1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,624 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,664 --> 00:00:29,584 Speaker 1: to the Spill, your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,664 --> 00:00:32,664 Speaker 1: Brodnick and I'm embam and coming up on the show today, 7 00:00:32,904 --> 00:00:36,464 Speaker 1: Miley Cyrus has given a very interesting new interview talking 8 00:00:36,464 --> 00:00:39,464 Speaker 1: about some past controversies in her family. But there is 9 00:00:39,504 --> 00:00:41,744 Speaker 1: one big controversy she will never talk about. So we're 10 00:00:41,744 --> 00:00:43,264 Speaker 1: gonna get into that in a whole lot of backstory 11 00:00:43,304 --> 00:00:45,504 Speaker 1: because there's so much to There's so much to say. 12 00:00:45,544 --> 00:00:48,104 Speaker 1: Emma's been waiting for days for this podcast everyone, so 13 00:00:48,264 --> 00:00:50,784 Speaker 1: just get pumped for that. But first, I haven't even 14 00:00:50,784 --> 00:00:52,144 Speaker 1: looked at the top of our script to see what 15 00:00:52,184 --> 00:00:53,944 Speaker 1: you want to talk about here, but I'm assuming it's 16 00:00:53,944 --> 00:00:54,544 Speaker 1: something a bit weirk. 17 00:00:54,584 --> 00:00:57,304 Speaker 3: Okay, to take a seat, because I've got something seated. 18 00:00:57,344 --> 00:00:59,624 Speaker 3: I've got some breaking news that no one else has 19 00:00:59,664 --> 00:01:00,824 Speaker 3: mentioned and I'm quite upset about. 20 00:01:00,864 --> 00:01:01,064 Speaker 1: Wow. 21 00:01:01,104 --> 00:01:03,464 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm using the space to mention it. And it 22 00:01:03,584 --> 00:01:06,904 Speaker 3: is the fuck boyification of Robert Owen. 23 00:01:07,664 --> 00:01:11,704 Speaker 1: Okay, the fuck boification. If I could pick any celebrity 24 00:01:11,784 --> 00:01:14,304 Speaker 1: name that was coming next, it wouldn't have been Robert Irwin. 25 00:01:14,744 --> 00:01:15,424 Speaker 1: Please explain. 26 00:01:15,544 --> 00:01:17,544 Speaker 3: He's doing more for this planet than we realized. 27 00:01:18,584 --> 00:01:21,024 Speaker 1: It's a real wildlife. Worried had many cents of the 28 00:01:21,024 --> 00:01:22,424 Speaker 1: word I don't know where this story is going. 29 00:01:22,504 --> 00:01:25,504 Speaker 3: So before you get your arms up with the word 30 00:01:25,504 --> 00:01:28,664 Speaker 3: fuck boification, I don't mean, like, please explain what that means. 31 00:01:28,664 --> 00:01:31,464 Speaker 3: I don't mean actual fuck boys, like we've all dated them. 32 00:01:31,824 --> 00:01:34,504 Speaker 3: We kind of liked it, then we didn't. It's not 33 00:01:34,544 --> 00:01:36,464 Speaker 3: that tricky. It's not that kind of fuck boy. I 34 00:01:36,504 --> 00:01:38,824 Speaker 3: mean like the esthetic of the fuck boy. 35 00:01:38,904 --> 00:01:41,184 Speaker 1: Oh so you think he looks like a fuck boy? 36 00:01:41,344 --> 00:01:43,824 Speaker 3: No, okay, that sounds bad, But well you're digging your 37 00:01:43,864 --> 00:01:47,144 Speaker 3: own grave here. I'm just wanted a really quirky, kind 38 00:01:47,144 --> 00:01:50,704 Speaker 3: of scandalous term to put towards his name. So what 39 00:01:50,784 --> 00:01:53,024 Speaker 3: I'm talking about is a photo shoot he recently did 40 00:01:53,144 --> 00:01:57,184 Speaker 3: with Stellar magazine. The Khaki was out of there here and. 41 00:01:57,104 --> 00:02:05,624 Speaker 1: I am shooting for the cover of Stella. 42 00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:06,624 Speaker 3: And you know what came in. A little low V 43 00:02:06,824 --> 00:02:12,584 Speaker 3: neck moron shirt, a little highwaysted pants, a little oversized 44 00:02:12,904 --> 00:02:16,384 Speaker 3: coat and some poses that have changed my life. 45 00:02:16,464 --> 00:02:20,064 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, really, he looks so good. Wait, how 46 00:02:20,064 --> 00:02:22,104 Speaker 1: old is this kid? How legal is this conversation? 47 00:02:22,464 --> 00:02:23,904 Speaker 3: I think he's twenty two. 48 00:02:24,904 --> 00:02:26,264 Speaker 1: Oh you don't sound sure. 49 00:02:26,384 --> 00:02:28,264 Speaker 3: He's just termed twenty one. OK, so we're allowed to 50 00:02:28,304 --> 00:02:28,944 Speaker 3: have this conversation. 51 00:02:28,984 --> 00:02:29,624 Speaker 1: I mean you can. 52 00:02:29,944 --> 00:02:30,984 Speaker 3: I'm having this conversation. 53 00:02:31,384 --> 00:02:33,624 Speaker 1: I can't talk about a boy men who's twenty one 54 00:02:33,944 --> 00:02:34,584 Speaker 1: being sexy. 55 00:02:35,784 --> 00:02:39,024 Speaker 3: He looks really good. He's really enjoying himself. I feel 56 00:02:39,024 --> 00:02:41,344 Speaker 3: like he's going for like a whole new aesthetic. We 57 00:02:41,504 --> 00:02:44,784 Speaker 3: kind of saw it personally at the Mission Impossible premiere. 58 00:02:44,864 --> 00:02:45,864 Speaker 3: He wore the tucks. 59 00:02:46,224 --> 00:02:48,064 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we were next to him on the car. 60 00:02:48,144 --> 00:02:50,024 Speaker 3: But why does he look like good? Oh because he's 61 00:02:50,064 --> 00:02:52,824 Speaker 3: not wearing khky. Yeah, he's wearing a tux. And then 62 00:02:52,864 --> 00:02:55,584 Speaker 3: we saw it again when the social girls that mumma 63 00:02:55,664 --> 00:02:57,064 Speaker 3: interviewed him at the TikTok. 64 00:02:57,784 --> 00:02:59,704 Speaker 1: They were getting all quite swoony over here. 65 00:02:59,824 --> 00:03:02,424 Speaker 3: He liked it because he shared that interview to his 66 00:03:02,504 --> 00:03:03,664 Speaker 3: Instagram story. 67 00:03:03,744 --> 00:03:04,664 Speaker 1: Yeah that's quite cute. 68 00:03:04,704 --> 00:03:06,864 Speaker 3: He was into it. And now he's doing this Stellar 69 00:03:06,944 --> 00:03:09,344 Speaker 3: magazine shoot, so he knows what he's doing. And you 70 00:03:09,384 --> 00:03:11,904 Speaker 3: know what, this is like probably the most he's ever 71 00:03:11,984 --> 00:03:15,504 Speaker 3: done in conservation and activism, because when I saw those photos, 72 00:03:15,504 --> 00:03:16,864 Speaker 3: I was like, hell, yeah, save the planet. 73 00:03:16,904 --> 00:03:20,944 Speaker 1: He's just conserving my feelings. 74 00:03:19,424 --> 00:03:21,744 Speaker 3: Say Robert Irwin, we need to get this done. 75 00:03:21,984 --> 00:03:25,904 Speaker 1: And he's single now, maybe he's quite a publication led niece. Yes, see, 76 00:03:25,944 --> 00:03:27,664 Speaker 1: quite a public relationship. And they were on a lot 77 00:03:27,704 --> 00:03:28,624 Speaker 1: of red carpets together. 78 00:03:28,744 --> 00:03:30,744 Speaker 3: They even did the whole statement of breakup. 79 00:03:30,864 --> 00:03:33,184 Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess because people are so invested in their relationship. 80 00:03:33,544 --> 00:03:36,464 Speaker 3: I did not have the mental capabilities when I was 81 00:03:36,504 --> 00:03:37,904 Speaker 3: twenty to be doing something like that. 82 00:03:38,584 --> 00:03:40,304 Speaker 1: Well, I guess because you know, they were on red 83 00:03:40,304 --> 00:03:42,504 Speaker 1: carpets together, they were doing interviews together and stuff, so 84 00:03:42,544 --> 00:03:44,584 Speaker 1: they were a public facing couple, so they had to 85 00:03:44,584 --> 00:03:47,104 Speaker 1: announce their separation. But yeah, he's really kind of stepped 86 00:03:47,184 --> 00:03:49,224 Speaker 1: up into the spotlight. I guess because he's hosting I'm 87 00:03:49,224 --> 00:03:51,104 Speaker 1: a Celeb, and he's been doing a lot of different interviews. 88 00:03:51,104 --> 00:03:53,344 Speaker 1: He loves loves the red carpet. That boy, every time 89 00:03:53,384 --> 00:03:55,144 Speaker 1: we got a red carpet, he's there in a suit, 90 00:03:55,144 --> 00:03:55,864 Speaker 1: as you pointed. 91 00:03:55,744 --> 00:03:58,184 Speaker 3: Us, smiling and having a great time. Did you see 92 00:03:58,184 --> 00:04:02,384 Speaker 3: that video of them revealing the wax figure of Steve Erwin. Yeah, 93 00:04:02,424 --> 00:04:04,864 Speaker 3: and he got like really emotional of course, got a 94 00:04:04,944 --> 00:04:05,464 Speaker 3: heart of goal. 95 00:04:05,584 --> 00:04:08,184 Speaker 1: He's just got like all the righter you're bugs, you're 96 00:04:08,304 --> 00:04:12,504 Speaker 1: like in love with Robert Irwin. Okay, is this your 97 00:04:12,584 --> 00:04:14,664 Speaker 1: Is this podcast just between us? Is this podcast your 98 00:04:14,664 --> 00:04:16,384 Speaker 1: way of getting him to notice you? 99 00:04:16,584 --> 00:04:17,624 Speaker 3: Do you think he listens? 100 00:04:17,784 --> 00:04:19,064 Speaker 1: No? I don't. I absolutely don't think. 101 00:04:19,184 --> 00:04:21,344 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, if anyone has connections to Robert Ow and 102 00:04:21,384 --> 00:04:23,624 Speaker 3: if you could just like slyly send him this episode, 103 00:04:23,904 --> 00:04:26,184 Speaker 3: make sure you tell him to skip this part where 104 00:04:26,184 --> 00:04:28,464 Speaker 3: I'm giving you instructions and just let him. 105 00:04:28,384 --> 00:04:30,224 Speaker 1: And just pick up at the part we sound smart. Yeah, 106 00:04:30,224 --> 00:04:31,904 Speaker 1: you might not be the episode for him. We might 107 00:04:31,904 --> 00:04:34,504 Speaker 1: send him another Let's steal it together a portfolio and 108 00:04:34,544 --> 00:04:36,504 Speaker 1: maybe I'm going to make this my life's mission. I 109 00:04:36,544 --> 00:04:38,824 Speaker 1: do need a project now that I've redecorated my living room, 110 00:04:39,024 --> 00:04:41,024 Speaker 1: something to focus my time on. Maybe I'm going to 111 00:04:41,104 --> 00:04:42,424 Speaker 1: get you and Robert Erwin married. 112 00:04:42,544 --> 00:04:46,224 Speaker 3: Okay, age difference is a bit problematic. I think if 113 00:04:46,264 --> 00:04:48,984 Speaker 3: they'd call me the Australian Leonardo DiCaprio. 114 00:04:49,984 --> 00:04:53,424 Speaker 1: I think you can own that. What DiCaprio does, he 115 00:04:53,544 --> 00:04:55,304 Speaker 1: just loves it. I'll get you and Robert on a 116 00:04:55,384 --> 00:04:58,704 Speaker 1: yacht together all the time you'll have Okay, al right, 117 00:04:58,824 --> 00:05:00,624 Speaker 1: I love story because twenty. 118 00:05:00,224 --> 00:05:05,544 Speaker 3: Five here we come. So Miley Cyrus has recently put 119 00:05:05,784 --> 00:05:09,184 Speaker 3: a rumor to rest. Now. This rumor started in two 120 00:05:09,224 --> 00:05:12,384 Speaker 3: thousand and nine when she was around seventeen, and I 121 00:05:12,384 --> 00:05:15,384 Speaker 3: feel like when I describe it, you'll all clearly remember it. 122 00:05:15,384 --> 00:05:18,904 Speaker 3: It was during the Teen Choice Awards. Her song Party 123 00:05:18,944 --> 00:05:20,864 Speaker 3: in the USA was just Rae. 124 00:05:20,744 --> 00:05:25,304 Speaker 1: Song Bang absolutely banger, holds up today hard at every wedding. 125 00:05:25,824 --> 00:05:27,544 Speaker 3: We're not even from the USA and I want to 126 00:05:27,584 --> 00:05:27,824 Speaker 3: be there. 127 00:05:27,904 --> 00:05:28,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 128 00:05:29,224 --> 00:05:32,664 Speaker 3: So she was performing that song. It was a great performance. 129 00:05:32,704 --> 00:05:34,544 Speaker 3: I thought it was amazing. I think I was around 130 00:05:34,544 --> 00:05:35,704 Speaker 3: like twelve thirteen at time. 131 00:05:35,784 --> 00:05:37,824 Speaker 1: I was like, you were really in the Miley Cyrus. 132 00:05:37,864 --> 00:05:40,944 Speaker 1: I was studying in the USA every day. And in 133 00:05:40,984 --> 00:05:43,704 Speaker 1: the performance you see her kind of like standing on 134 00:05:43,744 --> 00:05:47,384 Speaker 1: this little ice cream truck that's being wheeled around on stage. 135 00:05:47,624 --> 00:05:49,824 Speaker 1: Because she's been wheeled around, she's holding onto a pole. Yeah. 136 00:05:49,824 --> 00:05:52,064 Speaker 1: It's very cute, very Disney, very so, very kind of 137 00:05:52,104 --> 00:05:53,464 Speaker 1: pop story, which was very Hanam. 138 00:05:54,824 --> 00:05:57,104 Speaker 3: It was a very Hannah Montana performance. She had like 139 00:05:57,144 --> 00:06:01,104 Speaker 3: a really long, curly brown hair, little tiny kittenheells like 140 00:06:01,224 --> 00:06:04,744 Speaker 3: just living her best Life. The media, however, took that 141 00:06:04,784 --> 00:06:08,264 Speaker 3: in a very different way because soon after that performance, 142 00:06:08,344 --> 00:06:11,144 Speaker 3: after the Teen Choice Awards, we all just saw these 143 00:06:11,184 --> 00:06:16,104 Speaker 3: headlines of seventeen year old Miley Cyrus pole dancing at 144 00:06:16,104 --> 00:06:20,024 Speaker 3: the Teen Choice Awards. It was the second time that 145 00:06:20,104 --> 00:06:24,264 Speaker 3: she has been that heavily criticized in the media while 146 00:06:24,304 --> 00:06:26,944 Speaker 3: she was still in that Disney kind of esque phase 147 00:06:27,024 --> 00:06:30,024 Speaker 3: of her life. And I think after that, like years 148 00:06:30,024 --> 00:06:31,944 Speaker 3: after that is where we saw the build up of 149 00:06:32,704 --> 00:06:35,344 Speaker 3: bangers and then her like going through the breakup with 150 00:06:35,344 --> 00:06:39,304 Speaker 3: Williams Hem's word very publicly until she's here now, which 151 00:06:39,344 --> 00:06:41,904 Speaker 3: is where she talked about this instance for an in 152 00:06:41,944 --> 00:06:45,104 Speaker 3: conversation with her sister Brandy for Spotify. This is what 153 00:06:45,144 --> 00:06:47,464 Speaker 3: they said at the Teen Choice Awards in two thousand 154 00:06:47,464 --> 00:06:47,904 Speaker 3: and nine. 155 00:06:48,424 --> 00:06:51,864 Speaker 2: Sparked quite the large controversy because there was a poll involved, 156 00:06:51,904 --> 00:06:55,184 Speaker 2: and you were an ice cream truck with a poll. 157 00:06:55,544 --> 00:06:57,184 Speaker 2: How did that make you feel having that big of 158 00:06:57,184 --> 00:06:57,904 Speaker 2: a reaction to. 159 00:06:57,864 --> 00:06:58,584 Speaker 1: Something that you did. 160 00:06:58,704 --> 00:07:00,344 Speaker 2: This is going to be no surprise to you. Do 161 00:07:00,344 --> 00:07:01,384 Speaker 2: you know whose idea. 162 00:07:01,144 --> 00:07:02,184 Speaker 1: That washesh Cyrus? 163 00:07:02,264 --> 00:07:05,104 Speaker 2: Yep, that was my mom's idea. So she always lets 164 00:07:05,144 --> 00:07:08,024 Speaker 2: me take the blame when I got in trouble the 165 00:07:08,024 --> 00:07:09,704 Speaker 2: next day, you know who was nowhere to be found 166 00:07:10,104 --> 00:07:13,544 Speaker 2: to Cyrus. But the thing that I remember most about 167 00:07:13,544 --> 00:07:16,224 Speaker 2: that performance was it was the first time I ever 168 00:07:16,344 --> 00:07:20,264 Speaker 2: wore real diamond jewelry on stage. So you guys remember 169 00:07:20,264 --> 00:07:23,184 Speaker 2: a little old ice cream truck. I remember the diamond. 170 00:07:23,664 --> 00:07:26,064 Speaker 3: I find it so interesting this interview because it seems 171 00:07:26,064 --> 00:07:29,264 Speaker 3: like something that's so blase that they can both just 172 00:07:29,424 --> 00:07:32,944 Speaker 3: laugh at now. But I remember so specifically in that 173 00:07:33,024 --> 00:07:36,104 Speaker 3: moment in time, and how seriously the world took that. 174 00:07:36,344 --> 00:07:38,104 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because it was parents saying like, we don't 175 00:07:38,144 --> 00:07:39,864 Speaker 1: want our kids to watch annam On Tanner anymore, We 176 00:07:39,904 --> 00:07:42,264 Speaker 1: don't want our kids to listen to Miley Cyrus's music. 177 00:07:42,504 --> 00:07:44,904 Speaker 1: There were complaints and just say so, she was holding on. 178 00:07:44,984 --> 00:07:47,104 Speaker 1: She did dance a little bit holding them. She wasn't 179 00:07:47,104 --> 00:07:49,744 Speaker 1: doing a full on like hustlers polder and anything like that, 180 00:07:49,784 --> 00:07:52,104 Speaker 1: but she was definitely like swinging around the pole a 181 00:07:52,144 --> 00:07:55,224 Speaker 1: little bit while she was singing. And that's what people 182 00:07:55,224 --> 00:07:56,544 Speaker 1: were really upset about it. And I just remember the 183 00:07:56,584 --> 00:07:58,384 Speaker 1: headlines the next day, like because back then it was 184 00:07:58,384 --> 00:08:00,344 Speaker 1: also on the front of like newspapers and stuff. It 185 00:08:00,424 --> 00:08:04,024 Speaker 1: was like Miley Cyrus scandalous. Yeah, on stage performance. It 186 00:08:04,064 --> 00:08:06,584 Speaker 1: was on the splash of every news outlet. People were 187 00:08:06,584 --> 00:08:08,824 Speaker 1: writing think pieces about it like it was a big deal. 188 00:08:08,704 --> 00:08:10,384 Speaker 3: Because it was like two things about it, right. It 189 00:08:10,464 --> 00:08:12,864 Speaker 3: was like she was still very much in that Disney phase, 190 00:08:13,024 --> 00:08:16,224 Speaker 3: like she was still filming Hannah Montana. The song was massive. 191 00:08:16,304 --> 00:08:18,904 Speaker 3: She was a teenager plus was at the Teen Choice Awards, 192 00:08:19,104 --> 00:08:22,224 Speaker 3: so the audience were mainly children, the whole sea of children. Yeah, 193 00:08:22,264 --> 00:08:25,024 Speaker 3: And she has actually talked about this before in the 194 00:08:25,064 --> 00:08:28,304 Speaker 3: past in a TikTok video where she explained that because 195 00:08:28,344 --> 00:08:31,464 Speaker 3: she was on the cart that was moving, they needed 196 00:08:31,504 --> 00:08:33,664 Speaker 3: a poll there so she could stabilize herself. She was 197 00:08:33,664 --> 00:08:35,984 Speaker 3: wearing heels, and she talked about how there was an 198 00:08:35,984 --> 00:08:39,464 Speaker 3: old magazine cover story that was titled Ismiley turning into 199 00:08:39,544 --> 00:08:42,664 Speaker 3: the next Britney Spears and she replied hopefully if God 200 00:08:42,784 --> 00:08:43,824 Speaker 3: is good, well, yeah. 201 00:08:43,704 --> 00:08:45,864 Speaker 1: Of course, of course she would have been the next Brittany. 202 00:08:45,864 --> 00:08:47,384 Speaker 3: You remember that would have been the same time where 203 00:08:47,424 --> 00:08:49,784 Speaker 3: everyone was hating on Britney as well, exactly like, oh, 204 00:08:49,904 --> 00:08:50,984 Speaker 3: these women, but she's. 205 00:08:50,824 --> 00:08:53,064 Speaker 1: Probably seeing just like her all her like platinum selling 206 00:08:53,104 --> 00:08:55,784 Speaker 1: albums and this career that's been amazing and she's probably, yeah, 207 00:08:55,784 --> 00:08:56,784 Speaker 1: I'd love to be Britney Spears. 208 00:08:57,224 --> 00:08:59,264 Speaker 3: And it's weird that it's funny, Like it's funny now 209 00:08:59,304 --> 00:09:03,984 Speaker 3: looking back. But I found it quite interesting how it 210 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:08,904 Speaker 3: was Tish Cyrus that suggested she should do that, because 211 00:09:08,904 --> 00:09:11,024 Speaker 3: she said that Tish Cyrus was a who was like, 212 00:09:11,464 --> 00:09:13,344 Speaker 3: it'll be cool if like the whole setting of this 213 00:09:13,424 --> 00:09:15,784 Speaker 3: performance is in the trailer park because that's where we're from, 214 00:09:15,824 --> 00:09:18,664 Speaker 3: just to like show a home, and that was the 215 00:09:18,664 --> 00:09:21,064 Speaker 3: whole thing it happened. And then the fact that Tish 216 00:09:21,184 --> 00:09:24,384 Speaker 3: didn't say anything when this whole thing blew up. 217 00:09:24,744 --> 00:09:26,184 Speaker 1: I mean, but also what was she going to say, 218 00:09:26,304 --> 00:09:28,144 Speaker 1: come out with a statement and say I actually told 219 00:09:28,144 --> 00:09:29,784 Speaker 1: my daughter to hold the pole, and then all the 220 00:09:29,864 --> 00:09:32,224 Speaker 1: parents would have been like, well, you're worst. That's the 221 00:09:32,224 --> 00:09:34,504 Speaker 1: bigger problem, Like shit, well. 222 00:09:34,384 --> 00:09:37,304 Speaker 3: I mean she let her, like seventeen year old daughter. 223 00:09:37,264 --> 00:09:39,424 Speaker 1: Just take this blame. And that's how you be a 224 00:09:39,424 --> 00:09:40,824 Speaker 1: showbiz mom. I'm gonna say. 225 00:09:41,144 --> 00:09:44,664 Speaker 3: But I also feel like now with Tish and Billy 226 00:09:44,744 --> 00:09:48,624 Speaker 3: Ray Cyrus, every time the children mention their names, I'm 227 00:09:48,624 --> 00:09:50,024 Speaker 3: always like, it's perked. 228 00:09:50,424 --> 00:09:52,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, there's a lot going on with this family 229 00:09:52,944 --> 00:09:55,064 Speaker 1: and I feel like we're only really getting the surface 230 00:09:55,144 --> 00:09:57,704 Speaker 1: level of the drama that's gone on behind the scenes. 231 00:09:57,704 --> 00:09:59,624 Speaker 1: It sounds much more intense because you're right, because they're 232 00:09:59,624 --> 00:10:01,944 Speaker 1: such a famous family and they've built so much of 233 00:10:01,984 --> 00:10:03,944 Speaker 1: their fame of people knowing the ins and outs of 234 00:10:03,944 --> 00:10:06,384 Speaker 1: their family dynamic. They get asked about it a lot 235 00:10:06,424 --> 00:10:09,224 Speaker 1: in interviews, and Miley in particular is very good at 236 00:10:09,304 --> 00:10:11,384 Speaker 1: kind of skirting around it's so interesting at this point 237 00:10:11,384 --> 00:10:13,384 Speaker 1: in her career, she's so happy to talk about, like 238 00:10:13,664 --> 00:10:16,144 Speaker 1: even her divorce from William Hemsworth and talking about the 239 00:10:16,184 --> 00:10:18,864 Speaker 1: fact that they got married because they lost their whole 240 00:10:18,904 --> 00:10:21,064 Speaker 1: home in a fire and they just wanted to create 241 00:10:21,144 --> 00:10:23,624 Speaker 1: new memories. But she's talked about their breakup, she's talked 242 00:10:23,624 --> 00:10:26,544 Speaker 1: a bit about her new relationship. She talks about his 243 00:10:26,664 --> 00:10:30,144 Speaker 1: past controversies and different moments in her career and all 244 00:10:30,144 --> 00:10:31,784 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But the one kind of big 245 00:10:31,824 --> 00:10:34,464 Speaker 1: controversy that she'll never talk about in depth is what's 246 00:10:34,504 --> 00:10:37,264 Speaker 1: going on with her family. But through some interviews, you've 247 00:10:37,304 --> 00:10:39,544 Speaker 1: been able to piece it together. So if not across 248 00:10:39,544 --> 00:10:43,544 Speaker 1: the Cyrus family tree, Yeah, got a lot of hearts also, 249 00:10:43,624 --> 00:10:45,224 Speaker 1: like they seem like they've been a very tight knit 250 00:10:45,224 --> 00:10:47,504 Speaker 1: family over the years, and just things have happened recently. 251 00:10:47,824 --> 00:10:50,704 Speaker 1: So Miley is one of six children. So there's her, 252 00:10:51,024 --> 00:10:53,504 Speaker 1: her sister Noah Cyrus, who will get to because it's 253 00:10:53,544 --> 00:10:56,224 Speaker 1: been drama there, and her brother Brayson, So they are 254 00:10:56,264 --> 00:10:59,824 Speaker 1: all the children of Tish Cyrus and Billy Ray Cyrus. 255 00:11:00,224 --> 00:11:02,664 Speaker 1: And then there's two other siblings. So you've got Brandy, 256 00:11:02,664 --> 00:11:05,864 Speaker 1: who Miley is quite close with, and Trace, who were 257 00:11:05,864 --> 00:11:08,904 Speaker 1: from Tish's first marriage, but they were adopted by Billy 258 00:11:09,024 --> 00:11:11,304 Speaker 1: Ray when they got married, so they've kind of just 259 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:12,984 Speaker 1: all been raised as you know, as in like all 260 00:11:12,984 --> 00:11:13,584 Speaker 1: one family. 261 00:11:13,904 --> 00:11:17,824 Speaker 3: And they're from Metro Station, the band Yeah I love 262 00:11:17,864 --> 00:11:18,984 Speaker 3: Metro Station, do you really? 263 00:11:19,024 --> 00:11:21,984 Speaker 1: Yeah? Telling you every day. And also Miley has another 264 00:11:21,984 --> 00:11:24,704 Speaker 1: half brother, Christopher, from another relationship of her father's, but 265 00:11:24,744 --> 00:11:27,024 Speaker 1: he stays out of the drama, so he's not quite involved. 266 00:11:27,384 --> 00:11:30,464 Speaker 1: So especially Miley and Noah, because Noah's also a bit 267 00:11:30,504 --> 00:11:33,184 Speaker 1: of a child star. We're always photographed on red carpet. 268 00:11:33,304 --> 00:11:34,904 Speaker 1: Do you remember when Noah used to be this like 269 00:11:34,984 --> 00:11:36,944 Speaker 1: cute little She's like a mini Miley, like a little 270 00:11:36,984 --> 00:11:38,664 Speaker 1: mini Miley who would go to events with her and 271 00:11:38,784 --> 00:11:40,904 Speaker 1: really cute. So a few things have happened since. 272 00:11:40,784 --> 00:11:43,224 Speaker 3: And they've even like performed at like Christmas concerts together 273 00:11:43,264 --> 00:11:45,144 Speaker 3: when they were older, Like they seem like the closest 274 00:11:45,144 --> 00:11:45,944 Speaker 3: siblings out of all. 275 00:11:46,104 --> 00:11:48,224 Speaker 1: Yes, well not so much anymore. So there's been a 276 00:11:48,224 --> 00:11:51,024 Speaker 1: few hints of things happening. One is when Miley Cyrus 277 00:11:51,024 --> 00:11:54,184 Speaker 1: appeared on David Letterman's Netflix show My Next Guest Needs 278 00:11:54,224 --> 00:11:57,624 Speaker 1: No Introduction, and David Letterman kind of asks very nicely 279 00:11:57,664 --> 00:11:59,624 Speaker 1: but asked a lot of different questions about the family. 280 00:11:59,904 --> 00:12:03,224 Speaker 1: And it's so interesting because when she's asked about her mother, 281 00:12:03,344 --> 00:12:07,184 Speaker 1: about Tish Cyrus, Miley goes like all in saying, my 282 00:12:07,264 --> 00:12:09,824 Speaker 1: mum is my hero. I love her so much, oh 283 00:12:09,864 --> 00:12:12,504 Speaker 1: everything to her, She's done everything for me. And when 284 00:12:12,664 --> 00:12:16,264 Speaker 1: she's asked about her father, she kind of goes very quiet, 285 00:12:16,584 --> 00:12:19,144 Speaker 1: and she doesn't actually say that they're strange when she's 286 00:12:19,224 --> 00:12:21,784 Speaker 1: outrightly asked if they're a strange Instead, she just said 287 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:23,624 Speaker 1: that's how things are played in the media. But she 288 00:12:23,664 --> 00:12:26,304 Speaker 1: doesn't really she doesn't say it's not true. And then 289 00:12:26,344 --> 00:12:28,744 Speaker 1: when David Leediman presses her and like, how has your 290 00:12:28,744 --> 00:12:31,664 Speaker 1: father shaped her career? She does say like, I'm very 291 00:12:31,664 --> 00:12:33,824 Speaker 1: grateful for being able to watch him go ahead of me. 292 00:12:34,304 --> 00:12:36,224 Speaker 1: He's given me this map, and there's a map of 293 00:12:36,264 --> 00:12:38,024 Speaker 1: what to do and what not to do, and he's 294 00:12:38,024 --> 00:12:40,824 Speaker 1: guided me on both. And then she said, I've also 295 00:12:40,904 --> 00:12:43,664 Speaker 1: inherited narcissism from my father. Oh yeah, and just kind 296 00:12:43,664 --> 00:12:45,824 Speaker 1: of leaves it as that. So it's two very different 297 00:12:45,824 --> 00:12:48,424 Speaker 1: ways that she's talking about her parents. But then the 298 00:12:48,464 --> 00:12:51,384 Speaker 1: real drama in the Cyrus family, apart from like when 299 00:12:51,464 --> 00:12:53,384 Speaker 1: Tith and Billy Ray got divorced and that was sort 300 00:12:53,384 --> 00:12:57,104 Speaker 1: of everywhere, was the Dominique Purcell drama across this Yeah. 301 00:12:57,144 --> 00:12:59,904 Speaker 3: I think we talked about it briefly at the time. 302 00:13:00,064 --> 00:13:01,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of the story of the week 303 00:13:01,704 --> 00:13:03,744 Speaker 1: when it happened. So Dominique Purcell, a lot of people 304 00:13:03,744 --> 00:13:06,024 Speaker 1: would know him from Prison Break. I know him from 305 00:13:06,064 --> 00:13:09,904 Speaker 1: my superhero shows that I watch, Legends and all that 306 00:13:09,904 --> 00:13:11,824 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, But most people will know him from 307 00:13:11,904 --> 00:13:13,664 Speaker 1: being on the show prison Break for many years and 308 00:13:13,744 --> 00:13:17,184 Speaker 1: being hot and being a very hot, muscular man. So 309 00:13:17,264 --> 00:13:20,624 Speaker 1: what happened was Miley Cyrus's mother, Tish, and Dominie Purcell 310 00:13:20,944 --> 00:13:24,224 Speaker 1: got married in August of twenty twenty three. They had 311 00:13:24,304 --> 00:13:27,944 Speaker 1: this big, very opulent wedding in Malibumember. Miley Cyrus was 312 00:13:27,944 --> 00:13:30,304 Speaker 1: a bridesmaid and her mum was wearing a flowing white 313 00:13:30,344 --> 00:13:32,864 Speaker 1: dress and now were flowers everywhere. So out of all 314 00:13:32,904 --> 00:13:35,264 Speaker 1: the siblings, so Miley was there and she was front 315 00:13:35,304 --> 00:13:38,864 Speaker 1: and center. So was Brandy, and so was Trace, and 316 00:13:38,984 --> 00:13:41,064 Speaker 1: they were in all the photos and they were posting 317 00:13:41,104 --> 00:13:43,024 Speaker 1: like Congrat's mum, we love you Dominique, all this sort 318 00:13:43,064 --> 00:13:44,984 Speaker 1: of stuff. So it was a very happy family event 319 00:13:45,304 --> 00:13:47,904 Speaker 1: except for the fact that Noah Cyrus and Brace and 320 00:13:47,944 --> 00:13:50,504 Speaker 1: Cyrus were not there. And on the same day that 321 00:13:50,544 --> 00:13:52,664 Speaker 1: all the wedding photos, like the wedding was taking place 322 00:13:52,664 --> 00:13:55,104 Speaker 1: and all the wedding photos we being posted, they posted 323 00:13:55,104 --> 00:13:56,504 Speaker 1: a photo of themselves at Walmart. 324 00:13:56,984 --> 00:14:00,184 Speaker 3: They literally did like an Instagram story series of them 325 00:14:00,184 --> 00:14:02,584 Speaker 3: spending the day together and it was very much like 326 00:14:02,624 --> 00:14:05,224 Speaker 3: we had nothing to do today. So you're in Wilmat 327 00:14:05,344 --> 00:14:07,264 Speaker 3: and I remember Noel was wearing like a Billy Ray 328 00:14:07,304 --> 00:14:08,024 Speaker 3: Cyrus shirt. 329 00:14:08,184 --> 00:14:11,424 Speaker 1: Yes, that's such an important detail. It's like the family 330 00:14:11,504 --> 00:14:13,584 Speaker 1: had split down the middle and someone were taking the 331 00:14:13,624 --> 00:14:15,264 Speaker 1: side of Tish and someone were taking the side of 332 00:14:15,264 --> 00:14:17,584 Speaker 1: Billy Ray. But there's another lay here that I find 333 00:14:17,704 --> 00:14:19,824 Speaker 1: very disturbing. Do you know Abo, this is this Billy 334 00:14:19,904 --> 00:14:22,304 Speaker 1: Ray No, no, no. This is the fact that it's never 335 00:14:22,344 --> 00:14:24,944 Speaker 1: been kind of outrightly said, but it's been reported and 336 00:14:24,984 --> 00:14:26,664 Speaker 1: the family has kind of talked about it. Is that 337 00:14:26,744 --> 00:14:30,464 Speaker 1: Noah Siris, the little sister, was hooking up with Dominique 338 00:14:30,464 --> 00:14:33,104 Speaker 1: Pacell before this. How do you not know about this? 339 00:14:33,184 --> 00:14:34,344 Speaker 3: I did not know this. 340 00:14:34,344 --> 00:14:36,544 Speaker 1: This has been the whole thing the whole time about them. 341 00:14:36,544 --> 00:14:37,344 Speaker 1: How do you not know about it? 342 00:14:37,584 --> 00:14:40,104 Speaker 3: So they're exes and then he went and married her. 343 00:14:40,224 --> 00:14:43,624 Speaker 1: Mum, Well, it's not one hundred percent proven, but it 344 00:14:43,824 --> 00:14:46,104 Speaker 1: has been I don't want to always pull this card out, 345 00:14:46,144 --> 00:14:48,064 Speaker 1: but it has been reported by People magazine. 346 00:14:48,184 --> 00:14:49,544 Speaker 3: Ah, I mean it's true. 347 00:14:49,544 --> 00:14:52,144 Speaker 1: That means it's true. So what's happened is apparently they 348 00:14:52,144 --> 00:14:54,224 Speaker 1: were just friends with benefits. They were hooking up even 349 00:14:54,304 --> 00:14:56,704 Speaker 1: though there's over a twenty your mum, there's over a 350 00:14:56,744 --> 00:14:58,944 Speaker 1: twenty year you know, they were hooking up before allegedly 351 00:14:59,104 --> 00:15:01,384 Speaker 1: oh Tish got together with Dominique, and there's over a 352 00:15:01,384 --> 00:15:04,024 Speaker 1: twenty year age gap there. So that's obviously quite a setting. 353 00:15:04,384 --> 00:15:07,984 Speaker 1: That's even worse than you and your friend Robert Irwin. 354 00:15:08,544 --> 00:15:12,504 Speaker 1: You're the Dominic purcell of this RELATIONSHI do not. So 355 00:15:12,864 --> 00:15:15,064 Speaker 1: they were apparently hooking up friends with benefits and then 356 00:15:15,104 --> 00:15:19,144 Speaker 1: allegedly Tish slid into Dominic's DMS and they started chatting 357 00:15:19,144 --> 00:15:21,784 Speaker 1: on Instagram. It's unclear whether she knew her daughter was 358 00:15:21,824 --> 00:15:25,024 Speaker 1: sleeping with him or whether she wouldn't known it was 359 00:15:25,104 --> 00:15:27,504 Speaker 1: just I mean, I don't know. Again, this all that 360 00:15:27,544 --> 00:15:29,304 Speaker 1: would not be a coinci. This, this whole thing is 361 00:15:29,344 --> 00:15:31,464 Speaker 1: still allegations. I cannot stress that enough. 362 00:15:32,064 --> 00:15:34,264 Speaker 3: So has anyone sat down? Where's David Lenman getting to 363 00:15:34,264 --> 00:15:34,624 Speaker 3: sit down with? 364 00:15:34,664 --> 00:15:38,184 Speaker 1: Do he needs to know about this? So People magazine 365 00:15:38,224 --> 00:15:40,784 Speaker 1: reported that Miley confronted her mum about it and that 366 00:15:40,864 --> 00:15:43,304 Speaker 1: she thinks it's a really strange situation. But she also 367 00:15:43,344 --> 00:15:45,224 Speaker 1: saw that her mum is happy and she loves her 368 00:15:45,424 --> 00:15:48,224 Speaker 1: and they've just decided to leave it. And then Miley 369 00:15:48,424 --> 00:15:50,584 Speaker 1: and Noah and all those siblings all unfollow each other 370 00:15:50,624 --> 00:15:54,184 Speaker 1: on socials and also Miley unfollowed Billy Rasiro, so it 371 00:15:54,224 --> 00:15:57,104 Speaker 1: was a whole unfollowing. Yeah, which is very public statement. 372 00:15:58,064 --> 00:16:01,184 Speaker 3: Oh, I did not know this, Okay, So this is 373 00:16:01,224 --> 00:16:05,344 Speaker 3: the law behind the family. But I do also think 374 00:16:05,504 --> 00:16:08,624 Speaker 3: that even with all this family drama, and stuff like 375 00:16:08,664 --> 00:16:11,024 Speaker 3: it feels like right from the beginning, even during the 376 00:16:11,064 --> 00:16:14,904 Speaker 3: Disney days, Miley Cyrus has just had criticism after criticism 377 00:16:14,944 --> 00:16:16,064 Speaker 3: throughout her entire career. 378 00:16:16,184 --> 00:16:16,744 Speaker 1: Nana na, Nana. 379 00:16:17,984 --> 00:16:20,624 Speaker 3: So I'm trying to not make this like a thank 380 00:16:20,624 --> 00:16:23,584 Speaker 3: you Miley Cyrus. You can do the past, because I 381 00:16:23,624 --> 00:16:27,264 Speaker 3: grew up with Miley Cyrus, like she was my era. 382 00:16:27,344 --> 00:16:30,824 Speaker 1: And she's got a great voice and she's an incredible former, 383 00:16:30,904 --> 00:16:32,704 Speaker 1: Like I would die to see her life. 384 00:16:32,344 --> 00:16:36,864 Speaker 3: And I love everything she is right now, like performing 385 00:16:36,904 --> 00:16:39,864 Speaker 3: at the Grammys, winning her first Grammy, like everything, like 386 00:16:39,864 --> 00:16:42,144 Speaker 3: her look, going back to being a brunette and just 387 00:16:42,224 --> 00:16:46,224 Speaker 3: embracing like how beautiful and talented she is. And it's 388 00:16:46,304 --> 00:16:49,224 Speaker 3: annoying to me because I feel like everyone's like, that's 389 00:16:49,264 --> 00:16:54,024 Speaker 3: so nice. I'm like, this is amazing, Like everyone forgets 390 00:16:54,064 --> 00:16:56,824 Speaker 3: how much shit she got, like right from the beginning, 391 00:16:56,824 --> 00:16:59,904 Speaker 3: when she was literally fifteen years old, Like I remember 392 00:16:59,944 --> 00:17:02,584 Speaker 3: the first thing when she was in Disney Channel she 393 00:17:02,664 --> 00:17:05,064 Speaker 3: did that not even nude, She just did a photo 394 00:17:05,064 --> 00:17:06,304 Speaker 3: shoot with Vanity Fair. 395 00:17:06,624 --> 00:17:08,424 Speaker 1: Yeah that was in two thousand and eight when she 396 00:17:08,464 --> 00:17:11,584 Speaker 1: was fifteen years old, and it was, yeah, a cover 397 00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:14,944 Speaker 1: of Vanity Fair with the title Miley knows best across it. 398 00:17:14,744 --> 00:17:17,064 Speaker 3: Ah, and like that would have been a photo shoot 399 00:17:17,104 --> 00:17:19,264 Speaker 3: that was like approved by her parents, like her dad 400 00:17:19,344 --> 00:17:21,064 Speaker 3: was in the photo shoot as well. 401 00:17:21,224 --> 00:17:23,144 Speaker 1: Also was with Annie Leebowitz, who is one of the most 402 00:17:23,144 --> 00:17:25,144 Speaker 1: famed photographers in the world and was kind of the 403 00:17:25,184 --> 00:17:27,784 Speaker 1: go to for Vogue and Vanity Fair and all those 404 00:17:27,784 --> 00:17:29,984 Speaker 1: big covers. And normally if like Annie shot it, like 405 00:17:30,024 --> 00:17:31,344 Speaker 1: that's it, no one questions it. 406 00:17:31,504 --> 00:17:32,984 Speaker 3: And everyone questioned that, well, it's. 407 00:17:32,824 --> 00:17:34,944 Speaker 1: Because she can't look like she's naked, but she's The 408 00:17:34,984 --> 00:17:37,464 Speaker 1: thing is, she's also kind of very bare faced makeup 409 00:17:37,544 --> 00:17:40,344 Speaker 1: but with like a bit of a dark lip, kind 410 00:17:40,344 --> 00:17:42,744 Speaker 1: of tossled hair. It's all very innocent unless you look 411 00:17:42,784 --> 00:17:43,744 Speaker 1: at it in a different way. 412 00:17:44,024 --> 00:17:45,424 Speaker 3: But it's also like, why are we looking at it 413 00:17:45,424 --> 00:17:45,984 Speaker 3: in a different way. 414 00:17:46,024 --> 00:17:48,224 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing because young women always sexualize what 415 00:17:48,264 --> 00:17:51,264 Speaker 1: they're doing, and she's got a sheet, she's holding up 416 00:17:51,304 --> 00:17:53,304 Speaker 1: a sheet around her, kind of eluding that she's sitting 417 00:17:53,384 --> 00:17:55,464 Speaker 1: naked below a sheet, and that's what people were really 418 00:17:55,544 --> 00:17:56,104 Speaker 1: upset about. 419 00:17:56,424 --> 00:17:58,504 Speaker 3: It's like that. And then I remember straight after that 420 00:17:58,704 --> 00:18:02,424 Speaker 3: was like the whole Selena Gomez, Demie Levado, Nick Jonas 421 00:18:02,464 --> 00:18:05,184 Speaker 3: thing where she that song Seven Things I Hate About You. 422 00:18:05,224 --> 00:18:08,344 Speaker 3: I don't remember that seven Things You, And I think 423 00:18:08,384 --> 00:18:11,424 Speaker 3: that was when the sexualized age of her as like 424 00:18:11,464 --> 00:18:14,224 Speaker 3: a teen like got even more because everyone was like, oh, wait, 425 00:18:14,344 --> 00:18:17,024 Speaker 3: is she like having boyfriends? Is she having sad Well? 426 00:18:17,064 --> 00:18:19,544 Speaker 1: She apologized that Vanity fair cover like she was like, 427 00:18:19,584 --> 00:18:21,384 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, You're right, that's and I don't think 428 00:18:21,424 --> 00:18:23,024 Speaker 1: she would do that now, And she was so young 429 00:18:23,024 --> 00:18:25,544 Speaker 1: though she's only fifteen. It's probably the first taste of 430 00:18:25,664 --> 00:18:28,184 Speaker 1: backlash for the way she looks and what she was 431 00:18:28,184 --> 00:18:30,624 Speaker 1: doing that she really gotten on like a global level, 432 00:18:30,864 --> 00:18:32,904 Speaker 1: and people like any leebal it's like the photo is fine. 433 00:18:32,944 --> 00:18:34,384 Speaker 1: If you guys are looking at this photo in a 434 00:18:34,384 --> 00:18:36,304 Speaker 1: weird way, that's on you. But it was the first 435 00:18:36,344 --> 00:18:38,104 Speaker 1: time I think Miley sorry kind of like I don't 436 00:18:38,144 --> 00:18:41,144 Speaker 1: think she would backtrack now and apologize or something like that. 437 00:18:41,224 --> 00:18:42,664 Speaker 1: But at the time, I think, yeah, it was because 438 00:18:42,664 --> 00:18:44,624 Speaker 1: it was her first taste and she was quite rocked 439 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:45,064 Speaker 1: by it, and. 440 00:18:45,024 --> 00:18:46,864 Speaker 3: It just snowballed from there. I remember she had like 441 00:18:46,904 --> 00:18:48,944 Speaker 3: this best friend named Mandy that they would do YouTube 442 00:18:48,984 --> 00:18:52,144 Speaker 3: videos together, and there was like a photo of them 443 00:18:52,224 --> 00:18:54,424 Speaker 3: eating like a snake lolly like in Lady in the 444 00:18:54,464 --> 00:18:56,464 Speaker 3: Trampway and that went viral because they were like, oh 445 00:18:56,464 --> 00:19:00,344 Speaker 3: my god, Miley Cyrus, is she a lesbian? This is crazy? 446 00:19:01,064 --> 00:19:03,224 Speaker 3: Heaven forbid? And I'm like, this is like a blurry 447 00:19:03,264 --> 00:19:05,504 Speaker 3: digital photo of like two best friends just having fun 448 00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:07,664 Speaker 3: and taking photos of each other. And then like we 449 00:19:07,704 --> 00:19:12,344 Speaker 3: had the whole pole dancing allegedly, and then we had 450 00:19:12,424 --> 00:19:14,264 Speaker 3: the Bangers, like the Banger's album. 451 00:19:14,024 --> 00:19:15,384 Speaker 1: And that's when I think she was just like, I'm 452 00:19:15,384 --> 00:19:17,184 Speaker 1: gonna lean so far into this. 453 00:19:17,344 --> 00:19:19,744 Speaker 3: And it was her performance at the EMPTV Awards with 454 00:19:19,824 --> 00:19:28,104 Speaker 3: Robin Thick. Even robins Thick was a bit like I'm 455 00:19:28,104 --> 00:19:29,024 Speaker 3: not sure what's happening here. 456 00:19:29,104 --> 00:19:30,544 Speaker 1: That was different though, because I feel like that was 457 00:19:30,544 --> 00:19:32,944 Speaker 1: the first time she one hundred percent did something just 458 00:19:32,984 --> 00:19:35,224 Speaker 1: to get a scandalous reaction. All the other times was 459 00:19:35,224 --> 00:19:37,024 Speaker 1: a bit like she was trying to do something innocent 460 00:19:37,064 --> 00:19:37,184 Speaker 1: in it. 461 00:19:37,384 --> 00:19:38,784 Speaker 3: But it makes sense, right because she's like, if you 462 00:19:38,784 --> 00:19:39,544 Speaker 3: guys are gonna hate me. 463 00:19:39,504 --> 00:19:41,024 Speaker 1: No matter what I'm doing, Yeah, she wanted to lean 464 00:19:41,024 --> 00:19:43,304 Speaker 1: into it. And also I guess like controlling the shock 465 00:19:43,384 --> 00:19:45,384 Speaker 1: value too, Like if you really want to go out 466 00:19:45,384 --> 00:19:47,544 Speaker 1: there and get headlines and you do it on purpose 467 00:19:47,824 --> 00:19:50,144 Speaker 1: would be a much more fulfilling like that dopamine hit 468 00:19:50,184 --> 00:19:52,464 Speaker 1: that you get from people liking your Instagram would be 469 00:19:52,544 --> 00:19:54,544 Speaker 1: much more so than that. Then doing a cover and 470 00:19:54,584 --> 00:19:56,664 Speaker 1: having it turn on you without you controlling it. 471 00:19:56,744 --> 00:19:59,544 Speaker 3: Yet still being so so talented like that was I 472 00:19:59,584 --> 00:20:02,664 Speaker 3: feel like my favorite album with hers bangs like Wrecking Ball. 473 00:20:02,744 --> 00:20:03,424 Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? 474 00:20:03,504 --> 00:20:05,544 Speaker 1: I would love love that. That's why people were so 475 00:20:05,584 --> 00:20:07,704 Speaker 1: shocked that she only want to Grammy this year and 476 00:20:07,744 --> 00:20:10,024 Speaker 1: also infamously didn't thank her father. I remember how she 477 00:20:10,104 --> 00:20:12,184 Speaker 1: named everyone in her life and then she was I 478 00:20:12,184 --> 00:20:13,984 Speaker 1: think that's it. I didn't forget anyone, and then she 479 00:20:14,064 --> 00:20:14,744 Speaker 1: ran off stage. 480 00:20:14,984 --> 00:20:18,064 Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, that's they can keep that in the family, 481 00:20:18,544 --> 00:20:21,384 Speaker 3: reach their own. And then that like one little hiccup 482 00:20:21,384 --> 00:20:23,104 Speaker 3: where she was kind of with Cody Simpson for a 483 00:20:23,184 --> 00:20:23,624 Speaker 3: little bit. 484 00:20:23,864 --> 00:20:25,984 Speaker 1: And do you remember when she dated Kaitlyn Carter. This 485 00:20:26,184 --> 00:20:28,184 Speaker 1: was pre her dating her boyfriend that she's been with 486 00:20:28,344 --> 00:20:30,464 Speaker 1: for a long time now, Max Mirando. It was cute 487 00:20:30,504 --> 00:20:32,664 Speaker 1: because when she when she thanked him at the Grammys, 488 00:20:32,704 --> 00:20:34,544 Speaker 1: she was like, you know, my love for all this 489 00:20:34,624 --> 00:20:36,464 Speaker 1: kind of stuff and was talking about him supporting her. 490 00:20:36,504 --> 00:20:37,344 Speaker 1: That's quite cute. 491 00:20:37,464 --> 00:20:37,984 Speaker 3: So they're like. 492 00:20:37,984 --> 00:20:40,144 Speaker 1: Public, but we don't really know that much about him, 493 00:20:40,144 --> 00:20:41,704 Speaker 1: Like I don't think most peop would even know that 494 00:20:41,744 --> 00:20:45,184 Speaker 1: they're in this long term, very like stable monogamis very 495 00:20:45,224 --> 00:20:46,304 Speaker 1: serious relationship. 496 00:20:46,344 --> 00:20:48,464 Speaker 3: And I think that's mainly because she's not like quote 497 00:20:48,544 --> 00:20:51,704 Speaker 3: unquote scandalous anymore, so no one really cares. It's like, oh, 498 00:20:51,744 --> 00:20:52,624 Speaker 3: that's a bit bora well, I. 499 00:20:52,584 --> 00:20:55,664 Speaker 1: Think because the Cody Simpson thing, but also her relationship 500 00:20:55,704 --> 00:20:58,464 Speaker 1: with Liam Hems was so public for so long and 501 00:20:58,504 --> 00:21:00,584 Speaker 1: she really got torn down for that. But no, when 502 00:21:00,584 --> 00:21:04,544 Speaker 1: she dated so Kaitlyn Carter was Brodie Jenna's technically wife 503 00:21:04,584 --> 00:21:07,024 Speaker 1: because they married, but they weren't legally married, but she 504 00:21:07,184 --> 00:21:08,584 Speaker 1: was on the Hill's new beginnings The. 505 00:21:08,544 --> 00:21:10,864 Speaker 3: Hills, Brodie Jenna was somehow involved. 506 00:21:10,984 --> 00:21:14,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's involved in everything. Every story in Hollywood traces 507 00:21:14,504 --> 00:21:17,304 Speaker 1: back to that man. And so when he and Kaitlyn 508 00:21:17,344 --> 00:21:19,024 Speaker 1: Carter broke up, and that was like a kind of 509 00:21:19,064 --> 00:21:21,224 Speaker 1: a big thing because they'd filmed their relationship for the 510 00:21:21,224 --> 00:21:24,544 Speaker 1: reboot of the Hills. And then she started dating Miley 511 00:21:24,624 --> 00:21:26,984 Speaker 1: Cyrus and they were like being very public about it 512 00:21:27,024 --> 00:21:28,984 Speaker 1: again because I think they were, like they were obviously 513 00:21:29,104 --> 00:21:30,584 Speaker 1: very into each other, but I think they were also 514 00:21:30,704 --> 00:21:32,984 Speaker 1: enjoying all of the scandal that came with it, and 515 00:21:33,024 --> 00:21:35,064 Speaker 1: they were getting papped. They're probably like, well, there's peraps 516 00:21:35,064 --> 00:21:37,024 Speaker 1: following us everywhere as well, we're gonna like put on 517 00:21:37,064 --> 00:21:38,584 Speaker 1: a show for them. So that was like a huge 518 00:21:38,584 --> 00:21:39,264 Speaker 1: moment in time. 519 00:21:39,584 --> 00:21:42,584 Speaker 3: Oh my god, scandal, scandal and I know this and 520 00:21:42,624 --> 00:21:44,864 Speaker 3: now yeah, and then the Cody Simpson thing, which was 521 00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:46,424 Speaker 3: like for five seconds. 522 00:21:46,224 --> 00:21:47,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not interesting to me, and. 523 00:21:47,984 --> 00:21:50,744 Speaker 3: I was like, he was like wearing suits, singing beautiful 524 00:21:50,784 --> 00:21:53,704 Speaker 3: renditions of the national anthem at sporting events. So they 525 00:21:53,704 --> 00:21:55,984 Speaker 3: both went in really great ways. I think it worked 526 00:21:55,984 --> 00:21:57,864 Speaker 3: out for them. But that's what I like, I just 527 00:21:57,904 --> 00:22:00,184 Speaker 3: wanted to talk about, Like I feel like when we 528 00:22:00,344 --> 00:22:02,344 Speaker 3: see these things like here talking about the pole dancing, 529 00:22:02,384 --> 00:22:05,304 Speaker 3: we always look at it in isolation forgetting like she's 530 00:22:05,344 --> 00:22:08,264 Speaker 3: had so much shit thrown at her in the previous 531 00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:11,984 Speaker 3: years that finally, now when the world's like here's your Grammy, 532 00:22:12,064 --> 00:22:14,744 Speaker 3: you deserve there's you deserve to be celebrated, like it's 533 00:22:14,784 --> 00:22:17,744 Speaker 3: so long overdue, but I'm so glad we're doing it now. 534 00:22:18,024 --> 00:22:19,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so sorry that she's currently getting sued for 535 00:22:19,984 --> 00:22:30,424 Speaker 1: copyright infringement. But you know, if history tells us anything again, 536 00:22:30,504 --> 00:22:33,424 Speaker 1: it's not Bruno Mars. You need to listen to. This 537 00:22:33,544 --> 00:22:35,784 Speaker 1: is the music company that half owns his music in 538 00:22:35,824 --> 00:22:36,184 Speaker 1: the song. 539 00:22:36,304 --> 00:22:38,224 Speaker 3: If you have no idea what we're talking about, we 540 00:22:38,264 --> 00:22:41,184 Speaker 3: did talk about Biley Sorrus versus Bruno Mars. 541 00:22:41,224 --> 00:22:41,544 Speaker 1: I said it. 542 00:22:41,584 --> 00:22:44,064 Speaker 3: I said it. We will link that episode in our 543 00:22:44,104 --> 00:22:46,664 Speaker 3: show notes. Thank you so much for listening to the 544 00:22:46,744 --> 00:22:49,464 Speaker 3: Spill today. The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with 545 00:22:49,504 --> 00:22:52,064 Speaker 3: audio production by Scott Stronik, and we will be back 546 00:22:52,104 --> 00:22:54,704 Speaker 3: in your ears tomorrow at three pm. 547 00:22:54,904 --> 00:23:00,544 Speaker 1: Bye bye, l