1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,304 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,424 --> 00:00:18,984 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:27,264 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, 4 00:00:27,344 --> 00:00:30,824 Speaker 1: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick and today 5 00:00:30,864 --> 00:00:33,984 Speaker 1: I'm joined by the one, the only, Tina Berg. Mama 6 00:00:33,984 --> 00:00:36,744 Speaker 1: Me is pop culture and social editor and it's so 7 00:00:36,784 --> 00:00:39,344 Speaker 1: important that you're here today because we have I know, 8 00:00:39,504 --> 00:00:41,544 Speaker 1: like a lot of the time, I'm super dramatic, but 9 00:00:41,584 --> 00:00:44,824 Speaker 1: I'm not being dramatic. Yeah, who's ever said that about me? 10 00:00:44,864 --> 00:00:47,424 Speaker 1: Except every single person who's ever met me. Today, we 11 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:51,824 Speaker 1: have truly shocking, shocking news that Keith Urban and Nicole 12 00:00:51,904 --> 00:00:55,584 Speaker 1: Kidman are separating and heading for divorce. Neither of them 13 00:00:55,624 --> 00:00:58,784 Speaker 1: have confirmed that, but there is so much backstory. There's 14 00:00:58,784 --> 00:01:00,824 Speaker 1: so many sources that have come forward, there are so 15 00:01:00,864 --> 00:01:02,504 Speaker 1: many clues that have led to it. There are so 16 00:01:02,504 --> 00:01:04,264 Speaker 1: many things that aren't being said that we kind of 17 00:01:04,304 --> 00:01:06,464 Speaker 1: need to wait into. So we're going to get into 18 00:01:06,464 --> 00:01:10,064 Speaker 1: the Nicole Kidman and Keith Urbans separation, but before that 19 00:01:10,104 --> 00:01:12,424 Speaker 1: will move on to some other news that just seems 20 00:01:12,464 --> 00:01:14,224 Speaker 1: really important when it came out, but in light of 21 00:01:14,784 --> 00:01:16,824 Speaker 1: the loss of love and hope in the world that 22 00:01:16,904 --> 00:01:20,504 Speaker 1: is Nicole and Keith. Bad Bunny headlining the next super 23 00:01:20,544 --> 00:01:24,264 Speaker 1: Bowl doesn't really feel that exciting. Yeah, poor Bad Bunny 24 00:01:24,504 --> 00:01:25,344 Speaker 1: was just this moment. 25 00:01:25,424 --> 00:01:27,704 Speaker 2: He was like, here's my announcement and then Australian people 26 00:01:27,704 --> 00:01:29,624 Speaker 2: come in and they're like, actually we're getting divorced and 27 00:01:29,664 --> 00:01:32,344 Speaker 2: now we're stealing the headlines. But good for Bad Bunny 28 00:01:32,384 --> 00:01:34,224 Speaker 2: headlining the super Bowl. Very exciting. 29 00:01:34,584 --> 00:01:37,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't mind his music, and I 30 00:01:37,624 --> 00:01:39,264 Speaker 1: know that he's one of the biggest pop stars in 31 00:01:39,264 --> 00:01:41,504 Speaker 1: the world. He's got so many hits and people love him, 32 00:01:41,664 --> 00:01:43,224 Speaker 1: and I do think like you'll put on a bit 33 00:01:43,224 --> 00:01:44,904 Speaker 1: of a spectacle, which is what kind of what you 34 00:01:44,944 --> 00:01:47,464 Speaker 1: want for the super Bowl. For me, nothing will ever 35 00:01:47,544 --> 00:01:49,904 Speaker 1: top like eminem and Snoop Dogg in fifty cent. I 36 00:01:49,944 --> 00:01:52,184 Speaker 1: mean that was cinema. That was drama. But I even 37 00:01:52,264 --> 00:01:54,744 Speaker 1: missed the days of like Katy Perry taking over, like 38 00:01:54,824 --> 00:01:59,504 Speaker 1: doing like an arena spectacular, or Jennifer Lopez and Shakira 39 00:02:00,024 --> 00:02:03,104 Speaker 1: just doing like the greatest like dance pop mesh up 40 00:02:03,144 --> 00:02:03,584 Speaker 1: on stage. 41 00:02:03,664 --> 00:02:05,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, the year where it was like Beyonce, Bruno Mars 42 00:02:05,824 --> 00:02:08,624 Speaker 2: and Coldplay, like just this mom that was rio and 43 00:02:08,624 --> 00:02:10,624 Speaker 2: then they're singeing like that was amazing, and then. 44 00:02:10,584 --> 00:02:13,064 Speaker 1: Rihanna was good, but it was so overshadowed by everyone 45 00:02:13,064 --> 00:02:14,824 Speaker 1: being like, oh, we allowed to say she's pregnant. 46 00:02:14,904 --> 00:02:19,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, we barely watched story, being like she wasn't even 47 00:02:19,024 --> 00:02:20,384 Speaker 2: meant to reveal it, but the pants. 48 00:02:20,224 --> 00:02:21,544 Speaker 1: Wouldn't do us. Yeah broke. 49 00:02:21,584 --> 00:02:23,424 Speaker 2: So she's like, well, I'm pregnant, and everyone's like can 50 00:02:23,504 --> 00:02:26,064 Speaker 2: we right, And so we weren't even like really watching 51 00:02:26,064 --> 00:02:28,584 Speaker 2: her performance even though it was not incredible. So yeah, 52 00:02:28,824 --> 00:02:31,504 Speaker 2: bad Bunny will be great. Obviously a lot of people 53 00:02:31,704 --> 00:02:33,744 Speaker 2: thought it was going to be Taylor Swift. Yeah, but 54 00:02:33,784 --> 00:02:37,304 Speaker 2: that was actually never, ever, ever, ever going to happen. Right, 55 00:02:37,664 --> 00:02:40,584 Speaker 2: It's a sweeping declaration, but that's how I feel. So 56 00:02:40,904 --> 00:02:43,424 Speaker 2: the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodall said like at the start 57 00:02:43,424 --> 00:02:45,544 Speaker 2: of September that she was like welcome any time, because 58 00:02:45,544 --> 00:02:46,544 Speaker 2: obviously they'd start. 59 00:02:46,384 --> 00:02:48,824 Speaker 1: Well, she's welcome anytime. She's the biggest music star in 60 00:02:48,864 --> 00:02:51,184 Speaker 1: the world. That's like us saying Nicole Kimmen's welcome to 61 00:02:51,184 --> 00:02:53,264 Speaker 1: come on this podcasting time, Like, of course she is. 62 00:02:54,224 --> 00:02:56,304 Speaker 2: I think Taylor Swift like maybe one day, but I 63 00:02:56,344 --> 00:02:58,304 Speaker 2: think in this instance, people started to be like, she's 64 00:02:58,344 --> 00:03:00,064 Speaker 2: definitely going to do the super Bowl because of some 65 00:03:00,144 --> 00:03:02,624 Speaker 2: things that she had said on the New Heights podcast. 66 00:03:02,864 --> 00:03:04,784 Speaker 2: And I'm sorry to say, but like she's talking about 67 00:03:04,784 --> 00:03:07,104 Speaker 2: sourdough because she loves sourdough bread, not because of the 68 00:03:07,144 --> 00:03:10,064 Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine ers mascot, which is a man. 69 00:03:09,864 --> 00:03:13,304 Speaker 1: Called mister Yeah. But look, also, she's trained her audience 70 00:03:13,344 --> 00:03:15,384 Speaker 1: to think she has, so I'm not again, I'm not 71 00:03:15,384 --> 00:03:17,744 Speaker 1: calling anyone stupid for thinking that we hid in clues 72 00:03:17,824 --> 00:03:19,744 Speaker 1: or anything like that, because she has trained her audience 73 00:03:19,784 --> 00:03:20,464 Speaker 1: to think she has. 74 00:03:20,544 --> 00:03:21,984 Speaker 2: And there were things that she said that you could 75 00:03:21,984 --> 00:03:25,904 Speaker 2: absolutely line up to Super Bowl relating things. My reasoning 76 00:03:25,944 --> 00:03:27,944 Speaker 2: for thinking that she would never do it one is 77 00:03:27,944 --> 00:03:29,744 Speaker 2: that you don't get paid to be a Super Bowl performer, 78 00:03:30,184 --> 00:03:32,584 Speaker 2: and you do it for exposure to a new audience 79 00:03:32,744 --> 00:03:34,264 Speaker 2: or also just for like the chance to say that 80 00:03:34,304 --> 00:03:36,184 Speaker 2: you did it. So on the one hand, I kind 81 00:03:36,184 --> 00:03:37,664 Speaker 2: of think maybe one day she would do it. But 82 00:03:37,744 --> 00:03:39,904 Speaker 2: if there's one artist who does not eat exposure right now, 83 00:03:39,944 --> 00:03:42,424 Speaker 2: it's Taylor Swift. She wants to do things like on 84 00:03:42,464 --> 00:03:45,304 Speaker 2: her terms, curated in her way. She's not just trying 85 00:03:45,304 --> 00:03:47,504 Speaker 2: to get attention. She wants the right attention, and she 86 00:03:47,504 --> 00:03:50,144 Speaker 2: also wants ownership of the things that she does. So 87 00:03:50,184 --> 00:03:53,064 Speaker 2: there were some reports around that like she was in talks, 88 00:03:53,104 --> 00:03:55,544 Speaker 2: but she said no because of the fact that she 89 00:03:55,664 --> 00:03:57,624 Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to own the Super Bowl footage and if 90 00:03:57,624 --> 00:03:59,424 Speaker 2: she did it, she wanted to own it. The reason 91 00:03:59,464 --> 00:04:01,544 Speaker 2: I don't think those reports are true is that no one, 92 00:04:01,624 --> 00:04:04,624 Speaker 2: like People magazine, said anything about that. Yeah, so they 93 00:04:04,664 --> 00:04:07,264 Speaker 2: reported in the gossip and they were like, oh, here's 94 00:04:07,264 --> 00:04:10,104 Speaker 2: what fans think. But if there was any legitimacy to this, 95 00:04:10,424 --> 00:04:14,384 Speaker 2: be a close source in People magazine, also probably known 96 00:04:14,384 --> 00:04:16,664 Speaker 2: as tree Pain telling them yet we're in discussions. 97 00:04:16,704 --> 00:04:17,104 Speaker 1: No, we're not. 98 00:04:17,384 --> 00:04:19,824 Speaker 2: So there were no kind of legitimate publications covering the 99 00:04:19,864 --> 00:04:21,224 Speaker 2: idea that she would be doing it. 100 00:04:21,584 --> 00:04:24,584 Speaker 1: And for me personally, I feel like they don't deserve her. 101 00:04:25,144 --> 00:04:29,224 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, But the NFL audience, the audience, the fans, oh, 102 00:04:29,264 --> 00:04:32,464 Speaker 1: the ones who boo her sometimes she was booed at 103 00:04:32,584 --> 00:04:34,504 Speaker 1: last year's Super Bowl. They treated her horribly. 104 00:04:34,624 --> 00:04:36,544 Speaker 2: She's obviously made jokes about her, and she clearly is 105 00:04:36,584 --> 00:04:38,584 Speaker 2: a bit like, that's none of my business. If you 106 00:04:38,584 --> 00:04:41,024 Speaker 2: guys hate me, that's fine, but they do not deserve 107 00:04:41,024 --> 00:04:42,904 Speaker 2: her to come on their stage and give them. 108 00:04:42,704 --> 00:04:43,864 Speaker 1: The show of a lifetime. 109 00:04:43,944 --> 00:04:46,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't get that from miss Swift. She's protecting 110 00:04:46,704 --> 00:04:47,264 Speaker 2: her energy. 111 00:04:47,344 --> 00:04:49,704 Speaker 1: Now. Sorry, I thought we had a hard course fifty 112 00:04:49,704 --> 00:04:51,064 Speaker 1: in the room, batten down the hatchet. 113 00:04:51,144 --> 00:04:52,824 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think she would. For what could 114 00:04:52,824 --> 00:04:55,744 Speaker 2: potentially be if Travis Kelsey makes it to the super Bowl, 115 00:04:55,744 --> 00:04:58,304 Speaker 2: this could be his last ever super Bowl, his last 116 00:04:58,304 --> 00:05:02,384 Speaker 2: ever professional football game. I don't think Taylor Swift would 117 00:05:02,424 --> 00:05:04,504 Speaker 2: use that moment to make it her perform. 118 00:05:04,584 --> 00:05:07,264 Speaker 1: What I was thinking, because she's always been so careful 119 00:05:07,304 --> 00:05:10,744 Speaker 1: about going to those football games are called I was 120 00:05:10,744 --> 00:05:13,784 Speaker 1: like football performance performances that she goes to the football concerts, 121 00:05:14,224 --> 00:05:16,904 Speaker 1: and she is, you know, she's very polite. You were 122 00:05:16,944 --> 00:05:19,264 Speaker 1: walking and see the footage. She sits up in the 123 00:05:19,424 --> 00:05:22,104 Speaker 1: little glass box and she drinks her little red drink 124 00:05:22,504 --> 00:05:25,024 Speaker 1: and she seems okay that she knows the camera's on her, 125 00:05:25,064 --> 00:05:27,824 Speaker 1: but she doesn't seem like she's trying to like draw attention, 126 00:05:27,904 --> 00:05:31,104 Speaker 1: and she's very aware that Like it's Travis's moment, the 127 00:05:31,104 --> 00:05:32,784 Speaker 1: same way when he was at her concerts. It's like 128 00:05:32,944 --> 00:05:34,864 Speaker 1: he seems very aware that it's her moment and he 129 00:05:34,864 --> 00:05:36,744 Speaker 1: doesn't try and make it about him most of the time. 130 00:05:37,264 --> 00:05:39,944 Speaker 1: And even like every time she's gone down onto the field, 131 00:05:40,504 --> 00:05:43,304 Speaker 1: I've never watched sports this closely, so I've really noticed it. 132 00:05:43,304 --> 00:05:45,744 Speaker 1: It's like she always hangs back and like till he's 133 00:05:45,824 --> 00:05:49,024 Speaker 1: ready to like her. And because she's so aware that 134 00:05:49,064 --> 00:05:51,424 Speaker 1: every camera is on her, and that she's trying not 135 00:05:51,544 --> 00:05:53,344 Speaker 1: to like get in front of the players when they're 136 00:05:53,384 --> 00:05:55,344 Speaker 1: having their moments celebrating. She tries not to get in 137 00:05:55,424 --> 00:05:57,264 Speaker 1: front of his family when they're like his mom and 138 00:05:57,304 --> 00:05:59,264 Speaker 1: his dad and his brother and they're hugging him and 139 00:05:59,344 --> 00:06:02,464 Speaker 1: hangs back. And isn't it true that Travis was going 140 00:06:02,464 --> 00:06:04,864 Speaker 1: to retire? And I know this from listening to his podcast. 141 00:06:05,064 --> 00:06:07,744 Speaker 1: He was thinking of retiring, but then he wants to 142 00:06:07,784 --> 00:06:08,824 Speaker 1: win one more Super Bowl? 143 00:06:08,904 --> 00:06:10,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Chiefs have made it to a number 144 00:06:10,744 --> 00:06:13,224 Speaker 2: of Super Bowls in recent years, so there's every possibility 145 00:06:13,224 --> 00:06:15,144 Speaker 2: they make it. But like you said, he was planning 146 00:06:15,144 --> 00:06:17,224 Speaker 2: to retire maybe if they won. They didn't win, and 147 00:06:17,264 --> 00:06:18,544 Speaker 2: he was like, I need to give it my all 148 00:06:18,664 --> 00:06:20,024 Speaker 2: and try again. 149 00:06:20,144 --> 00:06:22,344 Speaker 1: Yeah. So it seems very strange that in what could 150 00:06:22,424 --> 00:06:25,184 Speaker 1: be the last big moment of his sports career. If 151 00:06:25,224 --> 00:06:27,464 Speaker 1: they make it, Yeah, that's a good chance exactly also 152 00:06:27,584 --> 00:06:29,024 Speaker 1: matched if they did it, make and then she did 153 00:06:29,024 --> 00:06:31,224 Speaker 1: the same the whole time, and he has always her 154 00:06:31,264 --> 00:06:34,024 Speaker 1: to win that yeah, situation right, And she does try 155 00:06:34,024 --> 00:06:36,264 Speaker 1: to control a little bit of like how she's perceived 156 00:06:36,304 --> 00:06:37,104 Speaker 1: in these spaces. 157 00:06:37,144 --> 00:06:39,664 Speaker 2: But I also think from just a personal perspective, she'd 158 00:06:39,664 --> 00:06:42,104 Speaker 2: probably want to be with his family sitting watching the game, 159 00:06:42,624 --> 00:06:46,384 Speaker 2: enjoying seeing this career high for him. And if she's performing, 160 00:06:46,504 --> 00:06:47,504 Speaker 2: she'd miss a bunch of. 161 00:06:47,424 --> 00:06:50,224 Speaker 1: It, exactly because if she's performing, then it becomes about her. 162 00:06:50,464 --> 00:06:53,504 Speaker 1: And because as we know from General Philipez's Super Bowl 163 00:06:53,504 --> 00:06:56,144 Speaker 1: documentary Halftime, which is a great watch, Oh, the lead 164 00:06:56,264 --> 00:06:59,464 Speaker 1: up to doing the Super Bowl is all encompassing. It's 165 00:06:59,544 --> 00:07:02,024 Speaker 1: like you're there fifteen twenty hours a day in the 166 00:07:02,024 --> 00:07:04,104 Speaker 1: week leading up to it. You don't talk to your 167 00:07:04,104 --> 00:07:05,944 Speaker 1: family and friends, you don't sleep, you don't eat. Because 168 00:07:05,984 --> 00:07:09,184 Speaker 1: it's so carefully crafted down to the second, everything, as 169 00:07:09,184 --> 00:07:11,384 Speaker 1: you're saying, has to be signed off through a million people, 170 00:07:11,424 --> 00:07:14,504 Speaker 1: which she's not used to as well, telling her exactly 171 00:07:14,504 --> 00:07:17,384 Speaker 1: what she can and can't do. And so it's kind 172 00:07:17,384 --> 00:07:19,464 Speaker 1: of weird that she would take herself out of her 173 00:07:19,504 --> 00:07:22,064 Speaker 1: fiance's life in the lead up to the biggest moment 174 00:07:22,104 --> 00:07:24,944 Speaker 1: of his sporting career. Yeah, when she doesn't need the 175 00:07:25,064 --> 00:07:28,104 Speaker 1: exposure or the fame, or she might doing a few 176 00:07:28,144 --> 00:07:29,584 Speaker 1: years like you're saying, as like a little cutes the 177 00:07:29,744 --> 00:07:30,584 Speaker 1: unexpected thing. 178 00:07:30,744 --> 00:07:32,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's something that even if it's not, say 179 00:07:33,064 --> 00:07:35,064 Speaker 2: you don't need the exposure obviously, someone like Beyonce doesn't 180 00:07:35,064 --> 00:07:37,944 Speaker 2: need exposure either, but still did it to be like 181 00:07:38,344 --> 00:07:40,144 Speaker 2: what a fun experience, and she's put on a hell 182 00:07:40,184 --> 00:07:42,224 Speaker 2: of a show exactly. It's more for her to be like, 183 00:07:42,264 --> 00:07:44,264 Speaker 2: look what I can do. Yeah, but she's just done 184 00:07:44,264 --> 00:07:47,024 Speaker 2: that for years on the Aras tour. She doesn't really 185 00:07:47,024 --> 00:07:50,584 Speaker 2: need that moment currently to be like, hey check this out. 186 00:07:51,584 --> 00:07:54,424 Speaker 1: And also she's got a whole, like very intense rollout 187 00:07:54,504 --> 00:07:56,944 Speaker 1: planned this new album right. Yeah, she's booked and busy. 188 00:07:56,984 --> 00:07:58,704 Speaker 2: She didn't really have time to be planning a whole 189 00:07:58,704 --> 00:08:01,264 Speaker 2: supermo performance. She's got a hell of a rollout. She's 190 00:08:01,304 --> 00:08:03,024 Speaker 2: got Life of a show Girl coming out this week. 191 00:08:03,184 --> 00:08:07,024 Speaker 2: But we've got like a whole schedule the albums taped 192 00:08:07,064 --> 00:08:09,904 Speaker 2: to your fridge to have this in Australian Eastern Standard 193 00:08:09,904 --> 00:08:12,264 Speaker 2: time because everything is in New York time, and that 194 00:08:12,344 --> 00:08:15,184 Speaker 2: means nothing to me because I'm not there. But there's 195 00:08:15,224 --> 00:08:17,464 Speaker 2: so much happening. So album drops is Friday this week 196 00:08:17,504 --> 00:08:20,224 Speaker 2: for us. We've got five am in cinemas in Australia 197 00:08:20,264 --> 00:08:22,784 Speaker 2: on Saturday, The Life of a Showgirl movie. There's gonna 198 00:08:22,824 --> 00:08:24,584 Speaker 2: be a premiere, so keep your eyes. 199 00:08:24,384 --> 00:08:26,344 Speaker 1: Out for that. We weren't invited to that, so that's fine. 200 00:08:26,384 --> 00:08:28,664 Speaker 1: We won't be there. No one straight in premiere noustis 201 00:08:30,064 --> 00:08:31,784 Speaker 1: because we had to go on mind and buy our tickets. 202 00:08:31,824 --> 00:08:33,544 Speaker 1: Like we bought our tickets. We're going together. 203 00:08:33,664 --> 00:08:36,224 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get cinnamon, no nuts, just in case anyone 204 00:08:36,304 --> 00:08:36,784 Speaker 2: was wondering. 205 00:08:36,864 --> 00:08:39,304 Speaker 1: It's really exciting. This is the first time I bought 206 00:08:39,344 --> 00:08:40,584 Speaker 1: a ticket to a movie and go on and like 207 00:08:40,624 --> 00:08:42,944 Speaker 1: a normal person, like five years. It's gonna be crazy 208 00:08:43,144 --> 00:08:44,704 Speaker 1: to buy the tickets. Laura's like, how does this work? 209 00:08:44,744 --> 00:08:46,224 Speaker 1: I was like, how do you buy tickets to the movies? 210 00:08:46,304 --> 00:08:48,704 Speaker 1: I know that's maybe sounds someone relatable, out of touch. 211 00:08:48,744 --> 00:08:51,264 Speaker 2: Laura prom nick, that's what they say. And then she's 212 00:08:51,264 --> 00:08:53,704 Speaker 2: doing Graham Norton Show. She's doing Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. 213 00:08:53,784 --> 00:08:55,864 Speaker 2: She's doing Seth Meyers, like she's doing all the big 214 00:08:55,984 --> 00:08:59,024 Speaker 2: chat shows. This is a very like award winning rollout, 215 00:08:59,104 --> 00:09:00,864 Speaker 2: is what I would say, because this is what she 216 00:09:00,944 --> 00:09:03,744 Speaker 2: does when it's like a Grammys album, a big album, 217 00:09:03,904 --> 00:09:06,224 Speaker 2: like obviously for me, all tables of this album are 218 00:09:06,264 --> 00:09:07,784 Speaker 2: a big album. But I think she knows when she's 219 00:09:07,824 --> 00:09:10,904 Speaker 2: got something that's deeply personal and for the fans and herself, 220 00:09:11,184 --> 00:09:13,784 Speaker 2: and when she's got something like a Midnight's where she's like, 221 00:09:14,304 --> 00:09:16,664 Speaker 2: this is going to win awards, this is going to 222 00:09:16,704 --> 00:09:20,064 Speaker 2: be a pop phenomenon for the people in the charts. 223 00:09:20,064 --> 00:09:21,984 Speaker 2: So I think she knows she's got that and she's 224 00:09:22,024 --> 00:09:24,384 Speaker 2: doing all of the shows. But I do like this 225 00:09:24,424 --> 00:09:27,424 Speaker 2: little sneaky thing that was she released like a schedule, hmm. 226 00:09:27,944 --> 00:09:29,584 Speaker 2: And one of the things says stand by. 227 00:09:30,144 --> 00:09:31,984 Speaker 1: Oh, So that means we don't know what that's gonna be. 228 00:09:32,024 --> 00:09:32,984 Speaker 1: We don't know what that's gonna be. 229 00:09:33,344 --> 00:09:35,064 Speaker 2: And the other thing we learned from the schedule is 230 00:09:35,064 --> 00:09:38,064 Speaker 2: that you won't get to watch the YouTube videos until 231 00:09:38,064 --> 00:09:39,944 Speaker 2: a few days later, so if you want to see them, 232 00:09:39,944 --> 00:09:40,744 Speaker 2: you have to go to. 233 00:09:40,744 --> 00:09:41,904 Speaker 1: This movie in the cinemas. 234 00:09:42,104 --> 00:09:44,744 Speaker 2: Of course, watch the music videos in the weird little 235 00:09:44,744 --> 00:09:46,224 Speaker 2: thing that you and I are gonna go see. Yeah, 236 00:09:46,344 --> 00:09:48,264 Speaker 2: and then she'll drop them on YouTube a couple days later. 237 00:09:48,264 --> 00:09:49,824 Speaker 1: Well, I guess. I guess she's getting a really good 238 00:09:49,904 --> 00:09:52,944 Speaker 1: cut of that cinema round. Yes she is. She's thinking 239 00:09:52,984 --> 00:09:55,024 Speaker 1: in ways that I've never been thought before. Yeah, I'm 240 00:09:55,104 --> 00:09:58,304 Speaker 1: interested about her doing like Seth Myers and Graham Norton 241 00:09:58,344 --> 00:10:01,664 Speaker 1: and all those shows, but because again she absolutely doesn't 242 00:10:01,784 --> 00:10:04,184 Speaker 1: need them and she can't control it the way like 243 00:10:04,264 --> 00:10:06,504 Speaker 1: that's why she went on Travis Kelsey's podcast is because 244 00:10:06,504 --> 00:10:08,384 Speaker 1: she could control that in such a way. But I 245 00:10:08,424 --> 00:10:11,944 Speaker 1: guess also too, she can control these media performances like 246 00:10:11,984 --> 00:10:12,504 Speaker 1: what am I saying? 247 00:10:12,544 --> 00:10:15,424 Speaker 2: That hard hitting journalists, and she has good experiences with these. 248 00:10:15,704 --> 00:10:18,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been people all that. She has a fun time. 249 00:10:18,624 --> 00:10:21,104 Speaker 2: I'm sure Stephen Colbert is coming because she and Steven 250 00:10:21,184 --> 00:10:23,624 Speaker 2: have a lot of fun with her rollouts usually, so 251 00:10:23,664 --> 00:10:24,504 Speaker 2: that has to be coming in. 252 00:10:24,784 --> 00:10:26,904 Speaker 1: I will see her back doing the chat show circuit 253 00:10:26,984 --> 00:10:28,704 Speaker 1: because we haven't seen her do it for so long. 254 00:10:28,624 --> 00:10:30,624 Speaker 2: And she's so like again, it's I guess it's that 255 00:10:30,664 --> 00:10:32,624 Speaker 2: Beyonce level of fame right where you're like, it's really 256 00:10:32,784 --> 00:10:35,584 Speaker 2: they don't seem like people sometimes, And so when she 257 00:10:35,664 --> 00:10:37,864 Speaker 2: goes on Graham Norton, that's usually my favorite because you'll 258 00:10:37,904 --> 00:10:41,024 Speaker 2: see her with other Hollywood heavyweights and everyone's just like, hey, Taylor, 259 00:10:41,384 --> 00:10:43,704 Speaker 2: like even they're a bit like ah. And so many 260 00:10:43,784 --> 00:10:45,464 Speaker 2: of her clips from Graham Norton are the ones that 261 00:10:45,464 --> 00:10:47,304 Speaker 2: have gone viral. Do you want that clip from John 262 00:10:47,304 --> 00:10:49,464 Speaker 2: Cleese where he says something about oh woman, She's like, oh, 263 00:10:49,504 --> 00:10:52,664 Speaker 2: we don't want to see that, do we That inflection 264 00:10:53,464 --> 00:10:55,224 Speaker 2: that was exactly how she said I know. 265 00:10:55,504 --> 00:10:58,784 Speaker 1: He just like he just recoiled from her. And people 266 00:10:58,824 --> 00:10:59,664 Speaker 1: don't know how to behave. 267 00:10:59,704 --> 00:11:01,424 Speaker 2: She was on there with Eddie Redmain and she's talking 268 00:11:01,464 --> 00:11:03,704 Speaker 2: about how they auditioned for Le miss Together once upon 269 00:11:03,744 --> 00:11:05,424 Speaker 2: a Time, and she's telling the story in like a 270 00:11:05,424 --> 00:11:06,584 Speaker 2: really joky fun way and. 271 00:11:06,544 --> 00:11:09,944 Speaker 1: He's just like, like so stressed about it just melts 272 00:11:09,944 --> 00:11:11,744 Speaker 1: to the floor. Eddie Redmain doesn't know what to do, 273 00:11:11,904 --> 00:11:13,264 Speaker 1: and it's like, dude, you got the role in that 274 00:11:13,344 --> 00:11:15,664 Speaker 1: movie and she didn't get the role in this case, 275 00:11:15,704 --> 00:11:17,984 Speaker 1: you were like the successful one. But because it's Taylor 276 00:11:18,024 --> 00:11:20,304 Speaker 1: Swift and she's talking about a feled audition, trying to 277 00:11:20,304 --> 00:11:22,064 Speaker 1: be relatable much like me not knowing how to buy 278 00:11:22,064 --> 00:11:24,824 Speaker 1: a movie ticket. Me and Taylor Swift two relatable queen, 279 00:11:24,904 --> 00:11:27,504 Speaker 1: two relatable girls. She's trying to make herself relatable, and 280 00:11:27,504 --> 00:11:29,184 Speaker 1: she just came off as more of a superstar. So 281 00:11:29,184 --> 00:11:31,664 Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see about the touch. I'm very excited. 282 00:11:31,704 --> 00:11:35,184 Speaker 1: And I also clearly clearly like I've actually got a card. 283 00:11:35,224 --> 00:11:36,424 Speaker 1: I'm actually really thrilled by this. 284 00:11:36,704 --> 00:11:38,504 Speaker 2: So like, yeah, look, I didn't ever think she was 285 00:11:38,544 --> 00:11:40,384 Speaker 2: going to do the super Bowl, but I do think 286 00:11:40,424 --> 00:11:43,784 Speaker 2: she's really about to hit us with that Taylor Swift, because. 287 00:11:43,544 --> 00:11:46,264 Speaker 1: She's going hard for a Grammy, and it really cares 288 00:11:46,304 --> 00:11:49,104 Speaker 1: about a Grammy so much does which I understand. It's 289 00:11:49,144 --> 00:11:51,584 Speaker 1: like she's the biggest artist in the world. She makes 290 00:11:51,584 --> 00:11:54,984 Speaker 1: the most money, she has the biggest fandom, like she 291 00:11:55,064 --> 00:11:57,704 Speaker 1: has all these things. She shapes culture in a way 292 00:11:58,184 --> 00:12:00,944 Speaker 1: that is nearly unmatched with like the influence she has 293 00:12:00,984 --> 00:12:04,304 Speaker 1: at the moment, and yet she still just wants the 294 00:12:04,384 --> 00:12:06,864 Speaker 1: Recording Academy and the people and like that tiny group 295 00:12:06,904 --> 00:12:09,384 Speaker 1: of people who vote for the Grammys to notice and 296 00:12:09,544 --> 00:12:10,064 Speaker 1: like her work. 297 00:12:10,344 --> 00:12:12,944 Speaker 2: And we saw that with like reputation in the documentary 298 00:12:13,024 --> 00:12:14,504 Speaker 2: that was I mean, I know I'm a fan, but 299 00:12:14,504 --> 00:12:16,024 Speaker 2: that was really sad to see. When she's like, we'll 300 00:12:16,064 --> 00:12:18,304 Speaker 2: just make something better and then they'll like it. It 301 00:12:18,304 --> 00:12:21,024 Speaker 2: does cause her. She was like, I'm not going to 302 00:12:21,064 --> 00:12:22,464 Speaker 2: cry now, but I'm going to cry later. 303 00:12:22,744 --> 00:12:25,024 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh my god, so may love to go for 304 00:12:25,064 --> 00:12:25,944 Speaker 1: a walk and cry later. 305 00:12:26,144 --> 00:12:28,824 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think with tortured poets. She showed up to 306 00:12:28,824 --> 00:12:30,544 Speaker 2: that Grammys in that little red dress. She knew she 307 00:12:30,544 --> 00:12:32,664 Speaker 2: wasn't winning anything. Yeah, she was like, I'm here to 308 00:12:32,664 --> 00:12:34,504 Speaker 2: have fun. I'm having a good time. I'm not going 309 00:12:34,584 --> 00:12:36,704 Speaker 2: to win, and I don't care. But I think now 310 00:12:37,064 --> 00:12:38,704 Speaker 2: this is the album where she goes this is the 311 00:12:38,704 --> 00:12:40,864 Speaker 2: big roleout, I'm going to win everything, And people have 312 00:12:40,984 --> 00:12:43,184 Speaker 2: kind of complained that there's not been enough yet. They're like, 313 00:12:43,184 --> 00:12:45,384 Speaker 2: why didn't we get a lead single? Why haven't we 314 00:12:45,424 --> 00:12:47,424 Speaker 2: gotten this? And I do think she's just playing by 315 00:12:47,424 --> 00:12:50,064 Speaker 2: her own rules. Now she's invented this, let's put my 316 00:12:50,184 --> 00:12:53,064 Speaker 2: music videos in the cinema thing. She's like, I'm going 317 00:12:53,144 --> 00:12:55,224 Speaker 2: to go on the talk shows and have some surprises, 318 00:12:55,544 --> 00:12:58,104 Speaker 2: then I'll do my singles. She really wants to control 319 00:12:58,624 --> 00:13:01,064 Speaker 2: the narrative of where this is going, but she is 320 00:13:01,144 --> 00:13:02,984 Speaker 2: kind of making fun of it. She posted a video 321 00:13:03,064 --> 00:13:07,384 Speaker 2: last night about her Target exclusive, which is this big 322 00:13:07,424 --> 00:13:09,944 Speaker 2: deal in the US, not Australian Target. They always do 323 00:13:10,024 --> 00:13:12,864 Speaker 2: like a specific yeah yeah, And she used to go 324 00:13:12,904 --> 00:13:14,784 Speaker 2: to the stores, not anymore. She's not now just like 325 00:13:14,864 --> 00:13:17,864 Speaker 2: rocking up the side. Imagine let me buy this. But 326 00:13:18,264 --> 00:13:20,704 Speaker 2: she releases video where she made fun of herself for 327 00:13:20,784 --> 00:13:23,104 Speaker 2: not being enough of a show girl. So it was 328 00:13:23,104 --> 00:13:25,424 Speaker 2: like her as a director in normal clothes and then 329 00:13:25,464 --> 00:13:27,544 Speaker 2: her as a showgirl in a glittery outfit and she 330 00:13:27,704 --> 00:13:30,344 Speaker 2: was like, elegance, charm, don't do that. She's like, she's 331 00:13:30,344 --> 00:13:32,224 Speaker 2: got cat hair all over her. She's like, is there 332 00:13:32,264 --> 00:13:34,304 Speaker 2: a school we could quickly send her to. She's like, 333 00:13:34,344 --> 00:13:36,224 Speaker 2: what's going on with that girl's posture? So she's like 334 00:13:36,264 --> 00:13:38,624 Speaker 2: critiquing herself in the video for not being enough of 335 00:13:38,664 --> 00:13:39,144 Speaker 2: a showgirl. 336 00:13:39,144 --> 00:13:41,384 Speaker 1: Again, a relatable queen. She's a relatable queen. 337 00:13:41,504 --> 00:13:43,464 Speaker 2: She knows how she's seen and she's like, I'm going 338 00:13:43,504 --> 00:13:45,704 Speaker 2: to lean into this and then I'm gonna razzle dazzle 339 00:13:45,744 --> 00:13:47,904 Speaker 2: you with an album and you're going to regret everything 340 00:13:47,944 --> 00:13:48,704 Speaker 2: you said about there. 341 00:13:48,784 --> 00:13:50,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we know she loves the side of revenge. 342 00:13:50,864 --> 00:13:53,584 Speaker 1: Well excited for Tailor Sift next week. Actually, myle like 343 00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:54,984 Speaker 1: sometimes that we can all the night like just with 344 00:13:55,064 --> 00:13:57,264 Speaker 1: the plane that we've done for our Tailor Swift episodes 345 00:13:57,304 --> 00:14:00,064 Speaker 1: next week is so intense. And also, congrats to Bad Money. 346 00:14:00,104 --> 00:14:02,104 Speaker 1: We forgot about him, but we will go back around. 347 00:14:02,184 --> 00:14:05,504 Speaker 1: He's concerts look like a hell of a time. Yeah. Yeah, 348 00:14:06,504 --> 00:14:09,464 Speaker 1: like we're encouraging some kid, Like, no, we're excited, you'll 349 00:14:09,504 --> 00:14:12,424 Speaker 1: be great. Multi award winner. Bad Bunny was very successful. 350 00:14:12,584 --> 00:14:16,784 Speaker 1: He'll be okay. We wish him well. So this morning 351 00:14:16,824 --> 00:14:20,424 Speaker 1: we all woke to the very shocking news that Nicole 352 00:14:20,504 --> 00:14:24,664 Speaker 1: Kidman and Keith Urban were divorcing after nineteen years of 353 00:14:24,744 --> 00:14:29,584 Speaker 1: marriage and two children, Sunday Rose and Faith Margaret. I 354 00:14:29,624 --> 00:14:31,104 Speaker 1: just had to say their full means because I always 355 00:14:31,144 --> 00:14:33,384 Speaker 1: thought they were really pretty and did you know this 356 00:14:33,424 --> 00:14:36,064 Speaker 1: makes it a little bit sadder. They named Sunday Sunday 357 00:14:36,424 --> 00:14:39,344 Speaker 1: because when Keith Urban was single for so many years, 358 00:14:39,384 --> 00:14:41,224 Speaker 1: he said he was so busy during the week in 359 00:14:41,304 --> 00:14:43,984 Speaker 1: his life was so full, but everyone spends Sunday with 360 00:14:44,064 --> 00:14:47,624 Speaker 1: their family and so Sundays were always the loneliest day 361 00:14:47,624 --> 00:14:50,024 Speaker 1: for him where he dreamed of meeting someone falling in 362 00:14:50,064 --> 00:14:54,504 Speaker 1: love and so when he and you, what the hell again, 363 00:14:54,584 --> 00:14:56,904 Speaker 1: I'm not obviously, I'm not lasting. We actually like quite 364 00:14:56,904 --> 00:15:01,024 Speaker 1: sad about this in my eyes, really yeah, I'm really tired, 365 00:15:01,064 --> 00:15:04,984 Speaker 1: but so sad. And so when he and Nicole got 366 00:15:05,024 --> 00:15:07,664 Speaker 1: married and had their first child, they called her Sunday 367 00:15:07,744 --> 00:15:09,664 Speaker 1: as like a celebration of that. Now he has a 368 00:15:09,704 --> 00:15:13,264 Speaker 1: family to spend the day with. Are you actually crying? 369 00:15:14,784 --> 00:15:16,744 Speaker 1: Just started crying? I don't know what's wrong with me. 370 00:15:16,824 --> 00:15:21,784 Speaker 1: It's not that hit me. Second, I like, you're crying. 371 00:15:21,864 --> 00:15:24,704 Speaker 1: I'm good. Okay. Maybe it's just the leftover motion for 372 00:15:24,744 --> 00:15:25,584 Speaker 1: the Taylors. 373 00:15:25,344 --> 00:15:28,064 Speaker 2: With Maybe it's the way talent. I don't know that 374 00:15:28,184 --> 00:15:29,464 Speaker 2: was your storytelling spillers. 375 00:15:29,544 --> 00:15:33,264 Speaker 1: Let us know if you cry anyway, Again, we're not 376 00:15:33,264 --> 00:15:36,824 Speaker 1: making a lot of the situation. It's not nice crying. Yeah, yeah, 377 00:15:37,064 --> 00:15:39,384 Speaker 1: you need to check yourself because we've got so much 378 00:15:39,424 --> 00:15:41,984 Speaker 1: more to go to. Okay, I'm back. Yes. It's obviously 379 00:15:41,984 --> 00:15:46,264 Speaker 1: never nice when any couple divorces or anything, whether they're 380 00:15:46,344 --> 00:15:49,304 Speaker 1: famous or non famous. But in this case, TMZ were 381 00:15:49,344 --> 00:15:51,344 Speaker 1: the first ones to report the news that they had 382 00:15:51,384 --> 00:15:53,824 Speaker 1: to learn from a number of sources that they had 383 00:15:53,864 --> 00:15:57,344 Speaker 1: been separated for well over three months and we're starting 384 00:15:57,344 --> 00:16:00,704 Speaker 1: divorce proceedings. No paperwork has been filed yet, because you 385 00:16:00,744 --> 00:16:02,944 Speaker 1: know everyone's going to be all over that the moment 386 00:16:02,984 --> 00:16:06,024 Speaker 1: it happens. And then at that stage, it could have 387 00:16:06,064 --> 00:16:08,104 Speaker 1: still been a rumor. Like I was looking at thinking like, 388 00:16:08,504 --> 00:16:11,904 Speaker 1: there's not usually that many reports around Nicole and Keith separating. 389 00:16:11,944 --> 00:16:13,984 Speaker 1: But all it takes really for TMZ is like one 390 00:16:14,024 --> 00:16:16,104 Speaker 1: person to tell them and they'll run it. Yeah, But 391 00:16:16,224 --> 00:16:18,744 Speaker 1: then a whole bunch of other outlets picked it up, 392 00:16:18,784 --> 00:16:21,384 Speaker 1: including people who said they had confirmed with a number 393 00:16:21,424 --> 00:16:24,704 Speaker 1: of sources that the story was true. So even though 394 00:16:24,744 --> 00:16:27,664 Speaker 1: at the time of recording, neither Nicole nor Keith have 395 00:16:27,824 --> 00:16:30,544 Speaker 1: confirmed this, so don't cry, tin, it could still be 396 00:16:30,584 --> 00:16:34,104 Speaker 1: a heinous lie. No, the People magazine exclusive it Okay, 397 00:16:34,304 --> 00:16:36,344 Speaker 1: everything it's been I know it's only been out for 398 00:16:36,384 --> 00:16:38,744 Speaker 1: like ten hours or something now, But I just do 399 00:16:38,904 --> 00:16:41,744 Speaker 1: think that Nicole and Keith have always spoken about their 400 00:16:41,864 --> 00:16:44,544 Speaker 1: love and their marriage and like called it sacred. I 401 00:16:44,624 --> 00:16:47,144 Speaker 1: just don't think they would let these headlines sit there 402 00:16:47,144 --> 00:16:49,704 Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours, with publications that we 403 00:16:49,744 --> 00:16:52,424 Speaker 1: know they have direct lines to, they would just let 404 00:16:52,424 --> 00:16:53,704 Speaker 1: that go if it wasn't true. 405 00:16:53,984 --> 00:16:59,264 Speaker 2: And with publications like Vulture, Vanity Fair, like major publications 406 00:16:59,304 --> 00:16:59,944 Speaker 2: reporting on it. 407 00:16:59,984 --> 00:17:00,144 Speaker 1: Now. 408 00:17:00,184 --> 00:17:02,504 Speaker 2: Obviously they're all doing the same thing of saying, like 409 00:17:02,504 --> 00:17:06,024 Speaker 2: People magazine have confirmed. But at that level, at that 410 00:17:06,064 --> 00:17:10,504 Speaker 2: height of like glamorous publication or like industry publication, i'd 411 00:17:10,504 --> 00:17:12,344 Speaker 2: be saying something if it wasn't true, they wouldn't let 412 00:17:12,344 --> 00:17:13,864 Speaker 2: it spiral much further out of control. 413 00:17:13,984 --> 00:17:17,864 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And also every publication from Vogue to Vanity 414 00:17:17,944 --> 00:17:22,144 Speaker 1: Fair to People to all these different publications have got that. 415 00:17:22,184 --> 00:17:25,304 Speaker 1: They've reached out directly to their management and their talent 416 00:17:25,384 --> 00:17:28,784 Speaker 1: teams and to them directly, so they would just be 417 00:17:28,784 --> 00:17:31,424 Speaker 1: being inundated for the last ten hours or so with 418 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:33,704 Speaker 1: requests to confirm. So I think we're gonna have to 419 00:17:33,744 --> 00:17:35,984 Speaker 1: go ahead and say it's true. Yes, I think so. 420 00:17:36,344 --> 00:17:38,744 Speaker 2: It was a crazy morning because, like you said, TMZ, 421 00:17:38,984 --> 00:17:41,584 Speaker 2: like obviously they're often at the forefront of gossip because 422 00:17:41,624 --> 00:17:42,624 Speaker 2: that's their whole. 423 00:17:42,384 --> 00:17:45,064 Speaker 1: Thing, just that they have the network have they had 424 00:17:45,104 --> 00:17:50,144 Speaker 1: people set up at hospitals, at courts, at lawyers' offices, 425 00:17:50,264 --> 00:17:52,984 Speaker 1: at airports, like, they just have this and they pay 426 00:17:53,224 --> 00:17:55,304 Speaker 1: quite well for that information. So they just have this 427 00:17:55,464 --> 00:17:57,504 Speaker 1: huge string of informants and that's where they get so 428 00:17:57,584 --> 00:17:58,344 Speaker 1: much news so quickly. 429 00:17:58,424 --> 00:18:02,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like famously controversial, but on the front foot 430 00:18:02,064 --> 00:18:05,064 Speaker 2: of gossip publication. But like that came through. 431 00:18:05,024 --> 00:18:07,424 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was like I was in a tizzy. Yeah, 432 00:18:07,424 --> 00:18:09,504 Speaker 1: that came to cry them. No, I didn't cry that. 433 00:18:09,544 --> 00:18:11,064 Speaker 2: I was in panic mode because I was like, what 434 00:18:11,624 --> 00:18:13,584 Speaker 2: it was like my own parents got divorced, so it 435 00:18:13,624 --> 00:18:16,904 Speaker 2: was like that's yeah, it's very crazy. But like so 436 00:18:16,984 --> 00:18:20,344 Speaker 2: TMZ's reported it. I'm like, guys, this is happening. Action mode. 437 00:18:20,344 --> 00:18:22,584 Speaker 2: And then it's like, wait, what's people magazine saying? Oh, 438 00:18:22,664 --> 00:18:25,184 Speaker 2: this is happening. I'm trying to iron a shirt. Everything 439 00:18:25,304 --> 00:18:25,744 Speaker 2: was happening. 440 00:18:26,824 --> 00:18:28,904 Speaker 1: That looks great. It doesn't I look like a chef, 441 00:18:28,944 --> 00:18:31,864 Speaker 1: but it's fine, my god, you do look like a chef. 442 00:18:31,904 --> 00:18:34,464 Speaker 1: I look like check us out on YouTube. 443 00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:36,984 Speaker 2: But like I'm trying to do my morning activities, trying 444 00:18:37,024 --> 00:18:38,584 Speaker 2: to report on it for work. And then I sat 445 00:18:38,664 --> 00:18:40,544 Speaker 2: with it on the bus and then I felt my feelings, 446 00:18:40,584 --> 00:18:42,304 Speaker 2: and those feelings were I love. 447 00:18:42,224 --> 00:18:44,904 Speaker 1: Nicole and Keith and I'm sad. Well again, it's because 448 00:18:44,944 --> 00:18:48,424 Speaker 1: they've spent a lot of time building a very public 449 00:18:48,584 --> 00:18:50,824 Speaker 1: love story. Yeah, and I don't think they were doing 450 00:18:50,864 --> 00:18:53,064 Speaker 1: it for Again, I know I'm putting a lot of 451 00:18:53,064 --> 00:18:56,064 Speaker 1: parasocial feelings on these people, but people who that famous 452 00:18:56,104 --> 00:18:58,464 Speaker 1: make a very deliberate choice of how they would like 453 00:18:58,824 --> 00:19:02,384 Speaker 1: their lives and their relationships portrayed to the world. And 454 00:19:02,624 --> 00:19:05,184 Speaker 1: some people want to keep it incredibly private, which they 455 00:19:05,184 --> 00:19:08,664 Speaker 1: did to an extent. But also they always talked about 456 00:19:08,664 --> 00:19:12,224 Speaker 1: their relationship again, that it was sacred, that it was special. 457 00:19:12,304 --> 00:19:14,584 Speaker 1: They wanted everyone to know they were madly in love. 458 00:19:14,904 --> 00:19:17,464 Speaker 1: They wanted everyone to know that they always have really 459 00:19:17,504 --> 00:19:20,464 Speaker 1: good sex. That came up a number of times even 460 00:19:20,504 --> 00:19:23,624 Speaker 1: in That Was It The Vogue seventy three questions What 461 00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:27,464 Speaker 1: were you more surprised to learn being an actress? Ninety 462 00:19:27,584 --> 00:19:32,544 Speaker 1: nine percent hard work, one percent glamour. The best way 463 00:19:32,544 --> 00:19:36,504 Speaker 1: to do you compress? Make love? Wh I didn't you 464 00:19:36,504 --> 00:19:37,424 Speaker 1: think that was cute? 465 00:19:37,544 --> 00:19:39,904 Speaker 2: I look, I love them. I have never found their 466 00:19:39,944 --> 00:19:44,024 Speaker 2: particular brand of PDA enjoyable, but I don't find anyone's 467 00:19:44,064 --> 00:19:46,744 Speaker 2: PDA enjoyable, and I kind of enjoy it. It's like 468 00:19:46,744 --> 00:19:49,104 Speaker 2: you're quirky, an't uncle, You're like right, want it? 469 00:19:49,224 --> 00:19:51,144 Speaker 1: Like there they are made? How much do you love 470 00:19:51,264 --> 00:19:54,064 Speaker 1: each other? I always just think It's so interesting how people. 471 00:19:54,224 --> 00:19:57,424 Speaker 1: I guess because of how Nicole Kimmen walks and talks 472 00:19:57,424 --> 00:19:59,504 Speaker 1: and moves through the world. She just comes across as 473 00:19:59,544 --> 00:20:03,264 Speaker 1: so regal and otherworldly, but she is just always like 474 00:20:03,344 --> 00:20:06,264 Speaker 1: macking on her hospital down to make out anywhere. They 475 00:20:06,304 --> 00:20:09,744 Speaker 1: love making out at a concert, at an airport, at events. 476 00:20:09,784 --> 00:20:11,784 Speaker 1: I've seen them hated events, you know, like when the 477 00:20:11,824 --> 00:20:13,824 Speaker 1: movie's about to start at a premiere. I want to sitting 478 00:20:13,824 --> 00:20:15,864 Speaker 1: a few ROAs behind them, and Keith and Nicole started 479 00:20:15,864 --> 00:20:18,824 Speaker 1: making out and I like politely looked away because I 480 00:20:18,864 --> 00:20:20,584 Speaker 1: was like, I'm like, it's not my fault, they're in 481 00:20:20,624 --> 00:20:22,784 Speaker 1: my eye line, but like I could be polite and 482 00:20:22,824 --> 00:20:27,464 Speaker 1: like look away. So there's you would have lead in. 483 00:20:27,544 --> 00:20:29,384 Speaker 1: I would have enjoyed the like first hand view because 484 00:20:29,384 --> 00:20:31,064 Speaker 1: you're so used to seeing it on like an award season. 485 00:20:31,144 --> 00:20:33,224 Speaker 1: I mean, they did it for a while. I looked 486 00:20:33,264 --> 00:20:35,624 Speaker 1: for a At that point, you're like, guys, it got 487 00:20:35,624 --> 00:20:38,824 Speaker 1: weird for me. I felt like I've got a bit strange. 488 00:20:38,944 --> 00:20:40,424 Speaker 2: I think a lot of celebs do that thing where 489 00:20:40,424 --> 00:20:43,624 Speaker 2: they're like private, not secret, where like they're willing to 490 00:20:43,624 --> 00:20:45,864 Speaker 2: do a red carpet together, but they don't release anything 491 00:20:45,864 --> 00:20:47,824 Speaker 2: about themselves. It was like Nicole and Keith just took 492 00:20:47,824 --> 00:20:49,784 Speaker 2: it a step further where they're like, we'll show you 493 00:20:49,784 --> 00:20:51,504 Speaker 2: how much we love each other. Yeah, so we knew 494 00:20:51,504 --> 00:20:52,864 Speaker 2: how much they loved each other. We knew they were 495 00:20:52,904 --> 00:20:55,024 Speaker 2: banging all the time, but then, like, you know, the 496 00:20:55,024 --> 00:20:57,944 Speaker 2: intimate details not so much. But they were very forthcoming 497 00:20:57,984 --> 00:21:00,064 Speaker 2: with the PDA, and I think it wasn't a show. 498 00:21:00,104 --> 00:21:02,784 Speaker 2: I think they genuinely just loved each other that much 499 00:21:02,784 --> 00:21:04,704 Speaker 2: because people used to question it. They'd be like, what 500 00:21:04,744 --> 00:21:07,064 Speaker 2: are they hiding if they're putting on this display in public, 501 00:21:07,104 --> 00:21:08,744 Speaker 2: if they need to be kissing and talking about sex 502 00:21:08,744 --> 00:21:09,104 Speaker 2: all the time. 503 00:21:09,144 --> 00:21:11,784 Speaker 1: I'm like, I think they just like seeing each other. Yeah, 504 00:21:12,224 --> 00:21:16,024 Speaker 1: as evidenced by Laura's hotscoop, Yeah, exactly many many years ago. Yeah, 505 00:21:16,064 --> 00:21:18,904 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I guess they just like to keep the 506 00:21:18,904 --> 00:21:21,504 Speaker 1: They never shared, like any of the real intricacies of 507 00:21:21,544 --> 00:21:24,624 Speaker 1: their family or marriage, just a highlight reel, but in 508 00:21:24,664 --> 00:21:27,304 Speaker 1: a way that didn't make people feel like they weren't 509 00:21:27,384 --> 00:21:29,824 Speaker 1: privy to their in the most kind of Yeah, working 510 00:21:30,064 --> 00:21:33,504 Speaker 1: super interesting. What I'm also interested in is exactly how 511 00:21:33,544 --> 00:21:36,384 Speaker 1: this information got leaked. So a lot of the sources 512 00:21:36,384 --> 00:21:38,904 Speaker 1: are saying that people Magazine in particular have talked to 513 00:21:39,504 --> 00:21:43,064 Speaker 1: is that it hasn't been known like overly publicly in 514 00:21:43,104 --> 00:21:46,544 Speaker 1: the industry, but all of their circle of friends have 515 00:21:46,744 --> 00:21:49,144 Speaker 1: known for a long time that they've been separated for 516 00:21:49,264 --> 00:21:52,784 Speaker 1: months and months living separately, and I guess they haven't 517 00:21:52,824 --> 00:21:55,584 Speaker 1: been pictured together. They're pictured together at a soccer game. 518 00:21:55,944 --> 00:21:58,344 Speaker 1: It's probably just over three months ago, I think, looking 519 00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:00,424 Speaker 1: at the pictures and the date, and so I don't 520 00:22:00,424 --> 00:22:02,544 Speaker 1: know what happened to that soccer game. Se Sports tears 521 00:22:02,544 --> 00:22:04,824 Speaker 1: people apart, don't no one talks so many times discussed 522 00:22:04,864 --> 00:22:07,064 Speaker 1: on this podcast exactly, don't go to sports with your 523 00:22:07,104 --> 00:22:09,784 Speaker 1: significant other, It'll ruin your life and teen will cry. Yeah. 524 00:22:09,864 --> 00:22:12,544 Speaker 1: Apparently for their circles, it's like they've been very open 525 00:22:12,544 --> 00:22:15,104 Speaker 1: about the fact that they've been separated. But then the 526 00:22:15,144 --> 00:22:18,104 Speaker 1: other story that's coming out is that it's been instigated 527 00:22:18,304 --> 00:22:22,264 Speaker 1: by Keith Urban because again it's all just reports coming out, 528 00:22:22,264 --> 00:22:24,944 Speaker 1: but they are reports from like Vulture and Deadline and 529 00:22:25,024 --> 00:22:27,744 Speaker 1: people and stuff who know all the people in these 530 00:22:27,784 --> 00:22:30,784 Speaker 1: circles and would be talking to them and leaving their 531 00:22:30,864 --> 00:22:33,904 Speaker 1: names out. But it's really clear that Keith's camp and 532 00:22:34,024 --> 00:22:37,144 Speaker 1: Nicole's camp are putting out the stories that they want 533 00:22:37,144 --> 00:22:40,144 Speaker 1: the public to be aware of. And the story that's 534 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:43,584 Speaker 1: coming from Keith's camp is very much like he sort 535 00:22:43,624 --> 00:22:45,704 Speaker 1: of instigated it, but not in a way that's painting 536 00:22:45,744 --> 00:22:48,944 Speaker 1: him as a villain, and that it's been open to 537 00:22:48,984 --> 00:22:51,104 Speaker 1: their friends for so long. He's trying to make it 538 00:22:51,104 --> 00:22:54,104 Speaker 1: look like it's not a big dramatic reveal, Whereas what 539 00:22:54,144 --> 00:22:57,744 Speaker 1: we're hearing from the Nicole Kimmen camp is that she 540 00:22:57,944 --> 00:23:00,904 Speaker 1: is very heartbroken and devastated about this, and that she 541 00:23:00,984 --> 00:23:02,904 Speaker 1: has been fighting to make the marriage work. So it 542 00:23:02,984 --> 00:23:06,824 Speaker 1: sounds that she wasn't on board with the separation, is 543 00:23:06,824 --> 00:23:07,544 Speaker 1: what we're hearing. 544 00:23:07,544 --> 00:23:09,504 Speaker 2: Is what we're hearing, and the quote being like she 545 00:23:09,544 --> 00:23:11,904 Speaker 2: didn't want this and she's been fighting to save the marriage. 546 00:23:11,904 --> 00:23:13,784 Speaker 2: I think that's what has made me and maybe other 547 00:23:13,784 --> 00:23:16,264 Speaker 2: people emotional, is like, this is a couple we've seen 548 00:23:16,304 --> 00:23:18,944 Speaker 2: so in love, and the idea that nothing's happened here 549 00:23:18,984 --> 00:23:21,384 Speaker 2: but he maybe just fell out of love with her 550 00:23:21,544 --> 00:23:24,664 Speaker 2: is so fucking sad, and the idea that she's spent 551 00:23:24,824 --> 00:23:26,664 Speaker 2: months like and they say like she's been leaning on 552 00:23:26,704 --> 00:23:29,224 Speaker 2: her sister Antonia for support and that the Kidman family 553 00:23:29,224 --> 00:23:31,784 Speaker 2: have all rallied around her, which of course they would, 554 00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:35,104 Speaker 2: but like it sounds as though, yeah, she's been wanting 555 00:23:35,144 --> 00:23:36,984 Speaker 2: to make the marriage work, but has done the separation 556 00:23:37,104 --> 00:23:40,024 Speaker 2: because he wanted it, and as you would, but she 557 00:23:40,184 --> 00:23:41,904 Speaker 2: kind of didn't think this would happen, and now that 558 00:23:41,984 --> 00:23:44,504 Speaker 2: it's leaked, if it's just a separation and they were 559 00:23:44,544 --> 00:23:46,344 Speaker 2: maybe trying to see what would happen and work towards it, 560 00:23:46,464 --> 00:23:47,784 Speaker 2: like no paperwork has been filed. 561 00:23:47,864 --> 00:23:50,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really sad that this is leaked and now 562 00:23:50,184 --> 00:23:52,624 Speaker 1: they're dealing with this publicly, and it does feel like 563 00:23:52,664 --> 00:23:55,744 Speaker 1: a leak is a thing that I am really certain of, Yeah, 564 00:23:55,824 --> 00:23:58,824 Speaker 1: is that sometimes these things get made public, but you 565 00:23:58,864 --> 00:24:01,384 Speaker 1: can sort of tell that it's the couple who don't 566 00:24:01,384 --> 00:24:03,584 Speaker 1: want to come out and say it, so they're leaking 567 00:24:03,624 --> 00:24:06,584 Speaker 1: it through trusted sources into publications that they have a 568 00:24:06,584 --> 00:24:09,424 Speaker 1: relationship with as a way not to post a statement 569 00:24:09,544 --> 00:24:12,784 Speaker 1: or satan into this doesn't feel like that. This feels 570 00:24:12,784 --> 00:24:15,184 Speaker 1: like it was deliberately leaked, and just the TMZ of 571 00:24:15,264 --> 00:24:17,304 Speaker 1: it all, and also the fact that it feels up 572 00:24:17,344 --> 00:24:19,184 Speaker 1: in the air, and also I just don't think Nicole 573 00:24:19,264 --> 00:24:22,064 Speaker 1: Kimmen and Keith, because they're on like the upper echelons 574 00:24:22,104 --> 00:24:25,224 Speaker 1: of like Hollywood Life would be leaking statements. I feel 575 00:24:25,224 --> 00:24:27,304 Speaker 1: like they would more do a statement and it would 576 00:24:27,304 --> 00:24:31,744 Speaker 1: be on like a little flowery card and like beautiful writings. 577 00:24:31,544 --> 00:24:35,064 Speaker 1: He's unconscious uncoupling announcement and we love it, we daughters 578 00:24:35,104 --> 00:24:37,504 Speaker 1: so much and we're committed to staying as a family. 579 00:24:38,064 --> 00:24:41,504 Speaker 1: Having it leaked through a TMZ exclusive with their like 580 00:24:42,024 --> 00:24:44,504 Speaker 1: greeny images of like them going about their lives and 581 00:24:44,544 --> 00:24:47,264 Speaker 1: things just does not seem like them. It doesn't seem 582 00:24:47,304 --> 00:24:48,104 Speaker 1: on brand for them. 583 00:24:48,224 --> 00:24:51,144 Speaker 2: And I think, like it's just it's just really unfortunate 584 00:24:51,144 --> 00:24:52,824 Speaker 2: that this has happened because as well, I think the 585 00:24:52,824 --> 00:24:55,224 Speaker 2: obvious thing to what you were saying of like sometimes 586 00:24:55,424 --> 00:24:57,984 Speaker 2: they'll leak it themselves. Usually when they do not to 587 00:24:58,024 --> 00:25:00,544 Speaker 2: always come back to my people people, but like People 588 00:25:00,584 --> 00:25:03,984 Speaker 2: Magazine will have a comment from the rep being like, yes, confirmed, 589 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:05,024 Speaker 2: so and so we've broken up. 590 00:25:05,144 --> 00:25:07,144 Speaker 1: They're happy, they're not happy. Whatever the thing is, the 591 00:25:07,184 --> 00:25:09,704 Speaker 1: approved statement really goes the story in stone of what 592 00:25:09,744 --> 00:25:11,664 Speaker 1: they want to say, and sometimes that does come after 593 00:25:11,704 --> 00:25:14,664 Speaker 1: a week from like a TMZ, but usually within a 594 00:25:14,664 --> 00:25:16,944 Speaker 1: few hours there's a statement out if this was like 595 00:25:16,984 --> 00:25:19,384 Speaker 1: a planned thing, whereas this clearly doesn't feel like a 596 00:25:19,424 --> 00:25:21,584 Speaker 1: planned thing. And I'm not sure how you address it 597 00:25:21,584 --> 00:25:23,504 Speaker 1: from there. Yeah, and I guess you can sort of 598 00:25:23,504 --> 00:25:25,464 Speaker 1: see how it's been kept hidden for the last couple 599 00:25:25,504 --> 00:25:27,264 Speaker 1: of months. Is like one. They're not the kind of 600 00:25:27,264 --> 00:25:30,024 Speaker 1: couple who posts Instagram stories or tiktoks from their home, 601 00:25:30,144 --> 00:25:32,184 Speaker 1: so it would be hard to kind of track where 602 00:25:32,184 --> 00:25:34,464 Speaker 1: they are. But we do know that Keith's been on 603 00:25:34,504 --> 00:25:38,224 Speaker 1: tour and performing and Nicole Kidman has only just wrapped 604 00:25:38,264 --> 00:25:40,024 Speaker 1: filming of Practical Magic too. 605 00:25:40,584 --> 00:25:42,104 Speaker 2: I hope that brought her some joy to do that 606 00:25:42,144 --> 00:25:44,624 Speaker 2: and these trouble time. It also gives like so much 607 00:25:44,664 --> 00:25:46,464 Speaker 2: more heartache to like all the clips of her and 608 00:25:46,504 --> 00:25:49,344 Speaker 2: Sandra Bullock hugging. Yes, I know that was just emotional 609 00:25:49,344 --> 00:25:51,304 Speaker 2: friendship anyway, but like it just makes me. 610 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:53,264 Speaker 1: Well, maybe that's when she heard the news that Keith 611 00:25:53,304 --> 00:25:53,784 Speaker 1: was leaving her. 612 00:25:53,944 --> 00:25:56,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just oh my god, shut up, Laura, 613 00:25:56,064 --> 00:25:57,264 Speaker 2: I'm sorry again. 614 00:25:57,624 --> 00:25:59,904 Speaker 1: It's nice that she had my support system and a friendship. 615 00:26:00,144 --> 00:26:01,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, that it would be hard to be going through 616 00:26:01,584 --> 00:26:03,864 Speaker 2: something like that while trying to keep it under wraps. 617 00:26:03,864 --> 00:26:06,024 Speaker 2: But like you said, if they're working and they're away. 618 00:26:06,224 --> 00:26:08,624 Speaker 2: No one really notices these things until suddenly they do. 619 00:26:08,824 --> 00:26:10,984 Speaker 1: Exactly, until it came to the point of people questioning 620 00:26:10,984 --> 00:26:13,144 Speaker 1: why they hadn't been seen together. And even the last 621 00:26:13,184 --> 00:26:16,144 Speaker 1: like Instagram photos and things that Nicole Yeah put out. 622 00:26:16,264 --> 00:26:18,104 Speaker 1: It's all her family and it's like her kind of 623 00:26:18,144 --> 00:26:22,224 Speaker 1: chronicling a summer with her daughters and with her sister 624 00:26:22,224 --> 00:26:24,744 Speaker 1: Antonia and Antonia's kids and this whole like beautiful thing, 625 00:26:24,784 --> 00:26:27,104 Speaker 1: which didn't raise any suspicions at the time because like, 626 00:26:27,104 --> 00:26:29,064 Speaker 1: why would it exactly when you've been married for like 627 00:26:29,184 --> 00:26:32,344 Speaker 1: nineteen years together for ages, no one's going one Instagram 628 00:26:32,344 --> 00:26:34,664 Speaker 1: post he wasn't in. Yeah, Like it didn't really ring 629 00:26:34,704 --> 00:26:36,504 Speaker 1: a bell, but then once you start looking at everything. 630 00:26:36,544 --> 00:26:37,904 Speaker 1: But it was also in a few months ago. Then 631 00:26:37,984 --> 00:26:40,664 Speaker 1: Nicole came and put up a wedding anniversary tribute. 632 00:26:40,664 --> 00:26:43,904 Speaker 2: It was like love you baby three months ago, and 633 00:26:43,944 --> 00:26:46,344 Speaker 2: he didn't post one, which is something people have realized 634 00:26:46,344 --> 00:26:48,464 Speaker 2: today is like, oh wait, he didn't post one And 635 00:26:48,504 --> 00:26:50,464 Speaker 2: this was three months ago, and they're rumored to have 636 00:26:50,504 --> 00:26:54,024 Speaker 2: been separated for three or four months, So maybe that 637 00:26:54,184 --> 00:26:56,704 Speaker 2: was one of those like for the public things because 638 00:26:56,824 --> 00:26:57,744 Speaker 2: they are such. 639 00:26:57,544 --> 00:26:58,304 Speaker 1: A public couple. 640 00:26:58,384 --> 00:27:01,144 Speaker 2: People know that they post about each other on their anniversaries. 641 00:27:01,184 --> 00:27:03,664 Speaker 2: People know they do gushy tributes, and maybe that was 642 00:27:03,744 --> 00:27:06,224 Speaker 2: like a the public are going to notice if nothing 643 00:27:06,264 --> 00:27:09,624 Speaker 2: goes out, Yeah, how he posted and he didn't and 644 00:27:09,624 --> 00:27:12,624 Speaker 2: maybe she just it lovingly and it was nothing, There 645 00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:14,864 Speaker 2: was no scandal behind it. Possibly now I don't know, 646 00:27:14,904 --> 00:27:17,104 Speaker 2: but it's hard because like she posted three months ago 647 00:27:17,144 --> 00:27:18,864 Speaker 2: that anniversary, he didn't post anything. 648 00:27:18,984 --> 00:27:21,504 Speaker 1: That's meant to be the timeline they're split. It's coming 649 00:27:21,504 --> 00:27:24,064 Speaker 1: out that she was desperately trying to save their marriage. Again. 650 00:27:24,104 --> 00:27:25,664 Speaker 1: We don't know if that's true, but that's definitely the 651 00:27:25,744 --> 00:27:28,584 Speaker 1: narrative that someone on their camp is putting out there. 652 00:27:28,944 --> 00:27:30,584 Speaker 1: And you can always kind of see where the story 653 00:27:30,624 --> 00:27:32,024 Speaker 1: is going to go next. Now people are going to 654 00:27:32,024 --> 00:27:34,704 Speaker 1: go start picking through all their photos and videos in the 655 00:27:34,784 --> 00:27:37,464 Speaker 1: last couple of years, trying to like pick up what 656 00:27:37,664 --> 00:27:39,424 Speaker 1: was said and how he fell out of love with her, 657 00:27:39,424 --> 00:27:41,184 Speaker 1: because you know that's going to be the story. And 658 00:27:41,224 --> 00:27:43,224 Speaker 1: I'm sure the whole thing too will come up about 659 00:27:43,224 --> 00:27:46,664 Speaker 1: this her choosing work over him, because famously she is 660 00:27:46,784 --> 00:27:48,024 Speaker 1: just in so many movies. 661 00:27:48,144 --> 00:27:50,784 Speaker 2: Oh it already has today Everyone's like, oh, you know 662 00:27:50,824 --> 00:27:52,904 Speaker 2: how she keeps doing all these because, like we've written 663 00:27:52,904 --> 00:27:55,384 Speaker 2: about it, she pledged to work with more female directors 664 00:27:55,384 --> 00:27:57,064 Speaker 2: and then she was like, I'm taking that seriously and 665 00:27:57,064 --> 00:27:58,304 Speaker 2: I'm going to do and she. 666 00:27:58,304 --> 00:28:00,104 Speaker 1: Really she's like the one actress who really stuck to 667 00:28:00,144 --> 00:28:02,144 Speaker 1: her word, stuck to it, and everyone could learn a 668 00:28:02,144 --> 00:28:02,864 Speaker 1: thing or two from. 669 00:28:02,704 --> 00:28:06,304 Speaker 2: Her front go Nicole, but everyone's been like she's working 670 00:28:06,344 --> 00:28:08,784 Speaker 2: so much, so that's what happened. She's driven him away. 671 00:28:08,784 --> 00:28:11,504 Speaker 2: That narrative has already started, and like, I also don't 672 00:28:11,504 --> 00:28:14,064 Speaker 2: want to feed into it, but the Porner Cole narrative 673 00:28:14,184 --> 00:28:16,464 Speaker 2: is also very clearly going to come to And I 674 00:28:16,544 --> 00:28:18,904 Speaker 2: know I was just crying, but that's more sadness for love, 675 00:28:19,024 --> 00:28:19,584 Speaker 2: but like. 676 00:28:19,744 --> 00:28:21,184 Speaker 1: Oh, I know, but that's the whole thing of Like 677 00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:23,304 Speaker 1: I was looking at all the comments, yeah, under all 678 00:28:23,304 --> 00:28:25,344 Speaker 1: the announcements stay because it was just flooding everything and 679 00:28:25,384 --> 00:28:27,904 Speaker 1: people being like I don't believe in love anymore. Love's dead, 680 00:28:28,024 --> 00:28:30,384 Speaker 1: everything's over, and I was like, it doesn't feel like 681 00:28:30,384 --> 00:28:33,384 Speaker 1: again if true, imagine if this isn't true, but I 682 00:28:33,384 --> 00:28:35,864 Speaker 1: do think it is. Yeah, I don't think a nineteen 683 00:28:35,944 --> 00:28:38,304 Speaker 1: year marriage and two kids in this whole I don't 684 00:28:38,344 --> 00:28:40,824 Speaker 1: think that's a failure. No, I think a pretty intense 685 00:28:40,864 --> 00:28:42,664 Speaker 1: thing to do in this crazy world to spend that 686 00:28:42,744 --> 00:28:45,184 Speaker 1: much time with someone else and like make your marriage 687 00:28:45,184 --> 00:28:47,064 Speaker 1: work for that long. I can't really you'll love someone 688 00:28:47,104 --> 00:28:50,024 Speaker 1: that intensely for that amount of time. Don't shut up. 689 00:28:50,544 --> 00:28:51,224 Speaker 1: Don't make fun of me. 690 00:28:51,304 --> 00:28:53,944 Speaker 2: But like they really did love each other, and maybe 691 00:28:53,984 --> 00:28:56,264 Speaker 2: they still do. But like, that is not a failure 692 00:28:56,344 --> 00:28:59,224 Speaker 2: to have spent two decades with somebody, to have a 693 00:28:59,264 --> 00:29:02,184 Speaker 2: family to you know, whatever way they come out of this, 694 00:29:02,224 --> 00:29:04,704 Speaker 2: if it's friendship, if it's I don't see them getting bitter, 695 00:29:04,864 --> 00:29:06,384 Speaker 2: but I mean, you never know. 696 00:29:06,424 --> 00:29:07,024 Speaker 1: It does happen. 697 00:29:07,064 --> 00:29:09,904 Speaker 2: But like, I think it's crazy to consider that a failure, 698 00:29:09,904 --> 00:29:11,904 Speaker 2: and for people to be acting like this means that, 699 00:29:11,984 --> 00:29:14,664 Speaker 2: like romance is over forever, and that's already. I'm seeing 700 00:29:14,704 --> 00:29:17,344 Speaker 2: comments be like when will Nicole be happy? She was 701 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:21,424 Speaker 2: just happy for twenty years. Like one relationship can't define 702 00:29:21,424 --> 00:29:24,064 Speaker 2: your entire existence on this planet. And I swear to God, 703 00:29:24,104 --> 00:29:27,304 Speaker 2: if she gets the poor Jennifer Aniston treatment in the Tabloaius, 704 00:29:27,304 --> 00:29:28,904 Speaker 2: which she probably will, well. 705 00:29:29,384 --> 00:29:31,864 Speaker 1: I think because she has kids, people see that as like, oh, 706 00:29:31,904 --> 00:29:34,264 Speaker 1: she's done something with her life in a weird true 707 00:29:34,464 --> 00:29:36,424 Speaker 1: you know how our society is really redundant in that 708 00:29:36,504 --> 00:29:38,864 Speaker 1: way and very kind of binary of how they think 709 00:29:38,904 --> 00:29:41,744 Speaker 1: of like what success was on set is. I mean, look, 710 00:29:41,784 --> 00:29:43,584 Speaker 1: she has the opportunity to do something very funny here, 711 00:29:43,584 --> 00:29:44,904 Speaker 1: which I don't think she'll do because I don't think 712 00:29:44,904 --> 00:29:47,264 Speaker 1: it's quite the mood unless he just turns out to 713 00:29:47,264 --> 00:29:49,624 Speaker 1: be a jerk and we have to rally around Nicoleon 714 00:29:49,944 --> 00:29:53,264 Speaker 1: take sides with her. Is that everyone loved that photo 715 00:29:53,344 --> 00:29:55,864 Speaker 1: that they thought was of her celebrating her divorce from 716 00:29:55,904 --> 00:29:58,504 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. You know, the very iconic photo where she 717 00:29:58,664 --> 00:30:00,784 Speaker 1: looks like she's walking out of the lawyer's office and 718 00:30:00,824 --> 00:30:03,344 Speaker 1: her head's thrown back and she's celebrating and she looks 719 00:30:03,504 --> 00:30:07,224 Speaker 1: so happy, And a lot of people have always reshared that, 720 00:30:07,344 --> 00:30:09,864 Speaker 1: famous people and non famously sharing that photo as like 721 00:30:09,944 --> 00:30:13,184 Speaker 1: the band like recreated it for their album cover recent Yeah, yeah, 722 00:30:13,264 --> 00:30:15,664 Speaker 1: it's huge. And then only like in the last year 723 00:30:15,744 --> 00:30:17,384 Speaker 1: or so, she confirmed the story that we kind of 724 00:30:17,424 --> 00:30:19,344 Speaker 1: always knew was true but never wanted to hear, is 725 00:30:19,384 --> 00:30:22,704 Speaker 1: that it wasn't after her divorce just a movie stills vibe, 726 00:30:22,984 --> 00:30:24,504 Speaker 1: which of course it was. She's like look at what 727 00:30:24,544 --> 00:30:27,184 Speaker 1: I'm wearing, and I forget fair, that's not what you'd 728 00:30:27,184 --> 00:30:29,784 Speaker 1: be wearing. But she now has the opportunity to make 729 00:30:29,824 --> 00:30:34,304 Speaker 1: an actual savoring the freedom after divorce iconic viral photo. 730 00:30:34,784 --> 00:30:37,344 Speaker 1: She could do it, Nicole, that's your way to win, Nicole. 731 00:30:37,384 --> 00:30:41,704 Speaker 1: That's well, it's important to win. Yes, it's about winning. 732 00:30:41,784 --> 00:30:44,304 Speaker 1: That's so true. So that's all we know about Nicole 733 00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:46,704 Speaker 1: and Keith at the time of reporting. Again, it's not 734 00:30:46,784 --> 00:30:49,504 Speaker 1: nineteen news, but we'll leave it there because Tina's about 735 00:30:49,504 --> 00:30:51,624 Speaker 1: to go cry and get your little tissue. Oh my god, 736 00:30:51,624 --> 00:30:53,104 Speaker 1: I'll never live this down. It's fine. 737 00:30:53,104 --> 00:30:55,064 Speaker 2: You know what I feel, my feeling that's fine. That's 738 00:30:55,064 --> 00:30:57,504 Speaker 2: so healthy. If yeah, so healthy. If you elevated me 739 00:30:57,544 --> 00:30:58,944 Speaker 2: and Nicole, we feel our feelings. 740 00:30:58,984 --> 00:31:00,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, well know, you guys can walk down the streets 741 00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:03,344 Speaker 1: and smoke a cigarette together in the celebration. I would 742 00:31:03,504 --> 00:31:07,624 Speaker 1: love me. I've never met Keith Urman, but I meant 743 00:31:07,664 --> 00:31:09,384 Speaker 1: call him in a few times. And she's a fun 744 00:31:09,424 --> 00:31:10,904 Speaker 1: time she locked. 745 00:31:10,744 --> 00:31:15,464 Speaker 2: To honestly, like, there'll be a sad point, but divorce, 746 00:31:15,544 --> 00:31:18,864 Speaker 2: Nicole Kimmen, Let's go get a bevy. Let's go get 747 00:31:18,864 --> 00:31:21,784 Speaker 2: a martini. If big Little Lafe season three does happen, 748 00:31:21,824 --> 00:31:24,024 Speaker 2: which is allegedly in the works. Imagine all the girl 749 00:31:24,024 --> 00:31:26,264 Speaker 2: he's on set together. Reese had a divorce, She's got 750 00:31:26,304 --> 00:31:29,024 Speaker 2: a new man, everyone's having good time. Shaline split from 751 00:31:29,064 --> 00:31:32,544 Speaker 2: Lucas Bravo, broke up with what's Zoe kravitts, Oh my god, 752 00:31:32,904 --> 00:31:35,344 Speaker 2: oh my god. All the divorced girls, amain. Do you 753 00:31:35,344 --> 00:31:37,424 Speaker 2: think that's why all the divorce girls are making big 754 00:31:37,424 --> 00:31:38,464 Speaker 2: little liar season two? 755 00:31:38,704 --> 00:31:39,264 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? 756 00:31:39,304 --> 00:31:41,024 Speaker 2: You get to stand around in a cozy cart again, 757 00:31:41,064 --> 00:31:43,624 Speaker 2: a crisp white wine, look out at the sea with 758 00:31:43,744 --> 00:31:46,664 Speaker 2: all your divorced friends, have a good time, and then 759 00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:48,264 Speaker 2: maybe like a murderous subplot. 760 00:31:48,304 --> 00:31:51,024 Speaker 1: That's fine. Yeah, this is the way forward. Reese with 761 00:31:51,064 --> 00:31:54,664 Speaker 1: a spoon, divorced, Nicole Kimmen divorced allegedly shanelean Woodley coming 762 00:31:54,704 --> 00:32:00,504 Speaker 1: off two massive arabags and then Gabriel from Emily in Paris, 763 00:32:00,664 --> 00:32:03,024 Speaker 1: and Zoe Kravitz. I mean, I know she's Harry Styles now, 764 00:32:03,024 --> 00:32:04,424 Speaker 1: but she went through a massive she went through a 765 00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:08,504 Speaker 1: massive divorce and a engagement ending. And then Laura Janes 766 00:32:08,504 --> 00:32:10,904 Speaker 1: just there to be supportive, which I believe she would be. Yes, 767 00:32:10,944 --> 00:32:12,704 Speaker 1: get those girls on a beach somewhere and let them 768 00:32:12,704 --> 00:32:14,584 Speaker 1: film a TV show that's gonna be so great. 769 00:32:14,664 --> 00:32:16,784 Speaker 2: Let that happen, because I'll watch it and I'll also 770 00:32:16,784 --> 00:32:19,704 Speaker 2: love the behind the scenes content, and then you will 771 00:32:19,744 --> 00:32:20,384 Speaker 2: be so. 772 00:32:20,584 --> 00:32:21,424 Speaker 1: Lips, so good. 773 00:32:21,464 --> 00:32:23,544 Speaker 2: If I was Zowe Kravitz, I would absolutely break up 774 00:32:23,544 --> 00:32:25,384 Speaker 2: with Harry Styles in order to have a singles just 775 00:32:25,744 --> 00:32:26,584 Speaker 2: your girl one. 776 00:32:26,424 --> 00:32:29,064 Speaker 1: Time, just to fit in. And also, Laura turn end 777 00:32:29,064 --> 00:32:31,904 Speaker 1: her like ten year marriage, twenty twenty year marriage. Okay, Laura, 778 00:32:31,944 --> 00:32:34,504 Speaker 1: you can stay put Laura turn you on, to say, 779 00:32:34,624 --> 00:32:37,144 Speaker 1: but Zoe and Harry time is running out, running out. 780 00:32:37,184 --> 00:32:39,464 Speaker 1: Do it for the press too well, Thank you so 781 00:32:39,544 --> 00:32:41,224 Speaker 1: much for listening to us today. I hope no one 782 00:32:41,264 --> 00:32:43,024 Speaker 1: else is crying, but if you are, it's okay. That's 783 00:32:43,024 --> 00:32:45,624 Speaker 1: a very healthy emotion. Let it out. It's in good company. 784 00:32:45,784 --> 00:32:47,584 Speaker 1: And if there's anything I'd like to hear more of 785 00:32:47,624 --> 00:32:49,824 Speaker 1: on the spill, if there's stuff you love, stuff you 786 00:32:49,824 --> 00:32:52,504 Speaker 1: don't love, stuff you want us to cover, please leave 787 00:32:52,584 --> 00:32:55,744 Speaker 1: us a review on Spotify or Apple podcasts. I personally 788 00:32:55,744 --> 00:32:57,984 Speaker 1: read all the reviews so I will see it, and 789 00:32:58,184 --> 00:33:00,664 Speaker 1: please you don't leave us a rating like us, Share 790 00:33:00,744 --> 00:33:02,744 Speaker 1: us with a friend, let people know this is the 791 00:33:02,744 --> 00:33:05,544 Speaker 1: podcast to listen to every single day pretty much. Our 792 00:33:05,584 --> 00:33:08,384 Speaker 1: executive producer is a Manisha is Warren, with sound production 793 00:33:08,464 --> 00:33:10,344 Speaker 1: by Scott Stronik, and will be back here in your 794 00:33:10,384 --> 00:33:13,264 Speaker 1: podcast feed at eight am tomorrow with morning Tea. Bye 795 00:33:13,344 --> 00:33:17,864 Speaker 1: Bye Lo