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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mea acknowledges

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Speaker 1: is recorded on Hello friends, well to get you prepped

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Speaker 1: for my takeover. This is a soft launch. Really, I'm

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Speaker 1: dropping into your feed to share one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: interviews from the series of No Filter I did last year.

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Speaker 1: Andy Lee, of course needs no introduction. You know him

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Speaker 1: as a beloved comedian, a host, a writer. But in

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Speaker 1: this episode of No Filter, Andy opens up about himself,

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Speaker 1: which is something that he doesn't really often do. He

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Speaker 1: shares how important it is to tell your friends how

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Speaker 1: you feel, how he and Hamish Blake haven't always vibed

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Speaker 1: with certain projects, and all the nosy people on Instagram

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Speaker 1: who by they turned out to be right. I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoy it. Oh my goodness, this is so exciting.

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Speaker 1: Andy Lee, Welcome to No Filter.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Nice to be welcomed.

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Speaker 1: It is nice to be welcomed. Imagine if I was like,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing, which is actually what I did

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Speaker 1: say when I walked in, because you got here before me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm punctual, though you're more than punctual. You

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Speaker 1: were unfashionably early.

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Speaker 2: It was actually annoying, sit in the car kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: I would prefer to be right on time. Five minutes

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Speaker 2: early is and more annoying than five minutes late. Often.

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Speaker 1: Yes, people aren't prepared for you. That's very unlike most

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Speaker 1: people in showbiz. Actually, because you're very now this.

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Speaker 2: Is mindful of others, well thoughtful.

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Speaker 1: He's a goodful guy. I've never encountered it before. But

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Speaker 1: because you're very left brain and right brain so creative,

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Speaker 1: which doesn't always sit with order.

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Speaker 2: We organized, Yeah, Hamish, and I'd argue he's more creative

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Speaker 1: Sorry, who's HAMI good of mine?

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have the organization right, but hilariously, it'll text

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Speaker 2: me and go, I'm going to be either five minutes

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Speaker 2: early or five minutes later, and you're.

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Speaker 1: So well organized you would know which of those he's

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Speaker 1: going to be. Okay, Speaking of Hamish, it is almost

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Speaker 1: impossible to talk about Andy Lee without talking about Hamish Blake.

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Speaker 1: I can say no more more iconic duo because it

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Speaker 1: really is. But it's a very unusual coupling. A because

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Speaker 1: it seems so harmonious and organic, seems well, and also

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Speaker 1: because it's lasted longer. It's been more enduring than any

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Speaker 1: of your more romantic relationships, and.

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Speaker 2: His is exactly and we sleep together less than the other. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I love it. It's never bothered me that

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Speaker 2: for a long time I never had a surname. Actually

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Speaker 2: I was kind of Hamish's surname and Andy. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: when we both walk down the street, we both get

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Speaker 2: he Hamish, Hey, Andy the other person's name.

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Speaker 1: But always I get where's Hughesy? And I broke up

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Speaker 1: our iconic duo to go to Italy three years ago,

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Speaker 1: four years ago. Yes, so it's very much cemented in

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Speaker 1: public recognition of who you are. That's also lovely. Tell

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Speaker 1: me it's downsides, Oh, if there are any.

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Speaker 2: I don't actually feel the downsides at all. Maybe there's

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Speaker 2: moments where you'd like to have your own identity, but

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Speaker 2: I love what we do. I don't think I would

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Speaker 2: have been great. It's just a pop singer. I prefer

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Speaker 2: to be in a band, you know. And that's with everything, Yes,

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Speaker 2: so much. Prefer doing shows, people my happy places, doing

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Speaker 2: stuff with ham love, sharing the excitement and the failure.

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Speaker 2: In fact, sharing failures to some of the funniest things

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Speaker 1: So what when you say sharing failure.

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Speaker 2: Got our first TV I got asked after six weeks.

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Speaker 1: When was that?

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and four?

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Speaker 2: Show? Channel seven? Chris Lily was doing Mister g Really,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Keith was on it as a Holy comedian improviser. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Someone doesn't like my individual work. It's only me that

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Speaker 2: they didn't like. When someone doesn't like our work, I

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Speaker 2: can look across at Hame and go, well, I find

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Speaker 2: you the funniest person in the world. That person must

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Speaker 1: It's lovely. Also because within the partnership, both of you

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Speaker 2: Or I'm just the guy laughs at the funny guy.

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Speaker 1: because that is a very interesting kind of narrative to negotiate.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like you say negotiate, it sounds like

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Speaker 2: never felt that. I think Hamish is funnier if you

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Speaker 2: wanted to try and do the mass of it. But

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Speaker 2: those certain roles. Yeah, to say it never bothered me.

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Speaker 2: There would have been times and I'm like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, the thing is it kind of reminds

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, I hear what you're saying there. But I

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Speaker 1: He's very lovable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I found the right partner. And I

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Speaker 2: meeting him changed the whole trajectory of my life, but

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Speaker 2: Arts commercience and we met at UNI, which is so

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Speaker 2: strange because neither of us went very often.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a lunar eclipse, right, But can

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Speaker 1: you remember when you met?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It was really odd because the year before in

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Speaker 1: What is that? Yeah, I can't I'm already asleep.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I hadn't gone for the entire semester and realized

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Speaker 1: To claw back the ten percent.

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Speaker 2: Well call back, the one was one per attendance.

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Speaker 2: So I got up, and I said, I haven't come

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Speaker 2: mine called Hamish. You should meet him. Oh And I said, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: Haimer took a lot of convincing. Ham was very studious.

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Speaker 2: He was doing advanced mathematics, advanced physics, like book smart stuff.

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Speaker 2: And you, I know, it's a wow moment because I know,

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Speaker 2: It's always like I always say, he's the dumbest smart

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Speaker 1: They're like, you're bad, you were the bad.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to do was doing computer science and he

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Speaker 2: this is really fun what you're doing this.

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Speaker 1: And what did you think this was going to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, we were on the radio first at cin FM

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Speaker 2: Channel thirty one Community TV. And it was after five

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Speaker 1: many years he couldn't even feel the joy because he

434
00:21:58,645 --> 00:22:01,645
Speaker 1: was so consumed by himself and then ended up having

435
00:22:01,685 --> 00:22:05,485
Speaker 1: to talk to Hamish about it. How did it feel

436
00:22:05,525 --> 00:22:09,965
Speaker 1: for you? Were you aware of any of that or not?

437
00:22:10,005 --> 00:22:10,245
Speaker 2: Really?

438
00:22:10,285 --> 00:22:11,965
Speaker 1: Always are amazing like that, aren't they?

439
00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:16,045
Speaker 2: Well, we're very busy, Like, let's get that straight. We're

440
00:22:16,085 --> 00:22:18,885
Speaker 2: doing Drive. We're doing five days a week of drive

441
00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:23,005
Speaker 2: radio where Haim and I were getting early and national.

442
00:22:23,125 --> 00:22:25,645
Speaker 2: How many ideas can be put in this and a

443
00:22:25,645 --> 00:22:28,125
Speaker 2: lot of ideas involve traveling out of the studio and

444
00:22:28,205 --> 00:22:30,645
Speaker 2: consume our whole lives and some like that. And a

445
00:22:30,645 --> 00:22:33,205
Speaker 2: period of that time, ry I was off on Nova

446
00:22:33,245 --> 00:22:34,325
Speaker 2: I think against.

447
00:22:33,925 --> 00:22:36,405
Speaker 1: It right, doing drama.

448
00:22:36,645 --> 00:22:39,845
Speaker 2: So yeah, so there were elements of it all. I

449
00:22:39,885 --> 00:22:42,045
Speaker 2: was sad that he felt that way, Like I like,

450
00:22:42,085 --> 00:22:42,685
Speaker 2: when did.

451
00:22:42,485 --> 00:22:46,285
Speaker 1: You know when you heard that you never see a

452
00:22:46,325 --> 00:22:49,525
Speaker 1: woman would have been onto that straight away because I

453
00:22:49,565 --> 00:22:52,965
Speaker 1: think we understand you know, we live in different for me.

454
00:22:52,925 --> 00:22:55,445
Speaker 2: Though, because I'm not childhood buddies at Ryan.

455
00:22:56,445 --> 00:22:58,845
Speaker 1: No, No, I wouldn't tell.

456
00:22:58,765 --> 00:23:00,765
Speaker 2: We're close friends. But it all started to a business

457
00:23:00,805 --> 00:23:04,405
Speaker 2: relationship or a comedy fun relationship. So I'm not picking

458
00:23:04,445 --> 00:23:08,085
Speaker 2: up on nuanced things. And our relationship didn't change.

459
00:23:08,445 --> 00:23:11,285
Speaker 1: No, And he never had an issue with you. It

460
00:23:11,405 --> 00:23:15,165
Speaker 1: wasn't an issue with you. He loves you. The problem

461
00:23:15,245 --> 00:23:18,405
Speaker 1: was he also loves Hamish and Hamish's got a new

462
00:23:18,405 --> 00:23:19,325
Speaker 1: love who's Andy.

463
00:23:19,525 --> 00:23:22,325
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it'd be peculiar for me to be

464
00:23:22,365 --> 00:23:25,125
Speaker 2: able to take up on that. I mean, my friends

465
00:23:25,445 --> 00:23:27,765
Speaker 2: didn't like Hamish either because they were protective of their

466
00:23:27,805 --> 00:23:29,765
Speaker 2: friendship with me, and they're like, hey, who's this other

467
00:23:29,805 --> 00:23:32,165
Speaker 2: guy coming along? Think they started and I hate Hamish

468
00:23:32,165 --> 00:23:35,205
Speaker 2: club for a while. They hate T shirts.

469
00:23:36,085 --> 00:23:39,005
Speaker 1: Oh that would be great, So that's that was you

470
00:23:39,005 --> 00:23:40,245
Speaker 1: should have worn that to that.

471
00:23:42,125 --> 00:23:44,765
Speaker 2: So I get the natural feeling that we're all protective

472
00:23:44,765 --> 00:23:48,325
Speaker 2: about people, people that were around, and we feel like

473
00:23:48,485 --> 00:23:50,845
Speaker 2: we shouldn't be. And then you realize when you grow

474
00:23:50,925 --> 00:23:52,645
Speaker 2: up and have family and kids, you just forget about

475
00:23:52,645 --> 00:23:56,525
Speaker 2: all your friends and anyways. But during twenty year old,

476
00:23:56,565 --> 00:23:59,205
Speaker 2: your friendship group is your family. Yeah, in fact, your

477
00:23:59,205 --> 00:24:03,685
Speaker 2: family's probably annoying. You really are strong, so I could

478
00:24:03,725 --> 00:24:05,685
Speaker 2: see how that would be challenging.

479
00:24:05,805 --> 00:24:08,725
Speaker 1: But also I love the raw honesty of it, because

480
00:24:09,605 --> 00:24:11,445
Speaker 1: going back to the discussion we had about you need

481
00:24:11,485 --> 00:24:13,365
Speaker 1: a certain amount of ego to do what you do,

482
00:24:13,885 --> 00:24:16,645
Speaker 1: those feelings will live in that same area. And so

483
00:24:16,765 --> 00:24:19,365
Speaker 1: for him to say that, as himself a very accomplished

484
00:24:19,405 --> 00:24:23,605
Speaker 1: performer and ideas guy and Ryder and whatever, for him

485
00:24:23,645 --> 00:24:26,605
Speaker 1: to say it, it just resonated in a just very

486
00:24:26,725 --> 00:24:29,165
Speaker 1: human manner, and I loved it, and it kind of

487
00:24:29,165 --> 00:24:34,205
Speaker 1: showed the umbrella what you've built, you guys together that

488
00:24:34,285 --> 00:24:36,285
Speaker 1: he felt that he could say that, and he could

489
00:24:36,325 --> 00:24:38,125
Speaker 1: say it publicly, and he had to say it to

490
00:24:38,205 --> 00:24:39,525
Speaker 1: advance the relationship.

491
00:24:39,685 --> 00:24:42,645
Speaker 2: He rang me before it, and he felt that he

492
00:24:42,805 --> 00:24:45,365
Speaker 2: wanted to say it out loud, and obviously it had

493
00:24:45,405 --> 00:24:48,165
Speaker 2: played in his mind for a long time. And so

494
00:24:48,525 --> 00:24:51,845
Speaker 2: whatever Ryan needed to do, you know, as a friend,

495
00:24:52,285 --> 00:24:55,085
Speaker 2: whatever he needed to do to try and resolve that,

496
00:24:56,445 --> 00:24:58,845
Speaker 2: super supportive of it, because no one wants to know you.

497
00:24:58,845 --> 00:24:59,725
Speaker 1: Don't want to live with that.

498
00:25:00,125 --> 00:25:04,685
Speaker 2: It's super hard to go. I didn't, you know, I

499
00:25:04,685 --> 00:25:06,725
Speaker 2: can't remember the exactly the words he said, but like

500
00:25:06,885 --> 00:25:09,365
Speaker 2: to be super hard to go. I don't want you

501
00:25:09,405 --> 00:25:11,885
Speaker 2: to succeed. I'm having trouble with you. My friend's succeeding.

502
00:25:11,965 --> 00:25:15,045
Speaker 2: I mean that's because Ry is such a lovely person,

503
00:25:15,125 --> 00:25:20,685
Speaker 2: so a thing a battle, and he would have regretted about.

504
00:25:20,485 --> 00:25:26,165
Speaker 1: It still to come. I ask Andy how it feels

505
00:25:26,245 --> 00:25:28,925
Speaker 1: to be the butt of jokes, like when people say

506
00:25:29,365 --> 00:25:33,805
Speaker 1: he's less funny than Hamish, which people love to do.

507
00:25:34,085 --> 00:25:36,885
Speaker 2: I think it would be more hurtful if I felt

508
00:25:36,965 --> 00:25:38,165
Speaker 2: like it was true.

509
00:25:38,445 --> 00:25:41,485
Speaker 1: And does he want a wedding and a baby and

510
00:25:41,565 --> 00:25:47,685
Speaker 1: all those things we're all supposed to want stay with us,

511
00:25:50,005 --> 00:25:53,685
Speaker 1: you know when and you've said you've never really had

512
00:25:53,685 --> 00:25:56,445
Speaker 1: those feelings towards Hamish because quite frankly, it's hard to

513
00:25:56,445 --> 00:26:01,805
Speaker 1: imagine who could. But I'm struck by this narrative, which

514
00:26:01,885 --> 00:26:05,605
Speaker 1: is partly humorous but also is a bit snarky towards

515
00:26:05,645 --> 00:26:09,245
Speaker 1: you from not badly, but you know you said before

516
00:26:09,565 --> 00:26:11,605
Speaker 1: you know that Hamish is the guy, and you're the

517
00:26:11,685 --> 00:26:13,805
Speaker 1: less funny guy, and you might have been the more

518
00:26:13,845 --> 00:26:19,605
Speaker 1: funny guy. And the logis last year when Pang was hosting,

519
00:26:19,605 --> 00:26:21,565
Speaker 1: and they made a joke from the start.

520
00:26:21,925 --> 00:26:24,845
Speaker 3: Both Hamish and Andy are here tonight. Hamish won the

521
00:26:24,845 --> 00:26:27,125
Speaker 3: Gold Logi last year for the second time and he's

522
00:26:27,165 --> 00:26:35,125
Speaker 3: nominated again this year, and Andy his mates with Hamish.

523
00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:38,205
Speaker 1: I'm just like, uh, it kind of feels like a

524
00:26:38,325 --> 00:26:42,325
Speaker 1: joke that's sort of run its course. Do other people

525
00:26:42,405 --> 00:26:43,765
Speaker 1: care more about that than you do?

526
00:26:44,725 --> 00:26:46,725
Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know what other people think that. I

527
00:26:46,725 --> 00:26:47,645
Speaker 2: don't care about it at all.

528
00:26:47,765 --> 00:26:50,245
Speaker 1: Well, I was sitting a table of people that kind

529
00:26:50,285 --> 00:26:54,405
Speaker 1: of went, oh.

530
00:26:52,885 --> 00:26:55,645
Speaker 2: I think it would be more hurtful if I felt

531
00:26:55,765 --> 00:27:02,605
Speaker 2: like it was true. I mean, arrogance here we go,

532
00:27:03,445 --> 00:27:06,285
Speaker 2: I shit there and go. I mean I make the

533
00:27:06,325 --> 00:27:08,925
Speaker 2: same jokes. I think I make a joke. Believe you

534
00:27:09,005 --> 00:27:09,245
Speaker 2: do it.

535
00:27:09,525 --> 00:27:11,005
Speaker 1: I hear you do it on the one hundred, And

536
00:27:11,245 --> 00:27:14,605
Speaker 1: it's just like sometimes if that got me on a

537
00:27:14,645 --> 00:27:17,245
Speaker 1: bad day, yeah, I'd be like, oh.

538
00:27:17,925 --> 00:27:21,685
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm really aware of my skill set and

539
00:27:21,845 --> 00:27:24,605
Speaker 2: very comfortable with how it's it, so it's still fine.

540
00:27:24,885 --> 00:27:28,845
Speaker 2: Maybe it does change when you have individual success, you know, yes,

541
00:27:29,565 --> 00:27:32,805
Speaker 2: with my kids books or the hundred or my work

542
00:27:32,845 --> 00:27:35,565
Speaker 2: on this train open all these things. If I had

543
00:27:36,045 --> 00:27:40,725
Speaker 2: just done Hamish and Andy and then then you never

544
00:27:40,925 --> 00:27:43,485
Speaker 2: worked for me again, You're right, and I wanted to

545
00:27:43,565 --> 00:27:45,285
Speaker 2: keep a sying it. You know, some people go off

546
00:27:45,285 --> 00:27:48,885
Speaker 2: and they're quite comfortable in that space. I think that

547
00:27:48,925 --> 00:27:51,165
Speaker 2: would feel different. That would be tough.

548
00:27:51,485 --> 00:27:54,365
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned your kid's books because they are

549
00:27:54,565 --> 00:27:59,725
Speaker 1: such a phenomenon and in fact, a very affirming phenomenon

550
00:27:59,805 --> 00:28:02,965
Speaker 1: of you and your talents. There's a series do not

551
00:28:03,045 --> 00:28:05,685
Speaker 1: Open this book that came out just in time for

552
00:28:05,845 --> 00:28:10,645
Speaker 1: my youngest to just love it, of Love Love, and

553
00:28:10,685 --> 00:28:13,725
Speaker 1: now there's a whole series of them, do not open

554
00:28:13,725 --> 00:28:16,085
Speaker 1: this book ever. I told you, do not open this

555
00:28:16,165 --> 00:28:23,885
Speaker 1: fucking book. That's one for grown ups. Anyway, When you're

556
00:28:23,925 --> 00:28:26,685
Speaker 1: selling that book in Australia and there's so many celebrities

557
00:28:26,685 --> 00:28:30,565
Speaker 1: who have done kids books, it's no surprise. In Australia

558
00:28:31,565 --> 00:28:34,285
Speaker 1: people could have been buying the books because you're Andy Lee,

559
00:28:34,645 --> 00:28:38,405
Speaker 1: and that would be great. That's fair enough. But then

560
00:28:38,485 --> 00:28:40,445
Speaker 1: they released the books globally.

561
00:28:41,405 --> 00:28:45,325
Speaker 2: How many countries we're in thirty five languages, okay, so

562
00:28:45,365 --> 00:28:47,685
Speaker 2: that's obviously a lot more countries, okay.

563
00:28:48,765 --> 00:28:50,925
Speaker 1: And how many books have you sold Andy Lee to

564
00:28:50,965 --> 00:28:53,205
Speaker 1: people who do not know who Andy Lee is.

565
00:28:53,965 --> 00:28:57,165
Speaker 2: Well, we've sold over three million around the world. But

566
00:28:57,525 --> 00:29:00,525
Speaker 2: holy moll, I know which way you're heading with that,

567
00:29:00,605 --> 00:29:03,325
Speaker 2: and I totally agree. I actually had a meeting about

568
00:29:03,325 --> 00:29:06,605
Speaker 2: this morning about another part of this project and with

569
00:29:06,725 --> 00:29:10,605
Speaker 2: the books and amplifying it the books, I fell into

570
00:29:10,645 --> 00:29:12,125
Speaker 2: it and again this is luck.

571
00:29:12,645 --> 00:29:13,885
Speaker 1: Was it for your nephew? Yeah?

572
00:29:13,885 --> 00:29:17,045
Speaker 2: I wrote one book on a plane forty minutes for

573
00:29:17,165 --> 00:29:19,285
Speaker 2: my nephew for his birthday. And my best mate from

574
00:29:19,365 --> 00:29:22,125
Speaker 2: high school Hawks, he's a book publisher and they make

575
00:29:22,165 --> 00:29:23,965
Speaker 2: test books up all the time, so he was going

576
00:29:24,005 --> 00:29:25,605
Speaker 2: to make one test book for me. I was going

577
00:29:25,645 --> 00:29:27,565
Speaker 2: to give it to my nephew for his first birthday.

578
00:29:28,125 --> 00:29:31,245
Speaker 2: Hawks argue with me to publish them, and I said, no, no,

579
00:29:31,645 --> 00:29:34,485
Speaker 2: it's a present, not doing it. And it was three

580
00:29:34,525 --> 00:29:36,565
Speaker 2: months of back and forth and I said, okay, I'll

581
00:29:36,645 --> 00:29:39,925
Speaker 2: check with my sister because it was for her, and

582
00:29:39,965 --> 00:29:42,685
Speaker 2: so I said, age your mind if we published these books.

583
00:29:42,805 --> 00:29:44,405
Speaker 2: Hawgs has been on my back and she said, oh,

584
00:29:44,445 --> 00:29:46,325
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful book. I'd love it to be out there.

585
00:29:46,365 --> 00:29:48,085
Speaker 2: And I said, look, proceeds can go to George, which

586
00:29:48,085 --> 00:29:50,765
Speaker 2: is my nephe At the time, we had to change

587
00:29:50,765 --> 00:29:51,725
Speaker 2: the deal a bit cake.

588
00:29:51,685 --> 00:29:56,805
Speaker 1: Co Wow King George.

589
00:29:58,005 --> 00:30:01,005
Speaker 2: So they've got a little school fun for all my

590
00:30:01,085 --> 00:30:05,205
Speaker 2: nephews and nieces. But yeah, so lovely. I was super

591
00:30:05,285 --> 00:30:08,565
Speaker 2: chuffed with how it went overseas because exactly what you said.

592
00:30:09,605 --> 00:30:11,605
Speaker 2: I thought, well, I'm going to sell this, but do

593
00:30:11,645 --> 00:30:13,405
Speaker 2: people like the book or is it just because Andy

594
00:30:13,485 --> 00:30:16,445
Speaker 2: Lee from or Andy from Hamish Andy it's attached to

595
00:30:16,485 --> 00:30:20,045
Speaker 2: this and then to see them travel and when people

596
00:30:20,085 --> 00:30:23,405
Speaker 2: have no idea who I am, and in Rome last

597
00:30:23,485 --> 00:30:24,965
Speaker 2: year doing a book signing.

598
00:30:24,925 --> 00:30:26,885
Speaker 1: They think you're just a book author.

599
00:30:27,245 --> 00:30:31,685
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just really strange and great and you go, okay,

600
00:30:31,685 --> 00:30:35,685
Speaker 2: there's something here and the idea. So absolutely I was

601
00:30:35,765 --> 00:30:39,485
Speaker 2: tough with that. I'm really proud of that, and it

602
00:30:39,525 --> 00:30:41,325
Speaker 2: gave it far more substance for sure.

603
00:30:42,005 --> 00:30:43,965
Speaker 1: Tell me about the conversation you had to have with

604
00:30:44,045 --> 00:30:47,765
Speaker 1: your sister when you had to say George was going

605
00:30:47,845 --> 00:30:51,205
Speaker 1: to get the royalties? Yes, what number sales were you

606
00:30:51,285 --> 00:30:53,365
Speaker 1: in where you went? This number is actually getting a

607
00:30:53,365 --> 00:30:54,725
Speaker 1: bit too much for little George.

608
00:30:55,525 --> 00:30:59,365
Speaker 2: Oh, we sold hundreds of thousand years. But my sister's

609
00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:02,525
Speaker 2: just this is the harder part. My sister's a writer,

610
00:31:02,645 --> 00:31:07,645
Speaker 2: and she's a kid's book writer, no young she writes

611
00:31:07,685 --> 00:31:08,285
Speaker 2: young novels.

612
00:31:08,365 --> 00:31:12,325
Speaker 1: Thats why I year from twelve on with Ye Yes.

613
00:31:12,325 --> 00:31:14,965
Speaker 2: And she's got some amazing brands starring All of Black

614
00:31:15,045 --> 00:31:16,925
Speaker 2: was one of hers. She was the writer from Zach

615
00:31:17,005 --> 00:31:18,485
Speaker 2: Powell Books and it.

616
00:31:18,445 --> 00:31:21,805
Speaker 1: Goes Yes, another bigger hit in our family, Zach Powell.

617
00:31:21,885 --> 00:31:25,005
Speaker 2: Yes, and she's got Girl Geeks another one at the moment,

618
00:31:25,045 --> 00:31:28,125
Speaker 2: which is girls and technology and science and that stuff.

619
00:31:28,405 --> 00:31:31,165
Speaker 2: So she's done a great and amazing work in the

620
00:31:31,205 --> 00:31:33,885
Speaker 2: space and that definitely was a worry for me to

621
00:31:33,925 --> 00:31:38,645
Speaker 2: go al. You're so talented. People should look up a

622
00:31:38,645 --> 00:31:41,965
Speaker 2: books because they're so great. Thankfully it wasn't a head

623
00:31:41,965 --> 00:31:44,805
Speaker 2: to head. There's a different category, yeah, right, but you know,

624
00:31:44,885 --> 00:31:47,645
Speaker 2: we're going to book awards together and my sister's there

625
00:31:47,645 --> 00:31:49,325
Speaker 2: and I go with her. Was great to a friend around.

626
00:31:49,405 --> 00:31:52,565
Speaker 2: But because my sister's just so lovely and so with

627
00:31:52,605 --> 00:31:56,725
Speaker 2: my brother. Yeah, there's been nothing but support, which is just.

628
00:31:56,845 --> 00:32:01,165
Speaker 1: Because you know, that's interesting because sometimes it's hard within

629
00:32:01,205 --> 00:32:07,045
Speaker 1: a family when the spotlight is shone on one particular member.

630
00:32:07,565 --> 00:32:11,845
Speaker 1: And your parents both of her I've met beautiful Margaret

631
00:32:11,885 --> 00:32:15,885
Speaker 1: and Michael. They seem to navigate that really beautifully, like

632
00:32:15,965 --> 00:32:20,125
Speaker 1: they turn up at your shows. The first time I

633
00:32:20,165 --> 00:32:21,925
Speaker 1: ever met you, I think you were with your dad

634
00:32:23,285 --> 00:32:26,685
Speaker 1: and I remember the other At the filming of the hundred,

635
00:32:26,765 --> 00:32:29,285
Speaker 1: someone in the audience asked a question about you and

636
00:32:29,325 --> 00:32:31,445
Speaker 1: they mentioned your brother. Do you know what I mean?

637
00:32:31,605 --> 00:32:34,845
Speaker 2: They're very Oh they're the best people. My dad's the

638
00:32:34,845 --> 00:32:37,685
Speaker 2: best person. Yeah, I think to be a full time

639
00:32:37,725 --> 00:32:41,525
Speaker 2: care really yeah, yeah, they're both primary school teachers.

640
00:32:41,725 --> 00:32:43,285
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened to your mum?

641
00:32:43,645 --> 00:32:47,445
Speaker 2: She had a rare disease called cerebral vasculatis, so a

642
00:32:47,525 --> 00:32:50,125
Speaker 2: blood so it's like a series of strokes, but of

643
00:32:50,205 --> 00:32:52,525
Speaker 2: strokes normally and a arterie it's in the veins so

644
00:32:52,525 --> 00:32:55,365
Speaker 2: it's smaller and cerebral. She had it in the brain.

645
00:32:56,125 --> 00:32:58,965
Speaker 2: So she was the first to survive in Australia.

646
00:32:59,005 --> 00:33:02,725
Speaker 1: I think really when was that six?

647
00:33:03,525 --> 00:33:05,965
Speaker 2: So she's given two weeks to live in ninety six

648
00:33:06,405 --> 00:33:09,165
Speaker 2: really and two weeks again at some point.

649
00:33:09,325 --> 00:33:12,045
Speaker 1: So you were still at school then, so you would

650
00:33:12,045 --> 00:33:13,285
Speaker 1: have been like year teen.

651
00:33:13,205 --> 00:33:15,845
Speaker 2: Or yeah, yeah, I was, I was year I think

652
00:33:15,845 --> 00:33:17,605
Speaker 2: it was year nine going to year ten. Happened over

653
00:33:17,645 --> 00:33:20,685
Speaker 2: the Christmas holidays. She just forgot how to walk, talk,

654
00:33:20,805 --> 00:33:22,925
Speaker 2: who we all were, and then was in hospital for

655
00:33:22,965 --> 00:33:24,645
Speaker 2: a long time. Months and month.

656
00:33:24,885 --> 00:33:28,125
Speaker 1: Wow, how is that for a teenage boy.

657
00:33:29,645 --> 00:33:36,245
Speaker 2: Well, my sister calls me the tin man. Really, I've

658
00:33:36,285 --> 00:33:39,005
Speaker 2: actually become a lot more emotional in my old age.

659
00:33:39,005 --> 00:33:41,885
Speaker 1: Actually, Well, I think I have this theory that the

660
00:33:41,965 --> 00:33:46,405
Speaker 1: less this is born from my husband's dad, classic old

661
00:33:46,445 --> 00:33:50,685
Speaker 1: Ossie Brian Brian Lewis of Sunshine who I love. The

662
00:33:50,765 --> 00:33:54,085
Speaker 1: less sentimental they are in the youth, the more sentimental

663
00:33:54,165 --> 00:33:55,325
Speaker 1: they get through life.

664
00:33:55,525 --> 00:34:00,125
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm certainly feeling that. But at the time, that

665
00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:01,845
Speaker 2: was probably the first my sister and I was a

666
00:34:01,885 --> 00:34:05,445
Speaker 2: relationship split. During that time, it was much harder for

667
00:34:05,525 --> 00:34:10,405
Speaker 2: my sister. She was becoming a woman. Yeah right, Yeah,

668
00:34:10,445 --> 00:34:13,725
Speaker 2: it doesn't have a mum around, and we would go

669
00:34:13,845 --> 00:34:17,645
Speaker 2: into the hospital and have to introduce yourself to your

670
00:34:17,725 --> 00:34:20,165
Speaker 2: mum every day and so that she.

671
00:34:20,165 --> 00:34:25,485
Speaker 1: Pleased to meet you.

672
00:34:24,645 --> 00:34:25,725
Speaker 2: And that's tiresome.

673
00:34:26,285 --> 00:34:26,485
Speaker 3: Yeah.

674
00:34:26,925 --> 00:34:31,365
Speaker 2: Dad just went like they'd raise pretty good kids. So

675
00:34:31,405 --> 00:34:32,965
Speaker 2: it was just like every man for himself. All have

676
00:34:33,005 --> 00:34:36,165
Speaker 2: to dig in here, make your own lunches, get yourself

677
00:34:36,165 --> 00:34:40,365
Speaker 2: to school, and will work out what's going on. I

678
00:34:40,565 --> 00:34:44,285
Speaker 2: probably put my brother, not probably, I put my brother,

679
00:34:44,325 --> 00:34:46,365
Speaker 2: my brother and sister a little out of joint because

680
00:34:46,405 --> 00:34:51,125
Speaker 2: I went, Okay, here's the roster. You're on this. Yeah,

681
00:34:51,525 --> 00:34:54,605
Speaker 2: I probably tried to solve it through. Yeah.

682
00:34:55,325 --> 00:34:58,405
Speaker 1: Well, and admin is required when you're trying to save

683
00:34:58,445 --> 00:35:02,125
Speaker 1: the life of someone. Believe me, I know it's essential.

684
00:35:02,445 --> 00:35:06,445
Speaker 2: However, you don't want your brother telling you that you've

685
00:35:06,445 --> 00:35:08,765
Speaker 2: got to do this and that and this is your

686
00:35:08,765 --> 00:35:12,565
Speaker 2: turn to do the And so they became a lot closer,

687
00:35:12,645 --> 00:35:15,125
Speaker 2: my older brother and my sister during that period.

688
00:35:15,285 --> 00:35:16,725
Speaker 1: Imagine the conversation then.

689
00:35:16,685 --> 00:35:22,765
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah so and then Mum just snapped out

690
00:35:22,765 --> 00:35:25,405
Speaker 2: of it. Weirdly, they don't really know why. There's since

691
00:35:25,445 --> 00:35:27,205
Speaker 2: been a few more cases. I think it was the

692
00:35:28,125 --> 00:35:30,005
Speaker 2: I'm don't make up the figures, but there's only been

693
00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:33,565
Speaker 2: twenty cases in Australia. Yeah, So she tried to came home,

694
00:35:33,565 --> 00:35:35,325
Speaker 2: and then she came home and we were it was

695
00:35:35,365 --> 00:35:39,405
Speaker 2: a different family. We spent four to six months saying Hi,

696
00:35:39,525 --> 00:35:43,605
Speaker 2: I'm Andy Margaret, and I'd been introducing dad as Michael,

697
00:35:43,645 --> 00:35:45,605
Speaker 2: and so I started calling my dad Michael. We stopped

698
00:35:45,605 --> 00:35:48,965
Speaker 2: calling mom and dad. Oh, there was these little things

699
00:35:48,965 --> 00:35:51,285
Speaker 2: that happened in your life. She came back into a house.

700
00:35:51,285 --> 00:35:54,005
Speaker 2: It was sufficient. There was just running its own race,

701
00:35:54,125 --> 00:35:56,525
Speaker 2: and that was a real culture shock and so she

702
00:35:57,365 --> 00:35:59,205
Speaker 2: requested to go back to.

703
00:35:59,245 --> 00:36:01,045
Speaker 1: Hospital because it was a bit too much.

704
00:36:01,205 --> 00:36:02,925
Speaker 2: That's the only time I was pissed off.

705
00:36:03,805 --> 00:36:07,005
Speaker 1: Right, It's like they fuck you, yeah.

706
00:36:06,885 --> 00:36:08,965
Speaker 2: Right, I've done this right, and you don't even want

707
00:36:09,005 --> 00:36:12,765
Speaker 2: to be at a very response.

708
00:36:12,365 --> 00:36:16,885
Speaker 1: Because now as an adult you understand, and as a mother,

709
00:36:17,085 --> 00:36:19,885
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my goodness that actually now just thinking

710
00:36:19,885 --> 00:36:22,805
Speaker 1: about it is making me cry because it's like.

711
00:36:23,605 --> 00:36:27,005
Speaker 2: And she'd missed my sister important parts of she's growing

712
00:36:27,085 --> 00:36:30,765
Speaker 2: up and yeah, it was yeah, and she's going through

713
00:36:30,805 --> 00:36:34,245
Speaker 2: rehabbing doing this stuff anyway, but you know, at least

714
00:36:34,245 --> 00:36:37,405
Speaker 2: you could be around, you know, which is so unfair

715
00:36:37,445 --> 00:36:38,685
Speaker 2: and selfish.

716
00:36:38,165 --> 00:36:40,685
Speaker 1: For someone who has.

717
00:36:40,765 --> 00:36:43,525
Speaker 2: Just lost kind of five months of her life but

718
00:36:43,565 --> 00:36:48,125
Speaker 2: also just gone backwards. She's forty three or something and

719
00:36:48,125 --> 00:36:51,645
Speaker 2: then became a seven year old. Yeah, and you know,

720
00:36:51,725 --> 00:36:53,845
Speaker 2: she's on a walker and she's can't speak for her

721
00:36:53,965 --> 00:36:55,805
Speaker 2: on her match, she can't do basic mass and all

722
00:36:55,845 --> 00:36:59,045
Speaker 2: these things, and she has to be cared for and

723
00:36:59,045 --> 00:37:00,525
Speaker 2: then she doesn't even want to be around it. It was

724
00:37:00,525 --> 00:37:02,845
Speaker 2: just it was just I can't imagine would have been

725
00:37:02,925 --> 00:37:06,925
Speaker 2: for mum. Oh you know, I haven't really and your dad,

726
00:37:07,365 --> 00:37:13,445
Speaker 2: but dad who was staunch dad about five Whether we

727
00:37:13,605 --> 00:37:15,485
Speaker 2: keep this in the podcast, I don't know. But about

728
00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:19,165
Speaker 2: five years later, after they were really social, they were

729
00:37:19,165 --> 00:37:22,965
Speaker 2: off playing tennis together. Mum was, you know, slim, funky.

730
00:37:23,085 --> 00:37:26,605
Speaker 1: They've got that five and she.

731
00:37:27,205 --> 00:37:30,405
Speaker 2: Didn't want to go out and see anyone because she

732
00:37:30,445 --> 00:37:34,645
Speaker 2: couldn't converse properly, and she is, you know, couldn't walk properly,

733
00:37:34,725 --> 00:37:37,445
Speaker 2: and she was marassed. So she just cut off a

734
00:37:37,525 --> 00:37:41,445
Speaker 2: lot of those social outlets. And close friends stick around.

735
00:37:41,645 --> 00:37:44,965
Speaker 2: But naturally we keep saying no to people, invite you

736
00:37:45,005 --> 00:37:48,525
Speaker 2: to things. Yeah, and so then Dad loses all of that.

737
00:37:49,525 --> 00:37:52,405
Speaker 2: And so in a situation where Dad's living a very

738
00:37:52,445 --> 00:37:56,565
Speaker 2: different life than he was and what signed up for.

739
00:37:57,205 --> 00:37:59,805
Speaker 2: And you know when people say in sickness and health.

740
00:37:59,925 --> 00:38:04,885
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one sickness, no one means that. It's like

741
00:38:04,925 --> 00:38:06,285
Speaker 1: for rich or for Paora.

742
00:38:06,765 --> 00:38:11,325
Speaker 2: I didn't mean Poora exactly. It's a true test of that.

743
00:38:12,325 --> 00:38:15,005
Speaker 2: And Dad and I were drive him back from somewhere

744
00:38:15,045 --> 00:38:17,765
Speaker 2: one day and he said, I want to talk to

745
00:38:17,765 --> 00:38:22,005
Speaker 2: you about something, and what year would this been? I know,

746
00:38:22,405 --> 00:38:27,085
Speaker 2: whole lot later it's about your mother, And in my head,

747
00:38:28,005 --> 00:38:32,045
Speaker 2: I've gone, he's found someone else. Oh, it probably speaks

748
00:38:32,085 --> 00:38:34,925
Speaker 2: to me. I'm like, he's done really well for half

749
00:38:34,925 --> 00:38:38,525
Speaker 2: a decade doing this, but I can't keep doing I

750
00:38:38,565 --> 00:38:41,525
Speaker 2: totally get it, and so I'm getting ready for him

751
00:38:41,525 --> 00:38:44,605
Speaker 2: to go. You know, I found someone else and then

752
00:38:44,645 --> 00:38:47,725
Speaker 2: he's gone. I'm going to take time off work to

753
00:38:47,885 --> 00:38:50,285
Speaker 2: make use of the time with Mum because we're not

754
00:38:50,325 --> 00:38:52,165
Speaker 2: sure how it's going to go. And I'm like the

755
00:38:52,285 --> 00:38:58,085
Speaker 2: opposite of football. I didn't tell him at the time, Hey, yeah,

756
00:38:58,085 --> 00:39:00,125
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to go. Hey, I'm routing

757
00:39:00,165 --> 00:39:07,005
Speaker 2: the librarian. But that's who he is. And do you.

758
00:39:06,765 --> 00:39:10,765
Speaker 1: Think I mean, obviously bad example would say no, but

759
00:39:10,805 --> 00:39:14,005
Speaker 1: that doesn't encapsulate all of you. Do you think you

760
00:39:14,045 --> 00:39:18,125
Speaker 1: are your father? Oh no, I mean very few people

761
00:39:18,245 --> 00:39:19,045
Speaker 1: could be your dad.

762
00:39:19,165 --> 00:39:23,125
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also don't think anyone knows whether they can.

763
00:39:23,885 --> 00:39:27,125
Speaker 2: I mean in practice, how do you test that? How

764
00:39:27,165 --> 00:39:29,565
Speaker 2: can you honestly say I do exactly the same thing.

765
00:39:30,085 --> 00:39:31,685
Speaker 2: I'd care for Beck through thick and things.

766
00:39:31,805 --> 00:39:33,885
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's very hard.

767
00:39:33,965 --> 00:39:36,765
Speaker 2: I'd like to think I would, and I certainly have

768
00:39:37,045 --> 00:39:40,925
Speaker 2: a lot of my dad's morals, share a lot of

769
00:39:40,925 --> 00:39:44,965
Speaker 2: his interests, and hopefully some of his kind bones. But

770
00:39:45,885 --> 00:39:49,325
Speaker 2: I think it'd be pretty arrogant to say, oh yeah,

771
00:39:49,405 --> 00:39:50,405
Speaker 2: I'll do that in a pinch.

772
00:39:50,685 --> 00:39:54,525
Speaker 1: I think it's easier to always pass judgment on people

773
00:39:54,525 --> 00:39:58,565
Speaker 1: in certain situations when they move on, when you don't

774
00:39:58,605 --> 00:40:01,085
Speaker 1: know what it means to be caring for someone or

775
00:40:01,125 --> 00:40:04,045
Speaker 1: to lose someone, or you know, the other idea. We

776
00:40:04,085 --> 00:40:08,245
Speaker 1: always have a people who are chronically ill or is

777
00:40:08,285 --> 00:40:13,565
Speaker 1: that they're somehow saintly, Whereas when people are chronically ill,

778
00:40:13,605 --> 00:40:16,445
Speaker 1: often they're the opposite of that, because they're fighting for

779
00:40:16,525 --> 00:40:20,685
Speaker 1: their life and they're frightened and they're yeah, they're angry. Yeah,

780
00:40:20,725 --> 00:40:21,525
Speaker 1: they're angry.

781
00:40:21,765 --> 00:40:25,205
Speaker 2: They're angry, and it can come out in really terrible ways.

782
00:40:25,245 --> 00:40:29,765
Speaker 2: Now again, to my mum's credit, she just doesn't complain.

783
00:40:29,845 --> 00:40:33,565
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh god, I'd be complaining, would really

784
00:40:33,765 --> 00:40:36,805
Speaker 2: complaining if it took that much time for me to

785
00:40:36,805 --> 00:40:38,685
Speaker 2: get out of beer every day and put all these

786
00:40:38,725 --> 00:40:40,725
Speaker 2: you know, and I know these people are farwer situations,

787
00:40:40,725 --> 00:40:43,005
Speaker 2: and I'm also very lucky to stay around, of.

788
00:40:42,965 --> 00:40:47,405
Speaker 1: Course, but it still doesn't mean that problems are not problems. Yeah,

789
00:40:50,125 --> 00:40:54,885
Speaker 1: stick around, because up next, I asked Andy if he wants.

790
00:40:54,685 --> 00:40:59,045
Speaker 2: Kids, and I love being available to people. I do

791
00:40:59,165 --> 00:41:01,725
Speaker 2: definitely worry that having my own family means that I

792
00:41:01,845 --> 00:41:02,245
Speaker 2: give that.

793
00:41:02,285 --> 00:41:09,965
Speaker 1: Up because you're so family oriented. You know what, I

794
00:41:10,005 --> 00:41:14,085
Speaker 1: have to ask you whether you're inclined to have your

795
00:41:14,125 --> 00:41:15,005
Speaker 1: own family.

796
00:41:15,445 --> 00:41:17,685
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm asked this a lot.

797
00:41:18,125 --> 00:41:20,365
Speaker 1: Oh well, I can imagine that you are, because women

798
00:41:20,405 --> 00:41:23,525
Speaker 1: also get asked. It's just a thing because in life

799
00:41:23,525 --> 00:41:29,085
Speaker 1: there are certain transitions that happen. They're not guaranteed, they're

800
00:41:29,125 --> 00:41:34,205
Speaker 1: not necessary. But because you are who you are, you're

801
00:41:34,325 --> 00:41:41,845
Speaker 1: very family oriented, you're loyal, you're quite good looking. Well

802
00:41:41,965 --> 00:41:44,365
Speaker 1: maybe they would, I don't know, But how do you

803
00:41:44,525 --> 00:41:45,565
Speaker 1: feel about that?

804
00:41:45,845 --> 00:41:49,085
Speaker 2: I'd gone through something I thought I would definitely want,

805
00:41:49,085 --> 00:41:50,525
Speaker 2: then I went through patches if I don't think I

806
00:41:50,565 --> 00:41:52,405
Speaker 2: want this at all, and then I'm in trying to.

807
00:41:52,445 --> 00:41:55,885
Speaker 1: Which is like pretty common for the common. Yeah.

808
00:41:56,005 --> 00:41:59,645
Speaker 2: One thing I do love about not currently having kids

809
00:42:00,605 --> 00:42:04,125
Speaker 2: is how available I am to my family. Yes. Now,

810
00:42:05,885 --> 00:42:07,765
Speaker 2: Mum and Dad wire down the beach house one day

811
00:42:07,805 --> 00:42:10,565
Speaker 2: and they said, ah, when you're going to start a family,

812
00:42:10,685 --> 00:42:12,605
Speaker 2: And I said, you realize you wouldn't be here in

813
00:42:12,685 --> 00:42:13,805
Speaker 2: this beach house if I've.

814
00:42:13,645 --> 00:42:17,685
Speaker 1: Got both, Like, yeah, but you know what I would say.

815
00:42:17,685 --> 00:42:18,645
Speaker 2: They would be happy with that.

816
00:42:18,725 --> 00:42:21,405
Speaker 1: Yeah, we give it up son, we'd give it up.

817
00:42:21,445 --> 00:42:23,005
Speaker 2: And I spend so much time with them, I think

818
00:42:23,045 --> 00:42:25,445
Speaker 2: because of that, and I spend time with my nephews

819
00:42:25,485 --> 00:42:28,765
Speaker 2: because of that. And I love being available to people.

820
00:42:28,845 --> 00:42:32,085
Speaker 2: That's something that I love with friends, love being a

821
00:42:32,125 --> 00:42:36,285
Speaker 2: reliable source to call upon. I do definitely worry that

822
00:42:36,365 --> 00:42:39,005
Speaker 2: having my own family means that I give that up. Now,

823
00:42:39,045 --> 00:42:42,125
Speaker 2: that could be the right decision at some point. People

824
00:42:42,125 --> 00:42:44,125
Speaker 2: think that's selfless, but it's not. I get a lot

825
00:42:44,165 --> 00:42:49,365
Speaker 2: of self worth. If anyone calls, I'm happy to go

826
00:42:49,405 --> 00:42:50,565
Speaker 2: and work out what we need to do.

827
00:42:51,245 --> 00:42:56,485
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you think that having kids would preclude

828
00:42:57,205 --> 00:42:57,965
Speaker 1: from doing that.

829
00:42:58,285 --> 00:42:58,605
Speaker 2: It does.

830
00:42:58,685 --> 00:43:00,925
Speaker 1: Actual I'm mentally going through when I've been available.

831
00:43:02,045 --> 00:43:04,285
Speaker 2: Okay, not to say that it's not the reason not to,

832
00:43:04,445 --> 00:43:07,245
Speaker 2: and but I think these are things go through my

833
00:43:07,365 --> 00:43:11,645
Speaker 2: mind and all my friends and family when they've had

834
00:43:11,685 --> 00:43:15,565
Speaker 2: their own kids. It's a really time and not tough

835
00:43:15,605 --> 00:43:17,965
Speaker 2: as in, it's not rewarding. It's just a lot.

836
00:43:18,205 --> 00:43:21,285
Speaker 1: Well it should be, it has to be.

837
00:43:21,645 --> 00:43:24,205
Speaker 2: And it's beautiful, but it's all consuming, and you go

838
00:43:24,325 --> 00:43:28,205
Speaker 2: into your insular shelves and you ask for help, particularly

839
00:43:28,205 --> 00:43:32,725
Speaker 2: with young kids, everywhere, like you need to because you

840
00:43:32,845 --> 00:43:37,365
Speaker 2: need support group, and so naturally people turn inwards when

841
00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:38,125
Speaker 2: they have their own.

842
00:43:38,045 --> 00:43:40,685
Speaker 1: Kids, and you're still outwards.

843
00:43:40,885 --> 00:43:44,445
Speaker 2: I think so at the moment, I love Beck, Yeah

844
00:43:44,485 --> 00:43:46,645
Speaker 2: I could, and I think she'd be an amazing mom.

845
00:43:46,685 --> 00:43:48,405
Speaker 1: And what does she think? Does she think she'd be

846
00:43:48,405 --> 00:43:49,205
Speaker 1: an amazing mum?

847
00:43:49,765 --> 00:43:50,565
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think.

848
00:43:52,165 --> 00:43:55,285
Speaker 1: You know what, Let's watch this space. Let's reconvene this

849
00:43:55,325 --> 00:44:01,245
Speaker 1: time next year, because come on, a year and a half.

850
00:44:02,085 --> 00:44:05,765
Speaker 1: But when I asked that, it's partly there's a thing

851
00:44:05,805 --> 00:44:09,485
Speaker 1: that happens. I always think when people have kids, as

852
00:44:09,485 --> 00:44:12,205
Speaker 1: you used to say, everyone wants you to join the

853
00:44:12,205 --> 00:44:15,325
Speaker 1: misery club. Right, there's a terrible thing to sight. But

854
00:44:15,405 --> 00:44:18,925
Speaker 1: before you have kids, you can see the downside and

855
00:44:18,965 --> 00:44:20,125
Speaker 1: the data and the whatever.

856
00:44:20,765 --> 00:44:23,005
Speaker 2: But there's no rub between Beck and I on that

857
00:44:23,125 --> 00:44:28,125
Speaker 2: front because Vexel doesn't want them now, yes, like this

858
00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:30,485
Speaker 2: is the misconception. It's like if we post a picture

859
00:44:30,525 --> 00:44:33,005
Speaker 2: of us somewhere, everyone's like, oh, haven't.

860
00:44:32,405 --> 00:44:36,485
Speaker 1: You're a tease you tease paper with that, don't pretend

861
00:44:36,565 --> 00:44:37,645
Speaker 1: you don't.

862
00:44:37,285 --> 00:44:41,605
Speaker 2: I put a photo off of me and my partner

863
00:44:41,605 --> 00:44:43,605
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, are you cage?

864
00:44:43,645 --> 00:44:46,645
Speaker 1: Like no, I'm saying to hurt Beck, hide the third

865
00:44:46,765 --> 00:44:48,125
Speaker 1: finger on your left hand.

866
00:44:50,125 --> 00:44:51,485
Speaker 2: The time, I was a tease and I'm not allowed

867
00:44:51,525 --> 00:44:53,965
Speaker 2: to play this joke anymore. But anytime I saw paparazzi,

868
00:44:53,965 --> 00:44:57,645
Speaker 2: I'd get down on one knee. So we beat the

869
00:44:57,685 --> 00:45:00,765
Speaker 2: baggage at Melbourne Airport and the pats would be there,

870
00:45:00,765 --> 00:45:02,405
Speaker 2: and so I'd get down on one knee and pretend

871
00:45:02,405 --> 00:45:04,685
Speaker 2: to propose. I was picking up dog Poo Wonder and

872
00:45:04,765 --> 00:45:07,565
Speaker 2: saw paparazzi, so I pretended to propose, and Beck said

873
00:45:08,445 --> 00:45:09,605
Speaker 2: that job that choke.

874
00:45:09,805 --> 00:45:15,925
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I've got to tell you something else.

875
00:45:17,165 --> 00:45:20,125
Speaker 1: So when I knew that I was talking to you today,

876
00:45:20,645 --> 00:45:24,845
Speaker 1: I sent hay mission message, my dear, And this is

877
00:45:24,925 --> 00:45:27,925
Speaker 1: kind of quite deep, but it's you know, we lost

878
00:45:27,965 --> 00:45:32,125
Speaker 1: cal Wilson. The fraternity lost Cayl Wilson. And when I

879
00:45:32,165 --> 00:45:35,765
Speaker 1: was at her funeral and also at her memorial, I

880
00:45:35,845 --> 00:45:39,325
Speaker 1: was struck by how much she would have loved it,

881
00:45:39,885 --> 00:45:43,165
Speaker 1: and how she would have heard things that she never

882
00:45:43,285 --> 00:45:47,085
Speaker 1: heard when she was alive and had a position in

883
00:45:47,205 --> 00:45:50,725
Speaker 1: all of our hearts and in the broader comedy community

884
00:45:50,765 --> 00:45:53,125
Speaker 1: that she never knew she held. And so I sent

885
00:45:53,205 --> 00:45:56,885
Speaker 1: hammer message and I said, I'm talking to Andy and

886
00:45:56,925 --> 00:46:03,205
Speaker 1: I would like you to write something about what he

887
00:46:03,405 --> 00:46:06,445
Speaker 1: means to you. Okay, he didn't get back to me

888
00:46:06,485 --> 00:46:09,325
Speaker 1: for two days. I'm like, I got back to you.

889
00:46:09,485 --> 00:46:11,245
Speaker 1: That's good. Now he got back to me. He not

890
00:46:11,285 --> 00:46:14,205
Speaker 1: only got back to me, he got back to me

891
00:46:14,365 --> 00:46:17,765
Speaker 1: with this and I'm going to read it to you. Hey, Katie,

892
00:46:17,805 --> 00:46:20,845
Speaker 1: So here's some absolute train of thought musings on what

893
00:46:20,965 --> 00:46:26,045
Speaker 1: my friend Andy means to me. Upon reflection, I guess

894
00:46:26,085 --> 00:46:29,565
Speaker 1: I've always gone through life with a curiosity, an appetite

895
00:46:29,605 --> 00:46:33,845
Speaker 1: for adventure, and the belief that in almost all situations

896
00:46:33,845 --> 00:46:37,045
Speaker 1: there's the option to find comedy in it, but to

897
00:46:37,125 --> 00:46:41,605
Speaker 1: get really deep, really quickly. I also perhaps lacked the

898
00:46:41,685 --> 00:46:45,565
Speaker 1: full belief in myself to pursue that feeling. I think

899
00:46:45,565 --> 00:46:48,405
Speaker 1: I suffered a lot from waiting until it was the

900
00:46:48,405 --> 00:46:52,685
Speaker 1: perfect time to do something, rather than taking a leap.

901
00:46:52,885 --> 00:46:56,125
Speaker 1: I was nineteen and looking back, full of dreams but

902
00:46:56,285 --> 00:47:01,285
Speaker 1: also apprehension. As a nineteen year old, Andy introduced me

903
00:47:01,325 --> 00:47:06,685
Speaker 1: to the term back yourself, and he really did, and

904
00:47:06,765 --> 00:47:10,605
Speaker 1: alongside him, I began to do the same him. I

905
00:47:10,645 --> 00:47:15,925
Speaker 1: think through his friendship, he unlocked courage in me. Maybe

906
00:47:15,965 --> 00:47:18,245
Speaker 1: I would have got there in the end or in

907
00:47:18,285 --> 00:47:21,525
Speaker 1: a variety of different ways. But it really was in

908
00:47:21,645 --> 00:47:24,845
Speaker 1: meeting Andy that I found a partner who brought out

909
00:47:24,845 --> 00:47:28,085
Speaker 1: a desire to take risks together and leap into the unknown.

910
00:47:28,285 --> 00:47:30,365
Speaker 1: And that was a massive gift to me.

911
00:47:32,285 --> 00:47:32,885
Speaker 2: Free special.

912
00:47:34,245 --> 00:47:43,005
Speaker 1: There's more. It's I don't know why I'm so moved

913
00:47:43,005 --> 00:47:45,485
Speaker 1: by this, but I love it. I love it for you.

914
00:47:47,365 --> 00:47:50,365
Speaker 1: I owe him a huge debt for hundreds of things.

915
00:47:51,125 --> 00:47:53,605
Speaker 1: But the older I get, the more I see and

916
00:47:53,725 --> 00:47:56,925
Speaker 1: value that initial change in the trajectory of my life

917
00:47:57,885 --> 00:48:01,485
Speaker 1: and the seedling of challenging what may be possible. We've

918
00:48:01,485 --> 00:48:04,165
Speaker 1: been through adventures and highs and lows that no one

919
00:48:04,205 --> 00:48:07,605
Speaker 1: but us will understand or possibly care about, and it

920
00:48:07,645 --> 00:48:11,125
Speaker 1: feels five hundred times more fun to have experienced it

921
00:48:11,205 --> 00:48:14,605
Speaker 1: with him than alone. So I love Andy for the

922
00:48:14,605 --> 00:48:17,605
Speaker 1: many things he is and the decades of barely laughs

923
00:48:17,605 --> 00:48:20,845
Speaker 1: he's given me, But I also have that deep love

924
00:48:20,925 --> 00:48:24,005
Speaker 1: for the lessons he's taught me during those formative years.

925
00:48:24,685 --> 00:48:28,725
Speaker 1: I really believe I've experienced a wildly richer life because

926
00:48:28,725 --> 00:48:32,845
Speaker 1: of that gift. Okay, I won't ramble anymore, and because

927
00:48:32,885 --> 00:48:35,005
Speaker 1: people have tuned in to hear your thoughts. Not a

928
00:48:35,085 --> 00:48:37,485
Speaker 1: letter from me big love.

929
00:48:39,365 --> 00:48:43,165
Speaker 2: Amazing, Yeah, pretty cool.

930
00:48:43,805 --> 00:48:45,125
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, isn't it.

931
00:48:45,205 --> 00:48:47,165
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I always promise myself I don't cry on

932
00:48:47,205 --> 00:48:48,125
Speaker 2: podcasts because.

933
00:48:50,765 --> 00:48:51,245
Speaker 1: Why not?

934
00:48:51,765 --> 00:48:52,165
Speaker 2: Why not?

935
00:48:53,005 --> 00:48:57,165
Speaker 1: Why not? What is life? Life is laughter and laugh.

936
00:48:57,005 --> 00:48:59,805
Speaker 2: Because it faily male article or something, and that's not

937
00:48:59,845 --> 00:49:02,965
Speaker 2: where I want this to be. But it's special what

938
00:49:03,045 --> 00:49:05,405
Speaker 2: I love about. I mean, it's so lovely for him

939
00:49:05,445 --> 00:49:08,965
Speaker 2: to say it publicly, but we've also said those things

940
00:49:08,965 --> 00:49:10,525
Speaker 2: to each other the privately.

941
00:49:12,685 --> 00:49:14,445
Speaker 1: Get down on one may but.

942
00:49:14,445 --> 00:49:18,965
Speaker 2: I know that sounds odd, bad, and I connect constantly

943
00:49:19,525 --> 00:49:22,805
Speaker 2: about those things. He hasn't put that as beautifully as

944
00:49:22,805 --> 00:49:25,845
Speaker 2: that before, but maybe he has. But yeah, we're not

945
00:49:26,525 --> 00:49:29,085
Speaker 2: afraid to tell each other how we're feeling in good

946
00:49:29,125 --> 00:49:33,125
Speaker 2: times and bad. But people are, and I don't think

947
00:49:33,205 --> 00:49:37,285
Speaker 2: too many mates get the opportunity to do that, as

948
00:49:37,325 --> 00:49:41,925
Speaker 2: in men while they're living, while they're living, and so

949
00:49:43,005 --> 00:49:46,925
Speaker 2: I'm really grateful for that. That's obviously lovely words.

950
00:49:47,445 --> 00:49:52,845
Speaker 1: They're beautiful words. They're richly deserved. You're a treasure, Andy Lee,

951
00:49:53,685 --> 00:49:57,725
Speaker 1: you really are, you really are. Thank you for sharing

952
00:49:57,765 --> 00:49:58,725
Speaker 1: yourself with us.

953
00:49:58,845 --> 00:50:01,325
Speaker 2: Well, it took us a while to get here, like

954
00:50:01,565 --> 00:50:02,445
Speaker 2: two and a half years.

955
00:50:03,245 --> 00:50:06,005
Speaker 1: Why did it take so long. You're elusive. I don't

956
00:50:06,045 --> 00:50:07,685
Speaker 1: think you like to do this sort of.

957
00:50:09,405 --> 00:50:12,285
Speaker 2: I can no, no, but I promised me that I do

958
00:50:12,365 --> 00:50:14,965
Speaker 2: it at some point. That's the other thing. If I

959
00:50:15,005 --> 00:50:18,325
Speaker 2: ever say I'll do something to anyone ever, I can't

960
00:50:18,325 --> 00:50:18,845
Speaker 2: notot do it.

961
00:50:19,685 --> 00:50:21,165
Speaker 1: Oh, I want to get you to tell me you'll

962
00:50:21,205 --> 00:50:21,765
Speaker 1: do something.

963
00:50:22,005 --> 00:50:25,965
Speaker 2: No. Well, often people get the often the raw other answer.

964
00:50:25,965 --> 00:50:27,485
Speaker 2: We just know I'm never going to do that, which

965
00:50:27,485 --> 00:50:30,885
Speaker 2: I have no problem saying to about spaces. But apologies

966
00:50:30,885 --> 00:50:32,405
Speaker 2: to me that I hadn't got around to it. But now,

967
00:50:32,445 --> 00:50:34,205
Speaker 2: but I'm so glad I got to do with you, Katie,

968
00:50:34,205 --> 00:50:35,485
Speaker 2: because we know each other very well.

969
00:50:35,525 --> 00:50:38,085
Speaker 1: I loved it. I know you better now. I'm not

970
00:50:38,165 --> 00:50:47,165
Speaker 1: surprised by anything. Thank goodness, Andy, Lay, thank you chears Well.

971
00:50:47,205 --> 00:50:51,405
Speaker 1: That was such a great conversation. I loved getting a

972
00:50:51,445 --> 00:50:55,005
Speaker 1: look inside what goes on in Andy's head. I think

973
00:50:55,045 --> 00:50:58,045
Speaker 1: the sign of a good conversation is when aspects of

974
00:50:58,085 --> 00:51:01,205
Speaker 1: it stay with you long after the conversation is finished,

975
00:51:01,205 --> 00:51:05,165
Speaker 1: and that was the case with Andy. I thought about

976
00:51:05,405 --> 00:51:09,045
Speaker 1: him a lot, and I thought about his take on

977
00:51:09,325 --> 00:51:15,525
Speaker 1: things and his honesty, reluctant honesty at times. I basically

978
00:51:15,605 --> 00:51:18,605
Speaker 1: loved all of it, and I hope you have too.

979
00:51:19,325 --> 00:51:21,445
Speaker 1: We'll put the link in our show notes for Andy's

980
00:51:21,525 --> 00:51:24,165
Speaker 1: children's books and all the other things he's up to.

981
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Speaker 1: The Executive producer of No Filter is Kimberly Bradish, with

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00:51:28,565 --> 00:51:32,685
Speaker 1: sound production by Madeline Joannu. Thanks so much for listening.