1 00:00:10,385 --> 00:00:14,545 Speaker 1: Said you're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia 2 00:00:14,665 --> 00:00:17,745 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this 3 00:00:17,825 --> 00:00:21,585 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on Hey you bees, Lee here popping 4 00:00:21,625 --> 00:00:24,145 Speaker 1: into your ears on a Sunday, Because on Sunday I 5 00:00:24,265 --> 00:00:27,105 Speaker 1: try and do what's called my Sunday reset, and I 6 00:00:27,145 --> 00:00:30,305 Speaker 1: get myself semi organized for the week, and that includes 7 00:00:30,345 --> 00:00:32,825 Speaker 1: picking out a few key pieces from my wardrobe that 8 00:00:32,905 --> 00:00:35,025 Speaker 1: I want to wear. So it made me think you 9 00:00:35,105 --> 00:00:37,545 Speaker 1: might want to have a listen to this episode of 10 00:00:37,585 --> 00:00:40,305 Speaker 1: Nothing to Wear, the fashion podcast I host, and it 11 00:00:40,385 --> 00:00:46,345 Speaker 1: might inspire you for your week ahead. Enjoy. Whoever said 12 00:00:46,385 --> 00:00:49,545 Speaker 1: orange is a new pink with seriously disturb morals for 13 00:00:49,665 --> 00:00:53,185 Speaker 1: spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have to do it. 14 00:00:53,225 --> 00:00:54,465 Speaker 2: You live for fashion. 15 00:00:55,825 --> 00:00:58,425 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 16 00:00:58,505 --> 00:01:02,345 Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, 17 00:01:02,425 --> 00:01:05,145 Speaker 1: and every week I chat to an expert who helps 18 00:01:05,185 --> 00:01:06,745 Speaker 1: us work out how to get more out of the 19 00:01:06,785 --> 00:01:09,305 Speaker 1: clothes you already own and tells us exactly what is 20 00:01:09,345 --> 00:01:13,305 Speaker 1: and is worth adding to our wardrobes. Styling our clothes 21 00:01:13,345 --> 00:01:16,945 Speaker 1: can be confusing, because truthfully, there's a difference between putting 22 00:01:16,985 --> 00:01:20,825 Speaker 1: clothes on and pulling together an outfit. From whether or 23 00:01:20,865 --> 00:01:23,905 Speaker 1: not we tuck in our tops, to coordinating colors and 24 00:01:23,945 --> 00:01:26,345 Speaker 1: even what we wear our socks with. These are little 25 00:01:26,345 --> 00:01:28,825 Speaker 1: tweaks that can make our clothes look more modern, but 26 00:01:28,945 --> 00:01:32,745 Speaker 1: although they're subtle, they also change each season. Joining me 27 00:01:32,825 --> 00:01:36,425 Speaker 1: today is stylus Sally McKinnon. Sally is one of my 28 00:01:36,545 --> 00:01:39,705 Speaker 1: favorite accounts to follow on Instagram. She shares her innate 29 00:01:39,745 --> 00:01:42,745 Speaker 1: talent for style to over two hundred and fifty thousand 30 00:01:42,745 --> 00:01:45,785 Speaker 1: people just on that one platform. She really is a 31 00:01:45,825 --> 00:01:49,305 Speaker 1: service to us all. So I've asked Sally for her help. 32 00:01:49,625 --> 00:01:53,185 Speaker 1: We received a dressing room dilemma from a confused listener 33 00:01:53,305 --> 00:01:56,705 Speaker 1: and they basically asked, so are we still doing the 34 00:01:56,785 --> 00:01:59,825 Speaker 1: half tuck with the shirt anymore? Or is that trend over? 35 00:02:00,625 --> 00:02:03,385 Speaker 1: So Sally is here to help me dissect what trends 36 00:02:03,425 --> 00:02:05,665 Speaker 1: and tweaks are popular right now and how we can 37 00:02:05,705 --> 00:02:09,585 Speaker 1: add a little bit more personality to polish our outfits. Sally, 38 00:02:09,945 --> 00:02:11,425 Speaker 1: welcome back, How are you. 39 00:02:12,105 --> 00:02:14,625 Speaker 2: I'm well? Thank you Lee, thank you for having me back. 40 00:02:14,665 --> 00:02:17,465 Speaker 1: Thank you. Honestly, the audience loved your first episode. It 41 00:02:17,505 --> 00:02:19,185 Speaker 1: was quite a while ago now, so we'll link it 42 00:02:19,225 --> 00:02:21,985 Speaker 1: in the show notes, I called you my TV show. Well, people, 43 00:02:21,985 --> 00:02:23,665 Speaker 1: I watch an Instagram TV show, You're one of my 44 00:02:23,705 --> 00:02:26,665 Speaker 1: favorite shows to watch your life night. We recently had 45 00:02:26,665 --> 00:02:29,785 Speaker 1: a tear in your beautiful new leather pants by your 46 00:02:29,825 --> 00:02:33,105 Speaker 1: beautiful shoes, and that was a journey, and then it 47 00:02:33,385 --> 00:02:34,625 Speaker 1: ended well with a repair. 48 00:02:35,105 --> 00:02:37,225 Speaker 2: It did end well, and it was a journey. People 49 00:02:37,425 --> 00:02:42,025 Speaker 2: like yourself were very investors in what happened, and obviously 50 00:02:42,185 --> 00:02:45,225 Speaker 2: the fix and thankfully I did find an amazing but 51 00:02:45,385 --> 00:02:49,545 Speaker 2: expensive blind seamstress in Melbourne who weaved her delicate little 52 00:02:49,585 --> 00:02:51,945 Speaker 2: fingers and she's done a really good job. 53 00:02:51,945 --> 00:02:54,465 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I screenshot your story to because I 54 00:02:54,465 --> 00:02:57,905 Speaker 1: couldn't believe how precise that was. So happy days. It's 55 00:02:57,985 --> 00:03:00,385 Speaker 1: nice to have a little escape of a fashion crisis 56 00:03:00,385 --> 00:03:03,225 Speaker 1: when the world's kind of burning around us. Anyway, let's 57 00:03:03,265 --> 00:03:05,025 Speaker 1: start with a few questions about you before we get 58 00:03:05,065 --> 00:03:09,145 Speaker 1: into the topic. What is your biggest fashion impulse purchase 59 00:03:09,265 --> 00:03:10,545 Speaker 1: you've ever't? 60 00:03:11,145 --> 00:03:14,305 Speaker 2: Oh, well, this was a really interesting one to think about, Lee, 61 00:03:14,385 --> 00:03:17,345 Speaker 2: because I'm really not a very impulsive person. I'm actually 62 00:03:17,345 --> 00:03:19,825 Speaker 2: a very considered shopper, and I guess because of what 63 00:03:19,905 --> 00:03:23,345 Speaker 2: I do as a personal stylist, personal shopper. I'm in 64 00:03:23,385 --> 00:03:26,585 Speaker 2: the shops every day, so I see so much. When 65 00:03:26,585 --> 00:03:29,265 Speaker 2: I first started my styling business over fifteen years ago, 66 00:03:29,625 --> 00:03:32,465 Speaker 2: I literally would find it really hard to lead a 67 00:03:32,465 --> 00:03:36,225 Speaker 2: personal shopping session and not buy something myself, Like it 68 00:03:36,345 --> 00:03:36,905 Speaker 2: was terrible. 69 00:03:36,985 --> 00:03:39,425 Speaker 1: Can you teach a side class of how to not 70 00:03:39,505 --> 00:03:40,585 Speaker 1: buy something all the time? 71 00:03:40,865 --> 00:03:43,665 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. So I've learned to be 72 00:03:43,825 --> 00:03:47,545 Speaker 2: much more considered, sleep on things, think about things overnight, 73 00:03:47,705 --> 00:03:48,625 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. 74 00:03:48,785 --> 00:03:51,665 Speaker 1: All right, so today we've received a dressing room dilever, 75 00:03:51,745 --> 00:03:55,145 Speaker 1: which is pretty funny and fashion is confusing, so they've said, 76 00:03:55,785 --> 00:03:58,585 Speaker 1: are we doing the half shirt tuck anymore? Or is 77 00:03:58,625 --> 00:04:01,145 Speaker 1: this trend over? What I wanted to talk to you 78 00:04:01,225 --> 00:04:04,385 Speaker 1: about is broadly what's in and what's out, because, of course, 79 00:04:04,425 --> 00:04:06,465 Speaker 1: on nothing to wear, and in real life you can 80 00:04:06,505 --> 00:04:09,225 Speaker 1: wear whatever you want. You kentuck, you can untuck, there 81 00:04:09,265 --> 00:04:12,465 Speaker 1: are no rules. But every season there's these little tweaks 82 00:04:12,465 --> 00:04:14,425 Speaker 1: to even the classic things we wear and how we 83 00:04:14,425 --> 00:04:17,785 Speaker 1: wear them. So let's run through some of those. Get 84 00:04:17,785 --> 00:04:20,385 Speaker 1: your opinion. But like I said, people can wear hondies 85 00:04:20,385 --> 00:04:24,145 Speaker 1: on the head if they want, So let's start with 86 00:04:24,225 --> 00:04:27,345 Speaker 1: the shirt tuck, the French tuck, so the front end 87 00:04:27,385 --> 00:04:30,185 Speaker 1: and the outsort of back. Are you still seeing that? 88 00:04:30,385 --> 00:04:31,145 Speaker 2: Do you do that? 89 00:04:31,665 --> 00:04:32,865 Speaker 1: Talk to me about tucking. 90 00:04:33,705 --> 00:04:36,585 Speaker 2: Over the summer break, I talked about maybe starting something 91 00:04:36,705 --> 00:04:39,665 Speaker 2: called untucked Tuesday, would you believe? So now we're kind 92 00:04:39,665 --> 00:04:43,145 Speaker 2: of talking the opposite. So I'm actually experimenting as I 93 00:04:43,185 --> 00:04:47,625 Speaker 2: am today with untucked looks. Yes, and just depending on 94 00:04:47,665 --> 00:04:50,465 Speaker 2: my mood and what I'm wearing. Sometimes I'll tuck. Sometimes 95 00:04:50,505 --> 00:04:56,545 Speaker 2: I'll completely untucked, but I've probably stopped doing that French 96 00:04:56,945 --> 00:05:00,065 Speaker 2: slash half time. I kind of commit either way, So 97 00:05:00,185 --> 00:05:02,705 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm either committing to the full tuck 98 00:05:03,545 --> 00:05:05,065 Speaker 2: or the complete untuck. 99 00:05:05,385 --> 00:05:08,105 Speaker 1: Interesting and me too, but I used to be such 100 00:05:08,145 --> 00:05:09,425 Speaker 1: a French tuck kind of goal. 101 00:05:09,945 --> 00:05:13,705 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think sometimes obviously, if you're wearing Lucy Goosey 102 00:05:13,785 --> 00:05:17,265 Speaker 2: on top and bottom, sometimes just a little flunt side 103 00:05:17,305 --> 00:05:20,945 Speaker 2: tuck just helps to obviously visually make your legs look longer, 104 00:05:21,345 --> 00:05:23,625 Speaker 2: maybe draw the eye up, create a little bit of 105 00:05:23,625 --> 00:05:25,905 Speaker 2: a waste like, it's just about creating a little bit 106 00:05:25,905 --> 00:05:30,585 Speaker 2: more balance in your outfit. But yeah, pretty much I'm 107 00:05:30,625 --> 00:05:34,105 Speaker 2: either committing. It's either leaning really into the tuck with 108 00:05:34,145 --> 00:05:37,465 Speaker 2: a full tuck or leaning completely away from tucking. 109 00:05:37,625 --> 00:05:39,305 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same. Like at the moment, I've got 110 00:05:39,385 --> 00:05:42,105 Speaker 1: high waisted jeans on and just a plain into gloate 111 00:05:42,225 --> 00:05:44,105 Speaker 1: in a belt. So I've tucked because otherwise it would 112 00:05:44,105 --> 00:05:47,105 Speaker 1: feel a bit whatever, a bit too undone. But then 113 00:05:47,145 --> 00:05:50,465 Speaker 1: I think Copenhagen fashion style influence for me. I've been 114 00:05:50,505 --> 00:05:52,425 Speaker 1: doing sort of the sheer skirts, but then I'm definitely 115 00:05:52,425 --> 00:05:55,505 Speaker 1: doing a shirt or a T shirt untucked basically cover me. 116 00:05:56,305 --> 00:06:00,025 Speaker 2: The Copenhagen girls they love a good untucked, don't they. 117 00:06:00,385 --> 00:06:03,625 Speaker 2: They do not care whatsoever about showing off their waist. 118 00:06:03,825 --> 00:06:05,785 Speaker 1: It's so much easier to go to the bathroom, all right. 119 00:06:05,825 --> 00:06:08,545 Speaker 1: The next one that we get asked a lot about, 120 00:06:08,745 --> 00:06:11,345 Speaker 1: which irrit me sometimes because it seems to be a 121 00:06:11,385 --> 00:06:15,145 Speaker 1: generational debate. Socks. Socks seem to be everywhere. Well, you 122 00:06:15,185 --> 00:06:18,185 Speaker 1: know how millennials were ankle socks and that wasn't cool. 123 00:06:18,185 --> 00:06:23,225 Speaker 1: But I'm seeing sock styled with ballet flat a Mary Jane. Absolutely, 124 00:06:23,225 --> 00:06:24,105 Speaker 1: how do you feel about it? 125 00:06:24,225 --> 00:06:27,425 Speaker 2: Now you're speaking my language. I feel a bit advanced though, Yeah, 126 00:06:27,425 --> 00:06:29,905 Speaker 2: you're right. So I started doing a lot of sock 127 00:06:30,025 --> 00:06:34,265 Speaker 2: styling last year socks and colored types. In fact, I've 128 00:06:34,345 --> 00:06:37,625 Speaker 2: just ordered another two pairs for winter from this great 129 00:06:37,745 --> 00:06:40,905 Speaker 2: company in Adelaide. It's a nice Australian based I've ordered 130 00:06:40,905 --> 00:06:43,745 Speaker 2: a chocolate and a burgundy. Of course, yeah, because I've 131 00:06:43,745 --> 00:06:46,145 Speaker 2: got a beautiful red from them which I wore heaps. 132 00:06:46,185 --> 00:06:48,985 Speaker 2: But yeah, I really got into socks last year. And 133 00:06:49,105 --> 00:06:52,785 Speaker 2: two things I'll say about socks and stockings. A it's 134 00:06:52,825 --> 00:06:55,905 Speaker 2: a really interesting way to add a little bit of 135 00:06:56,265 --> 00:06:58,665 Speaker 2: visual interest to your outfit, a little bit of quirk, 136 00:06:58,705 --> 00:07:02,185 Speaker 2: a little bit of personality. But it does divide opinions, 137 00:07:03,385 --> 00:07:07,665 Speaker 2: particularly when you show a sock with a sandal, yeah, 138 00:07:07,945 --> 00:07:08,785 Speaker 2: which I love. 139 00:07:09,025 --> 00:07:12,345 Speaker 1: I actually too. I do too. I've done it once 140 00:07:12,425 --> 00:07:15,105 Speaker 1: or twice. I do feel a bit silly, and I 141 00:07:15,185 --> 00:07:16,505 Speaker 1: know I need to get that out of my head. 142 00:07:16,985 --> 00:07:20,345 Speaker 1: I think for me, a sort of sock with a shoe, 143 00:07:20,665 --> 00:07:22,385 Speaker 1: obviously not going to the gym, a sock with a 144 00:07:22,465 --> 00:07:24,545 Speaker 1: shoe in terms of like a flat or a winter thing, 145 00:07:25,025 --> 00:07:26,945 Speaker 1: I really need time to plan out that outfit. It's 146 00:07:26,985 --> 00:07:28,585 Speaker 1: not something I can just chuck on. I need to 147 00:07:29,425 --> 00:07:30,225 Speaker 1: marinate in. 148 00:07:30,185 --> 00:07:33,265 Speaker 2: It, absolutely, And I think that's like anything in terms 149 00:07:33,265 --> 00:07:36,785 Speaker 2: of getting dressing in your personal style, it should be considered. 150 00:07:36,905 --> 00:07:39,545 Speaker 2: And so that's where I built up a collection of 151 00:07:39,625 --> 00:07:42,385 Speaker 2: socks that so, for example, I really love a red 152 00:07:42,425 --> 00:07:44,585 Speaker 2: sock or a red panty hose or a red tight 153 00:07:44,785 --> 00:07:47,785 Speaker 2: And so if you've got a red bag or a 154 00:07:47,785 --> 00:07:51,385 Speaker 2: red shoe or something else red, a red belt, for example, 155 00:07:51,705 --> 00:07:54,585 Speaker 2: then it's just a really lovely tie. And it just 156 00:07:54,665 --> 00:07:57,785 Speaker 2: shows that your whole outfit is quite considered and curated. 157 00:07:58,145 --> 00:08:00,465 Speaker 2: But I do appreciate that for some people, it feels 158 00:08:00,505 --> 00:08:03,465 Speaker 2: a little bit scary, you know, the whole socks and sandals. 159 00:08:03,745 --> 00:08:05,905 Speaker 2: It's not to say every like I'm not talking a 160 00:08:05,945 --> 00:08:09,345 Speaker 2: birkenstock sandal, yes, and a sock or a stocking. I'm 161 00:08:09,345 --> 00:08:14,225 Speaker 2: talking about a beautiful elevated heeled peeto sandal. 162 00:08:14,425 --> 00:08:16,905 Speaker 1: Or like a page sandal, yeah. 163 00:08:17,065 --> 00:08:19,385 Speaker 2: Something like that, or just something that's got like a 164 00:08:19,425 --> 00:08:22,065 Speaker 2: simple strap over the front of the foot, over the 165 00:08:22,105 --> 00:08:25,145 Speaker 2: toes and then strap around the ankle. Love a good 166 00:08:25,145 --> 00:08:28,105 Speaker 2: pointed put with my swing back, and I'm loving slim 167 00:08:28,225 --> 00:08:32,265 Speaker 2: backs with panty hose. And the advantage of it is 168 00:08:32,305 --> 00:08:34,945 Speaker 2: that it really does extend the life of your shoes, 169 00:08:35,025 --> 00:08:37,785 Speaker 2: so to once upon a time, you know, okay, sandals 170 00:08:37,785 --> 00:08:40,785 Speaker 2: are for sandal weather, but why not wear sandal in 171 00:08:40,785 --> 00:08:44,025 Speaker 2: the middle of winter with rather than having to buy 172 00:08:44,705 --> 00:08:46,025 Speaker 2: a whole war drube of boots. 173 00:08:46,185 --> 00:08:48,105 Speaker 1: So you're Melbourne based as well, you know that's a 174 00:08:48,105 --> 00:08:50,425 Speaker 1: great way too. Where I mean a slingback's covered at 175 00:08:50,425 --> 00:08:51,785 Speaker 1: the front, but your heels are a bit cold. But 176 00:08:51,785 --> 00:08:53,545 Speaker 1: if you've got a beautiful stocking or a sock and 177 00:08:53,585 --> 00:08:56,545 Speaker 1: it can look very cool. Matching sets. I want to 178 00:08:56,585 --> 00:08:59,865 Speaker 1: talk about matching sets because for me, I think linen 179 00:08:59,865 --> 00:09:02,505 Speaker 1: shorts and a shirt very summary. But matching sets can 180 00:09:02,545 --> 00:09:06,105 Speaker 1: be anything a suit, that's right, but they have been 181 00:09:06,145 --> 00:09:09,105 Speaker 1: having a huge moment. I generally think more summary, are 182 00:09:09,145 --> 00:09:12,305 Speaker 1: we still feeling a matching set? How do we kind 183 00:09:12,305 --> 00:09:13,345 Speaker 1: of do that for winter. 184 00:09:13,505 --> 00:09:17,385 Speaker 2: Under I think a matching set in whatever form it takes. 185 00:09:17,385 --> 00:09:20,105 Speaker 2: So whether it's as you said, a summer lemon shirt, 186 00:09:20,105 --> 00:09:23,865 Speaker 2: linen short, whether it is a beautiful two piece suit, 187 00:09:23,985 --> 00:09:29,345 Speaker 2: whether it's a skirt in top blouse, whether it's a fun, colorful, 188 00:09:29,585 --> 00:09:34,945 Speaker 2: alime inspired colord. I just think they are something that 189 00:09:35,025 --> 00:09:38,385 Speaker 2: every woman should have in their wardrobe because it's just foolproof. 190 00:09:38,465 --> 00:09:40,985 Speaker 2: They're great for those days that when you're not feeling 191 00:09:41,025 --> 00:09:44,465 Speaker 2: inspired with your wardrobe. Nothing's kind of standing out. You 192 00:09:44,545 --> 00:09:48,585 Speaker 2: put something on that matches and it's just so seamless. 193 00:09:48,705 --> 00:09:49,105 Speaker 1: Yeah. 194 00:09:49,145 --> 00:09:52,345 Speaker 2: So I think going into the winter months, in terms 195 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:54,585 Speaker 2: of matching sets that you'll see around, I mean, it 196 00:09:54,585 --> 00:09:57,345 Speaker 2: can even be a beautiful KNT and matching trouser. 197 00:09:57,585 --> 00:10:02,425 Speaker 1: Yeah, a knit skirt that I never in my head 198 00:10:02,505 --> 00:10:05,185 Speaker 1: categorized as a matching set, because again I'm thinking linen 199 00:10:05,225 --> 00:10:07,745 Speaker 1: beach sets. But the designer thought about it. I didn't. 200 00:10:07,905 --> 00:10:09,425 Speaker 1: It's like putting on a dress, but a bit. 201 00:10:09,385 --> 00:10:12,745 Speaker 2: Most exactly, and that's when you look at it like 202 00:10:12,785 --> 00:10:14,585 Speaker 2: that as well. But yeah, they've put all the hard 203 00:10:14,585 --> 00:10:17,545 Speaker 2: work into it. They have decided that okay, this goes 204 00:10:17,585 --> 00:10:20,625 Speaker 2: with this. It's not only a really simple way to 205 00:10:20,665 --> 00:10:24,665 Speaker 2: get dressed, but it's also, in my opinion, it's so chic. 206 00:10:25,065 --> 00:10:27,985 Speaker 2: It's so cheap and simple and as I said, it's 207 00:10:28,065 --> 00:10:30,625 Speaker 2: kind of full proof. So whether it's a suit, I 208 00:10:30,665 --> 00:10:34,025 Speaker 2: love suits. I always feel my best in a matching suit. 209 00:10:34,545 --> 00:10:37,185 Speaker 2: Adding obviously come winter you can add some boots and 210 00:10:37,225 --> 00:10:40,545 Speaker 2: a beautiful rollnck underneath. But I don't think matching sets 211 00:10:40,585 --> 00:10:43,025 Speaker 2: are going anywhere. And the end of the day, really, 212 00:10:43,025 --> 00:10:46,825 Speaker 2: what it is Lee is was tonal dressing. 213 00:10:46,025 --> 00:10:48,705 Speaker 1: Isn't it, But without having to try and find the 214 00:10:48,785 --> 00:10:50,905 Speaker 1: right color. If they're not a matching set and you've 215 00:10:50,945 --> 00:10:53,065 Speaker 1: got other items, you can then mix and match with 216 00:10:53,105 --> 00:10:54,385 Speaker 1: your jeans, with your other stuff. 217 00:10:54,705 --> 00:10:57,825 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's the other beauty is at the versatility 218 00:10:57,865 --> 00:11:00,905 Speaker 2: to then mix and match the two individual pieces is separate. 219 00:11:00,985 --> 00:11:02,785 Speaker 2: So it's just a it's a win win in my. 220 00:11:03,145 --> 00:11:14,905 Speaker 1: No brain, And they're going nowhere talk to you about 221 00:11:14,945 --> 00:11:18,625 Speaker 1: oversized blazers because I will be buried in one. But 222 00:11:18,705 --> 00:11:22,385 Speaker 1: are we still doing this boxy fit a silhouette slimming down? 223 00:11:22,505 --> 00:11:24,225 Speaker 1: Is it about what we were on the bottom, because 224 00:11:24,225 --> 00:11:25,705 Speaker 1: then I want to ask you about genes which you 225 00:11:25,705 --> 00:11:28,665 Speaker 1: are getting that barrel volumes? So what's happening in the 226 00:11:28,665 --> 00:11:30,065 Speaker 1: oversized blazer section? 227 00:11:30,825 --> 00:11:34,105 Speaker 2: Look, I think with any you open up your kitchen 228 00:11:34,145 --> 00:11:38,185 Speaker 2: cabinet and you need to have a variety of ingredients 229 00:11:38,265 --> 00:11:42,465 Speaker 2: to make a great pasta, etc. Your wardrobe is kind 230 00:11:42,505 --> 00:11:45,745 Speaker 2: of the same. It's just good to have options. So 231 00:11:45,865 --> 00:11:48,665 Speaker 2: whilst you might not be someone who wants an entire 232 00:11:48,825 --> 00:11:53,065 Speaker 2: wardrobe of oversized blazers, it's good to have one or 233 00:11:53,105 --> 00:11:56,745 Speaker 2: two and then you might have variety so that perhaps 234 00:11:56,785 --> 00:12:01,185 Speaker 2: when you do finally get on the barrel leg jean bandwagon, 235 00:12:01,745 --> 00:12:05,505 Speaker 2: and you then put your oversized blazer on and maybe 236 00:12:05,505 --> 00:12:07,985 Speaker 2: feel that it's a little bit too overwhelming that you 237 00:12:08,025 --> 00:12:10,945 Speaker 2: can then put on a blazer if blazers are your things. 238 00:12:11,185 --> 00:12:15,905 Speaker 2: That feels a little bit neater I'm having in the wardrobe. 239 00:12:16,065 --> 00:12:18,465 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we're ever going back, or certainly 240 00:12:18,505 --> 00:12:21,745 Speaker 2: not anytime soon. We're not going back to the Camilla 241 00:12:21,785 --> 00:12:28,705 Speaker 2: and Mark dimmer blazer that was restrictive, tight fitted short. 242 00:12:29,585 --> 00:12:31,505 Speaker 2: We're not going back to that. I think now that 243 00:12:31,585 --> 00:12:36,465 Speaker 2: we've all started to wear more relaxed blazers on our body, 244 00:12:36,505 --> 00:12:39,585 Speaker 2: we realized just goddamn how comfortable they are. So there's 245 00:12:39,585 --> 00:12:40,945 Speaker 2: that side of things as well. 246 00:12:41,145 --> 00:12:43,385 Speaker 1: It's funny you reference that one particularly because I love 247 00:12:43,425 --> 00:12:45,385 Speaker 1: thrifting and often I'm flicking through it. I see a 248 00:12:45,385 --> 00:12:47,425 Speaker 1: Camilla and Make label and oh my god, and I 249 00:12:47,425 --> 00:12:48,905 Speaker 1: pull it out and I'm like, oh, I think it 250 00:12:48,945 --> 00:12:51,665 Speaker 1: was beautiful, but it's that fitted, more kind of classic 251 00:12:51,745 --> 00:12:54,705 Speaker 1: office silhouette that we used to wear. Like, can people 252 00:12:54,705 --> 00:12:57,785 Speaker 1: start getting rid of their oversized Camilla and Mark anytime soon? 253 00:12:58,425 --> 00:13:01,465 Speaker 2: That's right? And yeah, well they will be. But also 254 00:13:01,585 --> 00:13:03,305 Speaker 2: I think there's that fine line for a lot of 255 00:13:03,305 --> 00:13:09,465 Speaker 2: people between oversized and ridiculously oversized. So that's where I 256 00:13:09,585 --> 00:13:12,705 Speaker 2: was say, for someone like me. You know, I'm very tall, 257 00:13:12,825 --> 00:13:16,545 Speaker 2: so I can do that very oversized silhouette because it 258 00:13:16,545 --> 00:13:19,425 Speaker 2: doesn't drown me. Whereas I would just say when I'm 259 00:13:19,425 --> 00:13:22,585 Speaker 2: working with clients, I just use the term relax relax. 260 00:13:22,705 --> 00:13:25,865 Speaker 2: I really like a relaxed blazer. Yes, there is a 261 00:13:25,865 --> 00:13:27,225 Speaker 2: big difference, Denim. 262 00:13:27,545 --> 00:13:29,905 Speaker 1: We've been doing wide leg for a long time. I'm 263 00:13:29,905 --> 00:13:33,105 Speaker 1: into it. I am obsessed with barrel leg or whatever 264 00:13:33,145 --> 00:13:38,225 Speaker 1: we're calling it. It's also called carrots sometimes. Yeah, yeah, Yes, 265 00:13:38,745 --> 00:13:41,665 Speaker 1: there's rumors that Skinny's coming back, which I don't mind 266 00:13:41,665 --> 00:13:44,545 Speaker 1: if people were skinny. I've seen some really chic outfits 267 00:13:44,545 --> 00:13:47,345 Speaker 1: again back with the sort of relaxed or volumeless tops. 268 00:13:47,385 --> 00:13:49,545 Speaker 1: It looks great with a straight leg. How are we 269 00:13:49,625 --> 00:13:50,945 Speaker 1: going with danim? It does anything go? 270 00:13:51,305 --> 00:13:54,985 Speaker 2: Anything goes? To be honest, it's quite interesting, this whole 271 00:13:55,025 --> 00:14:00,385 Speaker 2: barrel leg gene, because I actually got my first I 272 00:14:00,385 --> 00:14:02,225 Speaker 2: mean I didn't even call them a barrel leak. There 273 00:14:02,265 --> 00:14:05,185 Speaker 2: were just this really interesting silhouette. The first ones I bought, 274 00:14:05,305 --> 00:14:08,145 Speaker 2: which were coming up to three years ago from Alpha 275 00:14:08,225 --> 00:14:10,505 Speaker 2: sixty who still do the by the way, and I've 276 00:14:10,505 --> 00:14:14,065 Speaker 2: got them in a beautiful indigo and black, and I've 277 00:14:14,105 --> 00:14:17,265 Speaker 2: done lots of content about the style of Gene and 278 00:14:17,305 --> 00:14:19,345 Speaker 2: again it's a little bit like the socks and sandals. 279 00:14:19,345 --> 00:14:21,745 Speaker 2: People either love it or hate it, and you get 280 00:14:21,785 --> 00:14:24,065 Speaker 2: all the comments, Ah, you look like your bow leged. 281 00:14:24,545 --> 00:14:25,865 Speaker 2: I mean, who cares? 282 00:14:25,905 --> 00:14:26,625 Speaker 1: Who cares? 283 00:14:26,905 --> 00:14:30,665 Speaker 2: I just think that the Blazer conversation that we just had, 284 00:14:30,865 --> 00:14:33,985 Speaker 2: it's just about having variety in your bardrobe. It's like 285 00:14:34,065 --> 00:14:37,265 Speaker 2: the tools in your toolbox. And whether you have a 286 00:14:37,305 --> 00:14:40,505 Speaker 2: skinny pair of jeans, a barrel leg, a high rise 287 00:14:40,585 --> 00:14:44,145 Speaker 2: wide leg, a boyfriend style, it's great to have a 288 00:14:44,185 --> 00:14:46,465 Speaker 2: bit of variety because you can kind of change up 289 00:14:46,465 --> 00:14:49,225 Speaker 2: your look constantly with a great pair of jeans. But 290 00:14:49,625 --> 00:14:53,625 Speaker 2: if you aren't on the barrel leg jean wagon, will 291 00:14:53,665 --> 00:14:56,065 Speaker 2: they be at any year's time? I don't think so. 292 00:14:56,185 --> 00:14:59,465 Speaker 2: I just think they're another silhouette to have in your 293 00:14:59,505 --> 00:15:01,745 Speaker 2: wardrobe that you pull out when you want to put 294 00:15:01,785 --> 00:15:04,825 Speaker 2: a look together. Look that kind of feels the way 295 00:15:04,865 --> 00:15:08,185 Speaker 2: you want to feel that day. So anything goes anything, 296 00:15:08,265 --> 00:15:09,945 Speaker 2: and there's so goddamn comfortab. 297 00:15:10,025 --> 00:15:11,945 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I bought a pair of thrifted 298 00:15:11,985 --> 00:15:14,705 Speaker 1: ones probably about three years ago when I was in 299 00:15:14,985 --> 00:15:17,825 Speaker 1: Texas in Dallas, and again I didn't even know what 300 00:15:17,945 --> 00:15:19,905 Speaker 1: they were, as you. I mean, they have the best 301 00:15:20,465 --> 00:15:23,065 Speaker 1: vintage over there, and I was looking back at old 302 00:15:23,105 --> 00:15:25,705 Speaker 1: photos and the reason now I know they're barrel legg 303 00:15:25,705 --> 00:15:27,305 Speaker 1: but I just thought they were cool and vintage. And 304 00:15:27,385 --> 00:15:29,065 Speaker 1: I don't have much of an ankle. I've got to 305 00:15:29,145 --> 00:15:31,025 Speaker 1: sort of just go to leg foot and so the 306 00:15:31,065 --> 00:15:33,505 Speaker 1: illusion of the balloony kind of gives you a bit 307 00:15:33,505 --> 00:15:37,145 Speaker 1: of an ankle with little kitten hell and come see comfee. 308 00:15:37,185 --> 00:15:39,745 Speaker 1: So I don't think they're going anywhere. They're just peaking now. 309 00:15:39,785 --> 00:15:40,905 Speaker 1: But they've always been around. 310 00:15:41,385 --> 00:15:43,305 Speaker 2: They have been around. And you know the other thing 311 00:15:43,425 --> 00:15:45,305 Speaker 2: that I think, and again it's a bit of a myth. 312 00:15:45,345 --> 00:15:47,945 Speaker 2: And I know one of our questions today is about 313 00:15:48,425 --> 00:15:51,265 Speaker 2: rules and things like that, but I think what women 314 00:15:51,305 --> 00:15:54,025 Speaker 2: don't realize until they try on that style of gene. 315 00:15:54,065 --> 00:15:57,825 Speaker 2: I'm claiming the word flattering because it's not a negative word, no, 316 00:15:57,985 --> 00:16:01,905 Speaker 2: but they are so flattering on many women's shapes. 317 00:16:01,705 --> 00:16:03,505 Speaker 1: And because you dress them on for a living, so 318 00:16:03,545 --> 00:16:05,745 Speaker 1: it's not just on you. You've seen them on so many. 319 00:16:05,545 --> 00:16:09,745 Speaker 2: People because they follow the curves, the natural curve of 320 00:16:09,865 --> 00:16:14,025 Speaker 2: most women's bodies. I agree, Yeah, they're really beautiful. Gene 321 00:16:14,105 --> 00:16:15,545 Speaker 2: pro barrel forever. 322 00:16:16,025 --> 00:16:19,665 Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to me about some winter shoes, specifically ballet flats, 323 00:16:20,025 --> 00:16:23,665 Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm a loafer for life. I love loafers. 324 00:16:23,825 --> 00:16:26,505 Speaker 1: I just find them more comfortable. Ballet flat seem to 325 00:16:26,505 --> 00:16:28,665 Speaker 1: be everywhere. There is even an offshoot like that at 326 00:16:28,745 --> 00:16:34,305 Speaker 1: leisure wear ballet flat gross say that I wanted to 327 00:16:34,345 --> 00:16:36,105 Speaker 1: try and do it, and then I just felt silly 328 00:16:36,105 --> 00:16:38,025 Speaker 1: and I reminded myself that I don't have to do 329 00:16:38,105 --> 00:16:38,945 Speaker 1: every trend. Yeah. 330 00:16:39,025 --> 00:16:41,545 Speaker 2: Look, I'll never say evenly, but no, that doesn't appeal 331 00:16:41,585 --> 00:16:41,865 Speaker 2: to me. 332 00:16:41,945 --> 00:16:44,225 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels a bit flash in the pan for me. 333 00:16:44,385 --> 00:16:45,985 Speaker 2: And I love a bit of that leisure wear, but 334 00:16:46,105 --> 00:16:50,025 Speaker 2: not those No, Okay, I think a traditional ballet flat. 335 00:16:50,145 --> 00:16:53,105 Speaker 2: When we think of the silhouette of that traditional ballet flat, 336 00:16:53,105 --> 00:16:56,825 Speaker 2: do you remember sand Bag? I'm still around, and I 337 00:16:56,825 --> 00:17:00,265 Speaker 2: think if we think of that very classic style, personally, 338 00:17:00,545 --> 00:17:03,345 Speaker 2: I don't love that so much these days. I really 339 00:17:03,345 --> 00:17:05,505 Speaker 2: love a ballet flat that covers a little bit more 340 00:17:05,545 --> 00:17:07,465 Speaker 2: of the foot, almost a bit like I call it 341 00:17:07,505 --> 00:17:08,945 Speaker 2: a glove style ballet. 342 00:17:09,065 --> 00:17:11,865 Speaker 1: That what do you call it? See, I call toe cleavage, 343 00:17:11,865 --> 00:17:13,985 Speaker 1: So I say, there's like no toe cleavage because it's 344 00:17:14,025 --> 00:17:15,185 Speaker 1: coming up quite high. 345 00:17:15,465 --> 00:17:19,025 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that is so chic and polished. 346 00:17:18,585 --> 00:17:20,185 Speaker 1: And you can walk better, you don't have to kind 347 00:17:20,185 --> 00:17:21,225 Speaker 1: of hold them on as much. 348 00:17:21,585 --> 00:17:25,105 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then it also lends itself much better to 349 00:17:25,425 --> 00:17:28,545 Speaker 2: then doing a potentially little fun sock or a panty 350 00:17:28,585 --> 00:17:29,025 Speaker 2: hot ah. 351 00:17:29,225 --> 00:17:31,905 Speaker 1: Yeah, true, without looking like you're addressed as a little 352 00:17:31,905 --> 00:17:34,705 Speaker 1: girl or anything like that, you know. Yeah, and a 353 00:17:34,785 --> 00:17:36,425 Speaker 1: square toe we're seeing a bit. 354 00:17:36,865 --> 00:17:39,105 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do love that little bit of a square toe. 355 00:17:39,145 --> 00:17:42,225 Speaker 2: I think that's a really cool sheek look. Obviously it's 356 00:17:42,225 --> 00:17:43,905 Speaker 2: still got the pointed toe, which I don't know whether 357 00:17:43,945 --> 00:17:47,225 Speaker 2: you're technically call that a ballet flight probably not, But yeah, 358 00:17:47,265 --> 00:17:49,385 Speaker 2: I like a little bit of a square toe rather 359 00:17:49,465 --> 00:17:53,545 Speaker 2: than that traditional dainty round toe. So a square toe 360 00:17:53,625 --> 00:17:55,625 Speaker 2: is very cool. And then I'm sure you've seen a 361 00:17:55,665 --> 00:17:58,225 Speaker 2: lot of Mary Jane ballet flats are around as well. 362 00:17:58,265 --> 00:18:00,065 Speaker 2: We kind of strapped across the top of the foot 363 00:18:00,545 --> 00:18:03,065 Speaker 2: and look cool as well. A lot of the feedback 364 00:18:03,145 --> 00:18:06,105 Speaker 2: I've had from our hollowers on Instagram when I started 365 00:18:06,105 --> 00:18:08,705 Speaker 2: talking about ballet flats. And again this is just where 366 00:18:08,705 --> 00:18:12,705 Speaker 2: people's thinking can be so rigid. People think back to 367 00:18:12,945 --> 00:18:15,385 Speaker 2: old ballet flats, you know, and how they were so 368 00:18:15,625 --> 00:18:20,105 Speaker 2: flat and uncomfortable. Yes, but shoes have changed a lot. 369 00:18:20,625 --> 00:18:23,465 Speaker 2: All I say is go and try a ballet flat 370 00:18:23,505 --> 00:18:26,545 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, Yes, and see how you feel. Yeah, 371 00:18:26,585 --> 00:18:28,745 Speaker 2: I can wear them all day round. Yeah, the ones 372 00:18:28,785 --> 00:18:30,665 Speaker 2: that I wear are so comfortable. 373 00:18:30,905 --> 00:18:33,985 Speaker 1: And try different brands, you know, like with Barefootwear and 374 00:18:34,025 --> 00:18:36,745 Speaker 1: Frankie four and you know, Joe Mercer are some of 375 00:18:36,745 --> 00:18:39,225 Speaker 1: the cumpfyis shoes I've ever worn. So it might be 376 00:18:39,305 --> 00:18:41,265 Speaker 1: brands that you might have thought are daggy or that 377 00:18:41,385 --> 00:18:42,945 Speaker 1: you just aren't for you. But if you're going to 378 00:18:42,985 --> 00:18:44,585 Speaker 1: wear them day and day out, go try them on 379 00:18:44,625 --> 00:18:46,625 Speaker 1: and make sure that they're going to be comfortable, because 380 00:18:46,665 --> 00:18:48,705 Speaker 1: a cheap ballet flat or a one that's not made 381 00:18:48,745 --> 00:18:50,705 Speaker 1: well might be too thin. I mean I wore a 382 00:18:50,785 --> 00:18:53,705 Speaker 1: pair in London late last year and walked thirty thousand 383 00:18:53,705 --> 00:18:56,905 Speaker 1: steps and my back was buggered because I had no support. Yeah, 384 00:18:56,905 --> 00:18:59,105 Speaker 1: and I thought a flat shoe, I'll be fine, But no, 385 00:18:59,145 --> 00:19:12,705 Speaker 1: they're not all the same. It's very expensive. 386 00:19:13,505 --> 00:19:13,985 Speaker 2: How Wondred. 387 00:19:17,705 --> 00:19:21,185 Speaker 1: We're just going to bring things that on the theme 388 00:19:21,225 --> 00:19:23,585 Speaker 1: of dos and don'ts, but things just we love or 389 00:19:23,625 --> 00:19:26,305 Speaker 1: that are instant style updates or that kind of illustrate 390 00:19:26,305 --> 00:19:29,665 Speaker 1: what we've talked about. Yeah, let's start with bougie. Let's 391 00:19:29,665 --> 00:19:31,385 Speaker 1: go high first. What's okay? 392 00:19:31,425 --> 00:19:33,945 Speaker 2: Well, this is a bit bougie. Then, Funnily enough, I 393 00:19:33,985 --> 00:19:36,465 Speaker 2: had no idea that we were going to talk about 394 00:19:36,545 --> 00:19:42,225 Speaker 2: barrel leg jeans. So coincidentally, my bougie purchase was not 395 00:19:42,345 --> 00:19:45,945 Speaker 2: my purchase. Sorry's just to find is the barrel jeans 396 00:19:45,985 --> 00:19:46,785 Speaker 2: from Lowaiba. 397 00:19:47,225 --> 00:19:49,265 Speaker 1: Oh don't but I've. 398 00:19:49,105 --> 00:19:55,025 Speaker 2: Specifically chosen a beautiful indigo blue denim and they are 399 00:19:55,345 --> 00:19:57,145 Speaker 2: one and seventy two dollars. 400 00:19:57,265 --> 00:19:59,985 Speaker 1: Oh my god. If I won the lotto, I would 401 00:20:00,025 --> 00:20:02,705 Speaker 1: go straight There are they highways? 402 00:20:02,825 --> 00:20:04,305 Speaker 2: Yep, I'll send you the link. 403 00:20:04,505 --> 00:20:07,105 Speaker 1: No, don't, don't send me the note. I mean, we'll 404 00:20:07,105 --> 00:20:08,945 Speaker 1: put it in the show notes, but don't send it 405 00:20:08,985 --> 00:20:12,025 Speaker 1: to me personally. That leather jacket that they've done this season, 406 00:20:12,025 --> 00:20:13,345 Speaker 1: the chocolate jacket with. 407 00:20:13,305 --> 00:20:15,025 Speaker 2: The gathered logo, amazing. 408 00:20:15,025 --> 00:20:18,225 Speaker 1: As soon as I win, my bougie is not bougie 409 00:20:18,305 --> 00:20:21,945 Speaker 1: at all, but it's more expensive and less fabric than 410 00:20:21,945 --> 00:20:23,985 Speaker 1: my budget. I'm going really good here. And it's funny 411 00:20:23,985 --> 00:20:26,225 Speaker 1: because just as we started recording, I was buying this, 412 00:20:26,305 --> 00:20:28,425 Speaker 1: so I haven't got it yet, but I clicked by 413 00:20:28,505 --> 00:20:32,985 Speaker 1: online because I have wanted a chocolate leather belt real 414 00:20:33,025 --> 00:20:35,105 Speaker 1: and I wanted a real leather and look there everywhere 415 00:20:35,105 --> 00:20:36,465 Speaker 1: for you know, one hundred and twenty one hundred and 416 00:20:36,505 --> 00:20:39,625 Speaker 1: thirty dollars and I just thought, really, I mean sure, 417 00:20:40,185 --> 00:20:42,505 Speaker 1: But then I just chucked it into Google, didn't I 418 00:20:42,505 --> 00:20:45,385 Speaker 1: I clicked purchase right as we started chatting Sally. The 419 00:20:45,465 --> 00:20:49,785 Speaker 1: Italian leather Garrison belt. It's Men's from Uniglow. 420 00:20:50,425 --> 00:20:52,105 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to be clicking on that link on 421 00:20:52,265 --> 00:20:53,065 Speaker 2: it's so good. 422 00:20:53,105 --> 00:20:56,505 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful sort of matte leather because some affordable 423 00:20:56,505 --> 00:20:59,545 Speaker 1: belts and sometimes look cheap. And then it kind of 424 00:20:59,585 --> 00:21:02,105 Speaker 1: just a little very simple brushed buckle of like a 425 00:21:02,145 --> 00:21:03,105 Speaker 1: goldie bronze. 426 00:21:03,145 --> 00:21:05,065 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what color the buckle was. 427 00:21:05,145 --> 00:21:07,505 Speaker 1: Yeah, the black has a silver, but no the brown, 428 00:21:07,585 --> 00:21:09,625 Speaker 1: and it is forty nine ninety five. I got a 429 00:21:09,785 --> 00:21:12,745 Speaker 1: medium in the men's. I do find you indigo size 430 00:21:12,825 --> 00:21:14,745 Speaker 1: is quite small, so I'm sure that's fine. But I've 431 00:21:14,785 --> 00:21:18,665 Speaker 1: got from my grandmother one of those traditional old belt 432 00:21:18,705 --> 00:21:22,385 Speaker 1: hole punches that I inherited. Yeah, it's got a wheel 433 00:21:22,425 --> 00:21:24,185 Speaker 1: with all different and you just punch a hole. 434 00:21:24,225 --> 00:21:26,265 Speaker 2: And I just borrow that from you. 435 00:21:26,305 --> 00:21:28,065 Speaker 1: No one knows I've got it because I wouldn't get 436 00:21:28,065 --> 00:21:31,945 Speaker 1: it back. It's so fair now they do now, all right, 437 00:21:31,985 --> 00:21:33,065 Speaker 1: what's your budget? 438 00:21:33,425 --> 00:21:36,865 Speaker 2: Okay? If the low Way barrel leg indigo jeans at 439 00:21:37,105 --> 00:21:39,625 Speaker 2: over one thousand dollars or a bit out of your budget, 440 00:21:40,385 --> 00:21:43,065 Speaker 2: I suggest you head into your local cotton On store 441 00:21:43,105 --> 00:21:47,785 Speaker 2: this weekend. Well, they're equally dark indigo barrel leg jean 442 00:21:47,865 --> 00:21:50,705 Speaker 2: that is currently on sale. Oh my gosh, and he's 443 00:21:50,825 --> 00:21:52,585 Speaker 2: forty nine dollars. Wow. 444 00:21:52,625 --> 00:21:54,225 Speaker 1: How do they full price? 445 00:21:54,665 --> 00:21:55,545 Speaker 2: Seventy dollars? 446 00:21:55,585 --> 00:21:59,865 Speaker 1: Wow? I know see there everywhere, aren't they? They're denim, agreed, honestly. 447 00:21:59,945 --> 00:22:02,105 Speaker 1: I mean we all wish we could shop designer, But 448 00:22:02,145 --> 00:22:03,745 Speaker 1: at the same time, even if I had the money, 449 00:22:03,745 --> 00:22:06,265 Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't, you know, bar one or two pieces 450 00:22:06,305 --> 00:22:09,305 Speaker 1: because there's such great affordable fashion out there. Well, I 451 00:22:09,345 --> 00:22:11,945 Speaker 1: wanted to bring something that I've been wearing untucked. It's 452 00:22:11,945 --> 00:22:14,665 Speaker 1: from Big w It's very cool. It's called the nineteen 453 00:22:14,745 --> 00:22:19,025 Speaker 1: sixty four denim company Women's shack it, so when I 454 00:22:19,065 --> 00:22:21,025 Speaker 1: wear it, it looks like a denim shirt, but it's 455 00:22:21,065 --> 00:22:24,625 Speaker 1: that midweight that's really good for transseasonal. Not quite a jacket, 456 00:22:24,825 --> 00:22:29,025 Speaker 1: not quite a shirt. Thirty five dollars ie sized up. 457 00:22:29,065 --> 00:22:31,585 Speaker 1: I actually got a twelve, and it's so cool because 458 00:22:31,585 --> 00:22:33,545 Speaker 1: I've been wearing with a lot of sheer or sequin 459 00:22:33,625 --> 00:22:37,425 Speaker 1: long skirts because the kind of heavier weight and casual, 460 00:22:37,785 --> 00:22:41,945 Speaker 1: more masculine denim but with a feminine bottom. I'm loving it. 461 00:22:42,145 --> 00:22:44,785 Speaker 1: I don't tuck it in. It's lightweight enough to tuck 462 00:22:44,785 --> 00:22:45,985 Speaker 1: in if you did want to kind of do a 463 00:22:46,025 --> 00:22:48,025 Speaker 1: double denim or a wide leg pant. 464 00:22:47,945 --> 00:22:49,545 Speaker 2: So you could button it up and wear it as 465 00:22:49,585 --> 00:22:50,025 Speaker 2: a shirt. 466 00:22:50,505 --> 00:22:52,905 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely you could. But I button it up all 467 00:22:52,905 --> 00:22:55,385 Speaker 1: the way anywhere we're out because I've got sort of 468 00:22:55,385 --> 00:22:58,665 Speaker 1: little lulu lemon bloomers under my shear stuff, so I'm 469 00:22:58,705 --> 00:23:01,225 Speaker 1: not going to flash my full undies, but i still 470 00:23:01,265 --> 00:23:04,065 Speaker 1: don't really want people to see what's under the skirt, 471 00:23:04,145 --> 00:23:06,385 Speaker 1: so it just sits sort of past the bum, not 472 00:23:06,465 --> 00:23:08,705 Speaker 1: quite in to go, but quite a dark denim, so 473 00:23:08,745 --> 00:23:11,105 Speaker 1: it's not too casual, and it's just the perfect medium 474 00:23:11,105 --> 00:23:13,265 Speaker 1: weight and it's thirty five dollars so you. 475 00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:16,145 Speaker 2: Could do that with the cotton on barrel, Jean, Oh. 476 00:23:15,985 --> 00:23:19,585 Speaker 1: My god, bargain bargain while we save up for our 477 00:23:19,665 --> 00:23:20,625 Speaker 1: fancy designer. 478 00:23:21,025 --> 00:23:24,185 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. It's funny you mentioned that she's skirtly. 479 00:23:24,385 --> 00:23:28,065 Speaker 2: I I feel like you Sydney girls are loving that 480 00:23:28,345 --> 00:23:30,305 Speaker 2: look at the moment, or maybe just everyone in the 481 00:23:30,345 --> 00:23:31,225 Speaker 2: mum and me offices. 482 00:23:31,465 --> 00:23:32,585 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, me has started. 483 00:23:32,585 --> 00:23:34,865 Speaker 2: It's quite common. Yeah, seen me a wear it. 484 00:23:34,905 --> 00:23:36,745 Speaker 1: And you know why, I also love it because again, 485 00:23:36,785 --> 00:23:39,065 Speaker 1: I do a lot of thrifting. I will find a 486 00:23:39,105 --> 00:23:41,425 Speaker 1: really great dress, but maybe I don't like the top, 487 00:23:41,665 --> 00:23:45,625 Speaker 1: and so as it's getting cooler, I've either literally cut 488 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:47,505 Speaker 1: the top off and then used to belt to keep 489 00:23:47,505 --> 00:23:49,625 Speaker 1: the skirt on, or I just wear now that it's 490 00:23:49,625 --> 00:23:51,745 Speaker 1: getting cooler. You know, a chunky knit over the top, 491 00:23:51,785 --> 00:23:53,665 Speaker 1: and I've got a lovely skirt and no one knows 492 00:23:53,705 --> 00:23:55,905 Speaker 1: what's under there. So if you've got a beautiful an 493 00:23:55,945 --> 00:23:59,065 Speaker 1: evening dress or the top's way too dressy, chuck on 494 00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:02,225 Speaker 1: a knit and you've got a skirt. Sally, thank you 495 00:24:02,305 --> 00:24:04,065 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. I'd love to sit next 496 00:24:04,105 --> 00:24:05,545 Speaker 1: to you on a long haul flight because we could 497 00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:09,865 Speaker 1: just talk fashion time. Please come back soon, and thank 498 00:24:09,905 --> 00:24:13,025 Speaker 1: you so much for joining me. Thank you Lee, thank 499 00:24:13,065 --> 00:24:15,385 Speaker 1: you for listening to Nothing to Wear, and don't forget 500 00:24:15,385 --> 00:24:17,505 Speaker 1: to sign up to the matching newsletter. There's a link 501 00:24:17,545 --> 00:24:20,305 Speaker 1: in the show notes and it's free. See you next week. 502 00:24:20,825 --> 00:24:23,945 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Molly Harwood, with audio production 503 00:24:24,065 --> 00:24:24,785 Speaker 1: by Lou Hill.