WEBVTT - BONUS: Our Honest Thoughts About 'And Just Like That' Season Three 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.341 You're listening to a MoMA Maya podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:24.662 that this podcast is recorded onny Fuck. 0:00:27.262 --> 0:00:31.622 I just I can't believe this is so stupid. I mean, 0:00:31.662 --> 0:00:34.982 I thought, you know, throwing a pebble at your window 0:00:35.022 --> 0:00:38.062 would be it would be cute because it's our thing. 0:00:38.702 --> 0:00:40.182 I think maybe we need a new thing. 0:00:40.662 --> 0:00:41.862 Rise and shine, beauty. 0:00:42.702 --> 0:00:47.702 I let you sleep in. It's seven al not in Bali. 0:00:47.782 --> 0:00:48.942 I've had three cups already. 0:00:49.062 --> 0:00:52.542 Oh I like the service here. Well, don't get used 0:00:52.542 --> 0:00:52.742 to it. 0:00:52.782 --> 0:00:55.182 If hit a three day limit, it's part of your 0:00:55.182 --> 0:01:00.862 exit package. Herbert an office visit to What do I 0:01:00.902 --> 0:01:03.262 owe this honor? I've been trying to reach you, but 0:01:03.662 --> 0:01:04.782 your phone has been turned off. 0:01:04.822 --> 0:01:06.901 Yeah, I turned it off because of truck. 0:01:07.661 --> 0:01:10.741 It's your father. What about daddy? He had a stroke. 0:01:11.702 --> 0:01:16.862 Well, what a hospital I'll go to. No, it's too late, 0:01:17.662 --> 0:01:18.262 it's gone. 0:01:18.662 --> 0:01:19.662 I slept with Kathy. 0:01:20.062 --> 0:01:21.742 What do you mean you slept with Kathy. 0:01:23.422 --> 0:01:28.142 After the airport. She was just so upset, and I 0:01:28.142 --> 0:01:31.342 mean we both were. I guess we were just trying 0:01:31.382 --> 0:01:35.422 to comfort each other. It just happened, and it will 0:01:35.582 --> 0:01:40.542 never ever happen again. It's just it won't so odd. 0:01:40.542 --> 0:01:45.982 But I kind of understand, Charlotte. What are you doing 0:01:46.062 --> 0:01:46.581 down here? 0:01:47.222 --> 0:01:47.342 What? 0:01:48.142 --> 0:01:52.422 Why why are you holding adult male? Depends? 0:01:53.142 --> 0:01:55.022 Harry has prostate cancer. 0:01:55.702 --> 0:01:58.382 He doesn't want anyone to know or to find it. 0:01:58.502 --> 0:02:00.582 Oh, so that's why I'm all the way down here. 0:02:00.982 --> 0:02:03.462 And please forget that I told you. 0:02:04.222 --> 0:02:08.542 I'm only telling you because guess that depends. 0:02:08.061 --> 0:02:13.102 Hell, I was welcome to a bonus free extra supplementary 0:02:13.142 --> 0:02:17.341 episode of out Loud where we discuss and just like that, 0:02:17.462 --> 0:02:20.902 now this is sponsored by and just like that, which 0:02:20.902 --> 0:02:23.822 you can watch on Max. What does that mean? Doesn't 0:02:23.822 --> 0:02:26.221 mean that we are told what to say, doesn't mean 0:02:26.302 --> 0:02:29.341 that we aren't giving our free and honest opinions. 0:02:28.942 --> 0:02:32.262 Because we are, because we would have done this episode anyway. 0:02:32.382 --> 0:02:34.302 Just trying to stop us talking about this show. 0:02:34.342 --> 0:02:37.102 We watched every minute of this. We have much debriefing 0:02:37.222 --> 0:02:37.542 we do. 0:02:37.742 --> 0:02:39.742 So all it means when we are sponsored to be 0:02:39.782 --> 0:02:43.022 completely transparent is that we get to make another episode 0:02:43.222 --> 0:02:45.902 for you, so we get to talk all about and 0:02:45.982 --> 0:02:48.422 just like that, it's up to episode six. There will 0:02:48.462 --> 0:02:49.142 be spoilers. 0:02:49.302 --> 0:02:52.102 Do you know that there's another six? Because I've watched 0:02:52.262 --> 0:02:54.862 episode six and I was like, how much longer do 0:02:54.902 --> 0:02:56.862 I have to go? Don't tell me it's other because 0:02:56.862 --> 0:02:58.382 I asked half into it. 0:02:58.702 --> 0:02:59.582 Are we only half way? 0:02:59.622 --> 0:02:59.822 Thought? 0:03:00.902 --> 0:03:02.022 We're only half way? 0:03:02.302 --> 0:03:03.422 Halfway? Doll? 0:03:03.582 --> 0:03:05.061 I thought there were some louth hen. 0:03:05.181 --> 0:03:08.062 No, yeah, there are some really sense you were like, really, 0:03:08.062 --> 0:03:10.102 they've liked this girl flubbing? Anyway, why do you The 0:03:10.142 --> 0:03:14.222 way I'd like to start is by just recapping where 0:03:14.222 --> 0:03:16.822 we're at with our characters, and I think we have 0:03:16.942 --> 0:03:19.862 to start, probably with Carrie an Aiden. I think that 0:03:20.022 --> 0:03:23.862 episode six was a big one, Holly, take it away. 0:03:23.942 --> 0:03:27.341 How are you feeling about SJP? Sorry about carry ann Aiden? 0:03:27.542 --> 0:03:31.061 I should say, well, I really enjoyed the episode where 0:03:31.102 --> 0:03:34.102 Carrie went down to Virginia. I found that really interested. 0:03:34.142 --> 0:03:35.582 I think you're the only one I know. 0:03:35.662 --> 0:03:37.982 I think I was. But I found it interesting because 0:03:38.022 --> 0:03:40.262 although all that like I'm just gonna take it lightly 0:03:40.302 --> 0:03:44.342 stuff was annoying. I liked the reality check that she 0:03:44.502 --> 0:03:47.382 got when she had to see what a complicated family 0:03:47.422 --> 0:03:49.422 looks like up close, and she was kind of like, 0:03:49.862 --> 0:03:53.422 I don't really belong in this scenario. I quite like that. Then, 0:03:53.462 --> 0:03:55.782 of course we have the not so subtle seeding of 0:03:55.902 --> 0:03:57.542 the man downstairs. 0:03:58.102 --> 0:04:04.342 I like the callbacks right because Carrie has relationship, whether 0:04:04.462 --> 0:04:08.422 romantic or not, with Writer is from our Burger days 0:04:09.062 --> 0:04:13.862 when she had that very complicated, iconic relationship with him, 0:04:13.862 --> 0:04:16.182 who then left a post it note which we also 0:04:16.222 --> 0:04:18.302 saw in episode six, which was when Aiden put the 0:04:18.301 --> 0:04:20.262 post it note on the mirror. 0:04:20.062 --> 0:04:22.222 And Jesse, can I blow your mind further? You know, 0:04:22.301 --> 0:04:27.221 in real life Berger is married to Kathy, Aiden's ex wife. Yes, 0:04:27.861 --> 0:04:28.861 the Actressy plays. 0:04:30.181 --> 0:04:32.861 Yeah, so the rider downstairs. You know, it's always an 0:04:32.902 --> 0:04:34.981 interesting thing about whether the two writers should get him 0:04:34.981 --> 0:04:38.181 a thing, but he's clearly there to be seated as 0:04:38.381 --> 0:04:42.861 a potential interest. And what we found out about carrying 0:04:42.941 --> 0:04:46.381 episode six, and obviously this episode contains spoilers, so do 0:04:46.462 --> 0:04:50.101 not listen if you haven't watched it, is that when Aiden, 0:04:50.142 --> 0:04:52.101 who's clearly going through a bit of a bad time, 0:04:52.342 --> 0:04:55.261 turns up throws a rock through a window that doesn't 0:04:55.262 --> 0:04:59.101 get out well, but then divulges that he slept with Kathy, 0:04:59.861 --> 0:05:02.981 and Carrie kind of goes that was fine. I was like, 0:05:03.061 --> 0:05:06.061 is that in character or out of character for Carrie? 0:05:06.541 --> 0:05:11.101 I think it's meant to show evolution. Carry we know, 0:05:11.782 --> 0:05:13.902 and there's been a lot of discussion about whether she's 0:05:13.981 --> 0:05:16.101 changed or whether she is just the same carry as 0:05:16.902 --> 0:05:18.902 she has changed. I think that she's evolved. I think 0:05:18.941 --> 0:05:19.942 that she's more grown up. 0:05:20.421 --> 0:05:23.381 And I felt she's clinically depressed this season, which is 0:05:23.421 --> 0:05:25.341 understandable because of Big, Right. 0:05:25.662 --> 0:05:26.862 Oh, I don't see that, but she. 0:05:26.861 --> 0:05:28.861 Hasn't mentioned Big one time. I don't know. 0:05:28.941 --> 0:05:31.541 I kind of feel like she's living her best life 0:05:31.621 --> 0:05:33.981 in a way, like being semi single in that beautiful 0:05:34.022 --> 0:05:35.662 house and tripping around in her shoes. 0:05:35.741 --> 0:05:38.222 I have two issues with I do love. Actually, let's 0:05:38.222 --> 0:05:40.462 just make it three, all right. One thing, take your 0:05:40.462 --> 0:05:43.421 shoes off. So there is a complaint from the neighbor 0:05:43.462 --> 0:05:46.022 downstairs that she's clamping in her heels and he tries 0:05:46.061 --> 0:05:48.301 to sleep during the day. Take the shoes off. 0:05:48.262 --> 0:05:51.261 Lady, don't want that. Just sewing throwing red meat to 0:05:51.301 --> 0:05:53.582 the base like it's just a way of showing lots 0:05:53.621 --> 0:05:56.182 of carrying shoes, like carry and shoes, carrying shoes. I 0:05:56.181 --> 0:05:58.621 thought that was actually a very effective way to get 0:05:58.662 --> 0:06:01.541 a ton of outfits from below the knee. Me too, 0:06:01.782 --> 0:06:03.421 and I was quite satisfied by it, even though I 0:06:03.421 --> 0:06:04.381 thought the plot was silly. 0:06:04.462 --> 0:06:07.461 Second point, she was a bitch about the window. I 0:06:07.501 --> 0:06:10.741 feel as though like he got it, window was a mistake. 0:06:10.902 --> 0:06:13.462 My issue with Carrie sometimes is that like she doesn't 0:06:13.501 --> 0:06:15.662 really apologize. She says something really hurtful, and then the 0:06:15.702 --> 0:06:17.142 person who is like that hurt me and she kind 0:06:17.142 --> 0:06:19.621 of looks at them and he's like, h. 0:06:20.262 --> 0:06:22.741 But hold on, so what happened, right, Let's be clear. 0:06:22.782 --> 0:06:25.501 So Aiden turns up after their sort of semi disastrous 0:06:25.582 --> 0:06:29.022 Virginia situation. He turns up and in the old days 0:06:29.101 --> 0:06:31.501 he used to throw pebbles up to her window when 0:06:31.501 --> 0:06:34.741 she lived in that beautiful brownstone. Kid, it's a callback, 0:06:35.101 --> 0:06:37.501 and so he's trying to do that, but he shatters 0:06:37.541 --> 0:06:40.942 the window, and she is upset because it's beautiful antiqu glass, 0:06:40.981 --> 0:06:42.622 and she's very obsessed with this at the minute. She's 0:06:42.621 --> 0:06:47.261 writing historical fiction that apparently casts little rainbows. Now, I 0:06:47.301 --> 0:06:49.942 had no idea that there were different types of glass. 0:06:50.262 --> 0:06:52.821 I didn't know that there was like fancy glass that 0:06:52.902 --> 0:06:56.021 casts rainbows and cheap glass that doesn't. But I thought 0:06:56.101 --> 0:06:58.822 her reaction was fair enough, because you know that sometimes 0:06:58.902 --> 0:07:02.621 somebody damages or loses or something that is important to you. Yeah, 0:07:02.861 --> 0:07:04.782 and we're all supposed to go, oh, it doesn't matter, 0:07:04.821 --> 0:07:06.822 it's fine, and she does go it doesn't matter, it's 0:07:06.861 --> 0:07:08.381 fine after a while, but your. 0:07:08.222 --> 0:07:10.821 Initial reaction everything's ruined. 0:07:10.622 --> 0:07:13.222 Can sometimes reveal how you really feel about it. And 0:07:13.302 --> 0:07:15.622 so when she made that stupid comment about like, but 0:07:15.662 --> 0:07:17.622 it won't cust the little rambos, that that's how she 0:07:17.702 --> 0:07:20.502 really felt. And then she realized she was being unreasonable 0:07:20.502 --> 0:07:22.662 and was this worth having a big fight about? And 0:07:22.702 --> 0:07:25.141 she tried to backtrack. I've done that many times. 0:07:25.182 --> 0:07:28.542 Is anyone still cheering for them? Because this man makes 0:07:28.582 --> 0:07:30.542 my vagina shrivel into. 0:07:30.381 --> 0:07:33.261 The SaHas too small suit that made me want to 0:07:33.462 --> 0:07:33.862 but just. 0:07:33.821 --> 0:07:36.941 Everything about him he is so even before the licking 0:07:37.062 --> 0:07:41.862 hand in episode one, the weirdness of will you wait 0:07:41.941 --> 0:07:46.662 for five years? The inconsistency about Kathy has a partner 0:07:46.782 --> 0:07:50.341 and what whyat can't ever be left alone? That whole 0:07:50.381 --> 0:07:54.782 plotline I just find incredibly unsatisfying. And what I also 0:07:54.902 --> 0:07:58.261 found awesome but then unsatisfying, because every so often the 0:07:58.262 --> 0:08:00.902 writers give Sarah Jessica Parker enough to get her teeth 0:08:00.941 --> 0:08:03.062 into and you're like, oh god, she's a great actress. 0:08:03.502 --> 0:08:08.021 That scene where he confesses about sleeping with Kathy, and 0:08:08.182 --> 0:08:10.901 so many things go over her face, and then she 0:08:11.022 --> 0:08:14.902 starts saying, well, actually, I understand it's not the reaction 0:08:14.982 --> 0:08:16.822 I thought she'd have. I understand how that could happen. 0:08:16.862 --> 0:08:18.422 And he's like, aren't you mad that I slept with someone. 0:08:18.542 --> 0:08:20.662 She's like no, and he's like, well, i'd be mad 0:08:20.702 --> 0:08:22.462 if you slept with someone, and she's like, well wait, 0:08:22.502 --> 0:08:24.942 I didn't agree to not sleep with someone. And then 0:08:24.982 --> 0:08:27.902 she says what we've all been thinking. I can't believe 0:08:27.902 --> 0:08:30.502 we're only just talking about this now, and I'm like, 0:08:30.622 --> 0:08:33.222 thank you, yes, they talk about it. 0:08:33.302 --> 0:08:35.381 We would like to know the parameters of this relation. 0:08:35.542 --> 0:08:37.542 But then the scene ends and the next cut is 0:08:37.582 --> 0:08:41.302 of them in bed when his Dick's probably still you know, 0:08:42.262 --> 0:08:44.902 and someone else like sting. 0:08:44.542 --> 0:08:47.982 That I don't think Aiden was invited to the funeral. 0:08:48.022 --> 0:08:50.062 I'll put that on the table. Have you even met her, 0:08:50.302 --> 0:08:51.222 let alone her father? 0:08:51.422 --> 0:08:56.702 So this is ltw's funerals. Her father dies, and there's 0:08:56.742 --> 0:08:58.782 a clumsy plot, but it's I get what they're doing 0:08:58.822 --> 0:09:00.782 of like, she was so busy at work, she didn't 0:09:00.822 --> 0:09:03.062 answer the phone, and she missed the final moments with 0:09:03.102 --> 0:09:05.702 her father. They all go to the funeral. The funeral 0:09:05.782 --> 0:09:07.822 is great, Like I'm just putting it out there. It 0:09:07.902 --> 0:09:11.222 was great. The funeral turns up and his two small suit, 0:09:11.222 --> 0:09:14.142 which is bad, But you're right, he probably wasn't invited, 0:09:14.142 --> 0:09:15.982 but he should go with her. I would expect my 0:09:16.022 --> 0:09:17.542 partner to come to a funeral with me if he 0:09:17.622 --> 0:09:18.102 was in town. 0:09:18.262 --> 0:09:20.502 No, I feel as though it was like a New 0:09:20.582 --> 0:09:23.622 York event hole exactly. They used it as date night. 0:09:24.022 --> 0:09:26.062 Two more little notes on carry The first one is 0:09:26.062 --> 0:09:29.582 is anyone really dictating their text messages? That was That's 0:09:29.622 --> 0:09:31.782 annoying me. The second thing is I worry about the 0:09:31.862 --> 0:09:34.062 lack of research going into the romantic fiction. 0:09:34.222 --> 0:09:36.422 Although I do have to say just on the text message. 0:09:36.462 --> 0:09:39.142 I have always been wondering how you do functuation, and 0:09:39.182 --> 0:09:41.262 now I know say that. 0:09:40.622 --> 0:09:44.862 So she's writing, she's writing that historical novel, and she's 0:09:44.862 --> 0:09:47.022 doing no research. She's just going off vibes, and I 0:09:47.062 --> 0:09:50.062 feel like she's got to read a few primary sources. 0:09:50.062 --> 0:09:51.942 She's done a lot of research into that house, a 0:09:51.942 --> 0:09:54.902 lot of research. Yes, she talked about it heaps in 0:09:54.902 --> 0:09:57.382 that first boring bit where she met with one who 0:09:58.862 --> 0:10:01.262 anyway back to we need to focus tiny bit more 0:10:01.382 --> 0:10:05.422 on that confession. Right, My view is I think it 0:10:05.502 --> 0:10:07.462 was very mature of her to be like, Okay, I 0:10:07.462 --> 0:10:08.902 can see how that could happen. I could see how 0:10:08.942 --> 0:10:11.542 it could happen too, But cheating with your ex wife 0:10:11.662 --> 0:10:16.182 is actually worse than cheating with just some random bar person. 0:10:16.262 --> 0:10:18.422 Don't you think, oh, we are clearer on the parameters 0:10:18.422 --> 0:10:20.022 of this arrangement, because. 0:10:19.782 --> 0:10:22.222 But that's okay. Relationships are messy. But I like that 0:10:22.302 --> 0:10:24.902 she knew that. I like that she went I wasn't 0:10:24.942 --> 0:10:28.182 thinking of being celibate, and I thought, oh, so now 0:10:28.222 --> 0:10:30.822 the man downstairs, the sexy gardener, whoever they're seeding for 0:10:30.902 --> 0:10:33.382 us that she might sleep with, she actually might sleep 0:10:33.382 --> 0:10:34.902 with them. But it doesn't mean it's over with Aden. 0:10:34.942 --> 0:10:36.102 But that was exciting. 0:10:35.742 --> 0:10:40.222 Whole We spent an entire episode with her angsting like 0:10:40.342 --> 0:10:44.182 a teenager about the thumbs down emoji, and then he goes, oh, 0:10:44.262 --> 0:10:45.662 I slept with Kathy, and she's. 0:10:45.502 --> 0:10:48.381 Like, as you rightly say, she was axting about are 0:10:48.382 --> 0:10:50.062 we supposed to be in contact? Aren't we all that? 0:10:50.222 --> 0:10:52.182 Now they are they're working it out in real time. 0:10:52.382 --> 0:10:54.622 But don't you think it's worse to sleep with your 0:10:54.622 --> 0:10:55.622 ex wives that are stranger. 0:10:55.662 --> 0:10:58.702 I actually don't don't know. No, I feel as though 0:10:59.022 --> 0:11:01.462 looking at them, I had the same reaction that Carrie did, 0:11:01.462 --> 0:11:03.102 which was like, oh, I don't really care that he 0:11:03.142 --> 0:11:06.142 slept with Kathy because they both know it's done. They 0:11:06.222 --> 0:11:10.182 both did it in like a moment of like sadness. 0:11:10.382 --> 0:11:12.222 I don't know how Bob's going to feel about it, Yeah, 0:11:12.262 --> 0:11:12.782 poor Bob. 0:11:12.982 --> 0:11:15.182 I think it's worse because they do have history and 0:11:15.182 --> 0:11:16.822 they're always going to be in each other's lives because 0:11:16.822 --> 0:11:18.702 of the kids. So how many more times might it happen? 0:11:18.782 --> 0:11:21.022 Oras If it's just the bar maid from the tavern 0:11:21.102 --> 0:11:24.942 down the road, that's a different situation anyway, from the tavern. 0:11:26.782 --> 0:11:30.222 We'll be back with more of our very real feelings 0:11:30.422 --> 0:11:30.782 about it. 0:11:30.982 --> 0:11:31.502 Just like that. 0:11:31.662 --> 0:11:34.022 In a second, can we talk about Charlotte. 0:11:34.022 --> 0:11:36.622 Please, let's talk about Charlotte. I'm deep in the and 0:11:36.702 --> 0:11:39.742 just like that subreddits, and there's a lot of discussion 0:11:40.182 --> 0:11:46.261 about Kristin Davis and her permanently startled expression. I like it, 0:11:46.382 --> 0:11:50.182 and just feeling like she's just a ditch and that 0:11:50.382 --> 0:11:51.302 she's just got. 0:11:51.222 --> 0:11:53.502 She's always been that. What did you think was gonna 0:11:53.502 --> 0:11:56.662 happen charlotte'suddenly going to be like reincarnated as Yoda. 0:11:56.742 --> 0:11:59.022 I do you have Charlotte in the club? I liked 0:11:59.062 --> 0:12:01.262 it when Charlotte went in the club. Harry has not 0:12:01.342 --> 0:12:03.142 had a good season, and now we know why he's 0:12:03.182 --> 0:12:04.222 got prostate cancer. 0:12:04.502 --> 0:12:07.822 Yeah, I feel such warmth towards Harry, Poor Harry. Yeah. 0:12:07.862 --> 0:12:11.542 I found that storyline really stink, like whether she tells 0:12:11.542 --> 0:12:14.102 her friends and her acting out of character. She's someone 0:12:14.102 --> 0:12:16.462 who relies on her friends a lot. 0:12:17.422 --> 0:12:20.502 And also I liked how Carrie knew, like she just knew. 0:12:20.782 --> 0:12:23.262 Carrie was like, what's going on with you? That nothing? 0:12:23.502 --> 0:12:26.022 The others didn't care, but Harry could pick it up. 0:12:26.302 --> 0:12:28.422 But is it fair for Harry to have asked her 0:12:28.462 --> 0:12:30.502 of that? Because he gets diagnosed with prostate cancer? He 0:12:30.542 --> 0:12:32.982 makes it clear lots of guys my age do it's 0:12:33.022 --> 0:12:35.662 gonna be fine, but we can all acknowledge that cancer 0:12:35.742 --> 0:12:38.422 is a scary word, a scary diagnosis. It would be scary. 0:12:38.742 --> 0:12:41.022 So they're going through what they're going through, and he says, 0:12:41.022 --> 0:12:43.502 do not tell the girls. Is that a fair thing 0:12:43.542 --> 0:12:43.902 to ask? 0:12:44.022 --> 0:12:45.982 I think you have to honor it. And I think 0:12:46.022 --> 0:12:49.862 that when she's found in the shop by Carrie, she 0:12:49.902 --> 0:12:52.422 had no choice. She kind of had to just reveal 0:12:52.542 --> 0:12:54.942 what was happening. But I think so, And I think 0:12:54.982 --> 0:12:55.222 that that. 0:12:55.342 --> 0:12:58.782 Loadin Nigga's fair really no, because not only are you 0:12:58.862 --> 0:13:01.622 asking her to cope with it, you're asking her to 0:13:01.702 --> 0:13:05.142 cope with it without any support and having to be 0:13:05.822 --> 0:13:09.102 like everything's fine, everything's fine. And I think that that's 0:13:09.142 --> 0:13:12.062 one thing perhaps for men who might be able to 0:13:12.062 --> 0:13:14.342 have those kind of friendships, but as a woman, when 0:13:14.382 --> 0:13:17.782 you've got very deep friendships, as you say, oh, your 0:13:17.782 --> 0:13:20.422 friend's clock it, so either you've got to just sort 0:13:20.422 --> 0:13:24.822 of be detached from everybody, but the person around the 0:13:24.822 --> 0:13:28.782 person who's unwell in a situation like that also is 0:13:28.822 --> 0:13:32.782 going through an incredibly difficult time and they need support 0:13:32.822 --> 0:13:34.782 of their own, like the Karen needs caring too. 0:13:35.022 --> 0:13:37.422 Yeah, but I understand his point that he just doesn't 0:13:37.422 --> 0:13:39.582 want people. And if he told the way that they're 0:13:39.582 --> 0:13:43.582 all so enmeshed, like whenever someone meets him, they're gonna 0:13:43.622 --> 0:13:45.782 look at him a certain way and speak to him 0:13:45.782 --> 0:13:46.342 a certain No. 0:13:46.702 --> 0:13:48.702 I get that. I just think it's a tough ass. 0:13:48.742 --> 0:13:50.542 What do you think they're trying to tell us? Because 0:13:50.582 --> 0:13:54.342 obviously Charlotte and her friendship with LTW is more and 0:13:54.382 --> 0:13:57.182 more prominent. They're really good mates. Now, what's going on 0:13:57.222 --> 0:13:59.462 with LTW and the hot editor? What are they trying 0:13:59.462 --> 0:14:00.182 to tell us about that? 0:14:00.422 --> 0:14:01.462 Like the work crush line. 0:14:01.542 --> 0:14:04.942 I really like this because she's got a hot husband, 0:14:05.022 --> 0:14:08.782 they've got a great marriage, she's fulfilled in marriage, they 0:14:08.782 --> 0:14:12.382 have a great set, So it's not that anything's lacking, 0:14:12.902 --> 0:14:17.062 And I think that that now this grief situation, losing 0:14:17.102 --> 0:14:20.822 her father is an interesting complication, and she's clearly got 0:14:21.142 --> 0:14:24.742 complex feelings about work and about family. But I like 0:14:24.822 --> 0:14:27.662 what they're playing with here. And I also like this 0:14:27.742 --> 0:14:29.742 actor a lot. I think she's got the two hottest 0:14:29.742 --> 0:14:30.462 men in the whole show. 0:14:30.662 --> 0:14:34.542 She does, definitely George Washington Miranda. 0:14:35.222 --> 0:14:39.742 Miranda has a girlfriend. I'm quite enjoying. It feels like 0:14:39.782 --> 0:14:44.222 the first kind of grown up relationship that Miranda has 0:14:44.262 --> 0:14:45.382 had since she came. 0:14:45.222 --> 0:14:48.022 Out, Yes, since before she came out. I don't know 0:14:48.062 --> 0:14:50.782 if her relationship with Steve felt like an over relationship 0:14:50.782 --> 0:14:51.342 of equals. 0:14:51.462 --> 0:14:55.462 Yeah, right, I like very much. Particularly in the earlier 0:14:55.542 --> 0:14:58.622 scenes of her and Joy, the writers are really nailing 0:14:58.742 --> 0:14:59.982 their dialogue. 0:14:59.502 --> 0:15:00.062 The flirting. 0:15:00.102 --> 0:15:03.022 The flirting was great, that back and forth was great. 0:15:03.102 --> 0:15:05.742 I don't know, as is always the case, now that 0:15:05.782 --> 0:15:08.862 it's actually been fulfilled and they're moving into relationship church, 0:15:08.942 --> 0:15:10.822 it might not be quite It's so fun. Joy is 0:15:10.862 --> 0:15:12.862 a little bit painful about those little dogs, as much 0:15:12.902 --> 0:15:15.942 as I like dogs. But that was really fun and 0:15:15.982 --> 0:15:17.102 the actress is great. 0:15:17.462 --> 0:15:19.622 And I've really warmed to Brady in that scene that 0:15:19.662 --> 0:15:22.822 he has even met Joy. I was expecting that to 0:15:22.822 --> 0:15:25.902 go a different way. I also really liked, you know, 0:15:25.982 --> 0:15:30.062 this idea of the troubled teenager in Wyatt. But I 0:15:30.182 --> 0:15:32.542 liked that there were some other young men through the 0:15:32.622 --> 0:15:35.702 show with Aidan's other two sons and now Brady, who 0:15:35.742 --> 0:15:38.502 are like really good young men, yes. 0:15:38.422 --> 0:15:42.302 And welcoming of their parents' partners. I really like that, 0:15:42.382 --> 0:15:44.902 and I think Joy's great. Do we have high hopes? 0:15:45.342 --> 0:15:47.742 Yeah? I do have high I think I want some 0:15:47.782 --> 0:15:50.422 happiness from Aroanda. I like that a lot. 0:15:50.582 --> 0:15:53.502 We'll be back after this break to talk about Seema 0:15:53.742 --> 0:15:54.742 complicated feelings. 0:15:54.822 --> 0:15:58.582 Yeah, why do we think that Seema suddenly everything's going 0:15:58.622 --> 0:15:59.302 wrong for Seema? 0:15:59.462 --> 0:16:01.502 I can't well, because they needed a complication, but I 0:16:01.542 --> 0:16:04.782 can't warm to Seema. I feel like they obviously brought 0:16:04.782 --> 0:16:07.462 her in. They brought a few characters. 0:16:07.022 --> 0:16:08.622 Into it, but she's the new amount. 0:16:08.782 --> 0:16:11.062 She's the news amount, and she was brought in I 0:16:11.102 --> 0:16:15.382 think as the new Samantha, like a very ambitious, ball busting, single, 0:16:15.902 --> 0:16:21.102 sex positive older woman. My problem with Seema is that 0:16:21.222 --> 0:16:24.702 she has none of the lightness and charm that Kim 0:16:24.742 --> 0:16:26.822 Kachrall Is an actor had, and that the character of 0:16:26.822 --> 0:16:30.062 Samantha had. She was a ball buster, but she was 0:16:30.102 --> 0:16:32.662 also a little bit naughty and a little bit mischievous, 0:16:32.742 --> 0:16:34.582 and she had a great sense of humor. I feel 0:16:34.622 --> 0:16:37.702 like Sema is incredibly negative. 0:16:38.222 --> 0:16:41.622 I disagree. I really really like I think that she. 0:16:41.582 --> 0:16:43.462 I think she's always complaining funny. 0:16:43.742 --> 0:16:49.182 I see her as being funny and ambitious and challenging, 0:16:49.342 --> 0:16:51.582 and the relationship that she has with Carrie seems a 0:16:51.582 --> 0:16:54.942 bit like a proxy for Samantha to me, and I 0:16:55.022 --> 0:16:57.102 like what she represents. I like that there's a fourth chair. 0:16:57.142 --> 0:17:00.062 I think it feels empty, yeah when there's just three 0:17:00.142 --> 0:17:01.942 of them sitting there, so I think that she's fitting 0:17:01.982 --> 0:17:02.502 quite well. 0:17:02.582 --> 0:17:06.062 I also really enjoyed I know it wasn't in these episodes, 0:17:06.101 --> 0:17:07.302 it was in one of the early ones, but I 0:17:07.341 --> 0:17:09.502 really enjoyed that little montage where she met all the time, 0:17:09.942 --> 0:17:12.262 you know, and she said updated type in New York. 0:17:12.502 --> 0:17:14.022 And there's the guy who want a bitch about his 0:17:14.101 --> 0:17:16.141 ex wife and there's and she's like, I can tell. 0:17:16.022 --> 0:17:18.262 You're going to be my favorite. Like that was when 0:17:18.861 --> 0:17:20.782 the man sat down and she just goes nope. 0:17:22.101 --> 0:17:25.302 I also really like looking at Sema. I think she's 0:17:25.381 --> 0:17:28.941 beautiful too. I like that her forehead moves. I like 0:17:29.022 --> 0:17:31.021 that her clothes are amazing, Like she has a very 0:17:31.061 --> 0:17:33.341 distinct color scheme. I'm very upset she's had to give 0:17:33.422 --> 0:17:34.182 up that car that. 0:17:34.302 --> 0:17:37.022 Don't give up smoking, which she definitely has not, given 0:17:38.182 --> 0:17:39.102 that car that. 0:17:39.182 --> 0:17:42.782 Is this particular custom color which you never see. It's 0:17:42.942 --> 0:17:44.941 very sad for her. Why are they bringing Sema to 0:17:44.982 --> 0:17:45.421 her niece? 0:17:45.502 --> 0:17:47.421 I know, I find that the way, And it's not 0:17:47.462 --> 0:17:50.822 the actress's fault, because the actress is amazing, Sarita Chowdry, 0:17:50.861 --> 0:17:54.782 but they write her as such a caricature, Like the 0:17:54.821 --> 0:17:57.061 way she talks is not the way humans talk. 0:17:57.502 --> 0:18:00.182 None of them talk like humans talk. But it's their 0:18:00.222 --> 0:18:02.221 shoehorning in and they're doing this with all of it. 0:18:02.302 --> 0:18:05.502 But like a plot line that is realistic for women 0:18:05.542 --> 0:18:07.142 of that age. So it's like us three could sit 0:18:07.182 --> 0:18:08.861 here and go okay, So you've got to have a 0:18:08.901 --> 0:18:13.581 health complicated even the exploring the sexuality thing that's been 0:18:13.821 --> 0:18:17.701 Miranda's and for her it's like this real crossroads. I mean, 0:18:17.702 --> 0:18:20.621 it's sort of like what mids almost like they've listened 0:18:20.621 --> 0:18:23.661 to a season of Midle. They have yes, they just 0:18:23.742 --> 0:18:25.621 don't bring up protein enough. I think that that's going 0:18:25.661 --> 0:18:28.142 to be the next thing. But with her, it's kind 0:18:28.182 --> 0:18:30.782 of going. She's at this crossroads in her career where 0:18:30.821 --> 0:18:32.581 she's like, do I want to keep working for someone 0:18:32.621 --> 0:18:35.141