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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom and Mia podcast. Mama Miya

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Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this

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Speaker 2: If I look at the end of the film now

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Speaker 2: and Dad's kind of asking me who I am, and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go see Dad in a minute, and

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Speaker 2: he has no idea who I am. Last year he

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Speaker 2: went from walking around the park one day to basically

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Speaker 2: never walking again. It's like two hundred different light bulbs

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Speaker 2: shut off and you go, oh, right, great, those thirty

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Speaker 1: Now without even realizing it. You'll know the name Otto,

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Speaker 1: whether it's actor Miranda Otto or Australian performing royalty Barry Otto,

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Speaker 1: or his youngest daughter my guest today director and filmmaker

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Speaker 1: Gracie Otto. If you haven't heard of her, you'll definitely

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Speaker 1: know her work because of the past five years she's

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Speaker 1: been working back to back on projects directing Australian series

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Speaker 1: entire time. He may have watched The Other Guy Deadlocke,

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Speaker 1: The Artful Dodger, or the cult phenomenon Heartbreak High. But

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Speaker 1: what has recently put Grace's name everywhere is her actor

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Speaker 1: award winning film Otto by Otto, a documentary following her

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Speaker 1: father as he prepares to premiere a one man show.

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Speaker 1: What makes this film heartbreakingly beautiful is that, over the

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Speaker 1: years she's spent documenting him, the film that began as

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Speaker 1: a tribute to his career became a deeply personal story

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Speaker 1: about watching his Alzheimer's diagnosis unfold before her eyes, as

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Speaker 1: Graceie fought to capture as much of the man she

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Speaker 1: very humble, but also a fascinating person. Though she's only

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Speaker 1: read two books in her life, she's deeply immersed in

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Speaker 1: art and culture. A woman most comfortable when dressed in

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Speaker 1: Nike tracksuits, yet she directs multimillion dollar fashion films. She

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Speaker 1: all in her attempt to learn how to be an

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Speaker 1: I managed to catch Gracie during her rare three week

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Speaker 1: break right before she dies into her next project. And

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Speaker 1: knowing her she might not come up for air for

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Speaker 1: another five years. Gracie Otto, welcome to No Filter.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having met.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we haven't had you yet, but we will.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well yeah, I'll save my thanks to the end.

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Speaker 1: It's quite an achievement to get you here, because you are.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's an exaggeration one of the busiest

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Speaker 1: people wouldn't even realize how much of your work they know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I always yeah, people are like, how

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Speaker 2: long you've been in the industry for and really like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I've been working since I was like eighteen,

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Speaker 2: after film school, making things on it, you know, fashion films,

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Speaker 3: Like trying to do everything.

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Speaker 2: But obviously in the last few years people are kind

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Speaker 1: You do span an extraordinary sort of breadth of material, really,

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Speaker 1: like You've got, you know, Ladies in Black, or Heartbreak

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Speaker 1: High or your new film the docco about your family,

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Speaker 1: which I have to say is so extraordinary that I

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Speaker 3: Heart felt like that making it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm not surprised. But my takeaway from it,

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Speaker 3: Loved by her father, Yes, which is rare.

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Speaker 1: When did you realize the weight of the surname?

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Speaker 2: I guess growing up, you know, people knew, people knew

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Speaker 2: Dad is not really you know people at school or

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Speaker 3: On a lot of the Rings on my school holidays and.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about the book or the movie

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Speaker 2: You know, you'd see them on a show or go

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Speaker 1: But when you were at school, your interests you were sporty.

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Speaker 2: And then later I read Howard Hughes's biography. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Because you would have thought, probably, I mean, your your

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Speaker 3: I did drama at school.

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Speaker 2: I did Stephen Burkoff piece that I remember they had

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Speaker 2: And that was the only time I actually saw Dad

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting thing in the docco that you see

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Speaker 2: Dad did mostly theater and like even Belvoir at the time,

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what exactly the structured contracts, but everyone

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Speaker 2: then Mum's always been like, you know, extremely left wing

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of normality in that.

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Speaker 1: The normality is very as I said, very grounding for you.

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Speaker 1: But then your life has also been extraordinary, starting with,

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Speaker 2: I just got dressed to go to kindergarten like a

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Speaker 2: just let her go.

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Speaker 3: So I finished.

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Speaker 2: I actually finished year twelve, I think I was. I

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Speaker 2: I played soccer in Greece. I was on a tour

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Speaker 2: of in motion.

439
00:19:38,565 --> 00:19:40,565
Speaker 3: And then my other brain's going, well, what else can

440
00:19:40,605 --> 00:19:41,365
Speaker 3: we do? You know?

441
00:19:41,725 --> 00:19:42,405
Speaker 1: What else is that?

442
00:19:42,525 --> 00:19:45,405
Speaker 3: Thinking about that dress? Now?

443
00:19:45,885 --> 00:19:47,765
Speaker 1: This is the dress that you ended up wearing to

444
00:19:47,845 --> 00:19:51,005
Speaker 1: the actors. Yeah, it's got your dad's art on it.

445
00:19:51,005 --> 00:19:53,685
Speaker 1: It's the most spectacular dress.

446
00:19:54,125 --> 00:19:55,965
Speaker 2: It was just a yeah were you coincidence where I'd

447
00:19:55,965 --> 00:19:59,045
Speaker 2: posted a photo dad's one day on Instagram Stories and

448
00:19:59,125 --> 00:20:00,925
Speaker 2: Nikki called me and goes, what is that? And I

449
00:20:01,005 --> 00:20:04,285
Speaker 2: was like, oh, something Dad did and she was like, well, oh,

450
00:20:04,325 --> 00:20:05,565
Speaker 2: it's kind of like really to.

451
00:20:05,525 --> 00:20:06,525
Speaker 3: Do with my new collection.

452
00:20:06,605 --> 00:20:08,285
Speaker 2: And then we started talking and you know, because we

453
00:20:08,325 --> 00:20:10,765
Speaker 2: didn't really hang out much during those COVID I did

454
00:20:10,805 --> 00:20:13,205
Speaker 2: four big shows for them, and there's you know, it's

455
00:20:13,245 --> 00:20:16,005
Speaker 2: such a machine as like, you know, twour people who

456
00:20:16,045 --> 00:20:16,405
Speaker 2: work on it.

457
00:20:16,445 --> 00:20:17,925
Speaker 3: There's people doing content, people doing this.

458
00:20:18,005 --> 00:20:21,125
Speaker 2: I was curely just directing the Runway show and so

459
00:20:21,205 --> 00:20:23,285
Speaker 2: she's so busy and stuff. So I've become really good

460
00:20:23,445 --> 00:20:25,365
Speaker 2: friends with them and they're such a great they're such

461
00:20:25,405 --> 00:20:27,485
Speaker 2: a great family. She's such an amazing you know, the

462
00:20:27,525 --> 00:20:30,325
Speaker 2: whole holes in them family are just incredible what they've done.

463
00:20:30,765 --> 00:20:34,005
Speaker 1: How did you first get involved with them?

464
00:20:34,045 --> 00:20:37,205
Speaker 2: Evolved through a friend who was like who became a

465
00:20:37,245 --> 00:20:39,205
Speaker 2: friend as someone who reached out on Instagram and they

466
00:20:39,245 --> 00:20:43,445
Speaker 2: were producing I think the set design this company called Riser, Yeah,

467
00:20:43,485 --> 00:20:45,405
Speaker 2: and it kind of came about and I was, yeah,

468
00:20:45,925 --> 00:20:47,565
Speaker 2: just thinking, oh, that could be really interesting because it

469
00:20:47,645 --> 00:20:50,365
Speaker 2: was such a different working with big set design and

470
00:20:50,365 --> 00:20:52,645
Speaker 2: pieces and five cameras at once, which is very much

471
00:20:52,645 --> 00:20:54,845
Speaker 2: like playing soccer, like how to move all the cameras

472
00:20:54,845 --> 00:20:56,605
Speaker 2: so that they don't see each other, and it's like

473
00:20:56,685 --> 00:20:58,725
Speaker 2: a different you know. I really like different art forms

474
00:20:58,765 --> 00:21:01,165
Speaker 2: like that. That's why I like commercials or like short

475
00:21:01,205 --> 00:21:05,005
Speaker 2: films like you know, fashion, documentary features, TV. Like it's

476
00:21:05,005 --> 00:21:07,165
Speaker 2: all a different kind of race, you know, It's like

477
00:21:07,205 --> 00:21:09,285
Speaker 2: doing athletics. That's how I explained. It's like, you know,

478
00:21:09,565 --> 00:21:11,125
Speaker 2: I like to one hundred meter, you know, but I

479
00:21:11,165 --> 00:21:12,325
Speaker 2: also like fifteen hundred.

480
00:21:15,605 --> 00:21:19,125
Speaker 1: That's not all of my conversation with Graciotto. After this

481
00:21:19,245 --> 00:21:22,525
Speaker 1: quick break, we talk about when Gracie realized she was

482
00:21:22,525 --> 00:21:25,685
Speaker 1: making a different film to the one she thought she

483
00:21:25,805 --> 00:21:35,925
Speaker 1: was making. We'll be right back. Well, also, I would

484
00:21:35,965 --> 00:21:38,805
Speaker 1: imagine it's a funny feeling walking onto a set when

485
00:21:38,845 --> 00:21:42,605
Speaker 1: the set is your house and your home and the

486
00:21:42,645 --> 00:21:46,045
Speaker 1: subject is your dad, and you're kind of opening up

487
00:21:46,085 --> 00:21:47,685
Speaker 1: that aspect of your life.

488
00:21:49,045 --> 00:21:51,205
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting because I guess on the doco

489
00:21:51,685 --> 00:21:53,725
Speaker 2: I shot, like, I was a bit embarrassed on the

490
00:21:53,725 --> 00:21:56,325
Speaker 2: cinematographer on it because I shot most of the documentary.

491
00:21:56,365 --> 00:21:59,565
Speaker 2: But I had a different relationship with dad obviously than

492
00:22:00,045 --> 00:22:03,005
Speaker 2: a camera person. So a lot of the greatest stuff

493
00:22:03,005 --> 00:22:05,685
Speaker 2: we should I shot or whatever it was on the iPhone,

494
00:22:06,085 --> 00:22:07,885
Speaker 2: you know, So that was an interesting medium as well,

495
00:22:07,965 --> 00:22:11,405
Speaker 2: like watching documentaries and kind of who's done iPhone footage? Well,

496
00:22:11,445 --> 00:22:13,645
Speaker 2: because it's such a like I say to young filmmakers,

497
00:22:13,645 --> 00:22:15,445
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you shoot on like you know,

498
00:22:15,485 --> 00:22:17,525
Speaker 2: they say that the dad only admits.

499
00:22:17,205 --> 00:22:19,405
Speaker 3: He killed someone once, Like you gotta get round of it.

500
00:22:19,525 --> 00:22:21,445
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's some kind of beauty and that more

501
00:22:21,485 --> 00:22:24,485
Speaker 2: fly on the wall style stuff. I mean, Yeah, it

502
00:22:24,525 --> 00:22:27,765
Speaker 2: was interesting seeing it back at the film Festival and yeah,

503
00:22:27,805 --> 00:22:29,925
Speaker 2: because it's just yeah, it's just kind of like I mean,

504
00:22:29,925 --> 00:22:31,925
Speaker 2: I post a lot of Instagram stories, so people who

505
00:22:32,005 --> 00:22:34,325
Speaker 2: like follow me on Instagram kind of have a bit

506
00:22:34,365 --> 00:22:37,285
Speaker 2: of an insight into, you know, my life with Dad.

507
00:22:37,405 --> 00:22:41,845
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was such a long journey making that film.

508
00:22:42,245 --> 00:22:45,365
Speaker 1: It was the iPhone footage probably was part of the

509
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:47,085
Speaker 1: reason also that it felt so intimate.

510
00:22:48,125 --> 00:22:51,325
Speaker 3: Yeah, and really it was like, I mean a huge testament.

511
00:22:51,325 --> 00:22:54,245
Speaker 2: Like Karen Johnson, my editor, and Cody green wooded to

512
00:22:54,245 --> 00:22:57,125
Speaker 2: Color Donahue, my producers, like they really like if it

513
00:22:57,165 --> 00:22:59,685
Speaker 2: wasn't for them, the film would have never because you know,

514
00:22:59,685 --> 00:23:01,645
Speaker 2: it was about a man. It was about a father

515
00:23:01,725 --> 00:23:03,765
Speaker 2: doing a one man show. That's what I want to do.

516
00:23:03,965 --> 00:23:06,085
Speaker 2: Like I'm not I'm not someone who likes I'm quite

517
00:23:06,125 --> 00:23:08,925
Speaker 2: a vulnerable person. I don't like to ever have a

518
00:23:09,005 --> 00:23:11,605
Speaker 2: cry or tell anyone my feelings or give anyone a hug.

519
00:23:11,605 --> 00:23:13,325
Speaker 2: Everyone knows that on set, like they might an actor

520
00:23:13,405 --> 00:23:14,885
Speaker 2: might get a hug at the end of a shoot

521
00:23:14,965 --> 00:23:16,485
Speaker 2: because I'm like, well done.

522
00:23:16,845 --> 00:23:19,525
Speaker 3: I'm not like a huge, you know, feelings person.

523
00:23:19,725 --> 00:23:21,885
Speaker 2: So it was really like, all of a sudden, I

524
00:23:21,925 --> 00:23:23,965
Speaker 2: was like, wow, this is like a really raw feelings

525
00:23:24,765 --> 00:23:27,845
Speaker 2: and they really you know, and Karen spent months by

526
00:23:27,925 --> 00:23:32,365
Speaker 2: herself really crafting that documentary because like I was busy

527
00:23:32,445 --> 00:23:35,085
Speaker 2: obviously working on TV, and I wanted to do the

528
00:23:35,125 --> 00:23:37,045
Speaker 2: film and I wanted to finish it, and I wanted

529
00:23:37,085 --> 00:23:38,085
Speaker 2: to be part of it and all of that.

530
00:23:38,205 --> 00:23:39,405
Speaker 3: But I also was kind of like.

531
00:23:39,365 --> 00:23:43,445
Speaker 2: Living it as well, so it wasn't like, you know,

532
00:23:43,485 --> 00:23:45,405
Speaker 2: it wasn't like, oh, yeah, I can't wait to go

533
00:23:45,445 --> 00:23:48,125
Speaker 2: over and like shoot some more stuff like because it Yeah,

534
00:23:48,125 --> 00:23:50,285
Speaker 2: it was a weird thing of kind of kind of yeah,

535
00:23:50,325 --> 00:23:53,325
Speaker 2: I guess what mentally, I guess expression I was going

536
00:23:53,365 --> 00:23:55,645
Speaker 2: through at the time. Like I was talking to Mum

537
00:23:55,725 --> 00:23:58,085
Speaker 2: last night about it, because I was thinking, oh, you know,

538
00:23:58,125 --> 00:23:59,885
Speaker 2: there was someone who got up at Sydney Film Vessel

539
00:23:59,885 --> 00:24:01,405
Speaker 2: and said, oh, she should have stoped filming at the

540
00:24:01,445 --> 00:24:02,645
Speaker 2: end when he was sick, and.

541
00:24:02,605 --> 00:24:03,205
Speaker 3: You know whatever.

542
00:24:03,245 --> 00:24:04,525
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, maybe they're going to ask

543
00:24:04,565 --> 00:24:06,885
Speaker 2: me about that tomorrow on the podcast. And we were

544
00:24:06,925 --> 00:24:08,565
Speaker 2: just talking about it when I was driving last night.

545
00:24:08,565 --> 00:24:10,605
Speaker 2: I said, you know, it's just because like, until you

546
00:24:10,685 --> 00:24:15,325
Speaker 2: really go through Alzheimer's as a family, everyone's experience is

547
00:24:15,325 --> 00:24:18,605
Speaker 2: different and it's really hard to work out the miles,

548
00:24:18,645 --> 00:24:20,445
Speaker 2: not the milestones, so that's the worst word to use

549
00:24:20,485 --> 00:24:23,525
Speaker 2: for it, but work out the milestones of where that

550
00:24:23,565 --> 00:24:25,565
Speaker 2: person is, like if I look at the end of

551
00:24:25,565 --> 00:24:27,365
Speaker 2: the film now and Dad's kind of asking me who

552
00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:29,005
Speaker 2: I am, and he's a bit confused, but he kind.

553
00:24:28,845 --> 00:24:29,685
Speaker 3: Of knows I'm someone.

554
00:24:29,805 --> 00:24:31,445
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to go see Dad in a minute,

555
00:24:31,445 --> 00:24:33,005
Speaker 2: and he has no idea who I am.

556
00:24:33,565 --> 00:24:35,085
Speaker 3: And he can barely walk anymore.

557
00:24:35,205 --> 00:24:37,005
Speaker 2: But like you know, when I was in Darwin filming

558
00:24:37,045 --> 00:24:38,725
Speaker 2: last year, he went from walking around the park one

559
00:24:38,765 --> 00:24:42,205
Speaker 2: day to basically never walking again. And you kind of go, oh,

560
00:24:42,205 --> 00:24:44,165
Speaker 2: that happened. That happened really suddenly. You can see that

561
00:24:44,165 --> 00:24:46,885
Speaker 2: that milestone, you know, was like now that his bed

562
00:24:46,925 --> 00:24:48,725
Speaker 2: there's been moved downstairs and he lives in the living

563
00:24:48,765 --> 00:24:49,125
Speaker 2: room at.

564
00:24:49,045 --> 00:24:49,845
Speaker 3: The pink pong table.

565
00:24:50,165 --> 00:24:52,765
Speaker 2: You know, that happened, like yeah, and that happened like overnight,

566
00:24:52,765 --> 00:24:55,365
Speaker 2: whereas there's other stuff where it kind of you know,

567
00:24:56,045 --> 00:24:58,805
Speaker 2: would take years to figure out. You go, oh, he totally,

568
00:24:59,005 --> 00:25:01,085
Speaker 2: he totally gets it. And then you're like, oh, no, yeah,

569
00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:04,045
Speaker 2: he's really not understanding anything. So I think it's such

570
00:25:04,085 --> 00:25:06,525
Speaker 2: a personal different journey.

571
00:25:06,965 --> 00:25:09,165
Speaker 1: As you said, you were starting to make a doc

572
00:25:09,405 --> 00:25:12,805
Speaker 1: about your dad who wanted to do a one man play.

573
00:25:14,205 --> 00:25:17,565
Speaker 1: It was kind of a it was a really gorgeous

574
00:25:18,245 --> 00:25:21,285
Speaker 1: you know collusion of your skills and his skills, and

575
00:25:21,445 --> 00:25:23,525
Speaker 1: this is something we're going to do together. And through

576
00:25:23,525 --> 00:25:25,685
Speaker 1: the course of the film it becomes apparent that this

577
00:25:25,845 --> 00:25:29,965
Speaker 1: is really not going to be possible. At what point

578
00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:33,885
Speaker 1: did you realize that you were telling a very different

579
00:25:34,005 --> 00:25:36,165
Speaker 1: story than you thought you were going to tell.

580
00:25:36,965 --> 00:25:41,165
Speaker 2: I feel that we finished filming probably in twenty nineteen twenty,

581
00:25:41,325 --> 00:25:43,485
Speaker 2: and now I just got really busy on TV for

582
00:25:43,525 --> 00:25:45,485
Speaker 2: like two years, and we took them like I took

583
00:25:45,485 --> 00:25:48,245
Speaker 2: a break from it because it was kind of like, yeah,

584
00:25:48,245 --> 00:25:50,685
Speaker 2: what is like we were originally going to maybe film

585
00:25:50,765 --> 00:25:52,805
Speaker 2: some segments of this monologue at the play he wanted

586
00:25:52,805 --> 00:25:54,885
Speaker 2: to do maybe we could do something like that, and

587
00:25:54,925 --> 00:25:57,205
Speaker 2: I kept trying to, you know, say that to Dad,

588
00:25:57,205 --> 00:25:59,605
Speaker 2: but he wasn't interested in that because he hadn't come

589
00:25:59,645 --> 00:26:01,685
Speaker 2: to the realization he couldn't do it. Like we both

590
00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:03,765
Speaker 2: were kind of coming to that realization. But as I

591
00:26:03,805 --> 00:26:05,965
Speaker 2: say in the film, he would push through and do

592
00:26:06,045 --> 00:26:09,005
Speaker 2: anything for me. And likewise, so was this, you know, Mike,

593
00:26:09,085 --> 00:26:10,565
Speaker 2: we said, we're not very good at feelings. It was

594
00:26:10,605 --> 00:26:13,405
Speaker 2: this awkward kind of thing where it was like, you know,

595
00:26:13,485 --> 00:26:15,645
Speaker 2: this season't going to happen. This play's not going to happen,

596
00:26:15,685 --> 00:26:17,685
Speaker 2: but I do want to still make the film of him,

597
00:26:17,725 --> 00:26:20,005
Speaker 2: and I want him to be, you know, proud that

598
00:26:20,045 --> 00:26:21,325
Speaker 2: he's in it, and I don't want him to think

599
00:26:21,325 --> 00:26:23,605
Speaker 2: it's a failure because it's not what we set out

600
00:26:23,645 --> 00:26:26,125
Speaker 2: to do. And then it was kind of after you know,

601
00:26:26,245 --> 00:26:29,205
Speaker 2: COVID and everything, it was you know, quite obvious that

602
00:26:29,245 --> 00:26:31,445
Speaker 2: then that was never going to happen. And then it

603
00:26:31,485 --> 00:26:34,245
Speaker 2: was like this race to kind of just keep madly

604
00:26:34,325 --> 00:26:37,925
Speaker 2: filming because yeah, so he would not forget who we

605
00:26:37,925 --> 00:26:39,725
Speaker 2: were or something like. For me, it was kind of like,

606
00:26:39,805 --> 00:26:41,645
Speaker 2: let's oh, I just want to like, you know, capture

607
00:26:41,645 --> 00:26:44,085
Speaker 2: everything about him now because it's going, it's going.

608
00:26:44,085 --> 00:26:45,605
Speaker 3: I can see it like just disappearing.

609
00:26:46,445 --> 00:26:50,445
Speaker 1: Was there a distance in you as Graciotto who's making

610
00:26:50,485 --> 00:26:56,685
Speaker 1: a docco versus Graciotto, the daughter who's watching her dad

611
00:26:57,125 --> 00:26:58,365
Speaker 1: in this decline?

612
00:26:59,085 --> 00:27:01,005
Speaker 2: No, Like, I guess there is a distance in it

613
00:27:01,085 --> 00:27:04,605
Speaker 2: because because we knew each other so well, and then

614
00:27:04,845 --> 00:27:10,205
Speaker 2: as it goes on, he doesn't like kind of by

615
00:27:10,245 --> 00:27:12,685
Speaker 2: the end. That was the last thing I shot actually

616
00:27:12,805 --> 00:27:15,045
Speaker 2: was I went and he had an air tag and

617
00:27:15,085 --> 00:27:16,805
Speaker 2: I was I think I was on a heartbreak high

618
00:27:16,845 --> 00:27:18,325
Speaker 2: in Post and I had it on my phone because

619
00:27:18,405 --> 00:27:20,005
Speaker 2: Mum hadn't set it up, and he's the hot Chips

620
00:27:20,005 --> 00:27:21,685
Speaker 2: and I could see where he was because he would

621
00:27:21,685 --> 00:27:23,965
Speaker 2: go out and just walk and get lost. And I

622
00:27:24,005 --> 00:27:26,485
Speaker 2: saw he was in like Broadway, which is so far

623
00:27:26,525 --> 00:27:28,765
Speaker 2: from our house. And I called Mum and she was

624
00:27:28,805 --> 00:27:30,205
Speaker 2: at work, and so I just got in the car

625
00:27:30,245 --> 00:27:32,245
Speaker 2: from Post and was like, I've got to go find him.

626
00:27:32,685 --> 00:27:33,365
Speaker 3: And I had to go.

627
00:27:33,405 --> 00:27:34,805
Speaker 2: And he was just walking out of the street and

628
00:27:34,805 --> 00:27:36,885
Speaker 2: I was like, I remember that when I was like that,

629
00:27:36,925 --> 00:27:38,285
Speaker 2: he was not really going to be sure who I

630
00:27:38,325 --> 00:27:40,165
Speaker 2: am out of context, and I pulled up and said, hey,

631
00:27:40,205 --> 00:27:42,165
Speaker 2: I think you know you should get like a you know,

632
00:27:42,165 --> 00:27:43,285
Speaker 2: AIG guy came.

633
00:27:43,285 --> 00:27:45,125
Speaker 3: Kid in the car, like, I think you kind of should.

634
00:27:44,885 --> 00:27:46,125
Speaker 2: Come in the car with me, and I had a

635
00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:49,085
Speaker 2: bottle of water for him, and he was like kind

636
00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:51,485
Speaker 2: of just yeah, really confused, and we drove home.

637
00:27:51,525 --> 00:27:53,005
Speaker 3: And then that's when I got home and he goes,

638
00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:55,085
Speaker 3: who is everyone?

639
00:27:55,525 --> 00:27:58,485
Speaker 2: And I was like, right, okay, I'm going to show you.

640
00:27:58,565 --> 00:28:00,605
Speaker 2: And i'd been watching a Louis the Row documentary a

641
00:28:00,605 --> 00:28:03,405
Speaker 2: few times. He did a whole series on dementia and Alzheimer's,

642
00:28:03,445 --> 00:28:05,605
Speaker 2: which is quite interesting because it's like I would watch

643
00:28:05,645 --> 00:28:07,605
Speaker 2: it at different points throughout the year and go, oh,

644
00:28:07,685 --> 00:28:10,165
Speaker 2: Dad's like kind of the first early pat and then

645
00:28:10,205 --> 00:28:13,445
Speaker 2: now he's there and there's this amazing woman who's like,

646
00:28:13,845 --> 00:28:15,805
Speaker 2: you just think, God that she's totally fine. She's got

647
00:28:15,805 --> 00:28:18,605
Speaker 2: a kid, she's quite young, and she they get her

648
00:28:18,605 --> 00:28:20,765
Speaker 2: to draw a clock and she just draws a circle

649
00:28:20,805 --> 00:28:22,525
Speaker 2: and puts the number three in the corner of the

650
00:28:22,565 --> 00:28:23,245
Speaker 2: piece of paper.

651
00:28:23,365 --> 00:28:23,565
Speaker 1: Yeah.

652
00:28:23,845 --> 00:28:26,605
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow, you know, and she sadly our you know,

653
00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:28,845
Speaker 2: best friends we grew up with. Their mother got it

654
00:28:28,925 --> 00:28:31,085
Speaker 2: really young and she's you know, she's probably about five

655
00:28:31,165 --> 00:28:32,325
Speaker 2: years more advanced than dad.

656
00:28:32,365 --> 00:28:33,685
Speaker 3: And that's been. So that's been.

657
00:28:33,725 --> 00:28:35,125
Speaker 2: You know, they were at the premiere, which is really

658
00:28:35,205 --> 00:28:38,085
Speaker 2: nice because we went to primary school together and stuff,

659
00:28:38,125 --> 00:28:40,045
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I've been able to kind of I

660
00:28:40,045 --> 00:28:42,205
Speaker 2: had been able to watch what was happening with Janet

661
00:28:42,845 --> 00:28:45,845
Speaker 2: and seeing that that's what you know, Yeah, it's an inevitable,

662
00:28:46,285 --> 00:28:49,565
Speaker 2: terrible decline. That's like, yeah, now you're going to take

663
00:28:49,565 --> 00:28:50,725
Speaker 2: that away from them, you know.

664
00:28:50,965 --> 00:28:57,285
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And also it's so multifaceted because they're losing themselves.

665
00:28:57,325 --> 00:29:01,525
Speaker 1: But along the way they're also losing you. Yeah, and

666
00:29:02,245 --> 00:29:05,285
Speaker 1: those moments must just be very confronting.

667
00:29:06,605 --> 00:29:08,525
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think as I've been away a lot as well,

668
00:29:08,525 --> 00:29:10,285
Speaker 2: like I would fly back on the jobs to see

669
00:29:10,365 --> 00:29:12,085
Speaker 2: down every few weekends. But I think when we were

670
00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:15,605
Speaker 2: shooting Deadlock season two in Darwin, and you know, it

671
00:29:15,685 --> 00:29:17,205
Speaker 2: went from him being able to walk up the stairs

672
00:29:17,245 --> 00:29:19,605
Speaker 2: to his bedroom overnight to like my brother having a

673
00:29:19,645 --> 00:29:21,845
Speaker 2: movie his bed downstairs and kind of going he'll never

674
00:29:22,125 --> 00:29:24,765
Speaker 2: get to the staircase again, and go, I might want

675
00:29:24,765 --> 00:29:25,365
Speaker 2: to go up here.

676
00:29:26,125 --> 00:29:27,405
Speaker 3: That's that's gone now.

677
00:29:27,645 --> 00:29:28,925
Speaker 2: For me, I always say, it's like, you know, it's

678
00:29:28,925 --> 00:29:31,165
Speaker 2: like two hundred different light bulbs of everything you can do,

679
00:29:31,325 --> 00:29:34,565
Speaker 2: and they just start to shut off and you go, oh, right, great,

680
00:29:34,605 --> 00:29:36,485
Speaker 2: those thirty light bulbs just went off now and now

681
00:29:36,485 --> 00:29:38,365
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's not in a wheelchair yet. We

682
00:29:38,405 --> 00:29:40,845
Speaker 2: have nurses who come every day and he walks down

683
00:29:40,885 --> 00:29:42,125
Speaker 2: the road.

684
00:29:42,205 --> 00:29:44,365
Speaker 3: But yeah, he now can't really and he talks to mum.

685
00:29:44,405 --> 00:29:46,045
Speaker 2: He can say a sentence when he wants to, like

686
00:29:46,085 --> 00:29:47,725
Speaker 2: when he wants to tell you to go away, or

687
00:29:47,925 --> 00:29:49,405
Speaker 2: you know, when he's like because you don't.

688
00:29:49,205 --> 00:29:51,485
Speaker 3: Want to invade him, we'll get too close to him anymore.

689
00:29:51,725 --> 00:29:53,365
Speaker 2: You know, he can say something when he wants to,

690
00:29:53,445 --> 00:29:56,965
Speaker 2: but at the moment he's he doesn't really form sentences anymore.

691
00:29:56,965 --> 00:30:00,085
Speaker 2: So that's been like a huge, huge, sad decline in

692
00:30:00,125 --> 00:30:02,205
Speaker 2: the past year since the film's come out.

693
00:30:02,645 --> 00:30:07,365
Speaker 1: I remember reading someone talking about their mum with dementia

694
00:30:07,565 --> 00:30:11,325
Speaker 1: and saying, it's like watching and die a thousand times.

695
00:30:11,805 --> 00:30:13,485
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I know.

696
00:30:13,565 --> 00:30:16,045
Speaker 2: I think every Christmas, I'm like, oh, every Birthday with him,

697
00:30:16,245 --> 00:30:17,925
Speaker 2: I kind of got I didn't think he'd be here.

698
00:30:17,965 --> 00:30:21,245
Speaker 2: So now we're just like, yeah, mum's really determined to

699
00:30:21,325 --> 00:30:24,165
Speaker 2: keep him at home, which we're all supporting, and she's

700
00:30:24,205 --> 00:30:25,965
Speaker 2: you know, as I've said, she's like a hero.

701
00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:27,165
Speaker 3: She looks after him and.

702
00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:30,565
Speaker 2: Oh, she's incredible, and she's slowly starting to be able

703
00:30:30,605 --> 00:30:33,045
Speaker 2: to like kind of get a bit of her life

704
00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:35,605
Speaker 2: back in that way, Like now you can kind of

705
00:30:35,925 --> 00:30:38,005
Speaker 2: leave him for you know, an hour and come back

706
00:30:38,005 --> 00:30:40,005
Speaker 2: to him, and he sits in his chair all day.

707
00:30:40,045 --> 00:30:43,525
Speaker 2: There's no worry about his safety of like walking out

708
00:30:43,525 --> 00:30:46,525
Speaker 2: the door or anything like that anymore. So, you know,

709
00:30:46,605 --> 00:30:48,405
Speaker 2: but hopefully it mean soon we'll get to a stage

710
00:30:48,405 --> 00:30:50,045
Speaker 2: when you know, he doesn't go to the park anymore.

711
00:30:50,045 --> 00:30:51,805
Speaker 3: And it'd be nice. I think that's the next step.

712
00:30:51,845 --> 00:30:53,885
Speaker 2: When he's officially in the wheelchair, that will then be

713
00:30:53,885 --> 00:30:55,645
Speaker 2: able to wheel him out and you know that will

714
00:30:55,685 --> 00:30:57,325
Speaker 2: be a whole new chapter for him.

715
00:30:57,405 --> 00:30:59,485
Speaker 3: For the moment, we're just trying to keep him walking.

716
00:31:00,045 --> 00:31:04,085
Speaker 1: Gray. See the cats your dad's cats, can you say

717
00:31:04,165 --> 00:31:07,485
Speaker 1: in the doc ow and it's I think it will

718
00:31:07,525 --> 00:31:10,485
Speaker 1: resonate with so many people because you're you said, never

719
00:31:10,525 --> 00:31:12,685
Speaker 1: had a computer, didn't have a mobile phone, so kind

720
00:31:12,685 --> 00:31:16,125
Speaker 1: of lost touch with the with a lot of friends

721
00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:18,925
Speaker 1: and a lot of the outside world. But his greatest

722
00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:21,245
Speaker 1: loves are his cats.

723
00:31:21,845 --> 00:31:23,165
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's true.

724
00:31:23,205 --> 00:31:25,365
Speaker 2: And like Boga, I've got a little sticker with Boga

725
00:31:25,485 --> 00:31:26,325
Speaker 2: Bogat goes.

726
00:31:26,925 --> 00:31:29,685
Speaker 3: I'm someone made them for me, so I put them

727
00:31:29,685 --> 00:31:30,485
Speaker 3: on all the camera for me.

728
00:31:32,165 --> 00:31:35,285
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like Boga, like they're animals are amazing.

729
00:31:35,285 --> 00:31:37,005
Speaker 3: Like I know peop always say dogs are amazing. Cats

730
00:31:37,045 --> 00:31:37,765
Speaker 3: are amazing too.

731
00:31:38,165 --> 00:31:40,285
Speaker 2: But they know when someone done well, and they know

732
00:31:40,565 --> 00:31:43,565
Speaker 2: when like in Boga, for someone who's not a service dog,

733
00:31:43,685 --> 00:31:47,405
Speaker 2: she's a cat. She waits for him, She walks with him,

734
00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:48,805
Speaker 2: like when he used to walk around by himself. She

735
00:31:48,845 --> 00:31:50,965
Speaker 2: would walk next to him like she is someone that

736
00:31:51,085 --> 00:31:53,365
Speaker 2: like really protects him and she goes to bed with him.

737
00:31:53,365 --> 00:31:56,125
Speaker 3: It's like her routine every night. And that's you know,

738
00:31:56,165 --> 00:31:56,485
Speaker 3: part of.

739
00:31:56,405 --> 00:31:58,645
Speaker 2: The reason he's not in a home is because Mom

740
00:31:58,725 --> 00:32:00,845
Speaker 2: was like, I just can't take her away from the cats,

741
00:32:00,885 --> 00:32:03,525
Speaker 2: like you can get these kind of like Alzheimer's cats

742
00:32:03,525 --> 00:32:06,285
Speaker 2: that are like a toy that's kind of vibrating and

743
00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:08,325
Speaker 2: what he looked at those, but it's like, no, he

744
00:32:08,445 --> 00:32:10,125
Speaker 2: loves his cat and.

745
00:32:10,645 --> 00:32:12,965
Speaker 1: They know him so well. There he's familiar.

746
00:32:13,005 --> 00:32:17,405
Speaker 2: He still knows he calls them both Bella or Bobo

747
00:32:18,285 --> 00:32:18,805
Speaker 2: at the moment.

748
00:32:19,725 --> 00:32:22,565
Speaker 3: Yeah, he still he still knows their name, Mum. And

749
00:32:22,565 --> 00:32:25,565
Speaker 3: it will never forget my brother. He's always like Eddie,

750
00:32:25,605 --> 00:32:25,805
Speaker 3: you know.

751
00:32:26,845 --> 00:32:30,245
Speaker 1: And then when you are navigating, like you said someone

752
00:32:30,285 --> 00:32:32,445
Speaker 1: at the was at the film festival who said you

753
00:32:32,445 --> 00:32:35,925
Speaker 1: should have stopped filming or whatever when your dad got sick,

754
00:32:37,045 --> 00:32:41,605
Speaker 1: how do you discuss as a family Because in the

755
00:32:41,885 --> 00:32:46,525
Speaker 1: Docco and your dad, who's just such a naturally flamboyant

756
00:32:46,565 --> 00:32:50,725
Speaker 1: and extrovert and beautiful, mischievous character, and you have a

757
00:32:50,965 --> 00:32:54,765
Speaker 1: really lovely conversation with him about vanity where you say

758
00:32:54,805 --> 00:32:57,125
Speaker 1: to him, you know, do you think you're vain, and

759
00:32:57,165 --> 00:32:59,965
Speaker 1: he goes, of course, I'm vain. And so later on

760
00:33:00,365 --> 00:33:04,485
Speaker 1: in the doco when we see him post his hip surgery,

761
00:33:05,485 --> 00:33:12,565
Speaker 1: and that's a real moment of fudding cruelty really for

762
00:33:12,685 --> 00:33:17,205
Speaker 1: all of us when we realize, oh fuck, it's this

763
00:33:17,285 --> 00:33:22,085
Speaker 1: is it? How do you as a family, how did

764
00:33:22,085 --> 00:33:25,205
Speaker 1: you decide what to show, what to share.

765
00:33:25,885 --> 00:33:29,365
Speaker 2: It's interesting because that scene, we weren't aware he had

766
00:33:29,525 --> 00:33:31,485
Speaker 2: Alzheimer's then, So when I was shooting him in the

767
00:33:31,525 --> 00:33:34,765
Speaker 2: hospital he went in for an operation. If you go

768
00:33:34,885 --> 00:33:37,005
Speaker 2: in for a hip operation or anything under general anesthetic

769
00:33:37,085 --> 00:33:40,645
Speaker 2: and you have Olzheimers can really rapidly increase it. And

770
00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:43,085
Speaker 2: so it's interesting because all that footage that I'd shot,

771
00:33:43,325 --> 00:33:45,205
Speaker 2: like we weren't aware at the time, and watching any

772
00:33:45,205 --> 00:33:48,005
Speaker 2: of that footage fact that there was that that's you know,

773
00:33:48,005 --> 00:33:49,965
Speaker 2: when you see it in context over the few years,

774
00:33:49,965 --> 00:33:51,885
Speaker 2: you go, oh my god, like it's so obvious. Like

775
00:33:51,925 --> 00:33:54,525
Speaker 2: I see friends of mine, now I know all people's parents,

776
00:33:54,525 --> 00:33:55,845
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm not going to say to them,

777
00:33:55,885 --> 00:33:57,605
Speaker 2: I think your mum's got our Shimber's or your dad,

778
00:33:57,645 --> 00:34:00,085
Speaker 2: but I can kind of see the signs of really

779
00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:02,445
Speaker 2: early on things that people aren't aware of yet because

780
00:34:02,445 --> 00:34:05,125
Speaker 2: I've gone through it. But that scene, actually, I mean,

781
00:34:05,165 --> 00:34:07,085
Speaker 2: I kind of regret, but I get it. There was

782
00:34:07,125 --> 00:34:09,485
Speaker 2: a scene that the network. There was a funny scene

783
00:34:09,485 --> 00:34:11,605
Speaker 2: where he described doing a pooh to me and it

784
00:34:11,645 --> 00:34:14,565
Speaker 2: went on for like six minutes, and it's just hilarious

785
00:34:14,605 --> 00:34:16,925
Speaker 2: because he's like, it's so tragic that he's like sitting

786
00:34:16,925 --> 00:34:19,245
Speaker 2: there and he's like, you know, and he's talking about

787
00:34:19,285 --> 00:34:21,765
Speaker 2: this pood about how it looks like a chocolate gelato

788
00:34:21,805 --> 00:34:24,245
Speaker 2: or whatever, but it is kind of epidome of comedy

789
00:34:24,245 --> 00:34:27,005
Speaker 2: and tragedy and it's this in a way. I was

790
00:34:27,045 --> 00:34:30,125
Speaker 2: just like, when you know, people who had watched that screen,

791
00:34:30,165 --> 00:34:32,445
Speaker 2: agencies and stuff were like worried about that scene. I

792
00:34:32,485 --> 00:34:33,685
Speaker 2: took it out because I was like, I don't want

793
00:34:33,685 --> 00:34:36,125
Speaker 2: anyone to ever think that I would ever do anything

794
00:34:36,205 --> 00:34:39,085
Speaker 2: to hurt Dad or show him like not in the

795
00:34:39,125 --> 00:34:41,325
Speaker 2: best light, but in my true heart, I knew that

796
00:34:41,445 --> 00:34:43,685
Speaker 2: he would find that funny because that's why he was.

797
00:34:43,765 --> 00:34:45,645
Speaker 2: He was still trying to make me laugh and still

798
00:34:45,685 --> 00:34:49,045
Speaker 2: trying to engage in his funny way and not make

799
00:34:49,085 --> 00:34:51,325
Speaker 2: it sad. So it's interesting because I don't think it

800
00:34:51,365 --> 00:34:53,165
Speaker 2: was the scene that people were talking about, but there

801
00:34:53,205 --> 00:34:55,765
Speaker 2: was this whole other section to it that got cut

802
00:34:55,805 --> 00:34:58,365
Speaker 2: out and then I mean that was like that was

803
00:34:58,365 --> 00:35:01,605
Speaker 2: actually in twenty and eighteen that footage happened, so it

804
00:35:01,685 --> 00:35:05,085
Speaker 2: was obviously amplified by the operation. And then he ended

805
00:35:05,165 --> 00:35:07,925
Speaker 2: up kind of mentally, I guess with the Alzheimer's getting

806
00:35:08,005 --> 00:35:10,565
Speaker 2: to that state that he's like in now. But really,

807
00:35:10,805 --> 00:35:14,325
Speaker 2: you know, I stopped filming in twenty twenty I think

808
00:35:14,485 --> 00:35:16,525
Speaker 2: three that last shot of him at the end of

809
00:35:16,525 --> 00:35:18,845
Speaker 2: the film, and then it was kind of going, well,

810
00:35:18,885 --> 00:35:20,685
Speaker 2: we wanted to come out, like I really want to

811
00:35:20,685 --> 00:35:22,645
Speaker 2: finish the film while he was still alive, and then

812
00:35:22,685 --> 00:35:24,805
Speaker 2: it was like this push to kind of go, you know,

813
00:35:24,845 --> 00:35:27,805
Speaker 2: we could keep filming, but like the quality of life

814
00:35:27,805 --> 00:35:30,325
Speaker 2: and the sadness about the disease, like I feel like

815
00:35:30,325 --> 00:35:31,565
Speaker 2: it ended at the right time.

816
00:35:31,845 --> 00:35:33,405
Speaker 3: Like I don't put as much you.

817
00:35:33,405 --> 00:35:35,045
Speaker 2: Know, I put nice videos up because people are so

818
00:35:35,085 --> 00:35:37,645
Speaker 2: interested in Dabt on instagramly like he looks so chic

819
00:35:37,685 --> 00:35:39,325
Speaker 2: with his hat on and he's sitting in his chair.

820
00:35:39,725 --> 00:35:41,085
Speaker 3: But I'm definitely not filming.

821
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:43,205
Speaker 2: As much of him anymore because it's it kind of

822
00:35:43,205 --> 00:35:45,325
Speaker 2: feels like that's you know, we got to the end

823
00:35:45,405 --> 00:35:47,965
Speaker 2: of the film, and that was you know, how I

824
00:35:47,965 --> 00:35:48,805
Speaker 2: want to remember him.

825
00:35:49,805 --> 00:35:52,565
Speaker 1: When you refer to your dad's sense of humor, that

826
00:35:52,765 --> 00:35:57,685
Speaker 1: is just such an underlying nourishing thing in the film,

827
00:35:58,245 --> 00:36:02,245
Speaker 1: is that it's not obviously someone's decline is sad, but

828
00:36:02,405 --> 00:36:06,085
Speaker 1: we are all going one way or the other. But

829
00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:09,405
Speaker 1: the beauty of his humor and his engagement with you

830
00:36:10,365 --> 00:36:14,285
Speaker 1: is very uplifting in an extremely painful way.

831
00:36:15,405 --> 00:36:18,205
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well, thank you. Like trying to think what

832
00:36:18,285 --> 00:36:19,245
Speaker 3: the question was.

833
00:36:19,805 --> 00:36:22,965
Speaker 1: Well, I was it was really more about how you

834
00:36:23,005 --> 00:36:25,405
Speaker 1: discuss as a family, like what bits you're going to

835
00:36:25,525 --> 00:36:27,205
Speaker 1: leave in or what bits you're going to leave out?

836
00:36:27,565 --> 00:36:31,645
Speaker 1: Is it a family discussion or a project for you?

837
00:36:31,805 --> 00:36:36,125
Speaker 2: We definitely sent not the final cut, but what was

838
00:36:36,125 --> 00:36:38,725
Speaker 2: getting close to the final cut I sent to Miranda

839
00:36:38,805 --> 00:36:41,125
Speaker 2: and Mum because I think the moment was a.

840
00:36:41,045 --> 00:36:41,925
Speaker 3: Really hard process.

841
00:36:41,965 --> 00:36:43,605
Speaker 2: Like I think, you know, she didn't really want to

842
00:36:43,645 --> 00:36:45,365
Speaker 2: be part of it because she's so behind the scenes

843
00:36:45,405 --> 00:36:47,205
Speaker 2: person and I think, you know, there's a lot of

844
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,845
Speaker 2: anger that comes with Alzheimer's as well, and she copped

845
00:36:49,845 --> 00:36:52,165
Speaker 2: it for a few years from Dad, and people, you know,

846
00:36:52,245 --> 00:36:54,365
Speaker 2: don't realize that that, like they go. You know, they

847
00:36:54,365 --> 00:36:56,685
Speaker 2: can go through a very angry phase and usually take

848
00:36:56,685 --> 00:36:58,525
Speaker 2: it out on the person who cares about them the most.

849
00:36:58,965 --> 00:37:01,005
Speaker 2: So she had a really tough journey with him and

850
00:37:01,045 --> 00:37:03,765
Speaker 2: then it kind of turned and now like it's so sweet,

851
00:37:03,805 --> 00:37:05,845
Speaker 2: like the only person he care, like, the only person

852
00:37:05,885 --> 00:37:08,085
Speaker 2: he knows is Mum, and he gets so happy to

853
00:37:08,125 --> 00:37:09,565
Speaker 2: see her and she goes comes in and is in

854
00:37:09,565 --> 00:37:11,245
Speaker 2: the kiss and he's like a little you know, he's

855
00:37:11,245 --> 00:37:12,645
Speaker 2: like a little boy, Like he's like, you.

856
00:37:12,605 --> 00:37:14,925
Speaker 3: Know, he'll go Mama, like you know, because he doesn't

857
00:37:14,925 --> 00:37:16,885
Speaker 3: know who any one is, but he knows Mum.

858
00:37:17,285 --> 00:37:19,805
Speaker 2: And so she yeah, it was actually really amazing because

859
00:37:19,805 --> 00:37:21,285
Speaker 2: she I don't ever see him, like a photo of

860
00:37:21,365 --> 00:37:23,485
Speaker 2: her once like that was in a frame of her

861
00:37:23,525 --> 00:37:23,965
Speaker 2: and dad in.

862
00:37:23,925 --> 00:37:26,045
Speaker 3: The bedroom in a bikini or whatever.

863
00:37:26,045 --> 00:37:28,245
Speaker 2: And then I finally got her to find her archive

864
00:37:28,325 --> 00:37:30,285
Speaker 2: of photos, and I think that was and she just

865
00:37:30,325 --> 00:37:32,325
Speaker 2: turned seventy, not that she'd like me to say that,

866
00:37:32,365 --> 00:37:35,005
Speaker 2: but and I was over Easter, like when her birthday is,

867
00:37:35,045 --> 00:37:37,925
Speaker 2: and I was scanning them furiously, like three thousand photos

868
00:37:37,965 --> 00:37:40,085
Speaker 2: on my Easter break. And I think for her it

869
00:37:40,125 --> 00:37:42,605
Speaker 2: was actually this really new love affair with Dad and

870
00:37:42,685 --> 00:37:44,965
Speaker 2: like actually going. You know, people don't reflect on that

871
00:37:45,005 --> 00:37:47,765
Speaker 2: stuff until someone's dead normally, so I think she got

872
00:37:47,805 --> 00:37:50,045
Speaker 2: to do that as well and go back and like

873
00:37:50,085 --> 00:37:51,765
Speaker 2: look at you know, when they met and like their

874
00:37:51,765 --> 00:37:54,885
Speaker 2: whole life together and have this kind of you know,

875
00:37:55,605 --> 00:37:57,885
Speaker 2: understanding of why she's put up.

876
00:37:58,005 --> 00:38:00,285
Speaker 3: You know, she's she's still going with.

877
00:38:00,205 --> 00:38:01,645
Speaker 2: This because you know, a lot of people say to

878
00:38:01,645 --> 00:38:03,165
Speaker 2: her and friends, they're like, you should just put him

879
00:38:03,165 --> 00:38:04,685
Speaker 2: in a home, like it's not fair on you, and

880
00:38:04,685 --> 00:38:05,965
Speaker 2: she's like, this is what I want to do and

881
00:38:06,005 --> 00:38:08,525
Speaker 2: you have to respect it. That's what she wants to

882
00:38:08,525 --> 00:38:10,525
Speaker 2: do in her life moment. She wants to take care

883
00:38:10,605 --> 00:38:12,605
Speaker 2: of him, which is so nice. I'm not as nice

884
00:38:12,605 --> 00:38:15,285
Speaker 2: as that. You know a lot of people Aren'ta's like,

885
00:38:16,245 --> 00:38:18,205
Speaker 2: you know, she just thinks about people before she thinks

886
00:38:18,205 --> 00:38:18,885
Speaker 2: about herself.

887
00:38:22,245 --> 00:38:24,965
Speaker 1: Coming out, we talk about the moment Gracie won the

888
00:38:25,045 --> 00:38:30,005
Speaker 1: Actor Award for Otto by Otto, she finally won Don't

889
00:38:30,005 --> 00:38:39,085
Speaker 1: go Anywhere, and even in the course of your your

890
00:38:39,205 --> 00:38:43,365
Speaker 1: family that you are a family, and yet Miranda has

891
00:38:43,365 --> 00:38:46,485
Speaker 1: a different mother and then you and your brother Eddie

892
00:38:46,485 --> 00:38:50,205
Speaker 1: came along, like your mom is obviously capable of really

893
00:38:50,525 --> 00:38:52,685
Speaker 1: creating a world that brings everybody in.

894
00:38:53,685 --> 00:38:55,805
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was very like wanting to have her career

895
00:38:55,845 --> 00:38:57,685
Speaker 2: and kind of had two kids and decided she was

896
00:38:57,725 --> 00:38:59,405
Speaker 2: going to be, you know, a full time mum and

897
00:39:00,325 --> 00:39:02,445
Speaker 2: and that's all she's done like most of her life,

898
00:39:02,445 --> 00:39:05,565
Speaker 2: where she could have probably done really great other things,

899
00:39:05,645 --> 00:39:07,725
Speaker 2: but you know, she's very proud of that, and there

900
00:39:07,805 --> 00:39:10,005
Speaker 2: was great for us to have her around.

901
00:39:10,765 --> 00:39:13,805
Speaker 1: Was she she was not at the awards at the.

902
00:39:13,805 --> 00:39:15,605
Speaker 3: Actors No, yeah, no, she wasn't at.

903
00:39:15,565 --> 00:39:17,565
Speaker 1: The Actors and you gave her a beautiful shout out.

904
00:39:18,245 --> 00:39:21,045
Speaker 3: Oh it really we honestly really did not think we

905
00:39:21,045 --> 00:39:21,605
Speaker 3: were going to win.

906
00:39:21,725 --> 00:39:23,445
Speaker 2: And I had thought the night before I thought, oh,

907
00:39:23,445 --> 00:39:24,925
Speaker 2: I only one of those idiots if we win that

908
00:39:24,965 --> 00:39:25,725
Speaker 2: doesn't have a speech.

909
00:39:25,765 --> 00:39:27,645
Speaker 3: But I was like like, I was like, oh, it.

910
00:39:27,645 --> 00:39:28,965
Speaker 2: Was just like I didn't even want to go there

911
00:39:29,005 --> 00:39:31,125
Speaker 2: thinking about writing something because it was like too emotional,

912
00:39:31,125 --> 00:39:32,725
Speaker 2: and then to go to the emotions that like not

913
00:39:32,845 --> 00:39:34,365
Speaker 2: weir and then be like, oh, I just wrote this

914
00:39:34,405 --> 00:39:36,965
Speaker 2: speech in my head. So we were just like down

915
00:39:37,005 --> 00:39:39,165
Speaker 2: in drinks and like my doco team and i'd ha

916
00:39:39,405 --> 00:39:41,725
Speaker 2: like a really great time. And then it was the

917
00:39:41,805 --> 00:39:44,565
Speaker 2: cheer that we heard when they announced they were announcing them.

918
00:39:44,805 --> 00:39:47,325
Speaker 3: That was like really big, and I was like, oh god.

919
00:39:47,405 --> 00:39:49,685
Speaker 2: And then I saw the camera and I know were

920
00:39:49,725 --> 00:39:51,725
Speaker 2: five camera setups, so they only had four cameras and

921
00:39:51,765 --> 00:39:53,125
Speaker 2: so they won't get a right to one every no

922
00:39:53,205 --> 00:39:55,565
Speaker 2: beerneath and then the other cameras went straight around to

923
00:39:55,605 --> 00:39:58,405
Speaker 2: Miranda just before it, and then I went, oh, okay,

924
00:39:58,445 --> 00:40:00,845
Speaker 2: it's happening. And then I just you know, I just said,

925
00:40:00,885 --> 00:40:03,405
Speaker 2: I round up like a football player, because I just

926
00:40:03,525 --> 00:40:04,045
Speaker 2: was like if.

927
00:40:03,925 --> 00:40:06,205
Speaker 3: I stopped, I'll start crying.

928
00:40:06,565 --> 00:40:08,845
Speaker 1: And you start like Miranda a kiss on the way

929
00:40:08,925 --> 00:40:10,325
Speaker 1: up to went.

930
00:40:10,245 --> 00:40:11,885
Speaker 3: And grabbed it. I was looking at it. That thing.

931
00:40:12,045 --> 00:40:14,485
Speaker 2: God. I didn't even like shape the people who presented it,

932
00:40:15,085 --> 00:40:16,725
Speaker 2: but I think I just was like it was. It

933
00:40:17,205 --> 00:40:19,805
Speaker 2: was actually like we were like producers and I was saying,

934
00:40:19,845 --> 00:40:22,325
Speaker 2: we were like, it's an amazing feeling, like it's a

935
00:40:22,445 --> 00:40:25,085
Speaker 2: huge adrenaline rush and I've been nominated before and you

936
00:40:25,085 --> 00:40:27,005
Speaker 2: have the adrenaline rush, and then it's kind of this

937
00:40:27,045 --> 00:40:28,565
Speaker 2: sense of relief because you're like, oh, I didn't win,

938
00:40:28,565 --> 00:40:29,325
Speaker 2: I don't have to get up there.

939
00:40:29,365 --> 00:40:31,045
Speaker 3: It's all good. I can just enjoy my night now.

940
00:40:31,565 --> 00:40:33,725
Speaker 3: But yeah, we were just on a high. The whole night.

941
00:40:33,765 --> 00:40:34,845
Speaker 3: I had a great time up there.

942
00:40:35,125 --> 00:40:36,685
Speaker 1: You enjoyed your night in a different way.

943
00:40:37,165 --> 00:40:38,965
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went, We did all the press and stuff,

944
00:40:39,005 --> 00:40:40,085
Speaker 2: and then I was like, oh my god, I need

945
00:40:40,085 --> 00:40:41,525
Speaker 2: a col mum, but I didn't have my phone did

946
00:40:41,525 --> 00:40:43,525
Speaker 2: to go back through and so I facetimed her off

947
00:40:43,565 --> 00:40:45,645
Speaker 2: some random camera person's phone and I.

948
00:40:45,605 --> 00:40:47,925
Speaker 3: Was like whoa and she was like hello Sue speaking.

949
00:40:47,965 --> 00:40:50,165
Speaker 2: I was like you know, and then it was yeah,

950
00:40:50,205 --> 00:40:51,725
Speaker 2: and then we were just like, I mean it was Yeah,

951
00:40:51,725 --> 00:40:53,645
Speaker 2: it took like a week to come down from that high,

952
00:40:53,765 --> 00:40:55,205
Speaker 2: but yeah, we're very.

953
00:40:55,165 --> 00:40:55,965
Speaker 3: Yeah, thrilled.

954
00:40:56,165 --> 00:40:59,925
Speaker 1: There was a video of you beforehand saying autos don't.

955
00:40:59,725 --> 00:41:02,445
Speaker 2: Win well, like I feel like we don't, like we're

956
00:41:02,445 --> 00:41:03,285
Speaker 2: going through dad's career.

957
00:41:03,285 --> 00:41:04,805
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I didn't win for like a

958
00:41:04,845 --> 00:41:05,525
Speaker 3: win for Blissle.

959
00:41:05,565 --> 00:41:10,125
Speaker 2: I think that or yeah it's interesting, So I mean, yeah,

960
00:41:10,165 --> 00:41:10,885
Speaker 2: we'll take it.

961
00:41:10,965 --> 00:41:11,765
Speaker 3: We'll take it.

962
00:41:12,045 --> 00:41:15,245
Speaker 1: Because I think it is an extraordinary piece of work.

963
00:41:15,765 --> 00:41:19,405
Speaker 1: You know, where does it sit internationally? Like does it

964
00:41:19,445 --> 00:41:26,285
Speaker 1: get to go to like into other festival competition? Does

965
00:41:26,765 --> 00:41:27,725
Speaker 1: it travel the world?

966
00:41:27,805 --> 00:41:28,125
Speaker 3: Now?

967
00:41:28,325 --> 00:41:28,925
Speaker 1: What happened?

968
00:41:28,965 --> 00:41:29,245
Speaker 2: Really?

969
00:41:29,285 --> 00:41:30,725
Speaker 3: I think we're streamers as well.

970
00:41:30,765 --> 00:41:33,445
Speaker 2: It's like it's standing with the streamer, so once it's

971
00:41:33,485 --> 00:41:35,685
Speaker 2: out on stream, you can't play festivals, which is something

972
00:41:35,725 --> 00:41:39,005
Speaker 2: that hopefully maybe in the future they things change. So

973
00:41:39,045 --> 00:41:40,765
Speaker 2: we got to play at Sydney Film Festival and then

974
00:41:40,805 --> 00:41:42,685
Speaker 2: it was coming out like a few days later. That

975
00:41:42,805 --> 00:41:45,645
Speaker 2: was the kind of league. So really it's kind of finished,

976
00:41:45,685 --> 00:41:47,965
Speaker 2: it's run, and yeah, it's been like that's why it's

977
00:41:47,965 --> 00:41:49,205
Speaker 2: been good to have a few weeks off, a few

978
00:41:49,285 --> 00:41:51,365
Speaker 2: times of reflection because I am very like, you know,

979
00:41:51,445 --> 00:41:53,365
Speaker 2: made the Australian soccer team. Then I gave up, you know,

980
00:41:53,485 --> 00:41:55,245
Speaker 2: like I was kind of like, well maybe I should like,

981
00:41:55,565 --> 00:41:57,485
Speaker 2: maybe that's it. Maybe I'll just do something else. Now

982
00:41:57,485 --> 00:41:58,965
Speaker 2: I'm not direct, but I think it's.

983
00:41:58,885 --> 00:42:01,245
Speaker 3: Now just trying to think about really think about what,

984
00:42:02,005 --> 00:42:02,285
Speaker 3: you know.

985
00:42:02,285 --> 00:42:04,125
Speaker 2: What project I want to attached to, what I want

986
00:42:04,125 --> 00:42:07,085
Speaker 2: to do next, and yeah, try I think it was just,

987
00:42:07,165 --> 00:42:08,965
Speaker 2: you know, I think years I've been so excited to

988
00:42:09,005 --> 00:42:11,125
Speaker 2: be off jobs and I've been really lucky to have

989
00:42:11,245 --> 00:42:13,765
Speaker 2: taken jobs that ended up being really good shows and

990
00:42:13,805 --> 00:42:15,965
Speaker 2: with really great actors and everything.

991
00:42:16,045 --> 00:42:17,805
Speaker 3: And now I'm just kind of like I have.

992
00:42:17,845 --> 00:42:20,685
Speaker 2: Got a bit of the bug to go overseas again,

993
00:42:20,805 --> 00:42:22,765
Speaker 2: not necessarily to live there, or anything, but just to

994
00:42:22,845 --> 00:42:26,365
Speaker 2: kind of have a little bit of fun.

995
00:42:27,485 --> 00:42:30,085
Speaker 1: Well what would that be? What would the fun be?

996
00:42:32,085 --> 00:42:34,205
Speaker 2: I used to travel by myself all the time, like

997
00:42:34,245 --> 00:42:36,085
Speaker 2: I think I would. I don't think I've been in

998
00:42:36,085 --> 00:42:38,485
Speaker 2: a city longer than like three weeks. I'm very I'm

999
00:42:38,485 --> 00:42:41,445
Speaker 2: not good at like commitment or life I want to

1000
00:42:41,485 --> 00:42:44,205
Speaker 2: say relationships, but like I always kind of you know, I

1001
00:42:44,165 --> 00:42:46,685
Speaker 2: always dated people lift in other countries, so I could, like,

1002
00:42:46,805 --> 00:42:49,925
Speaker 2: you know, I really enjoy my independent space, and I

1003
00:42:49,965 --> 00:42:52,565
Speaker 2: actually really enjoy traveling by myself. I always like to

1004
00:42:52,605 --> 00:42:54,565
Speaker 2: go somewhere like to a film, veestl or something where

1005
00:42:54,565 --> 00:42:57,045
Speaker 2: there's a reason to kind of be be there, even

1006
00:42:57,045 --> 00:42:59,285
Speaker 2: if it's for a day. And now I'm just, yeah,

1007
00:42:59,405 --> 00:43:01,205
Speaker 2: kind of thinking about going. I don't know, I just

1008
00:43:01,205 --> 00:43:04,085
Speaker 2: feel like I really wanted European summer and just to

1009
00:43:04,165 --> 00:43:08,165
Speaker 2: kind of again yeah, yeah, and I'm going to Greece,

1010
00:43:08,245 --> 00:43:10,485
Speaker 2: I think in June. So I'm finishing on up or

1011
00:43:10,525 --> 00:43:12,725
Speaker 2: Dodger and then yeah, I just thought I'll see what

1012
00:43:12,845 --> 00:43:14,525
Speaker 2: comes up for the second part of the inn. Every year,

1013
00:43:14,565 --> 00:43:16,005
Speaker 2: I've had the whole year or a year and a

1014
00:43:16,045 --> 00:43:18,325
Speaker 2: half of just going showing the show and knowing what's

1015
00:43:18,325 --> 00:43:20,205
Speaker 2: mapped out, which is really good in a lot of

1016
00:43:20,205 --> 00:43:22,005
Speaker 2: ways because you kind of go, oh, I know what

1017
00:43:22,045 --> 00:43:24,165
Speaker 2: I'm doing, and I, you know, I get frustrated, like

1018
00:43:24,205 --> 00:43:27,165
Speaker 2: if I don't know the plans. So yeah, I'm trying

1019
00:43:27,205 --> 00:43:29,405
Speaker 2: to just like yeah, and so I've just been doing

1020
00:43:29,605 --> 00:43:32,645
Speaker 2: personal training and cooking lessons and yeah.

1021
00:43:33,005 --> 00:43:37,285
Speaker 1: And do you think these like this desire to extend

1022
00:43:37,285 --> 00:43:41,405
Speaker 1: yourself personally into yourself rather than just through work, the cooking,

1023
00:43:41,525 --> 00:43:44,805
Speaker 1: the training, the time at home, the renovation. Do you

1024
00:43:44,885 --> 00:43:50,245
Speaker 1: think it's come about as a result of the film

1025
00:43:50,485 --> 00:43:56,845
Speaker 1: the doco that you've processed certain aspects without even realizing

1026
00:43:56,885 --> 00:43:59,445
Speaker 1: it about yourself and the way that we live life,

1027
00:43:59,525 --> 00:44:00,845
Speaker 1: the way that you're living life.

1028
00:44:01,525 --> 00:44:03,805
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's been a long journey with the

1029
00:44:03,845 --> 00:44:07,165
Speaker 2: documentary and I think, yeah, it's kind of like I'm

1030
00:44:07,205 --> 00:44:09,285
Speaker 2: ready for the next chapter. Like I know Dad's still

1031
00:44:09,565 --> 00:44:12,125
Speaker 2: here at the moment, but it's kind of like it

1032
00:44:12,165 --> 00:44:15,445
Speaker 2: does feel like the next chapters coming, which I'm excited

1033
00:44:15,485 --> 00:44:18,325
Speaker 2: by and I'm excited he's still here for that next chapter.

1034
00:44:19,005 --> 00:44:21,405
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like I kind of get you know,

1035
00:44:21,885 --> 00:44:23,645
Speaker 2: like I said that book, I read like I do

1036
00:44:23,925 --> 00:44:26,245
Speaker 2: want to live forever and I like I you know,

1037
00:44:26,245 --> 00:44:28,765
Speaker 2: I've packed a lot into my life and will continue

1038
00:44:28,805 --> 00:44:30,525
Speaker 2: to do so. Like I'm not someone to just sit

1039
00:44:30,565 --> 00:44:32,325
Speaker 2: around and do nothing, but you know, I get so

1040
00:44:32,365 --> 00:44:35,765
Speaker 2: inspired by people and things and places. I don't know,

1041
00:44:36,005 --> 00:44:37,805
Speaker 2: Like I was meant to maybe a big going to

1042
00:44:37,845 --> 00:44:40,045
Speaker 2: Asian and the job got canceled, but I was meant

1043
00:44:40,045 --> 00:44:41,205
Speaker 2: to be going to go into Beijing, and I was

1044
00:44:41,245 --> 00:44:43,245
Speaker 2: excited because I I'll go around, I'll go to Seoul

1045
00:44:43,285 --> 00:44:45,205
Speaker 2: and I'll just go. And I nearly booked a ticket

1046
00:44:45,245 --> 00:44:47,245
Speaker 2: this week, just before I start work next week, because

1047
00:44:47,285 --> 00:44:49,525
Speaker 2: I just thought, I really just need to, i don't know,

1048
00:44:49,845 --> 00:44:50,645
Speaker 2: just see things.

1049
00:44:50,965 --> 00:44:52,325
Speaker 3: So I'll be trying to do that in Sydney.

1050
00:44:52,565 --> 00:44:55,205
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Well that's it sometimes. And also when you're

1051
00:44:55,245 --> 00:44:59,005
Speaker 1: working at that intensity, you're the city in which you

1052
00:44:59,085 --> 00:45:02,645
Speaker 1: live is as foreign a destination as any other that

1053
00:45:02,685 --> 00:45:03,405
Speaker 1: you can encounter.

1054
00:45:03,525 --> 00:45:05,165
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I think the skills that I

1055
00:45:05,205 --> 00:45:09,605
Speaker 2: haven't learned over the past few years is the hiat exercise.

1056
00:45:09,605 --> 00:45:10,645
Speaker 3: Like I think the three things.

1057
00:45:10,685 --> 00:45:14,045
Speaker 2: You know, my friend Lara has a cooking business, nutrition business,

1058
00:45:14,085 --> 00:45:17,125
Speaker 2: and she does these lessons on FaceTime. I've been cooking, like,

1059
00:45:17,245 --> 00:45:21,405
Speaker 2: you know, steak with like source Diane like light lunches, snacks, smoothies,

1060
00:45:21,405 --> 00:45:23,525
Speaker 2: and it's been like I'm just like, oh my god,

1061
00:45:23,605 --> 00:45:25,325
Speaker 2: how did I not know how to cook a potato?

1062
00:45:25,445 --> 00:45:26,845
Speaker 3: Or like, how did I not know how to like

1063
00:45:26,885 --> 00:45:27,965
Speaker 3: handle a piece of meat?

1064
00:45:28,285 --> 00:45:30,565
Speaker 2: And then my friend Joe joh my god on Instagram

1065
00:45:30,645 --> 00:45:33,045
Speaker 2: She's an amazing makeup artist and I paid her to

1066
00:45:33,165 --> 00:45:34,045
Speaker 2: teach me to do.

1067
00:45:34,045 --> 00:45:37,285
Speaker 3: My own makeup. And I was like those those two things.

1068
00:45:37,285 --> 00:45:39,085
Speaker 2: And then the personal trainer of was personal trainer A

1069
00:45:39,125 --> 00:45:41,685
Speaker 2: Lane is like just awesome because it's like I've been

1070
00:45:41,685 --> 00:45:43,285
Speaker 2: going I was going to the gym in Brisboe last

1071
00:45:43,325 --> 00:45:45,485
Speaker 2: year on deadlock and you know, from soccer, like I

1072
00:45:45,565 --> 00:45:48,765
Speaker 2: know how to train, but like to specifically train on

1073
00:45:48,845 --> 00:45:51,045
Speaker 2: certain things that work for my body. I was just

1074
00:45:51,085 --> 00:45:52,405
Speaker 2: like I can't and you, my friend's are like you

1075
00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:54,645
Speaker 2: love structure. I can't believe. And I was like those

1076
00:45:54,645 --> 00:45:56,845
Speaker 2: three sets of skills because I'm, you know, at thirty seven,

1077
00:45:56,925 --> 00:45:59,285
Speaker 2: I live alone. I was like, they've just been brushed.

1078
00:45:59,325 --> 00:46:01,845
Speaker 2: They were brushed aside for the last five years and

1079
00:46:01,885 --> 00:46:03,445
Speaker 2: now it was all catchy up to me. And I

1080
00:46:03,485 --> 00:46:04,685
Speaker 2: was like I really, you know, so in a way,

1081
00:46:04,725 --> 00:46:07,125
Speaker 2: I've kind of taken a month for myself, which has

1082
00:46:07,205 --> 00:46:07,885
Speaker 2: been nice.

1083
00:46:08,285 --> 00:46:11,165
Speaker 1: And what do you think of yourself or I think

1084
00:46:11,165 --> 00:46:14,325
Speaker 1: of myself? I don't know. Can you make yourself in

1085
00:46:14,365 --> 00:46:18,885
Speaker 1: a different way when you have time around quite entertained

1086
00:46:18,925 --> 00:46:22,805
Speaker 1: by my Like I can entertain myself quite well.

1087
00:46:22,965 --> 00:46:25,885
Speaker 2: I enjoy I do. I really enjoy in my own company.

1088
00:46:26,005 --> 00:46:27,925
Speaker 2: I'm always like, as soon as you know on set,

1089
00:46:27,965 --> 00:46:29,805
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I love being around two hudred people, and

1090
00:46:29,845 --> 00:46:31,685
Speaker 2: then I actually really love all of a sudden being

1091
00:46:31,685 --> 00:46:33,925
Speaker 2: around no one. And then as soon as like you know,

1092
00:46:33,965 --> 00:46:35,925
Speaker 2: there's too many people trying to contact me or hang

1093
00:46:35,965 --> 00:46:37,725
Speaker 2: out or whatever, I get overwhelmed and I'm like, oh,

1094
00:46:37,765 --> 00:46:39,325
Speaker 2: I just want everyone to go away. And then after

1095
00:46:39,405 --> 00:46:41,245
Speaker 2: twenty four hours when everyone leaves me alone, I'm like,

1096
00:46:41,325 --> 00:46:42,005
Speaker 2: where is everyone?

1097
00:46:42,045 --> 00:46:44,165
Speaker 3: Where all my friends? I want to hang out? You know.

1098
00:46:44,485 --> 00:46:46,965
Speaker 2: So I have this kind of like energy of like

1099
00:46:47,085 --> 00:46:49,085
Speaker 2: I'm very present, I think when I'm in the moment,

1100
00:46:49,125 --> 00:46:50,485
Speaker 2: and I have you know, I'm really lucky to have

1101
00:46:50,525 --> 00:46:52,845
Speaker 2: a lot of friends. And sometimes I feel bad because

1102
00:46:52,845 --> 00:46:55,245
Speaker 2: I haven't seen my friends for a year. But it's like,

1103
00:46:55,325 --> 00:46:57,445
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, I'm not like a big hangout

1104
00:46:57,445 --> 00:46:58,725
Speaker 2: with a big group kind of person.

1105
00:46:58,765 --> 00:47:01,565
Speaker 3: But when I see someone it's like intense and it's like, you.

1106
00:47:01,525 --> 00:47:05,405
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, it does take a certain sort of friend

1107
00:47:06,205 --> 00:47:08,205
Speaker 1: to be a friend to someone who's working at that

1108
00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:11,965
Speaker 1: intensity that they just have to trust that after a

1109
00:47:12,085 --> 00:47:15,245
Speaker 1: year or two years or whatever, you'll be back.

1110
00:47:15,685 --> 00:47:15,965
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1111
00:47:16,005 --> 00:47:17,965
Speaker 2: And I you know, I've missed all my friends overseas

1112
00:47:17,965 --> 00:47:20,205
Speaker 2: because I really haven't been away for so long. So

1113
00:47:20,805 --> 00:47:22,925
Speaker 2: you know, there's people from you know, COVID that I

1114
00:47:23,045 --> 00:47:25,525
Speaker 2: just like, like they were my best friends before COVID

1115
00:47:25,565 --> 00:47:27,365
Speaker 2: and I was always in La or in Paris, and

1116
00:47:27,605 --> 00:47:29,725
Speaker 2: you know, now it's like, what'sapped them every a few

1117
00:47:29,765 --> 00:47:31,645
Speaker 2: months and send them a voice message.

1118
00:47:31,885 --> 00:47:35,005
Speaker 1: I want to ask you because you worked on Heartbreak High,

1119
00:47:35,325 --> 00:47:40,205
Speaker 1: which was you know, groundbreaking in so many ways and

1120
00:47:40,325 --> 00:47:43,645
Speaker 1: so popular around the world. But because you've been working

1121
00:47:43,645 --> 00:47:46,565
Speaker 1: in the industry for since you were so young, it

1122
00:47:46,685 --> 00:47:49,885
Speaker 1: kind of feels like you're older than you are in

1123
00:47:49,965 --> 00:47:53,285
Speaker 1: terms of your maturity when you were working with such

1124
00:47:53,285 --> 00:47:56,565
Speaker 1: a young cast, a coolsy cast as well.

1125
00:47:56,805 --> 00:47:59,405
Speaker 3: They're very under gust yeah, weren't they.

1126
00:47:59,925 --> 00:48:01,805
Speaker 1: What did it feel like being with them?

1127
00:48:02,645 --> 00:48:04,445
Speaker 2: There's a big one show that I've been on that

1128
00:48:04,645 --> 00:48:07,405
Speaker 2: I was like the average age on set, like I

1129
00:48:07,445 --> 00:48:10,725
Speaker 2: am always like uptil puble. Now, I've always been like

1130
00:48:10,765 --> 00:48:14,045
Speaker 2: the youngest, and especially being the gener I've always loved

1131
00:48:14,045 --> 00:48:16,765
Speaker 2: been around older people. It was interesting because it was

1132
00:48:16,845 --> 00:48:19,565
Speaker 2: kind of like I used my school diary when I

1133
00:48:19,645 --> 00:48:21,805
Speaker 2: pitched on it. We had a train map of all

1134
00:48:21,805 --> 00:48:24,045
Speaker 2: the people who hooked up with different guys on the train,

1135
00:48:24,645 --> 00:48:26,925
Speaker 2: and so I kind of, you know, i'd use that

1136
00:48:27,005 --> 00:48:28,805
Speaker 2: in my pitch deck as a kind of you know,

1137
00:48:28,845 --> 00:48:31,325
Speaker 2: that was like two thousand and two or whatever. Yeah,

1138
00:48:31,485 --> 00:48:33,765
Speaker 2: but they were all like, they're also cool, like they're

1139
00:48:33,805 --> 00:48:36,565
Speaker 2: such cool kids. I would say, kids that are like

1140
00:48:36,725 --> 00:48:40,125
Speaker 2: older now and stuff. But there was a great you know,

1141
00:48:40,165 --> 00:48:42,045
Speaker 2: I think. I think there's a lot of people who

1142
00:48:42,045 --> 00:48:44,645
Speaker 2: make mistakes always say oh, I've been in the industry

1143
00:48:44,725 --> 00:48:47,325
Speaker 2: much longer than this young girl, and you know, blah

1144
00:48:47,325 --> 00:48:49,245
Speaker 2: blah blah, like and I hate all that because I go,

1145
00:48:49,365 --> 00:48:52,405
Speaker 2: I can learn so much from a sixteen year old

1146
00:48:52,765 --> 00:48:55,005
Speaker 2: when I watch TikTok all the time. Do I keep

1147
00:48:55,085 --> 00:48:57,845
Speaker 2: up with a pat as I can from you know,

1148
00:48:57,885 --> 00:49:00,925
Speaker 2: a six year old or eighty year old, like I think,

1149
00:49:01,005 --> 00:49:03,845
Speaker 2: you know, my school teacher for band in high school

1150
00:49:03,845 --> 00:49:05,885
Speaker 2: always said that's why music was so great in the

1151
00:49:05,925 --> 00:49:09,325
Speaker 2: band because you made friends vertically, not horizontally like people

1152
00:49:09,405 --> 00:49:10,965
Speaker 2: go to school or people going to the industry and

1153
00:49:10,965 --> 00:49:12,645
Speaker 2: they go, well, I'm thirty seven, and you know, so

1154
00:49:12,765 --> 00:49:14,485
Speaker 2: this is what I know, or like this fifty six

1155
00:49:14,605 --> 00:49:16,565
Speaker 2: year old woman knows more because she's been around longer,

1156
00:49:16,605 --> 00:49:19,525
Speaker 2: and it's like bullshit, Like this young girl is doing

1157
00:49:19,565 --> 00:49:22,365
Speaker 2: amazing things. Is also someone you can learn from. So

1158
00:49:22,405 --> 00:49:24,765
Speaker 2: I think for me, like, I just learned so much

1159
00:49:24,845 --> 00:49:28,125
Speaker 2: from them, and you know, obviously had a very paternal

1160
00:49:28,245 --> 00:49:34,685
Speaker 2: like maternal and maternalness in the way that I can

1161
00:49:34,725 --> 00:49:37,445
Speaker 2: be of been very protective of them in the industry

1162
00:49:37,485 --> 00:49:40,085
Speaker 2: as well, like you know, because knowing that they were

1163
00:49:40,085 --> 00:49:43,245
Speaker 2: going to come out and be quite overnight like well known,

1164
00:49:43,245 --> 00:49:45,445
Speaker 2: which happened to them, and you know, the producers and

1165
00:49:45,445 --> 00:49:48,925
Speaker 2: have a very great kind of maintaining all that. And

1166
00:49:48,965 --> 00:49:50,485
Speaker 2: it was so nice to go back on the second

1167
00:49:50,565 --> 00:49:54,005
Speaker 2: season and see that, yes, their lives had completely changed,

1168
00:49:54,085 --> 00:49:57,725
Speaker 2: but they hadn't necessarily, you know, they hadn't changed.

1169
00:49:59,005 --> 00:50:01,045
Speaker 3: They yeah, had been like a learning curve for them.

1170
00:50:01,085 --> 00:50:02,845
Speaker 2: And I don't know, because I've never been as well

1171
00:50:02,885 --> 00:50:04,685
Speaker 2: known as they would have been at that age, so

1172
00:50:04,965 --> 00:50:06,765
Speaker 2: you know, I think, but I have been out with

1173
00:50:06,765 --> 00:50:08,565
Speaker 2: them a few times when like, you know, walking down

1174
00:50:08,605 --> 00:50:10,365
Speaker 2: the street and people like when I first came out,

1175
00:50:10,405 --> 00:50:12,005
Speaker 2: we're just calling out to them, and I was like,

1176
00:50:12,005 --> 00:50:12,605
Speaker 2: that's crazy.

1177
00:50:12,645 --> 00:50:13,405
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that.

1178
00:50:13,445 --> 00:50:16,205
Speaker 2: I really like, you know, I know that sometimes if

1179
00:50:16,205 --> 00:50:19,565
Speaker 2: I go somewhere or walk somewhere, but like, mainly I'm

1180
00:50:19,605 --> 00:50:22,045
Speaker 2: pretty you know, I can just live my life, which

1181
00:50:22,045 --> 00:50:23,685
Speaker 2: I think, you know, must be hard for people who

1182
00:50:23,725 --> 00:50:24,325
Speaker 2: are famous.

1183
00:50:25,245 --> 00:50:29,485
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh it's brutal and often becoming famous. You know,

1184
00:50:29,565 --> 00:50:31,645
Speaker 1: they say that you're set in stone at the age

1185
00:50:31,685 --> 00:50:35,085
Speaker 1: at which you become famous, which explains I think why

1186
00:50:35,245 --> 00:50:41,125
Speaker 1: some uber famous Hollywood actors are a little bit atrophied

1187
00:50:41,445 --> 00:50:42,845
Speaker 1: when it comes to development.

1188
00:50:43,885 --> 00:50:46,645
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, yeah, and I'd be very lucky in that regard.

1189
00:50:46,725 --> 00:50:49,525
Speaker 2: And also like directors, like, no one really you know,

1190
00:50:49,965 --> 00:50:52,125
Speaker 2: like no one really kind of like wants to follow

1191
00:50:52,165 --> 00:50:54,605
Speaker 2: their lives around is you know, it's always about the actors.

1192
00:50:55,165 --> 00:50:57,765
Speaker 1: This is a big question, but what have you learned?

1193
00:50:58,445 --> 00:51:03,845
Speaker 1: Do you think about life in the context of your

1194
00:51:03,925 --> 00:51:06,845
Speaker 1: father's journey and the journey that you've gone on with him.

1195
00:51:07,605 --> 00:51:10,645
Speaker 2: I'm very early on like the game of life that

1196
00:51:10,725 --> 00:51:12,525
Speaker 2: you only have one shot at life, and you only

1197
00:51:12,565 --> 00:51:14,405
Speaker 2: have one time that you're going to be thirty six

1198
00:51:14,445 --> 00:51:16,605
Speaker 2: and thirty seven, thirty eight and thirty nine. So I'm

1199
00:51:16,765 --> 00:51:20,725
Speaker 2: very like not about wasting time and always up for everything.

1200
00:51:21,165 --> 00:51:23,085
Speaker 2: I think Dad's you know, the big takeaway for me

1201
00:51:23,165 --> 00:51:26,125
Speaker 2: for Dad is it's like a really boring word. But

1202
00:51:26,205 --> 00:51:28,725
Speaker 2: Dad is so kind and I think, you know, you

1203
00:51:28,725 --> 00:51:32,125
Speaker 2: can be known for being the most incredible Hollywood actor

1204
00:51:32,285 --> 00:51:35,365
Speaker 2: or famous for this, or doing great work or whatever,

1205
00:51:35,365 --> 00:51:37,885
Speaker 2: but if you're not a kind person. So I think

1206
00:51:37,885 --> 00:51:40,765
Speaker 2: that's been such a big lesson, like hearing, you know,

1207
00:51:40,805 --> 00:51:42,965
Speaker 2: people I work on set like a grip might come

1208
00:51:42,965 --> 00:51:45,245
Speaker 2: past and go, loved your dad. He was so kind

1209
00:51:45,285 --> 00:51:47,165
Speaker 2: to me, you know when I was starting out or

1210
00:51:47,205 --> 00:51:49,765
Speaker 2: a runner who's now a producer or you know, all

1211
00:51:49,805 --> 00:51:51,605
Speaker 2: those kind of things. I just think it's such a

1212
00:51:51,685 --> 00:51:54,845
Speaker 2: nice legacy for such a boring word to be left

1213
00:51:54,885 --> 00:51:56,325
Speaker 2: with that he was such a kind man.

1214
00:51:56,725 --> 00:51:58,965
Speaker 3: That helps me when sometimes I'll think something in my

1215
00:51:59,005 --> 00:52:00,245
Speaker 3: head and go just be kind.

1216
00:52:02,285 --> 00:52:05,645
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's sometimes you have to be unkind

1217
00:52:05,685 --> 00:52:06,365
Speaker 1: to be kind.

1218
00:52:07,045 --> 00:52:09,925
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking of myself as a verse it.

1219
00:52:10,245 --> 00:52:12,605
Speaker 2: But I think you can always, you know, be like

1220
00:52:13,005 --> 00:52:14,645
Speaker 2: strive for more kindness.

1221
00:52:15,005 --> 00:52:20,925
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because Otto Bioto is very kind. I

1222
00:52:20,925 --> 00:52:24,845
Speaker 1: think it's very kind. And I think it's also because,

1223
00:52:25,325 --> 00:52:27,885
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, we know the trajectory of life

1224
00:52:27,925 --> 00:52:30,645
Speaker 1: and we're all take us except for you, who's going

1225
00:52:30,685 --> 00:52:34,005
Speaker 1: to live forever, but that we know I.

1226
00:52:33,965 --> 00:52:36,245
Speaker 2: Get killed today.

1227
00:52:36,565 --> 00:52:37,085
Speaker 1: That's right.

1228
00:52:38,085 --> 00:52:40,885
Speaker 2: I do have a psychic sense that I'm trying to

1229
00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:43,445
Speaker 2: understand more about now in life. Like if I think

1230
00:52:43,445 --> 00:52:45,885
Speaker 2: of someone like, they will text me or they will

1231
00:52:45,885 --> 00:52:47,765
Speaker 2: appear in my algorithm even though I haven't looked.

1232
00:52:47,645 --> 00:52:50,565
Speaker 3: At their things the name. So I do have it,

1233
00:52:50,605 --> 00:52:51,445
Speaker 3: and I do have something.

1234
00:52:51,485 --> 00:52:53,805
Speaker 2: Sometimes it happens where my wake up and kind of

1235
00:52:54,045 --> 00:52:56,765
Speaker 2: my brain goes, just be careful, and I'll stop at

1236
00:52:56,765 --> 00:52:58,965
Speaker 2: the lights and like not run the orange light, and

1237
00:52:58,965 --> 00:53:00,725
Speaker 2: a car will run the other light, and I'll be like,

1238
00:53:01,325 --> 00:53:03,085
Speaker 2: and I am waiting for the day. Someone just goes

1239
00:53:03,165 --> 00:53:05,285
Speaker 2: cut like I'm in the Truman Show, and I go, oh,

1240
00:53:05,485 --> 00:53:07,965
Speaker 2: I knew something was going on, Like you know, I'm

1241
00:53:08,125 --> 00:53:13,005
Speaker 2: very into like not reincarnation, but like into the other life.

1242
00:53:13,085 --> 00:53:15,085
Speaker 2: And one of my best friends who passed away, I

1243
00:53:15,285 --> 00:53:17,805
Speaker 2: always kind of thought of her as like we living

1244
00:53:17,805 --> 00:53:20,485
Speaker 2: in a game and she's just in the next level

1245
00:53:20,525 --> 00:53:22,645
Speaker 2: of the game. And so I do think about that

1246
00:53:23,085 --> 00:53:24,885
Speaker 2: quite a bit, and I think maybe I have been

1247
00:53:24,925 --> 00:53:26,885
Speaker 2: here before. She Now it sounds a bit woo woo,

1248
00:53:26,925 --> 00:53:29,045
Speaker 2: but I feel like I have been here before. But

1249
00:53:29,045 --> 00:53:32,805
Speaker 2: I'm not sure as what animal? Do you think it

1250
00:53:32,845 --> 00:53:33,485
Speaker 2: was an animal?

1251
00:53:34,645 --> 00:53:35,685
Speaker 3: Really? Yeah?

1252
00:53:35,805 --> 00:53:37,965
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a person. You don't think it was

1253
00:53:38,005 --> 00:53:38,445
Speaker 1: a person?

1254
00:53:38,565 --> 00:53:40,645
Speaker 2: No, I think it was either like a really old

1255
00:53:40,725 --> 00:53:45,565
Speaker 2: man or an animal. Yeah, but yeah, I'm kind of

1256
00:53:46,085 --> 00:53:48,085
Speaker 2: I'm interested in that side of stuff because I'm not.

1257
00:53:49,845 --> 00:53:50,605
Speaker 3: Religious.

1258
00:53:50,925 --> 00:53:56,365
Speaker 1: Well that is religious, Yeah, that's probably the definition of religions.

1259
00:53:55,965 --> 00:53:58,165
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1260
00:53:58,525 --> 00:54:01,285
Speaker 2: I'm not into into heaven and hell and like whatever.

1261
00:54:01,325 --> 00:54:03,405
Speaker 2: I'm more just like, where does the spirit go? Like

1262
00:54:03,445 --> 00:54:06,685
Speaker 2: when Michael White died, I felt his spirit on my

1263
00:54:06,845 --> 00:54:08,125
Speaker 2: back for about a month.

1264
00:54:08,205 --> 00:54:09,805
Speaker 3: I felt like I could i him.

1265
00:54:09,845 --> 00:54:12,565
Speaker 2: And I went to a crazy dinner party at Cheer

1266
00:54:12,605 --> 00:54:16,165
Speaker 2: Coppola's or whatever, and this Disney young actress just started

1267
00:54:16,205 --> 00:54:18,885
Speaker 2: they were doing a seance. It was something, and then

1268
00:54:18,925 --> 00:54:21,085
Speaker 2: she just turned around and started screaming at me. She goes,

1269
00:54:21,125 --> 00:54:24,325
Speaker 2: You've got something on your back, And I was like, oh, yeah,

1270
00:54:25,325 --> 00:54:28,085
Speaker 2: so I'm very into the spiritual. Yeah, I actually in

1271
00:54:28,125 --> 00:54:31,445
Speaker 2: Melbourne recently, stay in the place that had something bad happening.

1272
00:54:31,485 --> 00:54:32,725
Speaker 3: Then was when David Lynch started.

1273
00:54:32,765 --> 00:54:34,845
Speaker 2: He was such a huge inspiration to me and I

1274
00:54:34,885 --> 00:54:37,125
Speaker 2: had I was watching his films, but it was the

1275
00:54:37,205 --> 00:54:40,085
Speaker 2: layout of the house and it felt very trapped and

1276
00:54:40,205 --> 00:54:42,565
Speaker 2: I think it was actually my body resetting over the

1277
00:54:42,605 --> 00:54:45,245
Speaker 2: five years back to like you know, two point zero

1278
00:54:45,325 --> 00:54:47,245
Speaker 2: version of me or something was. It was like the

1279
00:54:47,285 --> 00:54:49,125
Speaker 2: new software. I had to just go on this like

1280
00:54:49,205 --> 00:54:51,125
Speaker 2: I never really get like I don't don't suffer from

1281
00:54:51,205 --> 00:54:53,605
Speaker 2: depression or anything like that. I know, I know a

1282
00:54:53,605 --> 00:54:55,405
Speaker 2: lot of people do, but like you know, maybe every

1283
00:54:55,405 --> 00:54:57,645
Speaker 2: few years, I have like a low moment for like

1284
00:54:57,765 --> 00:54:59,565
Speaker 2: you know, two weeks and then I kind of yeah,

1285
00:54:59,565 --> 00:55:00,445
Speaker 2: it's like a reset.

1286
00:55:00,565 --> 00:55:02,885
Speaker 3: So I did that. I've resetted.

1287
00:55:03,285 --> 00:55:07,165
Speaker 1: Reset in the concept of you on a different level

1288
00:55:07,205 --> 00:55:09,925
Speaker 1: of the game. Do you think when you watched your

1289
00:55:10,005 --> 00:55:12,965
Speaker 1: dad that he's on a different level of the game.

1290
00:55:13,365 --> 00:55:17,885
Speaker 2: Like it's like he was a player that got inserted

1291
00:55:17,885 --> 00:55:21,965
Speaker 2: in the Rock time. Here's a character from always has

1292
00:55:22,045 --> 00:55:25,005
Speaker 2: been eighteen hundreds that like they went, oh, we forgot

1293
00:55:25,005 --> 00:55:26,565
Speaker 2: to put him in the game. We'll put him in

1294
00:55:26,685 --> 00:55:29,405
Speaker 2: nineteen forty and so yeah, you know, so he's like

1295
00:55:29,485 --> 00:55:32,005
Speaker 2: cruising around as this kind of because he is like

1296
00:55:32,005 --> 00:55:32,965
Speaker 2: a bit of an old soul.

1297
00:55:33,005 --> 00:55:35,965
Speaker 3: Like my grandma died when I was on Ladies in Black.

1298
00:55:35,765 --> 00:55:37,765
Speaker 2: And we were all really close to her, and then

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Speaker 2: like we didn't tell Dad because like he wouldn't understand,

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Speaker 2: but he would just sometimes go, Nanny's here, like a

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Speaker 2: week after she died and look to the corner of

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Speaker 2: the room. And so he's kind of like a little

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Speaker 2: good luck charm. If I'm like, you know, wanting someone

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Speaker 2: a text me, I'll go and like rub his head

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Speaker 2: and like get good luck from him.

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Speaker 1: So and Baz Luhman always found your dad a good

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Speaker 1: luck charm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just so sweet because I did my first work

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Speaker 2: experience luckily with Bads, which he would never get me

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Speaker 2: to do again, because I was in high school and

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Speaker 2: it was on the Chanelle Ad and it was like

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Speaker 2: five hours of watching the understudy, like the person coming

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Speaker 2: in for the lighting for Nicole, who was beautiful in

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Speaker 2: this like male model, and I was like they should

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Speaker 2: just be in it there amazing, and then it was

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Speaker 2: like Nicole came in and you were like, how he's

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Speaker 2: get it and they were just getting ready to do

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Speaker 2: the shot, and I had like in my pocket of

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Speaker 2: my school shirt, I had a little flip phone and

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Speaker 2: it was off, but the alarm went off as he

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Speaker 2: said action and I was like, oh my god, my god,

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Speaker 2: my god. I turned it off. But then I was

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Speaker 2: back in the day on those phones. The alarm would

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Speaker 2: still go off. So they set up again for five minutes,

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Speaker 2: and then he someone came over and said, we're going

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Speaker 2: to take you to the costume department of THEO. And

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Speaker 2: he still wrote me, like, you know what, an amazing man,

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Speaker 2: Like he still wrote me a handwritten letter like he's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Like even when I interviewed.

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Speaker 2: Him, I reached out and you know, and he had

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Speaker 2: to cancel it. And it was the Oscars and he

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Speaker 2: was like nominated. There was all this stuff going on,

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Speaker 2: and I remember when it came through and they were like, look, bads,

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Speaker 2: it's going to have to reach schedule. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: of course, and they're like, he's so sorry, but he

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Speaker 2: could probably do it like four days time, and he was.

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Speaker 3: In the minute. He's like, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: I was in Italy and then I went here and

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Speaker 2: we're just about to do the oscars, but you know,

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Speaker 2: and I just thought, oh my god, like you've got

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Speaker 2: up in the books, Baz, like.

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Speaker 3: You know, because he didn't have to do that for me,

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Speaker 3: Like it was just so kind.

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Speaker 1: Kind there is again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really boring word to be described by, but.

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Speaker 1: A really good one, and all the better for people

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Speaker 1: who necessarily don't have it, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: All they could do is dream of it. Yeah, Graciotto.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing what you do in the

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Speaker 1: rest of your life when you live forever. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for your body of work. Yes, oh no, that's all right.

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Speaker 1: It's all right if I say it. It's all right

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Speaker 1: if I say it to you. Thank you for your

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Speaker 1: body of work. And thank you so much for sharing

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Speaker 1: your family, your dad, your mom with all of us,

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Speaker 1: and for sharing yourself with no filter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: This was one of my favorite conversations with someone whose

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Speaker 1: family has had such a big but largely unspoken impact

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Speaker 1: on me and my consumption of, you know, arts life

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Speaker 1: in Australia. I loved her honesty, I loved her father,

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Speaker 1: I loved her family, I loved her mother, I loved

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Speaker 1: her sister. I loved all of her and I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate her sharing her family legacy with us, and it's

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Speaker 1: such a deeply vulnerable time. And if you want to

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Speaker 1: watch Otto Biotto, and I recommend it from the bottom

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Speaker 1: of my heart, will pop a link in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: The executive producer of No Filter is Nama Brown, Senior

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Speaker 1: producer is Grace Rufrey. Sound design is by Jacob Brown.

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Speaker 1: And I'm your host, kateline Brook. Back with you next week.