WEBVTT - The Bromance The World Needs - Jimmy & Nath 0:00:10.405 --> 0:00:14.165 You're listening to A Mother and Me a podcast. Mama 0:00:14.205 --> 0:00:16.965 Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that 0:00:17.005 --> 0:00:28.765 this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. You're listening 0:00:28.765 --> 0:00:32.325 to No Filter, and my name's Mia Freedmen. There's a 0:00:32.325 --> 0:00:34.565 lot of bad news about men around at the moment. 0:00:34.925 --> 0:00:37.765 You may have noticed, not all men, of course, but 0:00:37.845 --> 0:00:41.245 some men, men who are violent towards women, Men like 0:00:41.325 --> 0:00:44.405 Andrew Tate, who are infecting the minds of boys and 0:00:44.525 --> 0:00:48.165 young men with viral poison about women and about what 0:00:48.205 --> 0:00:52.005 it means to be a man. He's gross. I love men. 0:00:52.485 --> 0:00:54.485 I love the man I'm married, and the men I 0:00:54.525 --> 0:00:56.885 gave birth to, and the men I work with, and 0:00:56.925 --> 0:01:00.485 the men who are my friends and my relatives. And 0:01:00.525 --> 0:01:03.685 as the mother of sons, I've always scanned the horizon 0:01:03.725 --> 0:01:06.925 for good men, and there are plenty out there, most 0:01:06.965 --> 0:01:09.605 of them, in fact, They just don't tend to get 0:01:09.645 --> 0:01:12.845 the same kind of attention as the shitty ones, which 0:01:12.845 --> 0:01:15.365 is why today you're going to meet two great men. 0:01:16.005 --> 0:01:19.045 They work together, they're best friends, and they're not hay 0:01:19.045 --> 0:01:21.565 Mish and Andy, although they have been compared to them. 0:01:22.285 --> 0:01:26.325 Jimmy Smith and Nathan Roy are radio hosts and podcasters, 0:01:26.405 --> 0:01:30.205 and they're also a brand called Jimmy and Nath. Jimmy's 0:01:30.205 --> 0:01:33.325 thirty four, Nath is thirty one, and they could not 0:01:33.485 --> 0:01:37.085 be more different in some ways. Jimmy struggles with his 0:01:37.165 --> 0:01:40.685 mental health and Nath is like a Golden retriever in 0:01:40.805 --> 0:01:44.805 human form, always wagging his tail. Jimmy has blown up 0:01:44.925 --> 0:01:48.765 romantic partnerships in the past due to battles with addiction, 0:01:49.205 --> 0:01:52.965 which is something he's working on. Nath is happily married. 0:01:53.485 --> 0:01:56.205 In other ways, though, the ways that really count, they 0:01:56.245 --> 0:02:00.005 are strikingly similar, and this is a conversation about friendship 0:02:00.285 --> 0:02:03.685 and communication and what it looks like to be a 0:02:03.685 --> 0:02:07.325 good man. They're very funny blokes, Jimmy and Nath, and 0:02:07.365 --> 0:02:09.725 they like to make people laugh and they like to 0:02:09.725 --> 0:02:12.525 make each other laugh. So when we sat down together 0:02:12.565 --> 0:02:15.205 in person in the No Filter studio here at Mum 0:02:15.245 --> 0:02:18.165 and MEA, I expected that we would be talking about 0:02:18.205 --> 0:02:22.485 their careers and their successes and matship and the ways 0:02:22.525 --> 0:02:25.565 that they're using their platform and their audience. They have 0:02:25.685 --> 0:02:28.605 half a million followers just on Instagram and they use 0:02:28.645 --> 0:02:31.965 those platforms to discuss some really important things. What I 0:02:32.005 --> 0:02:37.285 didn't expect was some tears and vulnerability, and well it 0:02:37.365 --> 0:02:41.405 was a love story, or in other words, maybe a bromance. 0:02:42.085 --> 0:02:45.525 So in a way, their romance is a romantic comedy. 0:02:46.005 --> 0:02:49.325 A romantic comedy. Did I just invent a new genre? 0:02:49.965 --> 0:02:53.485 But in the spirit of all good romantic comedies, it 0:02:53.565 --> 0:02:58.005 was not love at first sight. Let's do this. Jimmy Nath, 0:03:01.605 --> 0:03:05.405 Jimmy Nath, Hello, tell me how did you meet? 0:03:05.925 --> 0:03:06.325 Well? 0:03:08.325 --> 0:03:09.325 I hated Nathan. 0:03:09.645 --> 0:03:11.285 This is the best story. We love getting asked to 0:03:11.485 --> 0:03:14.325 like a rom com Yeah, like hated me. I mean 0:03:14.325 --> 0:03:17.685 it's probably best to be described from your yes. 0:03:18.205 --> 0:03:20.845 I grew up in gunder Windy in the country, moved 0:03:20.845 --> 0:03:22.605 to Brisbane, lived in America. For me, it came out 0:03:22.605 --> 0:03:25.165 to Brisbane. Never pursued media, but had a lot of 0:03:25.205 --> 0:03:26.565 friends that like, you should do it, should do it. 0:03:26.965 --> 0:03:28.965 One of my closest friends moved to Sydney said just 0:03:29.005 --> 0:03:31.085 come down with me, stay for twelve months, try and 0:03:31.085 --> 0:03:33.365 get into the industry. So I end up at Nova 0:03:33.405 --> 0:03:36.805 on the Street Team. I meet Nath and just instantly 0:03:36.845 --> 0:03:37.285 hated him. 0:03:38.205 --> 0:03:40.485 We were you also on the street team? What is 0:03:40.525 --> 0:03:42.445 the street team? Explained For those who don't know what 0:03:42.485 --> 0:03:43.005 a street team. 0:03:43.085 --> 0:03:45.925 So the street team is every radio show has one, 0:03:46.005 --> 0:03:47.645 and it's when they go out and they're the guys 0:03:47.645 --> 0:03:50.085 who wear the branding of the station and they're handing 0:03:50.085 --> 0:03:52.125 out the Coca Cola or the movie tickets. 0:03:52.285 --> 0:03:53.485 We still exist street teams. 0:03:53.485 --> 0:03:54.605 I think COVID killed it. 0:03:55.005 --> 0:03:57.405 No, they still exist. So when we're at Nova, we 0:03:57.445 --> 0:04:00.125 were called the cast Novas. They've had a rebrand. Really, 0:04:00.125 --> 0:04:02.805 they're now called the Supernovas, which is very clever. 0:04:03.645 --> 0:04:06.285 So you hated him? Why how old were you both? 0:04:06.325 --> 0:04:07.645 First of all, I. 0:04:07.645 --> 0:04:10.205 Would have been twenty one one. 0:04:10.285 --> 0:04:14.645 Yeah, I would twenty three twenty four. So I met. 0:04:14.725 --> 0:04:16.685 I remember we were in the car park in Sydney 0:04:16.725 --> 0:04:19.085 and Piedmont where the station still is, and I remember 0:04:19.165 --> 0:04:21.965 like people had talked to me about Nathan, and I 0:04:22.045 --> 0:04:23.765 just remember this big guy walking towards him. His hair 0:04:23.805 --> 0:04:25.805 was a lot more blonder then and he was. 0:04:25.805 --> 0:04:29.565 Just like high overcombed Jimmy do I good fining, meet you, 0:04:29.645 --> 0:04:30.565 Welcome to Sydney. 0:04:30.885 --> 0:04:33.365 Just so much energy and they still have and I 0:04:33.405 --> 0:04:36.085 don't have that level of I'm got a very pick 0:04:36.085 --> 0:04:36.645 and choose. 0:04:38.165 --> 0:04:40.925 Yes, I get that many times A. 0:04:40.925 --> 0:04:43.165 Tattook Golden retriever, but without tattoos. 0:04:43.245 --> 0:04:44.485 Yeah. 0:04:44.525 --> 0:04:46.325 I just didn't have anyone like that in my life, 0:04:46.365 --> 0:04:49.485 that really big energy guy. And I was like, I 0:04:49.885 --> 0:04:52.445 just never gonna like this guy anyway, Warm me down. 0:04:55.925 --> 0:04:57.325 What was your impression? 0:04:57.925 --> 0:05:00.445 My impression of everybody when I first meet them is 0:05:00.485 --> 0:05:05.165 how lovely are they? Which is nice, it is until 0:05:05.365 --> 0:05:07.205 you know, I realized that some people aren't who I 0:05:07.205 --> 0:05:08.205 thought they were straight away. 0:05:08.205 --> 0:05:09.245 It's very golden retreat. 0:05:09.365 --> 0:05:11.485 It's very golden retriever. If you have like a little 0:05:11.485 --> 0:05:13.685 shiny toy in your hand out, we'll run towards you. 0:05:14.085 --> 0:05:14.405 Ah. 0:05:15.045 --> 0:05:17.125 And I mean that was the same with Jim. Every 0:05:17.205 --> 0:05:19.125 time there was a new person that came on, I 0:05:19.125 --> 0:05:21.005 wanted them to feel a part of the family because 0:05:21.005 --> 0:05:23.085 we had we had built as corny as it sounds, 0:05:23.125 --> 0:05:25.165 we had built a little family that we would you know, 0:05:25.325 --> 0:05:27.325 we would work together with and then we'd kind of 0:05:27.365 --> 0:05:29.005 go out with because we were in those years. We 0:05:29.125 --> 0:05:31.685 were you know, we were going out buying a goon 0:05:31.765 --> 0:05:33.965 bag and you know that was it a now fifteen 0:05:34.005 --> 0:05:36.245 dollars an hour. And then same thing to Jim was 0:05:36.285 --> 0:05:37.805 being like, okay, he's a little bit quiet, but I 0:05:37.845 --> 0:05:40.045 was like, I'll break those walls down I will see 0:05:40.045 --> 0:05:42.445 the real hymn. He also had a top knot, which 0:05:42.485 --> 0:05:44.885 I didn't love at the time when I first met him. 0:05:45.165 --> 0:05:46.805 Choice, Yeah, I've had a lot of hairst It was 0:05:46.805 --> 0:05:47.285 the first. 0:05:47.085 --> 0:05:49.125 Bit of feedback I've ever given him was let's lose 0:05:49.125 --> 0:05:50.805 the top knot and then you did shaved it off. 0:05:50.805 --> 0:05:52.965 They went to shaved head. Yeah, I've had shaved head, 0:05:53.005 --> 0:05:54.605 bleached blonde hair, I've had it all. 0:05:54.765 --> 0:05:56.405 That's the one time you ever listened to me twelve 0:05:56.485 --> 0:05:56.925 years ago. 0:05:57.685 --> 0:05:58.885 How did you become mates? 0:05:58.965 --> 0:05:59.085 Like? 0:05:59.125 --> 0:06:03.285 What are the sign posts of mate chip between two guys. 0:06:03.645 --> 0:06:05.725 The thing that really actually impressed me with Nath was, 0:06:05.765 --> 0:06:07.645 I think because I had an interest in media at 0:06:07.645 --> 0:06:10.245 the time, that was why I moved to Sea. I 0:06:10.285 --> 0:06:12.365 had never really met anyone in my life that had 0:06:12.365 --> 0:06:15.285 the work ethic that Nath did. I was super impressed. 0:06:15.285 --> 0:06:17.685 I was like, this guy constantly shows up, he's finishing 0:06:17.685 --> 0:06:20.485 his law degree, he would do anything. I was like, Wow, 0:06:20.525 --> 0:06:22.525 I was really impressed by that. But I was also 0:06:22.605 --> 0:06:25.125 taken back because in this industry, I feel a lot 0:06:25.165 --> 0:06:27.965 of times people had taken advantage of and Nathan was 0:06:28.005 --> 0:06:30.845 being taken advantage of. He was doing everything at that 0:06:30.925 --> 0:06:33.485 business like for everyone, and I was like, and I 0:06:33.525 --> 0:06:35.045 just remember we having a beer once and I was like, 0:06:35.085 --> 0:06:36.925 what do you want to do though, and he's like, 0:06:36.925 --> 0:06:38.045 I want to be on air, like I want to 0:06:38.045 --> 0:06:38.445 have a show. 0:06:38.525 --> 0:06:40.165 And I was like, I think I first said ah, 0:06:40.285 --> 0:06:41.285 bit of this, bit of that. 0:06:41.285 --> 0:06:43.885 Yeah, like all of it, and You're like, I remember you, like, 0:06:43.885 --> 0:06:45.845 I want to do one because you had the community 0:06:45.845 --> 0:06:47.925 show with Coxy. You're done as part of it. 0:06:48.005 --> 0:06:51.525 So my degree was media communications and law, and as 0:06:51.565 --> 0:06:53.605 part of the media communication side, had to go and 0:06:53.645 --> 0:06:56.165 do an internship. And my dream was always to be 0:06:56.245 --> 0:06:57.965 on Getaway. I always want to be on Getaway. I 0:06:58.005 --> 0:06:59.565 used to watch Jewels Laden and I was like that 0:06:59.605 --> 0:07:02.445 guy goes to like Thailand and like swims in pools 0:07:02.445 --> 0:07:04.125 and gets paid. I was like, let me be that. 0:07:04.445 --> 0:07:06.965 And then we had to do an internship. And one 0:07:07.005 --> 0:07:11.365 of my other best friends, my Jimmy. Before Jimmy, he 0:07:11.525 --> 0:07:14.725 had sent me a thing online for nov they were 0:07:14.725 --> 0:07:17.045 looking for an intern like unpaid internship, and I was like, 0:07:17.485 --> 0:07:19.925 how good is this? Went for it didn't get it 0:07:19.965 --> 0:07:21.525 and I was like, oh okay, and then so I 0:07:21.525 --> 0:07:22.965 went I applied for this one two I. 0:07:22.965 --> 0:07:24.245 Didn't get the unpaid intern. 0:07:24.285 --> 0:07:25.925 Did you get it? That didn't get it? 0:07:26.005 --> 0:07:29.325 What a brutal blow, But it is because I mean 0:07:29.325 --> 0:07:31.365 that's how we all started in media. 0:07:31.885 --> 0:07:35.125 Absolutely, and then some of the didn't get it me. 0:07:36.285 --> 0:07:37.845 So I was like, well, stuff these I'm going to 0:07:37.885 --> 0:07:41.045 go to two r DJ, which was a Burwood community 0:07:41.125 --> 0:07:45.165 station that only broadcast to the Burwood Library Niche audience. 0:07:45.245 --> 0:07:46.845 This is without a word of a lie. At one 0:07:46.885 --> 0:07:49.045 point we when I did a show there, there was 0:07:49.085 --> 0:07:51.565 only four people listening and three of those people were 0:07:51.565 --> 0:07:55.565 called Betty. Three of the four people will called Betty 0:07:55.565 --> 0:07:56.085 in the library. 0:07:56.085 --> 0:07:56.965 What did that teach you? 0:07:57.645 --> 0:08:01.645 Humility? Yeah, humility being the big one, but also the 0:08:01.685 --> 0:08:04.325 importance of when you do get the foot in the door, 0:08:04.325 --> 0:08:06.365 although it was a you know, a creaky old door 0:08:06.365 --> 0:08:07.885 at the back of like a I think it was 0:08:07.885 --> 0:08:10.725 like a church or something in Burwood, to just do 0:08:10.845 --> 0:08:13.285 everything you can to make that the best product possible, 0:08:13.605 --> 0:08:16.325 because I mean, we were playing CDs. We couldn't go 0:08:16.405 --> 0:08:18.845 to ads at any point, so you just had to 0:08:18.885 --> 0:08:21.645 talk or you had to be okay just loading the cassette. 0:08:22.845 --> 0:08:23.885 And that's where it started. 0:08:24.325 --> 0:08:27.365 So what year was this that you guys started to Become. 0:08:27.125 --> 0:08:30.165 Mates twenty fourteen, fourteen. 0:08:30.245 --> 0:08:31.605 Yeah, when we you first on air. 0:08:31.525 --> 0:08:35.965 Together September twenty sixth, twenty fifteen. I know because my 0:08:36.045 --> 0:08:36.805 dad made a mug. 0:08:38.405 --> 0:08:43.125 In every creative partnership, you do fall into roles in 0:08:43.245 --> 0:08:45.765 terms of who does what heavy lifting and what you 0:08:45.805 --> 0:08:49.845 each contribute, and sometimes that's unwritten and just works itself out. 0:08:50.765 --> 0:08:53.605 How did you navigate that at the beginning? Who was 0:08:53.645 --> 0:08:54.685 doing what well? 0:08:54.765 --> 0:08:57.645 I mean to go back to the very very start 0:08:57.765 --> 0:09:00.205 and the naming of the show was, you know, the 0:09:00.245 --> 0:09:03.365 first official decision that we had to make. To answer 0:09:03.365 --> 0:09:05.765 your question me, like the roles that we developed, we 0:09:05.845 --> 0:09:08.125 just fell into them because we came up from two 0:09:08.165 --> 0:09:10.885 different sides of the business. But that first decision, when 0:09:10.885 --> 0:09:13.285 we're at two IDJ, we were sitting there doing this 0:09:13.405 --> 0:09:15.965 drive show with June looking through the window and she 0:09:16.045 --> 0:09:18.165 told us that we were laughing too much, that needed 0:09:18.165 --> 0:09:20.765 to be more serious. That was the first ever air check. 0:09:20.605 --> 0:09:23.285 We got was from June was very serious. 0:09:23.405 --> 0:09:25.405 That Our first ever talk break, and we do have 0:09:25.485 --> 0:09:28.005 it somewhere was to decide what do we call the show? 0:09:28.205 --> 0:09:30.725 Is it called Nathan Jimmy because it had been Nathan 0:09:30.805 --> 0:09:32.685 Coxy or do we call it Jimmy naighth and true 0:09:32.725 --> 0:09:34.765 story in that exact moment, live on the air. Because 0:09:34.765 --> 0:09:37.765 we couldn't go to ads, couldn't do anything. Jimmy downloaded 0:09:37.805 --> 0:09:40.725 one of those love Calculator apps and typed in Jimmy 0:09:40.725 --> 0:09:43.445 and nath and then typed in Nathan. Jimmy Nathan Jimmy 0:09:43.445 --> 0:09:47.245 came up like four percent compatibility Jimmy eighth ninety eight 0:09:47.245 --> 0:09:50.245 point nine percent. So we're like, that's the show. That's 0:09:50.365 --> 0:09:52.285 how we name Wow. 0:09:52.685 --> 0:09:56.805 It's a beautiful ourighin story. Love Calculator. Tell me about 0:09:56.845 --> 0:10:00.725 how your friendship has developed in parallel to your working relationship. 0:10:01.125 --> 0:10:03.245 I mean, at times it's made it easier and at 0:10:03.245 --> 0:10:04.645 times it's made it difficult. 0:10:04.845 --> 0:10:05.845 Start with it easier. 0:10:06.445 --> 0:10:08.845 Easy stuff is we've grown up a lot, you know, 0:10:09.085 --> 0:10:12.125 in the last ten twelve years or whatever with each other. 0:10:12.325 --> 0:10:13.885 How are you both now thirty one? 0:10:13.925 --> 0:10:14.605 I'm thirty four. 0:10:15.165 --> 0:10:19.565 Yeah, so it's been around ten years years. Happy anniversary, 0:10:19.645 --> 0:10:20.405 Thank you so much. 0:10:20.885 --> 0:10:21.645 Where's the case. 0:10:21.725 --> 0:10:25.525 I think there's beauty in having my best friend around 0:10:25.605 --> 0:10:28.045 as much as I do. As I've gotten older, and 0:10:28.325 --> 0:10:32.445 you know, friends have gotten into relationships, marriages, kids, et cetera. 0:10:32.925 --> 0:10:35.885 You know more work responsibilities. I don't see my friends 0:10:35.885 --> 0:10:38.685 as much as I grow older, I know that every 0:10:38.725 --> 0:10:40.525 day I'm still going to see my best mate. You know, 0:10:40.565 --> 0:10:42.725 we have work, and my dad always said to me, 0:10:43.165 --> 0:10:44.645 find a job you love. You'll never work a day 0:10:44.645 --> 0:10:48.285 in your life. That's fucking wrong. There are days where 0:10:48.325 --> 0:10:50.365 this is hard, like hard work. 0:10:50.565 --> 0:10:52.325 For someone who hasn't listened to your show, can you 0:10:52.365 --> 0:10:54.205 describe it how it is now? 0:10:54.685 --> 0:10:58.165 It's escape isn't really joy joy. I think when we 0:10:58.205 --> 0:11:00.845 started it it was just we wanted to make each 0:11:00.845 --> 0:11:03.245 other laugh. That was probably because we had that common 0:11:03.325 --> 0:11:06.285 like stuff that we found funny. And then from that 0:11:06.365 --> 0:11:08.325 we discover that, you know, people have this real sense 0:11:08.325 --> 0:11:11.725 of joy and escape ism and I found out to 0:11:11.765 --> 0:11:14.005 have depression and anxiety. It's something I've had in my 0:11:14.005 --> 0:11:15.565 whole life, but I found that out through the journey 0:11:15.605 --> 0:11:18.165 of radio as well. And part of this show that 0:11:18.205 --> 0:11:20.285 we created, which I love, is that you know, life's 0:11:20.525 --> 0:11:22.925 really hard, like it's hard. We just hope that whether 0:11:22.925 --> 0:11:24.885 people tune in for one show or a podcast a 0:11:24.885 --> 0:11:27.005 week a month, find us on the socials, whatever it 0:11:27.085 --> 0:11:29.485 is just gives them a laugh, smile on their face. 0:11:29.565 --> 0:11:31.885 It's one of the one of the most difficult conversations 0:11:31.925 --> 0:11:33.685 we ever had with the content director was about five 0:11:33.765 --> 0:11:36.325 six years ago, and we sat down with him and 0:11:36.325 --> 0:11:39.005 he was quite influential, and we were very nervous to 0:11:39.045 --> 0:11:41.005 meet this guy. And we sat down with him and 0:11:41.045 --> 0:11:44.165 he said to us, who you're targeting, what's the target 0:11:44.165 --> 0:11:46.405 of Jimmy at who you're going after? Who's your demographic? 0:11:46.965 --> 0:11:50.845 And we replied, everybody. We want everybody. Why I put 0:11:50.845 --> 0:11:52.325 one line in when we can throw a whole net 0:11:52.365 --> 0:11:55.285 in And he goes stupid, who's your demographic? Is it 0:11:55.325 --> 0:11:58.085 blokes like you? You're going after blokes? And we're like, no, no, no, 0:11:58.565 --> 0:12:00.565 we want to go after everybody. We want to provide 0:12:00.685 --> 0:12:03.885 content that can capture eight to eighty sorry about seven 0:12:03.925 --> 0:12:05.685 and eighty one, but you know, we want to throw 0:12:05.765 --> 0:12:06.885 that wide net out. 0:12:07.045 --> 0:12:07.565 Tough stuff. 0:12:08.205 --> 0:12:11.365 But we've never understood it just going after I mean, 0:12:11.365 --> 0:12:13.605 the importance of demographics is there for sales, and I 0:12:13.645 --> 0:12:16.085 get that side, but we've never understood the point in 0:12:16.125 --> 0:12:20.525 creating contents solely, particularly in radio, which is accessible to everybody, solely, 0:12:20.725 --> 0:12:24.485 you know, targeted at one particular area or one particular demographic, 0:12:24.805 --> 0:12:27.325 when you know, we want to be number one overall, 0:12:27.645 --> 0:12:29.845 so we try and balance our content to do so. 0:12:30.245 --> 0:12:32.085 You know, we might talk about sport at one point, 0:12:32.125 --> 0:12:34.445 and then we might you know, talk about gossip or 0:12:34.485 --> 0:12:36.445 Taylor Swift or something to hit that you know, that 0:12:36.525 --> 0:12:39.325 gen z area. There's so many different tweaks that we 0:12:39.365 --> 0:12:42.205 make in our content to ensure that it is accessible 0:12:42.445 --> 0:12:43.765 for everybody. And you have a. 0:12:43.685 --> 0:12:47.045 Podcast as well, bloody hell, stop cutting my grass. What's 0:12:47.085 --> 0:12:48.005 your podcast about? 0:12:48.205 --> 0:12:50.645 Yeah, that's called Born Funny where we sit down long 0:12:50.685 --> 0:12:53.005 form chat to funny people deep if we. 0:12:52.925 --> 0:12:54.845 Catch up with that. Born Funny is about us catching 0:12:54.885 --> 0:12:56.845 up with the world's funniest people and figuring out if 0:12:56.845 --> 0:12:58.685 they were born funny or if it's something that they've 0:12:58.685 --> 0:13:01.005 picked up and developed along the way. And it's not 0:13:01.085 --> 0:13:04.885 just stand up comedians or comics or TV stars, it's athletes, 0:13:05.245 --> 0:13:06.565 it's authors. 0:13:07.405 --> 0:13:10.405 Yeah, it's it be funny to start with. 0:13:10.725 --> 0:13:11.005 No. 0:13:11.285 --> 0:13:13.085 Most of the time we asked them at the start 0:13:13.125 --> 0:13:14.805 of the podcast, do you think you were born funny? 0:13:14.845 --> 0:13:16.005 And do their whole life? 0:13:16.125 --> 0:13:17.685 Ninety eight percent of the time they changed their answer 0:13:17.725 --> 0:13:18.165 by the end. 0:13:18.525 --> 0:13:22.485 You mentioned before, Jimmy that you guys shared values. Can 0:13:22.525 --> 0:13:23.885 you tell me what those values are. 0:13:24.445 --> 0:13:26.245 I think work ethic is a big one, and I 0:13:26.285 --> 0:13:28.325 know that was one of the first things jim brought up. 0:13:28.685 --> 0:13:30.965 We met in an industry that we all passionate about 0:13:31.005 --> 0:13:33.565 and something that we wanted to grow in and to 0:13:33.605 --> 0:13:36.845 be a part of for hopefully a long time, and 0:13:36.885 --> 0:13:39.925 we needed that other person to be, you know, a 0:13:40.005 --> 0:13:42.485 cog in allowing us to achieve that, and we didn't 0:13:42.525 --> 0:13:45.605 have that. So from the outset that was the number 0:13:45.605 --> 0:13:47.765 one thing that we shared. Do we like radio, yes, 0:13:47.805 --> 0:13:49.365 Do we want to have a career in this yes? 0:13:49.445 --> 0:13:52.605 Do we work hard? Yes? That was the initial three 0:13:52.685 --> 0:13:55.445 foundations of Jimmy Nah, because I had done shows and 0:13:55.485 --> 0:13:57.925 I worked on the street team with different people before 0:13:57.965 --> 0:13:59.845 who were kind of like had one foot in, one 0:13:59.845 --> 0:14:02.005 foot out. They're like, oh, yeah, this kind of works whatever, 0:14:02.205 --> 0:14:04.485 but also like kind of like writing and doing TV 0:14:04.605 --> 0:14:07.005 stuff and music, which is fine and that's great, but 0:14:07.085 --> 0:14:08.765 I needed somebody who was going to be like me 0:14:08.845 --> 0:14:11.405 because I have no other skills, right, I can only 0:14:11.445 --> 0:14:13.805 really talk talk and be creative. I don't I can't 0:14:13.805 --> 0:14:15.925 play music, I can't act, I can't do any of 0:14:15.965 --> 0:14:16.325 that stuff. 0:14:16.325 --> 0:14:17.205 Did you get your law degree? 0:14:17.205 --> 0:14:18.885 In the end, I did get law degree. It took 0:14:18.885 --> 0:14:21.565 a very long time be lawyer. Oh I'd like to 0:14:21.565 --> 0:14:22.965 think of myself as the lawyer of the gym. 0:14:22.925 --> 0:14:25.045 Nation, which Snaith would stop saying in meetings on the 0:14:25.045 --> 0:14:28.605 in house council for Jimmy days and being like, it's fine. 0:14:28.245 --> 0:14:29.805 I'm still One of my favorite jokes is let me 0:14:29.885 --> 0:14:31.045 check with legal, don't worry. 0:14:31.045 --> 0:14:33.165 Also that I've never been to school, never ever been 0:14:33.205 --> 0:14:33.725 to university. 0:14:33.765 --> 0:14:35.885 There's still people in our business that go like, take 0:14:35.965 --> 0:14:38.205 him seriously, Oh yeah, And I'm like, no. 0:14:38.285 --> 0:14:40.565 When I ask you guys questions, you come back to 0:14:40.645 --> 0:14:44.485 work all the time. But when I'm talking about values, 0:14:44.525 --> 0:14:46.845 work ethic is one, but I'm thinking of other kinds 0:14:46.885 --> 0:14:47.485 of values. 0:14:48.205 --> 0:14:51.765 A big thing Nathan and I on trying to empower 0:14:51.885 --> 0:14:54.445 others and maybe give people who don't have a voice 0:14:54.525 --> 0:14:57.845 the voice. And it's interesting when you say that, you 0:14:57.885 --> 0:14:59.765 ask us those questions and we come back to work. 0:15:00.525 --> 0:15:03.605 And something I've you know, and still trying to unravel 0:15:03.925 --> 0:15:07.085 and do is we've put so much of ourselves into this. 0:15:07.885 --> 0:15:11.285 I don't think Nathan and I know where Jimmy, James Smith, 0:15:11.565 --> 0:15:14.885 nath Nathan Roy begin and where it ends in terms 0:15:14.925 --> 0:15:20.205 of work and life. It's so intertwined, which is difficult. 0:15:20.325 --> 0:15:26.845 And I am somewhat jealous of Nay's relationship with his wife. 0:15:27.005 --> 0:15:30.085 They met on the street team at Nova before Nath 0:15:30.125 --> 0:15:33.405 and I met, and she has been with Nath over 0:15:33.445 --> 0:15:36.325 that journey and being able to see and navigate that. 0:15:37.005 --> 0:15:38.925 And I've made terrible decisions in my own life that 0:15:38.965 --> 0:15:41.765 haven't allowed me to have that, like what depression anxiety, 0:15:42.085 --> 0:15:44.085 not knowing I've had it and knowing I've had it, 0:15:44.365 --> 0:15:47.325 made terrible decisions with drugs and alcohol and trying to 0:15:47.445 --> 0:15:51.565 self medicate that, hurting ex partners, cheating on them, making 0:15:51.765 --> 0:15:55.845 terrible decisions. I wish I hadn't done those things, you know. 0:15:55.885 --> 0:15:57.925 That's put it in a more difficult position now. And 0:15:58.245 --> 0:15:59.725 the partner I have at the moment is amazing, and 0:15:59.725 --> 0:16:02.125 I love Charlotte very much and I'm very hopeful of it. 0:16:02.685 --> 0:16:04.285 And I'm still trying to work through that because there 0:16:04.325 --> 0:16:06.845 are times where I'm doing things or saying things and 0:16:06.885 --> 0:16:09.125 she's even looking at me, going that's a work that 0:16:09.925 --> 0:16:12.125 there needs to be some sort of separation there. 0:16:12.685 --> 0:16:13.325 What do you mean? 0:16:13.685 --> 0:16:15.525 There needs to be a separation between what is the 0:16:15.565 --> 0:16:17.245 Jimmy and a show and what is work and being 0:16:17.245 --> 0:16:18.805 able to switch off and get away from. 0:16:18.645 --> 0:16:20.765 That and create boundaries for something that we've had to 0:16:20.845 --> 0:16:21.765 learn as well. 0:16:22.005 --> 0:16:23.605 There hasn't been boundaries. 0:16:24.285 --> 0:16:27.165 More with Jimmy and nath and me after a short break. 0:16:33.885 --> 0:16:36.605 Where's an example of where there hasn't been boundaries and 0:16:36.645 --> 0:16:37.805 it's come back to bite you. 0:16:38.085 --> 0:16:41.245 I'd say more recently, it's being on the phone and 0:16:41.285 --> 0:16:44.165 still posting on a weekend and checking in on socials, 0:16:44.205 --> 0:16:47.565 looking at an email. Because Nathan and I are friends, 0:16:48.085 --> 0:16:51.365 We'll still want to talk about rugby league or something 0:16:51.365 --> 0:16:54.805 like we're sports fans, but that conversation will bleed back 0:16:54.845 --> 0:16:59.605 to work. And I've had conversations with many psychologists about 0:16:59.605 --> 0:17:02.205 this app Whatever our workplace is or whatever our work is, 0:17:02.605 --> 0:17:05.525 our brain releases chemicals into the brain, right because it's like, 0:17:05.565 --> 0:17:07.765 you know, if you're working onto a job site, once 0:17:07.805 --> 0:17:10.125 you step onto that job site, ain actually flooded with 0:17:10.125 --> 0:17:11.725 the chemicals. It's like we're on today, this is what 0:17:11.805 --> 0:17:14.725 we're at right. So for Nathan and I, yes, there's 0:17:14.765 --> 0:17:17.165 the studio and you could say stepping into there, but 0:17:17.605 --> 0:17:20.005 opening my phone and posting some something on social media 0:17:20.045 --> 0:17:22.085 and opening the jim and eighth. Instagram is also flooding 0:17:22.085 --> 0:17:24.125 my brain with that same chemical when I talk to 0:17:24.205 --> 0:17:26.565 nath and it's about rugby league, but then it transitions 0:17:26.605 --> 0:17:28.805 to he's like, did you see that email? So they 0:17:28.805 --> 0:17:31.765 want us to do this thing. Chemical release into my 0:17:31.805 --> 0:17:33.765 brain and I think I mentioned earlier, I don't have 0:17:33.805 --> 0:17:36.325 as much battery as Naith does, and I will be 0:17:36.445 --> 0:17:38.965 drained and I will come home and I will sit 0:17:39.045 --> 0:17:41.325