WEBVTT - Gracie Otto Watched Her Dad’s Health Unfold From Behind The Camera 0:00:10.365 --> 0:00:14.405 You're listening to a Mom and Mia podcast. Mama Miya 0:00:14.485 --> 0:00:17.125 acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this 0:00:17.165 --> 0:00:18.485 podcast is recorded on. 0:00:18.565 --> 0:00:19.925 If I look at the end of the film now 0:00:19.965 --> 0:00:21.525 and Dad's kind of asking me who I am, and 0:00:21.525 --> 0:00:23.845 he's a bit confused, but he kind of knows I'm someone. Now, 0:00:23.925 --> 0:00:25.325 I'm going to go see Dad in a minute, and 0:00:25.365 --> 0:00:27.725 he has no idea who I am. Last year he 0:00:27.765 --> 0:00:30.085 went from walking around the park one day to basically 0:00:30.125 --> 0:00:32.845 never walking again. It's like two hundred different light bulbs 0:00:32.845 --> 0:00:34.725 of everything you can do and they just start to 0:00:34.725 --> 0:00:37.605 shut off and you go, oh, right, great, those thirty 0:00:37.685 --> 0:00:38.725 light bulbs just went off. 0:00:38.565 --> 0:00:49.645 Now without even realizing it. You'll know the name Otto, 0:00:50.245 --> 0:00:55.485 whether it's actor Miranda Otto or Australian performing royalty Barry Otto, 0:00:55.925 --> 0:01:01.765 or his youngest daughter my guest today director and filmmaker 0:01:01.845 --> 0:01:05.565 Gracie Otto. If you haven't heard of her, you'll definitely 0:01:05.645 --> 0:01:09.845 know her work because of the past five years she's 0:01:09.845 --> 0:01:13.445 been working back to back on projects directing Australian series 0:01:13.845 --> 0:01:16.405 with no more than a three week break. In that 0:01:16.845 --> 0:01:21.045 entire time. He may have watched The Other Guy Deadlocke, 0:01:21.245 --> 0:01:26.805 The Artful Dodger, or the cult phenomenon Heartbreak High. But 0:01:26.925 --> 0:01:31.765 what has recently put Grace's name everywhere is her actor 0:01:31.885 --> 0:01:37.045 award winning film Otto by Otto, a documentary following her 0:01:37.085 --> 0:01:41.765 father as he prepares to premiere a one man show. 0:01:43.245 --> 0:01:47.245 What makes this film heartbreakingly beautiful is that, over the 0:01:47.365 --> 0:01:51.005 years she's spent documenting him, the film that began as 0:01:51.005 --> 0:01:55.485 a tribute to his career became a deeply personal story 0:01:55.885 --> 0:02:01.605 about watching his Alzheimer's diagnosis unfold before her eyes, as 0:02:01.645 --> 0:02:04.205 Graceie fought to capture as much of the man she 0:02:04.325 --> 0:02:10.165 knew before he disappeared. Grace's not only incredibly talented and 0:02:10.285 --> 0:02:15.325 very humble, but also a fascinating person. Though she's only 0:02:15.365 --> 0:02:19.885 read two books in her life, she's deeply immersed in 0:02:20.085 --> 0:02:23.605 art and culture. A woman most comfortable when dressed in 0:02:23.685 --> 0:02:28.965 Nike tracksuits, yet she directs multimillion dollar fashion films. She 0:02:29.045 --> 0:02:32.565 takes cooking classes, and has just started seeing a trainer, 0:02:33.165 --> 0:02:35.205 all in her attempt to learn how to be an 0:02:35.245 --> 0:02:39.325 adult while embracing every work opportunity that comes her way. 0:02:40.165 --> 0:02:43.285 I managed to catch Gracie during her rare three week 0:02:43.405 --> 0:02:47.405 break right before she dies into her next project. And 0:02:47.805 --> 0:02:50.805 knowing her she might not come up for air for 0:02:50.845 --> 0:02:56.125 another five years. Gracie Otto, welcome to No Filter. 0:02:56.525 --> 0:02:57.325 Thanks for having met. 0:02:57.405 --> 0:02:59.965 Yeah, well we haven't had you yet, but we will. 0:03:00.285 --> 0:03:02.765 Yeah. Well yeah, I'll save my thanks to the end. 0:03:04.525 --> 0:03:07.085 It's quite an achievement to get you here, because you are. 0:03:07.365 --> 0:03:09.765 I don't think it's an exaggeration one of the busiest 0:03:10.765 --> 0:03:13.685 artists in the country in terms of being a director 0:03:13.885 --> 0:03:18.245 and now an award winner. I think a lot of 0:03:18.285 --> 0:03:22.165 people wouldn't even realize how much of your work they know. 0:03:22.925 --> 0:03:24.725 I feel like I always yeah, people are like, how 0:03:24.725 --> 0:03:26.565 long you've been in the industry for and really like, 0:03:26.765 --> 0:03:28.805 you know, I've been working since I was like eighteen, 0:03:28.845 --> 0:03:32.645 after film school, making things on it, you know, fashion films, 0:03:32.725 --> 0:03:34.565 like short films. 0:03:34.125 --> 0:03:35.085 Like trying to do everything. 0:03:35.125 --> 0:03:37.125 But obviously in the last few years people are kind 0:03:37.165 --> 0:03:39.645 of more aware of some of the projects that I've done. 0:03:39.885 --> 0:03:46.685 You do span an extraordinary sort of breadth of material, really, 0:03:48.165 --> 0:03:51.485 like You've got, you know, Ladies in Black, or Heartbreak 0:03:51.565 --> 0:03:56.885 High or your new film the docco about your family, 0:03:57.765 --> 0:04:03.925 which I have to say is so extraordinary that I 0:04:04.125 --> 0:04:07.845 felt when I was watching it that my chest was 0:04:07.925 --> 0:04:09.485 being cleaved. 0:04:09.445 --> 0:04:11.885 Heart felt like that making it. 0:04:12.725 --> 0:04:16.165 Yes, and I'm not surprised. But my takeaway from it, 0:04:16.205 --> 0:04:20.805 which was interesting because because of your family obviously, and 0:04:20.845 --> 0:04:24.405 because of your dad Barriotto, who is a proper legiand 0:04:25.045 --> 0:04:29.285 that you have very much the sense of a woman 0:04:29.365 --> 0:04:30.765 who has been very well. 0:04:30.605 --> 0:04:33.765 Loved by her father, Yes, which is rare. 0:04:34.445 --> 0:04:38.005 When did you realize the weight of the surname? 0:04:41.205 --> 0:04:44.885 I guess growing up, you know, people knew, people knew 0:04:44.965 --> 0:04:47.605 Dad is not really you know people at school or 0:04:47.645 --> 0:04:50.085 anything like that, because dad was always a theater actor. 0:04:50.205 --> 0:04:52.205 I think it was like when I was in year 0:04:52.285 --> 0:04:54.485 ten and I got to go on set. 0:04:54.285 --> 0:04:56.645 On a lot of the Rings on my school holidays and. 0:04:56.645 --> 0:04:58.885 I didn't know anything about the book or the movie 0:04:59.005 --> 0:05:00.805 or you know, anything or whatever. It was just like 0:05:00.845 --> 0:05:02.645 happy to like get out of the country and like, 0:05:03.285 --> 0:05:05.805 you know, have some time with Miranda. And I remember 0:05:05.845 --> 0:05:08.125 coming back to school and like your eight kids and 0:05:08.165 --> 0:05:09.965 lots of kids kind of coming up to ask me 0:05:10.445 --> 0:05:12.645 about that, Whereas you know, I didn't really know anything 0:05:12.685 --> 0:05:14.325 about the film at the time. I was just like, oh, yeah, 0:05:14.325 --> 0:05:17.245 they're like all these like cobbets and yeah, walking around 0:05:17.285 --> 0:05:21.045 and outfits and pointed extra, Yeah, and so I think, 0:05:21.085 --> 0:05:25.845 you know, really people probably knew Miranda more. And then 0:05:25.885 --> 0:05:27.365 you know, we grew up in the theater world, so 0:05:27.405 --> 0:05:30.205 it was like going to opening nights obviously was quite 0:05:30.245 --> 0:05:33.885 normal to see people you know, on TV that we knew. 0:05:34.085 --> 0:05:36.285 You know, you'd see them on a show or go 0:05:36.365 --> 0:05:38.925 to the theater and then they'd you know, be over 0:05:38.965 --> 0:05:41.205 at the house having lunch or whatever, so that that 0:05:41.365 --> 0:05:44.805 was the norm. So yeah, I always, I always was 0:05:44.845 --> 0:05:45.565 aware of that. 0:05:46.045 --> 0:05:49.285 But when you were at school, your interests you were sporty. 0:05:49.445 --> 0:05:52.605 Yeah, yeah, I was very musical and sporty, like I 0:05:52.645 --> 0:05:56.645 played an indoor Australian soccer team and I played New 0:05:56.645 --> 0:05:59.605 South Wales softball. And my whole life, you know, with 0:05:59.645 --> 0:06:02.685 my mum was dedicated to driving from Burgo's High School 0:06:02.725 --> 0:06:05.645 to Narrabi Sports Academy or like up that way down 0:06:05.725 --> 0:06:08.645 back to Bonnie rig for soccer training. And mum was great, 0:06:08.725 --> 0:06:10.045 and I think, you know, I've got such a close 0:06:10.085 --> 0:06:12.725 relationship because she would read. I'm like, you know, I 0:06:12.765 --> 0:06:14.765 read like two books in my life and I don't 0:06:14.765 --> 0:06:18.045 know what are they I read. However, last thing in 0:06:18.125 --> 0:06:19.485 high school she was about the boy who wanted to 0:06:19.525 --> 0:06:21.685 live forever, and I kind of was to live forever. 0:06:22.325 --> 0:06:26.885 And then later I read Howard Hughes's biography. Yeah, I 0:06:27.685 --> 0:06:30.365 kind of life eccentric men, so that was the kind 0:06:30.405 --> 0:06:32.605 of interesting one. But yeah, so mom would tell me 0:06:32.645 --> 0:06:34.285 about like what happened in the book and stuff, and 0:06:34.285 --> 0:06:35.965 I would just watch the movie and then try and 0:06:36.005 --> 0:06:36.765 wing it at school. 0:06:36.805 --> 0:06:37.845 That's kind of how it went. 0:06:38.045 --> 0:06:41.165 Because you would have thought, probably, I mean, your your 0:06:41.245 --> 0:06:44.125 sister is an actress, that you would have been an actress, 0:06:44.165 --> 0:06:47.005 and that was a you tried being an actress. 0:06:47.685 --> 0:06:48.925 I did drama at school. 0:06:49.285 --> 0:06:52.045 I did Stephen Burkoff piece that I remember they had 0:06:52.045 --> 0:06:54.725 banned me from doing because I had to masturbate on stage. 0:06:54.725 --> 0:06:56.485 And that was the only time I actually saw Dad 0:06:56.605 --> 0:06:59.245 down the hallways in the school looking for the principal's office. 0:06:59.285 --> 0:07:00.725 I was like, what is he doing here, because he 0:07:00.765 --> 0:07:01.165 was like, my. 0:07:01.245 --> 0:07:03.965 Daughter wants to perform this, and they actually let me 0:07:04.005 --> 0:07:05.365 do it, which was great, and I was in like 0:07:05.365 --> 0:07:07.925 a group show. But really I had this teacher, missus Hardin, 0:07:08.085 --> 0:07:09.205 who built girls. 0:07:09.725 --> 0:07:11.445 I mean now a lot of the public schools. 0:07:11.485 --> 0:07:14.085 I'm very proud public school girl, even though at the 0:07:14.085 --> 0:07:15.645 time I really want to go to private school so 0:07:15.685 --> 0:07:16.925 I could go on sea trips and go to the 0:07:16.925 --> 0:07:18.885 parties and do all that. But I had a teacher, 0:07:18.925 --> 0:07:22.405 Miss Hardy, who taught Certificates three in film and it 0:07:22.445 --> 0:07:25.245 wasn't part of the HC or UAI or whatever, but 0:07:25.285 --> 0:07:25.565 it was like. 0:07:25.565 --> 0:07:26.405 An extra unit. 0:07:26.845 --> 0:07:30.085 And she taught me, like on VHS, how to you know, edit, 0:07:30.205 --> 0:07:31.645 and we set up cameras and I remember the first 0:07:31.725 --> 0:07:32.765 DA when I was trying to set up my camera 0:07:32.765 --> 0:07:34.165 and I was like, oh, it's not working, and she 0:07:34.325 --> 0:07:37.325 was like, it is working. And you know, being a female, 0:07:37.605 --> 0:07:39.365 if you just stay on set like oh this this 0:07:39.485 --> 0:07:41.925 equipment is not working, You're not going to get anywhere. 0:07:41.925 --> 0:07:43.885 And so she was actually like I remember she took 0:07:43.925 --> 0:07:45.725 me to Oxford Street for the first time. She took 0:07:45.725 --> 0:07:48.165 our class of four and I obviously, you know, growing 0:07:48.205 --> 0:07:50.085 up in the industry, its everyone thought I would have, 0:07:50.205 --> 0:07:52.245 you know, but I hadn't. Really, Like the first time 0:07:52.285 --> 0:07:55.645 I went overseas was September twelve, two thousand and one, 0:07:55.685 --> 0:07:57.605 the day after nine eleven. Miranda was doing a film 0:07:57.645 --> 0:07:59.805 in Italy and invited Dad and I and Mom was like, 0:07:59.845 --> 0:08:02.005 there's no Like everyone was like, there's no way you're going. 0:08:02.045 --> 0:08:03.765 Like September eleven, it just happened, and I was like, 0:08:03.845 --> 0:08:05.325 we are going to Italy. And we got on the 0:08:05.365 --> 0:08:09.165 plane on September twelve and went to Italy. And Dad, 0:08:09.445 --> 0:08:12.405 I'd never traveled with him, and he's so naive, like, 0:08:12.685 --> 0:08:14.405 and so I just met all these boys on ICQ 0:08:14.525 --> 0:08:15.965 on the internet because I just wanted to play soccer 0:08:15.965 --> 0:08:18.085 with them, and he would just sit at coffee shops 0:08:18.125 --> 0:08:20.285 and I would just go out like with these boys. 0:08:20.285 --> 0:08:21.965 And I was like fourteen or fifteen I think I 0:08:22.085 --> 0:08:24.365 was at the time, and just hang out or day 0:08:24.365 --> 0:08:26.365 in Italy, and I just from then, you know, I 0:08:26.405 --> 0:08:29.045 was just determined to get overseas and travel and see 0:08:29.085 --> 0:08:30.965 the world. So really, even though people think, you know, 0:08:31.125 --> 0:08:34.205 obviously it came from you know, a privileged upbringing and 0:08:35.165 --> 0:08:37.005 been in the industry and stuff, but our family never 0:08:37.085 --> 0:08:39.565 really were travelers, Like we went down to Cayama on 0:08:39.605 --> 0:08:42.005 holidays and stayed in a motel. You know. We weren't 0:08:42.045 --> 0:08:44.125 those families that kind of went on all those trips 0:08:44.165 --> 0:08:47.165 that I would have loved to do. So I think 0:08:47.165 --> 0:08:48.725 that's why I did so much traveling that as soon 0:08:48.725 --> 0:08:50.285 as I finished high school, So that I could get 0:08:50.325 --> 0:08:50.725 out of there. 0:08:51.445 --> 0:08:55.765 It's an interesting thing in the docco that you see 0:08:55.805 --> 0:08:58.685 the world of your family, and in some ways it's 0:08:58.725 --> 0:09:03.605 what you would expect from a very artistic family, you know, 0:09:03.725 --> 0:09:09.245 the clutter and the art and the eccentricity, and it's glorious. 0:09:09.445 --> 0:09:14.125 The shambling, rambling house. At the other end of that spectrum, 0:09:14.245 --> 0:09:17.645 there's like a real groundedness in it. As a family. 0:09:18.805 --> 0:09:21.845 Dad did mostly theater and like even Belvoir at the time, 0:09:21.925 --> 0:09:24.525 I can't remember what exactly the structured contracts, but everyone 0:09:24.525 --> 0:09:26.405 got paid the same, like the cleaner kind of got 0:09:26.405 --> 0:09:28.125 paid the same as the lead actor or you know, 0:09:28.205 --> 0:09:30.965 so it was a kind of you know, Dad was 0:09:30.965 --> 0:09:33.325 the income on that. Obviously he did you know, a 0:09:33.365 --> 0:09:36.525 few films and like you do ads or whatever. And 0:09:36.565 --> 0:09:39.565 then Mum's always been like, you know, extremely left wing 0:09:39.765 --> 0:09:43.645 and you know, hated the eastern suburbs, hated private stores. 0:09:43.685 --> 0:09:45.485 Still you know, she works with the Department of Education 0:09:45.645 --> 0:09:49.885 now in music, you know, so in a way we definitely, 0:09:50.005 --> 0:09:52.525 you know, we're in a West kind of family, and 0:09:52.565 --> 0:09:54.725 there was a lot of normality in that. 0:09:56.085 --> 0:10:00.525 The normality is very as I said, very grounding for you. 0:10:01.085 --> 0:10:04.325 But then your life has also been extraordinary, starting with, 0:10:04.405 --> 0:10:06.165 as you said, when you were really young, So when 0:10:06.205 --> 0:10:10.045 you had that appetite to go overseas and to start 0:10:10.085 --> 0:10:13.125 living a creative life, and you went to France when 0:10:13.125 --> 0:10:14.285 you were seventeen. 0:10:14.925 --> 0:10:16.845 Yeah, I've scored. I was seventeen, cause I think I 0:10:16.925 --> 0:10:17.285 just went. 0:10:17.365 --> 0:10:19.365 I just got dressed to go to kindergarten like a 0:10:19.445 --> 0:10:21.085 year early, and mom was like, well, I guess we'll 0:10:21.085 --> 0:10:21.645 just let her go. 0:10:22.165 --> 0:10:22.885 So I finished. 0:10:22.925 --> 0:10:25.205 I actually finished year twelve, I think I was. I 0:10:25.405 --> 0:10:29.685 just turned seventeen or yeah, yeah, and I went straight. Well, 0:10:29.845 --> 0:10:31.845 I played soccer in Greece. I was on a tour 0:10:31.925 --> 0:10:34.645 with the indoor Australian team. And then after that I 0:10:34.685 --> 0:10:36.765 had a French exchange shit at my friend Marine, because 0:10:36.805 --> 0:10:39.205 I remember she came to high school and everyone was like, 0:10:39.605 --> 0:10:41.165 you know, people didn't really want to take her around, 0:10:41.165 --> 0:10:43.165 and I was like, I will take the French girl around. 0:10:43.165 --> 0:10:44.885 And I remember we went out to recess and she 0:10:45.005 --> 0:10:47.805 just lit a cigarette and she was I was like, oh, 0:10:47.845 --> 0:10:50.765 I did like really smoke in year eleven and she 0:10:50.885 --> 0:10:53.045 was like, oh, but it's recess and I was like, yeah, 0:10:53.045 --> 0:10:55.365 it's recess. And so I went and actually met up 0:10:55.365 --> 0:10:58.125 with her in Paris, and yeah, I had a holiday 0:10:58.165 --> 0:10:59.925 there and then decided to move there with my best 0:10:59.965 --> 0:11:02.085 friend and we moved to Paris when I think, yeah, 0:11:02.085 --> 0:11:04.765 we just turned eighteen, which was probably still one of 0:11:04.805 --> 0:11:06.565 the most amazing experiences in my life. 0:11:06.565 --> 0:11:08.565 I mean we you know, lost a lot of money. 0:11:08.565 --> 0:11:11.965 We were homeless for about I don't know, three weeks nearly, 0:11:12.165 --> 0:11:15.405 just sleeping on random's couches. And it was just that 0:11:15.485 --> 0:11:17.485 thing with that pride where you were like, you're not 0:11:17.565 --> 0:11:20.045 an adult, but you're not a kid, so you kind 0:11:20.045 --> 0:11:22.405 of you know, and it was pre obviously social media, 0:11:22.445 --> 0:11:24.805 like you'd skype your family like once a week or whatever, 0:11:24.805 --> 0:11:27.645 but you never wanted to admit that you'd. 0:11:27.165 --> 0:11:30.045 You know, messed up and like things weren't going well. 0:11:30.085 --> 0:11:31.605 Like all I wanted to do was you know, go 0:11:31.685 --> 0:11:34.005 to film school or you know immerse most and I 0:11:34.045 --> 0:11:36.325 was working at the Scottish pub, earning five years an 0:11:36.325 --> 0:11:37.805 hour and being like an all pair. 0:11:38.325 --> 0:11:40.325 Still like one of the best times in my life. 0:11:40.645 --> 0:11:45.045 Yeah, and so obviously you learned to speak French then, yeah, 0:11:45.045 --> 0:11:46.365 I was very termed to speak French. 0:11:46.405 --> 0:11:49.285 I did French in high school and for my HSC 0:11:50.085 --> 0:11:52.085 and then we went out one night was with Jean 0:11:52.085 --> 0:11:55.325 Pierre Backri as this French actor and Vick Shdrosso is 0:11:55.365 --> 0:11:57.965 a French soccer player. Randomly we met them like on 0:11:57.965 --> 0:12:00.685 the street. He was like driving past his Lamborghini or something. Yeah, 0:12:00.725 --> 0:12:01.285 we're eighteen. 0:12:01.365 --> 0:12:03.285 I was like blah, blah blah. And we went out 0:12:03.285 --> 0:12:04.685 to Yeah. 0:12:04.725 --> 0:12:06.845 I was trying to say that I played soccer for 0:12:06.845 --> 0:12:08.765 Australia and they were all kind of just laughing at me. 0:12:08.805 --> 0:12:10.525 And it was like something in my life I could 0:12:10.565 --> 0:12:14.045 never like rebut and never chime in with something smarter 0:12:14.125 --> 0:12:16.125 us or sarcastic, and because. 0:12:15.845 --> 0:12:17.645 I didn't have all the language. 0:12:17.925 --> 0:12:19.765 So my friend actually and I just went out every 0:12:19.885 --> 0:12:23.045 night to nightclubs for about probably like ten months, and 0:12:23.125 --> 0:12:25.365 I mean I met some whack people, but it was 0:12:25.445 --> 0:12:29.445 great and I really became quite fluent in French. And 0:12:29.445 --> 0:12:30.925 then I was like, you know, I hadn't studied it 0:12:30.965 --> 0:12:32.325 at school, so I knew how to whip out the 0:12:32.365 --> 0:12:34.725 subjunctive tents or like impress people and stuff. But I 0:12:34.805 --> 0:12:37.445 do speak very fast in French, so people to you, 0:12:37.485 --> 0:12:39.725 is it very hard. 0:12:39.805 --> 0:12:43.365 I lived in Italy for two years and yeah, the speed, 0:12:43.685 --> 0:12:46.925 the boo. I was just I just could never get 0:12:46.925 --> 0:12:47.725 on board with it. 0:12:48.165 --> 0:12:48.765 I love it. 0:12:48.885 --> 0:12:50.885 I went there last years and took me over there, 0:12:50.925 --> 0:12:52.965 which is so kind and it was great, but it 0:12:53.045 --> 0:12:53.805 took me a few days. 0:12:53.805 --> 0:12:56.285 And I was listening to SBS French radio. 0:12:56.285 --> 0:12:58.885 Like walking around here for about a month beforehand, just 0:12:58.885 --> 0:13:01.165 to try and you know, get back in the zone 0:13:01.205 --> 0:13:02.845 because i'd arrive in people like, is it boring? 0:13:02.885 --> 0:13:03.965 I might, I just can't remember how. 0:13:05.885 --> 0:13:08.125 Well you do. You have to develop a different side 0:13:08.125 --> 0:13:10.725 of yourself when you're used to having so many words 0:13:10.725 --> 0:13:14.765 at your disposal and suddenly you don't have them. You 0:13:15.285 --> 0:13:18.805 have to be very you're very gestural, and you suddenly 0:13:18.845 --> 0:13:21.685 become a mime artist, which is appropriate for Paris. 0:13:22.125 --> 0:13:23.325 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:13:24.445 --> 0:13:28.165 And then at what point did you start to become 0:13:28.205 --> 0:13:29.245 a storyteller? 0:13:30.125 --> 0:13:30.365 I did. 0:13:30.365 --> 0:13:32.325 I write a script with my one of my best 0:13:32.325 --> 0:13:36.365 friends about that experience in Paris, Augusta Miller, and we 0:13:36.525 --> 0:13:37.605 worked on that for a few years. 0:13:37.645 --> 0:13:38.765 And I think it was just I was. 0:13:38.765 --> 0:13:42.725 Like nineteen and you know, I'd made maybe probably I 0:13:42.765 --> 0:13:45.125 was like twenty one, I'd made like four short films, 0:13:45.325 --> 0:13:47.045 and I just couldn't understand why I couldn't get a 0:13:47.085 --> 0:13:49.005 feature off the ground, like now you know, it takes 0:13:49.005 --> 0:13:51.445 like ten years and we're going to all the markets 0:13:51.445 --> 0:13:53.365 in cann and I really, you know, wanted to make 0:13:53.405 --> 0:13:53.885 that film. 0:13:53.885 --> 0:13:55.525 And then I met Michael White there. 0:13:55.485 --> 0:13:58.285 And I guess my experience of the documentary I wasn't 0:13:58.325 --> 0:14:01.285 interested in film school in it really at all, and 0:14:02.165 --> 0:14:05.685 I am fascinated by people and not knowing about topics 0:14:05.685 --> 0:14:07.445 and things because I guess I never went to university. 0:14:07.685 --> 0:14:08.925 So for me, I always see it as like a 0:14:08.965 --> 0:14:12.085 study of something, and I just found Michael this interesting 0:14:12.165 --> 0:14:14.245 character that I want to know more about. And it 0:14:14.285 --> 0:14:16.525 was like always heay to people making documentaries like jumping 0:14:16.525 --> 0:14:18.045 out a plane. If you've got the access and you've 0:14:18.045 --> 0:14:21.485 got a camera, any kind of camera, you can start storytelling. 0:14:21.525 --> 0:14:23.405 Whereas you know, making a film you've got to like 0:14:23.405 --> 0:14:25.365 get a script, you got to get everyone attached, you 0:14:25.405 --> 0:14:27.085 got to raise all the money before it kind of 0:14:27.165 --> 0:14:30.405 starts and you start filming. So for me, it was 0:14:30.445 --> 0:14:32.845 like Michael White was like the next logical step to 0:14:33.005 --> 0:14:37.205 just kind of be creative and yeah, tell a story. 0:14:37.245 --> 0:14:39.165 And so that's how I've kind of then shifted into 0:14:39.205 --> 0:14:40.245 the documentary world. 0:14:40.565 --> 0:14:42.285 You've had a lot of intense spirits, but I just 0:14:42.325 --> 0:14:46.005 want to get this right. You will jump from Deadlock 0:14:47.085 --> 0:14:51.285 to Heartbreak High. You're doing the Zimmerman fashion films and 0:14:51.405 --> 0:14:55.165 also you're working on Auto by Auto at the same time. 0:14:55.605 --> 0:14:56.365 What was that. 0:14:56.325 --> 0:14:58.845 Period like, I think for me, Yeah, coming back to 0:14:58.885 --> 0:15:01.285 Australia after living in LA for like three and a 0:15:01.285 --> 0:15:03.965 half years, and all of a sudden I got Bump 0:15:04.205 --> 0:15:06.925 And it was just when COVID started. I think I'd 0:15:06.925 --> 0:15:09.565 been offered a story that was like a kind of 0:15:09.565 --> 0:15:12.285 a whole thing on SBS or Bump, and I spoke 0:15:12.325 --> 0:15:14.125 to my friend Shanna Murphy and she said, do Bump 0:15:14.165 --> 0:15:15.725 because it's you're going to do the middle block and 0:15:15.765 --> 0:15:17.805 you'll show people that you can just come in and 0:15:17.845 --> 0:15:20.205 direct a block of TV. And then I had this 0:15:20.245 --> 0:15:22.525 film seriously read that was about to go and she 0:15:22.645 --> 0:15:24.325 was like, and you'll be so well oiled because it'll 0:15:24.365 --> 0:15:26.085 be like fast TV and then you'll be like on 0:15:26.165 --> 0:15:29.005 the film and I yeah, finished the film and then 0:15:29.125 --> 0:15:33.605 went straight onto Amazon like Sketch Comedy, straight into Heartbreak High, 0:15:33.845 --> 0:15:37.925 straight into Deadlock, then Yes, straight into Artful Dodger, straight 0:15:38.005 --> 0:15:40.765 back into like Ladies anyway, it went on went on 0:15:40.765 --> 0:15:42.565 for the last five years, but there was this period 0:15:42.565 --> 0:15:44.805 that was Yeah, actually ended up getting COVID in the 0:15:44.885 --> 0:15:46.525 in the four days I had off, but I was 0:15:46.525 --> 0:15:48.925 on heartbreak high. I'm doing the I've done the start 0:15:48.925 --> 0:15:50.205 and I was doing the end of it. I was 0:15:50.205 --> 0:15:52.965 doing the sound mix of my film. I was slipping 0:15:53.005 --> 0:15:55.085 in and not telling anyone while I was in post 0:15:55.125 --> 0:15:56.445 and pre on heartbreak high that I was going to 0:15:56.525 --> 0:15:59.445 do this one day hey shoot for Zimmerman and I 0:15:59.485 --> 0:16:01.325 was trying to interview all the last people for the 0:16:01.365 --> 0:16:05.765 documentary on Zoom and I had COVID as well, So that. 0:16:05.685 --> 0:16:08.685 Was that was a hectic. Yeah, that was a hectic time. 0:16:08.805 --> 0:16:11.525 But when you or doing those jobs at once, like, 0:16:11.645 --> 0:16:14.525 how do you nourish yourself? 0:16:16.565 --> 0:16:17.885 Like I did take care of myself. 0:16:18.005 --> 0:16:21.605 Yeah, like very well, Like I think I yeah, I 0:16:21.605 --> 0:16:23.485 think I've just realized in the last few weeks, I 0:16:23.565 --> 0:16:24.845 was like, I kind of really want to have some 0:16:24.925 --> 0:16:25.405 fun again. 0:16:25.485 --> 0:16:26.845 And you know, that's why I was great going not 0:16:26.925 --> 0:16:28.205 to the Actor Awards, I just going. 0:16:28.085 --> 0:16:29.805 To dinner with friends or going to like a few 0:16:29.845 --> 0:16:31.965 events and parties that I haven't been to and just 0:16:32.485 --> 0:16:34.245 getting you know, that's why I kind of really want 0:16:34.285 --> 0:16:35.925 to go away again because that was always my way 0:16:35.965 --> 0:16:40.085 of getting some kind of creating first or like feeling 0:16:40.085 --> 0:16:41.205 an inspiration again. 0:16:41.845 --> 0:16:43.965 So it's been hard. I've been very I'm very tunnel 0:16:44.005 --> 0:16:44.445 vision though. 0:16:44.485 --> 0:16:46.485 So when I work, you know, like I kind of 0:16:47.005 --> 0:16:49.685 work all weekend and you know, work nights, and you know, 0:16:49.685 --> 0:16:51.285 I don't have kids and don't have a partner, so 0:16:51.325 --> 0:16:53.965 it's kind of like I am able to make that 0:16:54.005 --> 0:16:57.605 sacrifice and I love working, like you know, I just yeah, 0:16:57.685 --> 0:17:00.045 I am someone who's kind of always been driven by 0:17:00.085 --> 0:17:03.005 work first, and that makes me, you know, feel good. 0:17:03.565 --> 0:17:07.285 Your link with fashion is one of the things that 0:17:07.365 --> 0:17:12.005 I find so surprising because there's a real groundedness in 0:17:12.125 --> 0:17:15.165 you that I also see in your mum Sue that 0:17:15.245 --> 0:17:19.125 you show really beautifully in the docco. But it's not 0:17:19.165 --> 0:17:22.605 something that you normally associate with fashion because fashion is 0:17:22.685 --> 0:17:26.445 sort of seen as being aloof maybe you know, it's 0:17:26.485 --> 0:17:30.645 never basic and it's always kind of lofty, and yet 0:17:30.725 --> 0:17:35.525 you're so immersed it's become a seamless part of your 0:17:35.565 --> 0:17:36.725 repertoire as well. 0:17:37.525 --> 0:17:40.325 I'm so unfashionable, Like I literally wear black out of 0:17:40.325 --> 0:17:42.485 our shorts and a black t shirt every day and 0:17:43.325 --> 0:17:44.885 shay sneakers are. 0:17:47.365 --> 0:17:49.405 They'll be fashion. I've always been interested. 0:17:49.085 --> 0:17:51.565 In fashion, not as much as Dad, Like Dad would 0:17:51.605 --> 0:17:53.925 spend the whole day like flinting this out for an event, 0:17:54.445 --> 0:17:54.885 but I did. 0:17:55.045 --> 0:17:56.485 I kind of thought about it all when I went. 0:17:56.565 --> 0:17:59.005 Zimmerman took me over last year when they had one 0:17:59.045 --> 0:18:00.645 of Dad's prints and they put it on a dress 0:18:00.685 --> 0:18:03.165 and they kindly, just so awesome invited me to Paris 0:18:03.165 --> 0:18:06.925 for the show and the dress opened their Paris Fashion 0:18:06.965 --> 0:18:10.085 Week collection, And yeah, I remember being really nervous going 0:18:10.085 --> 0:18:11.405 to the event because I was like, well, I know, 0:18:11.445 --> 0:18:13.565 I was really gonna take my photo anyway, but I 0:18:13.605 --> 0:18:15.325 was like sitting in the front row and I was only, God, 0:18:15.365 --> 0:18:17.845