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Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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Speaker 2: Brodney and I'm Cassane Legic and welcome to a very

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Speaker 2: special episode of The Spill.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time we've done this together, Fey,

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Speaker 2: because this is a brutally honest review and it's a

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Speaker 2: brutally honest review of a show that we know you've

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Speaker 2: all watched. It's been number one in Australia on Netflix

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Speaker 2: for weeks now. It's very buzzy. It's Sirens on Netflix now.

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Speaker 1: We did do a weekend watch on this and this

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Speaker 1: was one of the ones that I was talking about

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Speaker 1: and I loved it, finished it very very quickly, so

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about, ye, And it's

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Speaker 1: definitely one of those shows that is perfect for a

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Speaker 1: brutally honest review exactly.

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Speaker 2: And if you're new here or you've just I don't

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Speaker 2: know how to Anesia or something and you've forgotten amnesia

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Speaker 2: was all a big thing in soaproperas as a kid

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Speaker 2: about life's big problems. So really honest reviews is where

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Speaker 2: we go through a TV show or movie, whatever's really

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Speaker 2: buzzy that everyone's talking about, and we go through the characters,

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Speaker 2: the plot points, what we loved, what we hated, little

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Speaker 2: aware of. But we also go very deep into the ending.

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Speaker 2: So just to note, there will be quite a few spoilers.

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Speaker 1: This is this is a spoiler filled episode.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so Siren.

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Speaker 1: So okay, what we're gonna do is I'm gonna start

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Speaker 1: So first of all, we've got Meghan Faiye as Devonduwatt,

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Speaker 1: Simone and Devon's sisters. Simone is Mikayla's personal assistant, so

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Speaker 1: Mikayla is played by Julianne Moore who we loved, also

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Speaker 1: known as Kiki, So she's the billionaire. She's Simone's boss.

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Speaker 1: But the reason she's so wealthy is because she married

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon's character, Peter Kel, and he kind of comes

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Speaker 1: It's like Labor Day and Labor Day weekend, and Labor

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Speaker 2: But the more you watch Sirens, you're like, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: It's such a different way for Megan Fay he to stand.

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Speaker 1: which shifts so drastically as the show progresses chrisis.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you existed, trust me. Soon and I are

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Speaker 1: Where are your tattoos? I remove them? Are imagine sister tattoo?

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Kevin Bacon.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because you know, a good show always has Kevin Bacon.

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Speaker 1: I love Kevin Bacon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good. He guind of plays the same character

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Speaker 2: and everything, but but.

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Speaker 1: I think he's good in this so I mean initially again,

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Speaker 1: he's kind of it seems like he is just going

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Speaker 1: doesn't really like what Julianne Moore, what Kieky's doing. He's

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Speaker 1: not really into the whole vibe of it. He's like

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Speaker 1: smoking joints up in his.

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Speaker 2: Little house, even though it's his home and his friends,

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Speaker 2: his life, and his every staff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his key, very key, his staff. There is this

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Speaker 1: whole thing that like he's the chill one. And then

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Speaker 1: that sort of starts to like shift and change. And

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Speaker 1: for me, the moment that I realized that there was

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Speaker 1: going to be something different with Kevin Bacon was when

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Speaker 1: they went clamming and then you kind of sense his

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Speaker 1: sexual tension between him and Simon. That was the moment

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Speaker 1: for me where I was like, something's off with this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing is like it's always the

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Speaker 2: classic kind of oh, I'm a good guy. I'm like

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Speaker 2: the you know, I'm one with my staff and the

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Speaker 2: people and stuff, and they do kind of set him

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Speaker 2: up from the beginning, like he's cheating on her, and

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Speaker 2: you do think that that's a pretty expected thing from

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Speaker 2: a storyline like that, especially knowing how these two characters

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Speaker 2: got together that started cheating. And then obviously the reveal

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Speaker 2: goes on that he's visiting his family, so they sort

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Speaker 2: of try and circumvent that whole thing of like him

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Speaker 2: being the good guy. And then you know, when we

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Speaker 2: talk about the ending, we'll get into that because at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, he does come across as

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Speaker 2: the villain to an extent.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, but the way it's been set up

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Speaker 1: is that he's just like this easy going dude. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is something really interesting about it when you know

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Speaker 1: they're talking about the brain up, and you know, the

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Speaker 1: only way that Julianne Moore can get out with any money,

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Speaker 1: Kiki can get out with any money is if there

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Speaker 1: is cheating involved. So there's almost this point where it's

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Speaker 1: like she's like, I kind of want him to be

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Speaker 1: And then there's the clamming thing when he kisses her,

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Speaker 1: and that's for me when it all shifted. Oh really,

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Speaker 1: that's when I was like, Kiki's protecting herself, She's trying

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. I got in a different way where she

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Speaker 2: was so kind of like wanting to stay in this marriage,

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Speaker 2: but she was so aware that she had got him

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Speaker 2: in this way of like him cheating with her first,

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Speaker 2: so she's so aware of him cheating and kind of

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Speaker 2: ruining this perfect life on the outside they've created. And

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Speaker 2: then I thought it was in the prenup it was

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Speaker 2: net without him. But it's so funny because that obviously

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Speaker 2: comes later in the show. In the first part of

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Speaker 2: this cult leader, and actually, this is what kind of

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Speaker 2: into this idea of like did she murder his ex wife?

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Speaker 2: Is she a cult leader? Does she have like magical

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Speaker 2: mind control powers? Is she drugging people? Is this like

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Speaker 2: an offshoot of Nine Perfect Strangers? Because there are some

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Speaker 2: things that are like a little bit unexplained in terms of.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I think that the one Meghan Vehi wakes

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Speaker 1: of hypnotized, because if you don't know what the mythology

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Speaker 1: it's they are like mermaid like creatures that sing to

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Speaker 1: that is that the mythology of a siren. So even

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Speaker 1: the title of the show is implicating the insinuating that

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Speaker 1: these women have this kind of power over men. And

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Speaker 1: there is that scene when they're all getting dressed up

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Speaker 1: i used to be a nail tech, but now I've

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Speaker 1: of finding a rich husband.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And it's that a whole thing of like

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Speaker 2: that play on Sirens is like almost quite literal in

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Speaker 2: got this control over her husband to lure him away

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Speaker 2: mostly you're meant to think that she has it over Simon.

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Speaker 2: And I think the way that they said their relationship

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Speaker 2: like this kind of like she had a power over her,

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Speaker 2: that she had like forsaken her family and likes taken

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it was that you know that.

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Speaker 1: I think it was one of the first episodes when

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Speaker 1: they like sleeping in the bed together.

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Speaker 2: That was that was a weird moment.

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Speaker 1: No, But I mean, on reflection, I think I understand

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Speaker 1: where that all came from. But basically we're kind of

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Speaker 1: talking about like a very close relationship between a boss

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Speaker 2: Yeah, knew. What was weirder than the bed scene was

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Speaker 2: the first moment I was like, what is this show

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Speaker 2: is when they were going into the party and Kiki goes,

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Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, not great, take my gum and

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Speaker 2: she pulled the gum. Kiki pulls the gum out of

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, why is that the dirtiest thing I've

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Speaker 1: I know, you're a bit of a gym.

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Speaker 2: I would have died.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely wouldn't do something like that.

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Speaker 2: But that's a very intimate theory that usually only like

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Speaker 2: that with my husband. Yeah, guy, don't share gum.

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Speaker 1: I don't share gum with hair.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what married people do, but I just

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Speaker 2: know your gum back. But it's a very intimate thing,

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Speaker 1: I have it in my kids half masticated food.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's just survival, right, Yeah, that's different. So

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Speaker 2: And also the fact that she did that, Simone doesn't

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Speaker 2: bird feeding and Simone be looking at her with like love,

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Speaker 2: was the first moment in the pilot where I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Okay, but what about So I kind of picked up

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Speaker 1: on Kevin Bacon being like kind of shady, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I started to feel but I didn't start to feel

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Speaker 1: any empathy for Kiki until like almost like the last episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different because for so long there she does

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Speaker 2: it's like a change is during the show, Like the

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Speaker 2: Devin because she's obviously in a terrible place where she's

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Speaker 2: battling alcoholism. She's looking after her father who has dementia

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Speaker 2: this kind of interesting situation where she's replaced alcohol because

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Speaker 2: these different ways. Where in the first half it's almost

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Speaker 2: like she's the siren in a way too, because she's

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Speaker 2: luring like her ex boyfriend who she's hooking up with

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Speaker 2: and she lures like the guy who is the captain

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Speaker 1: Not so subtle, like linked to a siren because captains

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Speaker 2: Would all exactly. So it's that idea. It's very literal

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Speaker 2: expected that she would be like, Oh, I'm so cute

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Speaker 1: There's definitely a couple of threads that I think could

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Speaker 1: things start to kind of really go awry. Yes, Kiki

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Speaker 1: There's a photo of him, and she puts it, you know,

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Speaker 2: All yeah, comes and it's kind of the bad.

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Speaker 2: The Simone character is really interesting because I guess she

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Speaker 2: she's the one really who's holding in maybe more secrets

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Speaker 2: She said everything like she says, everything comes into her head,

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Speaker 2: So she's never hiding anything really except from herself in

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Speaker 2: again almost the siren of like she calls everyone in

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Speaker 2: find out this horrific thing of her mother tried to

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00:20:05,904 --> 00:20:08,304
Speaker 2: kill herself, well did kill herself, but had her in

428
00:20:08,304 --> 00:20:10,624
Speaker 2: the car and all the stuff that happens. And I

429
00:20:10,664 --> 00:20:13,424
Speaker 2: think it's such an interesting performance from Millie o'clock, who

430
00:20:13,464 --> 00:20:16,544
Speaker 2: is an Australian actress who first rose to prominence in

431
00:20:16,544 --> 00:20:19,544
Speaker 2: that show with Tim Minton. Upright, she's so good in that,

432
00:20:20,304 --> 00:20:22,224
Speaker 2: and then went to be on House of the Dragon,

433
00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:24,704
Speaker 2: and she's also starring a Supergirl soon, and I think

434
00:20:24,744 --> 00:20:26,744
Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting. I was watching a whole bunch

435
00:20:26,744 --> 00:20:29,664
Speaker 2: of interviews with Millie and I thought it so interesting

436
00:20:29,664 --> 00:20:31,504
Speaker 2: that she said this is the first time she's ever

437
00:20:31,544 --> 00:20:34,384
Speaker 2: really lost herself in a character, and that it kind

438
00:20:34,424 --> 00:20:37,624
Speaker 2: of rebuilt her confidence as an actress, because when she

439
00:20:37,824 --> 00:20:40,624
Speaker 2: was on House of the Dragon on her first few

440
00:20:40,664 --> 00:20:43,704
Speaker 2: days of filming that show, she's this young Australian actress

441
00:20:43,864 --> 00:20:46,064
Speaker 2: who's all of a sudden on like the biggest TV

442
00:20:46,144 --> 00:20:47,824
Speaker 2: show in the world, and she thought she was doing

443
00:20:47,864 --> 00:20:49,264
Speaker 2: a good job. And then she said one of the

444
00:20:49,304 --> 00:20:51,744
Speaker 2: higher ups came over to her and pulled her aside

445
00:20:52,144 --> 00:20:54,744
Speaker 2: during filming and zaid, don't worry, We're going to get

446
00:20:54,744 --> 00:20:55,904
Speaker 2: you an acting coach.

447
00:20:56,144 --> 00:20:57,904
Speaker 1: And just kind of well, God, that makes you feel

448
00:20:58,024 --> 00:20:59,744
Speaker 1: so sick, right, and just.

449
00:20:59,624 --> 00:21:02,104
Speaker 2: Like imagine also like you're already filming, like how would

450
00:21:02,144 --> 00:21:04,104
Speaker 2: you then go on? And like, do you know what?

451
00:21:04,144 --> 00:21:06,304
Speaker 1: I wish she did go on. I think that all

452
00:21:06,344 --> 00:21:09,144
Speaker 1: of the performances are really nuanced, which is really nice,

453
00:21:09,224 --> 00:21:13,784
Speaker 1: and as it gresses, it's not like big twist, but

454
00:21:13,824 --> 00:21:17,944
Speaker 1: there is you start to see these flickers, these little

455
00:21:18,024 --> 00:21:22,664
Speaker 1: injections of a change is in character exactly. And again

456
00:21:22,704 --> 00:21:26,144
Speaker 1: for me with Kiki, it kind of started around. It

457
00:21:26,144 --> 00:21:28,824
Speaker 1: didn't really show itself right until the end, but there

458
00:21:28,944 --> 00:21:33,744
Speaker 1: was this moment when Simona and Devon's dad comes and

459
00:21:33,784 --> 00:21:37,024
Speaker 1: he's got dementia and he kind of thinks that Kiki

460
00:21:37,224 --> 00:21:41,464
Speaker 1: is his ex wife who kills himself, and they're dancing together,

461
00:21:42,864 --> 00:21:46,624
Speaker 1: and it's this kind of you don't know whether, like

462
00:21:47,664 --> 00:21:49,344
Speaker 1: I actually had this weird thought where I was like, oh,

463
00:21:49,464 --> 00:21:51,544
Speaker 1: is she actually the mother? Oh my gud I thought

464
00:21:51,544 --> 00:21:55,064
Speaker 1: that too. Was she actually the mom? Or is she

465
00:21:55,144 --> 00:21:57,504
Speaker 1: remembering that he was the mom? And the whole secret

466
00:21:57,544 --> 00:21:59,264
Speaker 1: is that she never died and she had like this

467
00:21:59,344 --> 00:22:01,624
Speaker 1: health face. Anyway, I don't know where my head.

468
00:22:02,624 --> 00:22:04,984
Speaker 2: You know why this is because why we went that

469
00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:07,344
Speaker 2: way is because we can't just watch a TV show anymore.

470
00:22:07,344 --> 00:22:10,024
Speaker 2: We're so looking for plot twists and mystery, that whole

471
00:22:10,024 --> 00:22:12,824
Speaker 2: mystery box TV element and you're like, wait a second,

472
00:22:12,864 --> 00:22:15,304
Speaker 2: So she's just a confused, rich woman that can't be

473
00:22:15,384 --> 00:22:15,824
Speaker 2: the twist.

474
00:22:15,904 --> 00:22:18,584
Speaker 1: No, I was like, she just had like some like

475
00:22:18,584 --> 00:22:21,424
Speaker 1: like has run away and the girls are actually her daughters.

476
00:22:21,504 --> 00:22:23,824
Speaker 1: And this is like, yeah, I had this weird me.

477
00:22:23,824 --> 00:22:26,584
Speaker 2: Too, because when I wrote some great fan fiction.

478
00:22:26,504 --> 00:22:28,904
Speaker 1: It was very like a very split sack. I kind

479
00:22:28,944 --> 00:22:31,384
Speaker 1: of started to realize it was because he obviously had dementia.

480
00:22:31,504 --> 00:22:35,504
Speaker 1: But I saw this again that it's in the nuance

481
00:22:35,544 --> 00:22:40,224
Speaker 1: of Julian Animore's performance of vulnerability because she couldn't have

482
00:22:40,264 --> 00:22:43,344
Speaker 1: her own children. She was saying, I tribe many times,

483
00:22:43,344 --> 00:22:47,304
Speaker 1: and we kept losing them, and I was like, huh,

484
00:22:47,424 --> 00:22:51,624
Speaker 1: there's something here, like you aren't you aren't evil.

485
00:22:51,784 --> 00:22:54,544
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just Yeah, we're looking for a villain. It's weird.

486
00:22:54,584 --> 00:22:56,824
Speaker 2: There's not really even Kevin Bacon, I think.

487
00:22:58,304 --> 00:22:58,704
Speaker 1: The villain.

488
00:22:58,864 --> 00:23:01,264
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's just an entitled white man who

489
00:23:01,304 --> 00:23:03,584
Speaker 2: needs always needs a younger woman to look after him

490
00:23:03,624 --> 00:23:06,064
Speaker 2: as the vibe. And then I thought also interesting, as

491
00:23:06,064 --> 00:23:08,184
Speaker 2: we go through the show, like everyone like obviously, Devon

492
00:23:08,264 --> 00:23:10,304
Speaker 2: has a bit of a physical transformation where she starts

493
00:23:10,504 --> 00:23:12,984
Speaker 2: coming a bit more of that. Well, initially she does

494
00:23:13,024 --> 00:23:14,824
Speaker 2: it to go under cover like that kind of becomes

495
00:23:14,824 --> 00:23:16,744
Speaker 2: like a Stepford wife, but then at the end of

496
00:23:16,784 --> 00:23:20,384
Speaker 2: the show, she's almost settled into that world where she's

497
00:23:20,584 --> 00:23:23,264
Speaker 2: trying to get back to the person she was, and

498
00:23:23,304 --> 00:23:25,704
Speaker 2: then you see sort of Julianne Moore's character also go

499
00:23:25,784 --> 00:23:28,464
Speaker 2: through like a bit of a physical transformation when she

500
00:23:28,504 --> 00:23:30,744
Speaker 2: has her wealth taken away from her. But I thought

501
00:23:30,744 --> 00:23:33,624
Speaker 2: Millie Alcock's character, like Simon, also goes through one because

502
00:23:33,704 --> 00:23:37,864
Speaker 2: her physicality is so interesting. It's so rigid throughout the show,

503
00:23:37,904 --> 00:23:40,184
Speaker 2: and then as her trauma keeps coming out, you can

504
00:23:40,184 --> 00:23:43,024
Speaker 2: see she gets loose with how she moves. And then

505
00:23:43,424 --> 00:23:45,624
Speaker 2: every time they do those big scenes of her running

506
00:23:45,664 --> 00:23:47,784
Speaker 2: down the beach. There's so many scenes where she's running

507
00:23:47,784 --> 00:23:50,824
Speaker 2: and crying, and that's meant to kind of almost jolt

508
00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:53,224
Speaker 2: you out of the story from the filmmakers. Yeah, apparently

509
00:23:53,264 --> 00:23:55,824
Speaker 2: they film that so many times that she ripped her

510
00:23:55,824 --> 00:23:58,544
Speaker 2: toenails off, so now she has no toails, so just

511
00:23:58,544 --> 00:24:03,264
Speaker 2: think of that. I rewatched that same Laura. I was like, No,

512
00:24:03,304 --> 00:24:04,784
Speaker 2: I just wanted to people to know what the woman

513
00:24:04,864 --> 00:24:08,584
Speaker 2: went through. Trainails. Oh my god, and she's got to

514
00:24:08,584 --> 00:24:10,424
Speaker 2: be a supergirl. That's too much for one human.

515
00:24:11,824 --> 00:24:14,624
Speaker 1: But I thought it was really interesting, again, so so

516
00:24:14,904 --> 00:24:18,984
Speaker 1: nuanced and really lovely, lovely acting where she kind of

517
00:24:19,464 --> 00:24:21,424
Speaker 1: her sisters like going, I need to get you out

518
00:24:21,464 --> 00:24:22,864
Speaker 1: of here. I need to get you out of here,

519
00:24:22,904 --> 00:24:26,824
Speaker 1: and she's going, I've spotted my chance. Yeah, exactly, I've

520
00:24:26,824 --> 00:24:31,304
Speaker 1: found my inn. And the shoulders go up, the net

521
00:24:31,384 --> 00:24:34,704
Speaker 1: goes on, and she kind of morphs.

522
00:24:35,024 --> 00:24:37,904
Speaker 2: Yeah, she morphs.

523
00:24:37,144 --> 00:24:41,344
Speaker 1: Into the Siren, and we don't have to finish here,

524
00:24:41,384 --> 00:24:42,744
Speaker 1: but I think this is a really nice place to

525
00:24:42,784 --> 00:24:45,784
Speaker 1: finish when we do eventually do the ending. For me,

526
00:24:46,424 --> 00:24:49,624
Speaker 1: the best part of it, my favorite favorite bit is

527
00:24:49,664 --> 00:24:52,904
Speaker 1: like one of the final scenes where it's Julianne Moore

528
00:24:53,504 --> 00:24:56,264
Speaker 1: and Meghan Faiye on the boat. They're sitting next to

529
00:24:56,264 --> 00:24:59,784
Speaker 1: each other. It's Devin and Kiki and they're talking. Everything

530
00:24:59,864 --> 00:25:03,544
Speaker 1: stripped back and it's like, you know, I survived many

531
00:25:03,624 --> 00:25:08,384
Speaker 1: years until I became the monster. Devin goes, You're not

532
00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:12,624
Speaker 1: a monster here, he goes, and neither is she, And

533
00:25:12,664 --> 00:25:16,224
Speaker 1: I thought that was like they were molded. It's like

534
00:25:16,424 --> 00:25:21,064
Speaker 1: you live long enough to go from being the hero

535
00:25:21,184 --> 00:25:23,824
Speaker 1: to the villainy. And that is kind of where I

536
00:25:23,904 --> 00:25:28,184
Speaker 1: see maybe this potential for a season two. I don't

537
00:25:28,184 --> 00:25:30,744
Speaker 1: know if I've gone off on a complete thing, but no, no, no.

538
00:25:30,824 --> 00:25:33,544
Speaker 1: For me, that was like a really key scene, Like

539
00:25:33,784 --> 00:25:36,224
Speaker 1: I really took a lot from that particular scene.

540
00:25:36,224 --> 00:25:38,104
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean. And the ending is by like

541
00:25:38,264 --> 00:25:41,184
Speaker 2: today's normal TV standards of people wanting like a big

542
00:25:41,224 --> 00:25:43,064
Speaker 2: shoot out at the end or a huge twist or

543
00:25:43,064 --> 00:25:45,464
Speaker 2: a dead body, like when the rich neighbor who wants

544
00:25:45,504 --> 00:25:47,664
Speaker 2: to marry Snow and the creepy old guy falls off

545
00:25:47,704 --> 00:25:49,504
Speaker 2: the cliff. You're like, Okay, here's our murder. This is

546
00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:51,744
Speaker 2: what like Meghan Faky even says now that she only

547
00:25:51,744 --> 00:25:53,544
Speaker 2: stars and shows and movies that have a beach and

548
00:25:53,584 --> 00:25:55,584
Speaker 2: a body, And yeah, that's a good niche to be

549
00:25:55,624 --> 00:25:57,784
Speaker 2: in right now, because that's what we want. And then

550
00:25:58,024 --> 00:26:00,384
Speaker 2: you keep waiting for this murder mystery or this could

551
00:26:00,464 --> 00:26:02,704
Speaker 2: it never eventuates, and what eventuates is more of this

552
00:26:02,824 --> 00:26:05,944
Speaker 2: character study, which shouldn't be shocking, but it feels shocking

553
00:26:05,944 --> 00:26:06,664
Speaker 2: in today's kind.

554
00:26:07,944 --> 00:26:10,344
Speaker 1: I think it actually surprised me in a really nice

555
00:26:10,664 --> 00:26:14,864
Speaker 1: I think I actually preferred the show because it doesn't

556
00:26:14,904 --> 00:26:17,744
Speaker 1: become this classic cult story, which I love, like a

557
00:26:17,784 --> 00:26:19,784
Speaker 1: mother cult story. I didn't want to hold a little

558
00:26:19,784 --> 00:26:22,144
Speaker 1: cold sockos like yeah, my old time favor. It's like

559
00:26:22,184 --> 00:26:25,384
Speaker 1: a lover cults, love like hearing about it all. But

560
00:26:26,024 --> 00:26:32,104
Speaker 1: what the show does do is create nuance and when

561
00:26:32,184 --> 00:26:34,744
Speaker 1: to walk away from someone. Because Devon eventually does have

562
00:26:34,784 --> 00:26:36,824
Speaker 1: to walk away from her sister. She's like, I've tried

563
00:26:36,864 --> 00:26:40,824
Speaker 1: as hard as I can. You've chosen your path. And

564
00:26:41,184 --> 00:26:45,464
Speaker 1: Simone isn't this little wounded bird. She is capable of

565
00:26:45,504 --> 00:26:48,704
Speaker 1: making her decisions. And the decision she makes is to

566
00:26:49,784 --> 00:26:54,504
Speaker 1: take on this rich man and become the mother of

567
00:26:54,504 --> 00:26:57,384
Speaker 1: the household, like the leader of the household matriarchy.

568
00:26:57,624 --> 00:26:59,864
Speaker 2: Yes for me, tram of the household. Yeah, and yeah.

569
00:26:59,904 --> 00:27:02,064
Speaker 2: That that's an interesting ending because you have all these

570
00:27:02,064 --> 00:27:04,344
Speaker 2: little bombs going off quickly, and up until that moment,

571
00:27:04,344 --> 00:27:05,904
Speaker 2: I will say I feel like the storyline was going

572
00:27:05,944 --> 00:27:07,424
Speaker 2: around a little bit in circles.

573
00:27:07,464 --> 00:27:10,144
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, it's like this conversation that we've had.

574
00:27:12,344 --> 00:27:14,464
Speaker 2: Were getting to the end now because we do, Because

575
00:27:14,984 --> 00:27:18,264
Speaker 2: that's not That's what it's the show itself.

576
00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:19,504
Speaker 1: It is not a linear thing.

577
00:27:20,024 --> 00:27:22,184
Speaker 2: So much going around and then all of a sudden

578
00:27:22,184 --> 00:27:23,824
Speaker 2: you're coming back. It's like in the last episode and

579
00:27:23,904 --> 00:27:26,224
Speaker 2: it's going back to season one one, like it's back

580
00:27:26,264 --> 00:27:28,344
Speaker 2: and forth. And so as much as I did love

581
00:27:28,464 --> 00:27:31,584
Speaker 2: all the little kind of out the side stories. Devin

582
00:27:31,664 --> 00:27:33,784
Speaker 2: being in the drunk tank was my favorite because the

583
00:27:33,784 --> 00:27:35,704
Speaker 2: girl who was in there with her calling her Kevin.

584
00:27:36,064 --> 00:27:37,704
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm sorry, why is this the funniest

585
00:27:37,704 --> 00:27:39,064
Speaker 2: scene in the whole show. So you have all these

586
00:27:39,064 --> 00:27:41,424
Speaker 2: little side venage. There's like a lot of sade questions.

587
00:27:41,544 --> 00:27:43,344
Speaker 2: It does really like throw you.

588
00:27:43,544 --> 00:27:46,384
Speaker 1: But the crux of it for me and I think

589
00:27:46,384 --> 00:27:49,104
Speaker 1: it makes it so much more. Again, I think this

590
00:27:49,184 --> 00:27:51,344
Speaker 1: comes from the fact that it was it came from

591
00:27:51,384 --> 00:27:53,984
Speaker 1: a play. Yes, play is a really well known for

592
00:27:54,144 --> 00:27:56,824
Speaker 1: being a little bit more. I'm going to use the

593
00:27:56,864 --> 00:27:59,864
Speaker 1: word nuanced again because I don't actually have thesaurus with

594
00:27:59,904 --> 00:28:01,344
Speaker 1: me and I can't find another word.

595
00:28:01,184 --> 00:28:02,624
Speaker 2: For it works.

596
00:28:02,824 --> 00:28:06,304
Speaker 1: It is really like these characters really are very complex

597
00:28:06,384 --> 00:28:08,704
Speaker 1: and maybe there is no Gordon evil, even though Kevin

598
00:28:08,704 --> 00:28:12,744
Speaker 1: Bacon turns out to be complete f wick. And but yeah,

599
00:28:12,784 --> 00:28:15,144
Speaker 1: I feel like that you know she's not You're not

600
00:28:15,184 --> 00:28:18,224
Speaker 1: a monster like that. I love that so much that

601
00:28:18,224 --> 00:28:24,104
Speaker 1: that Julianne Moore stripped back and it's like you're not

602
00:28:24,184 --> 00:28:27,824
Speaker 1: a monster. Yeah, Like I actually really loved that.

603
00:28:28,104 --> 00:28:29,864
Speaker 2: And I feel like that a lot of these little

604
00:28:29,864 --> 00:28:32,944
Speaker 2: bomb shells that come in here, and she is so good,

605
00:28:33,184 --> 00:28:35,024
Speaker 2: so powerful, and after going around in circles for a

606
00:28:35,064 --> 00:28:36,264
Speaker 2: little bit, then all of a sudden, we have all

607
00:28:36,264 --> 00:28:39,104
Speaker 2: these little bombs shells that come out in like a

608
00:28:39,224 --> 00:28:41,264
Speaker 2: very quick amount of time. So we have that scene

609
00:28:41,264 --> 00:28:43,064
Speaker 2: where Devon's and the gala and she's like, I know

610
00:28:43,224 --> 00:28:45,704
Speaker 2: you killed his ex wife, and you have that reveal

611
00:28:45,704 --> 00:28:48,704
Speaker 2: from Juliana more being like she's disfigured and she lives alone.

612
00:28:48,904 --> 00:28:51,384
Speaker 2: The interesting thing is if you watch that scene back,

613
00:28:51,624 --> 00:28:53,264
Speaker 2: I think the first time you're watching it and you're

614
00:28:53,304 --> 00:28:55,824
Speaker 2: really centered on Devin and Kekey, as you should because

615
00:28:55,824 --> 00:28:58,144
Speaker 2: they're having this big reveal, but as if you watch

616
00:28:58,144 --> 00:29:00,304
Speaker 2: it back a second time and you see everyone in

617
00:29:00,344 --> 00:29:02,464
Speaker 2: the background who's at the gala reacting. They look a

618
00:29:02,464 --> 00:29:05,664
Speaker 2: little shocked by the yelling, but when she talks to

619
00:29:05,704 --> 00:29:07,904
Speaker 2: the ex wife, they all kind of look down. And

620
00:29:07,944 --> 00:29:09,704
Speaker 2: it's what people have been doing all the way through

621
00:29:09,744 --> 00:29:12,664
Speaker 2: the show. But because our minds are so attuned to murder,

622
00:29:13,064 --> 00:29:15,824
Speaker 2: we keep thinking everyone's looking down because they know she's murdered,

623
00:29:15,824 --> 00:29:17,984
Speaker 2: but they're actually looking down because they know that not

624
00:29:18,024 --> 00:29:20,464
Speaker 2: only is she kind of living this isolated life, she's

625
00:29:20,504 --> 00:29:23,264
Speaker 2: been shunned by this fancy society and that to them

626
00:29:23,384 --> 00:29:25,464
Speaker 2: is worse than being murdered. They're like, oh god, she

627
00:29:25,464 --> 00:29:27,584
Speaker 2: should have been murdered. Now she's living alone, Like I know,

628
00:29:27,824 --> 00:29:29,824
Speaker 2: what could be worse. I know, that bombshell.

629
00:29:29,984 --> 00:29:32,824
Speaker 1: And then we have like the big reveal of Samoon

630
00:29:32,904 --> 00:29:36,784
Speaker 1: in that beautiful blue dress. Yeah. Sorry, she looks so

631
00:29:36,864 --> 00:29:39,744
Speaker 1: stunning in that. That was a like, I know it's

632
00:29:39,744 --> 00:29:42,264
Speaker 1: not really there is quite a lot of fashion in this, yeah,

633
00:29:42,264 --> 00:29:45,904
Speaker 1: but that fashion is good. That blue, this like gorgeous

634
00:29:45,944 --> 00:29:49,984
Speaker 1: silk gown again, like the Ocean I'm thinking.

635
00:29:50,744 --> 00:29:53,024
Speaker 2: And also the way it's cut in the Fall of

636
00:29:53,024 --> 00:29:55,384
Speaker 2: the Silk is like that very old school mythology, like

637
00:29:55,424 --> 00:29:57,304
Speaker 2: Greek mythology with gown with what.

638
00:29:57,304 --> 00:30:00,224
Speaker 1: A Grecian like, which is where so much of this.

639
00:30:00,264 --> 00:30:03,264
Speaker 2: Is coming from. And I think what's interesting too is

640
00:30:03,304 --> 00:30:06,224
Speaker 2: that Millie or'clock and Meghan Faikey said that they filmed

641
00:30:06,264 --> 00:30:08,504
Speaker 2: the first couple of episodes and they didn't actually know

642
00:30:08,544 --> 00:30:10,504
Speaker 2: what was going to happen until they had filmed most

643
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Speaker 2: the show. So Millie's saying all the way through she

644
00:30:12,944 --> 00:30:15,344
Speaker 2: doesn't know what's happening to Simone. Obviously she didn't see

645
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Speaker 2: Elemento pe either, so she doesn't know where Simone's going

646
00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:19,864
Speaker 2: to end up. So she said it was quite shocking

647
00:30:19,864 --> 00:30:23,104
Speaker 2: for her when she realized where the character was going

648
00:30:23,104 --> 00:30:24,344
Speaker 2: and the fact that she was going to have this

649
00:30:24,384 --> 00:30:27,104
Speaker 2: big plot twist. And but the thing is, I don't

650
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Speaker 2: be interested in your thoughts on this. I think you

651
00:30:29,184 --> 00:30:31,824
Speaker 2: can watch it and think that she planned and manipulated

652
00:30:31,824 --> 00:30:35,264
Speaker 2: that situation. Whereas where she's telling Devin about it, she

653
00:30:35,304 --> 00:30:36,944
Speaker 2: was like, and then he was on the beach. I

654
00:30:36,984 --> 00:30:38,784
Speaker 2: went to walk away and he stopped me. And it's

655
00:30:38,824 --> 00:30:43,224
Speaker 2: like her eyes glaze over and she's transferred the adoration

656
00:30:43,344 --> 00:30:46,544
Speaker 2: she had for Kiki over to Kevin Bacon. So she

657
00:30:46,584 --> 00:30:48,744
Speaker 2: didn't plan it. She just is so desperate for someone

658
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Speaker 2: to take care of her.

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Speaker 1: I think she didn't plan it, But then I think

660
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Speaker 1: she saw the opportunity and took her.

661
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, and then was like, let me help

662
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Speaker 2: you oust key.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So it's like when she like I think once

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Speaker 1: she sort of realizes, ah, this is my way back

665
00:31:04,144 --> 00:31:07,944
Speaker 1: again that that's another traumal response, and I agree with you. Yeah, Like, Okay,

666
00:31:08,024 --> 00:31:10,104
Speaker 1: Keikey's not gonna take care of me, but this guy might.

667
00:31:10,384 --> 00:31:12,424
Speaker 1: Even though in a dump, you when you start to

668
00:31:12,464 --> 00:31:13,184
Speaker 1: look old.

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Speaker 2: Exactly well, I meanly she's in an early twenties there,

670
00:31:15,184 --> 00:31:16,824
Speaker 2: so she's got a way to go. But yeah, it's

671
00:31:16,864 --> 00:31:20,104
Speaker 2: the transference of adoration. And I think also that's why

672
00:31:20,144 --> 00:31:23,184
Speaker 2: when when you see Devon hearing what Simone's saying and

673
00:31:23,584 --> 00:31:25,464
Speaker 2: now we're together and all this stuff, you see Devon's

674
00:31:25,464 --> 00:31:27,904
Speaker 2: face just for and you see them to this realization.

675
00:31:28,664 --> 00:31:31,544
Speaker 2: Man can say, her face acting out of this world.

676
00:31:31,344 --> 00:31:34,144
Speaker 1: Nuance want so much Dians.

677
00:31:34,744 --> 00:31:36,864
Speaker 2: It's like that scene from the finale of White Lotus

678
00:31:36,864 --> 00:31:39,784
Speaker 2: where she plays Daphne, where you see this moment where

679
00:31:39,824 --> 00:31:42,064
Speaker 2: she realizes that her husband and her new friend cheated

680
00:31:42,064 --> 00:31:44,344
Speaker 2: on her and she calculates in this one second of

681
00:31:44,344 --> 00:31:46,304
Speaker 2: what she's going to do, and it's a slight turn

682
00:31:46,304 --> 00:31:49,264
Speaker 2: of her face. She does it again here where she's like, oh,

683
00:31:49,384 --> 00:31:52,224
Speaker 2: I came to save you from a cult, but now

684
00:31:52,224 --> 00:31:53,984
Speaker 2: that I know that you're just so lost that you've

685
00:31:54,024 --> 00:31:55,984
Speaker 2: throw on yourself with this man, I just have to

686
00:31:56,064 --> 00:31:58,584
Speaker 2: let you go because I can't save you from I'll

687
00:31:58,584 --> 00:32:00,544
Speaker 2: save you from danger, but I can't save you from

688
00:32:00,584 --> 00:32:03,344
Speaker 2: this hopelessness you're stuck in. Yeah, and I think otherwise

689
00:32:03,344 --> 00:32:05,464
Speaker 2: she would never have left her there. That's why she leaves.

690
00:32:05,504 --> 00:32:07,824
Speaker 1: So then we've got the final scene, Simone's on the

691
00:32:07,864 --> 00:32:11,344
Speaker 1: cleaf in that beautiful blue gown, and you know, I

692
00:32:11,384 --> 00:32:13,784
Speaker 1: know that we talked a lot about like this just

693
00:32:13,824 --> 00:32:16,464
Speaker 1: being a limited series, and again, based off lay, it

694
00:32:16,544 --> 00:32:19,824
Speaker 1: should just be one series. I do, however, think there

695
00:32:19,904 --> 00:32:22,624
Speaker 1: is room for a season two, depending on how well

696
00:32:22,664 --> 00:32:23,224
Speaker 1: this does.

697
00:32:23,464 --> 00:32:25,584
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, it's done very well. And I

698
00:32:25,624 --> 00:32:27,584
Speaker 2: also think like at first it was kind of marketing

699
00:32:27,864 --> 00:32:30,464
Speaker 2: almost just like kind of like shlocky Netflix drama, and

700
00:32:30,504 --> 00:32:33,264
Speaker 2: like there's definitely moments of that. But I think especially

701
00:32:33,344 --> 00:32:35,624
Speaker 2: the end scene we see, like especially got going back

702
00:32:35,624 --> 00:32:38,024
Speaker 2: to your favorite moment of them on the boat and

703
00:32:38,104 --> 00:32:41,264
Speaker 2: that moment from Julianne Moore's character Kiki, and also that

704
00:32:41,424 --> 00:32:43,704
Speaker 2: she's stripped away. She doesn't have the beautiful hair and makeup.

705
00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:46,464
Speaker 2: She's like jewels, she's not wearing the jewel tones or

706
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,824
Speaker 2: the neutrals. She just looks like someone who had to

707
00:32:48,824 --> 00:32:51,144
Speaker 2: like jump on a barge and make her way in

708
00:32:51,184 --> 00:32:54,504
Speaker 2: the world. And she's so kind of dressed down, but

709
00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:57,984
Speaker 2: she gives this beautiful performance. I feel like that's I

710
00:32:58,024 --> 00:33:00,304
Speaker 2: can just imagine Julian more reading the script and that

711
00:33:00,344 --> 00:33:02,784
Speaker 2: being the scene that said I'm gonna take this. It's

712
00:33:02,824 --> 00:33:04,944
Speaker 2: like how Meryl Streep only said yes to doing The

713
00:33:04,984 --> 00:33:07,584
Speaker 2: Devil Wears Prada when she read the scene of her

714
00:33:07,624 --> 00:33:09,784
Speaker 2: in the hotel room with no makeup. She's like, She's like,

715
00:33:09,824 --> 00:33:12,424
Speaker 2: unless you have that scene, all of the big, beautiful,

716
00:33:12,424 --> 00:33:15,024
Speaker 2: glamorous Etherol scenes don't make sense. And I feel like

717
00:33:15,024 --> 00:33:17,544
Speaker 2: that's why Julian would have taken this. And I love

718
00:33:17,624 --> 00:33:20,864
Speaker 2: resonated so well with people. I feel like, I know,

719
00:33:20,904 --> 00:33:22,664
Speaker 2: when I first watched it, I was like, no, no, that's good.

720
00:33:22,664 --> 00:33:24,584
Speaker 2: One and done. It's fine. But I also think that,

721
00:33:24,704 --> 00:33:26,304
Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to see if we can,

722
00:33:26,384 --> 00:33:28,304
Speaker 2: like have if we can continue our fan fiction that

723
00:33:28,344 --> 00:33:30,184
Speaker 2: we both had from the start of this, where we

724
00:33:30,184 --> 00:33:32,264
Speaker 2: were concocting all these side plots in our heads.

725
00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:35,504
Speaker 1: Okay, because you saw how other staff were when they

726
00:33:35,704 --> 00:33:36,744
Speaker 1: knew Simon was leaving.

727
00:33:36,864 --> 00:33:40,584
Speaker 2: Yeah, day group text about her is the funniest thing.

728
00:33:40,704 --> 00:33:43,504
Speaker 1: This is the thing. This is the thing. Like, I think, yes,

729
00:33:43,584 --> 00:33:45,424
Speaker 1: it would be fine if it was just one season.

730
00:33:45,664 --> 00:33:50,664
Speaker 1: The story could happily end there. However, honestly, honestly, I

731
00:33:50,744 --> 00:33:53,304
Speaker 1: really feel like there are so many places that this

732
00:33:53,464 --> 00:33:55,624
Speaker 1: could go. There could be a little bit more about

733
00:33:55,864 --> 00:33:58,904
Speaker 1: Devon finding herself, working through her trauma, a little bit

734
00:33:58,984 --> 00:34:01,944
Speaker 1: more the dementia, maybe finding a little bit more clarity,

735
00:34:02,384 --> 00:34:05,624
Speaker 1: looking maybe at ki Ki finding herself again as a

736
00:34:05,704 --> 00:34:09,864
Speaker 1: lawyer because she was a lawyer, perhaps maybe taking legal action,

737
00:34:10,024 --> 00:34:13,944
Speaker 1: trying to find some finding herself again rather than just

738
00:34:13,984 --> 00:34:17,104
Speaker 1: being the wife of a rich man. And then there's

739
00:34:17,184 --> 00:34:21,544
Speaker 1: also like the way that the new mistress of the house,

740
00:34:22,424 --> 00:34:26,704
Speaker 1: how does Simone take over this island? Is she going

741
00:34:26,744 --> 00:34:28,984
Speaker 1: to get pregnant, I'm gonna have baby?

742
00:34:29,064 --> 00:34:31,264
Speaker 2: Is there so much there? I think Kiki comes back

743
00:34:31,344 --> 00:34:33,904
Speaker 2: again without fan casting that she has gone off become

744
00:34:33,944 --> 00:34:36,544
Speaker 2: a very successful woman. She's made all this money. She

745
00:34:36,704 --> 00:34:39,264
Speaker 2: comes back and she buys half of the island, or

746
00:34:39,264 --> 00:34:41,784
Speaker 2: she buys the bird sanctuary. So then she and Kevin

747
00:34:41,784 --> 00:34:43,584
Speaker 2: Bacon of trying to figure out it's like a war

748
00:34:43,624 --> 00:34:46,224
Speaker 2: of power there. And then they're having a big event

749
00:34:46,264 --> 00:34:48,744
Speaker 2: because it's Labor Day weekend, but it's also the christening

750
00:34:48,784 --> 00:34:52,184
Speaker 2: of simoone and Kevin Bacon's baby also with the christening party,

751
00:34:52,224 --> 00:34:54,864
Speaker 2: and then Devon gets pulled back because Keiki blackmails her

752
00:34:54,904 --> 00:34:56,704
Speaker 2: and gets her to come back to try and pull

753
00:34:56,744 --> 00:34:59,584
Speaker 2: her sister out and hilarity and drummer in suit. Yes,

754
00:34:59,904 --> 00:35:02,344
Speaker 2: there's definitely room for it exactly, but we've done the.

755
00:35:02,264 --> 00:35:05,904
Speaker 1: Work in Spain. This is I really really loved this show.

756
00:35:06,544 --> 00:35:09,304
Speaker 1: Not what you expect, definitely not like a classic cult

757
00:35:09,344 --> 00:35:13,624
Speaker 1: thing you Definitely there's so many little like a couple

758
00:35:13,704 --> 00:35:15,304
Speaker 1: of times where I was like, I would like to

759
00:35:15,344 --> 00:35:18,904
Speaker 1: see that fleshed out a little bit more. But I've

760
00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:22,784
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that it was such a character based and

761
00:35:23,104 --> 00:35:27,904
Speaker 1: complex characters. They weren't one dimensional. All of these characters

762
00:35:27,984 --> 00:35:32,024
Speaker 1: have so much depth, layering, nuance.

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00:35:32,264 --> 00:35:36,344
Speaker 2: Yes, we love that. Sarens on Netflix. What a fun time.

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