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Speaker 1: Makeup is my therapy. I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and

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Speaker 1: I don't even feel jailty about it. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to you Beauty, the daily podcast for your Face. I'm

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Speaker 1: Arion Dockerty and welcome to the formula. Every week I

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Speaker 1: sit down with celebs and some of the biggest names

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Speaker 1: in beauty and take a look into their skincare routines. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're joined by the incredible Isabella Lona Agan, a true

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Speaker 1: titan of the skincare industry with nearly two decades of

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Speaker 1: experience in dermatology, plastic surgery, and cosmaceutical formulations. Isabella is

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Speaker 1: an award winning product formulator and skin therapist, recognized worldwide

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Speaker 1: for her groundbreaking advancements in facial techniques and skincare solutions.

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Speaker 1: Not only does she run her own skin clinic, but

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Speaker 1: she's also created her own skincare line, Reagan's Skin, that's

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Speaker 1: backed by cutting edge Signs. Today, Isabella reveals the trends

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Speaker 1: that will dominate the beauty and skincare industry in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five, the unusual treatment she offers that has her

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Speaker 1: booked out six months in advance, and we revisit the

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Speaker 1: controversial trend of clean beauty and the marketing fluff to avoid.

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Speaker 1: You are such beautiful skill, But how Isabella? Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us today on the show. We

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to get into all things skincare with you.

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Speaker 2: Yay.

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Speaker 1: We've had you on the show before. We're excited to

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Speaker 1: have you back again because we know you know bullshit.

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Speaker 1: We love we love having you on. Let me just

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Speaker 1: jump straight in. I want to ask you about the

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Speaker 1: kind of trends that you foresee dominating the beauty and

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Speaker 1: skin care industry for the next twelve to twenty four months.

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Speaker 1: What kind of things do you think will shape the industry?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I tend to split it down the

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Speaker 2: middle for doctor's side, which would be injectibles, and then

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Speaker 2: beauty or skin on the other side, because I have

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Speaker 2: dermatology and I used to be in plastic surgery. But

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Speaker 2: now I have two skin based clinics. I still follow

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Speaker 2: both sides and both trends and still get a demand

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Speaker 2: for both. So Rajuran is definitely something that's gaining in popularity,

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Speaker 2: which is the sperm, the salmon sperm, face.

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Speaker 1: Sperm heard so much. I've written about it before. It's exploding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's growing and people are confused as to what

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Speaker 2: it is. It's almost like a neuropeptidle polyneuropeptide type of thing,

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Speaker 2: like it's derived from salmon DNA and it's supposedly supposed

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Speaker 2: to rejuvenate. It's an injectable, it's not botox, and it's

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Speaker 2: So that's gaining. I'm noticing people, and on the flip side,

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Speaker 2: not a thing like it was five even ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: Ten years ago, it was massive when I was in dermatology,

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Speaker 2: Kardashians are even coming off it. So that's really something

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Speaker 2: that's coming down. And then on the skin treatment side,

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Speaker 2: like I heavily invest in research on this side, all

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Speaker 2: the time, because I'm often asked to speak at Beauty

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Speaker 2: always very up on what the consumer and what audiences

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Speaker 2: grown exponentially on unique and unusual facial treatments. So the

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Speaker 2: facial machines like your hydro facials and your morph and

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Speaker 2: things like that, they're still there, but because there's such

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Speaker 2: in the cost of living crisis, I'm seeing a definite

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Speaker 2: leaning into touch based therapies off the back of COVID,

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Speaker 2: connection and I've leant into that hugely in my career

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Speaker 2: you know, your practitioner has just grown hugely. So because

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Speaker 1: I think because there is so much out there as

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Speaker 1: affordable or accessible for everyone. And you're renowned in the

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Speaker 1: industry for your sculpting facial massage, would that make up

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Speaker 2: So that's all I do now because the demand is

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Speaker 2: then I went back to Sydney and opened again because

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Speaker 2: touch based therapies, touch based treatment, so I'm booked out

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Speaker 2: for like six months in advance because people are so

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Speaker 2: enamored by how touch based therapies make them feel. Now,

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Speaker 2: it's not to say that machines don't work. They do work.

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Speaker 2: They work. We've got proof that things like Morpheus eight

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Speaker 2: and your different types of tightening. There is obvious treatments

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Speaker 2: and a lot of my colleagues in the industry use them,

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Speaker 2: and I've seen amazing before and afters. The problem is

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Speaker 2: touch based therapy is provide an emotional gain, which is

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting, and I feel like people always kind

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Speaker 1: So it's just so interesting hearing that from you. And

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Speaker 1: I know you do lots of intra oral techniques, and

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Speaker 2: It's definitely something that consumers are realizing that they can

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Speaker 2: or we might see in osteo, which are all really

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Speaker 2: great modalities. The problem is they're not targeting where women

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Speaker 2: sticks in the tissues. So I always say to my students,

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Speaker 1: You're making me want to go and get this right now,

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Speaker 1: making already feel my jaw musts like pulsating thinking of this.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about clean beauty. Like, listen,

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Speaker 1: you're a stain expert, you've been on your beauty before,

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Speaker 1: and you've talked about clean beauty myths. Do you think

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Speaker 1: this is something that consumers have become more aware of

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Speaker 2: The concept is still very brought into by consumers, I'm noticing.

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Speaker 2: So when my customers come to me and I explain

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Speaker 2: to them the weaknesses in the philosophy of clean beauty,

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Speaker 2: they totally get it. The problem is the mass marketing

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Speaker 2: thing because there's no actual legal definition of what clean

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Speaker 2: beauty actually means. But it hasn't stopped manufacturers and kind

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Speaker 2: includes clean beauty. And like you know, chemical free, there

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily mean they fall into a clean

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Speaker 2: they've switched to clean beauty. But it's the same philosophy

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Speaker 1: It same thing reinvented. It's something that the beauty industry

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Speaker 2: Good at remarketing the same thing over and over again.

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Speaker 1: And there is no regulation on a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: So you can see a product that has got clean

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Speaker 2: You know, I see so many clients come to me

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Speaker 2: I use this from this person, and I use this,

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Speaker 2: and it's all like, Oh, I went into Mecca and

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Speaker 2: it on Instagram, so I bought it. We as women,

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Speaker 2: So if we're feeling flat on a Friday night and

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Speaker 2: we might buy something on in Insta And really, with skincare,

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Speaker 2: it's just the wrong way to buy because A it's

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Speaker 2: we don't know what's in it. So you may as

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Speaker 2: well find someone like a good skin therapist or a

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Speaker 2: into what they're saying, and you connect with them and

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Speaker 2: trust what they say. It's probably a better way than

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Speaker 2: to just haphazardly purchase things because it makes it feel good.

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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about your new SBF foundation

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Speaker 1: that you've launched. Your brand's called Reagan and the foundations

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Speaker 1: called Reagan Veil Foundation, and it's part of your skincare range.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that is still a misconception around SBF

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Speaker 1: in makeup and what do you want people to know

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Speaker 2: Don't put foundation on your face that has SBF and

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Speaker 2: feel that you are protected. I still get customers coming

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Speaker 2: to me and when I ask them if they wear SBF,

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Speaker 2: they say, yes, it's in my makeup. And I'm amazed

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Speaker 2: because they've been saying that to me for twenty years. Now.

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Speaker 2: Think about how much makeup you pump into your fingers

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Speaker 1: We're all lazy gals here, so you're in really good

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Speaker 2: Hit.

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Speaker 1: You've made one of the greatest discoveries of all time.

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Speaker 2: Oh miss never again never.

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Speaker 1: I want to know a skincare technique or ingredient that

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Speaker 2: So let's start with the hate, because this is always controversial,

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Speaker 2: and I get in trouble. I've noticed in my industry.

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Speaker 2: I want to know derma planing is when you take

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Speaker 2: and you shave it. I guess like you would shave

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Speaker 1: Well, Isabella, that's why we're so lucky to have someone

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Speaker 1: been fantastic and it was so great to have you.

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Speaker 1: Should we see you this time next year?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. I'll get my people to speak

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Speaker 2: to your people in the long list yearly thing. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for.

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Speaker 2: That, no problem.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Isabella for today's show. And if

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Speaker 1: you've got a topic that you want us to talk about,

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Speaker 1: anything skincare, send us a DM on Instagram at you

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Speaker 1: Beauty podcast. The producer of You Beauty is Cassie Merret,

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Speaker 1: with audio production by Lou Hill. And we'll see you

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Speaker 1: next week. Bye,