 --> 0:33:55.325 they get through life. 0:33:55.525 --> 0:34:00.125 Yep, I'm certainly feeling that. But at the time, that 0:34:00.205 --> 0:34:01.845 was probably the first my sister and I was a 0:34:01.885 --> 0:34:05.445 relationship split. During that time, it was much harder for 0:34:05.525 --> 0:34:10.405 my sister. She was becoming a woman. Yeah right, Yeah, 0:34:10.445 --> 0:34:13.725 it doesn't have a mum around, and we would go 0:34:13.845 --> 0:34:17.645 into the hospital and have to introduce yourself to your 0:34:17.725 --> 0:34:20.165 mum every day and so that she. 0:34:20.165 --> 0:34:25.485 Pleased to meet you. 0:34:24.645 --> 0:34:25.725 And that's tiresome. 0:34:26.285 --> 0:34:26.485 Yeah. 0:34:26.925 --> 0:34:31.365 Dad just went like they'd raise pretty good kids. So 0:34:31.405 --> 0:34:32.965 it was just like every man for himself. All have 0:34:33.005 --> 0:34:36.165 to dig in here, make your own lunches, get yourself 0:34:36.165 --> 0:34:40.365 to school, and will work out what's going on. I 0:34:40.565 --> 0:34:44.285 probably put my brother, not probably, I put my brother, 0:34:44.325 --> 0:34:46.365 my brother and sister a little out of joint because 0:34:46.405 --> 0:34:51.125 I went, Okay, here's the roster. You're on this. Yeah, 0:34:51.525 --> 0:34:54.605 I probably tried to solve it through. Yeah. 0:34:55.325 --> 0:34:58.405 Well, and admin is required when you're trying to save 0:34:58.445 --> 0:35:02.125 the life of someone. Believe me, I know it's essential. 0:35:02.445 --> 0:35:06.445 However, you don't want your brother telling you that you've 0:35:06.445 --> 0:35:08.765 got to do this and that and this is your 0:35:08.765 --> 0:35:12.565 turn to do the And so they became a lot closer, 0:35:12.645 --> 0:35:15.125 my older brother and my sister during that period. 0:35:15.285 --> 0:35:16.725 Imagine the conversation then. 0:35:16.685 --> 0:35:22.765 Oh wow, yeah so and then Mum just snapped out 0:35:22.765 --> 0:35:25.405 of it. Weirdly, they don't really know why. There's since 0:35:25.445 --> 0:35:27.205 been a few more cases. I think it was the 0:35:28.125 --> 0:35:30.005 I'm don't make up the figures, but there's only been 0:35:30.125 --> 0:35:33.565 twenty cases in Australia. Yeah, So she tried to came home, 0:35:33.565 --> 0:35:35.325 and then she came home and we were it was 0:35:35.365 --> 0:35:39.405 a different family. We spent four to six months saying Hi, 0:35:39.525 --> 0:35:43.605 I'm Andy Margaret, and I'd been introducing dad as Michael, 0:35:43.645 --> 0:35:45.605 and so I started calling my dad Michael. We stopped 0:35:45.605 --> 0:35:48.965 calling mom and dad. Oh, there was these little things 0:35:48.965 --> 0:35:51.285 that happened in your life. She came back into a house. 0:35:51.285 --> 0:35:54.005 It was sufficient. There was just running its own race, 0:35:54.125 --> 0:35:56.525 and that was a real culture shock and so she 0:35:57.365 --> 0:35:59.205 requested to go back to. 0:35:59.245 --> 0:36:01.045 Hospital because it was a bit too much. 0:36:01.205 --> 0:36:02.925 That's the only time I was pissed off. 0:36:03.805 --> 0:36:07.005 Right, It's like they fuck you, yeah. 0:36:06.885 --> 0:36:08.965 Right, I've done this right, and you don't even want 0:36:09.005 --> 0:36:12.765 to be at a very response. 0:36:12.365 --> 0:36:16.885 Because now as an adult you understand, and as a mother, 0:36:17.085 --> 0:36:19.885 I'm like, oh my goodness that actually now just thinking 0:36:19.885 --> 0:36:22.805 about it is making me cry because it's like. 0:36:23.605 --> 0:36:27.005 And she'd missed my sister important parts of she's growing 0:36:27.085 --> 0:36:30.765 up and yeah, it was yeah, and she's going through 0:36:30.805 --> 0:36:34.245 rehabbing doing this stuff anyway, but you know, at least 0:36:34.245 --> 0:36:37.405 you could be around, you know, which is so unfair 0:36:37.445 --> 0:36:38.685 and selfish. 0:36:38.165 --> 0:36:40.685 For someone who has. 0:36:40.765 --> 0:36:43.525 Just lost kind of five months of her life but 0:36:43.565 --> 0:36:48.125 also just gone backwards. She's forty three or something and 0:36:48.125 --> 0:36:51.645 then became a seven year old. Yeah, and you know, 0:36:51.725 --> 0:36:53.845 she's on a walker and she's can't speak for her 0:36:53.965 --> 0:36:55.805 on her match, she can't do basic mass and all 0:36:55.845 --> 0:36:59.045 these things, and she has to be cared for and 0:36:59.045 --> 0:37:00.525 then she doesn't even want to be around it. It was 0:37:00.525 --> 0:37:02.845 just it was just I can't imagine would have been 0:37:02.925 --> 0:37:06.925 for mum. Oh you know, I haven't really and your dad, 0:37:07.365 --> 0:37:13.445 but dad who was staunch dad about five Whether we 0:37:13.605 --> 0:37:15.485 keep this in the podcast, I don't know. But about 0:37:15.525 --> 0:37:19.165 five years later, after they were really social, they were 0:37:19.165 --> 0:37:22.965 off playing tennis together. Mum was, you know, slim, funky. 0:37:23.085 --> 0:37:26.605 They've got that five and she. 0:37:27.205 --> 0:37:30.405 Didn't want to go out and see anyone because she 0:37:30.445 --> 0:37:34.645 couldn't converse properly, and she is, you know, couldn't walk properly, 0:37:34.725 --> 0:37:37.445 and she was marassed. So she just cut off a 0:37:37.525 --> 0:37:41.445 lot of those social outlets. And close friends stick around. 0:37:41.645 --> 0:37:44.965 But naturally we keep saying no to people, invite you 0:37:45.005 --> 0:37:48.525 to things. Yeah, and so then Dad loses all of that. 0:37:49.525 --> 0:37:52.405 And so in a situation where Dad's living a very 0:37:52.445 --> 0:37:56.565 different life than he was and what signed up for. 0:37:57.205 --> 0:37:59.805 And you know when people say in sickness and health. 0:37:59.925 --> 0:38:04.885 Yeah, no one sickness, no one means that. It's like 0:38:04.925 --> 0:38:06.285 for rich or for Paora. 0:38:06.765 --> 0:38:11.325 I didn't mean Poora exactly. It's a true test of that. 0:38:12.325 --> 0:38:15.005 And Dad and I were drive him back from somewhere 0:38:15.045 --> 0:38:17.765 one day and he said, I want to talk to 0:38:17.765 --> 0:38:22.005 you about something, and what year would this been? I know, 0:38:22.405 --> 0:38:27.085 whole lot later it's about your mother, And in my head, 0:38:28.005 --> 0:38:32.045 I've gone, he's found someone else. Oh, it probably speaks 0:38:32.085 --> 0:38:34.925 to me. I'm like, he's done really well for half 0:38:34.925 --> 0:38:38.525 a decade doing this, but I can't keep doing I 0:38:38.565 --> 0:38:41.525 totally get it, and so I'm getting ready for him 0:38:41.525 --> 0:38:44.605 to go. You know, I found someone else and then 0:38:44.645 --> 0:38:47.725 he's gone. I'm going to take time off work to 0:38:47.885 --> 0:38:50.285 make use of the time with Mum because we're not 0:38:50.325 --> 0:38:52.165 sure how it's going to go. And I'm like the 0:38:52.285 --> 0:38:58.085 opposite of football. I didn't tell him at the time, Hey, yeah, 0:38:58.085 --> 0:39:00.125 I thought you were going to go. Hey, I'm routing 0:39:00.165 --> 0:39:07.005 the librarian. But that's who he is. And do you. 0:39:06.765 --> 0:39:10.765 Think I mean, obviously bad example would say no, but 0:39:10.805 --> 0:39:14.005 that doesn't encapsulate all of you. Do you think you 0:39:14.045 --> 0:39:18.125 are your father? Oh no, I mean very few people 0:39:18.245 --> 0:39:19.045 could be your dad. 0:39:19.165 --> 0:39:23.125 Yeah, but I also don't think anyone knows whether they can. 0:39:23.885 --> 0:39:27.125 I mean in practice, how do you test that? How 0:39:27.165 --> 0:39:29.565 can you honestly say I do exactly the same thing. 0:39:30.085 --> 0:39:31.685 I'd care for Beck through thick and things. 0:39:31.805 --> 0:39:33.885 Yeah, yeah, it's very hard. 0:39:33.965 --> 0:39:36.765 I'd like to think I would, and I certainly have 0:39:37.045 --> 0:39:40.925 a lot of my dad's morals, share a lot of 0:39:40.925 --> 0:39:44.965 his interests, and hopefully some of his kind bones. But 0:39:45.885 --> 0:39:49.325 I think it'd be pretty arrogant to say, oh yeah, 0:39:49.405 --> 0:39:50.405 I'll do that in a pinch. 0:39:50.685 --> 0:39:54.525 I think it's easier to always pass judgment on people 0:39:54.525 --> 0:39:58.565 in certain situations when they move on, when you don't 0:39:58.605 --> 0:40:01.085 know what it means to be caring for someone or 0:40:01.125 --> 0:40:04.045 to lose someone, or you know, the other idea. We 0:40:04.085 --> 0:40:08.245 always have a people who are chronically ill or is 0:40:08.285 --> 0:40:13.565 that they're somehow saintly, Whereas when people are chronically ill, 0:40:13.605 --> 0:40:16.445 often they're the opposite of that, because they're fighting for 0:40:16.525 --> 0:40:20.685 their life and they're frightened and they're yeah, they're angry. Yeah, 0:40:20.725 --> 0:40:21.525 they're angry. 0:40:21.765 --> 0:40:25.205 They're angry, and it can come out in really terrible ways. 0:40:25.245 --> 0:40:29.765 Now again, to my mum's credit, she just doesn't complain. 0:40:29.845 --> 0:40:33.565 And I'm like, oh god, I'd be complaining, would really 0:40:33.765 --> 0:40:36.805 complaining if it took that much time for me to 0:40:36.805 --> 0:40:38.685 get out of beer every day and put all these 0:40:38.725 --> 0:40:40.725 you know, and I know these people are farwer situations, 0:40:40.725 --> 0:40:43.005 and I'm also very lucky to stay around, of. 0:40:42.965 --> 0:40:47.405 Course, but it still doesn't mean that problems are not problems. Yeah, 0:40:50.125 --> 0:40:54.885 stick around, because up next, I asked Andy if he wants. 0:40:54.685 --> 0:40:59.045 Kids, and I love being available to people. I do 0:40:59.165 --> 0:41:01.725 definitely worry that having my own family means that I 0:41:01.845 --> 0:41:02.245 give that. 0:41:02.285 --> 0:41:09.965 Up because you're so family oriented. You know what, I 0:41:10.005 --> 0:41:14.085 have to ask you whether you're inclined to have your 0:41:14.125 --> 0:41:15.005 own family. 0:41:15.445 --> 0:41:17.685 Yeah, I mean I'm asked this a lot. 0:41:18.125 --> 0:41:20.365 Oh well, I can imagine that you are, because women 0:41:20.405 --> 0:41:23.525 also get asked. It's just a thing because in life 0:41:23.525 --> 0:41:29.085 there are certain transitions that happen. They're not guaranteed, they're 0:41:29.125 --> 0:41:34.205 not necessary. But because you are who you are, you're 0:41:34.325 --> 0:41:41.845 very family oriented, you're loyal, you're quite good looking. Well 0:41:41.965 --> 0:41:44.365 maybe they would, I don't know, But how do you 0:41:44.525 --> 0:41:45.565 feel about that? 0:41:45.845 --> 0:41:49.085 I'd gone through something I thought I would definitely want, 0:41:49.085 --> 0:41:50.525 then I went through patches if I don't think I 0:41:50.565 --> 0:41:52.405 want this at all, and then I'm in trying to. 0:41:52.445 --> 0:41:55.885 Which is like pretty common for the common. Yeah. 0:41:56.005 --> 0:41:59.645 One thing I do love about not currently having kids 0:42:00.605 --> 0:42:04.125 is how available I am to my family. Yes. Now, 0:42:05.885 --> 0:42:07.765 Mum and Dad wire down the beach house one day 0:42:07.805 --> 0:42:10.565 and they said, ah, when you're going to start a family, 0:42:10.685 --> 0:42:12.605 And I said, you realize you wouldn't be here in 0:42:12.685 --> 0:42:13.805 this beach house if I've. 0:42:13.645 --> 0:42:17.685 Got both, Like, yeah, but you know what I would say. 0:42:17.685 --> 0:42:18.645 They would be happy with that. 0:42:18.725 --> 0:42:21.405 Yeah, we give it up son, we'd give it up. 0:42:21.445 --> 0:42:23.005 And I spend so much time with them, I think 0:42:23.045 --> 0:42:25.445 because of that, and I spend time with my nephews 0:42:25.485 --> 0:42:28.765 because of that. And I love being available to people. 0:42:28.845 --> 0:42:32.085 That's something that I love with friends, love being a 0:42:32.125 --> 0:42:36.285 reliable source to call upon. I do definitely worry that 0:42:36.365 --> 0:42:39.005 having my own family means that I give that up. Now, 0:42:39.045 --> 0:42:42.125 that could be the right decision at some point. People 0:42:42.125 --> 0:42:44.125 think that's selfless, but it's not. I get a lot 0:42:44.165 --> 0:42:49.365 of self worth. If anyone calls, I'm happy to go 0:42:49.405 --> 0:42:50.565 and work out what we need to do. 0:42:51.245 --> 0:42:56.485 Yeah, but do you think that having kids would preclude 0:42:57.205 --> 0:42:57.965 from doing that. 0:42:58.285 --> 0:42:58.605 It does. 0:42:58.685 --> 0:43:00.925 Actual I'm mentally going through when I've been available. 0:43:02.045 --> 0:43:04.285 Okay, not to say that it's not the reason not to, 0:43:04.445 --> 0:43:07.245 and but I think these are things go through my 0:43:07.365 --> 0:43:11.645 mind and all my friends and family when they've had 0:43:11.685 --> 0:43:15.565 their own kids. It's a really time and not tough 0:43:15.605 --> 0:43:17.965 as in, it's not rewarding. It's just a lot. 0:43:18.205 --> 0:43:21.285 Well it should be, it has to be. 0:43:21.645 --> 0:43:24.205 And it's beautiful, but it's all consuming, and you go 0:43:24.325 --> 0:43:28.205 into your insular shelves and you ask for help, particularly 0:43:28.205 --> 0:43:32.725 with young kids, everywhere, like you need to because you 0:43:32.845 --> 0:43:37.365 need support group, and so naturally people turn inwards when 0:43:37.365 --> 0:43:38.125 they have their own. 0:43:38.045 --> 0:43:40.685 Kids, and you're still outwards. 0:43:40.885 --> 0:43:44.445 I think so at the moment, I love Beck, Yeah 0:43:44.485 --> 0:43:46.645 I could, and I think she'd be an amazing mom. 0:43:46.685 --> 0:43:48.405 And what does she think? Does she think she'd be 0:43:48.405 --> 0:43:49.205 an amazing mum? 0:43:49.765 --> 0:43:50.565 Yeah? I think. 0:43:52.165 --> 0:43:55.285 You know what, Let's watch this space. Let's reconvene this 0:43:55.325 --> 0:44:01.245 time next year, because come on, a year and a half. 0:44:02.085 --> 0:44:05.765 But when I asked that, it's partly there's a thing 0:44:05.805 --> 0:44:09.485 that happens. I always think when people have kids, as 0:44:09.485 --> 0:44:12.205 you used to say, everyone wants you to join the 0:44:12.205 --> 0:44:15.325 misery club. Right, there's a terrible thing to sight. But 0:44:15.405 --> 0:44:18.925 before you have kids, you can see the downside and 0:44:18.965 --> 0:44:20.125 the data and the whatever. 0:44:20.765 --> 0:44:23.005 But there's no rub between Beck and I on that 0:44:23.125 --> 0:44:28.125 front because Vexel doesn't want them now, yes, like this 0:44:28.165 --> 0:44:30.485 is the misconception. It's like if we post a picture 0:44:30.525 --> 0:44:33.005 of us somewhere, everyone's like, oh, haven't. 0:44:32.405 --> 0:44:36.485 You're a tease you tease paper with that, don't pretend 0:44:36.565 --> 0:44:37.645 you don't. 0:44:37.285 --> 0:44:41.605 I put a photo off of me and my partner 0:44:41.605 --> 0:44:43.605 and everyone's like, are you cage? 0:44:43.645 --> 0:44:46.645 Like no, I'm saying to hurt Beck, hide the third 0:44:46.765 --> 0:44:48.125 finger on your left hand. 0:44:50.125 --> 0:44:51.485 The time, I was a tease and I'm not allowed 0:44:51.525 --> 0:44:53.965 to play this joke anymore. But anytime I saw paparazzi, 0:44:53.965 --> 0:44:57.645 I'd get down on one knee. So we beat the 0:44:57.685 --> 0:45:00.765 baggage at Melbourne Airport and the pats would be there, 0:45:00.765 --> 0:45:02.405 and so I'd get down on one knee and pretend 0:45:02.405 --> 0:45:04.685 to propose. I was picking up dog Poo Wonder and 0:45:04.765 --> 0:45:07.565 saw paparazzi, so I pretended to propose, and Beck said 0:45:08.445 --> 0:45:09.605 that job that choke. 0:45:09.805 --> 0:45:15.925 No, no, no, no, I've got to tell you something else. 0:45:17.165 --> 0:45:20.125 So when I knew that I was talking to you today, 0:45:20.645 --> 0:45:24.845 I sent hay mission message, my dear, And this is 0:45:24.925 --> 0:45:27.925 kind of quite deep, but it's you know, we lost 0:45:27.965 --> 0:45:32.125 cal Wilson. The fraternity lost Cayl Wilson. And when I 0:45:32.165 --> 0:45:35.765 was at her funeral and also at her memorial, I 0:45:35.845 --> 0:45:39.325 was struck by how much she would have loved it, 0:45:39.885 --> 0:45:43.165 and how she would have heard things that she never 0:45:43.285 --> 0:45:47.085 heard when she was alive and had a position in 0:45:47.205 --> 0:45:50.725 all of our hearts and in the broader comedy community 0:45:50.765 --> 0:45:53.125 that she never knew she held. And so I sent 0:45:53.205 --> 0:45:56.885 hammer message and I said, I'm talking to Andy and 0:45:56.925 --> 0:46:03.205 I would like you to write something about what he 0:46:03.405 --> 0:46:06.445 means to you. Okay, he didn't get back to me 0:46:06.485 --> 0:46:09.325 for two days. I'm like, I got back to you. 0:46:09.485 --> 0:46:11.245 That's good. Now he got back to me. He not 0:46:11.285 --> 0:46:14.205 only got back to me, he got back to me 0:46:14.365 --> 0:46:17.765 with this and I'm going to read it to you. Hey, Katie, 0:46:17.805 --> 0:46:20.845 So here's some absolute train of thought musings on what 0:46:20.965 --> 0:46:26.045 my friend Andy means to me. Upon reflection, I guess 0:46:26.085 --> 0:46:29.565 I've always gone through life with a curiosity, an appetite 0:46:29.605 --> 0:46:33.845 for adventure, and the belief that in almost all situations 0:46:33.845 --> 0:46:37.045 there's the option to find comedy in it, but to 0:46:37.125 --> 0:46:41.605 get really deep, really quickly. I also perhaps lacked the 0:46:41.685 --> 0:46:45.565 full belief in myself to pursue that feeling. I think 0:46:45.565 --> 0:46:48.405 I suffered a lot from waiting until it was the 0:46:48.405 --> 0:46:52.685 perfect time to do something, rather than taking a leap. 0:46:52.885 --> 0:46:56.125 I was nineteen and looking back, full of dreams but 0:46:56.285 --> 0:47:01.285 also apprehension. As a nineteen year old, Andy introduced me 0:47:01.325 --> 0:47:06.685 to the term back yourself, and he really did, and 0:47:06.765 --> 0:47:10.605 alongside him, I began to do the same him. I 0:47:10.645 --> 0:47:15.925 think through his friendship, he unlocked courage in me. Maybe 0:47:15.965 --> 0:47:18.245 I would have got there in the end or in 0:47:18.285 --> 0:47:21.525 a variety of different ways. But it really was in 0:47:21.645 --> 0:47:24.845 meeting Andy that I found a partner who brought out 0:47:24.845 --> 0:47:28.085 a desire to take risks together and leap into the unknown. 0:47:28.285 --> 0:47:30.365 And that was a massive gift to me. 0:47:32.285 --> 0:47:32.885 Free special. 0:47:34.245 --> 0:47:43.005 There's more. It's I don't know why I'm so moved 0:47:43.005 --> 0:47:45.485 by this, but I love it. I love it for you. 0:47:47.365 --> 0:47:50.365 I owe him a huge debt for hundreds of things. 0:47:51.125 --> 0:47:53.605 But the older I get, the more I see and 0:47:53.725 --> 0:47:56.925 value that initial change in the trajectory of my life 0:47:57.885 --> 0:48:01.485 and the seedling of challenging what may be possible. We've 0:48:01.485 --> 0:48:04.165 been through adventures and highs and lows that no one 0:48:04.205 --> 0:48:07.605 but us will understand or possibly care about, and it 0:48:07.645 --> 0:48:11.125 feels five hundred times more fun to have experienced it 0:48:11.205 --> 0:48:14.605 with him than alone. So I love Andy for the 0:48:14.605 --> 0:48:17.605 many things he is and the decades of barely laughs 0:48:17.605 --> 0:48:20.845 he's given me, But I also have that deep love 0:48:20.925 --> 0:48:24.005 for the lessons he's taught me during those formative years. 0:48:24.685 --> 0:48:28.725 I really believe I've experienced a wildly richer life because 0:48:28.725 --> 0:48:32.845 of that gift. Okay, I won't ramble anymore, and because 0:48:32.885 --> 0:48:35.005 people have tuned in to hear your thoughts. Not a 0:48:35.085 --> 0:48:37.485 letter from me big love. 0:48:39.365 --> 0:48:43.165 Amazing, Yeah, pretty cool. 0:48:43.805 --> 0:48:45.125 It's beautiful, isn't it. 0:48:45.205 --> 0:48:47.165 Yeah, But I always promise myself I don't cry on 0:48:47.205 --> 0:48:48.125 podcasts because. 0:48:50.765 --> 0:48:51.245 Why not? 0:48:51.765 --> 0:48:52.165 Why not? 0:48:53.005 --> 0:48:57.165 Why not? What is life? Life is laughter and laugh. 0:48:57.005 --> 0:48:59.805 Because it faily male article or something, and that's not 0:48:59.845 --> 0:49:02.965 where I want this to be. But it's special what 0:49:03.045 --> 0:49:05.405 I love about. I mean, it's so lovely for him 0:49:05.445 --> 0:49:08.965 to say it publicly, but we've also said those things 0:49:08.965 --> 0:49:10.525 to each other the privately. 0:49:12.685 --> 0:49:14.445 Get down on one may but. 0:49:14.445 --> 0:49:18.965 I know that sounds odd, bad, and I connect constantly 0:49:19.525 --> 0:49:22.805 about those things. He hasn't put that as beautifully as 0:49:22.805 --> 0:49:25.845 that before, but maybe he has. But yeah, we're not 0:49:26.525 --> 0:49:29.085 afraid to tell each other how we're feeling in good 0:49:29.125 --> 0:49:33.125 times and bad. But people are, and I don't think 0:49:33.205 --> 0:49:37.285 too many mates get the opportunity to do that, as 0:49:37.325 --> 0:49:41.925 in men while they're living, while they're living, and so 0:49:43.005 --> 0:49:46.925 I'm really grateful for that. That's obviously lovely words. 0:49:47.445 --> 0:49:52.845 They're beautiful words. They're richly deserved. You're a treasure, Andy Lee, 0:49:53.685 --> 0:49:57.725 you really are, you really are. Thank you for sharing 0:49:57.765 --> 0:49:58.725 yourself with us. 0:49:58.845 --> 0:50:01.325 Well, it took us a while to get here, like 0:50:01.565 --> 0:50:02.445 two and a half years. 0:50:03.245 --> 0:50:06.005 Why did it take so long. You're elusive. I don't 0:50:06.045 --> 0:50:07.685 think you like to do this sort of. 0:50:09.405 --> 0:50:12.285 I can no, no, but I promised me that I do 0:50:12.365 --> 0:50:14.965 it at some point. That's the other thing. If I 0:50:15.005 --> 0:50:18.325 ever say I'll do something to anyone ever, I can't 0:50:18.325 --> 0:50:18.845 notot do it. 0:50:19.685 --> 0:50:21.165 Oh, I want to get you to tell me you'll 0:50:21.205 --> 0:50:21.765 do something. 0:50:22.005 --> 0:50:25.965 No. Well, often people get the often the raw other answer. 0:50:25.965 --> 0:50:27.485 We just know I'm never going to do that, which 0:50:27.485 --> 0:50:30.885 I have no problem saying to about spaces. But apologies 0:50:30.885 --> 0:50:32.405 to me that I hadn't got around to it. But now, 0:50:32.445 --> 0:50:34.205 but I'm so glad I got to do with you, Katie, 0:50:34.205 --> 0:50:35.485 because we know each other very well. 0:50:35.525 --> 0:50:38.085 I loved it. I know you better now. I'm not 0:50:38.165 --> 0:50:47.165 surprised by anything. Thank goodness, Andy, Lay, thank you chears Well. 0:50:47.205 --> 0:50:51.405 That was such a great conversation. I loved getting a 0:50:51.445 --> 0:50:55.005 look inside what goes on in Andy's head. I think 0:50:55.045 --> 0:50:58.045 the sign of a good conversation is when aspects of 0:50:58.085 --> 0:51:01.205 it stay with you long after the conversation is finished, 0:51:01.205 --> 0:51:05.165 and that was the case with Andy. I thought about 0:51:05.405 --> 0:51:09.045 him a lot, and I thought about his take on 0:51:09.325 --> 0:51:15.525 things and his honesty, reluctant honesty at times. I basically 0:51:15.605 --> 0:51:18.605 loved all of it, and I hope you have too. 0:51:19.325 --> 0:51:21.445 We'll put the link in our show notes for Andy's 0:51:21.525 --> 0:51:24.165 children's books and all the other things he's up to. 0:51:25.045 --> 0:51:28.485 The Executive producer of No Filter is Kimberly Bradish, with 0:51:28.565 --> 0:51:32.685 sound production by Madeline Joannu. Thanks so much for listening.