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Speaker 1: You're listening to A Mother and Me a podcast. Mama

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Speaker 1: Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that

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Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to No Filter, and my name's Mia Freedmen. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of bad news about men around at the moment.

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Speaker 1: You may have noticed, not all men, of course, but

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Speaker 1: some men, men who are violent towards women, Men like

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Speaker 1: Andrew Tate, who are infecting the minds of boys and

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Speaker 1: young men with viral poison about women and about what

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Speaker 1: it means to be a man. He's gross. I love men.

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Speaker 1: I love the man I'm married, and the men I

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Speaker 1: gave birth to, and the men I work with, and

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Speaker 1: the men who are my friends and my relatives. And

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Speaker 1: as the mother of sons, I've always scanned the horizon

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Speaker 1: for good men, and there are plenty out there, most

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Speaker 1: of them, in fact, They just don't tend to get

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Speaker 1: the same kind of attention as the shitty ones, which

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Speaker 1: is why today you're going to meet two great men.

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Speaker 1: They work together, they're best friends, and they're not hay

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Speaker 1: Mish and Andy, although they have been compared to them.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith and Nathan Roy are radio hosts and podcasters,

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Speaker 1: and they're also a brand called Jimmy and Nath. Jimmy's

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Speaker 1: thirty four, Nath is thirty one, and they could not

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Speaker 1: be more different in some ways. Jimmy struggles with his

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Speaker 1: mental health and Nath is like a Golden retriever in

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Speaker 1: human form, always wagging his tail. Jimmy has blown up

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Speaker 1: romantic partnerships in the past due to battles with addiction,

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Speaker 1: which is something he's working on. Nath is happily married.

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Speaker 1: In other ways, though, the ways that really count, they

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Speaker 1: good man. They're very funny blokes, Jimmy and Nath, and

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Speaker 1: they like to make people laugh and they like to

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Speaker 1: make each other laugh. So when we sat down together

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Speaker 1: and MEA, I expected that we would be talking about

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Speaker 1: their careers and their successes and matship and the ways

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Speaker 1: that they're using their platform and their audience. They have

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Speaker 1: those platforms to discuss some really important things. What I

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Speaker 1: didn't expect was some tears and vulnerability, and well it

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Speaker 1: was a love story, or in other words, maybe a bromance.

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Speaker 1: So in a way, their romance is a romantic comedy.

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Speaker 1: A romantic comedy. Did I just invent a new genre?

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Speaker 1: But in the spirit of all good romantic comedies, it

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Speaker 1: was not love at first sight. Let's do this. Jimmy Nath,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Nath, Hello, tell me how did you meet?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: I hated Nathan.

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Speaker 2: This is the best story. We love getting asked to

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Speaker 2: like a rom com Yeah, like hated me. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's probably best to be described from your yes.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in gunder Windy in the country, moved

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Speaker 3: friends that like, you should do it, should do it.

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Speaker 3: One of my closest friends moved to Sydney said just

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Speaker 3: on the Street Team. I meet Nath and just instantly

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Speaker 1: We were you also on the street team? What is

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Speaker 1: the street team? Explained For those who don't know what

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Speaker 2: So the street team is every radio show has one,

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Speaker 2: and it's when they go out and they're the guys

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Speaker 1: We still exist street teams.

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Speaker 2: No, they still exist. So when we're at Nova, we

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Speaker 1: So you hated him? Why how old were you both?

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Speaker 2: Just like high overcombed Jimmy do I good fining, meet you,

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Speaker 3: Just so much energy and they still have and I

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Speaker 2: Yes, I get that many times A.

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Speaker 1: Tattook Golden retriever, but without tattoos.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't have anyone like that in my life,

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Speaker 1: What was your impression?

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Speaker 2: My impression of everybody when I first meet them is

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Speaker 1: It's very golden retreat.

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Speaker 2: It's very golden retriever. If you have like a little

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Speaker 2: And I mean that was the same with Jim. Every

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Speaker 2: we had built a little family that we would you know,

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Speaker 2: being like, okay, he's a little bit quiet, but I

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Speaker 2: the real hymn. He also had a top knot, which

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Speaker 2: I didn't love at the time when I first met him.

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Speaker 3: Choice, Yeah, I've had a lot of hairst It was

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Speaker 2: Bit of feedback I've ever given him was let's lose

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Speaker 2: the top knot and then you did shaved it off.

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Speaker 2: That's the one time you ever listened to me twelve

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Speaker 1: How did you become mates?

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Speaker 1: What are the sign posts of mate chip between two guys.

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Speaker 3: The thing that really actually impressed me with Nath was,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I think I first said ah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like all of it, and You're like, I remember you, like,

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Speaker 2: And that's where it started.

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Speaker 1: So what year was this that you guys started to Become.

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Speaker 2: Mates twenty fourteen, fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when we you first on air.

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Speaker 2: Together September twenty sixth, twenty fifteen. I know because my

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Speaker 1: In every creative partnership, you do fall into roles in

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Speaker 2: I mean to go back to the very very start

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Speaker 3: We got was from June was very serious.

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Speaker 2: That Our first ever talk break, and we do have

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Speaker 2: it somewhere was to decide what do we call the show?

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Speaker 2: Is it called Nathan Jimmy because it had been Nathan

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Speaker 2: we couldn't go to ads, couldn't do anything. Jimmy downloaded

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Speaker 2: one of those love Calculator apps and typed in Jimmy

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Speaker 2: and nath and then typed in Nathan. Jimmy Nathan Jimmy

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful ourighin story. Love Calculator. Tell me about

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Speaker 2: on the show and Suzuki left me on red for

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00:19:14,365 --> 00:19:15,885
Speaker 2: a bit, but then they came back, which is nice.

440
00:19:15,925 --> 00:19:17,805
Speaker 2: But you can't turn that off exactly.

441
00:19:17,885 --> 00:19:21,405
Speaker 1: I get that because that's me, right, and I exhaust people.

442
00:19:21,845 --> 00:19:22,565
Speaker 2: I drain people.

443
00:19:23,285 --> 00:19:25,965
Speaker 1: I drained. That's such a good way thinking of it.

444
00:19:26,045 --> 00:19:30,325
Speaker 1: I drain people's batteries. And then conversely, when you've got

445
00:19:30,405 --> 00:19:33,685
Speaker 1: someone that you love who vibrates at a different frequency,

446
00:19:34,165 --> 00:19:37,565
Speaker 1: like Jimmy and like everybody else in my life, that

447
00:19:37,645 --> 00:19:41,245
Speaker 1: drains my battery. That can drain my battery, absolutely, because

448
00:19:41,685 --> 00:19:45,165
Speaker 1: I get fed by being around people who are like me.

449
00:19:45,285 --> 00:19:47,325
Speaker 1: But then also even I get tired of me, I

450
00:19:47,405 --> 00:19:48,285
Speaker 1: drain my own battery.

451
00:19:48,325 --> 00:19:50,925
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, I absolutely do. And that's

452
00:19:50,925 --> 00:19:53,525
Speaker 2: why I mean ginspekes so well about it, for I'm

453
00:19:53,565 --> 00:19:55,605
Speaker 2: so lucky you talk about the reason, you know, while

454
00:19:55,645 --> 00:19:58,525
Speaker 2: we are so close and we have values that we share,

455
00:19:58,565 --> 00:20:00,765
Speaker 2: but because we have values that we don't share, that

456
00:20:00,885 --> 00:20:03,845
Speaker 2: improves me as a human as well. Like what so

457
00:20:03,965 --> 00:20:06,365
Speaker 2: the ability to put up boundaries and step back. Not

458
00:20:06,485 --> 00:20:08,485
Speaker 2: everything needs to be a big thing. You don't need

459
00:20:08,525 --> 00:20:10,525
Speaker 2: to reach out to everybody. You can be okay when

460
00:20:10,685 --> 00:20:12,965
Speaker 2: Suzuki leaves you on Red and not being like the

461
00:20:12,965 --> 00:20:15,005
Speaker 2: show is fucked. No one's into us. No one wants

462
00:20:15,005 --> 00:20:17,845
Speaker 2: to do a Taylor Swift idea because that's I'm either

463
00:20:17,925 --> 00:20:20,285
Speaker 2: all up here or if it doesn't happen, it's doom

464
00:20:20,285 --> 00:20:20,645
Speaker 2: and gloom.

465
00:20:20,645 --> 00:20:23,165
Speaker 1: It's all over, which is where you live a lot

466
00:20:23,165 --> 00:20:26,805
Speaker 1: of the time. Yes, in doom and gloom. And then

467
00:20:26,845 --> 00:20:31,485
Speaker 1: anxiety is different to being up because I also have that.

468
00:20:31,485 --> 00:20:34,765
Speaker 1: That's awful. Anxiety is awful.

469
00:20:35,005 --> 00:20:38,685
Speaker 3: We had a lunch in the calendar last week week

470
00:20:38,725 --> 00:20:43,325
Speaker 3: before and team was due. Jared is here today, Nay,

471
00:20:43,645 --> 00:20:46,565
Speaker 3: everyone in our team and so we pre recorded the

472
00:20:46,565 --> 00:20:48,445
Speaker 3: Friday night show so we could go to this lunch.

473
00:20:48,445 --> 00:20:50,685
Speaker 3: It was just Sony. We love Sony. It was celebrating

474
00:20:50,685 --> 00:20:52,085
Speaker 3: some of the work we've done with their artists. I'm

475
00:20:52,125 --> 00:20:54,085
Speaker 3: going to sit down and have a nice lunch, boozy lunch,

476
00:20:54,085 --> 00:20:57,645
Speaker 3: talk about some ideas. I woke up Friday morning. My

477
00:20:57,725 --> 00:21:00,405
Speaker 3: left hand shakes so badly when I'm anxious and just

478
00:21:00,485 --> 00:21:02,285
Speaker 3: could not get out of bed, could not get out

479
00:21:02,285 --> 00:21:05,045
Speaker 3: of bed, and it's the worst fucking feeling. And it

480
00:21:05,085 --> 00:21:08,445
Speaker 3: was even worse because I'd burnt myself two weeks with

481
00:21:08,605 --> 00:21:10,725
Speaker 3: so much. We'd had so many events, so many things

482
00:21:10,765 --> 00:21:14,885
Speaker 3: with the show, all this extra stuff, and my partner

483
00:21:14,885 --> 00:21:16,965
Speaker 3: wanted to do something for Friday night and I just

484
00:21:17,085 --> 00:21:19,765
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't do anything. And then it's like,

485
00:21:20,365 --> 00:21:22,325
Speaker 3: why did I do all this other stuff in the

486
00:21:22,325 --> 00:21:24,205
Speaker 3: person that I, you know, with no offense to night,

487
00:21:24,405 --> 00:21:26,045
Speaker 3: Like nath is my best mate, but here's someone I

488
00:21:26,125 --> 00:21:27,405
Speaker 3: love and care about and I want to be better

489
00:21:27,445 --> 00:21:29,085
Speaker 3: for her. I can't get out of bed and go

490
00:21:29,125 --> 00:21:30,765
Speaker 3: to the event. I can't even be around her, Like,

491
00:21:30,805 --> 00:21:32,005
Speaker 3: I can't fucking do anything.

492
00:21:32,365 --> 00:21:33,645
Speaker 2: It's just what do you do?

493
00:21:33,765 --> 00:21:36,605
Speaker 3: Text? So there's a part in the brain that works

494
00:21:36,645 --> 00:21:39,205
Speaker 3: the gratitude thing of like, but you can't just think

495
00:21:39,245 --> 00:21:40,645
Speaker 3: of it because you know, when you're own head and

496
00:21:40,645 --> 00:21:42,565
Speaker 3: there's all the chemicals. So I physically write down the

497
00:21:42,565 --> 00:21:45,405
Speaker 3: things that I'm thankful for, and that you know, starts

498
00:21:45,405 --> 00:21:48,005
Speaker 3: to slow me down. I meditate, try and control my breathing,

499
00:21:48,725 --> 00:21:51,405
Speaker 3: and then unfortunately part of that is just rest. Like

500
00:21:51,445 --> 00:21:53,525
Speaker 3: I can't then try and force myself, and you know,

501
00:21:53,565 --> 00:21:55,805
Speaker 3: I have to explain that to my partner and tell Nathan,

502
00:21:55,805 --> 00:21:57,645
Speaker 3: I'm like, I actually do need some time away from

503
00:21:57,645 --> 00:22:01,005
Speaker 3: everyone because my battery will get recharged from being away

504
00:22:01,045 --> 00:22:04,285
Speaker 3: from everybody, which is difficult as well. So that's, you know,

505
00:22:05,005 --> 00:22:07,125
Speaker 3: also something I'm trying to manage in that I have

506
00:22:07,165 --> 00:22:09,085
Speaker 3: to look at my calendar constantly to be like, I'm

507
00:22:09,085 --> 00:22:10,845
Speaker 3: gonna need to put some space in there where i

508
00:22:10,845 --> 00:22:13,045
Speaker 3: can just slow down to be able not just to

509
00:22:13,085 --> 00:22:15,445
Speaker 3: do the work stuff, but also be able to do

510
00:22:15,525 --> 00:22:16,605
Speaker 3: my life stuff.

511
00:22:17,285 --> 00:22:19,085
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about, you know, putting boundaries in

512
00:22:19,085 --> 00:22:20,685
Speaker 2: and stuff as well, and I've had to learn this.

513
00:22:20,845 --> 00:22:23,165
Speaker 2: You know, my Jim mentioned her before, but my wife

514
00:22:23,245 --> 00:22:26,925
Speaker 2: Meg is the most incredible human being on the planet,

515
00:22:26,965 --> 00:22:29,285
Speaker 2: hands down, and I will fight anybody who argues. She

516
00:22:29,925 --> 00:22:32,725
Speaker 2: has been you know, with me as long as you know,

517
00:22:32,845 --> 00:22:35,045
Speaker 2: Jim and I have been together, has watched that journey,

518
00:22:35,045 --> 00:22:38,845
Speaker 2: has seen the highs and lows between us commercially as

519
00:22:38,885 --> 00:22:42,205
Speaker 2: a business, seen our success, and she has this incredible

520
00:22:42,245 --> 00:22:44,845
Speaker 2: ability to know, not it sounds cliche, but to put

521
00:22:44,845 --> 00:22:47,925
Speaker 2: things into this wonderful perspective for me as well. So

522
00:22:48,005 --> 00:22:51,085
Speaker 2: when I'm carrying this stress or anxiety or anything from

523
00:22:51,125 --> 00:22:53,485
Speaker 2: work and I come back to her. God, she just

524
00:22:53,565 --> 00:22:58,245
Speaker 2: has this unbelievable ability to you know, hear perfectly, but

525
00:22:58,285 --> 00:23:01,885
Speaker 2: then also kind of justify why I've done something, but

526
00:23:01,965 --> 00:23:04,445
Speaker 2: also explain how I don't have to react in a

527
00:23:04,445 --> 00:23:06,485
Speaker 2: certain way or don't have to do that kind of thing.

528
00:23:06,765 --> 00:23:09,285
Speaker 2: A bit of backstory on her. She has cissy fiber

529
00:23:10,165 --> 00:23:14,125
Speaker 2: and she was the first Australian to summit Matt Kilimanjaro

530
00:23:14,365 --> 00:23:19,885
Speaker 2: in Africa. We see her right a quite literally a

531
00:23:19,925 --> 00:23:24,885
Speaker 2: high achiever. Cissy fibrosis is a illness that you can't see,

532
00:23:24,885 --> 00:23:27,365
Speaker 2: but it operates internally and it impacts one of two

533
00:23:27,365 --> 00:23:30,685
Speaker 2: things or both, either pancreas or the lungs. In makes condition,

534
00:23:30,925 --> 00:23:34,045
Speaker 2: it impacts both the pancreas and the lungs, to the

535
00:23:34,045 --> 00:23:37,725
Speaker 2: point where people describe the way she breathes as like

536
00:23:37,805 --> 00:23:41,525
Speaker 2: breathing through a straw. So when we take a big

537
00:23:41,525 --> 00:23:43,965
Speaker 2: breath in, we can fit our lungs, we can exhale

538
00:23:44,165 --> 00:23:47,085
Speaker 2: as everyone normally does. With her, every time she takes

539
00:23:47,125 --> 00:23:49,525
Speaker 2: a big breath in, it'd be like breathing through a straw.

540
00:23:49,725 --> 00:23:52,285
Speaker 2: That's how much she can fill her lungs every single time,

541
00:23:52,365 --> 00:23:54,525
Speaker 2: and then her pancreas on the other side of things.

542
00:23:54,885 --> 00:23:57,325
Speaker 2: Finds it very difficult to break down food and draw

543
00:23:57,405 --> 00:23:59,605
Speaker 2: nutrients out of that food. So she has you know

544
00:23:59,645 --> 00:24:02,325
Speaker 2: a plethora of different medications and things that she needs

545
00:24:02,325 --> 00:24:04,605
Speaker 2: to do, and her diligence towards that is part and

546
00:24:04,685 --> 00:24:08,045
Speaker 2: parcel in why her health is so incredible. We've done

547
00:24:08,045 --> 00:24:10,525
Speaker 2: so many different things on the show that have allowed

548
00:24:10,605 --> 00:24:13,165
Speaker 2: us to showcase, you know, the work that she does

549
00:24:13,205 --> 00:24:15,725
Speaker 2: in that. Like there was a tricafter which was a

550
00:24:15,725 --> 00:24:18,565
Speaker 2: new drug that came in that quite literally saved a

551
00:24:18,605 --> 00:24:21,125
Speaker 2: lot of people's lives with cissy fibrosis, and she was

552
00:24:21,165 --> 00:24:23,205
Speaker 2: at the forefront of you know, helping her bring that

553
00:24:23,245 --> 00:24:25,885
Speaker 2: to the country and we raise money for it with Kilimajara.

554
00:24:26,005 --> 00:24:27,925
Speaker 2: But you know, doing that kind of stuff on the

555
00:24:27,925 --> 00:24:32,125
Speaker 2: show allows me to intermix my personal life and the

556
00:24:32,165 --> 00:24:33,885
Speaker 2: show in such a beautiful way.

557
00:24:34,205 --> 00:24:36,885
Speaker 1: What does it mean, nath given her condition when you

558
00:24:36,925 --> 00:24:39,005
Speaker 1: guys plan your future together.

559
00:24:39,245 --> 00:24:41,365
Speaker 2: It's a difficult one. It's a very difficult one, and

560
00:24:41,405 --> 00:24:43,725
Speaker 2: it's one that we've kind of, you know, we've had

561
00:24:43,725 --> 00:24:47,005
Speaker 2: to have hard conversations about a lot, to the point

562
00:24:47,045 --> 00:24:50,805
Speaker 2: where you know, I hate thinking anything negatively and stuff.

563
00:24:50,845 --> 00:24:52,645
Speaker 2: As you can probably kind of gather with me. So

564
00:24:52,685 --> 00:24:55,085
Speaker 2: it's something that I've had to be better with and

565
00:24:55,245 --> 00:24:57,085
Speaker 2: be able to sit there and, you know, look at

566
00:24:57,085 --> 00:25:01,685
Speaker 2: her and be realistic about where our life could potentially go.

567
00:25:02,165 --> 00:25:03,765
Speaker 2: And she won't mind me talking about this, but we've

568
00:25:03,765 --> 00:25:06,165
Speaker 2: had tests and stuff done so when we you know,

569
00:25:06,445 --> 00:25:09,325
Speaker 2: we want kids pretty soon. If I carried the CF

570
00:25:09,365 --> 00:25:11,125
Speaker 2: gene and she carried the c F gene, then we

571
00:25:11,165 --> 00:25:15,085
Speaker 2: would have to, for safety reasons, go through IVF. Luckily

572
00:25:15,125 --> 00:25:17,725
Speaker 2: I don't carry the CF gene and she does, which

573
00:25:17,805 --> 00:25:19,765
Speaker 2: means I did it. Guys really good for our mom

574
00:25:19,845 --> 00:25:22,565
Speaker 2: and dad, which means that we can conceive a child

575
00:25:22,565 --> 00:25:25,765
Speaker 2: that doesn't have cisic fibrosis. All the risk is incredibly low.

576
00:25:26,165 --> 00:25:27,605
Speaker 2: But we have to have those conversations.

577
00:25:27,805 --> 00:25:31,445
Speaker 1: Is she able to carry a pregnancy? She is?

578
00:25:32,205 --> 00:25:36,525
Speaker 2: She is, but it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

579
00:25:37,165 --> 00:25:39,365
Speaker 2: So yeah, she wouldn't be able to do it later

580
00:25:39,445 --> 00:25:39,885
Speaker 2: on in life.

581
00:25:39,965 --> 00:25:42,285
Speaker 1: We'll finish up soon. I don't want to get in

582
00:25:42,325 --> 00:25:43,925
Speaker 1: the way that she and.

583
00:25:43,925 --> 00:25:46,605
Speaker 2: She loves this podcast, so we will be having it

584
00:25:46,645 --> 00:25:46,925
Speaker 2: on me.

585
00:25:47,925 --> 00:25:54,485
Speaker 1: That's good. Think of me, Jimmy. It's better than thinking of.

586
00:25:54,365 --> 00:25:56,325
Speaker 2: You, which is what I normally know.

587
00:25:56,725 --> 00:26:01,845
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly after the break. What happens when your best

588
00:26:01,845 --> 00:26:04,925
Speaker 1: mate gets married and there's three of you in this relationship.

589
00:26:10,645 --> 00:26:13,325
Speaker 1: I want to ask about your relationship with Meg because

590
00:26:13,365 --> 00:26:16,325
Speaker 1: the relationship of a best friend and a partner is

591
00:26:16,325 --> 00:26:19,925
Speaker 1: an interesting one. How have you navigated that? What's been

592
00:26:19,965 --> 00:26:23,445
Speaker 1: the kind of milestones in your relationship with her?

593
00:26:23,885 --> 00:26:26,805
Speaker 3: Look, you know, she's an incredible woman, you know, not

594
00:26:26,845 --> 00:26:28,965
Speaker 3: just her battles with Sissi fhibrosis ors, you know, which

595
00:26:28,965 --> 00:26:32,565
Speaker 3: she's done professionally as well. And early in the relationship,

596
00:26:32,645 --> 00:26:34,685
Speaker 3: you know, really trying to be around and be there.

597
00:26:34,965 --> 00:26:39,205
Speaker 3: But as we've gotten older, I actually think it's been

598
00:26:39,245 --> 00:26:42,005
Speaker 3: more healthy to step away from it. Look, it's been difficult,

599
00:26:42,045 --> 00:26:45,165
Speaker 3: I think not. I think. I know as Nathan and

600
00:26:45,165 --> 00:26:47,885
Speaker 3: I again have gotten older, and you know, you put

601
00:26:47,925 --> 00:26:51,085
Speaker 3: so much into your career, but putting stuff into my

602
00:26:51,165 --> 00:26:54,005
Speaker 3: career means also putting things into night and vice versa.

603
00:26:54,085 --> 00:26:55,965
Speaker 3: For him to invest in Jimy and eighth, it also

604
00:26:56,005 --> 00:26:58,445
Speaker 3: means investing in me. And there are times that I

605
00:26:58,525 --> 00:27:01,685
Speaker 3: have not had growth with certain things because I haven't

606
00:27:01,765 --> 00:27:03,685
Speaker 3: need to the things that I have lacked. Nate has

607
00:27:03,725 --> 00:27:07,405
Speaker 3: provided give me an example dealing with depression anxiety in

608
00:27:07,445 --> 00:27:10,285
Speaker 3: those real low moments. Because Nathan that gold matruver and

609
00:27:10,325 --> 00:27:12,485
Speaker 3: he's all up at about and we were living together

610
00:27:12,525 --> 00:27:15,405
Speaker 3: and doing the show, I never had to face those

611
00:27:15,445 --> 00:27:19,245
Speaker 3: real hard low moments because he's always on. So rather

612
00:27:19,285 --> 00:27:21,325
Speaker 3: than sit with my thoughts, sit with my emotions, sit

613
00:27:21,325 --> 00:27:23,245
Speaker 3: in my feelings, I'm like, I could just sit in

614
00:27:23,245 --> 00:27:25,285
Speaker 3: the couch with him, play golf with him, just put

615
00:27:25,285 --> 00:27:29,125
Speaker 3: myself next to him. And also Nathan and I have

616
00:27:29,165 --> 00:27:32,325
Speaker 3: discovered that he has no internal monologue, so I'm always.

617
00:27:32,165 --> 00:27:35,605
Speaker 2: Like a granddad may like I will drive somebody.

618
00:27:36,005 --> 00:27:39,565
Speaker 3: My brain like voice, just no voices in me.

619
00:27:39,685 --> 00:27:42,125
Speaker 2: Just say what I see. Like if we're driving past

620
00:27:42,125 --> 00:27:45,565
Speaker 2: the petrol station, it's like fifty for like diesel. I

621
00:27:45,565 --> 00:27:47,965
Speaker 2: don't even drive a fucking diesel car. I'll go Pasca.

622
00:27:48,525 --> 00:27:49,525
Speaker 2: Diesel's expensive.

623
00:27:49,645 --> 00:27:53,365
Speaker 1: Oh so you've got no filters into brain fall straight out.

624
00:27:54,165 --> 00:27:56,205
Speaker 3: There's no voice in his head talking to him.

625
00:27:56,125 --> 00:27:58,045
Speaker 1: Too, there's no inside your head voice.

626
00:27:58,165 --> 00:28:01,725
Speaker 3: No, because again, like he's constantly talking, he's constantly happy,

627
00:28:01,725 --> 00:28:03,685
Speaker 3: and he always wants to do something like play a game,

628
00:28:03,765 --> 00:28:05,845
Speaker 3: do something, provide an escape. So when yeah, when I

629
00:28:05,965 --> 00:28:08,165
Speaker 3: was you know, struggling, I just was like I just

630
00:28:08,165 --> 00:28:09,605
Speaker 3: need to spend more time with him. I don't have

631
00:28:09,685 --> 00:28:12,125
Speaker 3: to think because I'm listening to his voice. We're physically

632
00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:14,325
Speaker 3: doing something, and then you're exhausted by the time you

633
00:28:14,365 --> 00:28:14,805
Speaker 3: go to bed.

634
00:28:15,085 --> 00:28:17,045
Speaker 1: So you know, you're exhausted by the time you go

635
00:28:17,085 --> 00:28:19,565
Speaker 1: to bed, And do you also find it tiring being

636
00:28:19,605 --> 00:28:21,525
Speaker 1: around him when he's low?

637
00:28:21,685 --> 00:28:21,965
Speaker 3: It was?

638
00:28:22,085 --> 00:28:23,965
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I mean, especially you know, as.

639
00:28:23,925 --> 00:28:26,445
Speaker 1: Much as you enjoy talking to yourself, Yeah, of course.

640
00:28:28,325 --> 00:28:31,165
Speaker 3: Lower. So I'm giving him nothing, so I've got a Yeah,

641
00:28:31,405 --> 00:28:32,365
Speaker 3: that's really exhausting.

642
00:28:32,765 --> 00:28:35,165
Speaker 2: It was, but I didn't see it as exhausting because

643
00:28:35,205 --> 00:28:37,125
Speaker 2: I saw it as trying to help, you know, my

644
00:28:37,165 --> 00:28:39,645
Speaker 2: best friend who needed help. There would be times me

645
00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:42,365
Speaker 2: or we were doing breakfast radio at the time, and

646
00:28:42,525 --> 00:28:45,525
Speaker 2: we would be talking up until one two am, and

647
00:28:45,565 --> 00:28:47,845
Speaker 2: it would just be asked, just talking back and forth.

648
00:28:47,885 --> 00:28:50,325
Speaker 2: And at the infancy of you know, Jimmy, you know,

649
00:28:50,445 --> 00:28:53,845
Speaker 2: starting his journey with mental health and depression and anxiety,

650
00:28:54,205 --> 00:28:55,805
Speaker 2: I was also at the start of my journey with

651
00:28:55,845 --> 00:28:58,085
Speaker 2: that as well, in understanding what it was doing to

652
00:28:58,125 --> 00:29:00,325
Speaker 2: my best friend. And I had no idea, like to

653
00:29:00,325 --> 00:29:02,485
Speaker 2: the point where I'd sit there and go, yeah, maybe

654
00:29:02,605 --> 00:29:05,285
Speaker 2: maybe just like need a sleep more or maybe you

655
00:29:05,325 --> 00:29:07,925
Speaker 2: need it. In my heart, I was like I want to,

656
00:29:07,965 --> 00:29:11,525
Speaker 2: you know, provide this guy with you know, like what

657
00:29:11,685 --> 00:29:14,685
Speaker 2: makes me happy. Maybe let's go get pizza. Did you

658
00:29:14,925 --> 00:29:18,325
Speaker 2: want pizza? It took me many, many years, and you know,

659
00:29:18,365 --> 00:29:20,805
Speaker 2: I now see a psychologist as well, to upskill myself

660
00:29:20,845 --> 00:29:23,925
Speaker 2: in certain different ways. But it took so much learning,

661
00:29:24,005 --> 00:29:26,405
Speaker 2: Like he lied on me for certain things. But I

662
00:29:26,525 --> 00:29:29,125
Speaker 2: have and absolutely still do rely on Jim for so

663
00:29:29,165 --> 00:29:32,525
Speaker 2: many different things. The main thing being because the thing

664
00:29:32,605 --> 00:29:35,165
Speaker 2: that Jim you know, still taught me and something that

665
00:29:35,165 --> 00:29:37,525
Speaker 2: has helped me grow as a person particularly, you know,

666
00:29:37,965 --> 00:29:39,885
Speaker 2: not just in work, but just in life, is to

667
00:29:40,525 --> 00:29:42,645
Speaker 2: stand up for myself a little bit. Like I mean,

668
00:29:42,685 --> 00:29:45,845
Speaker 2: I've always been a hustler, that's true, but I've never

669
00:29:45,885 --> 00:29:49,125
Speaker 2: been a fighter. When it comes to know more awkward

670
00:29:49,125 --> 00:29:51,925
Speaker 2: conversations like asking him for more money, gott want to

671
00:29:51,925 --> 00:29:54,805
Speaker 2: be like yeah, yeah, absolutely and people I've.

672
00:29:54,685 --> 00:29:56,525
Speaker 3: Just seen people be mean to him, just nasty.

673
00:29:56,605 --> 00:30:00,565
Speaker 2: Yeah, and take it. You learn to absolutely to bite

674
00:30:01,085 --> 00:30:02,765
Speaker 2: like the dog that you have in your first that

675
00:30:02,845 --> 00:30:07,085
Speaker 2: time drew blood twice, you're gone it again. People learned

676
00:30:07,805 --> 00:30:09,525
Speaker 2: something that that I had to learn and some that

677
00:30:09,605 --> 00:30:11,885
Speaker 2: Jim's taught me, and I feel like I'm slowly getting

678
00:30:11,925 --> 00:30:14,405
Speaker 2: better at it. Yeah, But was just to be okay

679
00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:19,205
Speaker 2: when I'm having a tougher conversation with particularly a superior

680
00:30:19,325 --> 00:30:21,845
Speaker 2: or asking for more money or better conditions or a

681
00:30:22,485 --> 00:30:26,925
Speaker 2: better team which will get one day who pays for parking?

682
00:30:29,365 --> 00:30:31,925
Speaker 2: And to be okay when, as Jim said, if somebody

683
00:30:32,285 --> 00:30:34,765
Speaker 2: you know doesn't shine to me in the way that

684
00:30:34,965 --> 00:30:37,205
Speaker 2: I would hope that they would shine to me. And

685
00:30:37,285 --> 00:30:39,365
Speaker 2: to deal with, you know, negative, I've always been okay

686
00:30:39,365 --> 00:30:41,845
Speaker 2: with negative feedback. But it's always been like when somebody

687
00:30:41,845 --> 00:30:43,525
Speaker 2: has angry yea.

688
00:30:43,765 --> 00:30:48,205
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jimmy, you talk about your journey with mental health,

689
00:30:48,685 --> 00:30:51,685
Speaker 1: it's usually not something that turns up later in life.

690
00:30:51,685 --> 00:30:54,365
Speaker 1: It's often the seeds are sown way before you realize it.

691
00:30:54,405 --> 00:30:55,645
Speaker 1: Speaking from personal.

692
00:30:55,285 --> 00:30:57,445
Speaker 3: Experience, wasn't it always been there?

693
00:30:57,525 --> 00:30:57,765
Speaker 2: Yeah?

694
00:30:57,845 --> 00:31:00,445
Speaker 1: Until I was in my thirties that I realized I'd

695
00:31:00,445 --> 00:31:03,965
Speaker 1: had anxiety in my whole life and was diagnosed. How

696
00:31:04,205 --> 00:31:05,125
Speaker 1: were you diagnosed?

697
00:31:05,525 --> 00:31:08,845
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely something I dealt with my entire life. For me, drugs,

698
00:31:08,885 --> 00:31:12,485
Speaker 3: alcohol was self medicating one of the hardest things. I mean,

699
00:31:12,525 --> 00:31:15,525
Speaker 3: I've spoken a lot about this to you and your audience,

700
00:31:15,925 --> 00:31:19,165
Speaker 3: so just try to articulate it well enough. I do

701
00:31:19,205 --> 00:31:21,805
Speaker 3: struggle with talking about it though. I find I have

702
00:31:21,845 --> 00:31:23,045
Speaker 3: to talk about it if I talk about in the

703
00:31:23,085 --> 00:31:25,045
Speaker 3: radio show when I'm in a better place than being

704
00:31:25,085 --> 00:31:27,005
Speaker 3: completely honest with you. I'm not a great place right now.

705
00:31:27,165 --> 00:31:28,205
Speaker 1: Do you want to not talk about it?

706
00:31:28,245 --> 00:31:31,285
Speaker 3: I like to talk about it, and I've been trying

707
00:31:31,285 --> 00:31:32,445
Speaker 3: to talk about it more when I'm not in a

708
00:31:32,445 --> 00:31:35,205
Speaker 3: good place because I feel like i can better explain

709
00:31:35,285 --> 00:31:37,405
Speaker 3: how I'm feeling and a lot of people don't do that.

710
00:31:37,485 --> 00:31:40,405
Speaker 3: And I've spoken about it because unfortunately, those people that

711
00:31:40,565 --> 00:31:43,605
Speaker 3: have depression anxiety take their own life. There's over eight

712
00:31:43,605 --> 00:31:45,405
Speaker 3: people a day that take their own life in Australia,

713
00:31:46,125 --> 00:31:48,045
Speaker 3: and unfortunately that I get to talk about it because

714
00:31:48,205 --> 00:31:50,285
Speaker 3: they take their life and it's someone, yeah, their family

715
00:31:50,285 --> 00:31:52,845
Speaker 3: and friend that talks about it. For me, a lot

716
00:31:52,845 --> 00:31:56,445
Speaker 3: of the drugs and alcohol was self sabotaging. Life was

717
00:31:56,485 --> 00:31:59,445
Speaker 3: good and I felt really shit, so I was like,

718
00:31:59,525 --> 00:32:02,325
Speaker 3: I need to go do something shit because when life

719
00:32:02,365 --> 00:32:05,245
Speaker 3: isn't great and I would have these down moments, I

720
00:32:05,285 --> 00:32:07,045
Speaker 3: was okay with it in a way because I'm like,

721
00:32:07,085 --> 00:32:08,885
Speaker 3: I'm not where I want to be professionally on my

722
00:32:08,925 --> 00:32:11,525
Speaker 3: relationship isn't great. There's a reason as to why I'm

723
00:32:11,525 --> 00:32:13,765
Speaker 3: feeling like this. So when I'm up and things are

724
00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:17,205
Speaker 3: flying and I feel really shitty, I'm like, gotta do

725
00:32:17,245 --> 00:32:19,605
Speaker 3: something shitty because this is just not sitting well with me.

726
00:32:19,805 --> 00:32:23,245
Speaker 1: That's such a revelation, and I imagine it's almost like

727
00:32:23,325 --> 00:32:25,685
Speaker 1: that lifestyle manifestation of self harm where it's like you

728
00:32:25,725 --> 00:32:27,765
Speaker 1: want your outsides to match your insides.

729
00:32:27,885 --> 00:32:30,365
Speaker 3: Yep, so that you had been something I'd been doing

730
00:32:30,365 --> 00:32:33,045
Speaker 3: a long time exercise as well. When we're doing the

731
00:32:33,045 --> 00:32:35,165
Speaker 3: breakfast radio show. I'd get up at three am every morning,

732
00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:37,045
Speaker 3: go to the gym first, but you know, I'd also

733
00:32:37,085 --> 00:32:39,325
Speaker 3: be out on a weekend bendering till you know, six, seven,

734
00:32:39,365 --> 00:32:40,125
Speaker 3: eight nine in the morning.

735
00:32:40,245 --> 00:32:42,965
Speaker 2: Used to run yourself into the ground, just yeah, bern like.

736
00:32:42,925 --> 00:32:45,125
Speaker 3: I do F forty five after the show. Then I'd

737
00:32:45,125 --> 00:32:46,485
Speaker 3: do Pilartis in the afternoon.

738
00:32:46,565 --> 00:32:49,125
Speaker 1: Like I was just looking for those endorphins, Yes.

739
00:32:49,125 --> 00:32:51,245
Speaker 3: Just chasing the high. That was what the you know,

740
00:32:51,725 --> 00:32:53,965
Speaker 3: destroying myself and then I needed to try and get

741
00:32:53,965 --> 00:32:57,725
Speaker 3: the endorphins back. Nathan and I were having conversations, you

742
00:32:57,765 --> 00:33:01,405
Speaker 3: know around the days are you okay, day November, all

743
00:33:01,405 --> 00:33:03,645
Speaker 3: these different things. I have the November taty on my

744
00:33:03,845 --> 00:33:06,285
Speaker 3: finger because it was a November conversation I was having

745
00:33:06,325 --> 00:33:08,405
Speaker 3: where we're sitting there, were chatting to someone and I

746
00:33:08,445 --> 00:33:10,605
Speaker 3: was like, I know what it was, just clicked them

747
00:33:10,605 --> 00:33:13,085
Speaker 3: with that. No, that's me, that's actually me. I am

748
00:33:13,205 --> 00:33:16,005
Speaker 3: depressed and I'm very anxious. So went to my GP,

749
00:33:16,565 --> 00:33:18,765
Speaker 3: spoke to him. He put me on a mental health plan,

750
00:33:18,965 --> 00:33:20,925
Speaker 3: got to see a psychologist. How old were you at

751
00:33:20,925 --> 00:33:24,885
Speaker 3: this stage, oh, in Hobot's a twenty six seven.

752
00:33:24,965 --> 00:33:27,485
Speaker 2: Remember when we had that, we had this conversation. I mean,

753
00:33:27,565 --> 00:33:29,205
Speaker 2: I know we've already spoken about it when we'd have

754
00:33:29,245 --> 00:33:32,045
Speaker 2: those you know, hour long conversations at home because I

755
00:33:32,085 --> 00:33:35,165
Speaker 2: didn't really know what he needed to hear. And it

756
00:33:35,205 --> 00:33:37,165
Speaker 2: got to the point where we were having these conversations

757
00:33:37,205 --> 00:33:39,485
Speaker 2: so frequently, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth,

758
00:33:39,525 --> 00:33:41,165
Speaker 2: where he's like, you know, maybe I need to sleep more,

759
00:33:41,205 --> 00:33:43,245
Speaker 2: maybe I need to, you know, go out more. Maybe

760
00:33:43,285 --> 00:33:44,765
Speaker 2: I need to jerk off more, maybe I need to

761
00:33:44,805 --> 00:33:46,965
Speaker 2: all these different things that we were trying to figure out.

762
00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:49,405
Speaker 2: And it got to the point where I said to you,

763
00:33:49,485 --> 00:33:51,605
Speaker 2: I was like, mate, I think you need to talk

764
00:33:51,645 --> 00:33:54,965
Speaker 2: to somebody who knows more. And that hurt me to say,

765
00:33:55,205 --> 00:33:57,765
Speaker 2: because I was like, I can't help him. I can't

766
00:33:57,805 --> 00:34:00,765
Speaker 2: help my best mate. I can't provide him what he needs.

767
00:34:00,885 --> 00:34:02,725
Speaker 1: But why would you ever think that you could?

768
00:34:02,805 --> 00:34:06,485
Speaker 2: Because I was so naive. I was so naive, and.

769
00:34:06,965 --> 00:34:10,365
Speaker 1: So neither of you had, like you did have experience

770
00:34:10,485 --> 00:34:12,925
Speaker 1: of in your family with your mates, no one that

771
00:34:13,085 --> 00:34:15,605
Speaker 1: knew going to therapy. It wasn't something that was even

772
00:34:15,685 --> 00:34:16,925
Speaker 1: on the radar with you guys.

773
00:34:17,085 --> 00:34:18,925
Speaker 3: No. I grew ub in going to India in the

774
00:34:18,925 --> 00:34:19,765
Speaker 3: country and you.

775
00:34:19,725 --> 00:34:21,245
Speaker 1: Know, not a big therapy town.

776
00:34:21,445 --> 00:34:25,845
Speaker 3: No, No, the opposite of progressive. And my parents are

777
00:34:25,885 --> 00:34:29,245
Speaker 3: still there. You didn't have any of these conversations. My

778
00:34:29,325 --> 00:34:31,845
Speaker 3: family never had a history of alcoholism as well. In

779
00:34:31,925 --> 00:34:35,005
Speaker 3: my family, there is depression in my family. A lot

780
00:34:35,005 --> 00:34:36,245
Speaker 3: of bad black dogs.

781
00:34:36,965 --> 00:34:38,765
Speaker 1: Your dad's dad took his life.

782
00:34:38,565 --> 00:34:42,845
Speaker 3: Right, that was nad Yeah, my dad's your.

783
00:34:42,765 --> 00:34:44,725
Speaker 1: Dad's dad took his own life. So what did you

784
00:34:44,765 --> 00:34:45,765
Speaker 1: know about depression?

785
00:34:45,885 --> 00:34:49,645
Speaker 2: Well, we never spoke about it. Never. Even to this day,

786
00:34:49,645 --> 00:34:52,005
Speaker 2: we still don't speak about it like it's something that

787
00:34:52,125 --> 00:34:54,525
Speaker 2: you know. It comes up every now and then, and

788
00:34:54,605 --> 00:34:57,885
Speaker 2: my all my family are so incredible, and they're an

789
00:34:57,885 --> 00:35:00,805
Speaker 2: extension of me. Jimmy fucking He finds it so funny

790
00:35:00,845 --> 00:35:03,325
Speaker 2: because when we're like, he's come over Christmas and stuff.

791
00:35:03,125 --> 00:35:05,485
Speaker 1: But just a whole house of golden retriever.

792
00:35:05,165 --> 00:35:08,525
Speaker 2: Is Mum, my dad, my sister and me, same person,

793
00:35:08,685 --> 00:35:11,125
Speaker 2: same person. And Dad's like this big, gentle giant. But

794
00:35:11,165 --> 00:35:13,765
Speaker 2: I could count on one hand how many times we've

795
00:35:13,805 --> 00:35:18,485
Speaker 2: spoken about Gerard his dad, no idea, Like, all I

796
00:35:18,525 --> 00:35:20,285
Speaker 2: know is that he put a gun in his mouth.

797
00:35:20,365 --> 00:35:20,925
Speaker 2: That's all I know.

798
00:35:22,125 --> 00:35:26,245
Speaker 3: Day's dad spoke to me at nace Bucks party, grabbed

799
00:35:26,245 --> 00:35:28,125
Speaker 3: me and we walked away and had a conversation and

800
00:35:29,525 --> 00:35:33,765
Speaker 3: it wasn't really an apology as such. And I don't

801
00:35:33,765 --> 00:35:38,205
Speaker 3: have children, and you know, we were raised by our parents,

802
00:35:38,445 --> 00:35:41,245
Speaker 3: and then we make decisions based upon that the stuff

803
00:35:41,245 --> 00:35:43,165
Speaker 3: that they did that was good, the stuff that they

804
00:35:43,205 --> 00:35:44,805
Speaker 3: did was bad. How I'm going to do it differently.

805
00:35:46,205 --> 00:35:49,205
Speaker 3: And he said to me, something awful happened to me

806
00:35:49,245 --> 00:35:51,525
Speaker 3: and happened to my father. And all I ever wanted

807
00:35:51,565 --> 00:35:54,645
Speaker 3: to do was just have my kids in the most positive,

808
00:35:55,125 --> 00:35:57,605
Speaker 3: uplifting household. And he's like, and I don't know if

809
00:35:57,605 --> 00:35:58,965
Speaker 3: that's been hard as well.

810
00:35:59,805 --> 00:36:02,885
Speaker 2: Which he did, by the way, like I'm so lucky

811
00:36:03,365 --> 00:36:03,565
Speaker 2: that I.

812
00:36:04,045 --> 00:36:06,485
Speaker 3: Could, and I hugged him and we were both sort

813
00:36:06,485 --> 00:36:09,285
Speaker 3: of teary and nice dad reaches out. That's a set.

814
00:36:09,725 --> 00:36:11,605
Speaker 3: It's hard when people reach out. Sometimes you're not a

815
00:36:11,605 --> 00:36:14,525
Speaker 3: great spot because sometimes you don't talk about it. But no,

816
00:36:14,725 --> 00:36:16,725
Speaker 3: Dad has reached out to me times to talk and

817
00:36:16,765 --> 00:36:18,605
Speaker 3: we could sit here, and you know, it's easy to

818
00:36:18,605 --> 00:36:21,365
Speaker 3: play those things about, like maybe Nate's dad has conversations

819
00:36:21,365 --> 00:36:23,725
Speaker 3: with him, But Nathle also saved me plenty of times,

820
00:36:23,765 --> 00:36:25,925
Speaker 3: and I was super low and he was just happy,

821
00:36:26,285 --> 00:36:29,045
Speaker 3: and sometimes you need that. You just need someone who's

822
00:36:29,125 --> 00:36:31,165
Speaker 3: just you know, we did have conversations, but there are

823
00:36:31,205 --> 00:36:32,765
Speaker 3: plenty of times where we didn't. You just need someone

824
00:36:32,765 --> 00:36:34,125
Speaker 3: to have a laugh and go for a walk or

825
00:36:34,245 --> 00:36:36,885
Speaker 3: sit next to Everyone can do it, and it's just

826
00:36:36,925 --> 00:36:39,205
Speaker 3: one of the worst things about you know, our brain,

827
00:36:39,445 --> 00:36:42,405
Speaker 3: like should have, could have would I've spent a lot

828
00:36:42,445 --> 00:36:44,485
Speaker 3: of time at Nace's house and with his family and

829
00:36:44,525 --> 00:36:47,325
Speaker 3: now the most positive people you'll ever meet. And sometimes

830
00:36:47,365 --> 00:36:50,205
Speaker 3: it's insufferable, Dad, but a lot of the time, like

831
00:36:50,485 --> 00:36:52,445
Speaker 3: you need it, Like I'll be honest, there are times

832
00:36:52,445 --> 00:36:55,365
Speaker 3: when you know I still get low and it's just

833
00:36:55,525 --> 00:36:58,125
Speaker 3: nice to be around my happy golden retriever. You ever

834
00:36:58,205 --> 00:37:00,325
Speaker 3: patted a dog, They're fucking lovely. Yeah.

835
00:37:00,405 --> 00:37:02,525
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this before because you know, obviously

836
00:37:02,565 --> 00:37:05,285
Speaker 2: we've been on this unbelievable you know, journey of highs

837
00:37:05,285 --> 00:37:08,245
Speaker 2: and lows with Jim and the struggles that you faced

838
00:37:08,285 --> 00:37:10,325
Speaker 2: and the bravery that he show on air to talk

839
00:37:10,365 --> 00:37:13,005
Speaker 2: about this stuff, which is it's just so important, like

840
00:37:13,045 --> 00:37:16,085
Speaker 2: it is so important, and the messages we get and

841
00:37:15,725 --> 00:37:18,485
Speaker 2: the emails that we get when Jim opens up about

842
00:37:18,525 --> 00:37:21,805
Speaker 2: that is it's unbelievable. And people sharing their stories in

843
00:37:21,845 --> 00:37:23,485
Speaker 2: a way that you know that these people have never

844
00:37:23,525 --> 00:37:26,765
Speaker 2: said this before, and they're emailing two complete fucking strains.

845
00:37:25,965 --> 00:37:27,805
Speaker 3: It's wild.

846
00:37:28,965 --> 00:37:30,525
Speaker 1: I'm jumping in for a second because I want to

847
00:37:30,525 --> 00:37:33,565
Speaker 1: play you a piece of audio from Jimmy and Nath's

848
00:37:33,885 --> 00:37:38,485
Speaker 1: radio show. Recently, Jimmy spoke about the suicide of professional

849
00:37:38,485 --> 00:37:41,245
Speaker 1: golf for a guy called Grayson Murray. And here's a

850
00:37:41,285 --> 00:37:43,325
Speaker 1: portion of what Jimmy shared on air.

851
00:37:43,965 --> 00:37:47,005
Speaker 3: You might be asking yourself, why is Jimmy talking about

852
00:37:47,005 --> 00:37:49,485
Speaker 3: this to start the show? This didn't even happen here

853
00:37:49,485 --> 00:37:53,405
Speaker 3: in Australia. To answer, honestly, I don't know. I didn't

854
00:37:53,445 --> 00:37:56,405
Speaker 3: know Grayson. Maybe it's because I love golf. Maybe it's

855
00:37:56,485 --> 00:38:00,485
Speaker 3: because I suffer from depression and anxiety myself. But if

856
00:38:00,525 --> 00:38:03,925
Speaker 3: I'm being really honest, it's because my biggest fear is

857
00:38:04,365 --> 00:38:06,805
Speaker 3: one day I will take my own life. Eight point

858
00:38:06,845 --> 00:38:11,005
Speaker 3: six Australians die every day by side, that's over eight

859
00:38:11,085 --> 00:38:15,525
Speaker 3: Australians every day, seventy five percent of those who take

860
00:38:15,565 --> 00:38:18,965
Speaker 3: their own life for mail and suicide is the leading

861
00:38:19,005 --> 00:38:22,325
Speaker 3: cause of death for Australians between the ages of fifteen

862
00:38:22,845 --> 00:38:26,805
Speaker 3: and forty four. So when you ask yourself, why Isimy

863
00:38:26,885 --> 00:38:30,205
Speaker 3: talking about this, it's because it needs to stop.

864
00:38:30,765 --> 00:38:33,685
Speaker 1: Oh you can really hear the anger and the fear

865
00:38:33,765 --> 00:38:37,085
Speaker 1: and the sorrow in Jimmy's voice. And this video went viral.

866
00:38:37,165 --> 00:38:40,685
Speaker 1: It had an undeniable impact, reached millions of people, which

867
00:38:40,725 --> 00:38:43,365
Speaker 1: is amazing. But for Jimmy, of course, there's a cost

868
00:38:43,405 --> 00:38:46,525
Speaker 1: to sharing so much of himself with the public. Let's

869
00:38:46,525 --> 00:38:47,125
Speaker 1: go back to our.

870
00:38:47,005 --> 00:38:52,365
Speaker 3: Conversation Grayceome Murray videos getting three four million views, that's

871
00:38:52,405 --> 00:38:56,325
Speaker 3: just on Instagram. That's tough. I've been getting stopped in

872
00:38:56,365 --> 00:38:59,005
Speaker 3: the street more. You know, the gym people come up

873
00:38:59,005 --> 00:39:01,405
Speaker 3: to me coffee shop, and that's, like I said, when

874
00:39:01,405 --> 00:39:04,405
Speaker 3: I'm already struggling, it's I probably don't want to do anymore.

875
00:39:04,685 --> 00:39:06,405
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm happy to obviously have this conversation, you

876
00:39:06,525 --> 00:39:07,925
Speaker 3: know better in terms of the radio show and that,

877
00:39:08,085 --> 00:39:09,645
Speaker 3: like and the socials, I'm like, I just need a

878
00:39:09,685 --> 00:39:12,965
Speaker 3: break from it sometimes because I hope that I help people,

879
00:39:13,005 --> 00:39:15,685
Speaker 3: but it's everyone. People just come up to you and

880
00:39:15,685 --> 00:39:18,965
Speaker 3: they don't they don't know anyone. They don't they've suffering

881
00:39:19,005 --> 00:39:22,325
Speaker 3: themselves with depression, anxiety or some sort of mental health issue,

882
00:39:22,365 --> 00:39:24,485
Speaker 3: or they've known someone who's suffered and someone that's sadly

883
00:39:24,485 --> 00:39:26,045
Speaker 3: taking their ownenough. Like I said, it's over eight people

884
00:39:26,045 --> 00:39:28,805
Speaker 3: a day that's still doing that in his country. They

885
00:39:28,845 --> 00:39:31,605
Speaker 3: finally can see someone and they can be like, I

886
00:39:31,645 --> 00:39:32,285
Speaker 3: want to talk to you.

887
00:39:32,765 --> 00:39:34,965
Speaker 2: When Jim opens up about that. What I was saying is,

888
00:39:34,965 --> 00:39:36,725
Speaker 2: you know, obviously they message him, but a lot of

889
00:39:36,725 --> 00:39:39,165
Speaker 2: the time they call me and they ask how easy

890
00:39:39,285 --> 00:39:41,285
Speaker 2: can we do anything for him? Is he okay? And

891
00:39:41,325 --> 00:39:44,485
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Two weeks ago, a close

892
00:39:44,485 --> 00:39:46,805
Speaker 2: friend of ours she called me and I was like, oh,

893
00:39:46,885 --> 00:39:48,525
Speaker 2: she's gonna ask about Jim, like you know, all that

894
00:39:48,565 --> 00:39:50,445
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. I was like, hey, how are you,

895
00:39:50,485 --> 00:39:53,125
Speaker 2: and she goes, hey, I just want to make sure

896
00:39:53,125 --> 00:39:56,165
Speaker 2: you're okay. How are you? I just cried. I just

897
00:39:56,565 --> 00:39:59,125
Speaker 2: balled my eyes and I don't know why. I didn't

898
00:39:59,125 --> 00:40:00,965
Speaker 2: know why, and she goes, you're okay, and I was like,

899
00:40:01,085 --> 00:40:04,005
Speaker 2: no one asked me that before, and you know, when

900
00:40:04,005 --> 00:40:05,605
Speaker 2: you didn't know you needed to be asked a question

901
00:40:05,685 --> 00:40:08,205
Speaker 2: until you're asked that question. And I was like, I've

902
00:40:08,205 --> 00:40:10,925
Speaker 2: been so used to, you know, looking after my best

903
00:40:10,965 --> 00:40:14,405
Speaker 2: mate and making sure he's okay, and of course my

904
00:40:14,445 --> 00:40:17,525
Speaker 2: wife as well, and you know, as dad was being

905
00:40:17,725 --> 00:40:21,645
Speaker 2: like a caretaker and trying to offer as much as

906
00:40:21,685 --> 00:40:24,645
Speaker 2: myself to the people around me as possible as somebody

907
00:40:24,645 --> 00:40:26,925
Speaker 2: who has a you know, no internal monologue and kind

908
00:40:26,925 --> 00:40:29,805
Speaker 2: of just says things all the time. I'd never check in,

909
00:40:30,085 --> 00:40:31,605
Speaker 2: never with myself. Never.

910
00:40:31,805 --> 00:40:34,085
Speaker 3: I will say I'm proud of Nathan that, you know,

911
00:40:34,245 --> 00:40:37,805
Speaker 3: recently started seeing a psychologist. And it's something I've literally

912
00:40:38,805 --> 00:40:41,205
Speaker 3: spoken about a lot, is that it's not just people

913
00:40:41,205 --> 00:40:44,085
Speaker 3: who are you severely depressed or anxious. It's one of

914
00:40:44,085 --> 00:40:46,685
Speaker 3: the most wonderful things to chat to someone completely outside

915
00:40:46,685 --> 00:40:47,645
Speaker 3: of your own circle in your.

916
00:40:47,605 --> 00:40:50,325
Speaker 1: Own how anyone gets through life with you don't need

917
00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:52,445
Speaker 1: to have a diagnosed mental illness to it.

918
00:40:52,525 --> 00:40:54,645
Speaker 2: You know, anyone listening, I would employ you, even if

919
00:40:54,925 --> 00:40:57,085
Speaker 2: in your own head, if you're like, you know, I'm fine,

920
00:40:57,725 --> 00:41:00,125
Speaker 2: go and talk to somebody, even if you are. Because

921
00:41:00,165 --> 00:41:02,565
Speaker 2: I went in there and I sat down with my psychologist,

922
00:41:02,565 --> 00:41:05,605
Speaker 2: who her name's Jane, and she's fucking unbelievable. And I

923
00:41:05,645 --> 00:41:07,765
Speaker 2: sat down with her and she goes, why are you here?

924
00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:11,125
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know, and she has

925
00:41:11,405 --> 00:41:13,725
Speaker 2: just unlocked so many different things, and I think I

926
00:41:13,765 --> 00:41:16,845
Speaker 2: eventually gave the answer was like, I want to improve myself.

927
00:41:17,125 --> 00:41:17,285
Speaker 3: You know.

928
00:41:17,325 --> 00:41:18,725
Speaker 2: I want to be a better best friend and a

929
00:41:18,725 --> 00:41:20,525
Speaker 2: better co host. I want to be a better husband.

930
00:41:20,765 --> 00:41:22,485
Speaker 2: I want to be a better brother to my sister,

931
00:41:22,565 --> 00:41:24,325
Speaker 2: a son to my you know, my mum and dad.

932
00:41:24,365 --> 00:41:26,445
Speaker 2: I want to I want to be better. I don't

933
00:41:26,485 --> 00:41:28,565
Speaker 2: know how it can be better. That's your job, Jane,

934
00:41:28,685 --> 00:41:29,365
Speaker 2: make me better.

935
00:41:30,845 --> 00:41:31,285
Speaker 1: I love it.

936
00:41:31,285 --> 00:41:33,405
Speaker 2: And Jim and I again, we've we've spoken at length

937
00:41:33,405 --> 00:41:34,605
Speaker 2: about this as well. And I would, you know, I

938
00:41:34,605 --> 00:41:38,125
Speaker 2: would implore as somebody who ironically ten years ago told

939
00:41:38,205 --> 00:41:39,885
Speaker 2: him to go and see somebody. It took me a

940
00:41:39,885 --> 00:41:42,125
Speaker 2: long time to do what I was saying to other people.

941
00:41:42,165 --> 00:41:43,605
Speaker 1: I think you've got to do it in your thirties

942
00:41:43,605 --> 00:41:47,245
Speaker 1: so that you can enjoy your forties. Yeah, that's my experience.

943
00:41:47,565 --> 00:41:49,925
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about women. Yeah, something that

944
00:41:49,965 --> 00:41:52,245
Speaker 1: there used to be and very much. This is why

945
00:41:52,765 --> 00:41:55,125
Speaker 1: I'm a bit about radio is that it used to

946
00:41:55,165 --> 00:41:57,845
Speaker 1: just be such a sexist. It's still such a male

947
00:41:57,925 --> 00:42:01,365
Speaker 1: dominated part of the industry, which is why podcasts have

948
00:42:01,445 --> 00:42:04,685
Speaker 1: just been such a wonderful place for women to flourish,

949
00:42:04,805 --> 00:42:08,645
Speaker 1: because every gatekeeper in radio tends to be a man,

950
00:42:09,085 --> 00:42:11,725
Speaker 1: and most of the hosts tend to be guys. Now,

951
00:42:12,325 --> 00:42:16,845
Speaker 1: what's interesting to me is that you guys are very blokey,

952
00:42:16,885 --> 00:42:19,685
Speaker 1: but you are real feminists. I don't know if you

953
00:42:19,725 --> 00:42:21,165
Speaker 1: would identify as feminists.

954
00:42:21,285 --> 00:42:21,725
Speaker 3: Yeah.

955
00:42:21,805 --> 00:42:24,685
Speaker 2: Ironically, we've got our ratings the other day and our

956
00:42:24,765 --> 00:42:28,045
Speaker 2: biggest audience is the twenty five to fifty five female.

957
00:42:28,125 --> 00:42:29,045
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is.

958
00:42:30,565 --> 00:42:34,205
Speaker 3: I mean, we make content choices, as I mentioned earlier

959
00:42:34,245 --> 00:42:36,205
Speaker 3: on the show in the hours, and but again we're

960
00:42:36,205 --> 00:42:38,965
Speaker 3: not women, so any content even like, I'm not an

961
00:42:38,965 --> 00:42:42,605
Speaker 3: older person, I don't have kids, but you you, I've

962
00:42:42,645 --> 00:42:45,445
Speaker 3: always tried to have as many conversations as I can

963
00:42:45,485 --> 00:42:47,845
Speaker 3: with other people, so you learn about other people. I

964
00:42:47,885 --> 00:42:49,565
Speaker 3: can't walk on your shoes. I don't know who you am,

965
00:42:49,645 --> 00:42:51,525
Speaker 3: but I can sit there and I can listen. I

966
00:42:51,525 --> 00:42:54,325
Speaker 3: can understand, or at least hope to what makes you tick,

967
00:42:54,365 --> 00:42:56,805
Speaker 3: what you like, what you don't like, so as to

968
00:42:56,845 --> 00:42:58,925
Speaker 3: why they do. I mean, we again, we hope for

969
00:42:58,965 --> 00:43:01,325
Speaker 3: everyone to listen. But you know it's nice. I think

970
00:43:01,765 --> 00:43:03,485
Speaker 3: you know, we are feminists. You know, we try to

971
00:43:03,485 --> 00:43:07,285
Speaker 3: have conversations. Unfortunately, men tend to only listen to men.

972
00:43:07,685 --> 00:43:10,125
Speaker 3: And you know that's why Nathan and I, as two

973
00:43:10,125 --> 00:43:11,805
Speaker 3: straight white men and our privilege, we need to be

974
00:43:11,885 --> 00:43:15,085
Speaker 3: having conversations that are difficult to have so that other

975
00:43:15,125 --> 00:43:17,805
Speaker 3: men listen and go, oh, maybe you're talking about it.

976
00:43:17,805 --> 00:43:20,205
Speaker 3: It might be And I think that's what also women

977
00:43:20,285 --> 00:43:20,805
Speaker 3: respond to.

978
00:43:20,925 --> 00:43:22,645
Speaker 2: You know, we've touched on it a bit so far

979
00:43:22,845 --> 00:43:25,965
Speaker 2: since we've been chatting to But we're so lucky because

980
00:43:26,765 --> 00:43:29,525
Speaker 2: we have some phenomenal women in our life who continue

981
00:43:29,565 --> 00:43:32,125
Speaker 2: to shape who we are. And you know, we make

982
00:43:32,205 --> 00:43:35,885
Speaker 2: jokes on air and stuff, but they're they're better than us.

983
00:43:36,285 --> 00:43:38,805
Speaker 2: They are all better than us, Like my wife Meg,

984
00:43:39,045 --> 00:43:41,565
Speaker 2: Jim and I we many times on air, like she

985
00:43:41,765 --> 00:43:45,605
Speaker 2: is just a better person. She's funnier, she's smarter. And

986
00:43:45,645 --> 00:43:47,165
Speaker 2: I said this in my wedding vowls, and Jim knows

987
00:43:47,205 --> 00:43:48,925
Speaker 2: because we're standing right next to me. I said something

988
00:43:48,925 --> 00:43:51,605
Speaker 2: along the lines of, like, you know, people have mentors

989
00:43:51,645 --> 00:43:53,365
Speaker 2: in their life that they look up to. They might

990
00:43:53,405 --> 00:43:56,125
Speaker 2: be in their industry. They might be a professional sports

991
00:43:56,285 --> 00:43:58,965
Speaker 2: star or Lebron James, or if you're in comedy, you

992
00:43:59,045 --> 00:44:02,525
Speaker 2: Hannah Gadsby or someone like that. Not only do I

993
00:44:02,565 --> 00:44:05,005
Speaker 2: have a mentor in my life, it's somebody that I

994
00:44:05,045 --> 00:44:07,085
Speaker 2: got to meet. It's somebody that I see every day,

995
00:44:07,125 --> 00:44:09,285
Speaker 2: and it's somebody that I'm about to marry and have sex.

996
00:44:09,685 --> 00:44:11,845
Speaker 2: And well, I mean, I hope fingers crossed.

997
00:44:11,885 --> 00:44:14,045
Speaker 1: It's interesting what you say because it's also about being

998
00:44:14,045 --> 00:44:16,245
Speaker 1: a role model for boys, because I'm the mother of

999
00:44:16,245 --> 00:44:18,525
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old and also a twenty seven year

1000
00:44:18,565 --> 00:44:22,085
Speaker 1: old son and an eighteen year old daughter. But in

1001
00:44:22,165 --> 00:44:26,165
Speaker 1: terms of role models for young men, Andrew Tait is

1002
00:44:26,845 --> 00:44:29,885
Speaker 1: front center. Not for my son, but he's certainly dominant.

1003
00:44:30,165 --> 00:44:33,165
Speaker 1: And you wouldn't find a teenage boy who didn't know

1004
00:44:33,205 --> 00:44:36,645
Speaker 1: his name and who hasn't seen his content. What's your

1005
00:44:36,725 --> 00:44:37,645
Speaker 1: view about that?

1006
00:44:39,365 --> 00:44:42,805
Speaker 2: It's repulsive, really, and there's a reason that name has

1007
00:44:42,845 --> 00:44:44,165
Speaker 2: never even been said on our show.

1008
00:44:44,245 --> 00:44:46,125
Speaker 1: Why do you think he's so popular and how do

1009
00:44:46,205 --> 00:44:47,045
Speaker 1: we counteract it?

1010
00:44:48,165 --> 00:44:52,245
Speaker 3: I think it's about conversations because there is a.

1011
00:44:52,285 --> 00:44:54,245
Speaker 2: Large systematic change in education.

1012
00:44:54,405 --> 00:44:56,525
Speaker 3: But there is a large part of me that you know,

1013
00:44:56,685 --> 00:44:59,925
Speaker 3: I open social media and I see comments around Andrew

1014
00:44:59,925 --> 00:45:02,645
Speaker 3: Tate and kids following him in these pages about you know,

1015
00:45:02,685 --> 00:45:04,845
Speaker 3: how to be a real man and what you're to do,

1016
00:45:05,165 --> 00:45:07,565
Speaker 3: whether that be on Twitter or x what it's called

1017
00:45:07,565 --> 00:45:10,685
Speaker 3: TikTok Instagram. Right exists, I would say, as someone to

1018
00:45:10,685 --> 00:45:13,205
Speaker 3: grow up in a small country town that existed, right,

1019
00:45:13,245 --> 00:45:18,125
Speaker 3: there were these misogynistic views about how we viewed women

1020
00:45:18,205 --> 00:45:21,165
Speaker 3: and looked at them, and I definitely held some of

1021
00:45:21,205 --> 00:45:24,325
Speaker 3: those views because the men in my life and around

1022
00:45:24,365 --> 00:45:25,685
Speaker 3: me had those views.

1023
00:45:25,405 --> 00:45:27,285
Speaker 1: And you hadn't been exposed to other ones.

1024
00:45:27,045 --> 00:45:29,965
Speaker 3: So you'd see that. The reason that it changed for

1025
00:45:30,085 --> 00:45:32,605
Speaker 3: me was traveling was a big part. You know, moving

1026
00:45:32,645 --> 00:45:34,605
Speaker 3: to Brisbane, which probably doesn't sound like much, but then

1027
00:45:34,645 --> 00:45:37,445
Speaker 3: moving overseas as well and traveling. I was always interested

1028
00:45:37,445 --> 00:45:39,925
Speaker 3: in having conversations and meeting people, and if I would

1029
00:45:39,965 --> 00:45:41,885
Speaker 3: say something or make a joke at the expense of

1030
00:45:41,885 --> 00:45:43,885
Speaker 3: a woman or someone. There were people around me that

1031
00:45:44,125 --> 00:45:47,245
Speaker 3: held me accountable and they would go hey. They wouldn't

1032
00:45:47,285 --> 00:45:50,125
Speaker 3: say don't do it. They would always say why are

1033
00:45:50,165 --> 00:45:53,085
Speaker 3: you doing that? Why are you saying that? And it

1034
00:45:53,125 --> 00:45:56,005
Speaker 3: was the way they phrased that that I was like, oh, no,

1035
00:45:56,165 --> 00:45:58,725
Speaker 3: isn't this funny? And they're like is it? And then

1036
00:45:58,765 --> 00:46:01,565
Speaker 3: I'd like ruminate on it and you'd be like, no,

1037
00:46:01,645 --> 00:46:02,005
Speaker 3: it's not.

1038
00:46:02,125 --> 00:46:05,565
Speaker 1: Because like the old sexist humor jokes, all of that

1039
00:46:05,645 --> 00:46:07,525
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, you had to unlearn that.

1040
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:11,925
Speaker 3: Yes, right, So that tells me that where we are now,

1041
00:46:12,285 --> 00:46:14,365
Speaker 3: as someone who's unlearned it is that these kids are

1042
00:46:14,525 --> 00:46:17,645
Speaker 3: learning it from social media, right, That must be where

1043
00:46:17,645 --> 00:46:19,445
Speaker 3: they're learning it or the men in their life somewhere.

1044
00:46:19,525 --> 00:46:21,765
Speaker 1: It also shows me that they're capable of unlearning it.

1045
00:46:21,805 --> 00:46:24,325
Speaker 3: That keeps correct right, So that where to me it

1046
00:46:24,405 --> 00:46:26,725
Speaker 3: comes back to there is some confusion as to they're

1047
00:46:26,765 --> 00:46:28,645
Speaker 3: learning it somewhere, So we need to have conversations. So

1048
00:46:28,685 --> 00:46:32,565
Speaker 3: we need to get into schools, social media wherever they

1049
00:46:32,565 --> 00:46:35,245
Speaker 3: are at a young enough age to have a conversation

1050
00:46:35,605 --> 00:46:39,405
Speaker 3: and not you know, this sounds fucked but at times

1051
00:46:39,405 --> 00:46:43,045
Speaker 3: when you yell at a man going on. But if

1052
00:46:43,045 --> 00:46:44,645
Speaker 3: we're at a part of something and someone says or

1053
00:46:44,685 --> 00:46:46,245
Speaker 3: does something, hey, mate, what are you doing there? Why

1054
00:46:46,405 --> 00:46:48,685
Speaker 3: why are you saying that? Right that? Don't say that,

1055
00:46:48,685 --> 00:46:52,445
Speaker 3: that tends to lead to a conversation and positive change.

1056
00:46:52,485 --> 00:46:54,445
Speaker 2: We had We had a conversation me or with a

1057
00:46:54,725 --> 00:46:56,845
Speaker 2: psychologist who came on the other day. I'm going to

1058
00:46:56,845 --> 00:46:58,565
Speaker 2: get this wrong, but she did say something along the

1059
00:46:58,605 --> 00:47:02,245
Speaker 2: lines of, you know, with the unbelievably horrible things that

1060
00:47:02,285 --> 00:47:05,245
Speaker 2: are happening to women in this country and largely around

1061
00:47:05,285 --> 00:47:07,245
Speaker 2: the world, you know, there is a growth in the

1062
00:47:07,285 --> 00:47:10,405
Speaker 2: amount of men who are acknowledging that this is an issue,

1063
00:47:10,405 --> 00:47:12,965
Speaker 2: that there's an issue that needs to be addressed. A

1064
00:47:13,005 --> 00:47:15,365
Speaker 2: lot of these people going, yes, there's an issue. What

1065
00:47:15,445 --> 00:47:19,365
Speaker 2: they aren't doing is realizing that it's their issue. They're saying, yes,

1066
00:47:19,405 --> 00:47:21,925
Speaker 2: there's an issue, but I'm not going it's nothing to

1067
00:47:21,925 --> 00:47:22,325
Speaker 2: do with that.

1068
00:47:22,325 --> 00:47:23,005
Speaker 3: That's my issue.

1069
00:47:23,285 --> 00:47:25,645
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, holy shit, that house is burning. God,

1070
00:47:25,765 --> 00:47:29,045
Speaker 2: that house is burning. But I didn't put I'm well, it's.

1071
00:47:29,485 --> 00:47:29,885
Speaker 1: That's a shame.

1072
00:47:31,165 --> 00:47:33,245
Speaker 2: But I can see it, I can see I acknowledge it,

1073
00:47:33,405 --> 00:47:36,245
Speaker 2: and they think just by acknowledging it. Their job's done.

1074
00:47:36,245 --> 00:47:39,125
Speaker 2: They go, oh, it's like that bullshit thing when people

1075
00:47:39,125 --> 00:47:41,005
Speaker 2: go not all men, not all men are part of

1076
00:47:41,005 --> 00:47:42,565
Speaker 2: the problem, but all men can be a part of

1077
00:47:42,565 --> 00:47:46,445
Speaker 2: the solution. Education, calling out things, calling out things when

1078
00:47:46,445 --> 00:47:47,885
Speaker 2: they see it. And I read a thing the other

1079
00:47:47,965 --> 00:47:49,885
Speaker 2: day on you know, the role that men can play

1080
00:47:49,925 --> 00:47:54,165
Speaker 2: in lowering the horribleness of domestic violence and people being like,

1081
00:47:54,365 --> 00:47:56,405
Speaker 2: you know, you can use humor to be like, oh, mate,

1082
00:47:56,405 --> 00:47:59,525
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be saying that. That's not enough. It's not

1083
00:47:59,645 --> 00:48:03,805
Speaker 2: fucking enough. Because we talk in jokes, men talking jokes

1084
00:48:03,845 --> 00:48:05,805
Speaker 2: all the time, and because we talk in jokes and

1085
00:48:05,805 --> 00:48:08,085
Speaker 2: we're operating jokes all the time, we can't differentiate when

1086
00:48:08,405 --> 00:48:10,245
Speaker 2: you know, the joke I'm telling he's actually has a

1087
00:48:10,285 --> 00:48:13,885
Speaker 2: serious underlying meaning here. So it's not enough, it's not through.

1088
00:48:13,965 --> 00:48:16,925
Speaker 2: It doesn't cut through because that's how we operate constantly

1089
00:48:17,045 --> 00:48:18,845
Speaker 2: all the time. So if I were to sit there

1090
00:48:18,885 --> 00:48:22,805
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, you shouldn't say that, you'd be like, oh, yeah, right. Anyway,

1091
00:48:22,965 --> 00:48:24,005
Speaker 2: it's not enough to do that.

1092
00:48:24,245 --> 00:48:26,285
Speaker 1: So Julia Gillard spoke on the weekend, She did an

1093
00:48:26,325 --> 00:48:28,845
Speaker 1: interview and she said that they've feend so many strides

1094
00:48:28,845 --> 00:48:31,565
Speaker 1: forward for women in the last few decades and generations

1095
00:48:32,325 --> 00:48:35,125
Speaker 1: that there's a group of disaffected young men who are

1096
00:48:35,165 --> 00:48:38,085
Speaker 1: gravitating to Andrew Tate, who think that it's been at

1097
00:48:38,085 --> 00:48:40,645
Speaker 1: their expense and that things have gone too far and

1098
00:48:40,725 --> 00:48:44,205
Speaker 1: women have got too much. And she said, no one's

1099
00:48:44,285 --> 00:48:47,765
Speaker 1: really asked these young boys and men, are you okay?

1100
00:48:48,565 --> 00:48:52,325
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know why, because blokes hate sitting in uncomfortability,

1101
00:48:52,605 --> 00:48:56,525
Speaker 2: They hate having that uncomfortable conversation and recognizing that, yes,

1102
00:48:56,605 --> 00:48:58,605
Speaker 2: there's an issue, but they're not connecting it to being like,

1103
00:48:58,645 --> 00:49:00,845
Speaker 2: this is not a women's issue. This is not a

1104
00:49:00,845 --> 00:49:02,965
Speaker 2: women's issue at all. This is our issue. This is

1105
00:49:02,965 --> 00:49:05,645
Speaker 2: a men's issue. And until we bridge that gap and

1106
00:49:05,885 --> 00:49:08,205
Speaker 2: understand that that issue is not just an issue, it's

1107
00:49:08,205 --> 00:49:11,205
Speaker 2: our issue, we're not going to have any change until

1108
00:49:11,245 --> 00:49:13,485
Speaker 2: that bridge has been built between the two things.

1109
00:49:13,725 --> 00:49:16,045
Speaker 3: When I was talking about the mental health stuff the

1110
00:49:16,085 --> 00:49:18,165
Speaker 3: other day, and I was putting it through the lens

1111
00:49:18,405 --> 00:49:20,885
Speaker 3: as a man and hopefully speaking to men, because again

1112
00:49:20,885 --> 00:49:22,965
Speaker 3: I mentioned those numbers and it's also seventy five percent

1113
00:49:22,965 --> 00:49:24,845
Speaker 3: of people who take their own life in Australia are men.

1114
00:49:25,845 --> 00:49:28,245
Speaker 3: A big thing, right is in a lot of these organizations.

1115
00:49:28,285 --> 00:49:30,645
Speaker 3: You know, we're talking and talking, but I think it's

1116
00:49:30,925 --> 00:49:33,685
Speaker 3: talking and listening. So it's the same thing with you know,

1117
00:49:33,965 --> 00:49:36,325
Speaker 3: young men, and what they're saying is like it has

1118
00:49:36,365 --> 00:49:38,765
Speaker 3: to be a conversation. And a lot of the things

1119
00:49:38,805 --> 00:49:43,085
Speaker 3: I've discovered in moving around the country, living overseas, living

1120
00:49:43,125 --> 00:49:47,445
Speaker 3: here is that men talk in statements. It's like, fuck them,

1121
00:49:47,605 --> 00:49:50,765
Speaker 3: fuck this, I did that. This is what happened. Yeah

1122
00:49:50,805 --> 00:49:53,485
Speaker 3: I did this thing. We don't really am I right,

1123
00:49:53,525 --> 00:49:55,685
Speaker 3: we don't, yeah, don't. We don't really converse. Like you'll

1124
00:49:55,685 --> 00:49:58,165
Speaker 3: sit at a pub even if you're watching the football

1125
00:49:58,165 --> 00:50:00,765
Speaker 3: and say, oh that guy was offside. I can't leave

1126
00:50:00,805 --> 00:50:04,845
Speaker 3: that call. There isn't enough actual conversation. We're not sitting

1127
00:50:04,845 --> 00:50:07,085
Speaker 3: here going, you know, asking a young man, Okay, how

1128
00:50:07,085 --> 00:50:09,925
Speaker 3: are they feeling? Why are they saying? Like, we don't talk.

1129
00:50:09,965 --> 00:50:12,885
Speaker 3: We just say things at each other and then sote leave.

1130
00:50:13,005 --> 00:50:14,885
Speaker 2: Happens all the time, to the point where you know,

1131
00:50:15,125 --> 00:50:17,925
Speaker 2: we have a really close friend of ours who recently

1132
00:50:17,965 --> 00:50:20,485
Speaker 2: went through a pretty bad breakup and then we went

1133
00:50:20,485 --> 00:50:22,165
Speaker 2: to the parb as all mates and all that kind

1134
00:50:22,165 --> 00:50:23,805
Speaker 2: of stuff, and we were there for halla at five

1135
00:50:23,885 --> 00:50:26,525
Speaker 2: six hours I come home and Meg turns to me

1136
00:50:26,605 --> 00:50:28,885
Speaker 2: and she goes, how is he? And you would have

1137
00:50:28,925 --> 00:50:29,925
Speaker 2: heard this before. How is he?

1138
00:50:30,045 --> 00:50:30,125
Speaker 1: Like?

1139
00:50:30,605 --> 00:50:31,165
Speaker 3: Has it gone?

1140
00:50:31,365 --> 00:50:34,005
Speaker 2: And I go, oh, yeah, he's fine. The rooster's got up,

1141
00:50:34,005 --> 00:50:36,245
Speaker 2: so he's stock and he goes, you know, but what

1142
00:50:36,285 --> 00:50:38,125
Speaker 2: about the relationship? Did you ask him how he was?

1143
00:50:38,605 --> 00:50:40,805
Speaker 1: And as I moved out, they still talking whatever.

1144
00:50:40,925 --> 00:50:42,525
Speaker 2: And the best bit was I did ask him how

1145
00:50:42,565 --> 00:50:44,645
Speaker 2: he was. He goes, yeah, good, He goes great, awesome,

1146
00:50:44,685 --> 00:50:45,285
Speaker 2: what do you want to drink?

1147
00:50:45,325 --> 00:50:47,605
Speaker 3: But also that yeah, there is we don't.

1148
00:50:47,445 --> 00:50:49,325
Speaker 2: Want to sit in the young comport you okay? Yeah,

1149
00:50:51,045 --> 00:50:51,365
Speaker 2: moving on?

1150
00:50:51,845 --> 00:50:54,325
Speaker 3: There is a box tick now, especially I think with

1151
00:50:54,365 --> 00:50:56,645
Speaker 3: the movement around talking about it right and it's okay.

1152
00:50:57,565 --> 00:51:00,485
Speaker 3: I've had bosses and Nathan Noses, one of our bosses

1153
00:51:00,525 --> 00:51:05,165
Speaker 3: came up to me and after I had been open

1154
00:51:05,245 --> 00:51:07,365
Speaker 3: about likely I've got two stories into the shreds, one

1155
00:51:07,805 --> 00:51:10,445
Speaker 3: both on Aeoka, they both different. After I had been

1156
00:51:10,485 --> 00:51:13,085
Speaker 3: open about my depression anxiety, one boss came up and

1157
00:51:13,245 --> 00:51:15,445
Speaker 3: slapped me on the back and he goes, better, ask you, mate,

1158
00:51:15,485 --> 00:51:18,525
Speaker 3: you're the depressed one. You're okay, finger guns? Give me

1159
00:51:18,565 --> 00:51:19,085
Speaker 3: finger guns.

1160
00:51:19,125 --> 00:51:19,805
Speaker 2: Sitting next to him.

1161
00:51:19,845 --> 00:51:22,885
Speaker 3: Let this go finger guns anyway.

1162
00:51:22,845 --> 00:51:25,645
Speaker 2: A finger gunner. Wow, it was a real cowboy.

1163
00:51:25,845 --> 00:51:29,165
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, real wiggle. Tried to handle that

1164
00:51:29,205 --> 00:51:31,685
Speaker 3: the best I could. Another boss came up. She looked

1165
00:51:31,725 --> 00:51:36,405
Speaker 3: at me, She's like caging me. Yess, how's the pointing

1166
00:51:36,405 --> 00:51:38,485
Speaker 3: to her head?

1167
00:51:39,405 --> 00:51:43,605
Speaker 2: Looks like depression.

1168
00:51:43,325 --> 00:51:44,965
Speaker 3: Again, you know. I mean you can extend it further

1169
00:51:45,005 --> 00:51:47,245
Speaker 3: than just man, you know, but it's there is a

1170
00:51:47,245 --> 00:51:49,045
Speaker 3: box sick now. So you ask someone if they're okay,

1171
00:51:49,205 --> 00:51:50,605
Speaker 3: even they said, and then it's done and you can

1172
00:51:50,645 --> 00:51:52,325
Speaker 3: move on. But I do think a large part of

1173
00:51:52,365 --> 00:51:53,805
Speaker 3: that is, yeah, a lot of the conversations and then

1174
00:51:53,965 --> 00:51:56,645
Speaker 3: you'll be right without a mate in.

1175
00:51:56,605 --> 00:51:59,405
Speaker 1: A better way for them to handle that, apart from

1176
00:51:59,485 --> 00:52:03,005
Speaker 1: in the completely opposite way. But literally, if you've got

1177
00:52:03,045 --> 00:52:05,485
Speaker 1: someone and you want to check in without doing the

1178
00:52:05,525 --> 00:52:07,405
Speaker 1: head till hey.

1179
00:52:07,125 --> 00:52:09,685
Speaker 3: The talking is I guess asking the question is part that.

1180
00:52:09,725 --> 00:52:11,605
Speaker 3: So you've got to converse. So it's like, you know,

1181
00:52:11,645 --> 00:52:15,965
Speaker 3: how are you feeling. I've said that to men previously,

1182
00:52:16,085 --> 00:52:17,685
Speaker 3: and they have asked it, and I've seen it in

1183
00:52:17,725 --> 00:52:20,805
Speaker 3: a setting. But then they're already thinking of the next

1184
00:52:20,805 --> 00:52:22,405
Speaker 3: thing to say. They're like, I'm going to ask them

1185
00:52:22,445 --> 00:52:23,925
Speaker 3: how they are I'm going to ask them, you know

1186
00:52:24,125 --> 00:52:27,365
Speaker 3: how she are you moving out? But they haven't listened

1187
00:52:27,405 --> 00:52:30,765
Speaker 3: to anything any follow up. No, it's just I'm prepping

1188
00:52:30,805 --> 00:52:33,285
Speaker 3: the next question, prepping the next question. So that's why

1189
00:52:33,285 --> 00:52:36,125
Speaker 3: when I talk about I try and add the thing

1190
00:52:36,165 --> 00:52:39,005
Speaker 3: of like it's talking, but it's listening. You have to

1191
00:52:39,045 --> 00:52:42,565
Speaker 3: be listening to what they're saying, because again, men don't

1192
00:52:42,605 --> 00:52:45,525
Speaker 3: often get the opportunity. And I guess I'm privileged because

1193
00:52:45,525 --> 00:52:47,285
Speaker 3: when I talk about it, people come up to me

1194
00:52:47,445 --> 00:52:48,805
Speaker 3: and they will just open.

1195
00:52:48,645 --> 00:52:50,285
Speaker 1: Up right privilege.

1196
00:52:50,685 --> 00:52:53,125
Speaker 3: But people will want to talk about it. They will.

1197
00:52:53,205 --> 00:52:55,725
Speaker 3: They just no one's asking them. They're just waiting for

1198
00:52:55,765 --> 00:52:58,045
Speaker 3: that opportunity. And I'll bet you that there have been

1199
00:52:58,125 --> 00:53:01,285
Speaker 3: people that have inspired maybe what I've said or anyone said,

1200
00:53:01,285 --> 00:53:03,405
Speaker 3: and they've asked a question, but they just have not listened.

1201
00:53:03,485 --> 00:53:05,445
Speaker 3: And that one has said something about their not well

1202
00:53:05,525 --> 00:53:07,525
Speaker 3: or they need help, but they're already on to the

1203
00:53:07,525 --> 00:53:10,165
Speaker 3: next question. And that could have been a way to go, oh,

1204
00:53:10,245 --> 00:53:14,085
Speaker 3: if you're not great, gp mental health plan, let's check in,

1205
00:53:14,165 --> 00:53:15,765
Speaker 3: let's hit another date to have a coffee.

1206
00:53:15,805 --> 00:53:17,645
Speaker 2: It's one thing we've noticed, you know, with our show,

1207
00:53:17,765 --> 00:53:19,605
Speaker 2: is you know one that creates joy and a bit

1208
00:53:19,605 --> 00:53:22,485
Speaker 2: of escape. But when we have those conversations, you know,

1209
00:53:22,645 --> 00:53:25,965
Speaker 2: be about women and DV or mental health, like, that's

1210
00:53:26,005 --> 00:53:28,685
Speaker 2: when the real cut through is. If we just constantly

1211
00:53:28,725 --> 00:53:31,365
Speaker 2: bang on about it every single day, every single hour,

1212
00:53:31,565 --> 00:53:34,765
Speaker 2: there's no cut through because it's the exact same thing exactly.

1213
00:53:34,805 --> 00:53:37,085
Speaker 2: But when we do it, people listen, which is why

1214
00:53:37,125 --> 00:53:39,765
Speaker 2: we get such an incredible reaction from people. I mean, yes,

1215
00:53:39,805 --> 00:53:41,565
Speaker 2: a lot of those messages that we get are quite

1216
00:53:41,605 --> 00:53:43,925
Speaker 2: heavy with people opening up, and you know, we've had

1217
00:53:43,965 --> 00:53:45,765
Speaker 2: training since on how to deal with that, and we

1218
00:53:45,845 --> 00:53:48,485
Speaker 2: have you know, some pretty full on conversations about what's

1219
00:53:48,525 --> 00:53:50,565
Speaker 2: the response here, what do we need to do. But

1220
00:53:50,685 --> 00:53:53,765
Speaker 2: that's one thing that we've noticed with our platform and

1221
00:53:53,845 --> 00:53:56,645
Speaker 2: why we still think, you know, radio is alive and

1222
00:53:56,805 --> 00:53:59,685
Speaker 2: can have that impact on people. It's when we do

1223
00:53:59,765 --> 00:54:02,205
Speaker 2: things like that that really cut through. Like we'll get

1224
00:54:02,245 --> 00:54:03,965
Speaker 2: millions of views on our jokes and all that kind

1225
00:54:03,965 --> 00:54:06,365
Speaker 2: of stuff and people go, aha, good one, share it whatever.

1226
00:54:06,805 --> 00:54:09,205
Speaker 2: But people will write me a paragraph when we have

1227
00:54:09,405 --> 00:54:12,245
Speaker 2: conversations about this stuff. That's cut through. In my opinion.

1228
00:54:12,325 --> 00:54:14,805
Speaker 3: You asked earlier, you know, about our values, and I

1229
00:54:14,925 --> 00:54:18,685
Speaker 3: said they've changed and that is educating is a huge part.

1230
00:54:18,725 --> 00:54:20,805
Speaker 3: It's the value that Nathan I have is educating people

1231
00:54:20,845 --> 00:54:23,365
Speaker 3: now and understanding that, you know, we can use our

1232
00:54:23,405 --> 00:54:25,965
Speaker 3: platform for good. We can bring everyone in with the

1233
00:54:26,045 --> 00:54:28,205
Speaker 3: humor and the escape isn't them in there, And then

1234
00:54:28,845 --> 00:54:32,005
Speaker 3: we've got people in our audience that would not have

1235
00:54:32,125 --> 00:54:35,485
Speaker 3: these conversations. And to be honest, they never think they're

1236
00:54:35,525 --> 00:54:37,965
Speaker 3: coming because we're these fun guys who are doing all

1237
00:54:37,965 --> 00:54:39,765
Speaker 3: this fun stuff. But when we do it like it

1238
00:54:39,885 --> 00:54:41,725
Speaker 3: hits and then you get millions of views on something

1239
00:54:41,805 --> 00:54:44,325
Speaker 3: and I always need to remove myself because that's not

1240
00:54:44,365 --> 00:54:46,525
Speaker 3: a measurement of success. But when it comes about these

1241
00:54:46,565 --> 00:54:49,045
Speaker 3: more serious topics and you're getting millions of views, it

1242
00:54:49,045 --> 00:54:51,445
Speaker 3: does warm heart. People are talking about it, people are

1243
00:54:51,485 --> 00:54:51,885
Speaker 3: sharing it.

1244
00:54:51,965 --> 00:54:53,765
Speaker 2: We do that on purpose, by the way. We don't

1245
00:54:53,845 --> 00:54:56,245
Speaker 2: tell them like radio, it's all about hooks and teasers

1246
00:54:56,245 --> 00:54:57,685
Speaker 2: and this is coming up and coming up.

1247
00:54:57,765 --> 00:54:58,845
Speaker 3: Jimmy's doing depression.

1248
00:54:59,845 --> 00:55:02,405
Speaker 2: We're giving away your TV by the way, Yes, who's

1249
00:55:02,405 --> 00:55:08,445
Speaker 2: anxious again? We've got to sting depressed. You know, we

1250
00:55:08,645 --> 00:55:11,765
Speaker 2: purposely don't do that, and I know it's kind of

1251
00:55:11,765 --> 00:55:13,645
Speaker 2: a stealth bit of it. Yeah, it's a bit.

1252
00:55:15,685 --> 00:55:17,445
Speaker 3: We'll do it after joking about it. He was like

1253
00:55:17,805 --> 00:55:19,245
Speaker 3: we were doing breakfast and he was like sort of

1254
00:55:19,285 --> 00:55:20,765
Speaker 3: talking about like, you know, you should hook that through

1255
00:55:20,765 --> 00:55:22,805
Speaker 3: the show. You're going to do this big chat about depression.

1256
00:55:24,445 --> 00:55:24,925
Speaker 3: That makes me.

1257
00:55:26,605 --> 00:55:29,885
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hook that, Christ And we'll strategically

1258
00:55:29,925 --> 00:55:32,365
Speaker 2: put it after like a big prize giveaway or dad

1259
00:55:32,445 --> 00:55:34,765
Speaker 2: jokes or you know, a regular segment that people know

1260
00:55:34,845 --> 00:55:37,725
Speaker 2: when are a part of, so we can fucking blindside

1261
00:55:37,725 --> 00:55:40,565
Speaker 2: them and be like we know you're here, so now

1262
00:55:40,765 --> 00:55:41,725
Speaker 2: you're going to listen to this.

1263
00:55:42,445 --> 00:55:49,245
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Nath, thank you so much. I'm a new fan. Okay,

1264
00:55:49,285 --> 00:55:52,805
Speaker 1: it's time for a debrief. Look, I didn't know really

1265
00:55:52,845 --> 00:55:55,965
Speaker 1: anything about Jimmy and Nath. Someone suggested that I interview them,

1266
00:55:56,445 --> 00:55:58,485
Speaker 1: and it's kind of not my world.

1267
00:55:58,525 --> 00:55:58,765
Speaker 3: There.

1268
00:55:58,765 --> 00:56:01,765
Speaker 1: You know, two men in their early thirties and I

1269
00:56:01,765 --> 00:56:05,325
Speaker 1: don't listen to radio, so I kind of wasn't aware

1270
00:56:05,365 --> 00:56:05,685
Speaker 1: of them.

1271
00:56:06,525 --> 00:56:07,285
Speaker 2: But I'm a bit.

1272
00:56:07,165 --> 00:56:09,045
Speaker 1: In love after that. I mean, I'm in love with

1273
00:56:09,085 --> 00:56:13,605
Speaker 1: their friendship. Because when you are marinating in the news

1274
00:56:13,645 --> 00:56:16,765
Speaker 1: cycle like I have to as part of my job,

1275
00:56:16,845 --> 00:56:20,165
Speaker 1: and look, you can't really miss the news stories that

1276
00:56:20,205 --> 00:56:23,045
Speaker 1: we've all been seeing over the last few months and

1277
00:56:23,205 --> 00:56:27,325
Speaker 1: years particularly, there's a new story every day, or more

1278
00:56:27,365 --> 00:56:30,485
Speaker 1: than one every day, about men doing something awful, and

1279
00:56:30,885 --> 00:56:33,565
Speaker 1: it's easy to get pretty cynical and pretty bitter and

1280
00:56:33,645 --> 00:56:38,685
Speaker 1: pretty angry. I don't know. I just love being reminded,

1281
00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:41,085
Speaker 1: not that I need reminding, because I've got so many

1282
00:56:41,085 --> 00:56:43,525
Speaker 1: wonderful men in my life, but I don't know the

1283
00:56:43,565 --> 00:56:46,885
Speaker 1: way they speak, the role models that they are for

1284
00:56:46,965 --> 00:56:49,645
Speaker 1: a new generation of young men. I think it's also

1285
00:56:49,765 --> 00:56:52,045
Speaker 1: no accident that so many of their listeners are women.

1286
00:56:52,685 --> 00:56:56,725
Speaker 1: There's something about the friendship and the camaraderie of men

1287
00:56:57,165 --> 00:57:00,685
Speaker 1: when there is no sexism there whatsoever. And it's interesting

1288
00:57:00,725 --> 00:57:05,525
Speaker 1: because Hamish and Andy are the same. There's no undercurrent

1289
00:57:05,965 --> 00:57:08,405
Speaker 1: of any kind. There's not a tinge, there's not a

1290
00:57:08,405 --> 00:57:12,725
Speaker 1: whisper of any sexism. And I know that sounds probably

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Speaker 1: don't know, I grew up with Benny Hill, how about

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Speaker 1: you let Alone, Andrew Tate, etc. It's just so lovely

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Speaker 1: and it's so refreshing and so inspiring. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: listen to Jimmy and nath and the way they talk

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Speaker 1: about their friendship and their creative partnership, and their mental

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Speaker 1: health and their struggles and their support for one another,

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Speaker 1: and how they feel about the women in their life

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Speaker 1: and not feel really hopeful. I am definitely going to

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Speaker 1: be cheering them on from this point, and I hope

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Speaker 1: that more people, especially men, continue to learn and listen

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Speaker 1: to them and from them. Hop up a link to

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Speaker 1: their podcast in the show notes, where we'll also share

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Speaker 1: some links to resources in case this episode brought up

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Speaker 1: anything difficult for you around mental health or suicide. Take

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Speaker 1: Jimmy and Nate's advice and please get the help and

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Speaker 1: the support that you need. I know I do all

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Speaker 1: the time. Therapy is the best thing that I ever did.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Jimmy and even Naith is now a convert.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and if that conversation left you wanting more,

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Speaker 1: you are in luck. We have more than five hundred

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Speaker 1: incredible conversations in our archive for you to binge. We've

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Speaker 1: been doing this show for ten years now, so we

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Speaker 1: have some really amazing conversations. Wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: which is right here because you're listening to me, go

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Speaker 1: find them, get them in your ears. Love you see soon.

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Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Naima Brown, with sound production

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Speaker 1: by Leah Porges and Tom Lyon.