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Speaker 1: I'm m Burnham And on the show.
Speaker 3: Today Taylor Swift, a problematic man and a secret note
Speaker 3: what you're talking about. I practiced that in the mirror beforehand. No,
Speaker 3: I definitely did it, but it sounds like an old
Speaker 3: school Nancy Drew novel.
Speaker 1: But like I hope any kids you're setting this up.
Speaker 3: And a little viral clip from Saturday and out Live
Speaker 3: that has I guess's got a few influencers riled up,
Speaker 3: all their fans riled up.
Speaker 2: We're going to get into that, but first.
Speaker 1: But first, I am officially calling it myself. Okay, Martin
Speaker 1: Short and Meryl Street are dating. They were spotted having
Speaker 1: dinner in Santa Monica, looking very cutey, very cozy, and
Speaker 1: after dinner they drove home together. I mind of drove
Speaker 1: home together, but they got in the same car. They
Speaker 1: drove away in the same Meryl was driving like enjoying
Speaker 1: himself in that passenger's seat. So this rumor has been
Speaker 1: around for a while. We have briefly mentioned it on
Speaker 1: the podcast before. If you didn't know, Martin Shoan and
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep do play lovers on screen right now in
Speaker 1: the show Only Murders in the Building on Disney plaz
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows right now. They start alongside
Speaker 1: Selena Gomez and Steve Martin. They were also seen being
Speaker 1: very close to each other at this year's Golden Globes Awards.
Speaker 3: You remember that they were like, yes, and that's what
Speaker 3: everyone thought Selena Gomez and Taylor Swift were gossiping about
Speaker 3: in those viral pictures that it wasn't Actually now we
Speaker 3: think it wasn't Timothy Shallamy and Kylie Jenner.
Speaker 2: It was the fact that those two were walking.
Speaker 1: Up And then Martin Short's publassist denied those rumors. But
Speaker 1: then at the season four premiere for Only Murders, they
Speaker 1: were holding hands on the red carpet, and then so
Speaker 1: after the dinner, cameras on their places so they had
Speaker 1: their big dinner that everyone to photos. Steve Martin posted
Speaker 1: a Glamour article to his Instagram feed that had like
Speaker 1: a feature image of him. Martin children. Meryl Streep and
Speaker 1: he like put a big like X emoji on his
Speaker 1: face and everyone's like, did Steve Man just hard launch
Speaker 1: their relationship.
Speaker 2: I think he did look part of me.
Speaker 1: I mean, you were a denier from the beginning.
Speaker 2: Well, I might still be a denier.
Speaker 3: So obviously, Martin Shawt's wife passed away many years ago,
Speaker 3: and then Meryl Streep kept her divorce for yeah, kept
Speaker 3: her divorce under wraps for such a long time, so
Speaker 3: it's only come out recently that she's a single lady.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: They might be hooking out, but I think as they.
Speaker 2: Are, it's not cute just because they're older.
Speaker 1: Jesus, I think it's cute. Well, you're finding love in
Speaker 1: their seventies. That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: That is beautiful.
Speaker 3: I feel like Meryl Streep could find love at any
Speaker 3: age though that bit. But I actually think they're having
Speaker 3: quite a bit of fun with the publicity.
Speaker 1: And a few kids around it all the fun. We're
Speaker 1: having fun too.
Speaker 3: I mean, they've both been in the industry such a
Speaker 3: long time, like they know how to got it, and
Speaker 3: they both not usually people that are in like the
Speaker 3: paparazzi New cycle or like the tabloidy news cycle, like
Speaker 3: Meryl Streep has avoided at her whole career, and so
Speaker 3: has Martin Short. They just like they only pop up
Speaker 3: to promote their movies. Everyone loves them, and they go
Speaker 3: back to their private lives. I do think they're kind
Speaker 3: of like working the crowd a little bit because they
Speaker 3: know what they're doing. When they were like whispring together
Speaker 3: in the Golden Globes like audience, when the cameras are
Speaker 3: on them, because you can see that massive camera, it
Speaker 3: has to be set up to be on you.
Speaker 2: It doesn't just appear in the order.
Speaker 1: They're very smart. I think they're teaching Amelia Demaldeberg and
Speaker 1: Ander Garfita what to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they were holding hands on the red
Speaker 3: carpet at the Premier Yere like yes, they're friends, but
Speaker 3: they knew.
Speaker 2: What they were doing.
Speaker 3: And these photos were taken at one of the biggest
Speaker 3: celebrity like paparazzi hot spots in LA. It's like they
Speaker 3: went to a secret little spot.
Speaker 1: And they maybe they have been going to secret little spots.
Speaker 3: No, I'm sure they have, but I'm just saying this
Speaker 3: particular night, like you don't go to that restaurant and
Speaker 3: that strip of restaurants where paparazzi camp out because they
Speaker 3: know that celebs go there. You don't go there unless
Speaker 3: you want your photo taken. And the fact that they
Speaker 3: drove themselves away so they had to get into the
Speaker 3: car the valet came over. Those photos I've looked at
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 1: We don't endorse paparazzi photos here, but they are smiling
Speaker 1: like they're gleaming in the camera exactly.
Speaker 3: And also, again, you go to that spot because you
Speaker 3: know you're going to get photographed. They both have the
Speaker 3: money and the means. It's just like a little hobby
Speaker 3: for them, exactly in March shorts face. Actually, both of
Speaker 3: them look absolutely like they find the situation so funny
Speaker 3: that they're being paparazzied, and I just think that they're
Speaker 3: just leaning in.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I still think they're dating officially. Saturday Night
Speaker 1: Live recently did a skit that was a bit different
Speaker 1: to their usual sticks, so they decided to play into
Speaker 1: I guess, their younger audience generations, because I have a
Speaker 1: feeling that anyone above the age of forty would have
Speaker 1: no idea what was happening in this entire skit.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it. So the skit it was called TikTok.
Speaker 1: That was like the official title of it.
Speaker 2: Oh, what could they mean by that?
Speaker 1: What could they mean by that? And it started off
Speaker 1: with like an anonymous texter who receives a message saying
Speaker 1: where are you and they reply that they're on their
Speaker 1: way before getting inhaled into like a doom scroll of TikTok,
Speaker 1: And the entire skit is just like a TikTok feed
Speaker 1: that shows the SNL cast members acting out parodies of
Speaker 1: like big influences that made it like massive on TikTok.
Speaker 1: So for example, Chloe Fyneman plays Alex Cooper, host of
Speaker 1: Call Her Daddy, who does an absolutely brilliant job like
Speaker 1: I generally thought it was her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is up, daddy?
Speaker 3: Gang?
Speaker 2: It is your founding father.
Speaker 1: Today's topic is when to put a finger in Our
Speaker 1: guest today is Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Majorcis bowen
Speaker 1: Yang plays Harry Daniels, who's this influenzer who finds like
Speaker 1: celebrities out in the wild and starts singing to.
Speaker 3: That yes sometimes with great results. Sometimes the celebrities are horrified,
Speaker 3: but it's all about his videos because I guess secondhand
Speaker 3: embarrassment awkward like, but also that when celebrities reject him,
Speaker 3: that's all part of the contents. I think he's actually
Speaker 3: leaning into that when they look horrified.
Speaker 1: There was one where I saw him and I think
Speaker 1: it was Trevanoah. Have you seen this one? Yea in
Speaker 1: a restaurant in TREVANAA gets actually angry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's in a restaurant to have dinner. And
Speaker 3: also it looks like this guy's just coming and singing,
Speaker 3: but he has people around him filming like it's a
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's a whole thing, And I think he's fear to.
Speaker 3: Get filmed for a TikTok prank in public. They just
Speaker 3: do it to random people. I just think that's the
Speaker 3: most annoying thing a human being can do.
Speaker 1: And I think Harry Daniels is at that level of
Speaker 1: fame now where he feels like they should know what's
Speaker 1: happening by now. Yeah, and when they don't, I think
Speaker 1: he gets a bit like embarrassed. So it was like
Speaker 1: reversed on him.
Speaker 3: Now, Well, celebrities do know now, like Katy Perry saw
Speaker 3: him coming to her across like a crowd of room
Speaker 3: once and she's like, Okay, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: Ariana Grana was like, no, we're not doing this again.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this yeah, because she knows.
Speaker 2: What I to you making my way. He's on town
Speaker 2: walk in.
Speaker 3: Past vases Pert that was singing, well yeah.
Speaker 2: Airplane, no please.
Speaker 1: Stuff on me. So Bowen Yang plays him. This skit
Speaker 1: went completely viral, especially on TikTok and across SNL socials.
Speaker 1: Some of the comments had one of the most accurate
Speaker 1: skits I've seen in years. This was one of the
Speaker 1: best things I've seen on SNL in a long time. Wow,
Speaker 1: SNL finally did something funny as hell.
Speaker 3: The reason they forget the move dang skits sketch just
Speaker 3: recent weeks.
Speaker 1: The reason why I found them choosing the skit so
Speaker 1: interesting was because it wasn't aimed at their usual demographic,
Speaker 1: which I did some research and I found that their
Speaker 1: demographic is between thirty to forty years. Last year, Newsweek
Speaker 1: did a poll on SNL viewership and showed that the
Speaker 1: rising generations like gen Z were showing less and less
Speaker 1: interest in SNL like watching it live, whereas their most
Speaker 1: engaged viewerships are from those who remember SNL from the
Speaker 1: nineties who are kind of grown up with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it was like appointment TV to get home
Speaker 3: and watch it on Saturday night, so he didn't miss it,
Speaker 3: But now most people would just consume it like they
Speaker 3: do with every other TV show through like clips on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm kind of interested in like their gameplay here, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think we're still going to see them honing
Speaker 1: in on this younger demographic like range of content, maybe
Speaker 1: probably excluding some of their original engaged viewerships, or are
Speaker 1: they still going to be sticking to like the hardcore
Speaker 1: celebrities that we know.
Speaker 3: I think, like the hardcore celebrities and like things like
Speaker 3: politics will always be like their bread and butter. But
Speaker 3: I also think that with the influences they picked, they're
Speaker 3: ones that have crossed over from just like online fame
Speaker 3: or maybe fame that's hooked to one age group, because
Speaker 3: you've got parodies of Narrosmith and Alex Cooper in there,
Speaker 3: and I think their names that like have transcended just
Speaker 3: one kind of age bracket, which I thought was interesting
Speaker 3: that Chloe Fineman, who played Narrosmith or like a version
Speaker 3: of her the you know, the Internet's favorite child wife, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Alex Cooper, the host of Call Her Daddy. She
Speaker 3: was like practicing her Alex Cooper impersonations on her TikTok,
Speaker 3: so like creating extra content for their but also try
Speaker 3: that fine line of like making fun of her because
Speaker 3: she was making a joke about her interviewing Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: and talking about her vagina being on fire, and afterwards
Speaker 3: she was like, that didn't happen. I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: get into her headspace. And I think the Narrowsmith one
Speaker 3: was actually the funniest.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 3: My husband asked for beef tacos, and I didn't want
Speaker 3: to let him down, so I slaughtered our cow and
Speaker 3: picked the corn myself.
Speaker 1: It started off immediately funny because she puts on like
Speaker 1: the Narrowsmith voice, which is very like soft spoken, like
Speaker 1: almost like a wisp. Yeah, my husband wanted to be
Speaker 1: so I slaughtered.
Speaker 2: A cow, so I went out and slaughtered a cow.
Speaker 1: It's like and she literally get a home mood and
Speaker 1: I would be like, oh, that's so nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so calming and nice.
Speaker 1: So we think that they're like I guess playing in
Speaker 1: that in between stage of like making sure that the
Speaker 1: influencers are known well enough to work for both audiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So Taylor Swift might I've heard of her?
Speaker 3: Is on the final leg of her errors tour.
Speaker 1: Did you see her new reputation.
Speaker 3: Costs I did? And her new enchant to dress Gold.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. It just feels like what do we
Speaker 3: do in our lives? This tour is over, like I
Speaker 3: can't remember a time before it. Did you see that
Speaker 3: viral photo of a woman who has been pregnant twice
Speaker 3: at the Eras tour in the time it's been running,
Speaker 3: Like in this amount of time, she would have delivered
Speaker 3: two human beings the earth in the time that woman
Speaker 3: has been touring.
Speaker 2: What are they doing?
Speaker 1: I need to I need to start checking things off my.
Speaker 3: Life to start achieving something. Ach I mean, I mean
Speaker 3: you got to go, but no, you didn't need any anyway.
Speaker 2: The headlines this.
Speaker 3: Morning, So every morning wake up to headlines. You're like
Speaker 3: a new outfit and new blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: That's nice. Florence Welch, is there great?
Speaker 3: This morning? I was really interested to see David Portnoy's
Speaker 3: name up in all the Taylor Swift headlines.
Speaker 1: Why does his name sound familiar?
Speaker 3: So he is the founder of Barstool Sports, which is
Speaker 3: like a big call her daddy. Yes, that's probably where
Speaker 3: most people I think, I think that's what most women. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well he's been bigger, like in the US in particular
Speaker 3: for a long time. He owns a media company and
Speaker 3: he's also got a huge social following himself through like tiktoks,
Speaker 3: and he does a podcast. I think his podcast is
Speaker 3: mostly just about what it's like to be Dave Portnoy,
Speaker 3: which so.
Speaker 1: He's like a boy boss influencing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a boy boss and that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Heeo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you probably across his name from if you
Speaker 3: cast your mind back to twenty twenty two when the
Speaker 3: Call Her Daddy podcast, which is a huge podcast at
Speaker 3: the time and it was hosted by two friends, Alex
Speaker 3: Cooper and Sophia Franklin, had a very.
Speaker 1: He's just not dead. The friendship is dead.
Speaker 3: The friendship is dead and buried, had a very public
Speaker 3: breakup and it became mainstream international news.
Speaker 1: And the negotiations I remember with Barstool Sports and.
Speaker 3: Called Her Daddy, and Dave port Noy because he was
Speaker 3: the one who brought them into the company, hired them,
Speaker 3: and then their podcast, Caller Daddy, became so wildly popular,
Speaker 3: and then there was this whole public breakup thing where
Speaker 3: Alex and Sophia had a fight behind the scenes. They
Speaker 3: also just stopped recording the podcast they were having a
Speaker 3: fight with Dave. He went into their podcast stream one
Speaker 3: day and recorded his thoughts because they couldn't get access
Speaker 3: to it, and then it all kind of ended. This
Speaker 3: is obviously an epic story that could be a six
Speaker 3: part podcast. I'm just breaking it down for a few minutes.
Speaker 1: We should do that.
Speaker 3: And it all ended with Sophia walking away and starting
Speaker 3: her own podcast, which I believe is called Sophia with
Speaker 3: an F that she still does now, and Alex Cooper
Speaker 3: retaining the Call Her Daddy IP and name and continuing
Speaker 3: to work at Barstools Sports before moving over to a
Speaker 3: huge deal at Spotify. And she and Dave Portnoy have
Speaker 3: had like a lot of back and forth over the years,
Speaker 3: but recently he's been a guest on Call Her Daddy
Speaker 3: and they're like in a good spot, even though he
Speaker 3: publicly got angry for not being invited to Alex Cooper's wedding.
Speaker 3: But you know, swings a roundabouts, so an interesting man
Speaker 3: to be all tied up in.
Speaker 2: The tailor stift head, So what's going on?
Speaker 3: So what happened is Dave port Moy, who I should
Speaker 3: say has always called himself a long term swifty, was
Speaker 3: at the Miami Era's tour show last night and Taylor
Speaker 3: Swift had her brother Austin deliver a handwritten note to
Speaker 3: Dave who was sitting in the VIP tend next to
Speaker 3: Andrea Swift, who is Taylor's mother, and in this beautiful
Speaker 3: envelope with a wax seal with Taylor's initials, like she
Speaker 3: has like medieval style stationary, because of course she does not,
Speaker 3: said Dave, I'm so happy to have you at the
Speaker 3: show tonight.
Speaker 2: Exclamation mark.
Speaker 3: I wanted to say thank you for always being so supportive,
Speaker 3: so loyal, and for having my back when a lot
Speaker 3: of people did it. I hope you have a blast tonight.
Speaker 2: Is that it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, love Taylor. And also it's just say that Taylor
Speaker 3: Sift has personalized stationary that underneath it says songwriter slash
Speaker 3: feline enthusiast, which I feel like is a point that
Speaker 3: no one has picked up on today, but it is
Speaker 3: quite important. Like that's embossed on her stationary.
Speaker 1: That's so weird of her to do. No, it's weird, okay,
Speaker 1: So like out of all the people, him just for
Speaker 1: saying he.
Speaker 3: Liked her, well, he has had a really long history
Speaker 3: with her, so recently he had defended her. Even though
Speaker 3: Dave Portnoy is a very outspoken Donald Trump supporter, which
Speaker 3: not even a red flag scarless little circle. So he
Speaker 3: is a big Donald Trump supporter. But after Taylor's siff
Speaker 3: came out and endorsed Kamala Harris, he defended her against
Speaker 3: people and was like, you know, she's allowed to speak
Speaker 3: on who she wants, She's allowed to support who she wants.
Speaker 2: To leave her alone.
Speaker 3: When Britney Mahomes, who is a friend of Taylor's from
Speaker 3: the whole Travis Kelsey's football situation, did the campaign with
Speaker 3: Skims with Kim kardashi and he came out and blasted
Speaker 3: Brittany for not being loyal to Taylor, and like, where
Speaker 3: does your allegiance lie because so.
Speaker 1: Much that's so weird from man, I know he's a
Speaker 1: man in his late forties.
Speaker 3: No, no, it gets it gets live Brittany. So when
Speaker 3: the whole thing with Kim Kardashian and Kanye West secretly
Speaker 3: recording Taylor Swift over the song lyrics that came out
Speaker 3: when Kanye West said that he was going to say
Speaker 3: Taylor and I might still have sex in a song lyric,
Speaker 3: but when the song came out, he said, I made
Speaker 3: that bitch famous, and Taylor released the same at Shane's
Speaker 3: who was really upset about it, and then Kanye West
Speaker 3: and his team said no, she approved it, and then
Speaker 3: Kim released that audio where she had secretly recorded Taylor
Speaker 3: where it looked like she was agreeing to it on
Speaker 3: the phone, but Taylor Swift later said that the.
Speaker 1: Beach line was the one that she didn't agree to,
Speaker 1: that the call.
Speaker 3: Had been edited to look like something else. But at
Speaker 3: the time, remember how people were flooding Taylor's social accounts
Speaker 3: with the Snake and Taylor.
Speaker 1: Gave us the best album Yeah my God, and Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift's over party was trending in stuff and obviously, like
Speaker 1: people never completely turned against her, but there was a
Speaker 1: lot of hatred for her at the time.
Speaker 3: Dave Portnoy made merch supporting Taylor Swift, which I feel
Speaker 3: like there could be a copyright thing there, but she
Speaker 3: must have been. He made merch that was calling out
Speaker 3: the singer's enemies. It said all You're ever going to
Speaker 3: be is mean and a liar and pathetic. It was
Speaker 3: a t shirt, Oh my God, and then there was
Speaker 3: a lyric. I know, I don't believe she wasn't upset
Speaker 3: about that. Maybe she was happy with it because he
Speaker 3: was selling them. In her defense, well.
Speaker 1: She's probably like, oh call her, Daddy's not there anymore,
Speaker 1: so we need some money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was.
Speaker 3: And then he also sold a T shirt that read
Speaker 3: like Kim Kardashian wear Scooter Braun and all of Taylor's
Speaker 3: ex boyfriends like put them on like one shirt that
Speaker 3: you could buy.
Speaker 1: So he like genuinely loves to Swift.
Speaker 3: This is what I mean. He's been like publicly supporting
Speaker 3: her and trying to get on her side for years.
Speaker 1: He's acting like a fan girl.
Speaker 2: No I know.
Speaker 3: So when the Brittany Mahome stuff came out also at
Speaker 3: this day, she hadn't really done anything. All she'd done
Speaker 3: was her and her husband had posed for a Skims
Speaker 3: campaign because that's what Kim Kardashin does. She gets very
Speaker 3: timely people in these campaigns. And he put up a
Speaker 3: TikTok and he's like, I'm on an airplane. I don't
Speaker 3: want to make too much noise, but I hope everyone
Speaker 3: can hear me for this emergency press conference. But when
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift news strikes, I gotta be there to answer
Speaker 3: it for the Swifties. And then there was a big backlash.
Speaker 3: I can't believe how much not about this. It was
Speaker 3: a backlash that he wasn't a real Swift in he
Speaker 3: was just trying to trade on her fame over the years,
Speaker 3: and that's what he's been pushing against. And then when
Speaker 3: Alex Cooper had him on an episode of Call Her Daddy,
Speaker 3: because she's a big Taylor Swift fan as well. She
Speaker 3: was trying to do a quiz with him of like
Speaker 3: playing Taylor Swift's lyrics and asking him which song they're from,
Speaker 3: and he couldn't name any of them, and he kept saying, no,
Speaker 3: I'm a fan, I just don't know like every lyric
Speaker 3: of every song. And there was a huge backlash of
Speaker 3: people being like, Dave's been trading off her name for years.
Speaker 3: He's always the first one to jump on the news
Speaker 3: cycle and he's not even a real Swifty. So obviously
Speaker 3: he was burnt deep by that and upset. So yesterday
Speaker 3: he was showing off this letter and he was like,
Speaker 3: you guys never believe me that I was a real Swifty.
Speaker 3: But look a handwritten note from this woman, hand delivered
Speaker 3: by her brother, and apparently he and her brother hugged
Speaker 3: as the letter was delivered.
Speaker 1: He would have loved that, hug. This is a wild story.
Speaker 2: It's weird, right yeah.
Speaker 1: Because also he doesn't necessarily need to be a Swiftie
Speaker 1: to be that level of famous that he is.
Speaker 3: Right well, I guess one of the things is, like
Speaker 3: he's really built his company obviously, having like bast Or
Speaker 3: Sports is meant to be kind of like this rogue
Speaker 3: male focused, you know, making content that's meant to be
Speaker 3: a bit like a bit controversial, like, and he's built
Speaker 3: a whole empire off that. And the interesting thing is
Speaker 3: he would probably I guess, get more hits if he
Speaker 3: was against Taylor Swift. Or maybe he just knows exactly
Speaker 3: where the line is to pick his battles and he's
Speaker 3: decided to throw his hat in the ring with her,
Speaker 3: or he's just a super fan, or he just loves
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift music because he has been like for a
Speaker 3: good like millly ten years I think, spending most of
Speaker 3: his time promoting her. So that part is not like
Speaker 3: that interesting, the fact that he's obsessed with her, like
Speaker 3: it's interesting, But the fact that she sent him a
Speaker 3: handwritten letter, knowing the kind of content he does, that
Speaker 3: he would do a TikTok about it.
Speaker 2: He'll do a whole podcast about it. He posted all
Speaker 2: over his socials.
Speaker 1: It's weird that she wants to be associated with him.
Speaker 2: It's weird that.
Speaker 3: Out of all the people, like the celebrities who have
Speaker 3: spoken up about her in the past and who come
Speaker 3: to her shows, like Nicki Glacier the comedian, She's gone
Speaker 3: to something like twenty.
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift show. She travels all over the world to
Speaker 2: go to them.
Speaker 3: You know, there's people like that who have always been
Speaker 3: really outspoken defense of her. Like I'm not sure if
Speaker 3: she's sending them notes, it's an interesting thing. I just
Speaker 3: find it interesting.
Speaker 1: They were just more demure about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like you would show.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: It's like when you know, not everyone showed Megan's jam
Speaker 1: when they got sent and there was like fifty of them.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: But well, it kind of reminds me of when Taylor
Speaker 3: Swift and Katy Perry were sending messages when they were,
Speaker 3: you know, repairing their fews, and Katie Perry sent Taylor
Speaker 3: and Olive Branch and Taylor's showed like.
Speaker 1: Do with this, it was a lovely gesture.
Speaker 3: So it's more interesting that she would just align herself
Speaker 3: so publicly. Well, here's a bit about Dave porte Noy,
Speaker 3: and I should say that all of these are allegations
Speaker 3: that have not been improved, and he has denied them all.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying this is his public history that
Speaker 3: is out there. So back in twenty twenty one, a
Speaker 3: number of sexual assault allegations were put against him. A
Speaker 3: lot of them came from this big feature that was
Speaker 3: printed in Business Insider, and they all call these really
Speaker 3: distressing sexual assault encounters that women had alleged they had
Speaker 3: had with him. So one of the allegations came from
Speaker 3: a woman who was twenty years old at the time,
Speaker 3: and she said that in the summer of twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: she alleged that Dave Portnoy filmed her having oral sex
Speaker 3: with him and then choked her without her permission, and
Speaker 3: she said in a statement, it was so rough, I
Speaker 3: felt like I was being raped. And then she was
Speaker 3: saying that she said a message to a friend later
Speaker 3: which I think was caught up in these allegations, saying
Speaker 3: I was literally screaming out in pain. And then in
Speaker 3: the past another video was made public where it looked
Speaker 3: like he was choking a young woman, but then she
Speaker 3: came out and said that particular moment was consensual. She
Speaker 3: said that she wasn't classifying it as sexual assault, but
Speaker 3: she felt preyed upon by him. And then another woman
Speaker 3: came out and alleged that Dave Portnoy choked her and
Speaker 3: filmed her without permission. And all women spoke to this
Speaker 3: publication under the condition that their names would be kept
Speaker 3: out of the press because they were too scared of
Speaker 3: retaliations what they were saying of Dave Portnoy and his followers,
Speaker 3: because they said that he has a reputation for tormenting
Speaker 3: anyone and like publicly taking them down for anyone who
Speaker 3: crosses him. After that happened, Dave Portnoy immediately went on
Speaker 3: social media and said that everything with these women had
Speaker 3: been consensual. He then went on to show screenshots and
Speaker 3: DMS from a woman saying that a similar thing had happened,
Speaker 3: but she had no regret, and it went on and
Speaker 3: on and on, and obviously he has always come out
Speaker 3: and said that wasn't true, but these allegations sort of
Speaker 3: like have become part of his story and then pretty horrific.
Speaker 3: They're pretty horrific. Allegations, and Business Insider was like, you know,
Speaker 3: we've spoken to these women, we fact check this. These
Speaker 3: are the stories, the allegations they're putting out. He's also
Speaker 3: over the years like made jokes about rape and then
Speaker 3: say like, I don't condone rape, but he'll like make
Speaker 3: jokes about it. He's called other female sports reporters sluts
Speaker 3: and you know, sea words and stuff. When he's doing
Speaker 3: his comedy. There's you know, tapes of him choking another
Speaker 3: college age girl that came out, although that woman came out,
Speaker 3: so it sounds like he doesn't like consensual well except
Speaker 3: for Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3: It's just like he has a very very problematic history,
Speaker 3: I would say, and there's a lot of gray area
Speaker 3: around that around things that have happened. And even if
Speaker 3: you sort of step aside the allegations because they're not
Speaker 3: pro proven thing, like they're just the jokes he makes
Speaker 3: on his own show that you know, he owns the company.
Speaker 3: He can say whatever he wants on his podcast, on
Speaker 3: his shows, on his social media, but a lot of
Speaker 3: it just so doesn't align with anything that Taylor Swift
Speaker 3: puts out into the world. And for a woman that
Speaker 3: is so careful of like curating her image and so
Speaker 3: aware of what she's putting out in the world, and
Speaker 3: so aware of who she aligns herself with and what
Speaker 3: her fans think of her. I just think that was
Speaker 3: a really strange move from her to say I'm going
Speaker 3: to like really align myself publicly with this man when
Speaker 3: he has that reputation. But maybe at the same time,
Speaker 3: she's just also sick of having to like tiptoe around
Speaker 3: and be so aware because on the other hand, like
Speaker 3: she is quite untouchable at the moment, Like this is
Speaker 3: a new story today, but it's not going to like
Speaker 3: affect her long term and Dave Porten, who's going to
Speaker 3: live off this forever.
Speaker 2: So it's worked out well for both of them.
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