WEBVTT - Invisible String 

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a Mother Mer podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Muma Mer acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and waters.

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast is recorded on. This episode deals with a

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<v Speaker 2>number of sensitive topics, including grief, pregnancy issues, and postnatal depression.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener discretion is advised. There are some love stories that

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<v Speaker 2>from day one just tug on the old heart strings.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing crazy, nothing dramatic, just old fashioned boy meets girl,

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<v Speaker 2>they fall in love.

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<v Speaker 3>And the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really know what love was. I didn't understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I knew there was something, and honestly, from that

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<v Speaker 1>first meeting, that was it. We fell madly in love.

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<v Speaker 1>From that moment, I believed and I knew that I

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<v Speaker 1>was living a fairy tale.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing with fairy tales is we never get

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<v Speaker 2>the whole story. Is there really such thing as happily

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<v Speaker 2>ever after forever?

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember thinking it's too good to be true,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I did have this in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, and I would often think to myself, don't

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<v Speaker 1>get too caught up in the fairy tale ash because

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<v Speaker 1>it's too good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Georgia Love and this is everyone has an eggs.

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<v Speaker 2>Come with me as we dive into a collection of

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<v Speaker 2>unconventional stories about relationships past through the eyes and the

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<v Speaker 2>hearts of the very people who lived them. The year

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<v Speaker 2>was two thousand and eight, actually was just seventeen, and

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<v Speaker 2>the way you met boys back then was a little

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<v Speaker 2>different to now, but the way she met Matt was

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<v Speaker 2>different even for then.

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<v Speaker 1>I had lost my grandfather to Leakemia, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>actually my first experience with death, so I really struggled

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<v Speaker 1>with that, and I decided to do some work with

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakemia Foundation, and they have a really beautiful annual

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<v Speaker 1>event called Light the Night, where each city hosts an

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<v Speaker 1>event where you have beautiful lanterns and you do a

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<v Speaker 1>city walk at sort of twilight, and different colored balloons

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<v Speaker 1>represent whether you're honoring someone or remembering someone, or if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a survivor. So I signed up to that event,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't realize at the time that I was

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<v Speaker 1>actually the youngest person to register for that event. So

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<v Speaker 1>the local newspaper contacted me on behalf of the Leukemia

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<v Speaker 1>Foundation and said, we'd just love to share the reason

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<v Speaker 1>that you signed up to this event so that it

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<v Speaker 1>might inspire others to join. And I just said, oh, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy too, and did that interview and gave a photograph,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't think much of it. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>remember the morning that that newspaper was published, and my

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<v Speaker 1>dad walked in to the room and he just held

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<v Speaker 1>up this paper and he said, oh my god, you

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<v Speaker 1>are on the front page of the newspaper. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was a bit mortified at seventeen years old. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize was that a few days later Matt

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<v Speaker 1>would see that newspaper. His mum just happened to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up the newspaper that day and he happened to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>And from there he added me on Facebook. Sorry, he

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<v Speaker 1>added me on MySpace because Facebook wasn't even a thing yet.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent me a message and said, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>should catch up. And in my head, I'm going read alert,

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<v Speaker 1>read alert, absolutely not stranger danger, And I knew nothing

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<v Speaker 1>about him. Complete strangers, no mutual friends, know nothing. There

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<v Speaker 1>were a few back and forward messages and eventually I said.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So, still a high school student, actually went to

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<v Speaker 2>meet this twenty year old stranger at a cafe in town.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this tall, handsome guy, really well built, clearly athletic.

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<v Speaker 1>He started telling me that he was really into cricket,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had to meet late because he had cricket

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<v Speaker 1>training first, so that was the priority, and I knew

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about cricket. I was like, okay, I've got nothing here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a ballerina. You play cricket like we are, so

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<v Speaker 1>world's apart. And so that's all I knew of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Was just that first meeting. We met up for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, and I think we were talking NonStop for

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<v Speaker 1>about four hours straight. And it was a school night

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<v Speaker 1>and I went, I've got to get home, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still in grade twelve, and that was our first meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just so easy, and that moment was

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<v Speaker 1>just this feeling of I really like this guy. There's

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<v Speaker 1>something about him that is just truly special. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it is, and I'd never really experienced that

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<v Speaker 1>because I was only seventeen, so I didn't really know

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<v Speaker 1>what love was. I didn't understand it, but I knew

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<v Speaker 1>there was something. And honestly, from that first meeting, that

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<v Speaker 1>was it. The first kiss happened on that first meeting

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<v Speaker 1>that was prompted by me, and I just felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something wonderful about this guy. There was just this

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<v Speaker 1>instant connection and instant safety and happiness. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>only had maybe two or three dates until we made

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<v Speaker 1>it official, and I remember him asking me to be

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend, and it was an instant yes. It was like, well, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like the obvious step, like of course we

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<v Speaker 1>were going to start dating and of course were going

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<v Speaker 1>to be official. We didn't think we had anything in common,

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<v Speaker 1>but then after meeting, we then made our life in common.

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<v Speaker 1>So I chose to learn about cricket and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he appreciated ballet, and we appreciated each other's interests without

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<v Speaker 1>ever hijacking or feeling that we needed to truly be

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<v Speaker 1>part of that world. For me, it was very much

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<v Speaker 1>around cricket's your thing, and I'll support you, but like

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<v Speaker 1>you do you and vice versa. So we never had

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<v Speaker 1>to really find commonalities because we just created new ones together.

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<v Speaker 1>I think officially I said I love you at around

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<v Speaker 1>six months I'd already been feeling it for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt said the same. He said, well, I love

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<v Speaker 1>you too, and that was it. It was just like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of this obvious statement that we just finally said

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<v Speaker 1>out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>That was that a young, happy, easy love, but that

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<v Speaker 2>would make this a pretty short story, so let's delve

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<v Speaker 2>into how these budding young romance progressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I was seventeen and just finishing school. The first

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<v Speaker 1>year was I was first year UNI. He was also

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<v Speaker 1>in UNI, so we had completely random timetables through the day,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there was a lot of just catching up

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<v Speaker 1>when we could. You know, often, like Friday nights through

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<v Speaker 1>to the weekend was sort of more formal time together

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, actually arranging a proper date or a

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<v Speaker 1>proper catch up with friends. But during the week we

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<v Speaker 1>did have some time during classes where we could see

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<v Speaker 1>each other or have a quick coffee or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was very much just finding those little pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of time to see each other. Sometimes that meant a

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<v Speaker 1>drive by kiss, and so literally Matt would call and say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm driving home from UNI, but I've got to get home,

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<v Speaker 1>usually for cricket training. But I'm driving past your house

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<v Speaker 1>and I've got about two minutes. So it was worth

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<v Speaker 1>it to just see him for two minutes. And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember he would pull up at the house. He wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even open the door he come in. He would literally

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<v Speaker 1>just stay in the car and I'd run downstairs give

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<v Speaker 1>him a kiss. And off he'd go to cricket training

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<v Speaker 1>and all of these little micro moments which we just

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<v Speaker 1>made work. And we just wanted to see each other,

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<v Speaker 1>so we made the effort. And was it a detour, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but two minutes was better than nothing. He made me

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<v Speaker 1>feel loved. He made me feel that together we were unstoppable,

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<v Speaker 1>but that as an individual, I was also unstoppable. So

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<v Speaker 1>he gave me such a self belief that I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really believe in myself. Do you hear stories that relationships

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<v Speaker 1>can be hard work and that you've got to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>show up for each other. And I never felt that

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<v Speaker 1>I felt happy. I felt safe because I was, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just I never you know, I constantly lived on

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<v Speaker 1>cloud nine. And it feels a little bit naive to

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<v Speaker 1>think that life is like that, but I was in

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<v Speaker 1>this complete fairy tale every day, whether it be going

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<v Speaker 1>to the beach, going to the movies, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to lunch. Often it was very mundane, normal things.

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<v Speaker 1>We weren't doing anything extravagant. We weren't even trying to

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<v Speaker 1>impress each other by paying for a beautiful lunch or

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<v Speaker 1>going on a holiday. It was we actually newly just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be together and if that meant doing the

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<v Speaker 1>grocery shopping, so be it. There was never any feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of pressure that we had to do anything. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that came down to even moments, like Matt did

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work in regional Queensland and there were

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities at times for me to just travel with him,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there would be I remember a particular series

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<v Speaker 1>of weekends where he was doing these clinics about probably

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<v Speaker 1>four hour drive from Brisbane on the weekend. I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I work Monday to Friday, so I won't then see

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<v Speaker 1>you on the weekend. So then I just decided to

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<v Speaker 1>go with him, and so it just meant sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>the car for four hours and then we would arrive,

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<v Speaker 1>he would work and I would just sit in a

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<v Speaker 1>cafe on my laptop working as well. But then we

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<v Speaker 1>got four hours together because we just wanted to be together.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people thought, oh, that's crazy, then

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<v Speaker 1>you've lost your weekend. Absolutely not, I've just gained eight

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<v Speaker 1>hours in the car. So it was really simple stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing I said, nothing extravagant, just genuinely being together. We

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<v Speaker 1>never rushed anything because we never felt we needed to,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there was just this really organic life that

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<v Speaker 1>we had. I then moved out, and despite Matt living

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<v Speaker 1>at home, he thought it would be really good for

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<v Speaker 1>me to move out with a friend first. And he

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<v Speaker 1>just said, I just think that you need that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that would be really great for you. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, great idea. He was still living at

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<v Speaker 1>home and we just continued life. Because we met so young,

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<v Speaker 1>we were often spending a lot of time together in

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<v Speaker 1>our family homes, and so Matt's family welcomed me with

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<v Speaker 1>open arms and my family the same. So I often

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<v Speaker 1>laughed because I always felt like Matt and my sister

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<v Speaker 1>got along so well. And I used to joke, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>am I the third wheel here? Because you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>like really besties? And that was really beautiful for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I am, you know, that protective big sister. And to

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<v Speaker 1>see that my boyfriend and sister get along so beautifully

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<v Speaker 1>just meant a lot to me. And so that was

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<v Speaker 1>always really special. And to know that Matt was now

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<v Speaker 1>already even in those early days, he was just part

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<v Speaker 1>of our family, and really my family just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>adopted this sort of no brainer approach, like, well, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>he's part of our family, and that happened really early,

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<v Speaker 1>so again that was another feeling of well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just meant to be. There was never any doubt in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind that we would be together forever.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time they'd both finished UNI and got jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>the next step was natural.

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<v Speaker 1>We decided to move in together. I would say it

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<v Speaker 1>was only three months later that we then said, let's

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<v Speaker 1>buy a house. So, yeah, we've done this living together,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can sort of tick that off and now

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<v Speaker 1>we can buy a house. And that's when we started

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a house. That was like a really big decision.

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<v Speaker 1>We also felt buying a house is a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>serious than marriage at times, and so you know, big commitment.

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<v Speaker 1>Any so, it was just confirmation of our relationship and

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<v Speaker 1>that next step which felt super organic to us. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that was the moment when I felt a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more like an adult. I was twenty three when we

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<v Speaker 1>bought our home, and yeah, that just felt so right

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<v Speaker 1>for us. We put offers on one, we missed out

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<v Speaker 1>due to you know, developers just offering cash that we

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<v Speaker 1>could have never competed with, and then you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>missed out on the second one. And then I was

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<v Speaker 1>actually traveling for work, so I was in Fiji at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and Matt called me and he said, I

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<v Speaker 1>found it. I found the one. I said, okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>that's great, but I'm away so I can't see it.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, yeah, yeah, I think we can wait. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I can draw it out for a day. So

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<v Speaker 1>I said okay, So arrived back. Matt picked me up

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<v Speaker 1>from the airport. We drove past the house and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to show you the house. So well, it's nighttime,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see anything, but sure, we'll drive past the house.

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<v Speaker 1>And we pulled up in front of the house and

0:13:09.808 --> 0:13:15.128
<v Speaker 1>he said, this is it. This is the one. And

0:13:15.168 --> 0:13:17.968
<v Speaker 1>I looked at him and I got emotional, like I

0:13:18.008 --> 0:13:21.448
<v Speaker 1>am now, and I said, this is our family home.

0:13:22.408 --> 0:13:24.528
<v Speaker 1>And we just knew. I hadn't even been in it yet,

0:13:24.928 --> 0:13:27.248
<v Speaker 1>we just knew it was the one. And so the

0:13:27.288 --> 0:13:30.088
<v Speaker 1>next morning I had a quick inspection for all of

0:13:30.128 --> 0:13:32.528
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes, and we put the offer in and we

0:13:32.608 --> 0:13:37.568
<v Speaker 1>got it. I had these moments at multiple times in

0:13:37.608 --> 0:13:40.208
<v Speaker 1>our relationship where I just would pinch myself and go,

0:13:41.248 --> 0:13:46.088
<v Speaker 1>is this real? This relationship is so beautiful and so perfect,

0:13:46.248 --> 0:13:51.608
<v Speaker 1>and everything's just falling into place so beautifully. So I

0:13:51.608 --> 0:13:55.728
<v Speaker 1>would always feel so much gratitude that I got to

0:13:56.648 --> 0:13:59.968
<v Speaker 1>have this love and be in this love. And then

0:14:00.008 --> 0:14:03.408
<v Speaker 1>I also had the I guess, the awareness to also

0:14:04.488 --> 0:14:09.008
<v Speaker 1>sit back and appreciate it and say, wow, not everyone

0:14:09.048 --> 0:14:14.048
<v Speaker 1>gets this, How lucky am I to experience this? Living

0:14:14.048 --> 0:14:17.008
<v Speaker 1>together felt exactly the same. It was so easy. We

0:14:17.088 --> 0:14:22.168
<v Speaker 1>just moved in and it just felt right. It was

0:14:22.288 --> 0:14:25.088
<v Speaker 1>just what was always meant to happen. And you know,

0:14:25.208 --> 0:14:28.008
<v Speaker 1>even though it took a few years for us to

0:14:28.088 --> 0:14:30.888
<v Speaker 1>do it, when we did move in, it was the

0:14:30.928 --> 0:14:34.368
<v Speaker 1>perfect time and it felt like it was exactly how

0:14:34.408 --> 0:14:35.048
<v Speaker 1>it was meant to be.

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<v Speaker 3>So, dear listener, can you guess what happened next?

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<v Speaker 1>Two years later, Matt took me back to the spot

0:14:41.808 --> 0:14:44.728
<v Speaker 1>that we met for the first time. He had told

0:14:44.728 --> 0:14:47.248
<v Speaker 1>me that we were actually having group dinner with some friends.

0:14:48.208 --> 0:14:51.568
<v Speaker 1>So I told Matt, oh, I'm getting my nails done

0:14:51.608 --> 0:14:53.448
<v Speaker 1>and so I'll just meet you at the restaurant later,

0:14:53.488 --> 0:14:55.208
<v Speaker 1>and he said, yeah, yeah, perfect, I'll see you there.

0:14:56.288 --> 0:15:02.488
<v Speaker 1>I arrived and I remember seeing him and it actually

0:15:02.528 --> 0:15:05.128
<v Speaker 1>just recently had a shoulder injury, so he was meant

0:15:05.128 --> 0:15:07.488
<v Speaker 1>to be wearing a sling and he didn't have it on.

0:15:08.688 --> 0:15:11.888
<v Speaker 1>I thought, Oh, it's weird. And I arrived and I

0:15:11.928 --> 0:15:14.568
<v Speaker 1>said to him, I said, where's your sling? Like you

0:15:14.608 --> 0:15:16.928
<v Speaker 1>meant to be wearing that at all times. He said,

0:15:16.928 --> 0:15:20.808
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. Yeah, it kind of does, and then

0:15:20.888 --> 0:15:23.488
<v Speaker 1>you know, I basically blinked and he was on one knee.

0:15:23.528 --> 0:15:27.808
<v Speaker 1>And the most beautiful thing was that it was where

0:15:27.808 --> 0:15:31.488
<v Speaker 1>we first met, basically within an inch. He made sure

0:15:31.528 --> 0:15:35.208
<v Speaker 1>that we were in the exact same spot and nothing

0:15:35.248 --> 0:15:39.488
<v Speaker 1>extravagant and absolutely perfect at the same time, because it

0:15:39.528 --> 0:15:44.248
<v Speaker 1>was us. The wedding was so much fun to plan.

0:15:44.448 --> 0:15:47.328
<v Speaker 1>We just really enjoyed it. We wanted one venue and

0:15:47.368 --> 0:15:50.048
<v Speaker 1>we just wanted people to have fun, so it was

0:15:50.088 --> 0:15:53.928
<v Speaker 1>really important to us that we keep it light. We

0:15:54.008 --> 0:15:56.848
<v Speaker 1>deliberately planned the ceremony to be quite personal, and we

0:15:56.928 --> 0:16:00.048
<v Speaker 1>shared a lot of stories, some of which our guests

0:16:00.128 --> 0:16:02.088
<v Speaker 1>had never heard of before, so that was really nice

0:16:02.128 --> 0:16:05.208
<v Speaker 1>to share those little surprises with them. But we deliberately

0:16:05.208 --> 0:16:09.088
<v Speaker 1>had our ceremony very very personal and very intimate, which

0:16:09.168 --> 0:16:12.888
<v Speaker 1>was lovely. And then we had a table tennis table

0:16:13.368 --> 0:16:16.688
<v Speaker 1>at the reception and we just had it at a

0:16:16.728 --> 0:16:19.368
<v Speaker 1>venue that also has mini golf. We're like, go and

0:16:19.448 --> 0:16:21.888
<v Speaker 1>have fun like this is what our relationship is about,

0:16:21.928 --> 0:16:25.408
<v Speaker 1>just spending time together. The most beautiful thing about getting

0:16:25.408 --> 0:16:28.808
<v Speaker 1>married was absolutely nothing changed. I changed my last name

0:16:29.168 --> 0:16:31.528
<v Speaker 1>and I got an extra ring on my finger, but

0:16:32.568 --> 0:16:35.568
<v Speaker 1>that was it, you know, and that felt really beautiful

0:16:35.968 --> 0:16:40.368
<v Speaker 1>to have that experience and to have this fairy tale

0:16:40.448 --> 0:16:45.728
<v Speaker 1>love continue and to blossom once again. Cloud nine continued,

0:16:45.888 --> 0:16:49.448
<v Speaker 1>The fairy tale continued, and this really felt like just

0:16:49.608 --> 0:16:53.168
<v Speaker 1>the evolution of the fairy tale. It was just how

0:16:53.168 --> 0:16:55.648
<v Speaker 1>the book was meant to be written. Nothing was really

0:16:55.768 --> 0:17:00.648
<v Speaker 1>changing in our relationship except we were just probably getting

0:17:01.328 --> 0:17:04.848
<v Speaker 1>more and more joy. We pretty much spent every moment

0:17:04.968 --> 0:17:08.808
<v Speaker 1>together and completely by choice. Matt would also then drop

0:17:08.848 --> 0:17:10.368
<v Speaker 1>me to work, so he would drive me to work,

0:17:10.407 --> 0:17:13.088
<v Speaker 1>so we would have that commute together. Both of us

0:17:13.128 --> 0:17:15.328
<v Speaker 1>had work trips, but usually only a few days at

0:17:15.328 --> 0:17:17.128
<v Speaker 1>a time. I think the most we were probably apart

0:17:17.128 --> 0:17:20.167
<v Speaker 1>was maybe two weeks. You know. Matt still continued his

0:17:20.208 --> 0:17:21.608
<v Speaker 1>cricket so there was a lot of time that he

0:17:21.648 --> 0:17:24.927
<v Speaker 1>would you have that time with his cricket club or

0:17:25.008 --> 0:17:27.208
<v Speaker 1>working or hanging out with his mates and things like that.

0:17:27.288 --> 0:17:31.088
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely and vice versa. But the majority of our time

0:17:31.208 --> 0:17:35.888
<v Speaker 1>was together. Because we met so young, I built my

0:17:35.968 --> 0:17:38.128
<v Speaker 1>adult life with Matt. He was a few years older,

0:17:38.168 --> 0:17:42.048
<v Speaker 1>so he'd had a few years out in adulthood before

0:17:42.088 --> 0:17:45.088
<v Speaker 1>we met, but ultimately we were so young, so we

0:17:45.168 --> 0:17:49.888
<v Speaker 1>built our adult life together. So I didn't know anything

0:17:50.248 --> 0:17:54.608
<v Speaker 1>any different to being an adult with Matt. I didn't

0:17:54.648 --> 0:17:58.888
<v Speaker 1>know any different to being an adult in a relationship,

0:17:59.208 --> 0:18:03.088
<v Speaker 1>to being a girlfriend and then a wife. That was

0:18:03.288 --> 0:18:08.088
<v Speaker 1>just part of our life. I always felt very grateful.

0:18:08.488 --> 0:18:10.967
<v Speaker 1>I think we really balanced each other out in that

0:18:11.088 --> 0:18:14.128
<v Speaker 1>as well. Particularly in a work sense. It was due

0:18:14.168 --> 0:18:15.768
<v Speaker 1>to the job I was doing. It was easy to

0:18:15.768 --> 0:18:18.368
<v Speaker 1>get overwhelmed, and Matt would just balance it out and say, oh,

0:18:18.368 --> 0:18:20.328
<v Speaker 1>it's actually not stressful. I'm like, oh, yeah, you're right,

0:18:20.728 --> 0:18:23.288
<v Speaker 1>and vice versa. Sometimes, you know, Matt would need He

0:18:23.328 --> 0:18:26.728
<v Speaker 1>would often send me some spreadsheets that needed formatting because

0:18:27.008 --> 0:18:28.528
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to do this. So we just

0:18:28.568 --> 0:18:32.328
<v Speaker 1>had this really beautiful balance of knowing what our strengths

0:18:32.328 --> 0:18:36.008
<v Speaker 1>are and how we could balance each other. I was

0:18:36.008 --> 0:18:38.967
<v Speaker 1>a dreamer and I loved to think about what our

0:18:39.008 --> 0:18:41.448
<v Speaker 1>future might look like, and I'd ask matter question, even

0:18:41.488 --> 0:18:45.208
<v Speaker 1>it was something really trivial, and he would say, i'll

0:18:45.208 --> 0:18:48.088
<v Speaker 1>talk to you before then, and it was this beautiful

0:18:48.128 --> 0:18:51.648
<v Speaker 1>reassurance of like, don't get ahead of yourself, be present,

0:18:52.608 --> 0:18:55.848
<v Speaker 1>I'll talk to you. Before then we never had that

0:18:56.088 --> 0:19:01.968
<v Speaker 1>time of bickering or an argument. We didn't even raise

0:19:02.048 --> 0:19:05.328
<v Speaker 1>voices like that was just not part of our relationship.

0:19:05.488 --> 0:19:09.608
<v Speaker 1>And you know, often friends would confide in us or say, oh,

0:19:09.608 --> 0:19:12.008
<v Speaker 1>this is going on for us, or we're struggling. And

0:19:12.048 --> 0:19:17.208
<v Speaker 1>I found that really difficult because I would often respond

0:19:17.288 --> 0:19:20.608
<v Speaker 1>and saying, oh, that sounds really hard. I was trying

0:19:20.648 --> 0:19:22.968
<v Speaker 1>to be empathetic and trying to understand, but I actually

0:19:23.008 --> 0:19:27.167
<v Speaker 1>had no idea. The only part of doubt that I

0:19:27.248 --> 0:19:30.208
<v Speaker 1>ever had was this is too good to be true.

0:19:31.248 --> 0:19:35.488
<v Speaker 1>How can you have something so perfect? How can everything

0:19:35.728 --> 0:19:39.528
<v Speaker 1>be so easy? And then I felt such gratitude because

0:19:39.688 --> 0:19:42.128
<v Speaker 1>here I am living it, so I know it's real.

0:19:43.208 --> 0:19:46.008
<v Speaker 2>So here they were at twenty six. In twenty nine,

0:19:46.328 --> 0:19:49.248
<v Speaker 2>Matt and Ash were married, living in their dream home,

0:19:49.368 --> 0:19:53.687
<v Speaker 2>and just blissfully happy. Once again, the next step seemed inevitable.

0:19:54.008 --> 0:19:58.048
<v Speaker 1>We wanted kids, We wanted to have kids present, We

0:19:58.088 --> 0:20:00.448
<v Speaker 1>wanted to play games in the backyard, we wanted to

0:20:00.488 --> 0:20:03.967
<v Speaker 1>watch them play sport, and that was it, you know,

0:20:04.048 --> 0:20:06.208
<v Speaker 1>we then dreamed of you know, in the future. All

0:20:06.248 --> 0:20:09.368
<v Speaker 1>we really said was we'd love to be married for

0:20:09.368 --> 0:20:12.288
<v Speaker 1>a few year, let's enjoy married life, and then we'll

0:20:12.648 --> 0:20:16.168
<v Speaker 1>think about our family. So that was as much planning

0:20:16.328 --> 0:20:19.407
<v Speaker 1>and time frame that we put on, and then twenty

0:20:19.448 --> 0:20:23.688
<v Speaker 1>twenty happened. In January, I lost my father in law,

0:20:24.328 --> 0:20:26.768
<v Speaker 1>who I adored, and he had a very short and

0:20:26.808 --> 0:20:30.328
<v Speaker 1>aggressive illness. In March, I was stood down from my

0:20:30.408 --> 0:20:34.368
<v Speaker 1>job and I worked in travel, and so the industry

0:20:34.488 --> 0:20:37.608
<v Speaker 1>was just decimated. So I stood down from a role

0:20:37.648 --> 0:20:39.848
<v Speaker 1>that I really loved in a company that I loved.

0:20:40.808 --> 0:20:43.888
<v Speaker 1>But it was in June that Matt and I found

0:20:43.888 --> 0:20:47.648
<v Speaker 1>out that we were pregnant. We were so excited. We'd

0:20:47.688 --> 0:20:49.648
<v Speaker 1>been trying for a little while. We really knew that

0:20:49.688 --> 0:20:51.688
<v Speaker 1>we'd been married for a few years. We felt really

0:20:51.728 --> 0:20:55.088
<v Speaker 1>great in terms of, you know, we've enjoyed a few

0:20:55.168 --> 0:20:57.447
<v Speaker 1>years of married life. This feels like the next step.

0:20:57.648 --> 0:21:02.648
<v Speaker 1>So we'd been trying, and yeah, to then find out

0:21:02.648 --> 0:21:06.128
<v Speaker 1>pregnant was just amazing. We just had a private moment

0:21:06.128 --> 0:21:09.168
<v Speaker 1>at home and found out together. I was six weeks

0:21:09.208 --> 0:21:11.488
<v Speaker 1>pregnant at the time, so I needed an early scan

0:21:11.888 --> 0:21:17.687
<v Speaker 1>and I remember the doctor saying there's three and that

0:21:17.808 --> 0:21:20.088
<v Speaker 1>was it. It was just this really short sentence, and

0:21:20.168 --> 0:21:22.808
<v Speaker 1>so Matt and I looked at each other and I

0:21:22.848 --> 0:21:30.288
<v Speaker 1>said three what and he said three babies. The room

0:21:30.368 --> 0:21:34.008
<v Speaker 1>just went quiet, and he said, let's go and have

0:21:34.048 --> 0:21:38.328
<v Speaker 1>a chat, and the tone completely changed. So Matt and

0:21:38.368 --> 0:21:41.608
<v Speaker 1>I had walked into this appointment feeling completely elated and

0:21:41.688 --> 0:21:48.248
<v Speaker 1>just beyond excited to now feeling really confused. And it

0:21:48.328 --> 0:21:50.728
<v Speaker 1>was at that point that the doctor explained to ask

0:21:50.808 --> 0:21:56.528
<v Speaker 1>how high risk the pregnancy was, and the doctor said,

0:21:57.848 --> 0:22:00.848
<v Speaker 1>it is highly unlikely that you will meet all three babies,

0:22:02.208 --> 0:22:03.968
<v Speaker 1>so you need to go home and have a think

0:22:04.008 --> 0:22:08.167
<v Speaker 1>about this. Walking into an appointment feeling so much joy

0:22:08.328 --> 0:22:10.848
<v Speaker 1>and then walking out of an appointment to feel so

0:22:11.088 --> 0:22:16.128
<v Speaker 1>deflated was something I'd never experienced. For all of these years,

0:22:16.168 --> 0:22:18.648
<v Speaker 1>I'd lived this fairy tale and everything was fabulous, and

0:22:18.648 --> 0:22:22.728
<v Speaker 1>that was the moment that really crushed me. And I

0:22:22.768 --> 0:22:24.848
<v Speaker 1>remember sitting back in the car with Matt and we

0:22:24.888 --> 0:22:28.568
<v Speaker 1>just looked at each other and I said, what just happened?

0:22:30.088 --> 0:22:32.608
<v Speaker 1>And we were both in this state of shock, and

0:22:32.648 --> 0:22:36.927
<v Speaker 1>he replied, I've got no idea. And we just had

0:22:36.968 --> 0:22:39.288
<v Speaker 1>been given a bundle of paperwork to read through, and

0:22:39.448 --> 0:22:43.008
<v Speaker 1>I just was like, I don't understand. And before he

0:22:43.088 --> 0:22:46.288
<v Speaker 1>started the car to drive off, I looked at him

0:22:46.328 --> 0:22:51.288
<v Speaker 1>and I said, we will meet three babies. There's no

0:22:51.368 --> 0:22:54.768
<v Speaker 1>decision to be made. And he grabbed my hand. He said,

0:22:55.768 --> 0:23:00.128
<v Speaker 1>there's no decision. We're pregnant and they're going to be okay.

0:23:01.688 --> 0:23:05.368
<v Speaker 1>And then we drove off, knowing we're pregnant with triplets,

0:23:05.968 --> 0:23:08.568
<v Speaker 1>and we said to each other that we really wanted

0:23:08.568 --> 0:23:11.768
<v Speaker 1>to allow ourselves to feel the shock. So we went

0:23:11.848 --> 0:23:15.687
<v Speaker 1>home and we said, let's just sit in this emotion

0:23:15.768 --> 0:23:20.727
<v Speaker 1>for a bit and have that processing time. And then

0:23:20.728 --> 0:23:25.328
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember Matt saying, let's give ourselves twenty four hours,

0:23:26.408 --> 0:23:31.048
<v Speaker 1>but at twenty four hours that's it. We're positive and

0:23:31.088 --> 0:23:33.608
<v Speaker 1>we never think negatively again. And it wasn't a negative

0:23:33.648 --> 0:23:35.248
<v Speaker 1>thought that we went through. We were just in shock

0:23:35.368 --> 0:23:39.248
<v Speaker 1>and processing. And he said, but after that point, that's it,

0:23:40.128 --> 0:23:42.528
<v Speaker 1>and we both agreed. I was like, yes, absolutely, and

0:23:42.568 --> 0:23:44.928
<v Speaker 1>we did that. So we allowed ourselves to just process

0:23:45.008 --> 0:23:47.488
<v Speaker 1>and then we went this is the best thing ever,

0:23:47.568 --> 0:23:50.848
<v Speaker 1>because it was. And so that was a really important

0:23:50.888 --> 0:23:55.968
<v Speaker 1>part of our pregnancy journey, was to allow that feeling,

0:23:57.128 --> 0:23:59.167
<v Speaker 1>not fight it, but just to allow it and then

0:23:59.248 --> 0:24:03.328
<v Speaker 1>go and we're making the choice now, and aside from shock,

0:24:03.488 --> 0:24:08.088
<v Speaker 1>we've never felt any negativity or any thoughts of we

0:24:08.128 --> 0:24:10.088
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't go ahead with this or anything like that. And

0:24:10.128 --> 0:24:13.488
<v Speaker 1>every pregnancy is different, of course, and for us it

0:24:13.608 --> 0:24:17.048
<v Speaker 1>was just okay, you know, we've been hopeful for one

0:24:17.088 --> 0:24:20.488
<v Speaker 1>and now blessed with three. We are so lucky. And

0:24:20.488 --> 0:24:24.528
<v Speaker 1>that was then, you know, the joy returned and we went, okay, well,

0:24:24.528 --> 0:24:27.088
<v Speaker 1>now we need to figure out how we actually do this.

0:24:27.728 --> 0:24:30.448
<v Speaker 1>It was a rollercoaster, yeah, but it were a really

0:24:30.528 --> 0:24:35.208
<v Speaker 1>defining moment in our relationship as well, to support each

0:24:35.208 --> 0:24:38.008
<v Speaker 1>other through a you know, a tricky situation, but then

0:24:38.088 --> 0:24:40.528
<v Speaker 1>to choose the joy and to choose to step forward

0:24:40.528 --> 0:24:44.288
<v Speaker 1>together in that really united mindset. We also then made

0:24:44.328 --> 0:24:47.167
<v Speaker 1>the decision to tell our family members then, because we

0:24:47.288 --> 0:24:50.488
<v Speaker 1>knew that we would need support, and so we shared

0:24:50.528 --> 0:24:53.888
<v Speaker 1>the news very early with our parents, so with my

0:24:54.008 --> 0:24:59.048
<v Speaker 1>parents and then Matt's mum. It was a really welcomed,

0:24:59.568 --> 0:25:03.248
<v Speaker 1>joyful news because for the first you know, six months

0:25:03.248 --> 0:25:07.048
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty, we had been living in the grief

0:25:07.128 --> 0:25:10.207
<v Speaker 1>of losing that dad and that affected all of us

0:25:10.208 --> 0:25:13.768
<v Speaker 1>in different ways, and so to have this joyful news

0:25:14.648 --> 0:25:18.648
<v Speaker 1>was really special and it never took away from the

0:25:18.648 --> 0:25:21.288
<v Speaker 1>heartache that we were still navigating, but it was like

0:25:21.368 --> 0:25:24.008
<v Speaker 1>this glimmer of hope, like, oh, okay, there is now

0:25:24.048 --> 0:25:26.368
<v Speaker 1>something to look forward to. Because it was also at

0:25:26.368 --> 0:25:29.608
<v Speaker 1>a time of COVID, right, so there was so much

0:25:29.688 --> 0:25:34.008
<v Speaker 1>collective heaviness in the world and uncertainty, and so this

0:25:34.208 --> 0:25:38.007
<v Speaker 1>was this little glimmer of hope and shock factor as

0:25:38.048 --> 0:25:41.248
<v Speaker 1>well because there's three babies coming now, so I think

0:25:41.288 --> 0:25:45.008
<v Speaker 1>everyone was really processing, but above all, there was so

0:25:45.168 --> 0:25:50.927
<v Speaker 1>much joy and something to look forward to. So life

0:25:50.928 --> 0:25:53.608
<v Speaker 1>sort of continued and you know, we just sort of

0:25:53.608 --> 0:25:56.408
<v Speaker 1>went about our normal days and that was really yeah,

0:25:56.488 --> 0:25:59.927
<v Speaker 1>this June time for us. It was then in August

0:26:00.488 --> 0:26:03.927
<v Speaker 1>that Matt and I celebrated our wedding anniversary at our

0:26:03.928 --> 0:26:07.248
<v Speaker 1>third wedding anniversary, and I didn't know it would be

0:26:07.288 --> 0:26:12.928
<v Speaker 1>our last together. It was the following week that Matt

0:26:13.008 --> 0:26:15.888
<v Speaker 1>went out for his normal morning run, but he didn't

0:26:15.888 --> 0:26:21.368
<v Speaker 1>return home. He went out for his run and I said, well,

0:26:21.408 --> 0:26:23.928
<v Speaker 1>I'll jump in the shower so that when you get

0:26:23.928 --> 0:26:27.608
<v Speaker 1>home we're ready for the day. I got out of

0:26:27.648 --> 0:26:34.288
<v Speaker 1>the shower and I thought to myself, I need to

0:26:34.328 --> 0:26:41.608
<v Speaker 1>cite Matt, and I had no emotion connected to that statement.

0:26:43.848 --> 0:26:49.648
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think anything was wrong. I didn't think anything

0:26:49.688 --> 0:26:57.008
<v Speaker 1>was right. I just said it completely factually, and I

0:26:57.048 --> 0:27:00.008
<v Speaker 1>got in the car. I hadn't done my hair and makeup.

0:27:01.128 --> 0:27:02.728
<v Speaker 1>My hair was still wet from the shower, and I

0:27:02.808 --> 0:27:06.808
<v Speaker 1>just got in the car and I drove, and I

0:27:07.088 --> 0:27:15.488
<v Speaker 1>drove probably five hundred meters at most, and I found him.

0:27:15.768 --> 0:27:22.248
<v Speaker 1>He was hit by a car. The accident had already happened,

0:27:24.248 --> 0:27:27.328
<v Speaker 1>and the police officer said to me, did you hear

0:27:27.328 --> 0:27:33.568
<v Speaker 1>the sirens? Said now, I think I.

0:27:33.488 --> 0:27:34.568
<v Speaker 4>Just needed to be here.

0:27:36.448 --> 0:27:40.328
<v Speaker 1>And I still don't know why I was there. All

0:27:40.328 --> 0:27:42.167
<v Speaker 1>I can think of is that Matt came to me,

0:27:42.248 --> 0:27:46.207
<v Speaker 1>and he came to get me. I think he wanted

0:27:46.248 --> 0:27:52.128
<v Speaker 1>me close because we were always together. The officials on site,

0:27:52.208 --> 0:27:56.168
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't let me go to Matt. I was begging,

0:27:57.888 --> 0:28:00.328
<v Speaker 1>and they told me that I couldn't go over there,

0:28:01.808 --> 0:28:04.407
<v Speaker 1>and I remember just being in a real state of shock.

0:28:05.808 --> 0:28:09.648
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to be with my husband. I remember

0:28:09.808 --> 0:28:12.368
<v Speaker 1>vividly what I said back to the officer when he

0:28:12.408 --> 0:28:17.687
<v Speaker 1>told me the news. First thing I said is I

0:28:17.688 --> 0:28:18.528
<v Speaker 1>need to call his mum.

0:28:19.928 --> 0:28:23.768
<v Speaker 4>And the police officer said, you can't do that, We'll

0:28:23.808 --> 0:28:28.368
<v Speaker 4>do that, And it was almost that comment that made

0:28:28.368 --> 0:28:30.568
<v Speaker 4>me realize how bad this was.

0:28:31.608 --> 0:28:33.968
<v Speaker 1>And so that's when my life changed in an instant.

0:28:34.688 --> 0:28:42.928
<v Speaker 1>I was seventeen weeks pregnant and I'd just become a widow.

0:28:46.728 --> 0:28:50.608
<v Speaker 1>There's elements of the day that are completely blurry and

0:28:50.688 --> 0:28:55.128
<v Speaker 1>other elements that are so vivid. I can recall sense,

0:28:55.648 --> 0:29:00.848
<v Speaker 1>I can recall sounds. I remember going home, so my

0:29:01.048 --> 0:29:04.648
<v Speaker 1>parents had then been called and had arrived at the

0:29:04.688 --> 0:29:10.168
<v Speaker 1>scene to collect me. And when I got back to

0:29:10.208 --> 0:29:16.568
<v Speaker 1>the house, I remember sitting on our couch completely glazed over.

0:29:17.528 --> 0:29:21.368
<v Speaker 1>My eyes were open, but I wasn't really there and

0:29:22.808 --> 0:29:28.648
<v Speaker 1>I was just gazing into the distance. And my mother

0:29:28.688 --> 0:29:33.408
<v Speaker 1>in law arrived and I just remember hearing my mom

0:29:33.488 --> 0:29:38.568
<v Speaker 1>saying she hasn't cried yet, and I was just in

0:29:38.648 --> 0:29:44.208
<v Speaker 1>the absolute shock. And then I remember at night, so

0:29:44.328 --> 0:29:46.808
<v Speaker 1>my family and I we all went to my sister's house.

0:29:47.568 --> 0:29:51.288
<v Speaker 1>I remember saying to Mom, I'm scared to go to

0:29:51.328 --> 0:29:56.968
<v Speaker 1>sleep and I'm scared to be awake. And that was

0:29:57.048 --> 0:30:01.088
<v Speaker 1>really when the fear set in of the reality of

0:30:01.368 --> 0:30:08.288
<v Speaker 1>the situation. Now the coming days were more blurry. I

0:30:08.408 --> 0:30:12.208
<v Speaker 1>was unable to walk, so my body completely shut down.

0:30:13.648 --> 0:30:17.408
<v Speaker 1>I didn't walk for five days because I just I

0:30:17.448 --> 0:30:20.608
<v Speaker 1>physically couldn't. It was such a strange feeling. But I

0:30:20.688 --> 0:30:25.568
<v Speaker 1>couldn't lift my body at all. So my dad would

0:30:25.608 --> 0:30:28.568
<v Speaker 1>lift me out of bed in the morning, he'd carry

0:30:28.608 --> 0:30:31.168
<v Speaker 1>me to the bathroom, put me on the bathroom floor.

0:30:33.008 --> 0:30:35.048
<v Speaker 1>My mum and sister would undress me and shower at

0:30:35.088 --> 0:30:38.048
<v Speaker 1>me and dress me again, and then my dad would

0:30:38.088 --> 0:30:39.928
<v Speaker 1>carry me to the couch and I would la that

0:30:39.968 --> 0:30:43.328
<v Speaker 1>the whole day. I was unable to even lift my head,

0:30:44.288 --> 0:30:48.848
<v Speaker 1>so my family got some liquid meals and they fed

0:30:48.848 --> 0:30:53.688
<v Speaker 1>me through a straw because I just couldn't do anything.

0:30:54.808 --> 0:30:59.528
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have any capacity for anything physically, mentally, emotionally.

0:31:00.128 --> 0:31:03.408
<v Speaker 1>It was just all going to the babies to keep

0:31:03.448 --> 0:31:06.728
<v Speaker 1>them alive, because we'd already been told at that six

0:31:06.768 --> 0:31:10.688
<v Speaker 1>week mark that I could loose them at any time,

0:31:11.248 --> 0:31:15.928
<v Speaker 1>and so I was so fearful of losing them. Everyone

0:31:15.968 --> 0:31:17.848
<v Speaker 1>sort of shares that, oh, you know, you should be

0:31:17.888 --> 0:31:20.488
<v Speaker 1>excited in pregnancy and you should be joyful, And I've

0:31:20.528 --> 0:31:26.648
<v Speaker 1>just had the most extreme loss not just of my

0:31:26.848 --> 0:31:29.288
<v Speaker 1>husband but also the life that we dreamed. You know,

0:31:29.368 --> 0:31:33.968
<v Speaker 1>we'd imagined this family life that he's now not here for.

0:31:34.408 --> 0:31:37.648
<v Speaker 1>I'm now a solo mum, and I've had this moment

0:31:37.888 --> 0:31:43.368
<v Speaker 1>of I'm grieving our family life, but a family life

0:31:43.408 --> 0:31:48.368
<v Speaker 1>that never even started and that will never be. Our

0:31:48.448 --> 0:31:52.248
<v Speaker 1>kids never get to hear Matt's voice, They never hear

0:31:52.328 --> 0:31:57.408
<v Speaker 1>Daddy say I love you, they never get to feel

0:31:57.408 --> 0:32:03.168
<v Speaker 1>his hug, and so I'm already grieving for our kids,

0:32:03.968 --> 0:32:05.808
<v Speaker 1>for the life that they will miss out on and

0:32:06.288 --> 0:32:08.608
<v Speaker 1>the life that Matt misses too with them.

0:32:08.648 --> 0:32:11.288
<v Speaker 2>Through all of this, I actually had to keep fighting.

0:32:11.768 --> 0:32:14.288
<v Speaker 2>She had as scare with the babies at twenty weeks,

0:32:14.608 --> 0:32:17.248
<v Speaker 2>and the doctors told her for them to survive, she'd

0:32:17.288 --> 0:32:19.288
<v Speaker 2>need to make it to at least twenty four.

0:32:19.808 --> 0:32:22.328
<v Speaker 1>I thought, at that moment, the last three weeks I've

0:32:22.328 --> 0:32:26.368
<v Speaker 1>feen absolute hell. I don't know if I can do

0:32:26.408 --> 0:32:29.208
<v Speaker 1>another four. And at the same time, I had no

0:32:29.328 --> 0:32:34.168
<v Speaker 1>choice because I was carrying our babies. And I put

0:32:34.208 --> 0:32:36.088
<v Speaker 1>up my hand and I said I need help. I

0:32:36.168 --> 0:32:38.968
<v Speaker 1>need to book a psychologist. And I said, Mom, I

0:32:38.968 --> 0:32:43.728
<v Speaker 1>need you to help me book this. And that allowed

0:32:43.768 --> 0:32:49.568
<v Speaker 1>me an hour to cry and to just get some

0:32:49.688 --> 0:32:52.928
<v Speaker 1>thoughts out. But then basically as soon as that appointment ended,

0:32:53.328 --> 0:32:55.608
<v Speaker 1>and it was all on a telehealth also during COVID,

0:32:55.648 --> 0:32:58.288
<v Speaker 1>but I then would just hang up the phone and

0:32:58.368 --> 0:32:59.968
<v Speaker 1>then that was it. I was back to the laptop,

0:33:00.088 --> 0:33:02.528
<v Speaker 1>back to doing the ADMIN because I didn't have time.

0:33:03.168 --> 0:33:05.448
<v Speaker 1>And as much as I felt I needed to sit

0:33:05.488 --> 0:33:08.688
<v Speaker 1>in the grief and process, the reality was is, like

0:33:08.728 --> 0:33:11.728
<v Speaker 1>I said, I could lose or welcome our babies at

0:33:11.728 --> 0:33:14.408
<v Speaker 1>any point, so I then need to be ready for that.

0:33:15.168 --> 0:33:19.088
<v Speaker 1>The obstetrician had then said, Ash, I know you're working

0:33:19.088 --> 0:33:22.648
<v Speaker 1>through the grief, but I need you to start preparing

0:33:22.688 --> 0:33:28.928
<v Speaker 1>for PREMI babies because that's a different type of mental, physical,

0:33:28.968 --> 0:33:32.008
<v Speaker 1>and emotional load and at this point in time, you're

0:33:32.008 --> 0:33:37.568
<v Speaker 1>not ready. And of course my reaction is I've got enough.

0:33:37.968 --> 0:33:42.368
<v Speaker 1>I don't have any capacity. And she gave me a

0:33:42.408 --> 0:33:45.848
<v Speaker 1>book and the book's called Just a Moment Too Soon,

0:33:46.888 --> 0:33:49.848
<v Speaker 1>and it's written by nurses and midwives, but also in

0:33:49.888 --> 0:33:53.048
<v Speaker 1>a way that anyone can read and it makes sense.

0:33:53.088 --> 0:33:56.008
<v Speaker 1>And it's written in chapters that are by week, so

0:33:56.128 --> 0:33:59.768
<v Speaker 1>once you get first to that viability stage of twenty

0:33:59.768 --> 0:34:03.168
<v Speaker 1>four weeks, it's then by chapter by week. And I

0:34:03.208 --> 0:34:07.088
<v Speaker 1>was reading the book in line with how far along

0:34:07.088 --> 0:34:09.328
<v Speaker 1>I was in the pregnancy, and so I would finish

0:34:09.328 --> 0:34:13.968
<v Speaker 1>a chapter and feel so relieved because I got through

0:34:13.968 --> 0:34:17.047
<v Speaker 1>the chapter, which meant I got through that week. I

0:34:17.047 --> 0:34:18.968
<v Speaker 1>think the hardest bit of that as well is that

0:34:19.168 --> 0:34:22.488
<v Speaker 1>not only was I doing this without Matt, but when

0:34:22.488 --> 0:34:26.168
<v Speaker 1>you've got that ninety percent overlap, I'm doing it without me.

0:34:27.168 --> 0:34:30.328
<v Speaker 1>I've only got ten percent left, and that ten percent

0:34:30.368 --> 0:34:34.368
<v Speaker 1>is pretty broken right now, so there's not much to

0:34:34.448 --> 0:34:39.048
<v Speaker 1>show up with and to be in that dark space,

0:34:39.368 --> 0:34:44.208
<v Speaker 1>to be that overwhelm isolation. I'm living it and this

0:34:44.368 --> 0:34:47.568
<v Speaker 1>was my life. But also none of my friends understand

0:34:47.568 --> 0:34:50.848
<v Speaker 1>what I'm going through. Like there is that added element

0:34:50.888 --> 0:34:55.208
<v Speaker 1>of isolation too is that I'm alone because I'm a widow,

0:34:55.328 --> 0:34:58.647
<v Speaker 1>and I'm alone because I don't relate to anyone now.

0:34:58.768 --> 0:35:01.928
<v Speaker 1>No one stands and as much as everyone tries to

0:35:01.968 --> 0:35:08.248
<v Speaker 1>help and lovingly help, you don't get it. So that

0:35:08.288 --> 0:35:11.248
<v Speaker 1>adds to the to the grief as well. A lot

0:35:11.248 --> 0:35:14.408
<v Speaker 1>of people say that, you, you know, just take it

0:35:14.408 --> 0:35:17.208
<v Speaker 1>one day at a time, one hour at a time.

0:35:18.168 --> 0:35:20.488
<v Speaker 1>I was only capable of taking it ten minutes at

0:35:20.528 --> 0:35:23.768
<v Speaker 1>a time, and then I was able to slowly build

0:35:23.848 --> 0:35:28.288
<v Speaker 1>up from that and to chip away at it, I suppose,

0:35:28.328 --> 0:35:30.648
<v Speaker 1>And you know, some days I would do twenty minutes

0:35:30.648 --> 0:35:32.848
<v Speaker 1>at a time, and then the next it was five.

0:35:33.608 --> 0:35:36.168
<v Speaker 1>I was twenty nine years old when all of this

0:35:36.328 --> 0:35:42.328
<v Speaker 1>was happening. You know, I'm still this young girl trying

0:35:42.328 --> 0:35:45.408
<v Speaker 1>to navigate a world that I didn't even really well.

0:35:45.408 --> 0:35:48.168
<v Speaker 1>I still don't understand it. I'm in it, but this

0:35:48.328 --> 0:35:52.208
<v Speaker 1>is not how you imagine the last year of your twenties.

0:35:53.568 --> 0:35:56.768
<v Speaker 2>Against all odds, actually took all three of her babies

0:35:56.808 --> 0:35:59.968
<v Speaker 2>through to thirty four weeks. It was a miracle, but

0:36:00.008 --> 0:36:03.528
<v Speaker 2>it only opened the next chapter of an unfathomable grief.

0:36:04.168 --> 0:36:08.888
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, I was incredibly emotional going into the birth, mainly

0:36:09.128 --> 0:36:13.888
<v Speaker 1>the of all three babies arriving, because I still until

0:36:13.888 --> 0:36:18.248
<v Speaker 1>they were here, they weren't here, and so desperately missing that.

0:36:19.968 --> 0:36:22.527
<v Speaker 1>And at the same time I really felt that he

0:36:22.608 --> 0:36:26.688
<v Speaker 1>was there. So that was quite a confronting feeling, because

0:36:27.568 --> 0:36:31.167
<v Speaker 1>it was almost this feeling of your so close and

0:36:31.248 --> 0:36:36.928
<v Speaker 1>so far, and so this real difficult feeling of trying

0:36:37.608 --> 0:36:41.288
<v Speaker 1>to reach him and I couldn't, And it's a really

0:36:41.328 --> 0:36:47.248
<v Speaker 1>hard feeling to explain because it's almost so confusing. And

0:36:47.328 --> 0:36:49.608
<v Speaker 1>then you should be here, but you're not and I

0:36:49.608 --> 0:36:52.168
<v Speaker 1>don't understand this. And then I'm trying to be present

0:36:52.248 --> 0:36:57.608
<v Speaker 1>for their birth and I just I just remember feeling

0:36:57.808 --> 0:37:04.087
<v Speaker 1>so I think lost because I didn't know how I

0:37:04.128 --> 0:37:07.448
<v Speaker 1>was meant to feel, because it was at that moment

0:37:07.568 --> 0:37:16.168
<v Speaker 1>of intense grief with relief that they were here, and

0:37:16.208 --> 0:37:19.888
<v Speaker 1>I was just really caught in the middle of those

0:37:19.888 --> 0:37:22.607
<v Speaker 1>two emotions. And when those emotions are not just there

0:37:22.608 --> 0:37:27.808
<v Speaker 1>but completely heightened, I was just paralyzed with fear. I think,

0:37:28.088 --> 0:37:32.768
<v Speaker 1>just completely overwhelmed. Then we had five weeks in Nku,

0:37:32.928 --> 0:37:38.008
<v Speaker 1>which is a pretty intense environment, and I never understood

0:37:38.048 --> 0:37:40.687
<v Speaker 1>Nicu or I never understood what premi babies really meant.

0:37:40.728 --> 0:37:43.768
<v Speaker 1>I just thought premi babies was, you know, we're little babies,

0:37:44.048 --> 0:37:48.448
<v Speaker 1>and I just never had experience with that before. And

0:37:48.488 --> 0:37:54.648
<v Speaker 1>then I was thrust into this world of birthing triplets

0:37:54.888 --> 0:38:01.687
<v Speaker 1>born prematurely and then entering Nku and having this experience,

0:38:01.768 --> 0:38:06.207
<v Speaker 1>which is confronting at the best of times, to now

0:38:06.248 --> 0:38:11.888
<v Speaker 1>be in that environment without fragile babies and doing it alone.

0:38:12.168 --> 0:38:15.047
<v Speaker 1>My family were with me every minute of the day there,

0:38:16.048 --> 0:38:21.047
<v Speaker 1>and I was still alone. And I'm in hospital in Niku,

0:38:22.168 --> 0:38:28.768
<v Speaker 1>seeing dads with their babies. So Niku is an open

0:38:28.848 --> 0:38:32.488
<v Speaker 1>room and there are multiple babies in the same room,

0:38:32.688 --> 0:38:34.848
<v Speaker 1>and so the families come to visit and they're with

0:38:34.928 --> 0:38:39.968
<v Speaker 1>them the whole day. So here I am still navigating grief.

0:38:40.448 --> 0:38:43.848
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've just lost my husband seventeen weeks ago,

0:38:44.328 --> 0:38:49.448
<v Speaker 1>and I'm seeing dads hold their babies right in front

0:38:49.448 --> 0:38:56.528
<v Speaker 1>of me, and so just the complete overwhelm of emotion

0:38:58.848 --> 0:39:01.127
<v Speaker 1>and trying to be a mum and trying to show

0:39:01.248 --> 0:39:04.248
<v Speaker 1>up and do all the things, and just this constant

0:39:04.568 --> 0:39:12.047
<v Speaker 1>feeling of, you know, this relentless struggle or feeling of

0:39:12.768 --> 0:39:14.848
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter how strong I am or how much I

0:39:14.888 --> 0:39:19.968
<v Speaker 1>show up, it's not enough, and still feeling like we're fighting.

0:39:21.088 --> 0:39:25.128
<v Speaker 1>I never felt, honestly, for the first year that I

0:39:25.208 --> 0:39:28.368
<v Speaker 1>actually took a full breath. I felt that physically that

0:39:28.448 --> 0:39:30.488
<v Speaker 1>I held my breath. I felt it in my body

0:39:30.488 --> 0:39:35.368
<v Speaker 1>that I was bracing, and it was because I had

0:39:35.408 --> 0:39:40.488
<v Speaker 1>evidence that things continue to happen. So don't feel joy,

0:39:40.608 --> 0:39:47.448
<v Speaker 1>don't feel anything, just brace because if you brace, you

0:39:47.528 --> 0:39:51.128
<v Speaker 1>might be able to minimize the emotion, it might not

0:39:51.248 --> 0:39:56.608
<v Speaker 1>feel as heavy. So I lived in this state of fear,

0:39:58.008 --> 0:40:02.008
<v Speaker 1>and I felt like I was holding my breath for

0:40:02.048 --> 0:40:05.808
<v Speaker 1>a year, and I still remember that feeling in isolation.

0:40:06.048 --> 0:40:11.408
<v Speaker 1>All of these events are tragic, they are intense, and

0:40:11.448 --> 0:40:14.248
<v Speaker 1>then I'm dealing with it all together in one go.

0:40:16.608 --> 0:40:20.848
<v Speaker 1>And it was just this complete feeling of overwhelm and

0:40:20.928 --> 0:40:28.527
<v Speaker 1>so finding joy for someone that was previously joyful, carefree,

0:40:28.568 --> 0:40:33.488
<v Speaker 1>didn't even think about it to now having to work

0:40:33.688 --> 0:40:38.368
<v Speaker 1>incredibly hard to not even get to a state of joy,

0:40:38.408 --> 0:40:45.208
<v Speaker 1>but to get to a state of neutral took an

0:40:45.328 --> 0:40:48.968
<v Speaker 1>enormous amount of energy. We spent a total of five

0:40:49.008 --> 0:40:52.647
<v Speaker 1>weeks in the hospital and then we were finally able

0:40:52.688 --> 0:40:55.968
<v Speaker 1>to return home, and that was the first time that

0:40:56.048 --> 0:41:01.488
<v Speaker 1>I went home to our house. It was really important

0:41:01.488 --> 0:41:06.968
<v Speaker 1>to me that the babies go home. Returning home, I

0:41:07.208 --> 0:41:09.928
<v Speaker 1>just kept hearing that conversation that Matt and I had

0:41:09.648 --> 0:41:12.488
<v Speaker 1>had in the car that day, that night that we

0:41:12.808 --> 0:41:17.087
<v Speaker 1>bought the house. This is our family home. And as

0:41:17.168 --> 0:41:19.248
<v Speaker 1>much as my family said, you know, of course we

0:41:19.288 --> 0:41:21.248
<v Speaker 1>can have the babies here, like, we'll figure out the

0:41:21.288 --> 0:41:25.648
<v Speaker 1>best setup, I was adamant that we were going home.

0:41:26.048 --> 0:41:29.648
<v Speaker 2>On top of all of this, and perhaps unsurprisingly, Ashley

0:41:29.768 --> 0:41:32.008
<v Speaker 2>was then diagnosed with postnatal depression.

0:41:32.488 --> 0:41:36.648
<v Speaker 1>There were already sort of red flags you know widow triplets,

0:41:37.208 --> 0:41:39.448
<v Speaker 1>Niku PREMI. You know, there was a lot that was

0:41:39.488 --> 0:41:44.527
<v Speaker 1>already not great for me. And so I remember when

0:41:44.568 --> 0:41:47.808
<v Speaker 1>she did the assessment, she said, oh, just give me

0:41:47.808 --> 0:41:51.127
<v Speaker 1>a minute, and she walked out and she came back

0:41:51.168 --> 0:41:55.848
<v Speaker 1>in and she said, so you've got postnatal depression. And

0:41:55.888 --> 0:41:58.808
<v Speaker 1>I remember looking at her. I remember exactly where she

0:41:58.888 --> 0:42:03.047
<v Speaker 1>was sitting on the day bed with the sun in

0:42:03.088 --> 0:42:08.288
<v Speaker 1>the background, and I looked at her and said, yeah,

0:42:08.328 --> 0:42:13.527
<v Speaker 1>I know. But then I told her I don't know

0:42:13.568 --> 0:42:20.808
<v Speaker 1>what's depression, what's grief, and what's hormones, because it's all

0:42:20.808 --> 0:42:23.448
<v Speaker 1>of it at the same time, he's a new mother.

0:42:23.528 --> 0:42:26.087
<v Speaker 1>A lot of comments are often you know, trust your

0:42:26.128 --> 0:42:28.768
<v Speaker 1>gut and you're a mum, you'll know what to do.

0:42:29.328 --> 0:42:31.248
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have any of that. I didn't have an

0:42:31.288 --> 0:42:37.648
<v Speaker 1>ounce of confidence in myself. And now you're giving me.

0:42:37.768 --> 0:42:39.647
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've already got the label of widow. I'm

0:42:39.688 --> 0:42:41.647
<v Speaker 1>already a solo mum, and now you're telling me I've

0:42:41.648 --> 0:42:45.488
<v Speaker 1>got postnatal depression. I don't have the capacity for anymore.

0:42:46.848 --> 0:42:49.488
<v Speaker 1>For the first or at least twelve months, I was

0:42:49.528 --> 0:42:52.607
<v Speaker 1>getting three to four hours of broken sleep at night,

0:42:53.768 --> 0:42:58.328
<v Speaker 1>and I just put it down to adrenaline was keeping

0:42:58.328 --> 0:43:01.928
<v Speaker 1>me going basically, and I had nothing left to give

0:43:02.248 --> 0:43:05.768
<v Speaker 1>I and I look back now as a level of

0:43:07.048 --> 0:43:09.567
<v Speaker 1>hindsight to think, oh, I shouldn't have been so hard

0:43:09.568 --> 0:43:12.648
<v Speaker 1>on myself, But as a coping strategy as well, it

0:43:12.728 --> 0:43:15.248
<v Speaker 1>was important to me that I show up for everything

0:43:16.448 --> 0:43:20.047
<v Speaker 1>that's not here. I am here. If there's a nappy

0:43:20.128 --> 0:43:22.488
<v Speaker 1>to change, I'll do it. If there's a bottle to

0:43:22.488 --> 0:43:25.328
<v Speaker 1>be fit, I'll do it. As much as there was

0:43:25.368 --> 0:43:28.848
<v Speaker 1>a lot of help around, I needed to do the babies,

0:43:29.088 --> 0:43:33.608
<v Speaker 1>that was really important to me, so I yeah, I

0:43:33.608 --> 0:43:35.328
<v Speaker 1>did have overnight help as well, and there was a

0:43:35.328 --> 0:43:37.047
<v Speaker 1>period where I did have a night nanny so that

0:43:37.048 --> 0:43:40.728
<v Speaker 1>I could get some sleep. Ninety five percent of the

0:43:40.728 --> 0:43:43.488
<v Speaker 1>time I was doing it all, which wasn't great for

0:43:43.568 --> 0:43:46.008
<v Speaker 1>my health in hindsight, but in that moment it was

0:43:46.048 --> 0:43:49.647
<v Speaker 1>incredibly important to me. And I also don't have any

0:43:49.688 --> 0:43:52.368
<v Speaker 1>regrets because I knew that I needed that too as

0:43:52.408 --> 0:43:55.288
<v Speaker 1>part of my healing. I remember the impact that that

0:43:55.448 --> 0:43:57.888
<v Speaker 1>did have on me, though of course I was already

0:43:57.928 --> 0:44:02.607
<v Speaker 1>navigating the emotional stuff, but physically I lost a lot

0:44:02.648 --> 0:44:06.648
<v Speaker 1>of weight and I think I might have been forty

0:44:06.648 --> 0:44:11.128
<v Speaker 1>five kilos, so you could see the weight, you know,

0:44:11.168 --> 0:44:13.607
<v Speaker 1>the skin just hanging off my face, you could see

0:44:13.608 --> 0:44:17.567
<v Speaker 1>my rib cage. I looked really sick, and I was

0:44:17.688 --> 0:44:22.768
<v Speaker 1>so depleted, and it was the physical body was now

0:44:22.808 --> 0:44:27.648
<v Speaker 1>showing what was actually going inside of me, and it

0:44:27.688 --> 0:44:30.448
<v Speaker 1>was not a lot. Every ounce of energy, every ounce

0:44:30.488 --> 0:44:35.527
<v Speaker 1>of happiness that I mustered together was going to the

0:44:35.568 --> 0:44:39.808
<v Speaker 1>babies and there was nothing left. So that was what

0:44:39.888 --> 0:44:43.208
<v Speaker 1>the first year was. It was truly survival, and it

0:44:43.328 --> 0:44:48.848
<v Speaker 1>was giving every ounce of love to our babies. And

0:44:48.888 --> 0:44:51.168
<v Speaker 1>then I really started on my journey of going, Okay,

0:44:52.008 --> 0:44:54.528
<v Speaker 1>I'm not in a good way and I need to

0:44:54.568 --> 0:44:57.687
<v Speaker 1>make some change here. And I had cried every day

0:44:57.688 --> 0:45:00.727
<v Speaker 1>for three hundred and sixty five days, and I don't

0:45:00.768 --> 0:45:05.567
<v Speaker 1>mean like a tear, I mean at least one full

0:45:05.608 --> 0:45:11.728
<v Speaker 1>blown emotional meltdown, totally valid all things considered. But it

0:45:11.768 --> 0:45:15.168
<v Speaker 1>was that realization of even being around the joy of

0:45:15.208 --> 0:45:17.768
<v Speaker 1>the babies that I'd realized I had cried every day

0:45:17.808 --> 0:45:20.527
<v Speaker 1>for three hundred and sixty five days. And it was

0:45:20.568 --> 0:45:25.528
<v Speaker 1>that moment that I decided, I don't want our babies

0:45:25.568 --> 0:45:30.087
<v Speaker 1>to only know me as sad mummy. I'm dealing with

0:45:30.248 --> 0:45:35.087
<v Speaker 1>enough they've got a long road ahead too. I need

0:45:35.128 --> 0:45:38.488
<v Speaker 1>to get help and I need to create change so

0:45:38.528 --> 0:45:41.728
<v Speaker 1>that we can live a joyful life and that we

0:45:41.848 --> 0:45:47.088
<v Speaker 1>can truly feel joy. So that was really the moment

0:45:47.128 --> 0:45:51.168
<v Speaker 1>as well, that I had lived this year of survival

0:45:51.328 --> 0:45:56.888
<v Speaker 1>and I was now ready to prioritize my health. Truly.

0:45:57.048 --> 0:45:58.928
<v Speaker 1>I'd been doing the psychology the whole way through, but

0:45:59.248 --> 0:46:02.288
<v Speaker 1>there was more work that I needed to do. I

0:46:02.368 --> 0:46:09.568
<v Speaker 1>also decided to return to work, and so I knew

0:46:09.608 --> 0:46:14.168
<v Speaker 1>that I was in a state of if I don't

0:46:14.168 --> 0:46:17.448
<v Speaker 1>make change, I'm going to stay in this bubble and

0:46:17.528 --> 0:46:20.448
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to find it harder to get out. So

0:46:20.528 --> 0:46:23.568
<v Speaker 1>I needed to start making some changes, really slow changes.

0:46:23.608 --> 0:46:26.087
<v Speaker 1>So I initially put the kids into daycare one day

0:46:26.088 --> 0:46:29.848
<v Speaker 1>a week, and that happened for six months, and then

0:46:29.888 --> 0:46:31.848
<v Speaker 1>I found the strength to return to work one day

0:46:31.888 --> 0:46:35.288
<v Speaker 1>a week. So everything was super tiny, and that's because

0:46:35.288 --> 0:46:37.087
<v Speaker 1>I actually didn't have the capacity to do anything more

0:46:37.128 --> 0:46:40.328
<v Speaker 1>than that. So I would drop them at daycare. It

0:46:40.408 --> 0:46:42.408
<v Speaker 1>took me about a month to even leave the room.

0:46:43.168 --> 0:46:44.808
<v Speaker 1>So for a long time they were just doing like

0:46:44.848 --> 0:46:47.647
<v Speaker 1>a one hour play date, and they kept saying, Ash,

0:46:47.648 --> 0:46:49.408
<v Speaker 1>you know, you meant to leave and drop them off

0:46:49.448 --> 0:46:51.728
<v Speaker 1>so they can get used to it, and I actually couldn't.

0:46:52.048 --> 0:46:54.408
<v Speaker 1>So I had to be really deliberate with what I

0:46:54.488 --> 0:46:58.368
<v Speaker 1>was capable with and what I was able to handle,

0:46:58.568 --> 0:47:00.208
<v Speaker 1>because I knew that if I got that wrong, I

0:47:00.208 --> 0:47:02.288
<v Speaker 1>would send myself into sort of a worse spiral. So

0:47:02.288 --> 0:47:06.048
<v Speaker 1>I had to be really protective of my mental health initially.

0:47:06.328 --> 0:47:07.888
<v Speaker 1>And then, like I said, I returned to work one

0:47:07.928 --> 0:47:11.047
<v Speaker 1>day week just to ease back into it and just

0:47:11.088 --> 0:47:13.648
<v Speaker 1>take it slow. So that was really the steps that

0:47:13.688 --> 0:47:16.808
<v Speaker 1>I made to get myself back again.

0:47:17.408 --> 0:47:20.768
<v Speaker 2>It was a long, slow and at times debilitating journey,

0:47:21.048 --> 0:47:23.567
<v Speaker 2>but bit by bit, Ash was able to start to

0:47:23.608 --> 0:47:26.928
<v Speaker 2>build herself up and as best she could embrace this

0:47:27.048 --> 0:47:28.888
<v Speaker 2>new life that had been thrust upon her.

0:47:29.568 --> 0:47:33.488
<v Speaker 1>I would say last year, so I would say four

0:47:33.568 --> 0:47:38.848
<v Speaker 1>years after the accident is when I started to look

0:47:38.888 --> 0:47:43.768
<v Speaker 1>in the mirror and see a glimpse of Ash. I

0:47:43.848 --> 0:47:47.248
<v Speaker 1>still look in the mirror and I don't recognize myself.

0:47:48.648 --> 0:47:52.047
<v Speaker 1>I'm not the same person and I never will be.

0:47:52.688 --> 0:47:56.408
<v Speaker 1>I can see deep down she's in there. I'm a

0:47:56.448 --> 0:48:00.047
<v Speaker 1>new version of Ash now and I'm a mum to

0:48:00.088 --> 0:48:05.728
<v Speaker 1>beautiful triplets. So that's the new woman that I see

0:48:05.728 --> 0:48:08.728
<v Speaker 1>in the mirror. I really miss a lot of the

0:48:08.768 --> 0:48:12.968
<v Speaker 1>old version of Ash. But there is a new version now.

0:48:13.288 --> 0:48:17.408
<v Speaker 1>So that's who I see now, and that's the woman

0:48:17.448 --> 0:48:22.568
<v Speaker 1>that I'm becoming. And yeah, the old Ash will never return.

0:48:23.048 --> 0:48:25.768
<v Speaker 1>And I think part of this healing journey has also

0:48:25.808 --> 0:48:29.408
<v Speaker 1>been to I don't think I'll ever accept it, but

0:48:29.528 --> 0:48:34.688
<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge that she's not coming back. And that's incredibly

0:48:34.768 --> 0:48:39.488
<v Speaker 1>hard for me. But I realized that when I lost Matt,

0:48:39.528 --> 0:48:45.248
<v Speaker 1>I lost myself. I have felt Matt every every moment

0:48:45.528 --> 0:48:51.048
<v Speaker 1>since he passed. I've never questioned that I feel him,

0:48:51.608 --> 0:48:56.168
<v Speaker 1>I hear him, I see him, and even though it

0:48:56.288 --> 0:48:58.608
<v Speaker 1>was going home to an empty home, it was because

0:48:58.608 --> 0:49:01.848
<v Speaker 1>he was with us anyway. So I know he's still

0:49:01.848 --> 0:49:04.808
<v Speaker 1>with us, and it's just in a different way. I

0:49:04.848 --> 0:49:08.488
<v Speaker 1>don't think there was a moment where I had, you know,

0:49:08.568 --> 0:49:12.808
<v Speaker 1>the penny drop moment he's actually gone. I think after

0:49:12.848 --> 0:49:15.527
<v Speaker 1>the accident, I continued to wake up and I thought

0:49:15.568 --> 0:49:19.888
<v Speaker 1>that every morning, because even though I was at the scene,

0:49:20.008 --> 0:49:25.288
<v Speaker 1>I definitely had a moment of disbelief, and so I thought,

0:49:27.168 --> 0:49:30.448
<v Speaker 1>maybe he just got lost on his run and he's

0:49:30.488 --> 0:49:33.328
<v Speaker 1>just still coming home. And I think maybe it was

0:49:33.368 --> 0:49:36.768
<v Speaker 1>more just as every day passed, I got further away

0:49:36.768 --> 0:49:41.248
<v Speaker 1>from that. And so it was this gradual realization that

0:49:42.168 --> 0:49:46.288
<v Speaker 1>this is my life now and I am alone, and

0:49:46.368 --> 0:49:49.048
<v Speaker 1>I've never reconciled that, and I don't think I ever will.

0:49:49.968 --> 0:49:55.408
<v Speaker 1>The magnitude of the loss, yeah, I think because we

0:49:55.408 --> 0:49:59.687
<v Speaker 1>were so connected, I guess that just hasn't gone. I mean,

0:50:00.088 --> 0:50:03.648
<v Speaker 1>obviously physically I've lost him, and I've lost the conversation,

0:50:03.848 --> 0:50:10.208
<v Speaker 1>the companionship, and I still feel connected to him. Still

0:50:11.008 --> 0:50:14.448
<v Speaker 1>make decisions, you know, particularly for the kids, but just

0:50:14.568 --> 0:50:18.087
<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, I make decisions with him in mind, like

0:50:18.328 --> 0:50:24.127
<v Speaker 1>he is so present in my mind that I never

0:50:24.328 --> 0:50:28.448
<v Speaker 1>doubt that he's not here. And you know, I still

0:50:28.488 --> 0:50:33.968
<v Speaker 1>catch myself saying our bedroom, or we've decided to do this,

0:50:34.728 --> 0:50:38.448
<v Speaker 1>and then I go, oh, I mean I no, it

0:50:38.568 --> 0:50:41.368
<v Speaker 1>is we. And so it just feels this really strange

0:50:41.408 --> 0:50:47.648
<v Speaker 1>feeling of it is us. It's different, but it is

0:50:47.728 --> 0:50:51.768
<v Speaker 1>still that. And I know that people have different beliefs

0:50:51.768 --> 0:50:54.968
<v Speaker 1>of that, and people can struggle with that thought process.

0:50:55.008 --> 0:50:59.208
<v Speaker 1>But to the kids and I, he is present and

0:50:59.248 --> 0:51:03.248
<v Speaker 1>he is here. They definitely look like him. They've got

0:51:03.248 --> 0:51:06.527
<v Speaker 1>his eyes, and there is so much that they do.

0:51:07.808 --> 0:51:11.168
<v Speaker 1>That kind of startles me and I go, oh, that's Daddy,

0:51:11.968 --> 0:51:16.608
<v Speaker 1>And it's heartbreaking and beautiful at the same time because

0:51:16.648 --> 0:51:18.408
<v Speaker 1>I see it and I go, oh, my gosh, he's

0:51:18.448 --> 0:51:24.808
<v Speaker 1>so close again, and yeah, it just feels perfect and

0:51:24.848 --> 0:51:29.928
<v Speaker 1>beautiful that he's so close. The most important thing for

0:51:30.088 --> 0:51:34.328
<v Speaker 1>me is that they know how much Daddy loves them.

0:51:34.728 --> 0:51:38.688
<v Speaker 1>So I've never been able to say Mummy loves you.

0:51:39.568 --> 0:51:43.488
<v Speaker 1>I can only say Mummy and Daddy love you because

0:51:43.528 --> 0:51:46.848
<v Speaker 1>I am now his voice, and so I make sure

0:51:46.928 --> 0:51:52.848
<v Speaker 1>that they know that. And I'm constantly sharing stories and memories.

0:51:53.088 --> 0:51:57.088
<v Speaker 1>And I'm also allowing them, particularly as they get older,

0:51:58.008 --> 0:52:01.247
<v Speaker 1>you know, to ask questions, but to also include Matt

0:52:01.328 --> 0:52:03.448
<v Speaker 1>how they want to. You know, it's not about me

0:52:03.568 --> 0:52:07.368
<v Speaker 1>projecting grief, but it is about me sharing this is

0:52:07.408 --> 0:52:09.648
<v Speaker 1>your dad, and these are all of the amazing story

0:52:09.888 --> 0:52:13.008
<v Speaker 1>that I have of him. Sometimes they will now ask

0:52:13.368 --> 0:52:15.368
<v Speaker 1>me to play Daddy's music. You know, they know his

0:52:15.408 --> 0:52:18.248
<v Speaker 1>favorite songs, and you know, unprompted, they will ask for

0:52:18.288 --> 0:52:22.728
<v Speaker 1>that and they love singing along, and so you know,

0:52:22.768 --> 0:52:27.888
<v Speaker 1>it's allowing them to also include him if and when

0:52:27.928 --> 0:52:30.968
<v Speaker 1>they feel it too. We have a lot of photos

0:52:30.968 --> 0:52:35.368
<v Speaker 1>around the house and they will often talk to those photos.

0:52:36.048 --> 0:52:38.128
<v Speaker 1>They talk about him every day. You know, he is

0:52:38.528 --> 0:52:41.568
<v Speaker 1>super present, and it's just in really simple, sort of

0:52:41.728 --> 0:52:46.567
<v Speaker 1>mundane tasks that we just talk about him, and it's

0:52:46.568 --> 0:52:48.408
<v Speaker 1>sort of Yeah, it's really up to them as well

0:52:48.408 --> 0:52:50.607
<v Speaker 1>as to how much they want to ask or talk

0:52:50.648 --> 0:52:53.688
<v Speaker 1>about him. It's really lovely seeing as they're getting older,

0:52:53.768 --> 0:52:59.048
<v Speaker 1>how they yeah, how they include him every day that passes.

0:52:59.128 --> 0:53:03.968
<v Speaker 1>I do fear getting more distant to Matt, and I

0:53:04.048 --> 0:53:07.448
<v Speaker 1>know that there will be a point where I've been

0:53:07.768 --> 0:53:11.848
<v Speaker 1>without Matt longer than I was with him, and I'm

0:53:11.888 --> 0:53:18.288
<v Speaker 1>really fearful of that. We've just celebrated another anniversary, another milestone,

0:53:18.328 --> 0:53:22.848
<v Speaker 1>and it was because we married so late into our relationship,

0:53:23.848 --> 0:53:27.928
<v Speaker 1>I've had more wedding anniversaries without him, and so that

0:53:28.048 --> 0:53:32.408
<v Speaker 1>was our really really tough day. So while I do

0:53:32.488 --> 0:53:35.248
<v Speaker 1>fear it, I know he's with us, but it's not

0:53:35.328 --> 0:53:42.247
<v Speaker 1>in the same way. And so I fear forgetting even

0:53:42.248 --> 0:53:43.808
<v Speaker 1>though I know I talk about him all the time

0:53:43.888 --> 0:53:45.448
<v Speaker 1>and I look at photos and I do all of

0:53:45.488 --> 0:53:47.928
<v Speaker 1>the things, but I'll still.

0:53:47.688 --> 0:53:49.928
<v Speaker 3>Carry that fear through everything.

0:53:50.128 --> 0:53:52.888
<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's not only been able to find but create

0:53:53.128 --> 0:53:56.488
<v Speaker 2>joy and beauty in every aspect of her life, both

0:53:56.528 --> 0:53:59.968
<v Speaker 2>in spite of and because of what she's weathered since

0:54:00.008 --> 0:54:02.448
<v Speaker 2>losing man. She's gone on to create a platform for

0:54:02.568 --> 0:54:05.567
<v Speaker 2>other widows, knowing all too well what someone has to

0:54:05.608 --> 0:54:08.328
<v Speaker 2>go through while also trying to navigate grief.

0:54:09.008 --> 0:54:13.688
<v Speaker 1>So I decided to create Yellow Falcon, and I created

0:54:13.728 --> 0:54:17.608
<v Speaker 1>it for the girl that I am, not just for

0:54:17.648 --> 0:54:19.888
<v Speaker 1>the girl that I was when I first lost Matt,

0:54:20.408 --> 0:54:23.408
<v Speaker 1>but for the girl that I still am. I was

0:54:23.488 --> 0:54:28.128
<v Speaker 1>the widow tralling the Internet trying to find not just

0:54:28.208 --> 0:54:31.568
<v Speaker 1>information as to that death admin that needs to happen,

0:54:31.728 --> 0:54:34.728
<v Speaker 1>or you know, the feelings and the scenarios that I

0:54:34.768 --> 0:54:37.848
<v Speaker 1>will go through, but also the community because I felt

0:54:37.848 --> 0:54:41.768
<v Speaker 1>so lost and I didn't know. I didn't know that

0:54:42.248 --> 0:54:45.208
<v Speaker 1>there were other widows out there. You know, often widow

0:54:45.368 --> 0:54:49.208
<v Speaker 1>is associated with an older lady who loses her husband

0:54:49.248 --> 0:54:54.248
<v Speaker 1>later in life, which is somewhat expected. So I created

0:54:54.248 --> 0:54:58.448
<v Speaker 1>this space because I realized that it didn't exist, and

0:54:59.128 --> 0:55:03.888
<v Speaker 1>I also wanted to create something that was practical, because

0:55:03.888 --> 0:55:08.127
<v Speaker 1>a lot of grief support is the emotional support, it's

0:55:08.208 --> 0:55:14.328
<v Speaker 1>counseling services, it's support groups that is important. There's a

0:55:14.448 --> 0:55:18.488
<v Speaker 1>lot of practical that is included to as becoming a widow.

0:55:18.528 --> 0:55:22.527
<v Speaker 1>So yellow Falcon is the combination of both. It is

0:55:22.568 --> 0:55:25.968
<v Speaker 1>a place to be, to be seen, and it is

0:55:26.088 --> 0:55:28.648
<v Speaker 1>yellow because it is joyful and there is hope. And

0:55:28.688 --> 0:55:31.368
<v Speaker 1>we're not defined by the darkness, We're not defined by

0:55:31.728 --> 0:55:37.488
<v Speaker 1>the tragedy. We are the falcon rising above the storm.

0:55:37.968 --> 0:55:41.688
<v Speaker 1>But falcon is also the bird that is quite powerful

0:55:42.248 --> 0:55:48.128
<v Speaker 1>and peaceful. So what I've created is a checklist of

0:55:48.168 --> 0:55:50.288
<v Speaker 1>all of the death admin of which there is a lot.

0:55:50.328 --> 0:55:54.288
<v Speaker 1>And I had no idea because I was trolling government

0:55:54.288 --> 0:55:58.728
<v Speaker 1>websites and utility company websites and it's just everywhere. There

0:55:58.808 --> 0:56:02.328
<v Speaker 1>is no one place, and you're already like sleep deprived,

0:56:02.448 --> 0:56:05.488
<v Speaker 1>trying to navigate grief and you're just trying to find

0:56:05.488 --> 0:56:07.928
<v Speaker 1>the information, and often the government sites are just in

0:56:08.048 --> 0:56:10.088
<v Speaker 1>gibberish and like, I don't even know what that means means.

0:56:10.648 --> 0:56:14.048
<v Speaker 1>So I created this to have everything in one place,

0:56:14.928 --> 0:56:16.648
<v Speaker 1>and then I built the course. So I've built the

0:56:16.648 --> 0:56:22.248
<v Speaker 1>Confident Widow Course, which is all about sharing the scenarios

0:56:23.048 --> 0:56:26.087
<v Speaker 1>and the situations that we face as widows, and it's

0:56:26.088 --> 0:56:28.568
<v Speaker 1>doing it in a way that's super easy, like seven

0:56:28.608 --> 0:56:31.168
<v Speaker 1>minute video and then a workbook for you to just

0:56:31.208 --> 0:56:34.687
<v Speaker 1>work through your individual situation. But what I'm really proud

0:56:34.768 --> 0:56:37.488
<v Speaker 1>of is that I've also put with it all of

0:56:37.528 --> 0:56:40.288
<v Speaker 1>the templates that you need to document all of the

0:56:40.328 --> 0:56:43.328
<v Speaker 1>phone calls. I love a spreadsheet, so this is like

0:56:43.408 --> 0:56:46.688
<v Speaker 1>my love language, and I am able to now gift

0:56:46.728 --> 0:56:49.607
<v Speaker 1>this in a way that feels really purposeful. So there

0:56:49.608 --> 0:56:54.567
<v Speaker 1>are templates to share and to relieve some of the

0:56:54.608 --> 0:56:57.008
<v Speaker 1>mental load. And there's also all of the scripts. So

0:56:57.048 --> 0:57:00.127
<v Speaker 1>I've got over seventy four scripts and messages. And this

0:57:00.168 --> 0:57:02.408
<v Speaker 1>is everything from calling the bank and knowing what to

0:57:02.448 --> 0:57:05.048
<v Speaker 1>say to get through to the right department, what documents

0:57:05.048 --> 0:57:07.288
<v Speaker 1>you need to have available for that phone call, what

0:57:07.448 --> 0:57:10.328
<v Speaker 1>questions they may ask you, but even like a text

0:57:10.368 --> 0:57:12.888
<v Speaker 1>message that you could send to a friend to ask

0:57:12.928 --> 0:57:15.808
<v Speaker 1>them to pets at your cap Like I wanted it

0:57:15.848 --> 0:57:18.008
<v Speaker 1>to be everything, because there's so much mental loads. So

0:57:18.448 --> 0:57:20.768
<v Speaker 1>that's the course. I've got a whole module on like

0:57:20.848 --> 0:57:23.208
<v Speaker 1>financial and legal foundations and what you just need to

0:57:23.208 --> 0:57:26.408
<v Speaker 1>get by until you can speak to a professional navigating

0:57:26.448 --> 0:57:29.048
<v Speaker 1>grief with kids. So just trying to be that really holistic.

0:57:29.168 --> 0:57:35.208
<v Speaker 1>And I never expected to work in grief, and I

0:57:35.248 --> 0:57:42.208
<v Speaker 1>feel so aligned and everything I've created I've done and

0:57:42.488 --> 0:57:45.088
<v Speaker 1>I've lived it. I've just consolidated it now and I'm

0:57:45.128 --> 0:57:55.008
<v Speaker 1>now sharing it. It feels humbling and sad because when

0:57:55.048 --> 0:57:58.008
<v Speaker 1>I created this initially, I created the checklist and I

0:57:58.008 --> 0:57:59.968
<v Speaker 1>shared it with a funeral director as well as a

0:58:00.008 --> 0:58:02.448
<v Speaker 1>grief and drama specialist, and I said, if I'm going

0:58:02.488 --> 0:58:04.008
<v Speaker 1>to share this, I want to check that it's right,

0:58:05.088 --> 0:58:09.168
<v Speaker 1>and between the two of them, highly experienced, they had

0:58:09.168 --> 0:58:12.448
<v Speaker 1>one top point to add. And that's when I had

0:58:12.448 --> 0:58:15.248
<v Speaker 1>a big cry because I realized that I had done

0:58:15.288 --> 0:58:17.808
<v Speaker 1>it all and I sort of hadn't really processed that.

0:58:17.968 --> 0:58:22.008
<v Speaker 1>And so doing this work now feels like I'm really

0:58:22.048 --> 0:58:25.928
<v Speaker 1>proud of it, and I'm still in disbelief that I've

0:58:26.408 --> 0:58:29.088
<v Speaker 1>done it now, created this and then sharing it. So

0:58:29.288 --> 0:58:33.688
<v Speaker 1>I always feel both, yeah, that the sadness is always there,

0:58:35.008 --> 0:58:38.208
<v Speaker 1>and I know how helpful this can be. So I

0:58:38.248 --> 0:58:40.968
<v Speaker 1>feel really proud that I might be able to give

0:58:41.048 --> 0:58:43.808
<v Speaker 1>some light and some hope to someone because I know

0:58:44.768 --> 0:58:49.248
<v Speaker 1>the darkness they are in. There's a lot that's different

0:58:49.248 --> 0:58:55.008
<v Speaker 1>with new Ash. She's a lot more resilient. She's also

0:58:55.048 --> 0:59:01.088
<v Speaker 1>a lot more fragile, and she's still working on her joy.

0:59:01.808 --> 0:59:04.288
<v Speaker 1>There is a lot there, but she's a lot more

0:59:05.248 --> 0:59:12.088
<v Speaker 1>maybe cautious, and she's been through a lot. There's a

0:59:12.088 --> 0:59:18.128
<v Speaker 1>few things that come out of trauma because I can

0:59:18.608 --> 0:59:24.088
<v Speaker 1>vividly recall sounds, smells. Like I said, the time of

0:59:24.128 --> 0:59:28.248
<v Speaker 1>the day, multiple things are a trigger, and that is

0:59:28.328 --> 0:59:32.808
<v Speaker 1>due to trauma. I don't cross the road unless it's

0:59:32.808 --> 0:59:35.648
<v Speaker 1>out a set of traffic lights. I'm very traumatized by that.

0:59:36.048 --> 0:59:39.928
<v Speaker 1>I'm very aware of road safety, especially with the kids.

0:59:40.448 --> 0:59:42.648
<v Speaker 1>We've actually just returned from a little holiday with some

0:59:42.768 --> 0:59:45.968
<v Speaker 1>friends of ours and a beautiful you know, six families

0:59:45.968 --> 0:59:50.128
<v Speaker 1>that we've met through daycare, and I definitely had some

0:59:50.248 --> 0:59:54.808
<v Speaker 1>tears behind closed doors. Seeing a dad with the family

0:59:54.928 --> 1:00:03.488
<v Speaker 1>unit is hard watching, you know, dads build sand castles

1:00:03.488 --> 1:00:07.048
<v Speaker 1>with their kids, hearing the kids laugh at dad, you know,

1:00:07.288 --> 1:00:11.528
<v Speaker 1>dad jokes and that sort of thing. But even seeing

1:00:11.648 --> 1:00:15.968
<v Speaker 1>parents co parent and be able to tag team, you know,

1:00:16.088 --> 1:00:20.728
<v Speaker 1>on this holiday, they're tag teaming parenting, they're tag teaming

1:00:20.728 --> 1:00:23.448
<v Speaker 1>the chores. They're even having a little nap during the day,

1:00:24.168 --> 1:00:29.208
<v Speaker 1>and like all well and good, no hard feelings, and

1:00:29.328 --> 1:00:32.488
<v Speaker 1>it's also really confronting, and you know, the easier thing

1:00:32.528 --> 1:00:35.128
<v Speaker 1>would have been for me to have declined that trip

1:00:35.168 --> 1:00:39.368
<v Speaker 1>and said, you know what, too much, can't do it. Thanks,

1:00:39.448 --> 1:00:41.688
<v Speaker 1>but no thanks, and then we would have missed the

1:00:41.808 --> 1:00:48.488
<v Speaker 1>joy because this beautiful friendship circle also allowed me to

1:00:48.608 --> 1:00:53.448
<v Speaker 1>experience that for a brief moment. And these friends also

1:00:53.968 --> 1:00:57.888
<v Speaker 1>support the kids and I and they also help me

1:00:59.448 --> 1:01:02.448
<v Speaker 1>to give these memories to the kids. They were helping

1:01:02.448 --> 1:01:05.368
<v Speaker 1>me with the kids on their bikes, and so they

1:01:05.448 --> 1:01:09.848
<v Speaker 1>make sure while they're creating their memories, there's also group memory.

1:01:10.368 --> 1:01:13.608
<v Speaker 1>But they're supporting me to help make memories with our

1:01:13.688 --> 1:01:19.488
<v Speaker 1>kids too, and so there are things that are triggering,

1:01:19.728 --> 1:01:22.208
<v Speaker 1>there's still that joy. So that's where I'm finding joy

1:01:22.288 --> 1:01:24.568
<v Speaker 1>now and it's not the same and it is in

1:01:24.648 --> 1:01:28.208
<v Speaker 1>parallel with heartbreak, but I wouldn't have got that had

1:01:28.248 --> 1:01:29.928
<v Speaker 1>we not gone on that trip, for example, I would

1:01:29.928 --> 1:01:33.128
<v Speaker 1>have missed that. And we have come away with beautiful

1:01:33.168 --> 1:01:36.088
<v Speaker 1>memories and we've had a lot of fun. I'm exhausted

1:01:36.088 --> 1:01:38.888
<v Speaker 1>because I've done everything for four days. There's no naps

1:01:38.928 --> 1:01:44.247
<v Speaker 1>on my schedule, there's no tag teaming, and I am here,

1:01:45.448 --> 1:01:47.968
<v Speaker 1>that's not I am and I get to do those things.

1:01:47.968 --> 1:01:53.008
<v Speaker 1>So it's never a feeling of jealousy towards our friends

1:01:53.088 --> 1:01:57.008
<v Speaker 1>or to anyone else, any other family. Of course I

1:01:57.048 --> 1:02:00.128
<v Speaker 1>feel sad, but I get to do these things. I

1:02:00.168 --> 1:02:03.008
<v Speaker 1>get to show up for our kids, and there is

1:02:03.048 --> 1:02:05.968
<v Speaker 1>a lot of beauty in that. The future looks like

1:02:06.088 --> 1:02:09.328
<v Speaker 1>more running races in the backyard with the kids, lots

1:02:09.328 --> 1:02:15.648
<v Speaker 1>of straw milkshakes, and just joy. That's what the future

1:02:15.688 --> 1:02:20.448
<v Speaker 1>looks like, creating more joy. I hope that our kids

1:02:21.728 --> 1:02:28.528
<v Speaker 1>always know how much Mummy and Daddy love them, and honestly,

1:02:28.888 --> 1:02:32.288
<v Speaker 1>I just hope that they're happy and healthy, because that

1:02:32.488 --> 1:02:37.008
<v Speaker 1>is the greatest gift. I will always feel such a

1:02:37.128 --> 1:02:42.928
<v Speaker 1>deep sense of gratitude to and to continue to have

1:02:44.288 --> 1:02:47.888
<v Speaker 1>such a deep love. To have lived a fairy tale

1:02:48.928 --> 1:02:54.247
<v Speaker 1>is truly magical, and so I always feel so much

1:02:54.608 --> 1:03:01.928
<v Speaker 1>love for that, and to take that into life now

1:03:02.008 --> 1:03:06.768
<v Speaker 1>and to be present and to despite the dark chapters,

1:03:06.848 --> 1:03:10.768
<v Speaker 1>not be completely jaded by that that, yes, life is

1:03:10.808 --> 1:03:13.128
<v Speaker 1>different now and I'm not the same and I look

1:03:13.208 --> 1:03:15.088
<v Speaker 1>different in the mirror and all of those things, but

1:03:17.088 --> 1:03:20.448
<v Speaker 1>to not let it ruin the rest of the book either,

1:03:20.728 --> 1:03:23.688
<v Speaker 1>and that I can still rewrite well, I can still

1:03:23.728 --> 1:03:25.768
<v Speaker 1>write those next chapters with a lot of love and

1:03:25.808 --> 1:03:28.608
<v Speaker 1>a lot of joy, and it's not the book that

1:03:28.648 --> 1:03:30.648
<v Speaker 1>I thought i'd be finishing, but there's still a lot

1:03:30.688 --> 1:03:36.808
<v Speaker 1>of blank pages, so to allow myself to still live

1:03:36.848 --> 1:03:39.448
<v Speaker 1>a fairy tale even though it's different. But the kids

1:03:39.448 --> 1:03:42.088
<v Speaker 1>and I have still got a beautiful life to live

1:03:42.488 --> 1:03:44.568
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of joy and happiness to come, So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to miss that.

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