Speaker 1: These are the yays of our lives. Busy and happy
Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 1: one way. So this is the platform to hear and
Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore,
Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day
Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of seizing your yea. I'm
Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 1: funentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found
Speaker 1: Matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bark Sez the Ya is
Speaker 1: a series of conversations on finding a life you love
Speaker 1: and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along
Speaker 1: the way. Hi Film, Welcome to our third anniversary efforts
Speaker 1: Face Fim.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. Congratulations. I can't like I when you said.
Speaker 1: That year the other day, I was like, no, me too,
Speaker 1: no way, it's I know, I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: it's because twenty twenty just doesn't count in my Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I have the worst time already. I'm always like, oh,
Speaker 1: remember that time when I was in Hong Kong, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I was six, so I wasn't there, Like
Speaker 1: I just have no timescale. But adding to that, the
Speaker 1: pandemic and Lockdown twenty twenty just isn't in my brain.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, it's our two year anniversary.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, hold on a minute.
Speaker 2: Not just I don't think it's just that it was
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. I just feel like it's still so fresh
Speaker 2: and exciting that it doesn't feel like it's been three years.
Speaker 2: You know, Normally, after like three years or something, you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of yeah, it's like drying out and getting
Speaker 2: bored of it, but this has been like you're killing
Speaker 2: its still and it's still been really exciting.
Speaker 1: Oh that's really kind. And I know you're only saying
Speaker 1: that because you just joined the show, so you're like
Speaker 1: thinking it's from cool because you're like, I'm a co
Speaker 1: host now.
Speaker 2: Now I'm saying that invoice later.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean, you guys know, I was actually
Speaker 1: listening to last year's anniversary episode and then the year
Speaker 1: before just to kind of reflect on how I was feeling,
Speaker 1: and I say the same thing every time that is
Speaker 1: one thing that isn't fresh is my same language, the
Speaker 1: same words to express just how grateful I am for
Speaker 1: this neighborhood. It has brought me so much joy, and
Speaker 1: I can safely say honestly, through the pandemic in the
Speaker 1: last eighteen months to two years in particular, having this
Speaker 1: is like a purpose and a reason to focus on
Speaker 1: joy and storytelling and all of the messages that you
Speaker 1: guys have sent back about the way that you know
Speaker 1: it's helped even really tiny moments of your kind of
Speaker 1: you know, lockdown challenge has just it just makes my
Speaker 1: heart so happy and I can't believe I've been able
Speaker 1: to do it. You've enabled me to keep doing it
Speaker 1: for three years. It's just so so special.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the first before you sat your podcast
Speaker 2: and I was like, been just started? Why do you
Speaker 2: keep waiting? I was like, I was like, dude, if
Speaker 2: I have to hear you like a'm and a about
Speaker 2: this one more time, I'm literally just going to start
Speaker 2: it for you. And then then you're like, I was like,
Speaker 2: just get you know, one of your friends do your
Speaker 2: first episode. Get it out there. Doesn't that be perfect? Anyway?
Speaker 2: I went to play basketle with Nick and I come back,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, so you're ready. I was
Speaker 2: like what You're like, yeah, you see your friend and
Speaker 2: so I'm getting you. And I was like, wow, that
Speaker 2: backby quickly, and then we were like, stay in your
Speaker 2: match of office and just did the first episode, no
Speaker 2: preparation anything.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's actually, this is so nice that we're
Speaker 1: doing this one together because you were there for the
Speaker 1: very first episode and then have been on like I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you've joined as a co host, but the fact
Speaker 1: that you were there for that very first one and
Speaker 1: like you've been here for the whole process of how
Speaker 1: nervous I was that day, and then watching like us
Speaker 1: do a live show and then hit.
Speaker 2: All these the live shows.
Speaker 1: I am so sad that we couldn't do this one
Speaker 1: as a live show. That's what I would have done.
Speaker 3: I think I so.
Speaker 2: Forgot there were live shows.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, live show. One live show.
Speaker 2: There was meant to be another one though. It was
Speaker 2: meant to be, like as in, you were planning for
Speaker 2: another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we did the first one in December of
Speaker 1: twenty and nineteen, yeah, Olivia Rogers, Yeah, which was absolutely incredible,
Speaker 1: and that sold out like I was like, I still
Speaker 1: I mean again, I've said this a million times, but
Speaker 1: I still forget people listen and I still forget that
Speaker 1: it's not just you and Mum and Nick like chuney
Speaker 1: and every week, even though Nick doesn't actually listen. But
Speaker 1: for HA to have like three hundred and fifty people
Speaker 1: in a room who bought tickets to be there, it
Speaker 1: just went so well. And so I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: obviously we're going to do this every month for every quarter,
Speaker 1: and then lockdown happens, so we haven't been able to
Speaker 1: do another one, but maybe for our fourth anniversary we
Speaker 1: can organize something in yeah, what right?
Speaker 2: And then obviously your book came out as well as
Speaker 2: on the back of this, well that's on the back
Speaker 2: of everything. I guess.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, is that they I
Speaker 1: love you.
Speaker 2: She's so sweet. She just brought come alone.
Speaker 1: That was the best ever. That just made That was
Speaker 1: the best third anniversary present you could have ever.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I was like, I love funny. She
Speaker 2: brought me Kanji because I've been onto the weather today Kanji.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So there are actually so many things
Speaker 1: that being Asian but not growing up with Asian parents
Speaker 1: that I missed out on. I think Kanji is one
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kanji is like the cures all sicknesses. Honestly, it's
Speaker 2: like on the world. And there was this Chinese couple
Speaker 2: and this older Chinese man was in and he had
Speaker 2: a pretty bad it was kind of a stroke or
Speaker 2: t I a that his wife kept coming in and
Speaker 2: bringing Kanji. All the nurses like, oh my god, she
Speaker 2: just keeps coming in and bringing this thing and keeps
Speaker 2: feeding him, and I was like, guys, it's Kanji. It's
Speaker 2: pretty much gonna cure him. And they're all like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? And I was like, and then
Speaker 2: I realized how still it sounded in a hospital environment.
Speaker 2: But essentially, like in all a lot of Asian cultures,
Speaker 2: it is that the warming I think in Western culture
Speaker 2: would be the same as when everyone goes to like
Speaker 2: chicken soup as they're curing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chicken soup.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's like kanjiu. So she's made up some Kanji
Speaker 2: love but not.
Speaker 1: I also love how every single episode has like a
Speaker 1: cultural lessons.
Speaker 2: With I didn't even hear open the door. That's why
Speaker 2: when I saw her in the screen and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god.
Speaker 1: I saw her just coming and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is the best ever. I just ad
Speaker 1: bollowed her so much. Also, it's really exciting that we're
Speaker 1: recording today because we have obviously come out of lockdown
Speaker 1: or a lockdown and started easing, which is so exciting
Speaker 1: and just a little gentle reminder to everyone else in Victoria.
Speaker 1: And I think also people in Sydney and New South
Speaker 1: Wales have been through this quite recently as well that
Speaker 1: I really thought this weekend I would have rushed out
Speaker 1: to book dinners and get dressed up and go to bars.
Speaker 1: And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, Like, if.
Speaker 2: That's decided, you're going to go to a bar, please, It's.
Speaker 1: Like when people ever come from overseas are like where
Speaker 1: should we go? And I'm like, I don't know things,
Speaker 1: so just google it. I don't go anywhere. But I
Speaker 1: did think that that would, you know, I'd really want
Speaker 1: to go out and about and I'm so excited Melbourne's
Speaker 1: opening back up and we have just so many incredible places.
Speaker 1: We have the most amazing culture and rooftops, bars and
Speaker 1: you know everything. But I really just didn't feel ready
Speaker 1: and I had these weird mixed emotions of absolute elation
Speaker 1: about our freedom and so much excitement, but also like
Speaker 1: severe social anxiety about coming back out and just being
Speaker 1: so unpracticed at social interactions. So instead of that and
Speaker 1: and I just had we haven't had because we don't
Speaker 1: live within each other's bubbles, we haven't really had proper
Speaker 1: bimbi time, as we call it in ages. So we
Speaker 1: went to Urban Surf for a surf and then took
Speaker 1: ourselves out.
Speaker 2: Together.
Speaker 1: Sorry, anyone who came after us, there was nothing left.
Speaker 2: It was just like nose dive after nosedive after like
Speaker 2: head dive after I'm very hydrated.
Speaker 1: And tell you that though, I think that's why you
Speaker 1: have a cult. Because it was like two degrees and
Speaker 1: we decided.
Speaker 2: Let's see it's.
Speaker 1: That's fine chlorine. But it was just so nice to
Speaker 1: have one on one time, and I just thought it was,
Speaker 1: you know, something to remind the whole neighborhood of that. However,
Speaker 1: gradually or however quickly, you're going back out and either
Speaker 1: resuming normal or not resuming normal, or because normal may
Speaker 1: you know, you might not resume anything. You might choose
Speaker 1: all new things to put back into your life. How ever,
Speaker 1: you're adjusting to this massive new change that should feel
Speaker 1: positive but maybe doesn't. That's okay. Whatever you're feeling is
Speaker 1: all right. And today on the dad that we're recording
Speaker 1: is also my second wedding anniversary and our second that
Speaker 1: we've been in different states for, so we haven't actually
Speaker 1: spent a wedding anniversary together, which also looks a little
Speaker 1: bit different to expect it. So I'm spending it with you.
Speaker 2: I just want to preface that the wedding anniversary is
Speaker 2: not Sarah and I, although some people may believe it's
Speaker 2: actually Sarah.
Speaker 1: Nick.
Speaker 2: Just had to make that really clear. Thank you, Marry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well kind of.
Speaker 2: Relationship, you know.
Speaker 1: I said that at Urban Surf. She's like, so, you know,
Speaker 1: are you here? There someone else under the booking. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, my sister's coming. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: too hard to describe otherwise. Anyway, we had a lovely
Speaker 1: little day pottering and like so random to go surfing
Speaker 1: on the second day urban surveys, even though it's not
Speaker 1: that random, but it kind of was because it was
Speaker 1: pouring rain. But just wanted to remind everyone, whatever you're
Speaker 1: going through right now, milestones will look different all the
Speaker 1: things that you thought you'd rush back to maybe you're not,
Speaker 1: or other things you have rushed back to that you
Speaker 1: didn't expect. Whatever it is, be gentle in yourselves anyway.
Speaker 1: The structure of this episode is a Q and A,
Speaker 1: which took me ten minutes to get to. And I
Speaker 1: had this grand idea a couple of weeks ago that
Speaker 1: we would get you guys, because the whole part of
Speaker 1: an anniversary is celebrating the neighborhood. I thought I would
Speaker 1: get you guys to submit your voices so that we
Speaker 1: could have you asking some questions with your voices to
Speaker 1: be featured on the show, which is was kind of
Speaker 1: my way of like mimicking a live event because we
Speaker 1: couldn't do that because if we had had a live event,
Speaker 1: then we would have recorded your questions anyway, in person, whatever, anyway.
Speaker 1: So it turns out maybe because we're all a little
Speaker 1: bit more socially anxious, or because it just wasn't a
Speaker 1: good idea. I was like, yeay, everyone submit your voice messages,
Speaker 1: and then a grand fad and zero came in in
Speaker 1: the so I was like, so in the end, most
Speaker 1: people have submitted them as written, but we've got four
Speaker 1: really lovely sweet voice recordings to spread out in amongst
Speaker 1: all the other questions. So it'll be a bit of
Speaker 1: a mix today, which is really cute. So to those
Speaker 1: four people, thank you so much for getting on board,
Speaker 1: because hearing your voices tell your story it's just been yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely delightful. But the first one was so interesting.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say me, your mum, Paul, and your
Speaker 2: brother don't count as four people, just saying.
Speaker 1: Paul did try to submit a recording. I just didn't know.
Speaker 1: I couldn't, you know, without capturing you, Like, how am
Speaker 1: I going to tran like Osland? It was really hard.
Speaker 1: He has an email account, you know, it's just to
Speaker 1: just dexter it. It just wasn't great. Speaking of Also,
Speaker 1: I wore this because I wore this, you know, my
Speaker 1: favorite jumper, yeah, from our wedding, the pool jumper. I
Speaker 1: had so many people ask about this jumper the other
Speaker 1: days if they'd never seen it before. I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: I wear this every day. Like it started as light gray,
Speaker 1: it's now dark gray because that's how often I wear it.
Speaker 1: But I thought I would wear it because so many
Speaker 1: people have asked about where it's from. It's from Sweater Club,
Speaker 1: which is an amazingness. A friend of ours or you
Speaker 1: love a sweater club, go and check them out. This
Speaker 1: is from Print your Pet. They've got like a Print
Speaker 1: your Pet. So mostly it's embroidery and custom logos and
Speaker 1: all kinds of amazing merch they do. All the shameless
Speaker 1: charity merch. Colby is absolutely amazing, but they also print
Speaker 1: your pets onto a jumper and it's the greatest thing
Speaker 1: in the entire world. So just I would wear that anyway.
Speaker 1: Got our first recording, which was emailed through to us
Speaker 1: from Daniella Kim. It was so sweet. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to play it so that you can all hear it.
Speaker 1: And it really got me thinking, I love these episodes
Speaker 1: because you always ask really interesting questions that I never
Speaker 1: stop and take a moment to think about. So here
Speaker 1: is the.
Speaker 4: Question, hire Sarah, and and it's Dunning here from Sydney.
Speaker 4: And I thought i'd ask you guys to do an
Speaker 4: on the spot acrostic poem using your names about what
Speaker 4: you have learned through twenty twenty and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: Thought it would be a funny one to get you laughing,
Speaker 4: but also to simultaneously reflect and think about all the
Speaker 4: incredible personal growth that you guys may have had through
Speaker 4: this very difficult nearly two years of our lives.
Speaker 2: I love that one, although I don't feel like my
Speaker 2: vocabulary is good enough to be able to figure that
Speaker 2: many words with specific first letters, But I think you
Speaker 2: should go first. As a curteous best friend, I think.
Speaker 1: You should also. I was like, Angelina is a really
Speaker 1: long name. It is a really long acrostic poem.
Speaker 2: And there's also a lot of repeated letters. Then when
Speaker 2: I first when you first said that, all I could
Speaker 2: think of my with a was like a mess, but.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: Mess, yeah, mess. Well, okay, so maybe we do a
Speaker 1: letter at ad like a letter each or do we
Speaker 1: do both our names like Sarah and Ange which doesn't
Speaker 1: have any everyone just making sure it but we both
Speaker 1: answer for each letter? Why do we do that?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Okay? So clearly we haven't discussed this, guys. Yeah, Danielle,
Speaker 1: it was like on the spot, we literally mean on
Speaker 1: the spot. Okay, So letter S, this is my first
Speaker 1: letter of the acrostic put this is going to take
Speaker 1: us so long. It's going to be such a long
Speaker 1: wet My S would be slow. I think I'm so
Speaker 1: glad S is the first letter, actually, because over the
Speaker 1: last two years, the biggest revelation, which I was kind
Speaker 1: of having anyway but just not executing very well, was
Speaker 1: just slowing down everything, work, rest, even play, Like I
Speaker 1: was even doing rest on high speed, Like I was
Speaker 1: just trying to cram so much in and the speed
Speaker 1: of everything, but for no reason, like the deadlines were artificial.
Speaker 1: I was just putting all this pressure on myself. Like
Speaker 1: I literally the day I handed in my book manuscript
Speaker 1: before it even was published, I was like, when do
Speaker 1: I do book two? And then how do I plan
Speaker 1: Book three? Like I just was always so ahead of
Speaker 1: myself and really had gotten to the point where I
Speaker 1: actively remember the last week out of lockdown. We had
Speaker 1: eleven days in a row of events day and night,
Speaker 1: which was such a privilege and so exciting, But nobody
Speaker 1: has enough emotional energy to enjoy every single one of those.
Speaker 1: And I just I think when you go too fast
Speaker 1: or you overload too much, you can't possibly enjoy what
Speaker 1: you're doing because there's just too much of it, Like
Speaker 1: and that whole idea of you can have too much
Speaker 1: of a good thing. Slowing down has meant I just
Speaker 1: have you know, been reconnected with how beautiful gardening is
Speaker 1: and like plants, or how lovely walking is, like how
Speaker 1: even running, Like sometimes you can walk and not run
Speaker 1: and that's okay. It's not a waste of not sweating
Speaker 1: and having you know, like or if you go for
Speaker 1: a walk that's three k not eight k, like that's
Speaker 1: also fine.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I just everything was on steroids. So that slowness of
Speaker 1: reading again and not needing to take my phone to
Speaker 1: the toilet and always be stimulated and having a bath
Speaker 1: but without having to take a book and a movie
Speaker 1: and whatever. You know, it's just been beautiful.
Speaker 2: Your phone to the toilet is a very important activity.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but just slowing it down, like okay,
Speaker 1: this way overshare but like I would even rush my poos,
Speaker 1: like I'd just be like, you know, now, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have a good sit I'll find some memes. I'll
Speaker 1: do some rro GARMI with my toilet always always crane
Speaker 1: a bit of a crane yep, bit of a you
Speaker 1: know those games where you like fold them chatter box games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I play the game with myself. But great at the
Speaker 1: start of start the pandemic, I reckon. I was like
Speaker 1: just rushing my poos like I'd be like, I don't
Speaker 1: have time for this, Like seriously, I need to get going.
Speaker 1: I won't even take my phone because I'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: I need to be in and out. Now you're slowing down.
Speaker 1: It's really nice. I'm so queckett that you are.
Speaker 2: Like in did you weed? Did your food?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: It just happened.
Speaker 1: Who could say it's a mystery? Did she?
Speaker 2: Did she even stand up? Not sure? Do I use?
Speaker 2: Do I go for S as well? Or do I
Speaker 2: now go for? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so okay, yeah, I think you go for
Speaker 1: I spent.
Speaker 2: That whole time half zoned in, half zone out because
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of it a letter so
Speaker 2: I name, I mean a word zone with S and
Speaker 2: I feel like this is a really high pressure environment.
Speaker 1: So all I could think of was it's really I
Speaker 1: just said, slow down. It's not high pressure, it's slow yeah,
Speaker 1: so no pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So my words that I thought of was so long?
Speaker 1: Didn't you do English language? To be like, really sure?
Speaker 1: What's so long?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: It was so long and it was so.
Speaker 2: Long it just felt like as it's weird. It went
Speaker 2: so quickly, but it lasted for so long. Like, on reflection,
Speaker 2: the fact that we were in there for two hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty odd days and that's in stage four lockdown
Speaker 2: is nuts. The fact that two years ago at this
Speaker 2: time I was what was I doing? I was like,
Speaker 2: we were just about organizing our trip overseas and that
Speaker 2: was going to be our last year for a very
Speaker 2: long time. But the fact that Judy's been here for
Speaker 2: a year, almost two years, and she was meant to
Speaker 2: be here for three months is so long. It's been
Speaker 2: a long long time long so like, so I locked
Speaker 2: in my S letter as so long it.
Speaker 1: Be such a bad game. I'd like an S please
Speaker 1: for so long?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's been long, but quick it's been.
Speaker 2: There's some good things about Lockdown, but the one thing
Speaker 2: is that there were always goals that were looking forward
Speaker 2: to at the end of it. Now, you know when
Speaker 2: you set goals and looking forward to things, it goes
Speaker 2: by quicker. But no, it that's not really long. I
Speaker 2: think that's also why the adjustment back to normal life
Speaker 2: will be hard, because I don't think people have realized
Speaker 2: it's been almost two years of this distancing and separation
Speaker 2: from people you love and just I'm lucky because I
Speaker 2: get to go to work every day and talk to
Speaker 2: people like I would normally. But people underestimate the strength
Speaker 2: of practicing social skills and just talking to people and
Speaker 2: hearing other people's stories and hugging and all of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Even think simple things like ordering something from a cafe.
Speaker 2: The social interaction is really important, I think for us
Speaker 2: as a society. And it has been really long, and
Speaker 2: that's all I can think of.
Speaker 1: It's just been a long long, so long, so long
Speaker 1: long it's been. We have so many a's to deal with,
Speaker 1: but I've actually got quite a few. For A I
Speaker 1: think my first A is one of those really annoying
Speaker 1: words that we should make a drinking game over. I
Speaker 1: do not pivot, but it's similar. It's similar. It's like
Speaker 1: agile or adaptable agility. Yeah, but it's such a buzzword now,
Speaker 1: but it's so our epiphany. Absolutely. It just so summarizes
Speaker 1: how I've again like gone from planning everything and having
Speaker 1: really clear goals and really clear timelines for those goals.
Speaker 1: Even being less planned than I was as a corporate
Speaker 1: in business, I still kind of had some structure of
Speaker 1: like the future and what I know thought each month
Speaker 1: or each even each quarter would look like. And I
Speaker 1: think the quote that I've loved so much, and I've
Speaker 1: said it so many times is when nothing is certain,
Speaker 1: anything is possible. So even though it's been really tough
Speaker 1: and a lot of loss in people having to let
Speaker 1: go of how they thought things would look like, I
Speaker 1: also think clearing the slate has meant that because there
Speaker 1: are no plans, you can do anything. And people have
Speaker 1: let go of like convention or tradition or whatever might
Speaker 1: have made them stick with one plan to the exclusion
Speaker 1: of anything else. This uncertainty has meant we can all
Speaker 1: just be anyone or do anything, and that's so exciting.
Speaker 1: I think that that agility and just re evaluating the
Speaker 1: plan every five days or every four days, you know,
Speaker 1: is like incredibly stressful but also really full of possibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I could say another, but actually really
Speaker 2: like adaptable, And I also realize there's many as for
Speaker 2: us to get through, So I'm going to see with
Speaker 2: adaptable values all of my whole entire lexicon on a words.
Speaker 2: But I think Adain was good. I think something we're
Speaker 2: using in the hospital all the time because we're constantly
Speaker 2: pivoting or adapting to a new service or a new protocol,
Speaker 2: no kidding. Almost every week there's a new PPE protocol
Speaker 2: that somehow has to be communicated to the whole organization
Speaker 2: and then has to be reflective of DHS and all
Speaker 2: these things. And I think that's one thing that has
Speaker 2: shown to be really great about the whole society and everyone.
Speaker 2: Everyone's been able to adapt to change really quickly and
Speaker 2: really well, although it's kind of like we've been forced
Speaker 2: to do it, but at the same time, we've all
Speaker 2: coked really well, like we've done two years of this,
Speaker 2: which is testament to our ability to be able to
Speaker 2: change and respond and be reactive as much as we can.
Speaker 2: I think this has been really hard to be proactive
Speaker 2: about because there's so much uncertainty. Because normally I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love being proactive, like you know, organized things before
Speaker 2: the matter, you know, and get prepared and you know,
Speaker 2: but this one you literally can't prepare for because nobody
Speaker 2: knows what's going to happen the next day. No one
Speaker 2: knows what strength is going to come. So everyone's been
Speaker 2: really great. I think it's been like seeing the cafes,
Speaker 2: for example, be really innovative on how to be sustainable
Speaker 2: as a business, to see how zoom and online things
Speaker 2: have become a huge part of life and work and efficiency.
Speaker 2: To see, Yeah, it's been really cool. I think adaptable
Speaker 2: is a good one, good decision.
Speaker 1: So your answer was basically what she said, Well, pretty much,
Speaker 1: but you don't have okay for me is relationships. I
Speaker 1: think it's been one of those times of really feeling
Speaker 1: the people that you miss when you don't get to
Speaker 1: see them all the time, and also maybe noticing the
Speaker 1: people that you don't or the routines that you don't,
Speaker 1: but kind of getting a bit more clarity on which
Speaker 1: things you were doing out of habit or which relationships
Speaker 1: you were keeping out of habit, and which ones really
Speaker 1: contribute so much to your joy and well being that
Speaker 1: when you don't have them, you miss them. That's been
Speaker 1: really clarifying for me. It's also been really interesting to
Speaker 1: see how as you get older. I know this sounds
Speaker 1: so like as you get out at every decade, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like I'm such an old lady. But really
Speaker 1: you don't need as many people as I thought I
Speaker 1: did when I was younger. I've had like a lot
Speaker 1: deeper friendships, but less of them, and I've really missed those,
Speaker 1: But those huge, big events, I really haven't missed those
Speaker 1: as much. And finding new ways to foster those relationships
Speaker 1: without being able to see each other has been weird, hard,
Speaker 1: but also really fun like zoom trivia and us like
Speaker 1: doing like we used to. Literally you lived here for
Speaker 1: months and so much of our friendship is travel and
Speaker 1: spontaneity and we've had to like figure out ways to
Speaker 1: you know, do fun stuff. And yeah, relationships I think
Speaker 1: has been a big area of change, but growth.
Speaker 2: Okay, So my word is similar to your adaptable word
Speaker 2: in that it's so cliche, but it's just the right
Speaker 2: word for it. Are you ready? It's actually a good
Speaker 2: one this time. Resilient.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm such a good one.
Speaker 2: I know, cut deep, resilience, massive, huge like for us,
Speaker 2: Like I said, you know, on the back of my slung.
Speaker 2: It's been a long ride, and I respect so much
Speaker 2: all of the small businesses that have pushed through for
Speaker 2: this time. I could not igin owning or running a
Speaker 2: physical store or cafe or restaurant, And every time we
Speaker 2: go into lockdown, my heart breaks for them, just because
Speaker 2: I think, obviously we're all affected. But if you break
Speaker 2: it down, there's cafes and stuff had to figure out
Speaker 2: their food, like their food wastage, that stuff that's ordered
Speaker 2: weeks in advance, and you know if you get told
Speaker 2: the day of that the next day and you're in lockdown,
Speaker 2: what are you meant to do with all of that?
Speaker 2: Like obviously there's takeaway, but not nearly to the same value.
Speaker 2: Is there enough enough orders to make it worthwhile? And
Speaker 2: things like that, So all our little back end things,
Speaker 2: and I think small business owners had been and shows
Speaker 2: such huge resilience to keep going and to keep the
Speaker 2: businesses that they love and they're passionate about alive, even
Speaker 2: though for five out of six lockdowns we were like
Speaker 2: is there any light to the end of the tunnel?
Speaker 2: Like is there is? This just going to be it
Speaker 2: for a very very long time. So I think resilience
Speaker 2: in small businesses has been incredible. And then obviously resilience
Speaker 2: within my fallow healthcare workers just keep going has been
Speaker 2: really admirable, I think. So that's my word of choice.
Speaker 1: Oh that's such a good one. I really love it.
Speaker 1: Bim Okay, we've got another a Oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: so many.
Speaker 2: They came up. We're starting with a a bit daunting.
Speaker 1: My god, so slow, so long? Do you know Shlongman's penis?
Speaker 1: I'm just checking that you know that because you keep
Speaker 1: saying it really late.
Speaker 2: I did not know that.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you, to be honest. I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't say yeah. So my letter A is hmmm two.
Speaker 1: This is kind of a double answer. They kind of related.
Speaker 1: So acceptance and awareness. I've really learned all the words
Speaker 1: possible this way, I said I'd go first, So really
Speaker 1: accepting the things you can't change, because I spend a
Speaker 1: lot of energy and worry on things that really I
Speaker 1: actually have no control over. In which case it's like,
Speaker 1: if you know there are things you can change, so
Speaker 1: worry about those. You've only got a certain amount of
Speaker 1: emotional energy, so don't try it. Like if once you're
Speaker 1: in lockdown, there's really nothing you can do about it,
Speaker 1: as shit as it is or as hard as it is,
Speaker 1: like the quickest thing you can do is just learn
Speaker 1: to accept it, but then be aware of how to
Speaker 1: adapt to it as quickly as you can. And then
Speaker 1: awareness comes into that because one of the things that
Speaker 1: comes with speed and going too fast is that you
Speaker 1: don't have time to actually listen to what your body's
Speaker 1: saying or what your mind is saying. And I've been
Speaker 1: able to notice much more how and be more aware
Speaker 1: of like what does feel good and what doesn't, Like
Speaker 1: I've actually had time to listen and like this weekend,
Speaker 1: you know what feels good. Be aware enough to know
Speaker 1: that you don't want to rush back out you don't
Speaker 1: actually feel like doing that. So there's so many things
Speaker 1: I do out of habit or out of just because
Speaker 1: I think I should, and I don't even check like
Speaker 1: do I actually want to do that or do I
Speaker 1: actually feel like that today. So being more aware and
Speaker 1: then accepting those like that state of affairs or state
Speaker 1: of emotions has been like a really big, really big learning.
Speaker 1: And also that when you're emotionally just feeling crap or
Speaker 1: you're really anxious or just you know, I would always
Speaker 1: push through before, and now I've realized that's just so
Speaker 1: not productive, really unkind to yourself. Accepting that you feel
Speaker 1: like that and making a bit of space around it
Speaker 1: is so important.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good one. Well, so you use adaptable a
Speaker 2: lot in that and just saying you just read excly
Speaker 2: English police or something. But anyway, my one is this
Speaker 2: is just a word that I think of when I
Speaker 2: think back about our lockdown time, like it's another hyphenated word, sorry,
Speaker 2: anxiety field. I think, yeah, I think we were in
Speaker 2: this like a tumultuous ride of just up and downness
Speaker 2: of you know, one week being feeling really good about
Speaker 2: the prospect of things and then the next day being
Speaker 2: so anxious about what's going to come next and if
Speaker 2: we're ever going to survive, we'll get through. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's probably driven a lot of people's anxiety, Like it's
Speaker 2: made it a lot worse to people that already suffer
Speaker 2: from pretty bad, debilitating anxiety. And then I think for
Speaker 2: others as well, I think it's brought upon maybe a
Speaker 2: lot more anxious feelings. Like even even I think out
Speaker 2: of lockdown, I knew a lot of people that were
Speaker 2: really anxious just to get out, you know, like the
Speaker 2: thought of it and the sound of it sounds really exciting,
Speaker 2: but the actual execution of going out with a bunch
Speaker 2: of friends which drinks, brings people a lot of anxiety
Speaker 2: to do. And like you and I as well, you know,
Speaker 2: like every second week, every third week, you're in. Anxiety
Speaker 2: is kind of you know, up and then down in
Speaker 2: and up and then down with it, And it's been
Speaker 2: really hard to find triggers and to stabilize it, just
Speaker 2: because it's all the stuff that you would do to
Speaker 2: balance it out you can't do, like go see your friends,
Speaker 2: or go travel or go for a road trip and
Speaker 2: things like that that we've found that really feels our
Speaker 2: soul we could do. So Yeah, I think it would
Speaker 2: be a miss for us to say that it was
Speaker 2: also be staying from a mental health standpoint, But I
Speaker 2: think anxiety is definitely something that I think about when
Speaker 2: I think about the last two years, a very anxiety field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And I even last night we meant to
Speaker 1: record this after our big day out and I just
Speaker 1: found it so so like it filled my cup so
Speaker 1: much to spend time together. But also because our threshold
Speaker 1: for energy is so much lower because we're not used
Speaker 1: to being Yeah, and I was really anxious last night,
Speaker 1: like just because I hadn't used that much energy in
Speaker 1: so long. Like even being at a cafe was kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, there's so many people around,
Speaker 1: so I think, yeah, being really gentle, do.
Speaker 2: You know, weirdly, I just when I started the cafe,
Speaker 2: I was like, do you know, I don't feel like
Speaker 2: a sense of oh, we're at a cafe. I just
Speaker 2: kind of felt like it was normal. It was like
Speaker 2: it didn't feel like this big first time at a
Speaker 2: cafe thing. But I don't know what it will take
Speaker 2: for me to be like, Okay, this is something I
Speaker 2: haven't done for a long time.
Speaker 1: I think for me it will be at an airport,
Speaker 1: will be like what I'm.
Speaker 2: Dying to go to an airport, even if it just
Speaker 2: like just just just stand there for an hour. I
Speaker 2: just I love airports honestly.
Speaker 1: Just to look at the baggage claim going around around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then just look at the morning
Speaker 2: then leave. Like you know, what will be the like
Speaker 2: the moment where you like, you genuinely feel like it's
Speaker 2: like something's changes when you can just walk into your
Speaker 2: friend's house. Oh yeah, like is this lawful?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I just like I love being at people's houses and
Speaker 2: my friend's houses and having dinner and making dinner and
Speaker 2: hanging out and watching TV and leaving whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like home gatherings will be really lovely.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, sorry, now what are we at h h.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so my first one is hairy and that
Speaker 1: needs no explanation, but I feel like that's the one
Speaker 1: that sums up a lot of our experiences. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: the other one is heroes, And particularly after our episode
Speaker 1: dedicated to the frontline workers and healthcare workers who have
Speaker 1: just been Oh my god, that little gift pack sending
Speaker 1: out like mail out thing we did was just filled
Speaker 1: my heart so much. The businesses have got on board,
Speaker 1: the yaborhood members who sent packages to other people who
Speaker 1: had been nominated like it was just so beautiful. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was less than one percent or point
Speaker 1: oh one percent of the story out there of people
Speaker 1: who have been absolute heroes through this entire time, without complaining,
Speaker 1: without needing recognition, without any kind of profile to spread
Speaker 1: the word of how hard it's been, you know, the
Speaker 1: silent pandemic that's been faced by all the workers who
Speaker 1: have been keeping the system going, including yourself. I think
Speaker 1: heroes is something that really sums up how people have
Speaker 1: shown up and exceeded all expectations over the past.
Speaker 2: A little while good one bam. Hero dislike the word
Speaker 2: diligence perfect okay h for me, H is also on
Speaker 2: the back of hero I think there's been a lot
Speaker 2: of like people that you wouldn't have automatically thought were
Speaker 2: heroes as heroes, you know what I mean, he would
Speaker 2: have kids. It's a very like not her role week job,
Speaker 2: but it's you kind of would fall into the category of,
Speaker 2: you know, being like a hero. There's been so many
Speaker 2: other amazing people that have studied initiatives that are so
Speaker 2: awesome throughout this whole lockdown, and there's a new appreciation
Speaker 2: with all types of teachers, for example, always been awesome,
Speaker 2: but man, oh my goodness, seeking like students I presume
Speaker 2: for two years is nuts.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how many of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be able to in the start to
Speaker 2: be like what would you do to like engage students,
Speaker 2: which is already an issue in a classroom, to keep
Speaker 2: people engaged, to have new kind of homework and new
Speaker 2: ways of teaching and digit doing online you know, marking
Speaker 2: papers and like not getting the physical submissions. I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't, but yes, the lot of Yeah, anyway, my word,
Speaker 2: first I was gonna say hemorrhoid, but I thought it
Speaker 2: was a bit inappropriate.
Speaker 1: So on the topic of health and it's giving health
Speaker 1: advice for hemorrhoids. It's your beauty channel. Do you have
Speaker 1: a cream to recommend them?
Speaker 2: I'll tell you later. It's a little bit excit.
Speaker 1: This should be behind your paywall.
Speaker 2: Oh god, Okay, So my first choice is hemorrhoid. My
Speaker 2: second choice is kind of sounds a little bit like
Speaker 2: a bit silly but happy. Actually, despite all of the
Speaker 2: sadness and and the impact on small businesses and people's
Speaker 2: mental health and hospital and healthcare and kind of everyone
Speaker 2: has been affected, I still find like my personal experience
Speaker 2: has been largely happy, mainly because I live with my family,
Speaker 2: which has been an absolute saving grace. I realized that's
Speaker 2: a really lucky thing to have been able to do.
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of people's sadness came from
Speaker 2: not being with their family, so this is like a
Speaker 2: very personal thing that I've found that there's been a
Speaker 2: lot of happiness within our family. I've done a lot
Speaker 2: of games nights and a lot of karaoke and Jui,
Speaker 2: which has been so nice, and a lot of laughter.
Speaker 2: So I yeah, honestly, I have been so so so
Speaker 2: lucky that coming home for me is a really happy environment.
Speaker 2: So that's my page.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's really lovely. That's so nice, bim. I can't
Speaker 1: believe you have another A. This is a bit of
Speaker 1: a disaster, so aver Ange. I think is animals because
Speaker 1: Paul has been like one of the aforementioned heroes of
Speaker 1: the pandemic. As you know, Nick's been away for so
Speaker 1: much of this time, And I guess the other A
Speaker 1: is alone, like spending so much time alone compared to
Speaker 1: how much time I don't usually spend alone. And particularly
Speaker 1: in the first year of Lockdown, we were like in
Speaker 1: each other's faces twenty four seven, which was also amazing,
Speaker 1: like we don't sort of struggle with that kind of
Speaker 1: you know, being around each other all the time. But
Speaker 1: it's also really good to have alone time. But also
Speaker 1: in moments of really high anxiety, I found just being
Speaker 1: with Paul like so lovely. He's just they just bring
Speaker 1: so much joy. They're so happy to see you. Their
Speaker 1: worlds are very simple, like if I'm about to have
Speaker 1: a panic attack, he'll come over before I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to have one. He's just been really He loves Instagram,
Speaker 1: he loves making reels. He's made a lot of people laugh,
Speaker 1: you know, he loves his costumes, like we have a
Speaker 1: cuddle every like all day, every day, we cuddle all night,
Speaker 1: Like he's just he's just the best. So animals, I
Speaker 1: think also realizing like, yeah, they're just truly a man's
Speaker 1: best friend. Yeah, and animal videos have brought me so
Speaker 1: much joy.
Speaker 2: Also, Okay, my a word, My first A word is
Speaker 2: obviously everyone's thinking about this one. Antibodies, we were all
Speaker 2: thinking it.
Speaker 1: I saved it for you.
Speaker 2: I know, one of those cliche words, you know, how
Speaker 2: did you find it?
Speaker 1: Lockdown antibodies? I always always no.
Speaker 2: I think appreciative is probably one of the words. Appreciative.
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of just all that you have. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I think I've realized my privilege in this time to
Speaker 2: have what I have, and to have a job that
Speaker 2: I have, and to continue to work and go running
Speaker 2: with my friends still and ley've really close to work
Speaker 2: and my five K was always really nice. So yeah,
Speaker 2: really appreciative of all of that and the support that
Speaker 2: I've personally received from my friends.
Speaker 1: And oh that's really lovely. I kind of need. I
Speaker 1: kind of don't have any ND words, but then I
Speaker 1: just sort of one. I really had to look it up.
Speaker 1: I was like Wow, I really have no vocabulary. I
Speaker 1: think my end is never. There are so many things
Speaker 1: I used to use the word never in relation to,
Speaker 1: and this past little while has really made me think, like,
Speaker 1: that's just not a word. You just don't need to
Speaker 1: limit your opportunities or potential or even things that you
Speaker 1: might want to do. Like I've always just said, oh
Speaker 1: I would never do that or I'd never be interested.
Speaker 1: But I just don't really think you can say that,
Speaker 1: and I think it limits you so much when you
Speaker 1: use that word. So the one of my big learnings
Speaker 1: coming out of it is like, you don't need to
Speaker 1: say never about anything, really, because particularly making decisions before
Speaker 1: the pandemic about like oh, I'd never want to go there,
Speaker 1: or oh, like you know, we'll never not be out
Speaker 1: of travel, so we might as well do it now.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, maybe you might not be out of travel,
Speaker 1: so you should do it now, you know. I just
Speaker 1: think we bandy that word around a lot, and I
Speaker 1: think it shapes your world more than you think it would.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice, nice nice.
Speaker 2: My end is again something that I think everyone can
Speaker 2: agree with. My end is necrosis. When I think about lockdown,
Speaker 2: I think about necrosis all the time. But my actual
Speaker 2: n word is probably non negotiables have been very important.
Speaker 1: I know, no double there you go, Oh yeah, yeah done.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have been very important in this lockdown life
Speaker 2: is to do all the things that make you happy
Speaker 2: every day without so you know how you're like, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to bring my phone to my toilet or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's non negotiable for me, so therefore I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so little things more often than not, what I
Speaker 2: used to do this routine where if I had the
Speaker 2: morning off, which has been a lot recently because I've
Speaker 2: been working shift work, I've walked to the local cafe
Speaker 2: and they've been really cute and they leave yesterday's paper
Speaker 2: for me to take, and then I do the crosswords
Speaker 2: and read yesterday's paper. So like I walk in, get
Speaker 2: my same drink, get my paper, go home, start the
Speaker 2: day that way. And that became almost like on the
Speaker 2: days of the mornings I had off, a non negotiable
Speaker 2: just set up my day, but things like checking out
Speaker 2: my friend each week, or friends each week, going for
Speaker 2: the runs with my friends, regardless of whether all that stuff,
Speaker 2: because I realized made it really happy, making sure that
Speaker 2: I rode my bike still and then get lazy to
Speaker 2: drive my car because it's free parking. Yeah, all of
Speaker 2: the non negotiables have been.
Speaker 1: Really oh that's a really good one. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we made it to our last letter. Actually for me generosity,
Speaker 1: I think there's been so much generosity between people, but
Speaker 1: also actually a really lovely reminder that's fine. It's got
Speaker 1: a silent batman symbol at the start. Also, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's also been a really nice reminder to be
Speaker 1: more generous and to send little messages through the day
Speaker 1: or really small and gesture small gestures also a j
Speaker 1: can be really they can make someone's day more than
Speaker 1: you ever know, and you don't need to do. You know,
Speaker 1: we haven't really been able to see each other or
Speaker 1: turn up at each other's houses, but you can make
Speaker 1: really small generous gestures that like a compliment or something
Speaker 1: that makes people's day really happy without much effort. That's
Speaker 1: been a really nice realization.
Speaker 2: Nice. My g is gratitude or grateful, but THEE and
Speaker 2: appreciation Gratitude Journal, both starting with Jay's Gratitudeude Journal and
Speaker 2: then but secondary to GE's Grandmother's because they've just been.
Speaker 1: Oh you're grand your famous Grandmas. I, but yes, lots
Speaker 1: of lots of grammar action. Oh they're the best. I
Speaker 1: love them so much. See earlier in this episode for reference. Okay,
Speaker 1: we made it through. Imagine if we've done Angelina. I know,
Speaker 1: Lord Elephant to Elephants. Every day, I'm gonna play bimb
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play the other voice ones because otherwise we'll
Speaker 1: just forget what we're up to, So let me just
Speaker 1: do those first. Also, because so sweet that they made
Speaker 1: the effort to send them, so I can believe that
Speaker 1: it took us forty three minutes.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I Also, every time I do one of these, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to just make it short and snappy, and
Speaker 1: I just can't do that. That's just me my blood. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's another one.
Speaker 5: This is from Nicky's Hey Sarah, I've got two questions
Speaker 5: for the third Anniversary podcast episode and also third Anniversary
Speaker 5: that's super exciting. My first question is about your dance days.
Speaker 5: I love to know more about your experience when you
Speaker 5: were dancing, how'd you get into it and what made
Speaker 5: you enjoy it so much? And then also did you
Speaker 5: do any other sports as you're growing up? And my
Speaker 5: second question, I know You've done a bit of traveling
Speaker 5: in your life, and hopefully traveling is coming back soon,
Speaker 5: so I'd love to know are there any travel stories
Speaker 5: that you have that you might not have shared before,
Speaker 5: and then also what are some tips you would have
Speaker 5: when traveling to really be able to connect with the culture.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, looking forward to the episode.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much, Nikki. Great questions. I love
Speaker 1: when people ask really random ones. Dancing was amazing, such
Speaker 1: an amazing part of my life. I started when I
Speaker 1: was three, as like lots of little girls do, started
Speaker 1: just doing ballet, and then very quickly after that added
Speaker 1: tap and jazz and contemporary and everything, and then of
Speaker 1: course being a hardcore a type, at five or six,
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to go pro, so then
Speaker 1: started taking it really seriously, started training with the Australian
Speaker 1: Ballet the Junior school in primary school I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: in like maybe grade four or five, and then kept
Speaker 1: going all the way through until year ten when you
Speaker 1: had to choose to go full time and give up
Speaker 1: school or keep going. So it was like actually the
Speaker 1: major part of my younger life and the first career
Speaker 1: that I ever thought I would have loved it. It
Speaker 1: taught me so much about discipline. I gave me so
Speaker 1: many friendships, time management, having to put that in between
Speaker 1: school and just moving your body and creative expression. And
Speaker 1: I absolutely adored it so much so that I did everything,
Speaker 1: like every kind of dance, but it was mainly ballet,
Speaker 1: obviously with the Australian Ballet.
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't do shuffling.
Speaker 1: I didn't. You don't know. I didn't do shuffling. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it taught me so many valuable things. But I don't
Speaker 1: actually regret leaving it because Mum just said, please finish school.
Speaker 1: You've only got two years to go, because you'll always
Speaker 1: have a backup or as if you get injured, you
Speaker 1: never know what could end, like it's quite a tenuous career.
Speaker 1: So I did that. It was very, very wonderful advice
Speaker 1: because by the time I did finish school, I'd realized,
Speaker 1: oh wait, there's boys and parties and other things outside
Speaker 1: of ballet, and also realized, you know, sometimes you do
Speaker 1: have to get really realistic about things to realize like
Speaker 1: it's a very very small world. They aren't that many
Speaker 1: big companies in the world. And I just wasn't good enough,
Speaker 1: Like I just was not I was good, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be, you know, a prima ballerina, so
Speaker 1: it really structured my younger years so beautifully. But it
Speaker 1: was a chapter, you know, as I always say. And
Speaker 1: I did all sorts of other sports as well. I've
Speaker 1: always like loved netball and basketball, footy, cricket, like taekwondo.
Speaker 1: I kind of tried everything. And that's my favorite thing
Speaker 1: about school is that you don't have to be a
Speaker 1: pro at everything. You can just try everything. So I
Speaker 1: would say getting your kids involved in anything extracurricular really
Speaker 1: helps round them out as a person and gives them
Speaker 1: so many you know, and and you're the same you
Speaker 1: did every sport, except we're actually really good at them all.
Speaker 1: I think it's such a beautiful way to diversify your
Speaker 1: school experience. And then travel, I miss it so much.
Speaker 1: It is my favorite thing. I could talk about both
Speaker 1: of those things for like whole episodes. But there's not
Speaker 1: really many travel stories I haven't told because I overshare everything.
Speaker 1: Maybe one that I've only mentioned maybe once that was
Speaker 1: so random is when we were in Jordan, and also
Speaker 1: has a random trip to Jordan where she just like
Speaker 1: booked a ticket and then went there by I know true.
Speaker 1: Our weird one was we bought tickets to the World
Speaker 1: Cup match between Australia and I can't even remember who
Speaker 1: else was playing, but we ran into some random We
Speaker 1: heard some Australian accent when we were in a crowd,
Speaker 1: and it was this guy from like Ivanhoe I think, anyway,
Speaker 1: this random Melbourne suburb and his cousin was related to
Speaker 1: the King or something, and so we got VVIP tickets
Speaker 1: to go into the King's box and watch. It got very,
Speaker 1: very very and the ticket literally says VVIP, and he
Speaker 1: pulled us over, like pushed us up in the crowd
Speaker 1: of people. We CrowdSurf like over the gate to get in.
Speaker 1: It was just like you know, when you're traveling, just
Speaker 1: the most randommest shit happens. Yeah, that's one of the
Speaker 1: random ones. That's so random, that's so awesome.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to do it, the randomness.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: And then one of the other ones, we were in
Speaker 1: Tel Aviv in Israel and we're on the beach and
Speaker 1: there's this like paddle ball game that they play on
Speaker 1: the beach. You can't wry what it's called, but there
Speaker 1: was this random little old man who looked like a
Speaker 1: turtle who was so cute. And he saw us watching
Speaker 1: and he's like, come to my house. So he walked
Speaker 1: like a block to his house and he had no bed,
Speaker 1: but the entire house, like every room had those paddles
Speaker 1: like all over the walls, and it was like the
Speaker 1: shrine to the sport with like newspaper articles from when
Speaker 1: it first started, and we've got all these photos. Nick
Speaker 1: and I like, how do we get out of here?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? But it was so sweet but so weird. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we stayed there and in bad has a cup of
Speaker 1: tea and we like it was like he'd made this
Speaker 1: private museum to this game. Anyway, it was so cute.
Speaker 1: But just I love with traveling how you just meet
Speaker 1: so many random people and find out about so many
Speaker 1: random things. And I would say best way to immerse
Speaker 1: yourself culturally. There are so many different things you can do,
Speaker 1: but I would say learning how to say hello and
Speaker 1: goodbye or thank you, like just a couple of words
Speaker 1: in the language will open up. I think people when
Speaker 1: you show that you're making an effort, they get really
Speaker 1: excited and then they're more likely to share, Oh, you
Speaker 1: should go to see this place or like, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a real way to connect with people in
Speaker 1: the beginning. You don't have to learn a whole language,
Speaker 1: but just saying a couple of words has opened up
Speaker 1: so many conversations for me that have ended up in
Speaker 1: random experiences and local hotspots that you never would have
Speaker 1: found out about. I think that's been yeah, a really
Speaker 1: lovely thing in traveling and just yeah, looking up things
Speaker 1: off the beaten track, not just the tourist.
Speaker 2: Traps being I used to do, which I used to
Speaker 2: try to speak the language I could. But I also
Speaker 2: realized that if you learn how are you response alusly
Speaker 2: because so many people that I was like how are
Speaker 2: you and they're like.
Speaker 1: Hello, that's all you can say in return hollow by
Speaker 1: exit entry airport.
Speaker 2: My ball just quit, just really in my ball away
Speaker 2: of immersing yourself in the you know, cap surf. So
Speaker 2: if you're a bit of the.
Speaker 1: Yes, I recommend okay also next one, oh yeah, sorry plas.
Speaker 2: Fus why not been on the back of that, there's
Speaker 2: actually a question that came in from Jackie in our
Speaker 2: that's so good.
Speaker 1: So many I think one that just is such a
Speaker 1: highlight is was that Jordan troop it's because I just
Speaker 1: finished UNI. I finished in the middle of the year,
Speaker 1: and I didn't start my job until the start of
Speaker 1: the year after, so I actually had a glory six
Speaker 1: month period of nothing like, no obligations, no responsibilities, no dates,
Speaker 1: no deadlines, nothing, And I saved my whole UNI for
Speaker 1: that trip, knowing I would have like a graduation trip.
Speaker 1: We spent two nights in Dubai. Then we went and
Speaker 1: did two weeks in Israel, a week in Jordan, a
Speaker 1: week in Turkey, and then six weeks in Italy, finishing
Speaker 1: in Malta. And it was massive and amazing and just
Speaker 1: so eye opening. I kind of explained it was just
Speaker 1: so free also to be there without any studying or
Speaker 1: work to do it like, it was just such an
Speaker 1: unusual situation to be able to do that and squeeze
Speaker 1: it in. But it just was so wonderful. And I
Speaker 1: had planned all of the first part because particularly in
Speaker 1: the Middle East, I would recommend tours. You and I
Speaker 1: spoke about this the other day. You get so much
Speaker 1: more out of the history and context if you have
Speaker 1: a guide, Whereas in Italy, Nick wouldn't let us book anything,
Speaker 1: and for me like not to book accommodation. I was like,
Speaker 1: we're going to be homeless on this tree without loud
Speaker 1: bags and everything, and it was amazing. We just like
Speaker 1: pulled in wherever we got up to. We got a
Speaker 1: car from Rome and we drove all the way down
Speaker 1: through Naples, through the Mulfy Coast and ended up in
Speaker 1: Sicily and just stopped wherever and it was so liberating.
Speaker 1: It was the greatest. And also the Amalfi Coast is
Speaker 1: better than a postcard. It's like photos just don't do
Speaker 1: it justice. It was so amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love Jordan. We I have this strange Dan Israel,
Speaker 2: this strange affinity to them both. Anyways, So show the
Speaker 2: next oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next voice memo is for from Grab the Goals,
Speaker 1: which is a beautiful business that has been following for
Speaker 1: quite a while. Their market baskets and clutches and oh
Speaker 1: actually that's so funny. One of the last photos from
Speaker 1: one of my show me a photo of trips down
Speaker 1: Memory Lane was Grab the Gows's number one place on
Speaker 1: their bucket list being near Malfi Coast. How can ok Yeah,
Speaker 1: so amazing.
Speaker 3: Okay, hey Sarah, it's capping from Grab the Girls. Just
Speaker 3: while I was listening to your podcast with Marketing Pain,
Speaker 3: I thought of a question for your third anniversary episode,
Speaker 3: and it is, where is the most amazing place in
Speaker 3: Australia or in the world that you would love to
Speaker 3: do a Seize the A podcast? Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's very specific. Frankston Porastodia. Oh my gosh, somewhere to
Speaker 1: do an episode that's like quite a specific thing. Ooh,
Speaker 1: I think and this is so random. This is where
Speaker 1: we're meant to go for our honeymoon, and I still
Speaker 1: think that we're going to do it at some point,
Speaker 1: even though we've already been married for two years. You
Speaker 1: were Egypt and I would love to do a podcast
Speaker 1: episode there because can you imagine interviewing like the head
Speaker 1: of one of the museums or something like that to
Speaker 1: talk us through the wayta of like the Pharaohs and
Speaker 1: how they built the pyramids and they're things that we
Speaker 1: now like mankind can't replicate Petra or the Pyramids or
Speaker 1: half the things in Jerusalem, Like there are so many
Speaker 1: parts of the world world where older ancient civilizations could
Speaker 1: build things that we don't know how to build now
Speaker 1: without machines. Like that stuff blowed my mind. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine sitting at like the base of a temple or
Speaker 1: the base of a pyramid and doing like a live episode.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, that's sick. But imagine all the
Speaker 2: Egyptians that don't understand what a.
Speaker 1: You talking about? Not Egyptians everyone agether now.
Speaker 2: Cheek.
Speaker 1: Also all the not Egyptians because they wouldn't come to
Speaker 1: the events just being me in the middle of the desert.
Speaker 1: That's a good one, okay. And last voice memo before
Speaker 1: we move to the other questions, which we've left like
Speaker 1: no time to do. This is from Catherine MacLean.
Speaker 6: Hi, Sarah, congratulations on reaching this milestone. I just wanted
Speaker 6: to let you know that some of my strongest memories
Speaker 6: of listening to the podcast is two years ago when
Speaker 6: I was walking around the streets in Chang Mai, Thailand
Speaker 6: listening to your upcoming wedding prep Question and Answer podcast.
Speaker 2: I really loved it, and I.
Speaker 6: Can just hear your voice whenever I think back to
Speaker 6: that holiday. So I guess my question therefore, is where
Speaker 6: if you could travel anywhere in the world right now
Speaker 6: without COVID, without restrictions, where would you go first?
Speaker 1: And why? So many travel questions? Yes, yes, Prestonia. Thank you, Catherine.
Speaker 1: Nothing makes me happier than hearing where you've listened and
Speaker 1: what kind of parts of your life the podcast has
Speaker 1: accompanied you on like that just makes me so happy,
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for sharing. And I think
Speaker 1: I would still say Egypt. It's maybe not right now,
Speaker 1: like I think it will be quite hard to move around,
Speaker 1: but the first place on my bucket list. Maybe not
Speaker 1: the first place I will go for practical reasons, but
Speaker 1: something I've just been aching in my soul to see
Speaker 1: is the Pyramids and just it's so steeped in history,
Speaker 1: and I imagine the same affinity that you and I
Speaker 1: have for Israel and Jordan for that reason, and how
Speaker 1: ingrained parts of our culture from now and parts of
Speaker 1: our scientific landscape come from those ancient times, and how
Speaker 1: they could read the sun to tell the time, and like,
Speaker 1: those things just blow me away. I just find them
Speaker 1: so fascinating, and I can't imagine what it would feel
Speaker 1: like to just be standing in Gizer looking up at these.
Speaker 2: That's the thing I felt with Petro. It was not
Speaker 2: just the story but everything. It was just huge, like
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly huge. And that's why I think it's really awesome.
Speaker 2: But since I've learned you wanted to go to Egypt,
Speaker 2: so that.
Speaker 1: For like two hold days since you were born basically.
Speaker 1: And I also think that like, the thing I love
Speaker 1: about travel the most is that it stretches your brain.
Speaker 1: And the quote that I love is a mind stretched
Speaker 1: by new experiences can never go back to its old dimensions.
Speaker 1: So at the moment, the travel I'm thirsty for is
Speaker 1: travel that is so different to Australia and our culture,
Speaker 1: and that stretches your brains so much, and I feel
Speaker 1: like Egypt is just that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Middlely That's why think that's why I think I
Speaker 2: love Middle East too. It was just such a different world. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And one more one more sorry? Can I add? Is
Speaker 1: also Korea because Nick has still not been and I
Speaker 1: want to take him to the orphanage where we were
Speaker 1: adopted from before we have kids, if we can, if
Speaker 1: we can get there, yeah we have, but to take
Speaker 1: him to see the babies.
Speaker 2: So I have an affinity, Like maybe it's not an infinity,
Speaker 2: maybe it's just like a deep love for you know,
Speaker 2: Israel and Jordan and stuff. But man, our family has
Speaker 2: like a proper like boom affinity, antigen and antibody specific
Speaker 2: substraight affinity to Korea, to South Korea. We have been
Speaker 2: there multiple times. We have Korean Night. Nicko loves k
Speaker 2: pop as you do you because Sarah has realized there's
Speaker 2: like down that she's actually it's.
Speaker 1: A real shame that there was no letter K or
Speaker 1: letter B in our names because that would have been
Speaker 1: a really big revelation.
Speaker 2: Okay, should we move on to the written questions?
Speaker 1: I love how it's fifty nine minutes in and we
Speaker 1: haven't done the original questions. I will try and be fast,
Speaker 1: I know, so I'm going to yeah and consolidate.
Speaker 2: I'm going to moderate.
Speaker 7: They never be too fast because some of them, some
Speaker 7: of them still deserve you know, you're a full response.
Speaker 7: But I think we'll start with a bit more law
Speaker 7: days questions. There's two that's kind of looked in the
Speaker 7: same similar theme, so Bailey Gene underscore h asked advice
Speaker 7: to your twenty one year old self and advice to
Speaker 7: a second year law student, which is kind of also
Speaker 7: mixed with ebks, which asks do you ever miss practicing
Speaker 7: law slash being at KWM?
Speaker 1: All great questions? Okay, I don't ever really miss it?
Speaker 1: In a regret kind of way. I don't miss the
Speaker 1: law as in I wish that I was back there now.
Speaker 1: I miss the real intellectual stimulation of some legal questions,
Speaker 1: like that really academic laboring over a small question of language,
Speaker 1: or something that will change the way that a whole
Speaker 1: statute is interpreted, or something. I love that really nerdy stuff.
Speaker 1: I miss that because my kind of creative work now
Speaker 1: doesn't have that same really academic element, and I do
Speaker 1: love that so and I have no place for that,
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing in my life that allows me to
Speaker 1: do that right now. So I do miss that, But
Speaker 1: in terms of the career overall, I actually haven't missed
Speaker 1: it at all in the last kind of since I left,
Speaker 1: But that didn't mean that I didn't like it when
Speaker 1: I was there. So I think my advice to my
Speaker 1: twenty year old self is every chapter of your life
Speaker 1: is going to look different in this day and age.
Speaker 1: The world moves so quickly that almost nothing is a
Speaker 1: forever choice. So just enjoy what you're in while you're
Speaker 1: in it, equip yourself as best you can for what
Speaker 1: comes next, knowing that you won't know what that is.
Speaker 1: You may end up going into law and loving it.
Speaker 1: You may end up never using your law degree the
Speaker 1: way that you thought you would, but nothing will ever
Speaker 1: be a waste if you learn something from it. So
Speaker 1: even if you hate where you are, and even if
Speaker 1: your main objective graduating law is to not go into it,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that it's not going to teach you
Speaker 1: things you need for whatever that next chapter is. And
Speaker 1: you just have to get comfortable with not knowing. I
Speaker 1: had no idea for the whole time I was at
Speaker 1: KWM that this would be what came next, and when
Speaker 1: I was in Matcha Maide and I still didn't know
Speaker 1: that CZA would be what came next. And I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone on CZA who's been a guest has known
Speaker 1: what the cup was coming in the chapter after the
Speaker 1: one they were in. But that's why it's so exciting.
Speaker 1: So I think let go of needing to know the
Speaker 1: next step, equip yourself as best you can for whatever
Speaker 1: that may be, and trust that everything will unravel the
Speaker 1: way that it's supposed to. And some of those chapters
Speaker 1: won't be as comfortable as you might like them too,
Speaker 1: but then the next one will be where that all
Speaker 1: becomes clear.
Speaker 2: W look down on you if you.
Speaker 1: No, No, absolutely with young people.
Speaker 2: I think there's people my age or my friends have
Speaker 2: had that same kind of thought preceres as Ah, like
Speaker 2: what will people think of me if they don't become
Speaker 2: a lawyer?
Speaker 3: And it's like.
Speaker 2: Someonet, like a subconscious ego thing to feel like you
Speaker 2: have to complete it. But I don't think anyone really.
Speaker 2: People probably think you're more courageous for changing than they
Speaker 2: would to finish and not want to do it.
Speaker 1: And I have to be absolutely honest, I didn't really
Speaker 1: think about it at the time, but the more I
Speaker 1: overthink it, the more I realized that the prestige is
Speaker 1: something that's a very valid consideration. And that is probably
Speaker 1: why my bio in Spoonful of Sarah still says lawyer
Speaker 1: turned fun Dreveneur because I need the lawyer title to
Speaker 1: be in there somewhere. But that doesn't mean that it
Speaker 1: forms part of my identity now. But it's definitely something
Speaker 1: I acknowledge is part of your identity in a way
Speaker 1: that you can find ways to keep that part of
Speaker 1: your story. You know, it can be in your bio,
Speaker 1: it can be in the way that you tell the story.
Speaker 1: It's not like you have to let go of that
Speaker 1: part of your identity for ever. It's okay if you
Speaker 1: still need to hold on to some of it, but
Speaker 1: you don't need to stay. Like a quote that I've
Speaker 1: actually just put in the new flipbook number three that's
Speaker 1: coming out that I love is you don't have to
Speaker 1: stick with a mistake simply because of the time you
Speaker 1: took to make it. So if it took you twenty
Speaker 1: five years to realize that the pathway you're on is
Speaker 1: not the right one, that doesn't mean that you have
Speaker 1: to stick with it just to make the twenty five
Speaker 1: years worth it. Like you can change your mind anytime,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: once you realize something's not for you, the quicker you
Speaker 1: can move the better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my brain is just absorbing.
Speaker 1: It's so long, so long.
Speaker 2: So yes, it's great, awesome tips and you don't miss
Speaker 2: it because you love your life that you're living now,
Speaker 2: which is awesome. I've got three questions that are similar
Speaker 2: theme and they're about the podcast and your brand. So
Speaker 2: I start in chronological order, and the question is from Underscore,
Speaker 2: and I believe there's two Underscores, but it's you know,
Speaker 2: I'm get me Wrongcore Studio. Why did you start the
Speaker 2: podcast and what made you take the leap and actually
Speaker 2: start I think we've made at the side of this,
Speaker 2: but I guess holy the whole picture thing.
Speaker 1: Why did you want to stay Yeah? I think I've
Speaker 1: yeah spoken about this a couple of times, but the
Speaker 1: main reason was because you know, I always say that
Speaker 1: you're yeah is a jigsaw puzzle, and every experience is
Speaker 1: adding new pieces and getting rid of old ones that
Speaker 1: don't suit you anymore. And I'd made that massive jump
Speaker 1: from corporate to business and really was patting myself on
Speaker 1: the back, but Yeah, I'd made a forever decision and
Speaker 1: forever moving. This is what I'm going to do forever.
Speaker 1: But about three or four years into MATCHA, I started
Speaker 1: to feel like there were gaps in the jigsaw puzzle,
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh my god, I'm just an ungrateful
Speaker 1: millennial who's got a short attention span, like, just stick
Speaker 1: with it. But then I realized, no, I'm four years older,
Speaker 1: with four years more experience and four years more of
Speaker 1: data to decide what suits me and what doesn't. And
Speaker 1: I had all male business partners, no room for the
Speaker 1: fluffy talk, and also no room for the stuff that
Speaker 1: wasn't as acceptable when I first started, but increasingly people
Speaker 1: wanted to hear about mental health, breakdowns, burnout, comparison, self doubt,
Speaker 1: and there was nowhere to put that. The business pages
Speaker 1: weren't the right place. So I wanted to have conversations
Speaker 1: with people in similar positions about stuff that everyone had
Speaker 1: an appetite to hear about for longer than an Instagram
Speaker 1: attention span, like an hour long conversation. And I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about podcasts. Literally, I was like, bing, you
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts? How long are they? Where do they live?
Speaker 1: What are they like? I had no idea, but I
Speaker 1: just knew that's where conversations lived, and so I bought
Speaker 1: the equipment and then literally, as you heard at the start,
Speaker 1: I was like, so I've got a microphone, can we
Speaker 1: record today? And it just started that way, and it's
Speaker 1: continued to evolve as a form of expression and as
Speaker 1: a form of sort of spreading my values about and
Speaker 1: philosophies on finding happiness and joy and sharing that it's
Speaker 1: not you know, life isn't linear, and giving everyone permission
Speaker 1: to find their own path, like all that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It's the best format and for me have been too.
Speaker 1: I've been able to help others kind of yeah, find
Speaker 1: their place in the world and share the stories that
Speaker 1: might inspire them to do that.
Speaker 2: And if you are if the questions on the back
Speaker 2: of you thinking about doing one, as I did with Sarah,
Speaker 2: I think you should just go out and do it.
Speaker 2: You need so I want to kick you up the
Speaker 2: button this to start it, because that's something that was
Speaker 2: you were just delaying just the first episode, like what
Speaker 2: should I do? How should I do it? Do I
Speaker 2: do an intro like five minute one thing that this
Speaker 2: is what the thing's gonna be about.
Speaker 3: Do I do this?
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't care, nobody cares. Just do
Speaker 2: something And what do I do with my brain?
Speaker 1: Like how do I wrap at the start?
Speaker 2: And then Eminem's unavailable?
Speaker 3: What I do now?
Speaker 1: And like I can't do it in Egypians? So what
Speaker 1: am I going to do about that?
Speaker 2: But Goo thinking about this is like if it didn't
Speaker 2: work out, it wouldn't work out, it doesn't matter. It's
Speaker 2: it's free to set up. You just give it a
Speaker 2: shot and then you learn a lot of things from
Speaker 2: it and then yeah, and look at you now three years.
Speaker 1: Later, totally and that's and that's like one of the
Speaker 1: things that is the main message of CZA, that like,
Speaker 1: what's the worst that could happen. I do one episode
Speaker 1: I don't like podcasting or no one listens or it's
Speaker 1: not enjoyable or whatever, and then I just don't do
Speaker 1: another one, Like you look stupid for two seconds, but
Speaker 1: no one really notices anyway. And the most exciting thing
Speaker 1: about podcasting is it's so democratic. No one else sees
Speaker 1: your listens. And I also feel like if you get
Speaker 1: five listens of someone who listens for an hour, that's
Speaker 1: worth so many more than a like that takes half
Speaker 1: a second. Not even so if you change like one
Speaker 1: person's life, who cares If you have an audience of
Speaker 1: one or two, it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: The second question is from Tom Underscore Flex. Has there
Speaker 2: been a time where you were close to giving up
Speaker 2: on the podcast after it had started?
Speaker 1: I actually got a bit triggered by that question when
Speaker 1: I first saw it, because yes, earlier this year and
Speaker 1: I actually sat up in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: one night and was like, Nick, do you think, like
Speaker 1: should I just close the podcast? And he was like,
Speaker 1: what what are you even talking about? They just came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. But actually, i'd know I've had that
Speaker 1: with Matcher. I never really had it with anything else.
Speaker 1: I didn't have it with the book. But and I
Speaker 1: haven't had it the whole journey, the whole way along.
Speaker 1: It's never been too hard or too much, or too
Speaker 1: scary or whatever. Until this year, where I was having
Speaker 1: just a really hard time with anxiety. Nick had been away.
Speaker 1: The kind of up and down of you know, Lockdown,
Speaker 1: in and out of Lockdown had really been getting to me.
Speaker 1: I had committed to adding a second episode and doing
Speaker 1: two episodes a week, but then I'd been having set
Speaker 1: different second guests as well, and the scheduling and the
Speaker 1: end I was still doing all the editing and trying
Speaker 1: to do all my other work and filming twice a
Speaker 1: week for House of Wellness, and I just, literally, like
Speaker 1: I said before, you can have too much of a
Speaker 1: good thing. I committed, over committed, and because I was
Speaker 1: tired and anxious, I overthought everything. So when one week
Speaker 1: I didn't get as many listens as the last week,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's failing, it's on the way out,
Speaker 1: or it's not as good as this one, or you know,
Speaker 1: I've been working on, which just came out today. I'd
Speaker 1: been working on the rebrand and like developing some new assets,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't doing that fast enough and I wasn't
Speaker 1: like settling on something I liked, and everything just felt
Speaker 1: like why am I even doing this? Like no one
Speaker 1: even listens, no one even likes it. And I just
Speaker 1: got in my head about everything that I talk about
Speaker 1: on the show, self doubt, overdoing it, over committing, and
Speaker 1: then ruining the joy of something, giving myself false deadlines,
Speaker 1: like if you didn't get a Years of Our Lives
Speaker 1: episode and you only got a second bonus one every fortnight,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would have noticed. No one even
Speaker 1: knew what time was during the lockdown. But I was
Speaker 1: so hard on myself about it that I just pushed
Speaker 1: myself too hard and then couldn't have any clarity or
Speaker 1: objectivity about it and was just like, am I failing?
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know why I thought that, but
Speaker 1: I got so in my head about it and nearly
Speaker 1: shut it down because I just was like, I can't
Speaker 1: do a good job at this. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was interviewing very well because
Speaker 1: I was tired all the time, and it was weird
Speaker 1: because looking back, it was like one of the best
Speaker 1: run of guests that I've had in ages. And I
Speaker 1: look back at those episodes and I love them all
Speaker 1: and I'm so proud of them. It's just interesting how
Speaker 1: much you get in your own head if you let it.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I think those are also the moments that
Speaker 1: make you rEFInd your love for something, and having those
Speaker 1: down moments also gives you fresh perspective to have better
Speaker 1: ideas next time. I just hadn't given myself enough distance
Speaker 1: from it, which is what I talk about all the time.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't practicing what I preach at all.
Speaker 2: This is how crap I am. When Sarah was like,
Speaker 2: and you kind of yes of our lives with me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, of course, what's that?
Speaker 1: I was like, Ah, I started in very much.
Speaker 2: You absolutely probably not care if you did do one
Speaker 2: this week or next week. It's a bonus.
Speaker 1: But also that self doubt can hit you randomly, like
Speaker 1: for no real objective reason. I just got in my
Speaker 1: head that like, I don't know, I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: It was crap. No one liked it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just got in such a weird place about it,
Speaker 1: But I think those are the moments that remind you
Speaker 1: that you really care about something.
Speaker 2: Tom had a secondary question to that, which was on
Speaker 2: the back of your rebrand, where do you see the
Speaker 2: brand going in another three years time?
Speaker 1: Oh, well, I would come back to one of our letters.
Speaker 1: I think it was agility and the idea that when
Speaker 1: nothing is certain, anything is possible. I actually have no
Speaker 1: plans for the first time in years. I have not
Speaker 1: even a single plan about anything that's different. Like, obviously
Speaker 1: we've added a new episode, we've got a new tile
Speaker 1: and some new assets coming out, but I don't have
Speaker 1: a book too ready. I just have absolutely no idea
Speaker 1: what next year's going to bring. Because I think that
Speaker 1: letting go of those expectations and plans has meant I
Speaker 1: haven't been too disappointed. Everything that's happened this year has
Speaker 1: been a bonus because I've really accepted that we can't
Speaker 1: plan anything, and I think that's been a good kind
Speaker 1: of emotional management strategy to just be open to anything.
Speaker 1: So I actually have no idea. I'd be so excited
Speaker 1: to listen to the in three years time when I
Speaker 1: know and be like, wow, I had no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should actually and see where you are. This
Speaker 2: is gonna be have the quick answer. Okay, yep, well
Speaker 2: Sharena on a school Marina. I love that. Favorite guest.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's really hard this year Hugh van Kylenberg,
Speaker 1: the Resilience Protest.
Speaker 2: Oh he's good.
Speaker 1: Loved him so much.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay. The next other questions kind of about your
Speaker 2: perspective on things somewhat mental healthy, but I'll grip them.
Speaker 2: It probably kind of probably stems off this. Your positivity
Speaker 2: and laughter is infectious. How do you do it? I mean,
Speaker 2: keep so cheerful And it's from Sarah Marcus.
Speaker 1: Oh that's really lovely, I think because I actually don't
Speaker 1: expect myself to be like that all the time, and
Speaker 1: I definitely am not an ant can attest to that.
Speaker 1: And the more patient you are with the periods where
Speaker 1: you're not like that, it allows me to really be
Speaker 1: positive and bubbly and excitable when I am like that.
Speaker 1: I think it just is all about finding your right
Speaker 1: balance off what allows you to feel the most bubbly
Speaker 1: and excitable when you need to, Like when I do
Speaker 1: these recordings and when I get to do Quote of
Speaker 1: the Day and feeling really grateful to have those opportunities,
Speaker 1: and then in the moments where I'm not feeling so
Speaker 1: happy and positive, just honoring them and not trying to
Speaker 1: push past them or not trying to record on those
Speaker 1: days like I once would have, and waiting until, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you get that sparkled back. I think that's
Speaker 1: been the most important thing. To not expect positive people
Speaker 1: to be positive all the time. That's not realistic or
Speaker 1: probably healthy either, but just to pick your timing as well. Like,
Speaker 1: obviously I wouldn't want to record something like this when
Speaker 1: I wasn't feeling super bubbly because it'd be so horrible
Speaker 1: for you guys to listen to.
Speaker 2: That. Yeah, I think letting yourself not be happy is
Speaker 2: how you stay happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Okay this one?
Speaker 2: Okay. You know when sometimes an ol looks like a capital,
Speaker 2: I really hung it's either is or will Salou. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say as an Ola, I'm really sorry if I
Speaker 2: screwed that up. Just listen to this weekend's episode. What's
Speaker 2: your topic for coping with anxiety?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean, I'm still working that out,
Speaker 1: but I think my biggest tip has been not trying
Speaker 1: to push through it, and really treating it the same
Speaker 1: way I would as a physical injury. My biggest breakthrough
Speaker 1: ever has been treating like has been equating it with
Speaker 1: if I had broken my leg right now and I
Speaker 1: was having a flare up of a sore leg, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't go and like, try and run a marathon today.
Speaker 1: So if I'm having an anxiety day where it's flared up,
Speaker 1: why would I try and have the busiest work day
Speaker 1: I've had in weeks? But before I treated it as
Speaker 1: seriously as I would some kind of physical ailment, I
Speaker 1: would just try and ignore it. I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: put yourself together. You know this is a working day,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't give it the seriousness that it which
Speaker 1: would just make it worse because then the next day
Speaker 1: you haven't rested, you haven't given yourself the space to
Speaker 1: feel through it and to let it pass. In fact,
Speaker 1: you've done everything to trigger it even further. So I
Speaker 1: think kind of aligning it in your head with what
Speaker 1: you would if you had a physical injury has helped
Speaker 1: me a lot to actually respond better rather than just
Speaker 1: ignore it or push through it and make space for it. Again,
Speaker 1: you would never ever let someone talk you into but
Speaker 1: you should still walk today, you know you should still
Speaker 1: go and go for a run. You'd just be like, no,
Speaker 1: it needs to heal. Whereas if someone's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: you're just a little bit anxious, you should still go
Speaker 1: and you know, present to a group of one hundred people,
Speaker 1: why would you go? I probably should, you shouldn't. It's
Speaker 1: also like an injury. It's a condition that affects your productivity,
Speaker 1: your your everything. So treat it seriously, pay really careful
Speaker 1: attention to what helps and what doesn't, and try and
Speaker 1: act accordingly. And also accept that some days nothing will help.
Speaker 1: There are honestly days where nothing makes it feel better
Speaker 1: or go away. It's just time. But if you know that,
Speaker 1: then you don't add extra stress trying to heal it quickly.
Speaker 1: It's a really unpredictable, fickle beast. But learning to kind
Speaker 1: of manage it and schedule around it has been enormous remueraful.
Speaker 2: I think you've spent years and years perfecting your strategies,
Speaker 2: probably very hapful, but I think you don't really know
Speaker 2: until you try and multiple times and then you refine it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, those tips have helped me personally as well,
Speaker 2: So hopefully for.
Speaker 1: You, my new friend Li salou or Issulu.
Speaker 2: Sorry soul home Aus. Do you ever suffer from imposter syndrome?
Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, all the time, all the time. And
Speaker 1: I think I've mentioned before that if I didn't, I
Speaker 1: don't think you should let it, you know, dictate your decisions,
Speaker 1: or let it talk you out of things. You don't.
Speaker 1: Imposter syndrome is not true. You just need to see
Speaker 1: it as a reflex. I actually sometimes welcome it because
Speaker 1: it means I haven't got complacent. I think it reminds
Speaker 1: me that I care about doing a good job. So
Speaker 1: if I get up at a speaking gig and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't deserve to be here, you know you have
Speaker 1: all the self doubt, I'm going to be crap. No
Speaker 1: one thinks I'm interesting, blah blah blah. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a bad thing to feel that, like, it's very normal,
Speaker 1: And don't beat yourself up about it. Just go Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a reflex because I'm out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's a good sign that I'm doing something
Speaker 1: and I care about doing a good job. I don't
Speaker 1: just rock up here super comfortable like I'm going to
Speaker 1: nail it. You know, it makes me think I care
Speaker 1: about it, so I think it's again something you just
Speaker 1: figure out what works for you, what doesn't you practice
Speaker 1: you surround yourself with friends who will help you through
Speaker 1: those moments. Don't worry if it never goes away, because
Speaker 1: that actually just means you're leveling up all the time.
Speaker 1: But just learn to kind of acknowledge it and then
Speaker 1: push it away.
Speaker 2: Okay, next question, Bimbolina, this is okay. These are fine.
Speaker 2: One stat by the way, this is from Bagat.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: Did you do your own wedding and makeup? Was very
Speaker 2: pretty and she's planning her own waiting at the.
Speaker 1: Mist Oh, thank you so much. I had so much
Speaker 1: fun today watching the video again and going through all
Speaker 1: the photos I did not I usually do all my
Speaker 1: hair and makeup for events, but I felt like, on
Speaker 1: your wedding day you really want it. Was also more
Speaker 1: about the experience of just getting ready in the morning,
Speaker 1: and I had the most amazing hair and makeup artists
Speaker 1: around me. Organica for Hair did all of our hair. Sarah,
Speaker 1: the owner, is one of the most amazing business women
Speaker 1: and friends and inspirations. She was such a joy to
Speaker 1: be around and her incredible team, and then Monica Gingold
Speaker 1: did my makeup. We did a few trials, but I've
Speaker 1: always loved her work. And her team from Tonic Agency
Speaker 1: did all our hair and makeup, including and I made
Speaker 1: her wear hair and makeup, which was so well.
Speaker 2: Loved it.
Speaker 1: But just that process of getting ready, I loved it.
Speaker 1: I could have done it by myself. But I think
Speaker 1: you feel much more special when you, you know, get
Speaker 1: already together.
Speaker 2: Remember your mom and your aunties did as well. We
Speaker 2: were you, you were getting your hair done. You were like,
Speaker 2: it's coming out. Take my phone, take photos of mom now.
Speaker 1: She never got a makeup done before.
Speaker 2: It was so so cute. Yeah, we had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun.
Speaker 1: It was the best day ever.
Speaker 2: Okay, Viv you'll love this question because it's so random.
Speaker 2: Loz m W. What do you think Paul would look like?
Speaker 2: If human? My dog would wear a monocle? O?
Speaker 1: My god, that's the best. Where is he Paul?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna ask him?
Speaker 1: I think he'd be like an old man. He'd be
Speaker 1: like a little old man. Yeah, are feel like a
Speaker 1: little Scottish Scottish boy?
Speaker 5: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, I just feel like he'd been like in a kilt.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he would be in a killed because
Speaker 1: he's got his old Davidson Tartan bo t. He's kind
Speaker 1: of funny, like I actually don't know. He definitely wouldn't
Speaker 1: have a monocle. He'd be really needy. I think he'd
Speaker 1: be like a little boy clinging to his mum's leg.
Speaker 1: And obviously he'd be like Strawberry blonde, a bit scruffy,
Speaker 1: big guys, big eyelashes. I don't know. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: Paul as a human.
Speaker 2: Now that I've thought of Paul as a Scottish boy,
Speaker 2: I can't think it, so I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Stick it or like a really cute no, you know what.
Speaker 1: I kind of also feel like he'd be like Eddie Jacu.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the guy who wrote the Happiest Man on Earth,
Speaker 1: like that really warm smile, like really huggable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, another fun one, Tom again, Tom on the.
Speaker 1: Flex, Hey, Tom Legend.
Speaker 2: Would you ever get Paul a dog?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I would get there's actually a meme about that.
Speaker 1: Like it's not that I want a second dog. I
Speaker 1: just want to get my dog a dog. I would
Speaker 1: love to get paula little puppy. But you guys know
Speaker 1: he has a bathing He has a really intense bathing
Speaker 1: schedule for all his other puppies. I feel like it
Speaker 1: just it it overwhelmed him. I mean he's got like
Speaker 1: twenty he has to give a full bath in a
Speaker 1: row every single night. It's like a full ordeal.
Speaker 2: Bit random one Jackie m Now favorite clothing and shoe brands.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh my god, that is so hard. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I've only been really wearing active wear for the
Speaker 1: last two years. I Wosly Nike shoes. I love my
Speaker 1: amazing friend Lana Wilkinson by Alana Wilkinson. That pretty much
Speaker 1: the only heels I wear. They're so beautiful, so comfortable,
Speaker 1: they go with everything. You can wear them for a
Speaker 1: night out. It's be my favorite shoes and favorite clothing brands.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I love Mossman is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Dish is a like really simple linen basics, really affordable.
Speaker 1: I love like a really classic wardrobe where everything can
Speaker 1: kind of go with each other. I love Aussie brands.
Speaker 1: Padusha is a really cool Aussie brown that I wear
Speaker 1: a lot of clothes from. I kind of wear a
Speaker 1: lot of everything. I'm very random I love showed a joy,
Speaker 1: beautiful dresses. I wear a lot of showing and joy
Speaker 1: for Channel seven.
Speaker 2: What else, Well, that's what we got our dresses from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, our bridesmaids dresses. Dresses, Yeah, yeah, I love them.
Speaker 1: Yeah so many. I just like can't even think right now.
Speaker 1: Shopping is so far from my brain.
Speaker 2: If anyone wants mine, they're quite bouche, so no offense,
Speaker 2: you don't shop for them. But I actually enjoy and.
Speaker 1: Karmel weird know, Oh my god, so good. I know
Speaker 1: what Carme is. I shop at carlso twenty four hour
Speaker 1: Carme is like one of my most on the bucket
Speaker 1: list for post locked out.
Speaker 2: Okay, so two last und of questions from my best
Speaker 2: friend is.
Speaker 1: What is the spirit animal Panda?
Speaker 2: Yes, chocolate or vanilla?
Speaker 1: Vanilla summer or winter summer? Summer?
Speaker 2: Sarah cannot stand the cold?
Speaker 1: My gosh, I cannot stand. I can't even speak. My
Speaker 1: kidneys get cold. I can't even speak when I'm cold,
Speaker 1: Like I literally lose the ability to speak.
Speaker 2: And that marks the end of the Some of the questions.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they were really fun. So sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: I really rushed through them because I like just got
Speaker 1: too excited in the first half and talk too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because our sucks it across the problems forever. But
Speaker 2: I love those.
Speaker 1: I love how when you get audience questions, they're always
Speaker 1: from such different topics and it's not just asked like
Speaker 1: chatting about what are your reflections from the past three years.
Speaker 1: It's really nice to like, you know, have a think
Speaker 1: about what things I would prefer or who's been my
Speaker 1: favorite guest or Yeah, it's just it's been such an
Speaker 1: amazing ride. And as always, guys, if you want anything
Speaker 1: new or different, it is all about the neighborhood. So
Speaker 1: please always just keep the communication channels open. We've got
Speaker 1: the Facebook group. It's yeah, just I love kind of
Speaker 1: tweaking and improving every year to kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: see what you guys want.
Speaker 2: Awesome, congratulations, I'm very proud of you.
Speaker 1: Thanks bim a journey, I know, and I just want
Speaker 1: I always.
Speaker 2: Forget that you record, produce, edit all that on your own.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it. It takes a
Speaker 2: lot of time, but they don't realize it takes a
Speaker 2: lot of time because you don't listen to the whole
Speaker 2: thing back and then yeah, and then listen to it
Speaker 2: back so you know it knows to you. And I
Speaker 2: can't wait to see what the next three years or
Speaker 2: even the next three months look like for you, because
Speaker 2: I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: Thanks Bim. And also I always forget to ask this
Speaker 1: because it's so freaking awkward, But if anyone has been
Speaker 1: enjoying the show over the last three years and feels
Speaker 1: like it's been like brought some yea to their lives,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to give a third anniversary present, I
Speaker 1: would be so grateful if you guys would leave a
Speaker 1: little review for the show as well, because they just
Speaker 1: like if you are in those moments where I was
Speaker 1: just having a really hard time in the self doubt
Speaker 1: and stuff like it's because I don't get to see
Speaker 1: the audience when I'm recording your messages of ways that
Speaker 1: it's helped you or things that you've enjoyed even or
Speaker 1: things that have made you laugh, like I cannot say
Speaker 1: in those hours of going through and editing, and like
Speaker 1: I also want to present our guests in the best
Speaker 1: lights of choosing the best snippets and making sure they're
Speaker 1: happy with it and picking beautiful assets. Like what gets
Speaker 1: me really through that is hearing that it lands well
Speaker 1: with the neighborhood and does bring you yay. So if
Speaker 1: you do have a moment, it would be so appreciated
Speaker 1: if you would leave us a little review. We haven't
Speaker 1: hit a thousand yet, even though we've had millions of downloads,
Speaker 1: which is so weird, but wow, I think I would
Speaker 1: really really love if you would take a moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And guys, sometimes when I'm down, I read service reviews
Speaker 2: and it makes me happy. I'm doing for the.
Speaker 1: Great good, for the great good. But that's the weirdest thing,
Speaker 1: Like I forget, I don't leave. I like always you
Speaker 1: think of leaving reviews when you've had a bad experience.
Speaker 1: When I've had a really good experience, See, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll spread it far and wide word of mouth, But
Speaker 1: I just forget. Yeah, And so every now and then
Speaker 1: I have a moment where I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go and leave reviews for everyone, you know, every experience
Speaker 1: I've had that I really love. But you just forget
Speaker 1: so easily. So if anyone is listening and even enjoyed
Speaker 1: the show, please, they make me so happy.
Speaker 2: And then if you if you've written every on the
Speaker 2: back of this podcast, can you please snake in the
Speaker 2: word nuggets.
Speaker 1: I remember when you used to give me words? Would
Speaker 1: you give me words to like you had to like
Speaker 1: slip into TV interviews.
Speaker 2: I make you and Nick say discombobulated and they fools
Speaker 2: it on TV. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: He said it on sky News. He legitimately on sky
Speaker 1: News said we've been really discombobulated, and I was like,
Speaker 1: control your face because it was live. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was the best one. All right, Bimwell, I can't
Speaker 1: believe I just made you record for an ho hour
Speaker 1: and a half to my rambling, But thank you all
Speaker 1: for submitting your questions. And I loved having voice recordings.
Speaker 1: I think that was so much fun. So if anyone
Speaker 1: wants to do that for any Yays of our Lives episodes,
Speaker 1: if you've got a neighborhood watch item you want to
Speaker 1: describe or something cute that you are in the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: always just email them to me. And I figured out
Speaker 1: if you DM voice memos, I figured out how to
Speaker 1: save them so I can add them to the episode.
Speaker 1: So anytime, just get your voices on. Say yay, guys.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to stop it out getting delarious I know.
Speaker 1: I'm gone. I'm gone, Okay. I love you everyone. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, and thank you so much for hosting BIM.
Speaker 1: It's been so much fun.
Speaker 2: Actually, welcome him.
Speaker 1: Happy three years, Happy three years. Bye,