Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mother and Mere podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to mum mea out loud What women are actually
Speaker 2: talking about on Monday, the fifteenth of September. I am
Speaker 2: Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 1: I'm me and Friedman because hollywaen Right is sick.
Speaker 3: I'm Amelia Last.
Speaker 2: And here's what's on our agenda for today. The assassination
Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk in broad daylight, the aftermath and what
Speaker 2: it all means.
Speaker 3: Plus Prince Harry went back to the UK last week
Speaker 3: and it has changed everything.
Speaker 4: And what is a mayor walk? And can doing one
Speaker 4: transform my mood? But first we have to talk about
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk. I just want to obviously start by saying
Speaker 4: how horrifying it was to hear, and a lot of
Speaker 4: out louders will have seen or will have had people
Speaker 4: in their household, friends and family and kids who saw
Speaker 4: the whole footage of a thirty one year old man
Speaker 4: being a sated in front of thousands of people in
Speaker 4: broad daylight while he was talking on a college campus.
Speaker 4: And I didn't actually know who Charlie Kirk was, and
Speaker 4: so I was trying to I felt like I was
Speaker 4: playing catch up because I was like, what just happened?
Speaker 1: Who is this guy?
Speaker 4: And my teenagers were like, you don't know who Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk is?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No.
Speaker 4: He was very familiar to young people because he was
Speaker 4: all over TikTok and had started this movement where he
Speaker 4: sort of goes on college campuses and debates people. But
Speaker 4: I didn't know who he was, and so all I
Speaker 4: was reeling from was the shock. And my kids friends
Speaker 4: were messaging them telling them to be careful on social
Speaker 4: media because some of their friends had seen the full video.
Speaker 4: I've got friends with primary school age children who saw
Speaker 4: it because within you know, seemingly minutes of the attack,
Speaker 4: it was circulating everywhere. Every second reel you would see
Speaker 4: on TikTok and every second Instagram post was this incredibly
Speaker 4: violent footage of a man being murdered.
Speaker 1: Essentially, how did you guys feel when you heard?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I think I had two reactions. It was really upsetting
Speaker 3: to think about this man who has two young children
Speaker 3: being killed and seeing that footage is something that is
Speaker 3: really hard to take. But then the second thing that
Speaker 3: was why it really hit me is because it's an
Speaker 3: act of political violence. And remember when Trump was almost
Speaker 3: assassinated a year ago, there was an attempt on his life.
Speaker 3: When I heard that news, I burst into tears because
Speaker 3: there's something so uniquely disturbing about the idea of someone
Speaker 3: being killed for what they say, and it makes us
Speaker 3: all feel unsafe.
Speaker 2: I think I agree with you. I found it really shocking.
Speaker 2: I found the way that the events transpired sort of
Speaker 2: in real time from the other side of the world,
Speaker 2: quite unusual, in that we had the President of the
Speaker 2: United States declaring him dead before anyone else knew that
Speaker 2: was the case. We'd seen the footage, people didn't know
Speaker 2: if he died or not.
Speaker 4: And then by the time I came to the story,
Speaker 4: it was all you must have been up earlier than
Speaker 4: I was here.
Speaker 1: You did know who Charlie Kirk was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was very familiar with Charlie Kirk. He's been
Speaker 2: all over my Instagram and TikTok for twelve months. As
Speaker 2: you say, he's thirty one. He's widely credited as the
Speaker 2: guy who is very much responsible for getting the younger
Speaker 2: vote to galvanize around Trump. There is a very convincing
Speaker 2: argument that Trump would not have been elected if it
Speaker 2: weren't for child.
Speaker 3: I did not know that he was that significant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so Charlie Kirk, just to give you a
Speaker 2: little bit more background, he was not simply a conservative influencer,
Speaker 2: like he was in with Donald Trump and in with
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's family. So do you remember the false reports
Speaker 2: about eating family pets Haitians eating family pets around the
Speaker 2: time of one of the debates.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: The dog.
Speaker 2: Yes, So Charlie Kirk was instrumental in perpetuating that myth,
Speaker 2: Like he was so on the Internet that he had
Speaker 2: the power to basically go, this is the story we're
Speaker 2: going to tell, and he handle he was.
Speaker 3: Which was a completely untrue.
Speaker 2: Story, completely untrue. So he basically had a handle on
Speaker 2: the young conservative movement and in terms of getting Trump
Speaker 2: in office in both twenty sixteen and twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: there's a through line with Charlie Kirk, like he started
Speaker 2: up in twenty twelve and was like, let's make conservative
Speaker 2: politics cool again. Let's go and own the Libs. And
Speaker 2: he was able to galvanize this whole generation of people
Speaker 2: and be like, we're for real American values. Hahna. Social
Speaker 2: media in a way that was very new, and this
Speaker 2: debate platform that we were talking about a few months
Speaker 2: ago he popularized that lately. Yes, he was the guy.
Speaker 2: That's what Turning Point USA is, which he co founded.
Speaker 2: It was about educating young people on conservative values.
Speaker 3: So can I ask, because you say that he's been
Speaker 3: in your algorithm for a year now, I guess that's
Speaker 3: because you're watching these videos. That's why he keeps popping up.
Speaker 3: And what is it about him that inspired such strong connections?
Speaker 2: I would always stop because I found it so infuriating.
Speaker 2: And it was because it was like he thought that
Speaker 2: because he spoke really fast and used lots of words
Speaker 2: in the same vein as someone like Ben Shapiro, who
Speaker 2: is the facts, don't care about your feelings conservative guy,
Speaker 2: that he was owning someone and showing out the hypocrisy
Speaker 2: and the weakness of their argument. But really he was
Speaker 2: just talking really really loud over the top of people.
Speaker 2: To me, it was such an indictment on the state
Speaker 2: of debate. Like, I found it incredibly depressing. But he
Speaker 2: also came up in a lot of conversations I have
Speaker 2: with friends because every now and then they'd go, ah,
Speaker 2: did he kind of make a good point about this thing?
Speaker 2: Because he could be very, very persuasive, but he was
Speaker 2: arguing for really dangerous, really upsetting political views. The idea
Speaker 2: that he would be assassinated for speaking, you know, his
Speaker 2: beliefs was just I can't think of another word other
Speaker 2: than shocking. And a lot of people felt the need
Speaker 2: to say this, but like, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: agreed with a word that Charlie Kirk has said, and
Speaker 2: I've actually seen a lot of them. But that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that political violence or that someone losing their life
Speaker 2: for what they're saying is allowed. And I think I
Speaker 2: found it. There were two sides. There was the holding
Speaker 2: him up as a martyr, and then there was barely
Speaker 2: the news had dropped. I don't even think his kids
Speaker 2: would have barely known what had happened to him yet,
Speaker 2: and there was glee. It was such a uniquely Internet moment.
Speaker 4: What made me so shocked was the butt I disagree
Speaker 4: with you. I don't think there was two sides. I
Speaker 4: think there was probably three, because there was the people
Speaker 4: who were just like, this is just terrible, and I
Speaker 4: would put myself in that camp.
Speaker 2: I think those people didn't post, well.
Speaker 4: No, but why do you have to post? This is
Speaker 4: what made me feel so heartsick. Apart from the human
Speaker 4: heartsick story of a father with two children, age one
Speaker 4: and three, and a wife who it's unclear whether she
Speaker 4: was there or she wasn't there, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: It's been televised globally essentially via the internet. Firstly, why
Speaker 4: does everybody have to come on social media and make
Speaker 4: a statement like what is that about? Secondly, the people
Speaker 4: who come on and say this is bad, but I
Speaker 4: didn't agree with what he said, or but sometimes violence
Speaker 4: is necessary. I saw some people say but sometimes violence
Speaker 4: is necessary. These are respectable mainstream commentators. You know why
Speaker 4: when is violence necessary?
Speaker 2: You Know what I notice more than anything this weekend
Speaker 2: is that there's something really interesting about who people are
Speaker 2: talking to. The extremes are talking to each other, and
Speaker 2: if you're not exposed to one extreme, it looks like
Speaker 2: someone is staring at the sky, shaking their fist, saying
Speaker 2: something that doesn't make sense. It's like, why is the
Speaker 2: butt necessary? The reason why people went that way is
Speaker 2: because on the other side you saw the reaction of
Speaker 2: conservatives in the US. It was as though this man
Speaker 2: was some kind of messiah, and he was someone who
Speaker 2: lacked empathy throughout his life, and he was someone who
Speaker 2: defended gun ownership, and he was someone who had said,
Speaker 2: we're going to have a few regret.
Speaker 1: About if this matters.
Speaker 4: Can we just agree that we don't kill people if
Speaker 4: we disagree with what they stand for, or what they say,
Speaker 4: or what they believe. My exhaustion and my despair at
Speaker 4: the last few days has been, you know exactly what's
Speaker 4: going to happen. Some people are going to celebrate it,
Speaker 4: then there's going to be opinions written, and then there'll
Speaker 4: be backlash to the opinions and hot takes of hot takes,
Speaker 4: and everyone will try to cancel each other if you
Speaker 4: say something, what should you say? And it's like, firstly,
Speaker 4: you don't need to say anything, and secondly, you can
Speaker 4: just say this is tragic. Can we all agree that
Speaker 4: we don't kill people that we disagree with.
Speaker 3: This reminds me a little bit mea of when school
Speaker 3: shootings happen and we're told that we're not allowed to
Speaker 3: politicize them. And now it's not the time to talk
Speaker 3: about gun control because that would be somehow desecrating the
Speaker 3: memory of these children who were gunned down by weapons
Speaker 3: that should never have been available to ordinary citizens.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I've also thought about so much
Speaker 4: is that this culture And we've noticed as people who've
Speaker 4: been online for you know, getting close to two decades
Speaker 4: now and writing opinion at the beginning, you know, in
Speaker 4: the twenty tens, early twenty tens, people would say I
Speaker 4: disagree with you. You know, there would be opinion sites and
Speaker 4: other people would have opinions. It then became over the
Speaker 4: last sort of five to ten years, you need to
Speaker 4: delete it, take it down, apologize for what you said,
Speaker 4: because this feeling of having an opinion out there that
Speaker 4: you didn't agree with became so intolerable to a generation.
Speaker 4: And it was part of cancel culture as well. Right,
Speaker 4: So someone said something you didn't agree with. It's not
Speaker 4: I disagree with this person and you debate them or
Speaker 4: you choose not to engage with them anymore. It's they
Speaker 4: need to be punished, they need to be canceled or
Speaker 4: wiped out.
Speaker 3: But that's coming from both sides of me. I agree,
Speaker 3: I agree this is Happeningvative forces in the US are
Speaker 3: gathering to make lists of everyone who said things about this.
Speaker 3: I agree, they didn't think.
Speaker 4: Were And to me, it's not a left and right.
Speaker 4: To me, it's our culture. Well, of the Internet of
Speaker 4: if I disagree.
Speaker 1: With you, you.
Speaker 4: Can't exist, and that is a through line to assosciation,
Speaker 4: which is terrifying.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that they might be disparate issues,
Speaker 2: because what I worry about is we look at this
Speaker 2: and go, oh, it's it's left and right. It's the
Speaker 2: progressives on the internet have lost their mind. Hang on,
Speaker 2: we know very little about the person who did this.
Speaker 2: One man shot that bullet, and he will have had
Speaker 2: a motive and an upbringing and was very pro guns
Speaker 2: and all of that. And I do not like holding
Speaker 2: a whole political spectrum to account for an act of
Speaker 2: very specific political violence. You're allowed to go online and
Speaker 2: criticize someone, absolutely, go for it. I mean, Charlie Kirk
Speaker 2: did that, as was he's right. But political violence, we
Speaker 2: know begets political violence. I think that's what's scary.
Speaker 3: And I think that you said something before, Jesse, that
Speaker 3: we need to talk more about, which is that this
Speaker 3: was a very online event. And Mia, you directed my
Speaker 3: attention to an Instagram post from doctor Raymond Nichols. He wrote,
Speaker 3: you were never meant to witness someone's final breath and
Speaker 3: then laugh at a TikTok. You weren't built for that.
Speaker 3: Your soul wasn't designed to hold that kind of weight
Speaker 3: and then move on like it's nothing.
Speaker 2: I think that part of the shock. This sounds sort
Speaker 2: of ridiculous, but I thought about how many videos had
Speaker 2: popped up of Charlie Kirk, and often I watched the
Speaker 2: whole thing. I was trying to understand it. That man's
Speaker 2: face had become very familiar to me. To watch that
Speaker 2: man die was an incredibly confronting thing because of the
Speaker 2: level of familiarity I suppose so many of us had,
Speaker 2: and the reaction. You can look at the reaction from
Speaker 2: all sides. I heard some journalists talking about it, and
Speaker 2: journalists knew him as a man. They'd sat with him,
Speaker 2: and they traveled with him, and he was a flesh
Speaker 2: and blood person who some people liked, some people didn't.
Speaker 2: And the fact that even after he died, it was
Speaker 2: like for some people that wasn't an I just went
Speaker 2: the man isn't breathing anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, don't you think that's a result of dehumanizing
Speaker 4: people in the first place.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And in terms of the political violence, begetting political violence,
Speaker 2: people are scared.
Speaker 3: I think it's also about the fact that people are.
Speaker 2: Scared, terrified. I mean if I was getting up on
Speaker 2: stage and that sounds ridiculous, but I think that the
Speaker 2: media class is kind of having this moment of if
Speaker 2: we live in a culture where you can't sit on
Speaker 2: stage and say what you think, we'll.
Speaker 1: Look at Salmon Rushti.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't that long ago that someone tried to
Speaker 4: murder him.
Speaker 3: But also the building up of him as a martyr,
Speaker 3: which is happening right now. I mean people are scared,
Speaker 3: Like ordinary Americans who don't speak into microphones for a
Speaker 3: living are scared because when you build someone up as
Speaker 3: a martyr and then you say that the martyr has
Speaker 3: been killed, it leaves you to wonder what actions will
Speaker 3: be taken as a result of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to your point before, Amelia, about this happening
Speaker 2: across the spectrum. Three months ago, Melissa Hortman, who was
Speaker 2: a Democrat and her husband was shot and killed in
Speaker 2: their home. Now President Donald Trump refused to say her name.
Speaker 2: In the past, when Jay k was assassinated, when Martin
Speaker 2: Luther King was assassinated, there was at least this sense
Speaker 2: of like we can stand here as a political class,
Speaker 2: hold hands and say we disavow this across the spectrum,
Speaker 2: this does not happen. But now you get the but
Speaker 2: what about thing because a moment like this happens and
Speaker 2: you have Elon Musk right, the left is the party
Speaker 2: of murder. Like that's just not I agreeful.
Speaker 4: And I think back to what you said Jesse before
Speaker 4: about there were two groups of people. This all comes
Speaker 4: down to the algorithm and the internet. I think that
Speaker 4: the reason it can feel so demoralizing being online and
Speaker 4: make you despair is that you do only see the
Speaker 4: extremes and they are not symbolic of how most people
Speaker 4: feel about anything.
Speaker 3: And the problem was, we see the extremes. We saw
Speaker 3: this happen, and maybe that's why it was such a
Speaker 3: big deal. Do you think, because in some ways this
Speaker 3: feels like a bigger deal than when the Trump assassination
Speaker 3: attempt happen.
Speaker 4: The reason I heard someone say that it felt like
Speaker 4: a bigger deal, and I'm not American and I wouldn't know,
Speaker 4: but maybe you can speak to this, Amelia, is that
Speaker 4: there is a tragically a blueprint for attempted assassinations or
Speaker 4: assassinations of American presidents. You know, there was JFK, there
Speaker 4: was the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, the attempted assassination
Speaker 4: of Trump. That's why it was like, it was shocking,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't surprising, the attempted assassination of Trump. Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 4: As far as I understand, Jesse, he wasn't a political candidate.
Speaker 1: He didn't hold office.
Speaker 4: He had no actual impact on the leavers of government,
Speaker 4: unlike someone say, even Anelon Musk, who was actually in
Speaker 4: there doing things.
Speaker 1: At the behatal.
Speaker 4: He was powerful, but he was influential exactly. He was influential.
Speaker 4: And the people that said this is what made my
Speaker 4: blood curdle is that the people who were like, sometimes
Speaker 4: violence is necessary, and I'm like, what, so, it's necessary
Speaker 4: if you disagree with the person. But then if someone
Speaker 4: uses that justification because they disagree with you to be
Speaker 4: violent against you, Suddenly, oh no, it's only necessary when
Speaker 4: I disagree with the person's views, and that that's not
Speaker 4: a democracy.
Speaker 3: That's You've christiz for me as to why this is
Speaker 3: such a big deal. Why we're talking about this on
Speaker 3: a Monday when it happened on a Thursday on the
Speaker 3: other side of the world, And it's because he was
Speaker 3: famous and was killed because of his words. He wasn't
Speaker 3: in office, he didn't have actions to criticize or condemn.
Speaker 3: He just had words.
Speaker 2: This is why we protest, and this is why we speak,
Speaker 2: and this is why we debate, and we do all
Speaker 2: of those things. And in the course of a debate,
Speaker 2: you can entirely lack empathy. And I want to sort
Speaker 2: of acknowledge space for that, because Charlie Kirk did dehumanize
Speaker 2: a lot of people, he did hurt a lot of people.
Speaker 2: But just because he lacked empathy doesn't mean that in
Speaker 2: the wake of his death we need to like, that's
Speaker 2: not how I.
Speaker 4: Know unless you believe that words of violence. And then
Speaker 4: the logic all through line is that, well, if someone's
Speaker 4: been violent to me with their words, I can be
Speaker 4: violent to them with a gun.
Speaker 1: And that's a terrifying.
Speaker 3: Reality in a moment, how Harry's trip to the UK
Speaker 3: has suddenly changed everything. The Duchess of Sussex's jams have
Speaker 3: been arriving on us doorsteps this week and last week.
Speaker 1: I have an unpopular opinion. I think they're too cheap.
Speaker 4: How much are they They're nine dollars and I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it's seven dollars postage.
Speaker 1: But like with all this fuss, I reckon.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't have bought them, but I think
Speaker 4: she could have sold them for like thirty dollars.
Speaker 2: I completely agree. Agree, is there expensive postage?
Speaker 1: Seven dollars?
Speaker 3: Apparently there was some twine and some dried lavender on it, so.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was just a little bit.
Speaker 2: It makes it film mass produced. I completely agree. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard this or even if
Speaker 2: it made it into the cup for Friday's episode, but
Speaker 2: you know, we spoke to a tower card reader on
Speaker 2: Friday and one of our questions was whether Holly will
Speaker 2: ever get her hands on a jam.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of it available now.
Speaker 2: I don't know how hard she get in Australia Maya,
Speaker 2: and she said she will get the jam, but maybe
Speaker 2: not the jam.
Speaker 3: That she wanted. It might be, which isn't that how
Speaker 3: life goes? So this is not about the jam. Prince
Speaker 3: Harry's had a really good couple of days. Let me explain.
Speaker 3: He took a thirty six hour trip to Kiev in
Speaker 3: Ukraine over the weekend and he was promoting his Invictus
Speaker 3: Games foundation there, but Before that, he went to the.
Speaker 4: UK for a few days and had a balloon animal
Speaker 4: sword fight with a small child.
Speaker 3: Oh so sel photos. He went, He visited sick children,
Speaker 3: He got out and about in the community. He was smiling,
Speaker 3: he was laughing. The UK press called it old Harry
Speaker 3: is back again, because you know, he's only been to
Speaker 3: the UK recently for lawsuits and has looked very dow
Speaker 3: funerals and funerals.
Speaker 2: So was he in the UK as part of an
Speaker 2: Invictus Games thing too, I'm just wondering.
Speaker 3: No, it was essentially a little unofficial royal visit. So
Speaker 3: he went in part because he really wanted to meet
Speaker 3: with his dad and it was unclear whether he was
Speaker 3: going to And if you recall last week on the show,
Speaker 3: I cited some reporting that said that his dad was
Speaker 3: not going to meet with him. And the reason why
Speaker 3: his dad was not going to meet with him is
Speaker 3: because his other son, William has absolutely next this. He
Speaker 3: says he's not allowed to meet with Harry. It's sort
Speaker 3: of the same as Prince Andrew. Once you're out, you're out,
Speaker 3: you can't be let back in. He said unforgivable things
Speaker 3: about Kate. He implied that Kate was racist about his
Speaker 3: children's skin color.
Speaker 1: And that she was cold.
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of sympathy for this idea because
Speaker 4: can you imagine, given that so many private conversations were
Speaker 4: relaid both in the Netflix documentary that harn Meghan did
Speaker 4: and in Spare his memoir, like even meeting with Charles,
Speaker 4: I think trust would be very much in tatters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I don't think it's unusual when
Speaker 3: there are two children to sort of play off each
Speaker 3: other to their parents. I remember once you and me
Speaker 3: were talking about how fun it is to complain about
Speaker 3: our sibling to our parents and then to see whether
Speaker 3: or not they agree with you.
Speaker 1: And complain to our sibling about our parents exactly.
Speaker 3: So all of this has said that he didn't know
Speaker 3: whether he was going to get to meet with him. Well,
Speaker 3: guess what. Charles was coming down to London from Balmoral
Speaker 3: for his weekly cancer treatment and he met with Harry.
Speaker 3: This is a huge deal. They have not met since
Speaker 3: February twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Do we know where they met?
Speaker 4: They met at Clarence House's house and the perhaps were
Speaker 4: tipped off by the Palace to show Harry driving.
Speaker 1: In in his range.
Speaker 3: Driver now apparently they really pulled out all the stops.
Speaker 3: Harry has a beloved chocolate biscuit cake that Charles made
Speaker 3: sure was laid out for him. Clearly this was a
Speaker 3: real attempt by both sides to repair things.
Speaker 4: So the queen had this tradition of afternoon tea diplomacy
Speaker 4: where if she really wanted something or she really wanted
Speaker 4: someone to make them feel special, she would lay on
Speaker 4: the full English afternoon tea with the proper sandwiches. And
Speaker 4: she loved a bit of cake. So there was this
Speaker 4: special cake that she would have, this chocolate biscuit cake,
Speaker 4: which is quite as really good does and Harry loves it.
Speaker 4: So there was a lot of people were saying, well,
Speaker 4: when Harry goes, if he gets the chocolate biscuit cake
Speaker 4: that is like the real symbol of an olive branch,
Speaker 4: except in chocolate cake.
Speaker 3: Form, and he got it tasty. So the question is why.
Speaker 3: The question is why Charles went against the heir to
Speaker 3: the throne and his eldest son's stated wish to meet
Speaker 3: with his Maverick younger son, who has also not said
Speaker 3: very nice things about him in the past. So why
Speaker 3: did Charles do this? Mea what's your theory.
Speaker 4: I had no theories. There's two that are going around.
Speaker 4: There's a newsletter call the Royalists that I read by
Speaker 4: a royal reporter called Tom Sykes, which I'm getting so
Speaker 4: much value out of.
Speaker 1: He has said that.
Speaker 4: The media is very focused on the split between Charles
Speaker 4: and Harry, but what no one's really noticed is the
Speaker 4: split between Charles and William. And he said that's the
Speaker 4: big story because Charles believes that William is lazy, essentially
Speaker 4: because he does not have nearly as many public engagements.
Speaker 4: So even though Charles has been having cancer treatment for
Speaker 4: the past twelve months, he's done one hundred and seventy
Speaker 4: five engagements. But William has been very clear about family
Speaker 4: first and wellness first, and Charles is of the queen thinking,
Speaker 4: which is duty first. You never put anything above your
Speaker 4: duty as a royal.
Speaker 3: And by the way, there's another dynamic land on top
Speaker 3: of that, which is that William thinks he's going to
Speaker 3: modernize the monarchy and he gets so fed up with
Speaker 3: how Charles is very stuffy and he likes wearing his uniforms,
Speaker 3: and he thinks this is all like very old fashioned,
Speaker 3: and he thinks that putting his family first is showing
Speaker 3: that he's doing a lot to modernize the monarchy.
Speaker 1: He's like, let's make the monarchy cool again.
Speaker 2: So do you think that maybe Harry and Charles had
Speaker 2: a little bit of a bitch about William.
Speaker 4: I think Charles would have probably been more discreet than that,
Speaker 4: because you know, you don't trust.
Speaker 2: Harry, right, yeah, but you know with your mum you like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: you don't go full into it. You see how fire
Speaker 2: you kind of go. How's William? Oh? Has he been
Speaker 2: working hard?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of engagements.
Speaker 4: That's true, And it's funny when Harry was in London
Speaker 4: last week, suddenly Kate and William filled their diary with
Speaker 4: some more engagements.
Speaker 2: Did you read the profile in the Guardian about the
Speaker 2: interview that he interviewed?
Speaker 4: And so he took a Guardian journalist with him on
Speaker 4: this trip to Ukraine, which is really interesting. He's got
Speaker 4: two new media advisors. What did you think of that.
Speaker 3: Interviewinating so number one with the Guardian, which they even
Speaker 3: say at the side of the article, this is a
Speaker 3: really weird choice to have the Guardian go with him,
Speaker 3: because the Guardian is a very openly Republican media outlets.
Speaker 1: So is he he hates the monarchy too.
Speaker 3: And then the second thing that's interesting about him going
Speaker 3: to Ukraine. This is his second trip to Ukraine since
Speaker 3: Russia's invasion, William has not been at all. William is
Speaker 3: desperate to go, but because he's the heir to the throne,
Speaker 3: they've said that it's not safe for him to go.
Speaker 3: So there's been reporting that he was incredibly rankled by
Speaker 3: the fact that Harry gets to go and show his
Speaker 3: valor and his bravery stepping through the bombed out buildings,
Speaker 3: and William just has to hang around on the Estonian
Speaker 3: border with Russia because he's not allowed to go into Ukraine.
Speaker 2: I thought this was I thought of all the things
Speaker 2: Harry and he's Montecito home with his la wife and.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 2: I just thought of all the things he could do.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need to be in Ukraine, like he doesn't
Speaker 2: does no. I know he's got the Invictors games, but
Speaker 2: I actually really respect his commitment to that cause. And
Speaker 2: I read about him and he had this great quote
Speaker 2: about like nobody should feel embarrassed or ashamed about their disabilities,
Speaker 2: and it's about flipping from sympathy to admiration and respect,
Speaker 2: like it's just a cause that's so consistent with him
Speaker 2: and his life and his military experience. And I just
Speaker 2: read that and I got to the end and went, yeah,
Speaker 2: people really respect you because you kind of do know
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, and you've chosen this cause and
Speaker 2: stick with it.
Speaker 3: He also gave a million pounds to a charity in
Speaker 3: the UK, and a lot of people thought this was
Speaker 3: a little bit ghosh to give this amount of money.
Speaker 3: But then Americans pointed out, who were very comfortable talking
Speaker 3: about money, that William's Earthshot Prize, which also gives a
Speaker 3: cash prize out to people, isn't even funded by William.
Speaker 3: It's funded by private donors. So in other words, Harry
Speaker 3: is putting his money where his mouth is in a
Speaker 3: way that William is not.
Speaker 4: I can see how galling it would be for William
Speaker 4: because Harry, and this is why the Queen was so
Speaker 4: uneasy and vetoed Harry and Meghan's request to be part
Speaker 4: time royals, because when you're half in, half out, he
Speaker 4: gets to come and do these quasi royal tours. It
Speaker 4: looks like a royal walks like a royal smells like
Speaker 4: a royal but isn't officially royal, So that helps him
Speaker 4: make commercial deals back in America because he's this pretend royal,
Speaker 4: but he's not governed by any of the limitations of
Speaker 4: being royal. So, for example, William can't go and do
Speaker 4: what he does in Ukraine because it's too much of
Speaker 4: a security risk.
Speaker 3: Right and yet Megan, on the shortbread biscuits that went
Speaker 3: out in the US this week, apparently on the packaging,
Speaker 3: it says, these remind me of my time living in
Speaker 3: the UK when I used to have tea and biscuits.
Speaker 3: And you know, she's playing off this idea that these
Speaker 3: are the biscuits that she probably hate at Buckingham Palace.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Megan, she has given Harry some very good
Speaker 2: advice that came through in the Guardian interview. So Harry
Speaker 2: only mentions her once, but says that she tells him
Speaker 2: that telling the truth is the most efficient way to leave.
Speaker 2: I love that and now he lives by that.
Speaker 3: I think that's brilliant.
Speaker 2: I think it's brilliant. She's so wise, our Meghan, and
Speaker 2: I thought I could do it a little of that.
Speaker 4: Remember when she said she didn't google him before they
Speaker 4: were sorry the Guardian article. Did you read it, Jessea, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I forget. So he is really.
Speaker 3: At pains in that to say, yes, I missed the UK,
Speaker 3: but I also love my life in the US. And
Speaker 3: people have been saying that he's been looking very miserable lately,
Speaker 3: so maybe he's unhappy, but he was really at pains
Speaker 3: to paint his life in the US is one that
Speaker 3: he's very fulfilled in. Do you feel like that was
Speaker 3: doth protest too much? Or did it feel convincing to you?
Speaker 2: Totally convincing, totally convincing that he is not to love
Speaker 2: and that they kind of said, oh, you know, you
Speaker 2: whinge and yeah, someone who's always got something to complain about.
Speaker 2: But he was saying everything I've spoken about is just
Speaker 2: getting my version of what was already on the record
Speaker 2: out there. It was a rite of reply and now
Speaker 2: I've said it. He does seem happy, he does seem light.
Speaker 3: But here is where we need to move into rampant
Speaker 3: speculation and mea, I want your thoughts on this. He
Speaker 3: clearly wants in on some kind of royal or quasi
Speaker 3: royal existence. He's been missing the shaking of hands and
Speaker 3: the jousting with sick kids, and he wants some of that.
Speaker 1: He wants to be on the balcony.
Speaker 3: It's not clear Meghan wants that. In fact, I would
Speaker 3: say that Megan feels much more comfortable doing exactly what
Speaker 3: she's doing, which is pursuing a more traditional American or
Speaker 3: Hollywood conception of celebrity. Or you do the TV shows
Speaker 3: and then you sell associated branded products. These two intentions
Speaker 3: are in conflict with each other.
Speaker 4: Disagree because I think that what makes Meghan, the only
Speaker 4: thing that makes Meghan different from any other influencer is
Speaker 4: the Dutchess part. So they need the royal adjacency to
Speaker 4: make money in the US and to retain their power,
Speaker 4: and their income is directly linked to that royal adjacency.
Speaker 4: If they're just Harry and Meghan, well you know, then
Speaker 4: they're the same as like poshen Becks or any old
Speaker 4: famous albeit world famous couple. There were two things in
Speaker 4: that interview that really jumped out at me. The first
Speaker 4: was when he said the next year is all about
Speaker 4: my father. I'm like, okay, well, Charles is sicker than
Speaker 4: we thought. And the second thing was the last line
Speaker 4: where the journalist talked about how popular he is in Ukraine,
Speaker 4: and because there's so many people who've got disabilities in
Speaker 4: Ukraine who've been injured in the war, he's hugely famous
Speaker 4: because of his Invictors games work right, and so he
Speaker 4: was like mobbed in Ukraine. And the journalist recounted to
Speaker 4: Harry that he'd asked one of the people, why do
Speaker 4: you like him so much? And they said, oh, it's
Speaker 4: just dis great royal. But he seems to do things
Speaker 4: his own way. And when he said that to Harry,
Speaker 4: Harry said, you know who else did their things their
Speaker 4: own way? My mum. And I was like, oh, the
Speaker 4: feeling that William and Harry must have in who has
Speaker 4: claimed to Diana's legacy, because Harry has written so much
Speaker 4: about his devastation and Diana and Diana and he is
Speaker 4: like her in a lot of way, and William hasn't.
Speaker 4: And there's this idea that somehow William wasn't affected by
Speaker 4: her loss and isn't still affected by her loss, just
Speaker 4: because he doesn't emote in that kind of American way.
Speaker 4: You'd have to say that William, and I guess he could,
Speaker 4: but that's not really the vibe of the monarch and
Speaker 4: future monarch.
Speaker 3: It's such a funny and U forbidding family. There was
Speaker 3: some other news last week. Paul Barrow, Diana's former butler.
Speaker 3: He wrote something about the last days of Queen Elizabeth's
Speaker 3: life and he had some inside sources there. And apparently
Speaker 3: she didn't even tell her family that she being diagnosed
Speaker 3: with cancer. She told her ladies in waiting, and she
Speaker 3: told people around her, but she was concerned that as
Speaker 3: she told the family, they'd say, you got to get
Speaker 3: off the throne and we're going to put in a
Speaker 3: regency ruling until you pass. And I just can't imagine
Speaker 3: being in a family where you have to decide if
Speaker 3: it's strategically okay for you to mention that you're dying.
Speaker 3: MM after the.
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Speaker 2: If you're feeling a bit flat, bit isolated, bit lonely.
Speaker 2: A woman named Anna Syrian wants you to try what
Speaker 2: she has termed the mayor walk. The writer she has
Speaker 2: a substat called ambitious Softy says what she does is
Speaker 2: she walks into the hub of her local neighborhood. So
Speaker 2: think your local cafe, right, and she sets a challenge
Speaker 2: for herself to embody the energy of a small town mayor. Right,
Speaker 2: what does that look like? You have to assume everyone
Speaker 2: is happy to see you. You have to make eye
Speaker 2: contact with all dogs and all babies. You must carry
Speaker 2: a warmth and lightness out in the community for specifically
Speaker 2: ten to twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: She's said, right, that amount of time is doable.
Speaker 2: Is your limit?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: She says this is the best way that she's managed
Speaker 2: to make connections in her small community. Amelia, would you
Speaker 2: say you have mayor energy?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I think I have spoken on this podcast
Speaker 3: about how my neighbors in my apartment building complain to
Speaker 3: the strata that I was not friendly enough.
Speaker 2: But that is I feel like something what happened to me?
Speaker 3: But that is I think why I adore this. It's
Speaker 3: a challenge, like even to do it for ten to
Speaker 3: twenty minutes. It's scared me a little bit, and that's
Speaker 3: how I know I must do it. So I tried
Speaker 3: it this morning. I got on the bus and I
Speaker 3: said good morning to the bus driver and then he
Speaker 3: said something unintelligible back to me. But I felt like
Speaker 3: I'd set off on the right foot and I'm going
Speaker 3: to try this. I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Can you try it in your own house?
Speaker 2: I think the home could do with some maor energy
Speaker 2: because you maya to call you out, you have mad
Speaker 2: small town mayor energy in the office.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So what happens is this is how I imagine it going.
Speaker 2: You get in the lift, you take a deep breath,
Speaker 2: you close your eyes, you have a moment, you go
Speaker 2: turn on the math, and then you walk out of
Speaker 2: the lift. And because you happen to own this business,
Speaker 2: you don't get to walk in like a MILLIONA and
Speaker 2: I do where we put our heads down and hide
Speaker 2: in the barthroend. You've got to have some kind of
Speaker 2: present and you walk in and you have your queen
Speaker 2: wave that you do to people. Yes, and they.
Speaker 3: Don't got queen waves.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, you're shaking hands.
Speaker 4: You're not actually shaking people's heads and wave that's what
Speaker 4: you're doing.
Speaker 2: And then you're going you have your prepared small talk,
Speaker 2: you start touching people's clothes questionable.
Speaker 1: Maybe whether that's my version of over the.
Speaker 2: Wave yep, And then you just go, how's your weekend?
Speaker 3: Da?
Speaker 2: Da da, And you are like this this socialite that
Speaker 2: turns it on ten to twenty minutes. And then you
Speaker 2: go and hide in your office and when you see me,
Speaker 2: you're like high like because you know you don't have
Speaker 2: to go full mayor on me. But not the mayor
Speaker 2: view to other people. I think that people who own businesses, wow,
Speaker 2: have to turn on the.
Speaker 1: Mayor, do you know?
Speaker 4: And also people who work in the service industry. Oh
Speaker 4: when when you're in any way customer facing and you've
Speaker 4: just nailed why I'm so tired, Because I've often said
Speaker 4: when I'm at work, I feel the responsibility to walk
Speaker 4: the floor so people can see me. I've got to
Speaker 4: be interested in everyone, and I genuinely am.
Speaker 2: You must embrace babies. If there's a baby in the office,
Speaker 2: it is like you must hold the baby. Make a fast.
Speaker 4: When you're the mayor or the owner of a business,
Speaker 4: you know that people's interactions with you carry weight, and
Speaker 4: if you are in a bad mood or distracted or
Speaker 4: absent or whatever, they can take that personally in a
Speaker 4: way that they might not if you're a regular coworker.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like being in front of house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like being a little bit famous, right,
Speaker 2: because everyone knows who you are, even if you don't
Speaker 2: know who they are yet, because it might be their
Speaker 2: first day, right, and like you haven't met them before,
Speaker 2: but you've got to give them a memorable experience because
Speaker 2: the mayor.
Speaker 3: This reminds me that I had a boss at a
Speaker 3: magazine I used to work out who was quite famous,
Speaker 3: and he's not an a winter or famous, but he's
Speaker 3: up there for journalists. And his strategy was he would
Speaker 3: walk around the office once a day, and you knew
Speaker 3: that he'd come and see you, and you kind of
Speaker 3: wanted to prepare for it by putting something on your
Speaker 3: desk to start the conversation, because the one thing you
Speaker 3: couldn't be was boring. So you might put a book
Speaker 3: on your desk, or you might put a new snack
Speaker 3: or some kind of offering to the boss on his
Speaker 3: male walk so that when he came round to see
Speaker 3: you you had something to riff on, and then you'd
Speaker 3: make that connection as he went on his walk.
Speaker 4: That's genius, because I think people can become very anxious
Speaker 4: when they have to talk to the mayor, because I
Speaker 4: think it's not just business owners, but it's also managers.
Speaker 1: I remember when.
Speaker 4: My boss used to come into my office when I
Speaker 4: worked in magazines. I would always have like sporting equipment,
Speaker 4: not actual sport equipment, but like there'd be an umbrella
Speaker 4: that he would pretend was a golf club, or they'd
Speaker 4: be like a ball that he could like throw in
Speaker 4: the garbage bin, and that sort of facilitated his mayoral experience.
Speaker 2: I have found that I've gone a bit full mayor
Speaker 2: when I'm with Luna throughout the commit Like when I
Speaker 2: was just on my own, I could just walk through
Speaker 2: and be anonymous or whatever. But when I'm with Luna,
Speaker 2: I almost want to present the world as this open,
Speaker 2: exciting everyone's our friend, and I turn into a different
Speaker 2: version of myself because I want to model what a kind, good,
Speaker 2: engaged person looks like, which is entirely performative, Like I've
Speaker 2: got to go all right, let's put on my acting hat.
Speaker 2: So The other day, I took Leona. It was a
Speaker 2: really cold day. We were hanging out the morning. We
Speaker 2: walked past this guy I see all the time. I
Speaker 2: say high to him, who is currently homeless, and we
Speaker 2: stopped and I went, would you like a coffee? Let's
Speaker 2: go and get this maun of coffee loner, and I thought,
Speaker 2: and that was for Luna, Like I'd like to believe
Speaker 2: that I'm a kind person. But I went, Luna needs
Speaker 2: to see her mum being a mayor. And so when
Speaker 2: on board it, she tried to steal the bickie off
Speaker 2: the top and I went, no, no, no, that's not
Speaker 2: good form, Luna, we're being the mayor, went and gave
Speaker 2: it to him, and I was like, this is how
Speaker 2: I should behave every single day, Like it makes you
Speaker 2: feel so good about yourself because you're connected with the community.
Speaker 3: All the studies show that happiness comes from interactions that
Speaker 3: you have with acquaintances or strangers. Yeah, the friendships and
Speaker 3: the relationships, those are the draining ones.
Speaker 4: That's why so many of us suffered during COVID drive
Speaker 4: because we didn't have we were deprived of those interactions.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when we were finally let out of
Speaker 4: our houses and we would have these long conversations with
Speaker 4: strangers in like queues or on buses. I think it's
Speaker 4: so interesting this idea of a mayor walk because a
Speaker 4: mayor is different to a royal and different to a celebrity.
Speaker 4: Because a mayor is accessible and a mayor is relatable
Speaker 4: and accountable.
Speaker 2: And of service.
Speaker 1: You're of service.
Speaker 2: So I also think I think this is why I
Speaker 2: hate having birthday parties, because you have to put on
Speaker 2: your mayor hand. Oh and the thing about this that
Speaker 2: I loved was I've got ten to twenty minutes, maybe
Speaker 2: twelve minutes in me a full mayor mode.
Speaker 1: You're right hosting a party, you have to be a mayor.
Speaker 2: I hate because the thing is I have a birthday
Speaker 2: party and you invite all your friends there, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can't do three.
Speaker 3: Do you know what it's worth? Kids' birthday parties where
Speaker 3: you're unclear on the name of any of the people
Speaker 3: you've invited to know, how can you be the mayor.
Speaker 2: When you don't know people's name and it just goes
Speaker 2: on and on. It's like, I feel as though you
Speaker 2: do ten minutes, you set it up, and then everyone
Speaker 2: else you know what you need a sub in mayor.
Speaker 2: You need to then go here's a baton. Now you
Speaker 2: be the mayor, because I can't.
Speaker 1: Suspect I've got it.
Speaker 4: My best tip for mayor's if you find yourself in
Speaker 4: a mayor situation.
Speaker 1: Great to see you.
Speaker 3: Great to see you.
Speaker 4: Not nice to meet you because maybe you've met before
Speaker 4: and you've forgotten.
Speaker 1: Really, it's great to see you.
Speaker 2: See do you think this whole conversation people have thought
Speaker 2: we're talking about the male horse, female horse? Is it
Speaker 2: a female horse?
Speaker 3: My biggest takeaway is that mea thinks an umbrella is
Speaker 3: sporting equipment. Before we go, I have gone full domestic
Speaker 3: goddess and I want to share it with you. I
Speaker 3: know how to make a scone according to the Country
Speaker 3: Women's Association, as you know, are the experts on this.
Speaker 2: Did you do a course?
Speaker 3: A course this weekend? Sorry, of course she does.
Speaker 2: Such unusual things, Amelia.
Speaker 3: This weekend I had a friend visiting from the US
Speaker 3: and she has a baby and is very frazzled, and
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of what's a really Australian
Speaker 3: thing we can do that's not cliched, And it so
Speaker 3: happened that in my neighborhood. There was a Country Women's
Speaker 3: Association course on how to make the perfect scone, and
Speaker 3: I thought, that's the most Australian thing I can.
Speaker 2: Know, Amelia. It's very with love Megan of you.
Speaker 1: I think it's when you just say course, how long?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it a weekly thing?
Speaker 3: Oh? Did you have? It was a very rigorous three
Speaker 3: hours and we had to get involved with the making
Speaker 3: of the scones. But I learned a lot of really
Speaker 3: fascinating things.
Speaker 2: Okay, please please tell us I do love U scne?
Speaker 1: Can I just put that out of there?
Speaker 3: Love us gone? Did you bring any I did not
Speaker 3: because I ate them all. We made pumpkin. We made
Speaker 3: a savory SCN with cheese and olive. The best cheese
Speaker 3: mixer of SCN is parmesan and cheddar half half, and
Speaker 3: we made a regular SCN. And then we made a
Speaker 3: lemonade scan which I'm going to make with my kids
Speaker 3: because they're really easy.
Speaker 1: Have you heard a lemonade? S gone?
Speaker 3: It's just lemonade, flour and cream.
Speaker 4: Really yummy.
Speaker 1: I thought you put cream on a SCN, not in
Speaker 1: a skin.
Speaker 3: You can make it in the scon So the main
Speaker 3: thing I want to leave you with because the big,
Speaker 3: big thing she said about how to make the perfect
Speaker 3: scne is you do not twist. Let me explain. When
Speaker 3: you are cutting the scon out of your dough, there's
Speaker 3: a temptation, there's a temptation to twist the cutter into
Speaker 3: the dough.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I do
Speaker 2: with Plato.
Speaker 3: You must never twist. It inhibits the skon's ability to rise,
Speaker 3: and to me, it's full potential.
Speaker 1: Jesse, you can't inhibit the scone.
Speaker 3: Never twist, Never twist.
Speaker 2: I'm undermining as a foundation needs to be free.
Speaker 3: Okay, do you have any other questions for.
Speaker 2: Me in terms of the tray, Like how close are
Speaker 2: we're putting the scones together?
Speaker 3: Good question. They should not be touching. This is a
Speaker 3: common misconception of fact. I heard from someone in the
Speaker 3: office here who thought that you were meant to sort
Speaker 3: of have them lightly kiss each other. No, I thought
Speaker 3: they can in.
Speaker 1: A miss and tray me.
Speaker 2: Oh, you've really upset everyone. Now you're not going to
Speaker 2: be invited back. I think that Amelia and Brent Holly's
Speaker 2: Brent who won the scone competition's gone off. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that there should be a competition, except.
Speaker 3: It's just no, I'm going to win because I'm going
Speaker 3: to leave you with a couple more tips. Keep everything
Speaker 3: cold so you don't need to sift flower, which is
Speaker 3: great because I never truly understood how to sift flower.
Speaker 2: I never understood the purpose.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that the purpose is so you don't
Speaker 3: have lumpskys well anyway, keep it in the freezer and
Speaker 3: you never have to sift together again. Keep your flower
Speaker 3: in the freezer. And another thing is that when you've
Speaker 3: made the scones and you've put them on the baking tray,
Speaker 3: whipping into the fridge for a little bit, then turn
Speaker 3: the oven on so they get a little bit of
Speaker 3: a chill before you get them in the ovens.
Speaker 1: Few more steps and I'm happy.
Speaker 3: The final tip that I want to leave you with,
Speaker 3: and this is important, you cannot overmix. It's a lazy
Speaker 3: girl taking exercise, which is also.
Speaker 2: The role apparently doves for cookies. Yeah you want to.
Speaker 2: I think that maybe you're not meant to with cookies.
Speaker 2: You're like, they're really good when you take them, go.
Speaker 1: What a bit rubbery?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just doesn't let them rise and then cream
Speaker 3: and jam. I want to see if we have thoughts
Speaker 3: on what goes first.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think jam goes first.
Speaker 2: I would think cream and then jam as the top
Speaker 2: er off for us.
Speaker 3: So it turns out that the reason why people are
Speaker 3: even putting jam on top is because of Instagram. Like
Speaker 3: this is like like it's always been understood you're meant
Speaker 3: to put the jam on first and then the cream.
Speaker 3: This is a cwa's doctrine, and I am inclined to
Speaker 3: believe them on everything, including scones. But they speculate that
Speaker 3: because we now want to make everything pretty for social media,
Speaker 3: that's why there's been this pernicious shift towards putting the
Speaker 3: jam on top of it. It's like porn. It's like porn.
Speaker 4: Be honest, I don't be food porn, but like the
Speaker 4: reason that there are certain things that you see in porn,
Speaker 4: like no pubic care, is because it looks better on camera.
Speaker 2: That's so much like nouns.
Speaker 3: It's like, Scott, I don't know what the CWA would
Speaker 3: endorse that, but let's let's run with it.
Speaker 4: Maybe they of course for that, Probably not they probably
Speaker 4: they don't.
Speaker 2: A big thank you to all of you the out loud.
Speaker 2: It's fun. It's been so much fun that might come by.
Speaker 2: We might we might even invite you for listening to
Speaker 2: today's show and our fabulous team.
Speaker 1: For me interrupting you.
Speaker 2: No, not really. Look, I've missed your energy. I've missed
Speaker 2: your mayor energy. You're well behaved today, you were, you
Speaker 2: were prepared.
Speaker 1: My best foot forward.
Speaker 2: You've got a good energy. You're allowed back. Friends, don't
Speaker 2: forget you. You think I should keep in you just
Speaker 2: keep interrupting, don't you.
Speaker 3: One at a time, you compared SCons to porn. I
Speaker 3: don't think that's her being on good behavior.
Speaker 2: You can watch us on YouTube. Have you've been watching
Speaker 2: us on YouTube?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: I have?
Speaker 1: Actually, how do we look? I've got some notes? No,
Speaker 1: you look great.
Speaker 2: Thank you will be back in your ears.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow before we go, though. If you're feeling that pressure
Speaker 3: of the end of the year, and I know it's coming,
Speaker 3: you might enjoined last Wednesday's episode. It's related. We talked
Speaker 3: about the great lock in. This is a phrase I'm
Speaker 3: using all the time now, and I used it with
Speaker 3: my babysitter and she was so impressed that I knew
Speaker 3: this phrase. So listen to that. And here's a little
Speaker 3: taste of it.
Speaker 1: Lucking guys, Stacy, are you locking in?
Speaker 5: Can I lock it out? Get me out, leave me
Speaker 5: on the outside. I just feel like this is like
Speaker 5: New Year's Resolutions rebranded, except we have to do them
Speaker 5: every quarter, and I'm just like, I've failed already ten days.
Speaker 3: Into the month. I don't want to do it. I
Speaker 3: don't want to do it. But how fundamentally resent having
Speaker 3: to think about the year in terms of quarters? I
Speaker 3: am an accountant, Yes, Amelia?
Speaker 2: How about like, are you going to run a marathon?
Speaker 2: Are you training for?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know that, Jesse. That's so funny that you asked
Speaker 3: me that. I am just trying to go to exercise
Speaker 3: classes and stay silent during them. That's just my goal here.
Speaker 3: It was really interesting chat. And we'll pop a link
Speaker 3: to that episode in the show notes. I guarantee you
Speaker 3: will be using it a lot. Bye bye.
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