1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Seize the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: one way. So this is the platforms to hear and 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore, 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst days 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of Seizing your Yea. I'm 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: funentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: Matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. Sees the Ya is 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: a series of conversations on finding a life you love 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: the way. 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: He here, Hello, good morning, good morning, good morning to 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: forty three pm in the afternoon. That's Friday, twenty ninth 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: of July. 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Is it really? What is Nelly August? 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: It's almost the end of winter. 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: What did And We've had a fabulously productive day in 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: ways we didn't expect made it and come over to 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: the new house and we were going to record this 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: little yeaze of our lives. Catch up. It's been a 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: while since we did our last one. 25 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: We say this, We have saying that because every time 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: we get onto this and we say, it's been a while. 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: Time. 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: Sixteen What was it before our trip? 29 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, before you into Greece. 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we were going to do our first episode 31 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: from the new house, like just on the floor using 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: boxes and film it in an empty room and then 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: like record a lot of reflections of how it felt 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: and then re record the next one or hopefully the 35 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: next one with all the furniture actually in it. And 36 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: it finished. But then the Trade is we're making so 37 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: much noise and we ended up coming home. So we 38 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: we did a lot. We helped Nick feel the skip. Yes, 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: we helped with rubbish management. 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: Rubbish rubbish. 41 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 4: I just wannnoyed Nick all day long. 42 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: Hype beutiful next. But this is Trade's friends who are 43 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: so embarrassed. So when your mom's moms do drop off 44 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: at school embarrassed their kids, Oh my god, it's so. 45 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: Funny, so funny. So that's what we've done today. We 46 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: haven't done any cca until right at this moment. It's cool, but. 47 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: Don't worry everything is flowing, smooth everything. We are a 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: well oiled machine. 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so bim. We haven't actually had a 50 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: proper catch up, like we've seen each other, but we 51 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: haven't had our proper catch up since before Greece. How 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: are you feeling? 53 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: I thought I was getting sick, and I've got this 54 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: lingering kind of I guess, but it's not like six sick. 55 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: But it's not like my partner was like relasic and 56 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to and sick, and then 57 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: now I'm not sick. So I don't really know, but 58 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: otherwise have been good. 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: I went to Newcastle. 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: He had another yesterday another yesterday. 61 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 4: I was so cute. 62 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: I love them. 63 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 4: I surprised them. 64 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: Wait they didn't know you were coming, so. 65 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: Fatty, I knew I was coming, How didn't know I 66 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 4: was coming? 67 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wait give context, so for you guys, if 68 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: anyone hasn't heard about the Newcastle Friends yet. 69 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: They're my favorite. They're a couple of whatever with two kids. 70 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: I'm I became friends with How for a while and 71 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: then Fatty's her partner, but then we just have all 72 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: become like friends. And then they lived in Melbourne. They 73 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: moved to Newcastle. 74 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: And since well, I first moved to Sydney and the Newcastle, and. 75 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: I've done this thing where I've I think more often 76 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: than not, I've gone up and surprised one of them. 77 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: Normally I surprise how and Fatty was here down here 78 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 4: the other week or the other month, and. 79 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'll come up again. He's like, 80 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: that'd be so awesome. The kids would love it, and 81 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: obviously we'd love it. And then so I organized with 82 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: him that i'd come up, and he organized up and 83 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 2: he's like a quiet dude. Anyway, he picked me up 84 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: with their kid, with their son, and then I was 85 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: they brought this new castle. I sat at the back 86 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: like it was you know those utes, but you can 87 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: put a hood over it. 88 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you were in the tray. 89 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 4: So no, I wasn't in the train. 90 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: We got home. The train we got home and I 91 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: went to the train and I lay in there, and 92 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: then he was like trying to be hey, can you 93 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: come out, because he told them that he went to 94 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: get pick up some things from Facebook marketplace and she's 95 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: like not again. And then so I seen in the 96 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: train and that he pretended it was like building equipment. 97 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: He's not a bil just does. 98 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Like little handy manager. 99 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: Well, he just does like fun furniture making, like for fun. 100 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: And then is that his play? Yeah, it's literally is 101 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: like it's so funny and that is sharpening his knives 102 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 2: or something. 103 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: What wow? 104 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 2: Right? Boys? And then so he's in the tray and 105 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: then she came out with Cudy and then they were like. 106 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: I was like, what are you doing me? 107 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and she was like speechless. It was so cute. 108 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: And then we had I was there for a few 109 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: nights and then we had Yesterday and the kids are 110 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: like growing up to such a fun age. 111 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 4: They're like four, five and seven. 112 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: Ange does a yes day where you're not allowed to 113 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: say no right to anything, to. 114 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: Take them out of school for a day. 115 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: And then we started it last year and then I 116 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: came up and I thought I'd. 117 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 4: Forget about it and that was it. And then Claudy 118 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: on like the second last day, I was like, so 119 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 4: when are we going to do yesterday? Oh, it's such 120 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 4: a cute idea. Well, if you was your parents, we 121 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 4: could maybe do it tomorrow. 122 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: And they asked and they were like absolutely, So I 123 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: took them out of school and then Yeah, on a 124 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: piece of paper. 125 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: They have to write all the. 126 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: Things they want to do. 127 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: The little list is so cute. Yeah, and again nice cream. 128 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. It normally has to be on the list for 129 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: it to be able to be yes or node. But 130 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: kind of it's like just what just yes all day long. 131 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: So and they're really awesome kids. They're just like it's 132 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: not like can we have these bajillian like presence. Last 133 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: year was like no present. Last year was like catch 134 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: the bus. Oh my god, so cute. I remember something 135 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: cake dinner? 136 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: Did you make the parents like a Valentine's Yeah, we 137 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: had dinner. 138 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: We had fancy dinner f an fancy yes, y cue 139 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: fancy fancy where they have to dress up nice and 140 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: then wet the waitresses and we cook and then Cordy 141 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: writes this. 142 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 4: Little menu and a little handwriting. 143 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god, and it's like the sushi made by 144 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: Cordy or by herself, Like that's the whole title. 145 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: Of the item. Cute. 146 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, we were like they wanted to go to 147 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: the movies. We watched this random like a kid's movie, 148 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 2: and they want to go to time Zone. 149 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 4: They wanted to just walk in Kmart. I ended up 150 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 4: being like the annoying Annie. 151 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: Being like, you have twenty five dollars lemon eat and 152 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: I forget how much twenty five dollars actually is. For kids, 153 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: They're like, oh my. 154 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: God, rookie error also came out. You can get like 155 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: a popcorn maker. 156 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: Ly a dog. 157 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: Player was random exposing. 158 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 4: That's how music on her walks. So walk my discman. 159 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: We have a little workmen and if I walk to 160 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: aggressively like the CD skips. 161 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: So we had yesterday, and then I find when I 162 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: go to Newcastle one, it's really beautiful. It's this beautiful 163 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: coastal town. But I don't know something about their house 164 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: or what it is. But then I go into my 165 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: roots and I like cooked every night, but like really 166 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: fun and wholesome meals. Yeah, I made like we made 167 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: past it from scratch. 168 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: I love doing that. 169 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: I still worked out when I was over there. 170 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: It was just really nice. 171 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: I just love yesterday. I feel like that's also with me. 172 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: You make us do yesterday, and you're like you then 173 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: I have to do like climbing. Yeah, ceramics, we're still 174 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: not picked up. 175 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: Coming. I think about that. 176 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: It's because the pickup hoors. 177 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: I think any why any why but I got a 178 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: newcastle as you returned from Greece, which meant that when 179 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: the day you arrived back from Greece was the day 180 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: you got your keys to your house. 181 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. And I was like, can you bring 182 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: the dollys? 183 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: But yes, tell me about one Greece and then to 184 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: the new abode. 185 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so so much has happened. Yes, we 186 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: were in Greece, as you guys know, and we had 187 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: the most beautiful trip attending our dear old friend's wedding 188 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: which was in Athens, and it was just the most 189 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: beautiful event, full of love and celebration. It was a 190 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: big Israeli wedding. I love Jewish weddings. Always wanted to, 191 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: like they just throw each other. Have you seen them? 192 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: They make like a big long league of what is it? 193 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 4: What's that honor? 194 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: It was Friday brain a long God and like throw 195 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: each other up in the air and then they like 196 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: get the bride and groom up on their chairs, like 197 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: it's just so much fun. There's just so much joy. 198 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: And it was the most stunning location. Obviously it was 199 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: warm over there, so everyone was in the great mood 200 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: and it was lovely because Andrew is a friend of 201 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: ours who we both knew separately before we were together. 202 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: So this is like fourteen years ago, so we were 203 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: separately friends and then have continued our friendship for years. 204 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: But he moved to Israel, like I don't know, maybe 205 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: I want to say two years, but you know my 206 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: time scale, actually you know that, So we moved. I 207 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: think it's maybe even seven or eight years now, but 208 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: I would say two one financial year, one quarter, maybe 209 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: two quarters. So we like don't get to see him 210 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: that much either. And we hadn't even met his beautiful 211 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: wife now and they've had a baby, beautiful little baby girl, 212 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: so she was at the wedding. It was just beautiful. 213 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: So so yeah, we had. It was a three day 214 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: extravaganza with all their family and I would say like 215 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: maybe half were from Israel, which was only a one 216 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: and a half hour flight, and then the rest were 217 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: like Australians who were jet lagged but like ready to 218 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: ready to celebrate. So we went over. I think we 219 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: had like a week in Athens and then a week 220 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: on Patos, which is a beautiful Greek island that we 221 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: didn't really research much before we went. We'll focus more 222 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: on the wedding, and then we're like, well, we've flown 223 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: like to the other side of the world, we might 224 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: as well have a little bit of time to decomposse 225 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: at the end. And you got you know, you know, 226 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: we've had like a really big year, and we just 227 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 1: thought it'd be really nice to yeah, tack on a 228 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: little holiday that wasn't a work trip. So we chose 229 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: Paros just from like a couple of random articles and 230 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: then didn't really research much about it and had no 231 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: idea it was going to be like. 232 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: One of our favorite places. It looked so good. 233 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: It was just so I think tranquil is the best word. 234 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: And to be there during peak season and not be like, oh, 235 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: I have tourist infestation. 236 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: It was literally in the middle of peak, so we 237 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: were already prepared for it to be just jam packed 238 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: and really difficult to get around, and it still felt 239 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: like you could get a spot in a restaurant without queueing. 240 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: The streets still felt really open and lovely, and we 241 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: walked everywhere and it's just warm and I was like 242 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: barefoot and make up free for seven day. It was 243 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: just absolutely amazing. 244 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 4: Was it hard to get to that island. 245 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: Or was it. 246 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: No, it was we were going to get the ferry, 247 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: but the Fairy times didn't work with like we would 248 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: have had to leave the wedding guests the recovery really early. 249 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: We kind of wanted to maximize our time with them, 250 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: so we flew and it was like a twenty minute flight. 251 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: You could fly. 252 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: You can fly. Yeah, and it was a twenty minute flight. 253 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: You only have to get to the airport, like, I 254 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: don't know, forty five minutes early. But the Fairy is 255 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: like three and a half hours to six hours. But 256 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: if you get the express one, it's three. 257 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: Now is it a big cost difference. 258 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: It's definitely cheaper to get the ferry, but the timings 259 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: are a lot more inconvenient, And I think the price 260 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: difference was like it was less like it wasn't if 261 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: that makes sense. So if you're really short on time, 262 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of worth the exchange of. 263 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: So you get the spirit of tiest media or a private 264 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 4: jet or you can. 265 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: Stream. Don't pretend that you just flow a commercial airlines. 266 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: Oh my gods, even imagine. 267 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: You just got black Hawk to take you there. 268 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: I just called the military a special interest in you guys. 269 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 4: You don't know, but you actually don't know, but I am. 270 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. Like a Q grade celebrity was 271 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: tea but now I'm cute. Wait it's tea after quait. 272 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: I always have to go wait, no, wait q after 273 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: miss my wait suck. We had the most beautiful, beautiful time, 274 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: and it's like rare that we would go somewhere and 275 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: not need to explore it to within an inch to say, it's. 276 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: Rare that we go around people don't recognize us. 277 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, if I would that, No, it's rare. 278 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 3: We stopped six times, okay, but to be fair, we 279 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: did find this beautiful health food cafe that had these 280 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 3: like amazing cye balls and like lattes, and they had 281 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 3: matchural lattes and I was like, ha ha. 282 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: Like imagine if I got a match l I'm like 283 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: really over matcha. 284 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 285 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: I've just tast tested for like twenty five years. And 286 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: then we found out it's matro Maden. 287 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 4: You go, how macha, I told you? 288 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: I told you you can't go in and. 289 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: Small random island in Greece like absolutely blew me away. 290 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: That was really really special, but definitely no one recognized us. 291 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: So don't even because that would never happen. 292 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 4: I saw some influencer in the wild shot. 293 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: But it's really rare for us to get somewhere and 294 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: not like we had these you know, long list of 295 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: like you've got to hike this and like go and 296 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: see this each and like drive around, get like a 297 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: ATV and drive around the island and go and do 298 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: this monastery and like normally we would do all that, 299 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: and we just made this decision like it doesn't matter 300 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: if we don't see every inch of the island. It's 301 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: okay if we just kind of stay in the one spot. 302 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: And it was delightful. I didn't know what day it 303 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: was for the whole time. We just I think I've 304 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: read four books. I was like, well, seizing the Yeah. 305 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: I don't think I've read four books in my life. 306 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't think you have either. You might have read 307 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: the Flip book. 308 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: But one of the really. 309 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: Beautiful things that happened when we're over there is on 310 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: So we had like four days of the wedding, and 311 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: that was, you know, surrounded by a lot of incredible people. 312 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: We actually knew nobody at the wedding, which has happened to 313 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: us quite a few times, and everyone knew us no, 314 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: shut up. I feel I feel like people. I feel 315 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: like people think like no will be a good time 316 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: even if we don't know anyone, because we often like 317 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: get invited to weddings, which is such a privilege where 318 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: we don't know many people. And we made so many 319 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: incredible friends, especially like those three day ones where you 320 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: kind of have the first night and then you re 321 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: connect every night. It was lovely. We left with a 322 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: lot of new friends and met some incredible people. But 323 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, we were surrounded by a lot of like 324 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people for that whole time, and then 325 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: Paris was just us, which was so lovely. And the 326 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: timing worked out so well because on the third day 327 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: that we were there, the Stellar article came out. 328 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, how has that been? 329 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: Which was so special because I don't think you could 330 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: have timed it better, Like if it had come out 331 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: while we were surrounded by people, I think it would 332 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: have been a lot to uncess. 333 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: You didn't know the exact date that had also come out, 334 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: did you know? 335 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: I did, Like I think by the maybe by the 336 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: week before I knew, but we'd already left. I knew 337 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: vaguely what like I knew the month and I knew that, 338 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, it comes out on a weekend, but I 339 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: didn't know, like we didn't time anything around it. And 340 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: the way that it all unraveled that we has happened 341 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: to be alone, really far away on a different time zone, 342 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: but just together so we could reflect separately to our 343 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: daily life and not get distracted by kind of all 344 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: the noise. It was like a really really special weekend. 345 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 4: Do you want to talk about the article? 346 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: I think we should. Yeah, I think it be weird, 347 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: not too well, like. 348 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: It's your very much your story to tell in the time, 349 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: and that you want to tell it. Yeah, well, I 350 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: think it's different having it written and having to speak 351 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: about it. That's true, that verbally feels very different. But 352 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: obviously I know how you were and how it has 353 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: been for you. 354 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: But how are you? How are you now? 355 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: Really good? Really good? And I think a big part 356 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: of that. So for those who sort of haven't kept 357 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: up with the progression of the article and everything that's 358 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: come out, a little bit of a trigger warning before 359 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: we get into this part of the conversation. We do 360 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: talk about pregnancy loss in this part of the episode, 361 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: so just please be careful if this might be a 362 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: triggering area. As I know, it's a very very sensitive 363 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: topic for a lot of people. So we earlier in 364 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: the year, I think, I mean, you guys know, we've 365 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: been very open about starting to try or kind of 366 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: like not not trying last year coming off the pill 367 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: and then you know, having a really big year of 368 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: not being in the same state a lot. Nick was 369 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: back and forth from Tazzy, So last year was just 370 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: a bit of a kind of start stab in the dark, 371 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: like you know, get our brains in gear, but we 372 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: weren't really going hard. And then towards the end of 373 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: last year a lot of the travel settled down and 374 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: we started trying trying in like literally December, and then 375 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: by January I was pregnant, which was like this crazy. 376 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: It was so crazy because so it's sort of hard 377 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: to tell the story without giving you all the background, 378 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: so I might as well just catch you off and everything. 379 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: So we, as you know, both have adoption in our families. 380 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: I'm adopted. Nick's mum is also adopted, so we had 381 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: very little medical history. We were trying not late, but 382 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: not early. And you know, when it comes to fertility, 383 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: often the more information that you have, the more equipped 384 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: you are to kind of make decisions. So a lot 385 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: of couples start trying and then wait before they do 386 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: all the tests. They kind of try for six months 387 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: and then you know, we'll go and do a round 388 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: of tests if they haven't been successful. We started early 389 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: knowing that we just had a bit more of a 390 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: blank slate kind of thing without having half of Nick's 391 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: kind of started the family and all of my genetics. 392 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: So we had booked an appointment with a fertility specialist 393 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: for January, and that was literally just to see what 394 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: kind of test we could do. I think I'd shared 395 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: that I'd already done the blood test for the agg count. Yeah, 396 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: we hadn't done like compatibility or Nick hadn't done anything. 397 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: So he booked this test and then I only did 398 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: a pregnancy test because I knew that appointment was coming up, 399 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: because I was like, you know, she's going to ask me, 400 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: have you at least checked that you're not pregnant or like, 401 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: are you will aren't you? And so I hadn't even 402 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: thought about doing one until like the weekend of like 403 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: the point was of the Monday, did one had had 404 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: no symptoms or anything, and I was pregnant and like 405 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: my cycles were very long. I'm talking like fifty days. 406 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 4: Yours of yours are cooked? 407 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: Do you know what they're normal? Now? 408 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 409 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 4: Are you telling me? 410 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? 411 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll get to that. But they were like 412 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: fifty days. Had no idea when it ovulated, had no idea, like, 413 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: wasn't even waiting because you didn't have been. 414 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 4: Off the pill for like six months at that point. 415 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: I think it was like ten yeah, yees, but not 416 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: like not that long. But they hadn't regulated. They were 417 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: just all over the place. So often, you know, if 418 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: you have a twenty eight day cycle, you know when 419 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: you ovulate, then you know the two week waiting to 420 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: find out if you're pregnant, whereas I didn't even know 421 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: if that period had started, so I wasn't waiting to 422 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: do a test or anything. So anyway, it was a 423 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: total surprise. It was the weekend of the tennis finals, 424 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: so we had amazing tickets to the men's and women's 425 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: finals with champagne. Companies were serve seafood, and like straight 426 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: away I was like, oh my god, I cunt any 427 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: of these. I'm going to hide it. It was like this 428 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: beautiful secret. And then we waited, as we you know 429 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: as you usually do for the dating scan or the 430 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: viability scan, which is around six weeks. So we had 431 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: that scan and everything looked like a week earlier than 432 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: it should which is fine because they thought maybe we 433 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: dated it wrong. Let's wait seven days. You know, there's 434 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: like an eighty percent chance. It's all fine, wait seven days, 435 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: get another scan. So I was like, okay, like this 436 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: level of uncertainty is probably normal. Whatever. Then the next 437 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: scan we had seven days later, they were like, it's 438 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: probably like an eighty percent chance the other direction. You 439 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: haven't grown. So you get like markers of what you 440 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: should have and by certain weeks, and we knew that 441 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: it had to be X week I think it was. 442 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: It had to be week six. By then there's no heartbeat, 443 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: but you know it's eighty twenty, so keep hope, but 444 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: come back in seven days. So these like seven day 445 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: intervals were starting to just become. 446 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 447 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: I remember organizing well. 448 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 2: Even the five week one, you were like, there were 449 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 2: the first one. Even then you were like counting down 450 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: the days to get that one because you were like 451 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 2: I can't wait to like no, at that point, you 452 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: had I think. 453 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: The app Yeah, I'd had flow, so I could like 454 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: check my I could start to calculate what my cycles 455 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: might look like that. 456 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 4: But you also had the you know how big oh yeah. 457 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I was like to me, see, yeah. 458 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 2: You getting the week five one, and then coming home 459 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: a bit deflated, being like I don't even know when 460 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: another seven days and seven days felt. 461 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: Like a million so long, weird, like we had. 462 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 2: Even not done podcasts in that period because you were 463 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: just so like destruction and distracted and like yeah, stressed 464 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: and about the next week. And then obviously the next 465 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: week happened, and then yeah yeah, and then. 466 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: And then that was really long. So then yeah, then 467 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: we had the sort of eighty twenty in the other direction. 468 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: And then seven days later they were like, you've definitely 469 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: like the embryo kept growing, which was really odd, but 470 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: without a hardbeats, it was definitely non viable. By then, 471 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: I think they said like ninety ten or ninety five 472 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: slash five percent chance that it's not going to be 473 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: a viable pregnancy. And it's I now know, incredibly common, 474 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: like way more common than I ever could have understood, 475 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: and also way less of an impediment to a successful 476 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: future pregnancy than I thought. I kind of was like 477 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: it's the end, like that it's never going to you know. 478 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: I just thought it was the end of the world. 479 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: But what ended up being the most challenging part is 480 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: that because the embryo kept growing, for me, it wasn't 481 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: going to pass naturally. It just kept growing. So they 482 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: were like, you can, you know, just wait and it 483 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: could be a month or six weeks or and I 484 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: was very symptomatic by then, so I had very bad nausea. 485 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, just quite dysfunctional, like not 486 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: really able to I was working, but I wasn't. I 487 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: felt like it was just an enormous struggle because I 488 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: was so sick. And they said the other alternative is 489 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: you can book a dilation and cureitage a DNC, which 490 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: is the procedure that if you have a non viable 491 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: pregnancy that brings about the miscarriage. So I tried to 492 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: book that. My ov was away. I couldn't get in 493 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: for how long I can't even remember really how long 494 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: it was. It felt like a million years, and I 495 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: had to spend I think it was like maybe the 496 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: next two weeks knowing it wasn't going ahead, very symptomatic, 497 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 1: staying pregnant, Yeah, and that was the time when our 498 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: c the eight events fell so to all our beautiful listeners, 499 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: if I did seem any different, I'm hoping I didn't. 500 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: But that was that period was happening sort of in 501 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: the background of those events you did so well. 502 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: An event was the day after you kind of found out, 503 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: wasn't it. I remember it being a pretty sensitive time. No. 504 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: I think i'd found out the week before because I 505 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: knew at the Melbourne event, which was a week that's right, Yeah, yeah, 506 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: but it was I knew that I couldn't do anything 507 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: about it, but I was really remember I was like 508 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: eating random stuff and I had Maria's book launch that must. 509 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: Have been just your first trip away since yeah. 510 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: And I hadn't flown either, so I didn't know how 511 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: i'd feel flying anyway. It was like a really obviously 512 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: it was a very upsetting, and you know, it's sort 513 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: of weird because part of me actually went quite numb. 514 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: I went really like, what do I feel about? You 515 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: almost have so many feelings that you don't feel anything 516 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: because you just like, I just need a function and 517 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: probably having work commitments made it easier to survive because 518 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: I had a destruction and I just had to wait 519 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: those two weeks. I'd booked the surgery, and I just 520 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: had to wait until I could know. How did I 521 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: book the surgery? No, you didn't, because I couldn't. 522 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: You ended up going into emergency. 523 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: That's right. Oh my god, this is such a long story, guys. 524 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I should have started like in the 525 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: reverse anyway, stream of consciousness. So we had our beautiful events. 526 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: They were an incredible, incredible distruction at a time when 527 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: I really needed it, and it just brought so much 528 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: like love and joy. I think I appreciated them even 529 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: more because of knowing in my head sort of what 530 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: was going on. And then we went into the week 531 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: that was it. No International Women's Day was coming up, 532 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: so I think I found out that I couldn't get 533 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: I still couldn't book in soon enough, but I was recommended, 534 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: why don't you just present to emergency because it is 535 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: actually a medical emergency, like you're quite unwell, and just 536 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: see if they can book you into a gynocologist. We did. 537 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: They were amazing. I had the most wonderful doctor. And 538 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: this is one thing that has been really interesting about 539 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: the experience is that I noticed that straight away I 540 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: go into reducing the experience. I'm like, oh, I found 541 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: out it five weeks. That's really early. We didn't know 542 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: a gender. Like it's an early it's a small one, 543 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: like I kept calling it a small one, and the 544 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: doctor was like, there is no small or big, like 545 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: it's what it is, no matter how early or late, 546 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: like of course there are degrees, but you know, it 547 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: was really validating and lovely, Whereas I think I was 548 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: worried that doctors who will see it all the time 549 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: would be really clinical and would sort of think, well, 550 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: you can just you can wait, like you don't know, 551 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: this is not an emergency for you. But they were amazing. 552 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: They were like, let's do this tomorrow. I had the surgery. 553 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: It's a day procedure. It's like literally done in twenty minutes. 554 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: But I haven't had a major surgery since my wisdom teeth, 555 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: like fifteen years ago, so it felt like a really 556 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: big deal to get admitted and go on to general. 557 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: And then I think this was yeah, this was the Thursday, 558 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: and the next week was International Women's Week. I had 559 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: it Thursday night. I took Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and you 560 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: would normally take Saturday, Sune anyway, and then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 561 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: I had speaking gigscess crazy and I couldn't wear pants 562 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: or a tight dress because I had an appy on. Yeah, 563 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: so I like bizarre International Women's Week, like bleeding, but 564 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: also I think it was very significant to be talking 565 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: about the power of women. I was almost like in 566 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: tears half the time, just thinking how amazing we are, 567 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: like the shit we put our bodies through and that 568 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: they have to deal with, and it was still really 569 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: too raw for me to like talk about or be 570 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: open with, but that the alignment of that week with 571 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: what I was going through at the time was really beautiful. 572 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: And then I guess I just went into healing and 573 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: like physically healing first, which was a very good mental distraction, 574 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: and then probably a couple of weeks later it was like, 575 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: so I having processes mentally either, And then that started 576 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: and I think maybe only after I'd had a bit 577 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: of time to process it myself, and once my cycle 578 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: came back came back quicker than I thought, I started 579 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: to reflect more and more on a how many women. 580 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: When I did start to tell really close friends like 581 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: I told I mean, I told you really early, but 582 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: we didn't tell many other people until until I had 583 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: felt like I'd processed it a lot, which is a 584 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: self protection mechanism. Almost every woman I told had had 585 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: a miscarriage as well, not even just had heard of 586 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: someone who had or had a friend who had. Was like, yeah, 587 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: me too, Like at least one in between their children 588 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: or their first one, some two in a row, some 589 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: three in a row. And I was like, we're really close. 590 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, why have. 591 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: We not spoken at Why have we not spoken about this? 592 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: And it's almost like only once you invite that topic 593 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: to people sort of share back with you and there's 594 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: no criticism or judgment at all, like you're not just 595 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: going to volunteer that onto somebody. But at the same time, 596 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: why do I was like, I did that too. I 597 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: totally suffered in silence. I didn't lean on any women 598 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: around me. 599 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 4: Experience is yeah, and. 600 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to be because obviously like one 601 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: in four women around you. 602 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 4: Share that and not reably more I don't know. 603 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: I don't yeah, and that's only just what's reported, which 604 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: is of course is always underreported. And it made me 605 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: just start thinking, not only did that shared connections start 606 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: to make me feel even better into sort of processing 607 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: at all, and some of the conversations that then opened 608 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: up I learned a lot more or I got perspectives 609 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: that helped me heal even further. I just thought how 610 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: our reflex is to keep really quiet about it, either 611 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: because it's I don't think it's stigma or taboo. I 612 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: don't think people go ooh, like, don't talk about that. 613 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: I think it's more like the shame or the sense 614 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: of failure maybe, or the sense of like, it's absolutely 615 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: understandable that at the beginning you don't really want to 616 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: talk about it because it's too fresh, but then once 617 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: you get past that initial pain. I was just like, 618 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: I found what was the most helpful thing for me 619 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: was hearing from other women who had been there and 620 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: then realizing your feelings were really valid. 621 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I feel like it's very 622 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: lonely and until you know someone that's also been through it, 623 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: and then you can share that. Because you're sharing that 624 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: with me, I couldn't really like validate you, yeah, other 625 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: than saying knowing that it's common, but having not experienced it, 626 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: it's a very different sense I'm feeling of support than 627 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: me having gone through it and then we can talk 628 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: about the nitty gritty and I can actually like empathize. 629 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: But I feel like until you that your friends know 630 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: that you've had it, it's very hard to talk to 631 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: someone about it. I'd imagine that hasn't had it before. 632 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: It's like trying to have a like a guy I understand. 633 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: Period. There's only to an extent where you can really 634 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: like vent about your issues without them being like, well, okay, 635 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: like sorry, it's like they're there, Whereas when it's someone 636 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: that a good friend or anyone that you've known that's 637 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: gone through it, it's like this like trauma bonding almost 638 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: experience where you can actually chat about something in depth 639 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: without just being like even as someone that has heard 640 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: about it from you, I was like, I don't know 641 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: how to respond to that, yeah, because there's and I'm 642 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: sure that's one thing as well, is that you don't 643 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: want to tell people because I don't know how they're 644 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: going to respond if it's. 645 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: Like this, and you don't want to make them awkward 646 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: either exactly. 647 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: And the shame that you feel is mainly they're from 648 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: their response as opposed to you actually feeling shameful about it. 649 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: It's like if people are like, oh, well hmm, then 650 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: you're like, oh shit. 651 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: And I think you also get worried of course that 652 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: you don't know what other people are going through either, 653 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: so you don't want to tell someone and they're like, 654 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, they're in their first twelve weeks and they 655 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: don't want to even hear the word miscarriage because they're 656 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: so scared or anxious that it might have it to that. 657 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: You know, Like it's a really hard topic to navigate 658 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: because it is private, it is sensitive. But at the 659 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: same time, I feel like it's so common, but that's 660 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: not reflected in our level of conversation about it. And 661 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: the other thing I realized was that not only did 662 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: it enormously help me to hear from other women who 663 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: had experienced it, it enormously would have helped me more. 664 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: I think if women who had spoken about it not 665 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: spoken about it after their next successful child, which is 666 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: again so understandable, like absolutely no judgment at all, and 667 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: it's not anyone's business, Like you don't actually owe anybody 668 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: your story. You don't have to make that choice. Not 669 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: everyone speaks as openly. In fact, most people don't speak 670 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: as openly about all the datais of their life as 671 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: I do, so it's absolutely no judgment to anyone else's decisions. 672 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: But I felt like, because I always talk about things 673 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: that I go through, and because I hope that that 674 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: reaches one other person who might be going through that, 675 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: that I was like, I have this opportunity to turn 676 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: something that has happened, no matter what. It was shit, 677 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: no matter what. But now I feel a little bit 678 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: more comfortable to sort of explore it more. Maybe if 679 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: I talked about it before, you know, if I don't 680 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: wait until we successfully hopefully have a child, it might 681 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: hit someone else in the middle of uncertainty with them 682 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: not thinking, oh, but you know, she's not in the 683 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: uncertainty anymore, so I can't kind of relate to that 684 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: hope that you still have because you don't need to 685 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: have that anymore. And that led that brew for a 686 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: little while, and then I was like, oh, is that 687 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: self indulgent? Like is anyone even listening? And then where 688 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: would I even talk about it? And then more and 689 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: more I was just like, I think it's really important. 690 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sort of hearing that conversation that often, and 691 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: it would have enormously helped me. In fact, right now. 692 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: It would still even help me to hear from other 693 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: people who haven't yet had their children, but those stories 694 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: are also helpful because you also want to hear that 695 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: you can still have successfully have children afterwards. But I 696 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: just had this like real month, I think of just 697 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: thinking I need to find a way to communicate this story, 698 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: but also because as someone who shares all their personality 699 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: with their closest friends but also not their closest friends 700 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: and strangers, I was like feeling almost deceptive in like 701 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: hiding my defining event of twenty twenty three that has 702 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: changed everything about my year, how I approach things, the 703 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: timeline of where I think I am in my life, 704 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: Like excluding that from all discourse with everyone I know 705 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: was odd, And then I investigated, like why why? And 706 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: the only reason was because in my brain we have 707 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: this thing of like, well you don't talk about that, yeah, 708 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: why yeah, not that we also be yelling about it 709 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: all the time. There's a time and a place, but anyway, 710 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: So the opportunity came up to share the story with Stella, 711 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: the incredible, incredible editor. Sarah I had met at Maria's 712 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: book launch when I was actually pregnant and knew that 713 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't Bible, and she held so much space for 714 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: me to tell the story on Stella's podcast, and then 715 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: it was written into a beautiful article just describing the 716 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: timeline and the emotions and the process, like even the 717 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: medical procedure. I had no idea. When they said dancing, 718 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what that means, and 719 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: they just looked at me like, but you're a woman. 720 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, I never googled that before, Like why would 721 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: I know what that meant? 722 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: Till you're trying. You still don't even know what any 723 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 2: of you the processes are. Well. 724 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: I went obviously down a Google rabbit hole in forums 725 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: and stuff, and they're all spoken in acronyms. I was like, 726 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: what the hell are you guys talking about? It was 727 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: like half the alphabet with like symbols, and I'm like, 728 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: I had no it was like a different language. I 729 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: was like, what do you guys? Like AF is like 730 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: aren't flow and like TTC even is trying to conceive 731 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 1: Like I didn't know all that stuff. 732 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 2: I thought you made that up. No, because you have 733 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: been like I'm tt. 734 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: No, it's like a thing and like BFPS your big 735 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: fat positive BfN is your big fat name. When we 736 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: gave like DPOs like day's postopulation, like there's full on 737 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: terminologies that you learn. And yeah, so I feel like 738 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: even on a linguistic landscape level, alone, you know, would 739 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: be really helpful to have more of a guide. So yeah, 740 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: Sarah and the team were just so nurturing and patient 741 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: and like I hadn't even said it out loud to 742 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: many people, let alone let my brain investigate. Actually, Like, 743 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: it's not until you tell a story in order, in 744 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: chronological order, that you think about how you felt at 745 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: each stage. 746 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, you were always from the start. 747 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 2: You always said to me that you wanted to tell 748 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 2: the story. 749 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: It just just was' sure, like wow. 750 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: And when and in the right space and time, And 751 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: your thing was, yeah, you can't just drop a bombshell, 752 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: but you also want to talk about it candidly. You 753 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 2: also want to give yourself time to think about it. 754 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: So it kind of worked out in the most perfect 755 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 2: way the way that starlet opportunity came about for you, I. 756 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: Think, And they were so wonderful because I think I 757 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: also am glad it wasn't the first conversation wasn't on 758 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: this podcast because there was no structure for it, do. 759 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 760 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: Where As Sarah led the interview and knew what questions 761 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: task and it had one herself and was happy to 762 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: share that and was reflecting kind of with me on things, 763 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: and that was enormously supportive and guiding at a time 764 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: where yeah, it was the first time I'd ever put 765 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: it into words, so it was cathartic for me, regardless 766 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: of if it ever got published. And then this new 767 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: level and also then we did a really amazing shoot 768 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: and the whole team were really supportive of the story 769 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: and that aside from that, just like unbelievable professionals who 770 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: were so good at their job. Those photos I was like, 771 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: who is that? Like why does she look so amazing? 772 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: They were wonderful, But then for it to come out 773 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: when we were away also gave the buffer of like, 774 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: it's quite you know, overwhelming, when so I've said, I've 775 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: said maybe once before that I one of the big 776 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: while I'm like so verbal direaring on you right now, 777 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: but one of the biggest things I reflected on a 778 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: lot just before, like you know, the vulnerability hangover when 779 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: you share something for the first time and then you're 780 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: like funck. I shouldn't have done that. One of the 781 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: biggest fears was how self indulgent am I to tell 782 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: this story of a like very early stage miscarriage as 783 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: if anyone even cares? And not that not that it's 784 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: like as if anyone cares, but I was like, who's 785 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: even going to read this? And then the day it 786 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: came out, I would have had a thousand DMS, yeah 787 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: of essays like I'm talking like I've shown you like. 788 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 2: Oh no, I've been like can you respond to this? 789 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: Like doesn't fit in a DM box, so there's like 790 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: multiple boxes. And that to me was just so validating 791 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: that it landed with people who like needed to hear it, 792 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: validating that other people connected by sharing their stories back 793 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: and they trusted me with that, but validating in that 794 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: some of those women were telling me on a DM 795 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: for the first time that they told anybody that's what 796 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: I mean. 797 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: And I feel like, once people know that you've been 798 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 2: through it, that is when you feel not so lonely. 799 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not been through it. It's not the same feeling. 800 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 2: But then, like you just said before, once you said 801 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: it to someone else, they like, oh, that's me too. 802 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 2: But Otherwise it wouldn't have come up in conversation until. 803 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 1: You had initiated it, because. 804 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 2: They'd be like, well, that's not really you know, like 805 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 2: why do I need to bring that up with them? 806 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: Like we can't. 807 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 4: B's not something. 808 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 2: I'd gain anything from discussing this someone that's ever been 809 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 2: through it. Yeah, so now they can at He's probably 810 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 2: a benefit to both of you. But it takes for 811 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: someone time to open the door, yeah, to say I've 812 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 2: been through it. 813 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: And I felt like even as a conversation starter alone, 814 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: I was like, this was such I just suddenly had 815 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: all the fears of like was this not the right 816 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: thing to do? It was just this just a waste 817 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: of everyone's time because like, no one's going to be interested. 818 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: It was like a couple of those messages felt very pivotal, 819 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: without me even knowing the person, were like, this is 820 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: a milestone for you. You've said it out loud or 821 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: written it down out loud for the first time, and 822 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: had women, you know, reflecting on some of theirs were 823 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 1: twenty years ago and they're like I never even told 824 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: like my mom or my sister or my best friend. 825 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: I still haven't, And they were reflecting on how that 826 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: changed their healing, and I just thought like that I 827 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: did not expect that impact in return, and like even selfishly, 828 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: I was like that heals me enormously to know that 829 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: it meant something. But what also was beautiful. Someone asked 830 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: me the other day, if you know, sometimes that invites 831 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: a trauma dump and then you get fatigued by that. 832 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: It actually energized me so much. I was like, the 833 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: more I read, the more I was like, this is 834 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: what I was, but also this is what I wanted 835 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: it to do. Yeah, I wanted it to create this 836 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: sense of reflection and connection and it did and it 837 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: was just beautiful. But it also was perfect that we 838 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: were on another time, so because I could pacete it out, 839 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: there was no expectation of like you. 840 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 2: Know, and because people were asking me wellez, I actually 841 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 2: just like. 842 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 4: Not that I forgot that it came out. I obviously knew. 843 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 2: I shared it and it was very proud, But I 844 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 2: felt like it was like, it feels like a real 845 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: long time ago when it happened, because. 846 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: It was it was like more than two quarters ago. 847 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 2: I feel like I went so as like passively through 848 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 2: the rollercoaster, but not nearly to the extent that you 849 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 2: went to, but like, yeah, you know, it was so 850 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 2: fun for that period being like like oh my god, yeah, 851 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 2: so excited and you like you know, you told people 852 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 2: and and it was all like I scrolled in a 853 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 2: pillow and then obviously. 854 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: I actually now I can show people that video. 855 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 2: People then I just saw people like my own friends. 856 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 2: And then within the week and the week after the 857 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 2: like so how Sarah, I genuinely not that I forgot 858 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 2: that it happened, but I was just like it wasn't 859 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 2: necessarily front of mine because it wasn't news to me, 860 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 2: and I'd be like, oh, like she's good, and then 861 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 2: they're talking about home, like and you know, I'd have 862 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 2: to explain, like you're in a good spot now and 863 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 2: obviously it's come out, but yeah, people that like Charles 864 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 2: Aske and Sarah asked and like that. Yeah, quite people 865 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 2: asked how you're going. I think even Chris asked. 866 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: So it reached a lot of people that you know, 867 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: weren't directly like LinkedIn. 868 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, like people that I happened to know that obviously 869 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 2: it's important for them to hear as well. But I 870 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 2: think it's also not on brand, not that you are 871 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 2: a brand, brand, but it's not you and your values 872 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 2: to only share the highlight. So I don't think people 873 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 2: follow you because you're this highline real And I feel 874 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 2: like that's what people don't like following people for, because 875 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 2: it gets to a point where it's unrealistic how perfect 876 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 2: their life looks. 877 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: Well. That was also another thing that I felt really 878 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: weird about, like kind of I was giving myself the 879 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: echo a little bit, sort of reflecting January to June 880 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: as mostly amazing, which it had huge highlights. We had 881 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: like Morocco, you know, we had all these beautiful things, 882 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: but I was like, in the background, it was shitty, 883 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: Like in the background, it was one of the hardest 884 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: six months of my life. And to not really be 885 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: reflecting that and doing it cryptically like you guys know 886 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,959 Speaker 1: I had a surgery because I kind of wanted to share. Yeah, 887 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: but you weren't ready, but I wasn't ready, And like 888 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: absolutely agree. I had to be in the right space 889 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: to be able to feel the conversation back, like I 890 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,240 Speaker 1: had to have been this far along in distance from 891 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: when it felt really raw to be able to reply 892 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: to everyone's messages and now talk about it really openly. 893 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: But for the like beautiful timing of it being when 894 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: we did still have I think we had like four 895 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: days or five days left before we got back to Melbourne, 896 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: and then it's been another two weeks before I've like 897 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: caught up with a lot of people in person. And 898 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: the beautiful thing also has been now when I see 899 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: people like I went to an amazing event last night, 900 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: it was you guys have heard me talk about UFM 901 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: a million times. Two of my best friends have started 902 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: their own amazing women's workwhere brand that's like Active where 903 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: it feels like Active where Slash pajamas but it's immaculately cut, 904 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: looks like Chanel, Like the designs are so beautiful and 905 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: they've done an amazing job. And they had their first 906 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: styling suite and event last night at the Ritz Carlton. 907 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: It was so fancy and so beautiful and I'm so proud. 908 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: But there was a room of like I think maybe 909 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: forty very high flying women from all different walks of life, 910 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: and I would say half of them came up to me, 911 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,760 Speaker 1: half that I knew, half that I never met before, 912 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: and we're like, I just really want to say thank 913 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: you for what you did for the conversation, and I 914 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: was like, whoa, Like what the fuck? 915 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 4: No, one's clearly talking about oh my. 916 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 1: God, and all of them it was because they were 917 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: like I wish I had read that in when I 918 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: was going through it, I was like, oh my god, 919 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: yeah see. 920 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 4: And the thing is how I was presented. 921 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 2: Was it wasn't like it was a whole reel of you, 922 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 2: like hysterically crying and like being like. 923 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: Speaking of you made me, you said, And she is 924 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: really good. She sends me trends when I need to 925 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: get on them early. She sent me this one that's 926 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: like me when I like lost my pet, when like 927 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: my grandparents died, and it's you smiling a photo of 928 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: you smiling again. And then it's like me when I 929 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: see an old person alone and it's you crying hysterically. 930 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: And I have no photos. You guys know how many 931 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: to photos I take, whether I post them or not, 932 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: I take a photo of everything. I have no photos 933 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: of me crying at all. Ever, you don't even have 934 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: photos of me crying. 935 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 4: Me crying. 936 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: I know you did the trend. 937 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 2: I love that. 938 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 4: I'm like crying, quick take photo, quick send it. 939 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: I know which is But do you know what I 940 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,040 Speaker 1: thought about that, and I was like, it's because I 941 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: don't think about content when I'm crying, because I'm an 942 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: ugly crime, full body cry. I think about anything. 943 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 2: I only have it in text message threads because like 944 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 2: it's when something's like yeah, because I'm like, I'm crying 945 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 2: for your like it was happy tears. It was like 946 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,760 Speaker 2: I'm crying because you're pregnant, like Chris when she told. 947 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 4: Me they're loped. 948 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I sent and shouldn't pick up FaceTime. So 949 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 2: I sent a photo like crying and the I e 950 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 2: my carry my parents' charaoke living room, So I feel 951 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,879 Speaker 2: like that's where And I was like, oh, surely there's 952 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 2: one in our like message thread. But it's not that 953 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 2: there's you being like dead zombie, like yeah, there's just crying. 954 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: But I also think that like the fact that some 955 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: people can still think about documenting that moment is valuable 956 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: because then we get to see that side of them. 957 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: I just am like disappointed in myself that I never 958 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: think you did it in a way. 959 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 2: Where people don't have to to like express it that way. 960 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, or what you'd be like, they can feel how 961 00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 4: whatever emotion. 962 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 2: They want to feel in that moment reading that, so 963 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be associated with this, like with tears. 964 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: Do you know, I don't think I even cried, Like 965 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: I actually think when I'm really grieving, I go quiet. 966 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 4: Yeah you go zombie town. 967 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: I go zombie town and I sleep. I don't go 968 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: Like it's almost like I get so overwhelmed. I have 969 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: no emotions. My brain just yes. Remember we watched that 970 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: video on that movie, the movie, and we were balling 971 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,399 Speaker 1: like that. I was properballing. You've seen like a few 972 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: tears before that movie, but that was like watch clouds. 973 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: It was beautiful, it clouds clouds. 974 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 2: This is that story when goes. 975 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 3: Do you want to watch clouds? 976 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: And I was like like on a hill, like lying on. 977 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 2: First You're like yes, of course, bim, And then I 978 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 2: was like yeah, you're like like so as in. 979 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,399 Speaker 4: Yes, and like she had. 980 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 2: Mine thought that we were gonna want. 981 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,799 Speaker 1: To kill I mean the clouds in the sky well, 982 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: because I thought you were like having one of your. 983 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 2: Precent literally like was like yep, like no questions asked, 984 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 2: and then trying to figure out like logistically. 985 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: In you were like like window didn't. 986 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 2: So like like as in you want to watch like 987 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 2: like clouds and like moving in the sky, and I 988 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, the movie it is. 989 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: It was like twenty five minutes later you said. 990 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 2: Yes, ready to like find the hill and the picnic. 991 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: Blanket and everything. I was like like, as in like 992 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 1: fine shapes in the clouds, what do you mean? 993 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 4: I love that? 994 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,919 Speaker 2: With no questions, no thought, you were just like, yes, 995 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 2: I will watch the fluffs move in the sky. 996 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: I would find that really calm its son. But that 997 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: was also something that happened in Greece which was lovely. 998 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: Is the sunsets there are like nothing else and watching 999 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: like the sky on the close of that first day 1000 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: just together away from everyone was really. 1001 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 5: Symbol It was so symbolic, It was. 1002 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: So cleansing and it was really healing. And the other 1003 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: thing that's been really amazing about that first interview is 1004 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: not only that it kind of like opened the gates 1005 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,360 Speaker 1: for conversations with other people, but I feel like I 1006 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: don't process things. Some people are different, but I don't 1007 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: process things until i've shared them. Like you and I 1008 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: the same. If I can't stomp with you when i'm excited, 1009 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm not excited, I'm like I'm not excited enough until 1010 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: I share it and then someone gets excited with me. 1011 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: It validates a feeling, and then it feels like processed. 1012 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: So with this, I didn't realize i'd done that, but 1013 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,399 Speaker 1: as soon as I spoke about it, I was like, oh, well, 1014 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: and now I realized that I actually feel like this, 1015 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: like until someone asks me, how did you feel in 1016 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: this moment? I haven't thought about that yet. So Sarah 1017 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,359 Speaker 1: asked all these beautiful reflective questions that then opened up 1018 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 1: that weeks later, when the article came out, I was like, 1019 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: I need to do another like chat about this because 1020 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,720 Speaker 1: I've had new revelations. So I had the chance. Laura 1021 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,800 Speaker 1: from Mamma Mia is an incredible writer, and she contacted 1022 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,360 Speaker 1: me to sort of follow up on that interview and 1023 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: the podcast that we did, and she asked this whole 1024 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: other set of questions that would not have even been relevant. 1025 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had answers in the first interview, but 1026 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: in this second one we explored like the other side 1027 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 1: or the other follow on effects of loss and grief, 1028 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: which was not the like physical pain and not the 1029 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: immediacy of loss. But then the flow on effects of 1030 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 1: September was our due date. So in my brain, the 1031 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,360 Speaker 1: year is like January to September. I just have to 1032 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: make it to September and then there's like a new chapter. 1033 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: My identity has to last to September, and then I 1034 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: have new plans. All the plans I had before were 1035 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,720 Speaker 1: kind of erased. Everything was replaced, and then you build 1036 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: up your life around this structure and so replacing that. 1037 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,319 Speaker 1: Like as an a type personality, as someone who would 1038 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: sort of it's very hard for me to let go 1039 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: of goals, but once I've let go of them, I 1040 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: can't pick the mac be fully gone. So I'd let 1041 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: go of like all my independent woman career goals. Not 1042 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,280 Speaker 1: that you have to do that to have a pregnancy, 1043 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: but like suddenly my priorities had dramatically, so I wasn't 1044 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,800 Speaker 1: trying to get travel gigs because you know, I'm not 1045 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: going to be able to do them. So I kind 1046 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 1: of changed pace, and then to re pick up that 1047 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: pace again, it was just like, what, it's twenty twenty three? 1048 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,240 Speaker 1: What is this stupid year that I've got now. 1049 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,239 Speaker 4: A bit of a limbo year? 1050 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: Now it's so limbo, and that's been so challenging. 1051 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 2: Because you remember we chatted about what are your goals 1052 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 2: for the year, and you're like, it just depends on 1053 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 2: this if like if we're pregnant, conditional to if we 1054 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 2: get pregnant, and if we do, then this, then if 1055 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 2: we don't, then this, but then if we're trying, then 1056 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 2: this than this, but then so it was all this 1057 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 2: like even planning when I asked you the start of 1058 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,839 Speaker 2: the year, because we don't normally ask what the goals are, 1059 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 2: but I felt like this year maybe a pivotal in 1060 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 2: a way for you. You were like, no freaking idea. Really, 1061 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 2: I guess goal is to keep trying for this pregnancy, 1062 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,320 Speaker 2: but the variables that come with trying, even just trying, 1063 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 2: not even being pregnant yet, it is totally not that 1064 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 2: it limits your life, but it changes a lot of 1065 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 2: you know, going for jobs or not going for jobs. 1066 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,880 Speaker 2: Actually a strategic plan, it's excluded, like tomorrow and I 1067 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,839 Speaker 2: want to go to Morocco. Yes's a leader process had 1068 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 2: listed that that takes months. 1069 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: And that started. Now like even now that we've started, 1070 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 1: like I got my cycle back when we've started trying again, 1071 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: and now I have a more regular cycle. We're trying 1072 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: more regularly than I was before. Because it's like they've 1073 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: halved the length of time. Even that is like, well 1074 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: if that falls in the like vague ovulation time or 1075 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: I can't be anywhere that nick isn't like it's I 1076 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: really underestimated that you could have this baby project on 1077 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 1: the side and the rest of your life stays completely 1078 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: normal and you can stay focused. But it's like so distracting, 1079 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: And I didn't know. I'm not an easily destractible person. 1080 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 1: Like you've not probably seen me that distracted, Like. 1081 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 2: You've seen me on task. 1082 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you've seen me like have lots of different thoughts. 1083 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: But then like once I knuckle down, I'm like, this 1084 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: is what I'm doing this year. I've been like look 1085 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: because like I can't kind of get I'm not sure 1086 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: like where I am not very clear, which is like fine, 1087 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: it's very natural and it's all part of the process. 1088 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: But it's been interesting to now reflect on that part 1089 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 1: of grief and that part of letting go is you're 1090 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 1: not just letting go of the vision of you as 1091 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,839 Speaker 1: a parent and when that journey starts and the joy 1092 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 1: that you have with your family and the joy you 1093 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: have with your friends. It's also like what is this time? 1094 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 1: But I think one of the biggest things, which I 1095 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 1: feel awful that I've left this to fifty one minutes 1096 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: into the episode, but that's reflective of how it happened 1097 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: in real life too. Was nicks grief. Yeah, and I 1098 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: don't want to speak on his behalf, but just as 1099 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,919 Speaker 1: an observation, it does fall to like not your top 1100 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 1: priority because the woman is dealing with like the physical 1101 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 1: effects first, then her emotional effects, and then you're sort 1102 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 1: of like, wait, are you okay? Like I kind of 1103 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 1: asked him like a month later, and I was like, 1104 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,759 Speaker 1: that's I mean, I didn't like we were going through 1105 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,319 Speaker 1: it together, but that first month is like just me, 1106 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: like in surgery, so you kind of don't. 1107 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 2: And he's obviously very He was very concerned and sad. 1108 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: And sadder than I knew. Probably he really doesn't want 1109 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,720 Speaker 1: to talk about it. He's so supportive of me talking 1110 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: about it, but he gets very uncomfortable when I keep 1111 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: sort of in front of other people, Like he doesn't 1112 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: like to open up the conversation. He's happy to acknowledge it, 1113 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: and it's been interesting him being a bit more open 1114 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 1: about it now that he knows our friends know, but 1115 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,959 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to sit and have a big chat 1116 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:20,319 Speaker 1: about it. 1117 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 2: I've never about it. 1118 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I understand, it's not his grief is triggered 1119 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,240 Speaker 1: by more conversation, rosemind is lessened. Yeah, It's like something 1120 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: that Sarah asked straight away in the interview, like how 1121 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: is Nick? And I was like, Oh, that's terrible that 1122 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 1: you brought that up and I didn't, And I like, 1123 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,959 Speaker 1: obviously we've checked in a lot about it, and once 1124 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: I kind of got my head back on my shoulders, 1125 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: we spoke a lot about how he was processing the loss, 1126 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: but he's like lost his timeline for parenthood as well. 1127 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,440 Speaker 1: So it's interesting. 1128 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. The only other thing that I thought was like, 1129 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,759 Speaker 2: on the back of grief, how it changes future opportunities 1130 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 2: for pregnancy. So like, if you so compregnate again, does 1131 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,839 Speaker 2: that excitement then come with a lot of like skepticism 1132 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 2: or yeah, I feel like what's it called when you're 1133 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 2: kind of. 1134 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,240 Speaker 1: Like superstition or like your conservative and denial? 1135 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know if does announcing it to your friends 1136 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,600 Speaker 2: and family feel the same, because you come it comes 1137 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 2: with a sense of like we might be. 1138 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: Do you know what someone asked me that they were like, 1139 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: do you think this would make you tell friends earlier 1140 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: or later, And I'm not really sure. Yeah, I think 1141 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: my reaction is earlier. The difficulty with this pregnancy for 1142 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 1: us was by the time we even made it to 1143 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,239 Speaker 1: like the first scan, which is six weeks, when you're like, 1144 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,240 Speaker 1: if you're going to tell anyone earlier, you'd wait till six. 1145 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: Most people wait till twelve for the big announcement, but 1146 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,919 Speaker 1: six for family and friends. Maybe before we even got 1147 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,840 Speaker 1: to six, we knew there was like maybe a problem, 1148 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: so we kind of never even told anyone at the 1149 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,560 Speaker 1: six week mark what like we might have. So then 1150 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: some of my closest friends I only told them after 1151 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,719 Speaker 1: the miscarriage because like we'd never got to the first announcement. 1152 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 1: And I only told you because, like you were there, 1153 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: like you were literally with us every day, and you 1154 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,319 Speaker 1: know my behavior, my close day to day behavior better 1155 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: than anyone, Like there was no way I was ever 1156 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: going to hide it from you, and I wanted to 1157 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,560 Speaker 1: celebrate it with you as well. But like if we 1158 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,960 Speaker 1: didn't work together every day, I might have waited a 1159 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:20,760 Speaker 1: little bit longer. 1160 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 4: Because I was that you had. 1161 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,760 Speaker 2: To oh yeah, approached eggs and then. 1162 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,279 Speaker 1: Oh, I knew were obviously going to, but you would 1163 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,880 Speaker 1: have noticed before that, like the way the nature of 1164 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: our life is that you would have been able to tell. 1165 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: And I wanted to celebrate with you. But I think 1166 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,439 Speaker 1: I am prepared that if and when we get pregnant again, 1167 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,240 Speaker 1: we will be like very conservative in emotionally celebrating, I think, 1168 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,719 Speaker 1: And that's sad, but I think it's also natural. And 1169 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 1: my reaction is, well, tell everyone so you get the 1170 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,400 Speaker 1: celebration and the joy no matter what. And I think 1171 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: Nick's reaction is more like, let's wait till like thirty 1172 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: nine weeks, let's wait till the delivery room. 1173 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I did. 1174 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,839 Speaker 2: Feel sad for you for that because I thought, not 1175 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 2: just you, but I'd say most people do the conservative 1176 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 2: emotional celebration after when otherwise you would be like but 1177 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 2: at the same time, you know, it's weird when you 1178 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,239 Speaker 2: like I asked my mom about shoes. Yeah, I had it, 1179 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,279 Speaker 2: but it's like a throw away, like it's like a 1180 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 2: normal Like my godmother was like, yeah, I had three 1181 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,240 Speaker 2: times between every child. 1182 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, like I didn't even know that it's been then. 1183 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,920 Speaker 2: But it's not like they minimize it, but they realized 1184 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,879 Speaker 2: by the time you've had two three kids, that you've 1185 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 2: made enough mother friends that you're like everyone it's normal 1186 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 2: within the. 1187 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 4: Mother top industry. 1188 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,759 Speaker 2: So but then if you're not, though, then like people 1189 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 2: my age, for example, we would be like, oh, they 1190 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 2: so seem so. 1191 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,279 Speaker 4: Fufe blah blah blah. 1192 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,239 Speaker 2: But then when you become a mother, it sounds like 1193 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,880 Speaker 2: most people it's like, oh, yeah, me too, well whatever. 1194 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:59,560 Speaker 1: I definitely don't want to reduce the grief and loss 1195 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,960 Speaker 1: that you do. I don't mean it to be reductive, 1196 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: but I also do kind of want the conversation to 1197 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 1: get to the point where it is a bit of 1198 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 1: a throwaway comment because like it is so common, Like 1199 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: I almost think it would be healthier and easier for 1200 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,000 Speaker 1: people to cope with if they knew at the beginning 1201 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,279 Speaker 1: that like this is almost a right of passage, Like 1202 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: it's not and it shouldn't be treated that way, and 1203 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: it is a huge loss. But if it kind of 1204 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,800 Speaker 1: gets made to seem like the end of the world 1205 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,320 Speaker 1: rather than something that is very surmountable, very common, like 1206 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,479 Speaker 1: the more common something is and then kind of overcome later, 1207 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 1: the less scary it is because you know, you know 1208 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,959 Speaker 1: the results. And I feel like, because often you only 1209 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,799 Speaker 1: get introduced to this whole world after it happens. Then 1210 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,520 Speaker 1: at the start you think it's like literally the apocalypse, 1211 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,359 Speaker 1: and then like a few months later, you're like, it's 1212 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,319 Speaker 1: like a fine, I guess it's fine, but you know, I. 1213 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 2: Guess it's it's a greater fall because you're so high. 1214 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you're. 1215 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,920 Speaker 4: Like cloud nine from being pregnant. 1216 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,440 Speaker 2: So the fall that is really yeah big, And that's 1217 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,680 Speaker 2: why I guess it feels so huge like an apocalypse, 1218 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,919 Speaker 2: which I think will ever change because if you're someone 1219 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 2: that really wants to tread, then it always feel that way. 1220 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,960 Speaker 2: But it would be I would say the healing after 1221 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 2: that might maybe be easier or shorter, or feel less lonely. 1222 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you knew if it was like that, you. 1223 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,919 Speaker 2: Could talk to someone quite quickly and straight away about it, Yeah, 1224 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 2: or not feel like you had to hide the first 1225 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 2: week six weeks of pregnancy, yeah, you know. Then go 1226 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,680 Speaker 2: through that with someone that's beyond your partner. I'd say 1227 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,919 Speaker 2: you speaking to Stella felt more cathartic because obviously I knew, 1228 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 2: but I was like, I like, live your life with 1229 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 2: you it talking to someone else that doesn't know you 1230 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 2: feel as much that you can share a lot more. 1231 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,480 Speaker 4: I guess I don't know objectively. 1232 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 2: I feel like if I'm in it, like i've I 1233 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,000 Speaker 2: knew about it and I was kind of a checking in, 1234 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,120 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel as like an objective experience and you 1235 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 2: can't be like this person doesn't know anything about it, 1236 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 2: so I can like really tell the story. 1237 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,919 Speaker 1: And that also really does like talk therapy is such 1238 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,720 Speaker 1: a thing. Telling someone from the start with no background 1239 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: means you actually have to sort it out how you feel. 1240 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have to articulate it and like think 1241 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 2: of your words. Ye tell the story. 1242 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 4: So yeah, proud of you they've been. 1243 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,800 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Bim. That's really lovely of you. And 1244 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 1: thank you guys all for listening if you've stuck around 1245 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,960 Speaker 1: with us for this long. I just got a conversation, 1246 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,720 Speaker 1: and I just think it was like I was just 1247 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 1: going to share the episode from Stella, like share the 1248 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: audio from that interview here, But I actually have come 1249 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,440 Speaker 1: quite a long way. I wouldn't say a long way, 1250 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,400 Speaker 1: but that interview was the first time I'd ever spoken 1251 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,800 Speaker 1: about it, and like my views and reflections and healing 1252 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,960 Speaker 1: has actually come quite a long way since then. So 1253 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 1: and also I would just I don't know, I just 1254 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 1: felt weird not acknowledging it to the neighborhood. Yeah, I 1255 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 1: feel really good. Like I definitely feel like I have 1256 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,320 Speaker 1: to buckle in when I talk about it, because I 1257 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 1: don't feel like I can just say it without giving 1258 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 1: the entire context, particularly because I hid that context from 1259 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 1: so many people, not like I can pick up from 1260 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,440 Speaker 1: so from April onwards, I'm like, fuck December, yeah, slash 1261 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,480 Speaker 1: last feb to last June to December to Janet. You know, 1262 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,000 Speaker 1: but it definitely feels lovely to even just be like, 1263 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 1: this is not the first time I've talked about it. 1264 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more prepared for what I feel 1265 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,280 Speaker 1: and want to say, And I'm sure there are so 1266 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: many people in the neighborhood who have been through similar 1267 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,240 Speaker 1: who might still go through similar I don't even have 1268 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,000 Speaker 1: an answer. I don't even know what the point is. 1269 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,520 Speaker 1: It's more just like I feel like the more I 1270 00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 1: contribute to the conversation about it, I would feel not irresponsible. 1271 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,720 Speaker 1: But I do think with a platform where you regularly 1272 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,800 Speaker 1: speak to people and they regularly use their time to 1273 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,280 Speaker 1: listen to you, you do kind of have a responsibility 1274 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,400 Speaker 1: to cover things that are important to people, and that's 1275 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 1: what this has felt like. It's probably not the most 1276 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,880 Speaker 1: yayest episode, but you know you. 1277 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 2: Always talk about nays to ya. 1278 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 1: True okay, and I feel really yay, like longest answer 1279 00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 1: to your question ever, the very first question you asked 1280 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,479 Speaker 1: was how are you really good? 1281 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1282 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 1: It has helped you seen that way. Yeah, it's helped, 1283 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,160 Speaker 1: like just talking about it. It just helps. I just 1284 01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,040 Speaker 1: feel normal talking about it now. It doesn't feel like, oh, like, 1285 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,959 Speaker 1: don't mention it. And people at the start, of course, 1286 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,040 Speaker 1: are like, I don't want to tell with that I'm pregnant. Yeah, 1287 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's separate. 1288 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:18,520 Speaker 2: Tell me. 1289 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I don't even think that that's related, 1290 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,760 Speaker 1: Like they're not even the same thing. So I think 1291 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,600 Speaker 1: we're just like really positive and hopeful, and we have 1292 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 1: the house, which is such an exciting life milestone. I 1293 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,720 Speaker 1: haven't even spoken about the house. Oh my god, a 1294 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,640 Speaker 1: really exciting life milestone to kind of get excited about 1295 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: in parallel, you know. So yeah, that's a story, that's 1296 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:44,880 Speaker 1: my story. I also just realize that you've heard all. 1297 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:50,200 Speaker 2: Of that time though, because we actually I we haven't 1298 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,959 Speaker 2: actually because I don't think I ever asked. 1299 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,080 Speaker 4: You, like in depth about the whole experience. I was 1300 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:57,760 Speaker 4: just waiting for you to. 1301 01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,840 Speaker 2: Be ready to talk about it when it went true, 1302 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,880 Speaker 2: not in a way that was like reflective. 1303 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,640 Speaker 4: I've always checked in like how are you? 1304 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe like sad, I'm not sad, but not 1305 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,960 Speaker 2: in a like now what did you think about the 1306 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,200 Speaker 2: situation standpoint? So that's very different. 1307 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,120 Speaker 1: I also do have to say that, like a good 1308 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,640 Speaker 1: month of sort of March to now was in total 1309 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: a type copy mode. Like part of not talking about 1310 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,439 Speaker 1: it was just like I'm a copa like I'm coping. Yeah, 1311 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,800 Speaker 1: and that's not always you, I know, but it's like 1312 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,680 Speaker 1: not amazing you cope for like other people, and I 1313 01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,840 Speaker 1: think I also cope because I think that that's part 1314 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,400 Speaker 1: of my identity. I'm like, I'm a cope. I got this. 1315 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,160 Speaker 1: And then I was like, you know, it's actually okay 1316 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,959 Speaker 1: if you don't like you can be sad. 1317 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've always said that when other people are sad, 1318 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 2: you're like I am good, I am okay. Yeah. 1319 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,439 Speaker 1: Well we were going to finish on a lighter note 1320 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,040 Speaker 1: with some va or that, Yeah, but I kind of 1321 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:53,919 Speaker 1: feel like that would be weird. 1322 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,840 Speaker 2: Well yeah, we can carrying you back up because bring 1323 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,880 Speaker 2: weird like some of them, I've just randomly thought of. 1324 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,080 Speaker 1: Young Australians have never been more lonely. Yet loneliness is 1325 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,920 Speaker 1: rarely discussed and often misunderstood. Season two of the We 1326 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: Are Lonely Podcast is a part of Medibank's ten year 1327 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,360 Speaker 1: commitment to reduce chronic loneliness in Australia. 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We Are Lonely is available wherever 1346 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,680 Speaker 1: you listen to your podcasts, search for we Are Lonely 1347 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 1: and listen today. 1348 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 2: Okay, then I put some on my story today. There's 1349 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,480 Speaker 2: a lot of and there's a lot of do you 1350 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,360 Speaker 2: ever like can you relate? 1351 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,240 Speaker 4: And also like which one this seal or that? 1352 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1353 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 1: Okay? 1354 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 2: Like oh ice cubes? Okay, when you get some ice 1355 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,439 Speaker 2: cubes for you, do you feel the empty ice cubes 1356 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,200 Speaker 2: straight away? Or do you wait for the tray to 1357 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,439 Speaker 2: be empty? Oh? 1358 01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,680 Speaker 1: Like, so if you take three ice cubes out, ye's 1359 01:03:54,720 --> 01:04:01,240 Speaker 1: still like the rest of the whole entire traits for like, honestly, 1360 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,880 Speaker 1: this is the stupidest, most bootiest thing I've ever said. 1361 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,480 Speaker 1: But we have an ice machine now, so like, I 1362 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,120 Speaker 1: don't know what I do? 1363 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:07,600 Speaker 2: What did you do previously? 1364 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:08,440 Speaker 3: Then? No? 1365 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 1: No, my god, I don't remember all I remember in 1366 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,760 Speaker 1: my no no, no, I think we. I think I wait 1367 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,680 Speaker 1: until it's empty, okay, because otherwise, like some of the 1368 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,040 Speaker 1: water spills out of the ones you've refilled onto, and then. 1369 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,520 Speaker 2: That's why you get like really un inconsistent. 1370 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah we yeah colded ice Yeah, colded? 1371 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1372 01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,320 Speaker 5: Cold is what's cold? 1373 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,760 Speaker 2: I hit on my story. 1374 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what do people say? 1375 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:38,240 Speaker 2: And more people said but only it was very close. 1376 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,080 Speaker 2: Fifty four percent said they wait for emptiness and forty 1377 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,920 Speaker 2: six percent says feel as you go loss. Decided to 1378 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,200 Speaker 2: be like, you guys are all idiots. You're meant to 1379 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,880 Speaker 2: get rid of all the rest of the ice and 1380 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,640 Speaker 2: then refill the whole thing's. 1381 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,480 Speaker 1: So wet, rid of it, like melt it down as 1382 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:54,800 Speaker 1: it's like. 1383 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,960 Speaker 2: Just empty the whole I was like, gause, are you cooked? 1384 01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:58,840 Speaker 4: You empty them out? 1385 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 2: And started new stray Are you cool? 1386 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,720 Speaker 1: Like you don't you waste all that ice? 1387 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:04,240 Speaker 3: I know? 1388 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,680 Speaker 2: Anyway, I mean no judgment. 1389 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,120 Speaker 1: However you choose to. 1390 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,840 Speaker 3: Do, it even makes you happy, it made you. 1391 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:14,160 Speaker 1: We suck. 1392 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,040 Speaker 2: On the topic of ice cubes, I only thought about 1393 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,520 Speaker 2: this because I did the other day. If you drop 1394 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,800 Speaker 2: an ice cube, do you like get back or you 1395 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:22,840 Speaker 2: like kick it on. 1396 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I used to kick it under the fridge and 1397 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,640 Speaker 1: then we water damage our floor boards. Have you seen 1398 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,520 Speaker 1: the hole full on hole? So now I pick it 1399 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,280 Speaker 1: up and rinse it and then use it n Yeah, 1400 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,479 Speaker 1: because it then melts off the like dirty layer. 1401 01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,360 Speaker 4: I just throw it in the sink. 1402 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:42,960 Speaker 5: Wasteful. 1403 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:49,120 Speaker 1: It makes me happy, wasteful fast joy. 1404 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,000 Speaker 2: This is like, do you ever do you like? 1405 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:51,240 Speaker 1: So? 1406 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,480 Speaker 2: Do you ever go like the shops get this really 1407 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,640 Speaker 2: good deal? Yes on my clothing and then go online 1408 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,840 Speaker 2: and see just keep validating how that you? 1409 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:02,720 Speaker 1: Who knows you? 1410 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:03,080 Speaker 3: Really? 1411 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:04,400 Speaker 2: Do you do that? 1412 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1413 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,360 Speaker 2: Like I'd be like I got like fifty two dollars 1414 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,080 Speaker 2: and they check everywhere where the think is still like 1415 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,160 Speaker 2: two hundred twenty dollars and like see look look. 1416 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,439 Speaker 1: Look how much money. I say, No, I can't do that. 1417 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,600 Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I do add things to my to do 1418 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:17,960 Speaker 1: list after I've done them, though. 1419 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,080 Speaker 2: Just so I get to take it off. 1420 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, all the time. 1421 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,440 Speaker 2: Do you ever share toothbrushes with your partner? 1422 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:25,360 Speaker 3: Honest? 1423 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,280 Speaker 1: I want to say no because it's gross, but we 1424 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,440 Speaker 1: have definitely accidentally only brought one toothbrush like to a 1425 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,400 Speaker 1: troop before and shared yeah, for. 1426 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,480 Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, but I do it all the time. Gross, 1427 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:41,280 Speaker 2: I said, this is what people also said again very close. 1428 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,360 Speaker 2: Only fifty six percent said no, forty four percent said. 1429 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,560 Speaker 1: Yes, six lying. 1430 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,680 Speaker 2: And then someone said someone was like, that's effing rank, 1431 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,720 Speaker 2: and then someone else it is rank. But then someone 1432 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,720 Speaker 2: else said it's definitely right. 1433 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 4: Obviously, like obviously everyone does it and it. 1434 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,919 Speaker 2: Is rank, but like, come on, but it's also show. 1435 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,440 Speaker 1: It's like lots of things that we do are rank. 1436 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you're going to be to wing the show, 1437 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:10,400 Speaker 2: did we do. 1438 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 1: This year that ye wing in the shower? 1439 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1440 01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,640 Speaker 1: And what did we say? We both win in the shower? 1441 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? But when we did it at the CCA event 1442 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,760 Speaker 2: and then and they were all like no, and then 1443 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,800 Speaker 2: one person was no. One person everyone was like yeah. 1444 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,080 Speaker 2: The one person was like, I have never heard of 1445 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,920 Speaker 2: that in my life. Really my husband because he does. 1446 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,360 Speaker 2: And I said, that's discussing no one does it. But 1447 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,919 Speaker 2: I realized it's all normal than. 1448 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,920 Speaker 1: Also, I love how like if one room of people, 1449 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,280 Speaker 1: so yes, we're like society. 1450 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like in the ocean, come on, if we 1451 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,280 Speaker 3: haven't done that before, if you're lowering yourself down in 1452 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,160 Speaker 3: the shallow end. 1453 01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,000 Speaker 2: Of the ocean, you're definitely doing a wee. 1454 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're like kind of sitting but on the 1455 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 1: sand bank, definitely. Yeah. If you're like looking in really 1456 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:56,200 Speaker 1: weird concentration. We always swim like I swim and we. 1457 01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,480 Speaker 4: No, I can't do that. I gotta like set. 1458 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,960 Speaker 1: You can't concentrate and see I can in any scenario. Yeah, 1459 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,560 Speaker 1: because it's because if you're not doing like a breaststroke, 1460 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,800 Speaker 1: like everyone can tell that you're doing it. 1461 01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:08,600 Speaker 3: Well. 1462 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I stupidly think that me lawering myself down, 1463 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,560 Speaker 2: people think that I'm like just like going slowly into 1464 01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,479 Speaker 2: the col I'm like, oh, I just want to land 1465 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:17,160 Speaker 2: water for a bit. 1466 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,280 Speaker 1: You just walk all the way into the deep so 1467 01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,400 Speaker 1: you're like just sometimes you just got to do it, 1468 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,760 Speaker 1: which is so gross because but. 1469 01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,439 Speaker 4: No longer themselves what Yeah, just like. 1470 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,679 Speaker 1: E okay, so question is your theory that it's fine 1471 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,080 Speaker 1: that you're in other people's way because like the salt 1472 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:38,800 Speaker 1: water cleans it. 1473 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,000 Speaker 2: I don't actually do you know what. I don't think 1474 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,760 Speaker 2: that I'm in other people's wee that'd see. 1475 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,600 Speaker 1: I know that other people, But I think like my 1476 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:50,280 Speaker 1: justification is either everyone today didn't like the people specifically 1477 01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:51,800 Speaker 1: at the beach at the same time as me aren't 1478 01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,599 Speaker 1: gross or the salt water cleans it. 1479 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think mine is an ignorance, is bliss? 1480 01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,920 Speaker 2: I feel grosser swimming pool though, because like the makes 1481 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,360 Speaker 2: me like anytime there's like. 1482 01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,120 Speaker 1: A patch of warm where the sun's been. I'm like 1483 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,760 Speaker 1: some impedia, but I have like fear to the depth 1484 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,040 Speaker 1: of my soul of the fact that some pools or 1485 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,519 Speaker 1: have that have that dark and always thought like every 1486 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,479 Speaker 1: pool might secretly have that. So I've never been pools. 1487 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:19,799 Speaker 4: I fight in pools. 1488 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,080 Speaker 1: You fight everywhere? 1489 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,760 Speaker 2: True? Sorry this? 1490 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah that ye always come back around like do you 1491 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:28,559 Speaker 1: such a five year old? 1492 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:33,400 Speaker 2: Show you a Mandarin skin whites or not? No? 1493 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,599 Speaker 1: You do though, don't you? You mean all the little bits? 1494 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1495 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,120 Speaker 1: No I don't. I just need it? 1496 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:39,720 Speaker 2: Do you spin up? No? 1497 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,000 Speaker 1: Never mind, I was gonna say, you know you swallow 1498 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,920 Speaker 1: them sometimes. Bro, you are when you were little, did 1499 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,679 Speaker 1: you think that like Amandarin would growing your tummy? 1500 01:09:49,800 --> 01:10:04,479 Speaker 2: No? I did, I did, man, not a. I put 1501 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,040 Speaker 2: this on my Instagram and it went wild. So I 1502 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,400 Speaker 2: went to Woolies and they had this like how to 1503 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,280 Speaker 2: spot the right banana exact thing. 1504 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:14,880 Speaker 4: Do you know? 1505 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:19,040 Speaker 1: Koreans have like they sell bananas in the scale of browning, 1506 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,000 Speaker 1: so that like you eat the right one first, but 1507 01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,800 Speaker 1: then it gives you time for the next day, so 1508 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,920 Speaker 1: like it's slowly ripe, so they give you like a 1509 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,400 Speaker 1: green to a brown because they know over the next 1510 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 1: week they'll all ripen at the perfect time. 1511 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:30,599 Speaker 2: How clever. 1512 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,160 Speaker 4: I don't know that's smart. You shouldn't. 1513 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,360 Speaker 2: You should have seen the passion behind that. We can 1514 01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,559 Speaker 2: share the photo because it went it was like there 1515 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,240 Speaker 2: was a like making road blowing up and then there's 1516 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,960 Speaker 2: like five hundred responses or something. But it was like 1517 01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,040 Speaker 2: it's showing a green, a yellow, a spotty one, and 1518 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,600 Speaker 2: like and the super spotty one or something, and it 1519 01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,799 Speaker 2: said that the yellow one, like yellow with like zero 1520 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 2: spots was like perfect to eat, and then the one 1521 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,280 Speaker 2: with like a couple of black spots was like barbecue 1522 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,280 Speaker 2: ready ready to be barbecued? 1523 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,200 Speaker 1: What and barbecue banana exactly. 1524 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,679 Speaker 2: And everyone was like, like, how is that like a recommend, 1525 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,680 Speaker 2: like you know when you have milestones, And yeah, it's 1526 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,120 Speaker 2: like it doesn't go like eat it's bbecue not right yet, 1527 01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,679 Speaker 2: but good for I don't know, like banana chips or something. 1528 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,240 Speaker 2: And then you have the yellow ones ready to eat 1529 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,839 Speaker 2: and the black ones like good. 1530 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,280 Speaker 1: For banana baking or whatever. 1531 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they had one that was barbecue ready 1532 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:40,759 Speaker 2: to be barbecued, and then everyone's and also everyone agreed 1533 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,040 Speaker 2: that the best time to eat a banana was not 1534 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,559 Speaker 2: when they said when they said it was when it 1535 01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,280 Speaker 2: was all just yellow. It's actually when there's a little 1536 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,439 Speaker 2: tiny black spots, oh my god. 1537 01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,920 Speaker 1: Being for me, it's when it's green, not green green, 1538 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:57,799 Speaker 1: but like yeah, yellow. 1539 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:03,280 Speaker 2: I'm like the so that like a couple of spots perfect. 1540 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,200 Speaker 1: People need it to be still firm. 1541 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:07,599 Speaker 4: The firmness is. 1542 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:08,040 Speaker 1: Not a vibe. 1543 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:08,680 Speaker 2: It will be. 1544 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,040 Speaker 1: The mush is not a vibe. 1545 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:11,200 Speaker 4: But no, it's not mush yet. 1546 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:17,040 Speaker 2: It's mushy, mushy you. 1547 01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:24,720 Speaker 3: With like weird tea, you know, arguments when it becomes personal. 1548 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,639 Speaker 5: Just get my eyebrows. 1549 01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:34,599 Speaker 1: Do you eat the kiwi skin? 1550 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,400 Speaker 2: Fruit? Yeah? I mean. 1551 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:48,120 Speaker 1: Fruit skin. I think it's like five on a Friday. 1552 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:48,519 Speaker 2: I was four. 1553 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I did have some more. 1554 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,160 Speaker 4: You're strange because most people actually said that I was Okay. 1555 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: Who is most people though? You mean just the people 1556 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,360 Speaker 1: who saw that story and replies, yeah, okay, it's not 1557 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:00,880 Speaker 1: all people. 1558 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,400 Speaker 2: You were on your story and you tell me, okay, 1559 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,320 Speaker 2: well I will. 1560 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,200 Speaker 5: Your teeth don't touch. 1561 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,400 Speaker 2: Okay, we need like a smile to sponsor the show. 1562 01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:13,040 Speaker 3: Mother. 1563 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,240 Speaker 2: That was your defense. 1564 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,040 Speaker 1: Because you and your weird you know, because I thought 1565 01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,000 Speaker 1: you need soft bananas because you don't have the same abilities. 1566 01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,639 Speaker 2: People don't know that. 1567 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:27,920 Speaker 4: I just thought you had to. 1568 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:34,240 Speaker 3: Wait. 1569 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,559 Speaker 1: Wait Also, I'm sorry, but can we do circle back 1570 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,400 Speaker 1: to the fact that some people said that they put 1571 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,600 Speaker 1: the cream on their got Jammer cream before. 1572 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:47,240 Speaker 5: The strangest person honestly. 1573 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,600 Speaker 1: Just teeth, like, don't touch. 1574 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,519 Speaker 2: Okay, a couple of a couple of last ones? Do 1575 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,040 Speaker 2: you count up or do you count down? 1576 01:13:59,040 --> 01:13:59,920 Speaker 1: In what context? 1577 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,240 Speaker 4: Well, you're saying, oh, like I'm going to count I 1578 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:03,600 Speaker 4: don't know. 1579 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,320 Speaker 1: It's like how in Friends, Joey says that is like 1580 01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,840 Speaker 1: number one and Ross is like, no, it's ten. And 1581 01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,680 Speaker 1: He's like, what is ten the best? And he's like, 1582 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,200 Speaker 1: because ten is the highest? 1583 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't know in what context, but you know, 1584 01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,799 Speaker 2: people go like, oh five for three to one or one. 1585 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,320 Speaker 1: Stuff from one five because it starts with one. That's why. 1586 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Because numbers start from one all right. 1587 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,360 Speaker 2: By the rest of the world is wrong, rock, pap 1588 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,479 Speaker 2: papers rock rock. Yeah. People says paper scissors rocks wrong. 1589 01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,280 Speaker 2: No judgment makes you happy? 1590 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:38,839 Speaker 4: I put that up because. 1591 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:39,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. 1592 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Who says papers is as wrong? 1593 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,800 Speaker 2: A lot of people really yeah, And then some people go, 1594 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,160 Speaker 2: we're really judging. But do you also go paper sis 1595 01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,160 Speaker 2: as rock or do you paper sies's rock? Like six shake? 1596 01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Who does that? I know people do it with the syllables. 1597 01:14:54,280 --> 01:15:06,800 Speaker 1: There's three person they do whatever makes you happy. You wait, 1598 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:08,080 Speaker 1: that's too many. 1599 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,880 Speaker 2: Rock paper scissors, okay, pay no, But it's the people 1600 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,240 Speaker 2: that do papers rock that go paper sies. 1601 01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:15,479 Speaker 1: Okay, that makes more. 1602 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,360 Speaker 2: That makes more because they're weirdos to start with. 1603 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,160 Speaker 1: They're already backwards things. That was a really funny meme 1604 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,160 Speaker 1: the other day of a guy who was going rock paper, yeah, 1605 01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,679 Speaker 1: rock paper scissors to like a hand activated hand paper 1606 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:28,280 Speaker 1: towel thing. 1607 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,040 Speaker 2: To wrong and then to pay but comes down and down. 1608 01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:32,920 Speaker 2: That's good. 1609 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,800 Speaker 4: Did you know this is a random now did you 1610 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,360 Speaker 4: know that? 1611 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:43,840 Speaker 2: I'm just putting all. 1612 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:48,879 Speaker 3: So ship. 1613 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,479 Speaker 2: Remember when the segment became confessional. 1614 01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,760 Speaker 1: And then it was like would you rather and you're like, 1615 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:56,120 Speaker 1: that's not. 1616 01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,920 Speaker 2: Okay, it's the last one. I promised. It's not a 1617 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,840 Speaker 2: professional it's just so did you know, fun fast fun? 1618 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,639 Speaker 2: You know how the joke is, why did the chicken 1619 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,880 Speaker 2: cross the road and to get to the other side? 1620 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,879 Speaker 2: I was like last week years old when I realized 1621 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:13,960 Speaker 2: the other side. 1622 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,719 Speaker 4: Is like heaven. 1623 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:17,080 Speaker 1: What do you mean. 1624 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,880 Speaker 2: The chicken to get Why did you go to get 1625 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:22,679 Speaker 2: to the other side? 1626 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:23,960 Speaker 4: The other side on the out side of the road. 1627 01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:25,840 Speaker 2: The other side is because it dies and it goes 1628 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:26,320 Speaker 2: to heaven. 1629 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,599 Speaker 4: No, really, well that's what TikTok said. 1630 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't believe that, you know, you know, you know 1631 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,879 Speaker 1: the end of like proper podcasts, how they're like editorial 1632 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,160 Speaker 1: by blood by blah, fact checking by blood, Like you 1633 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:46,559 Speaker 1: don't have one. 1634 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:48,360 Speaker 2: Guy. 1635 01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,719 Speaker 1: We're hiring for an intern unpaid fact. 1636 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:57,519 Speaker 2: Checker across the road. 1637 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,040 Speaker 4: Answer me, okay, oh. 1638 01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,479 Speaker 2: It's not lie. 1639 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:10,200 Speaker 5: Thank god you looked at her. 1640 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,840 Speaker 2: Because people would go around sharing like this I heard hand. 1641 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,080 Speaker 2: I already do not believe everything you see on TikTok. 1642 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,080 Speaker 1: What was it that was people saying on TikTok? I 1643 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:21,640 Speaker 1: know what's the answer though, Oh, it just says that 1644 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,400 Speaker 1: it's an anti joke, like for them to actually walk 1645 01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,360 Speaker 1: across the road. Yeah, that is so even more stupid. 1646 01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,960 Speaker 4: I know it says to get to the other side. 1647 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,360 Speaker 2: Is are commonly seen as an example of anti humor, 1648 01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,880 Speaker 2: and that the curious setup of the joke leads a 1649 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,240 Speaker 2: listener to expect a traditional punchline, but they're instead given 1650 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,840 Speaker 2: a simple salmon of fact. The joke has become iconic 1651 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,120 Speaker 2: as exemplary generic joke to which most people know the answer, 1652 01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,320 Speaker 2: and has been repeated and changed numerous times with the 1653 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:47,160 Speaker 2: course of history. 1654 01:17:48,840 --> 01:18:06,479 Speaker 5: Wow, for two months to tell you I didn't infect 1655 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:07,719 Speaker 5: how many people? 1656 01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,680 Speaker 1: How many people have you told that? In between then 1657 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:11,000 Speaker 1: and now? 1658 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,479 Speaker 4: People, I've passed on. 1659 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,840 Speaker 1: So many facts that aren't true that I believe my 1660 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,920 Speaker 1: whole life, Like genuinely have stopped people swimming after they 1661 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,160 Speaker 1: eat because I'm like, you have to wait half an 1662 01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,840 Speaker 1: hour we die, Like I've told them that, Oh well, 1663 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,880 Speaker 1: thanks BIM for holding space for this episode, and thank 1664 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,759 Speaker 1: you all for listening, and then like, following our abrupt 1665 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,800 Speaker 1: tone change, like for the last half an hour, we 1666 01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,559 Speaker 1: got range. We will be back in a fortnight because 1667 01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,360 Speaker 1: we will have another guest. I'm so excited for this guest. 1668 01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:41,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, very good one. 1669 01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:43,880 Speaker 1: So that will have come out. The one that you're 1670 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,320 Speaker 1: excited about will have already come out, like tomorrow in 1671 01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:47,920 Speaker 1: our time. 1672 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,320 Speaker 4: The next one is can you whisper? 1673 01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:50,479 Speaker 3: You know that? 1674 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,639 Speaker 1: The one I'm making you edit the videos for. Oh yeah, 1675 01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,640 Speaker 1: that comes out tomorrow in our time, last week for 1676 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,479 Speaker 1: everyone who's listening. Oh my god, it's so weird. Inception. 1677 01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,000 Speaker 1: And then our next guest after this episode being in 1678 01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,799 Speaker 1: your Ears is a guest I have also recorded already 1679 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,200 Speaker 1: who is fascinating. Who I don't even know. I have 1680 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,080 Speaker 1: told you. It's a neighborhood community. 1681 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:12,200 Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yes, yeah. 1682 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,840 Speaker 1: This is another one of those incredible guests who I 1683 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,439 Speaker 1: met through the neighborhood. I love those stories. They're so 1684 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:23,240 Speaker 1: lovely and I just need to like shut up. I 1685 01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,760 Speaker 1: just like rambling now, but really excited about this guest. 1686 01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,599 Speaker 1: You guys, you'll hear all about it next time. 1687 01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:29,679 Speaker 4: She continue to talk. 1688 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:31,599 Speaker 1: Okay, okay. 1689 01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:32,559 Speaker 2: Bye By