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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mother and Mere podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to mum mea out loud What women are actually

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Speaker 2: talking about on Monday, the fifteenth of September. I am

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Speaker 2: Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 1: I'm me and Friedman because hollywaen Right is sick.

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Speaker 3: I'm Amelia Last.

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Speaker 2: And here's what's on our agenda for today. The assassination

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Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk in broad daylight, the aftermath and what

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Speaker 2: it all means.

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Speaker 3: Plus Prince Harry went back to the UK last week

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Speaker 3: and it has changed everything.

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Speaker 4: And what is a mayor walk? And can doing one

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Speaker 4: transform my mood? But first we have to talk about

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk. I just want to obviously start by saying

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Speaker 4: how horrifying it was to hear, and a lot of

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Speaker 4: out louders will have seen or will have had people

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Speaker 4: in their household, friends and family and kids who saw

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Speaker 4: the whole footage of a thirty one year old man

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Speaker 4: being a sated in front of thousands of people in

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Speaker 4: broad daylight while he was talking on a college campus.

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Speaker 4: And I didn't actually know who Charlie Kirk was, and

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Speaker 4: so I was trying to I felt like I was

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Speaker 4: playing catch up because I was like, what just happened?

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?

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Speaker 4: And my teenagers were like, you don't know who Charlie

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Speaker 4: Kirk is?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No.

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Speaker 4: He was very familiar to young people because he was

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Speaker 4: all over TikTok and had started this movement where he

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Speaker 4: sort of goes on college campuses and debates people. But

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Speaker 4: I didn't know who he was, and so all I

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Speaker 4: was reeling from was the shock. And my kids friends

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Speaker 4: were messaging them telling them to be careful on social

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Speaker 4: media because some of their friends had seen the full video.

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Speaker 4: I've got friends with primary school age children who saw

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Speaker 4: it because within you know, seemingly minutes of the attack,

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Speaker 4: it was circulating everywhere. Every second reel you would see

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Speaker 4: on TikTok and every second Instagram post was this incredibly

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Speaker 4: violent footage of a man being murdered.

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Speaker 1: Essentially, how did you guys feel when you heard?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think I had two reactions. It was really upsetting

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Speaker 3: to think about this man who has two young children

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Speaker 3: being killed and seeing that footage is something that is

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Speaker 3: really hard to take. But then the second thing that

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Speaker 3: was why it really hit me is because it's an

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Speaker 3: act of political violence. And remember when Trump was almost

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Speaker 3: assassinated a year ago, there was an attempt on his life.

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Speaker 3: When I heard that news, I burst into tears because

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Speaker 3: there's something so uniquely disturbing about the idea of someone

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Speaker 2: I think I agree with you. I found it really shocking.

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Speaker 2: I found the way that the events transpired sort of

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Speaker 2: in real time from the other side of the world,

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Speaker 2: quite unusual, in that we had the President of the

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Speaker 2: United States declaring him dead before anyone else knew that

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Speaker 2: was the case. We'd seen the footage, people didn't know

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Speaker 4: And then by the time I came to the story,

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Speaker 4: it was all you must have been up earlier than

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Speaker 1: You did know who Charlie Kirk was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was very familiar with Charlie Kirk. He's been

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Speaker 2: all over my Instagram and TikTok for twelve months. As

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Speaker 2: you say, he's thirty one. He's widely credited as the

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Speaker 2: guy who is very much responsible for getting the younger

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Speaker 2: vote to galvanize around Trump. There is a very convincing

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Speaker 2: argument that Trump would not have been elected if it

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Speaker 3: I did not know that he was that significant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so Charlie Kirk, just to give you a

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Speaker 2: like he was in with Donald Trump and in with

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's family. So do you remember the false reports

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Speaker 2: time of one of the debates.

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Speaker 3: Yea.

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Speaker 1: The dog.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So Charlie Kirk was instrumental in perpetuating that myth,

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Speaker 2: Like he was so on the Internet that he had

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Speaker 3: Which was a completely untrue.

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Speaker 2: there's a through line with Charlie Kirk, like he started

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Speaker 2: he was able to galvanize this whole generation of people

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Speaker 2: and be like, we're for real American values. Hahna. Social

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Speaker 2: debate platform that we were talking about a few months

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Speaker 2: ago he popularized that lately. Yes, he was the guy.

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Speaker 2: That's what Turning Point USA is, which he co founded.

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Speaker 2: It was about educating young people on conservative values.

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Speaker 3: So can I ask, because you say that he's been

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Speaker 3: in your algorithm for a year now, I guess that's

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Speaker 3: because you're watching these videos. That's why he keeps popping up.

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Speaker 3: And what is it about him that inspired such strong connections?

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Speaker 2: I would always stop because I found it so infuriating.

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Speaker 2: And it was because it was like he thought that

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Speaker 2: because he spoke really fast and used lots of words

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Speaker 2: is the facts, don't care about your feelings conservative guy,

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Speaker 2: that he was owning someone and showing out the hypocrisy

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Speaker 2: To me, it was such an indictment on the state

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Speaker 2: also came up in a lot of conversations I have

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Speaker 2: did he kind of make a good point about this thing?

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Speaker 2: Because he could be very, very persuasive, but he was

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Speaker 2: arguing for really dangerous, really upsetting political views. The idea

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Speaker 2: that he would be assassinated for speaking, you know, his

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Speaker 2: beliefs was just I can't think of another word other

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Speaker 2: agreed with a word that Charlie Kirk has said, and

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Speaker 2: I've actually seen a lot of them. But that doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that political violence or that someone losing their life

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Speaker 2: for what they're saying is allowed. And I think I

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Speaker 2: found it. There were two sides. There was the holding

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Speaker 2: him up as a martyr, and then there was barely

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Speaker 2: and there was glee. It was such a uniquely Internet moment.

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Speaker 4: What made me so shocked was the butt I disagree

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Speaker 4: with you. I don't think there was two sides. I

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Speaker 2: I think those people didn't post, well.

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Speaker 4: No, but why do you have to post? This is

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Speaker 4: what made me feel so heartsick. Apart from the human

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Speaker 4: heartsick story of a father with two children, age one

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Speaker 4: It's been televised globally essentially via the internet. Firstly, why

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Speaker 4: who come on and say this is bad, but I

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Speaker 4: didn't agree with what he said, or but sometimes violence

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Speaker 4: is necessary. I saw some people say but sometimes violence

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Speaker 4: is necessary. These are respectable mainstream commentators. You know why

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Speaker 4: when is violence necessary?

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Speaker 2: You Know what I notice more than anything this weekend

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Speaker 1: About if this matters.

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Speaker 4: Can we just agree that we don't kill people if

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Speaker 4: we disagree with what they stand for, or what they say,

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Speaker 4: going to happen. Some people are going to celebrate it,

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Speaker 4: then there's going to be opinions written, and then there'll

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Speaker 4: be backlash to the opinions and hot takes of hot takes,

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Speaker 4: and everyone will try to cancel each other if you

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Speaker 4: say something, what should you say? And it's like, firstly,

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Speaker 4: you don't need to say anything, and secondly, you can

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Speaker 4: just say this is tragic. Can we all agree that

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Speaker 3: This reminds me a little bit mea of when school

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Speaker 3: politicize them. And now it's not the time to talk

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I've also thought about so much

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Speaker 4: is that this culture And we've noticed as people who've

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Speaker 4: other people would have opinions. It then became over the

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Speaker 4: delete it, take it down, apologize for what you said,

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Speaker 4: because this feeling of having an opinion out there that

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Speaker 4: And it was part of cancel culture as well. Right,

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Speaker 4: So someone said something you didn't agree with. It's not

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Speaker 4: I disagree with this person and you debate them or

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Speaker 4: you choose not to engage with them anymore. It's they

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Speaker 4: need to be punished, they need to be canceled or

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Speaker 3: But that's coming from both sides of me. I agree,

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Speaker 3: I agree this is Happeningvative forces in the US are

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Speaker 3: gathering to make lists of everyone who said things about this.

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Speaker 3: I agree, they didn't think.

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Speaker 4: Were And to me, it's not a left and right.

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Speaker 4: To me, it's our culture. Well, of the Internet of

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Speaker 4: if I disagree.

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Speaker 1: With you, you.

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Speaker 4: Can't exist, and that is a through line to assosciation,

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Speaker 4: which is terrifying.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that they might be disparate issues,

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Speaker 2: and go, oh, it's it's left and right. It's the

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Speaker 2: progressives on the internet have lost their mind. Hang on,

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Speaker 2: we know very little about the person who did this.

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Speaker 2: One man shot that bullet, and he will have had

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Speaker 2: and all of that. And I do not like holding

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Speaker 4: five engagements. But William has been very clear about family

442
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Speaker 4: first and wellness first, and Charles is of the queen thinking,

443
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Speaker 4: which is duty first. You never put anything above your

444
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Speaker 4: duty as a royal.

445
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Speaker 3: And by the way, there's another dynamic land on top

446
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Speaker 3: of that, which is that William thinks he's going to

447
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Speaker 3: modernize the monarchy and he gets so fed up with

448
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Speaker 3: how Charles is very stuffy and he likes wearing his uniforms,

449
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Speaker 3: and he thinks this is all like very old fashioned,

450
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Speaker 3: and he thinks that putting his family first is showing

451
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Speaker 3: that he's doing a lot to modernize the monarchy.

452
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Speaker 1: He's like, let's make the monarchy cool again.

453
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Speaker 2: So do you think that maybe Harry and Charles had

454
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a bitch about William.

455
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Speaker 4: I think Charles would have probably been more discreet than that,

456
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Speaker 4: because you know, you don't trust.

457
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Speaker 2: Harry, right, yeah, but you know with your mum you like, yeah, no,

458
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Speaker 2: you don't go full into it. You see how fire

459
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Speaker 2: you kind of go. How's William? Oh? Has he been

460
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Speaker 2: working hard?

461
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Speaker 5: Oh?

462
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Speaker 2: It's not a lot of engagements.

463
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Speaker 4: That's true, And it's funny when Harry was in London

464
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Speaker 4: last week, suddenly Kate and William filled their diary with

465
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Speaker 4: some more engagements.

466
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Speaker 2: Did you read the profile in the Guardian about the

467
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Speaker 2: interview that he interviewed?

468
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Speaker 4: And so he took a Guardian journalist with him on

469
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Speaker 4: this trip to Ukraine, which is really interesting. He's got

470
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Speaker 4: two new media advisors. What did you think of that.

471
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Speaker 3: Interviewinating so number one with the Guardian, which they even

472
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Speaker 3: say at the side of the article, this is a

473
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Speaker 3: really weird choice to have the Guardian go with him,

474
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Speaker 3: because the Guardian is a very openly Republican media outlets.

475
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Speaker 1: So is he he hates the monarchy too.

476
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Speaker 3: And then the second thing that's interesting about him going

477
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Speaker 3: to Ukraine. This is his second trip to Ukraine since

478
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Speaker 3: Russia's invasion, William has not been at all. William is

479
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Speaker 3: desperate to go, but because he's the heir to the throne,

480
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Speaker 3: they've said that it's not safe for him to go.

481
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Speaker 3: So there's been reporting that he was incredibly rankled by

482
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Speaker 3: the fact that Harry gets to go and show his

483
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Speaker 3: valor and his bravery stepping through the bombed out buildings,

484
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Speaker 3: and William just has to hang around on the Estonian

485
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Speaker 3: border with Russia because he's not allowed to go into Ukraine.

486
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Speaker 2: I thought this was I thought of all the things

487
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Speaker 2: Harry and he's Montecito home with his la wife and.

488
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Speaker 1: All of that.

489
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Speaker 2: I just thought of all the things he could do.

490
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Speaker 2: He doesn't need to be in Ukraine, like he doesn't

491
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Speaker 2: does no. I know he's got the Invictors games, but

492
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Speaker 2: I actually really respect his commitment to that cause. And

493
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Speaker 2: I read about him and he had this great quote

494
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Speaker 2: about like nobody should feel embarrassed or ashamed about their disabilities,

495
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Speaker 2: and it's about flipping from sympathy to admiration and respect,

496
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Speaker 2: like it's just a cause that's so consistent with him

497
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Speaker 2: and his life and his military experience. And I just

498
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Speaker 2: read that and I got to the end and went, yeah,

499
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Speaker 2: people really respect you because you kind of do know

500
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Speaker 2: what you're talking about, and you've chosen this cause and

501
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Speaker 2: stick with it.

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Speaker 3: He also gave a million pounds to a charity in

503
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Speaker 3: the UK, and a lot of people thought this was

504
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Speaker 3: a little bit ghosh to give this amount of money.

505
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Speaker 3: But then Americans pointed out, who were very comfortable talking

506
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Speaker 3: about money, that William's Earthshot Prize, which also gives a

507
00:24:17,354 --> 00:24:19,994
Speaker 3: cash prize out to people, isn't even funded by William.

508
00:24:19,994 --> 00:24:22,634
Speaker 3: It's funded by private donors. So in other words, Harry

509
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Speaker 3: is putting his money where his mouth is in a

510
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Speaker 3: way that William is not.

511
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Speaker 4: I can see how galling it would be for William

512
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Speaker 4: because Harry, and this is why the Queen was so

513
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Speaker 4: uneasy and vetoed Harry and Meghan's request to be part

514
00:24:36,354 --> 00:24:40,354
Speaker 4: time royals, because when you're half in, half out, he

515
00:24:40,394 --> 00:24:44,273
Speaker 4: gets to come and do these quasi royal tours. It

516
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Speaker 4: looks like a royal walks like a royal smells like

517
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Speaker 4: a royal but isn't officially royal, So that helps him

518
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Speaker 4: make commercial deals back in America because he's this pretend royal,

519
00:24:56,514 --> 00:24:59,033
Speaker 4: but he's not governed by any of the limitations of

520
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Speaker 4: being royal. So, for example, William can't go and do

521
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Speaker 4: what he does in Ukraine because it's too much of

522
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Speaker 4: a security risk.

523
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Speaker 3: Right and yet Megan, on the shortbread biscuits that went

524
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Speaker 3: out in the US this week, apparently on the packaging,

525
00:25:11,754 --> 00:25:14,394
Speaker 3: it says, these remind me of my time living in

526
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Speaker 3: the UK when I used to have tea and biscuits.

527
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Speaker 3: And you know, she's playing off this idea that these

528
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Speaker 3: are the biscuits that she probably hate at Buckingham Palace.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Megan, she has given Harry some very good

530
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Speaker 2: advice that came through in the Guardian interview. So Harry

531
00:25:28,954 --> 00:25:32,154
Speaker 2: only mentions her once, but says that she tells him

532
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Speaker 2: that telling the truth is the most efficient way to leave.

533
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Speaker 2: I love that and now he lives by that.

534
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Speaker 3: I think that's brilliant.

535
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Speaker 2: I think it's brilliant. She's so wise, our Meghan, and

536
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Speaker 2: I thought I could do it a little of that.

537
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Speaker 4: Remember when she said she didn't google him before they

538
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Speaker 4: were sorry the Guardian article. Did you read it, Jessea, Yeah,

539
00:25:49,354 --> 00:25:51,634
Speaker 4: I forget. So he is really.

540
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Speaker 3: At pains in that to say, yes, I missed the UK,

541
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Speaker 3: but I also love my life in the US. And

542
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Speaker 3: people have been saying that he's been looking very miserable lately,

543
00:26:00,114 --> 00:26:02,794
Speaker 3: so maybe he's unhappy, but he was really at pains

544
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Speaker 3: to paint his life in the US is one that

545
00:26:04,914 --> 00:26:07,114
Speaker 3: he's very fulfilled in. Do you feel like that was

546
00:26:07,234 --> 00:26:09,674
Speaker 3: doth protest too much? Or did it feel convincing to you?

547
00:26:10,234 --> 00:26:13,634
Speaker 2: Totally convincing, totally convincing that he is not to love

548
00:26:13,834 --> 00:26:15,914
Speaker 2: and that they kind of said, oh, you know, you

549
00:26:15,994 --> 00:26:19,114
Speaker 2: whinge and yeah, someone who's always got something to complain about.

550
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Speaker 2: But he was saying everything I've spoken about is just

551
00:26:21,314 --> 00:26:23,794
Speaker 2: getting my version of what was already on the record

552
00:26:23,834 --> 00:26:26,194
Speaker 2: out there. It was a rite of reply and now

553
00:26:26,234 --> 00:26:29,234
Speaker 2: I've said it. He does seem happy, he does seem light.

554
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Speaker 3: But here is where we need to move into rampant

555
00:26:31,194 --> 00:26:34,474
Speaker 3: speculation and mea, I want your thoughts on this. He

556
00:26:34,594 --> 00:26:37,594
Speaker 3: clearly wants in on some kind of royal or quasi

557
00:26:37,714 --> 00:26:41,874
Speaker 3: royal existence. He's been missing the shaking of hands and

558
00:26:41,914 --> 00:26:44,674
Speaker 3: the jousting with sick kids, and he wants some of that.

559
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Speaker 1: He wants to be on the balcony.

560
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Speaker 3: It's not clear Meghan wants that. In fact, I would

561
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Speaker 3: say that Megan feels much more comfortable doing exactly what

562
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Speaker 3: she's doing, which is pursuing a more traditional American or

563
00:26:56,914 --> 00:26:59,674
Speaker 3: Hollywood conception of celebrity. Or you do the TV shows

564
00:26:59,714 --> 00:27:03,154
Speaker 3: and then you sell associated branded products. These two intentions

565
00:27:03,154 --> 00:27:04,234
Speaker 3: are in conflict with each other.

566
00:27:04,314 --> 00:27:08,474
Speaker 4: Disagree because I think that what makes Meghan, the only

567
00:27:08,514 --> 00:27:13,074
Speaker 4: thing that makes Meghan different from any other influencer is

568
00:27:13,114 --> 00:27:18,674
Speaker 4: the Dutchess part. So they need the royal adjacency to

569
00:27:18,994 --> 00:27:21,954
Speaker 4: make money in the US and to retain their power,

570
00:27:22,034 --> 00:27:25,514
Speaker 4: and their income is directly linked to that royal adjacency.

571
00:27:25,554 --> 00:27:28,594
Speaker 4: If they're just Harry and Meghan, well you know, then

572
00:27:28,634 --> 00:27:31,634
Speaker 4: they're the same as like poshen Becks or any old

573
00:27:32,234 --> 00:27:35,513
Speaker 4: famous albeit world famous couple. There were two things in

574
00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:37,793
Speaker 4: that interview that really jumped out at me. The first

575
00:27:37,914 --> 00:27:40,554
Speaker 4: was when he said the next year is all about

576
00:27:40,554 --> 00:27:43,874
Speaker 4: my father. I'm like, okay, well, Charles is sicker than

577
00:27:43,874 --> 00:27:46,754
Speaker 4: we thought. And the second thing was the last line

578
00:27:46,754 --> 00:27:49,594
Speaker 4: where the journalist talked about how popular he is in Ukraine,

579
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Speaker 4: and because there's so many people who've got disabilities in

580
00:27:52,594 --> 00:27:56,234
Speaker 4: Ukraine who've been injured in the war, he's hugely famous

581
00:27:56,234 --> 00:27:58,313
Speaker 4: because of his Invictors games work right, and so he

582
00:27:58,394 --> 00:28:02,234
Speaker 4: was like mobbed in Ukraine. And the journalist recounted to

583
00:28:02,274 --> 00:28:04,674
Speaker 4: Harry that he'd asked one of the people, why do

584
00:28:04,714 --> 00:28:06,074
Speaker 4: you like him so much? And they said, oh, it's

585
00:28:06,074 --> 00:28:07,954
Speaker 4: just dis great royal. But he seems to do things

586
00:28:08,034 --> 00:28:11,073
Speaker 4: his own way. And when he said that to Harry,

587
00:28:11,154 --> 00:28:13,714
Speaker 4: Harry said, you know who else did their things their

588
00:28:13,754 --> 00:28:18,834
Speaker 4: own way? My mum. And I was like, oh, the

589
00:28:18,954 --> 00:28:22,954
Speaker 4: feeling that William and Harry must have in who has

590
00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:27,434
Speaker 4: claimed to Diana's legacy, because Harry has written so much

591
00:28:27,474 --> 00:28:30,793
Speaker 4: about his devastation and Diana and Diana and he is

592
00:28:30,954 --> 00:28:33,154
Speaker 4: like her in a lot of way, and William hasn't.

593
00:28:33,194 --> 00:28:37,074
Speaker 4: And there's this idea that somehow William wasn't affected by

594
00:28:37,114 --> 00:28:39,834
Speaker 4: her loss and isn't still affected by her loss, just

595
00:28:39,834 --> 00:28:43,554
Speaker 4: because he doesn't emote in that kind of American way.

596
00:28:43,634 --> 00:28:47,594
Speaker 4: You'd have to say that William, and I guess he could,

597
00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:50,914
Speaker 4: but that's not really the vibe of the monarch and

598
00:28:51,034 --> 00:28:51,794
Speaker 4: future monarch.

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00:28:51,914 --> 00:28:54,874
Speaker 3: It's such a funny and U forbidding family. There was

600
00:28:54,914 --> 00:28:58,114
Speaker 3: some other news last week. Paul Barrow, Diana's former butler.

601
00:28:58,554 --> 00:29:01,714
Speaker 3: He wrote something about the last days of Queen Elizabeth's

602
00:29:01,754 --> 00:29:04,674
Speaker 3: life and he had some inside sources there. And apparently

603
00:29:05,234 --> 00:29:07,994
Speaker 3: she didn't even tell her family that she being diagnosed

604
00:29:07,994 --> 00:29:10,274
Speaker 3: with cancer. She told her ladies in waiting, and she

605
00:29:10,354 --> 00:29:12,914
Speaker 3: told people around her, but she was concerned that as

606
00:29:12,954 --> 00:29:15,354
Speaker 3: she told the family, they'd say, you got to get

607
00:29:15,354 --> 00:29:16,754
Speaker 3: off the throne and we're going to put in a

608
00:29:16,794 --> 00:29:20,674
Speaker 3: regency ruling until you pass. And I just can't imagine

609
00:29:20,794 --> 00:29:22,434
Speaker 3: being in a family where you have to decide if

610
00:29:22,434 --> 00:29:24,754
Speaker 3: it's strategically okay for you to mention that you're dying.

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Speaker 3: MM after the.

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Speaker 2: Break, why you need to start going on mayor walks?

613
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Speaker 2: And I'm going to reveal who at this table is

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Speaker 2: an absolute expert in them.

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Speaker 2: If you're feeling a bit flat, bit isolated, bit lonely.

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Speaker 2: A woman named Anna Syrian wants you to try what

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Speaker 2: she has termed the mayor walk. The writer she has

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Speaker 2: a substat called ambitious Softy says what she does is

624
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Speaker 2: she walks into the hub of her local neighborhood. So

625
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Speaker 2: think your local cafe, right, and she sets a challenge

626
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Speaker 2: for herself to embody the energy of a small town mayor. Right,

627
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Speaker 2: what does that look like? You have to assume everyone

628
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Speaker 2: is happy to see you. You have to make eye

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Speaker 2: contact with all dogs and all babies. You must carry

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Speaker 2: a warmth and lightness out in the community for specifically

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Speaker 2: ten to twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: She's said, right, that amount of time is doable.

633
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Speaker 2: Is your limit?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

635
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Speaker 2: She says this is the best way that she's managed

636
00:30:43,194 --> 00:30:47,074
Speaker 2: to make connections in her small community. Amelia, would you

637
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Speaker 2: say you have mayor energy?

638
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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I think I have spoken on this podcast

639
00:30:52,954 --> 00:30:55,594
Speaker 3: about how my neighbors in my apartment building complain to

640
00:30:55,674 --> 00:30:57,554
Speaker 3: the strata that I was not friendly enough.

641
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Speaker 2: But that is I feel like something what happened to me?

642
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Speaker 3: But that is I think why I adore this. It's

643
00:31:04,034 --> 00:31:06,074
Speaker 3: a challenge, like even to do it for ten to

644
00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:08,194
Speaker 3: twenty minutes. It's scared me a little bit, and that's

645
00:31:08,194 --> 00:31:10,514
Speaker 3: how I know I must do it. So I tried

646
00:31:10,554 --> 00:31:12,794
Speaker 3: it this morning. I got on the bus and I

647
00:31:12,834 --> 00:31:15,234
Speaker 3: said good morning to the bus driver and then he

648
00:31:15,274 --> 00:31:17,834
Speaker 3: said something unintelligible back to me. But I felt like

649
00:31:17,874 --> 00:31:20,554
Speaker 3: I'd set off on the right foot and I'm going

650
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Speaker 3: to try this. I think it's fantastic.

651
00:31:22,554 --> 00:31:24,034
Speaker 1: Can you try it in your own house?

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Speaker 2: I think the home could do with some maor energy

653
00:31:26,674 --> 00:31:30,514
Speaker 2: because you maya to call you out, you have mad

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Speaker 2: small town mayor energy in the office.

655
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

656
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Speaker 2: So what happens is this is how I imagine it going.

657
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Speaker 2: You get in the lift, you take a deep breath,

658
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Speaker 2: you close your eyes, you have a moment, you go

659
00:31:42,154 --> 00:31:44,394
Speaker 2: turn on the math, and then you walk out of

660
00:31:44,394 --> 00:31:47,034
Speaker 2: the lift. And because you happen to own this business,

661
00:31:47,434 --> 00:31:49,034
Speaker 2: you don't get to walk in like a MILLIONA and

662
00:31:49,114 --> 00:31:51,514
Speaker 2: I do where we put our heads down and hide

663
00:31:51,514 --> 00:31:53,954
Speaker 2: in the barthroend. You've got to have some kind of

664
00:31:54,114 --> 00:31:58,394
Speaker 2: present and you walk in and you have your queen

665
00:31:58,514 --> 00:32:01,274
Speaker 2: wave that you do to people. Yes, and they.

666
00:32:01,194 --> 00:32:03,714
Speaker 3: Don't got queen waves.

667
00:32:03,714 --> 00:32:05,194
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, you're shaking hands.

668
00:32:05,354 --> 00:32:07,914
Speaker 4: You're not actually shaking people's heads and wave that's what

669
00:32:07,954 --> 00:32:08,274
Speaker 4: you're doing.

670
00:32:08,314 --> 00:32:10,314
Speaker 2: And then you're going you have your prepared small talk,

671
00:32:10,794 --> 00:32:13,474
Speaker 2: you start touching people's clothes questionable.

672
00:32:13,034 --> 00:32:15,234
Speaker 1: Maybe whether that's my version of over the.

673
00:32:15,314 --> 00:32:17,714
Speaker 2: Wave yep, And then you just go, how's your weekend?

674
00:32:17,834 --> 00:32:17,914
Speaker 3: Da?

675
00:32:17,994 --> 00:32:21,074
Speaker 2: Da da, And you are like this this socialite that

676
00:32:21,154 --> 00:32:23,434
Speaker 2: turns it on ten to twenty minutes. And then you

677
00:32:23,434 --> 00:32:25,274
Speaker 2: go and hide in your office and when you see me,

678
00:32:25,914 --> 00:32:27,834
Speaker 2: you're like high like because you know you don't have

679
00:32:27,874 --> 00:32:30,034
Speaker 2: to go full mayor on me. But not the mayor

680
00:32:30,114 --> 00:32:34,194
Speaker 2: view to other people. I think that people who own businesses, wow,

681
00:32:34,514 --> 00:32:35,554
Speaker 2: have to turn on the.

682
00:32:35,514 --> 00:32:36,234
Speaker 1: Mayor, do you know?

683
00:32:36,354 --> 00:32:39,314
Speaker 4: And also people who work in the service industry. Oh

684
00:32:39,394 --> 00:32:43,674
Speaker 4: when when you're in any way customer facing and you've

685
00:32:43,714 --> 00:32:46,834
Speaker 4: just nailed why I'm so tired, Because I've often said

686
00:32:47,514 --> 00:32:50,914
Speaker 4: when I'm at work, I feel the responsibility to walk

687
00:32:50,914 --> 00:32:53,394
Speaker 4: the floor so people can see me. I've got to

688
00:32:53,394 --> 00:32:55,594
Speaker 4: be interested in everyone, and I genuinely am.

689
00:32:55,834 --> 00:32:58,474
Speaker 2: You must embrace babies. If there's a baby in the office,

690
00:32:58,554 --> 00:33:02,714
Speaker 2: it is like you must hold the baby. Make a fast.

691
00:33:03,474 --> 00:33:05,754
Speaker 4: When you're the mayor or the owner of a business,

692
00:33:06,034 --> 00:33:10,434
Speaker 4: you know that people's interactions with you carry weight, and

693
00:33:10,474 --> 00:33:13,754
Speaker 4: if you are in a bad mood or distracted or

694
00:33:13,794 --> 00:33:16,834
Speaker 4: absent or whatever, they can take that personally in a

695
00:33:16,874 --> 00:33:19,194
Speaker 4: way that they might not if you're a regular coworker.

696
00:33:19,714 --> 00:33:20,594
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

697
00:33:20,954 --> 00:33:22,074
Speaker 1: It's like being in front of house.

698
00:33:22,354 --> 00:33:24,154
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like being a little bit famous, right,

699
00:33:24,194 --> 00:33:26,034
Speaker 2: because everyone knows who you are, even if you don't

700
00:33:26,034 --> 00:33:27,354
Speaker 2: know who they are yet, because it might be their

701
00:33:27,394 --> 00:33:29,554
Speaker 2: first day, right, and like you haven't met them before,

702
00:33:29,554 --> 00:33:31,634
Speaker 2: but you've got to give them a memorable experience because

703
00:33:31,754 --> 00:33:32,154
Speaker 2: the mayor.

704
00:33:32,234 --> 00:33:34,594
Speaker 3: This reminds me that I had a boss at a

705
00:33:34,594 --> 00:33:37,314
Speaker 3: magazine I used to work out who was quite famous,

706
00:33:37,354 --> 00:33:39,914
Speaker 3: and he's not an a winter or famous, but he's

707
00:33:39,994 --> 00:33:43,634
Speaker 3: up there for journalists. And his strategy was he would

708
00:33:43,634 --> 00:33:46,394
Speaker 3: walk around the office once a day, and you knew

709
00:33:46,394 --> 00:33:48,514
Speaker 3: that he'd come and see you, and you kind of

710
00:33:48,554 --> 00:33:50,794
Speaker 3: wanted to prepare for it by putting something on your

711
00:33:50,794 --> 00:33:53,794
Speaker 3: desk to start the conversation, because the one thing you

712
00:33:53,834 --> 00:33:56,314
Speaker 3: couldn't be was boring. So you might put a book

713
00:33:56,354 --> 00:33:58,234
Speaker 3: on your desk, or you might put a new snack

714
00:33:58,474 --> 00:34:00,394
Speaker 3: or some kind of offering to the boss on his

715
00:34:00,474 --> 00:34:02,394
Speaker 3: male walk so that when he came round to see

716
00:34:02,434 --> 00:34:04,394
Speaker 3: you you had something to riff on, and then you'd

717
00:34:04,434 --> 00:34:06,354
Speaker 3: make that connection as he went on his walk.

718
00:34:06,634 --> 00:34:10,433
Speaker 4: That's genius, because I think people can become very anxious

719
00:34:10,594 --> 00:34:12,714
Speaker 4: when they have to talk to the mayor, because I

720
00:34:12,714 --> 00:34:15,513
Speaker 4: think it's not just business owners, but it's also managers.

721
00:34:15,754 --> 00:34:16,914
Speaker 1: I remember when.

722
00:34:16,674 --> 00:34:18,913
Speaker 4: My boss used to come into my office when I

723
00:34:18,914 --> 00:34:22,714
Speaker 4: worked in magazines. I would always have like sporting equipment,

724
00:34:22,914 --> 00:34:25,034
Speaker 4: not actual sport equipment, but like there'd be an umbrella

725
00:34:25,074 --> 00:34:26,754
Speaker 4: that he would pretend was a golf club, or they'd

726
00:34:26,794 --> 00:34:29,714
Speaker 4: be like a ball that he could like throw in

727
00:34:29,714 --> 00:34:33,634
Speaker 4: the garbage bin, and that sort of facilitated his mayoral experience.

728
00:34:34,274 --> 00:34:36,714
Speaker 2: I have found that I've gone a bit full mayor

729
00:34:37,154 --> 00:34:40,354
Speaker 2: when I'm with Luna throughout the commit Like when I

730
00:34:40,394 --> 00:34:42,594
Speaker 2: was just on my own, I could just walk through

731
00:34:42,594 --> 00:34:45,514
Speaker 2: and be anonymous or whatever. But when I'm with Luna,

732
00:34:45,674 --> 00:34:49,074
Speaker 2: I almost want to present the world as this open,

733
00:34:49,354 --> 00:34:52,314
Speaker 2: exciting everyone's our friend, and I turn into a different

734
00:34:52,434 --> 00:34:56,714
Speaker 2: version of myself because I want to model what a kind, good,

735
00:34:56,914 --> 00:35:00,393
Speaker 2: engaged person looks like, which is entirely performative, Like I've

736
00:35:00,394 --> 00:35:02,354
Speaker 2: got to go all right, let's put on my acting hat.

737
00:35:02,634 --> 00:35:04,314
Speaker 2: So The other day, I took Leona. It was a

738
00:35:04,354 --> 00:35:06,474
Speaker 2: really cold day. We were hanging out the morning. We

739
00:35:06,474 --> 00:35:07,994
Speaker 2: walked past this guy I see all the time. I

740
00:35:08,034 --> 00:35:12,274
Speaker 2: say high to him, who is currently homeless, and we

741
00:35:12,394 --> 00:35:15,154
Speaker 2: stopped and I went, would you like a coffee? Let's

742
00:35:15,154 --> 00:35:16,953
Speaker 2: go and get this maun of coffee loner, and I thought,

743
00:35:16,994 --> 00:35:18,954
Speaker 2: and that was for Luna, Like I'd like to believe

744
00:35:18,954 --> 00:35:20,674
Speaker 2: that I'm a kind person. But I went, Luna needs

745
00:35:20,714 --> 00:35:23,034
Speaker 2: to see her mum being a mayor. And so when

746
00:35:23,074 --> 00:35:24,714
Speaker 2: on board it, she tried to steal the bickie off

747
00:35:24,714 --> 00:35:26,074
Speaker 2: the top and I went, no, no, no, that's not

748
00:35:26,114 --> 00:35:28,473
Speaker 2: good form, Luna, we're being the mayor, went and gave

749
00:35:28,514 --> 00:35:30,034
Speaker 2: it to him, and I was like, this is how

750
00:35:30,074 --> 00:35:32,154
Speaker 2: I should behave every single day, Like it makes you

751
00:35:32,194 --> 00:35:36,554
Speaker 2: feel so good about yourself because you're connected with the community.

752
00:35:36,674 --> 00:35:40,314
Speaker 3: All the studies show that happiness comes from interactions that

753
00:35:40,394 --> 00:35:44,834
Speaker 3: you have with acquaintances or strangers. Yeah, the friendships and

754
00:35:44,874 --> 00:35:46,914
Speaker 3: the relationships, those are the draining ones.

755
00:35:46,994 --> 00:35:49,953
Speaker 4: That's why so many of us suffered during COVID drive

756
00:35:50,154 --> 00:35:53,234
Speaker 4: because we didn't have we were deprived of those interactions.

757
00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:54,674
Speaker 4: Do you remember when we were finally let out of

758
00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:57,794
Speaker 4: our houses and we would have these long conversations with

759
00:35:57,914 --> 00:36:02,794
Speaker 4: strangers in like queues or on buses. I think it's

760
00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:04,754
Speaker 4: so interesting this idea of a mayor walk because a

761
00:36:04,754 --> 00:36:07,873
Speaker 4: mayor is different to a royal and different to a celebrity.

762
00:36:07,914 --> 00:36:11,314
Speaker 4: Because a mayor is accessible and a mayor is relatable

763
00:36:11,554 --> 00:36:12,994
Speaker 4: and accountable.

764
00:36:12,674 --> 00:36:14,234
Speaker 2: And of service.

765
00:36:14,754 --> 00:36:15,594
Speaker 1: You're of service.

766
00:36:15,954 --> 00:36:18,594
Speaker 2: So I also think I think this is why I

767
00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:21,234
Speaker 2: hate having birthday parties, because you have to put on

768
00:36:21,274 --> 00:36:24,434
Speaker 2: your mayor hand. Oh and the thing about this that

769
00:36:24,514 --> 00:36:28,114
Speaker 2: I loved was I've got ten to twenty minutes, maybe

770
00:36:28,154 --> 00:36:30,474
Speaker 2: twelve minutes in me a full mayor mode.

771
00:36:30,514 --> 00:36:32,593
Speaker 1: You're right hosting a party, you have to be a mayor.

772
00:36:32,754 --> 00:36:35,234
Speaker 2: I hate because the thing is I have a birthday

773
00:36:35,234 --> 00:36:37,314
Speaker 2: party and you invite all your friends there, and I'm like,

774
00:36:37,434 --> 00:36:38,554
Speaker 2: I can't do three.

775
00:36:38,634 --> 00:36:41,034
Speaker 3: Do you know what it's worth? Kids' birthday parties where

776
00:36:41,034 --> 00:36:43,034
Speaker 3: you're unclear on the name of any of the people

777
00:36:43,074 --> 00:36:45,274
Speaker 3: you've invited to know, how can you be the mayor.

778
00:36:45,114 --> 00:36:46,873
Speaker 2: When you don't know people's name and it just goes

779
00:36:46,914 --> 00:36:48,674
Speaker 2: on and on. It's like, I feel as though you

780
00:36:48,674 --> 00:36:50,274
Speaker 2: do ten minutes, you set it up, and then everyone

781
00:36:50,274 --> 00:36:52,074
Speaker 2: else you know what you need a sub in mayor.

782
00:36:52,634 --> 00:36:55,154
Speaker 2: You need to then go here's a baton. Now you

783
00:36:55,234 --> 00:36:56,514
Speaker 2: be the mayor, because I can't.

784
00:36:56,314 --> 00:36:56,954
Speaker 1: Suspect I've got it.

785
00:36:57,034 --> 00:36:59,594
Speaker 4: My best tip for mayor's if you find yourself in

786
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:00,474
Speaker 4: a mayor situation.

787
00:37:00,954 --> 00:37:02,314
Speaker 1: Great to see you.

788
00:37:02,034 --> 00:37:03,794
Speaker 3: Great to see you.

789
00:37:03,474 --> 00:37:06,074
Speaker 4: Not nice to meet you because maybe you've met before

790
00:37:06,154 --> 00:37:06,754
Speaker 4: and you've forgotten.

791
00:37:06,794 --> 00:37:07,873
Speaker 1: Really, it's great to see you.

792
00:37:08,754 --> 00:37:10,953
Speaker 2: See do you think this whole conversation people have thought

793
00:37:10,954 --> 00:37:13,834
Speaker 2: we're talking about the male horse, female horse? Is it

794
00:37:13,874 --> 00:37:14,594
Speaker 2: a female horse?

795
00:37:15,234 --> 00:37:18,274
Speaker 3: My biggest takeaway is that mea thinks an umbrella is

796
00:37:18,274 --> 00:37:22,914
Speaker 3: sporting equipment. Before we go, I have gone full domestic

797
00:37:22,954 --> 00:37:25,074
Speaker 3: goddess and I want to share it with you. I

798
00:37:25,154 --> 00:37:27,394
Speaker 3: know how to make a scone according to the Country

799
00:37:27,394 --> 00:37:30,194
Speaker 3: Women's Association, as you know, are the experts on this.

800
00:37:30,314 --> 00:37:31,274
Speaker 2: Did you do a course?

801
00:37:31,714 --> 00:37:35,634
Speaker 3: A course this weekend? Sorry, of course she does.

802
00:37:35,514 --> 00:37:37,714
Speaker 2: Such unusual things, Amelia.

803
00:37:37,874 --> 00:37:40,674
Speaker 3: This weekend I had a friend visiting from the US

804
00:37:41,114 --> 00:37:43,794
Speaker 3: and she has a baby and is very frazzled, and

805
00:37:43,834 --> 00:37:46,314
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of what's a really Australian

806
00:37:46,354 --> 00:37:49,754
Speaker 3: thing we can do that's not cliched, And it so

807
00:37:49,834 --> 00:37:52,714
Speaker 3: happened that in my neighborhood. There was a Country Women's

808
00:37:52,714 --> 00:37:55,674
Speaker 3: Association course on how to make the perfect scone, and

809
00:37:55,714 --> 00:37:57,914
Speaker 3: I thought, that's the most Australian thing I can.

810
00:37:57,914 --> 00:38:00,794
Speaker 2: Know, Amelia. It's very with love Megan of you.

811
00:38:01,314 --> 00:38:04,873
Speaker 1: I think it's when you just say course, how long?

812
00:38:05,114 --> 00:38:05,234
Speaker 4: Like?

813
00:38:05,354 --> 00:38:06,393
Speaker 1: Is it a weekly thing?

814
00:38:06,514 --> 00:38:08,794
Speaker 3: Oh? Did you have? It was a very rigorous three

815
00:38:08,874 --> 00:38:11,474
Speaker 3: hours and we had to get involved with the making

816
00:38:11,514 --> 00:38:13,674
Speaker 3: of the scones. But I learned a lot of really

817
00:38:13,714 --> 00:38:15,154
Speaker 3: fascinating things.

818
00:38:15,354 --> 00:38:18,434
Speaker 2: Okay, please please tell us I do love U scne?

819
00:38:18,434 --> 00:38:19,433
Speaker 1: Can I just put that out of there?

820
00:38:19,474 --> 00:38:21,674
Speaker 3: Love us gone? Did you bring any I did not

821
00:38:21,714 --> 00:38:23,714
Speaker 3: because I ate them all. We made pumpkin. We made

822
00:38:23,714 --> 00:38:26,274
Speaker 3: a savory SCN with cheese and olive. The best cheese

823
00:38:26,274 --> 00:38:29,433
Speaker 3: mixer of SCN is parmesan and cheddar half half, and

824
00:38:29,554 --> 00:38:31,114
Speaker 3: we made a regular SCN. And then we made a

825
00:38:31,194 --> 00:38:33,154
Speaker 3: lemonade scan which I'm going to make with my kids

826
00:38:33,194 --> 00:38:34,114
Speaker 3: because they're really easy.

827
00:38:34,154 --> 00:38:35,514
Speaker 1: Have you heard a lemonade? S gone?

828
00:38:35,554 --> 00:38:38,074
Speaker 3: It's just lemonade, flour and cream.

829
00:38:39,434 --> 00:38:40,074
Speaker 4: Really yummy.

830
00:38:40,154 --> 00:38:41,754
Speaker 1: I thought you put cream on a SCN, not in

831
00:38:41,794 --> 00:38:42,074
Speaker 1: a skin.

832
00:38:42,114 --> 00:38:44,433
Speaker 3: You can make it in the scon So the main

833
00:38:44,474 --> 00:38:46,154
Speaker 3: thing I want to leave you with because the big,

834
00:38:46,194 --> 00:38:48,394
Speaker 3: big thing she said about how to make the perfect

835
00:38:48,394 --> 00:38:51,354
Speaker 3: scne is you do not twist. Let me explain. When

836
00:38:51,354 --> 00:38:55,114
Speaker 3: you are cutting the scon out of your dough, there's

837
00:38:55,154 --> 00:38:59,314
Speaker 3: a temptation, there's a temptation to twist the cutter into

838
00:38:59,354 --> 00:38:59,674
Speaker 3: the dough.

839
00:38:59,714 --> 00:39:01,274
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I do

840
00:39:01,354 --> 00:39:01,834
Speaker 2: with Plato.

841
00:39:02,114 --> 00:39:06,194
Speaker 3: You must never twist. It inhibits the skon's ability to rise,

842
00:39:06,474 --> 00:39:07,914
Speaker 3: and to me, it's full potential.

843
00:39:08,234 --> 00:39:09,914
Speaker 1: Jesse, you can't inhibit the scone.

844
00:39:10,034 --> 00:39:11,354
Speaker 3: Never twist, Never twist.

845
00:39:11,354 --> 00:39:13,874
Speaker 2: I'm undermining as a foundation needs to be free.

846
00:39:14,194 --> 00:39:16,194
Speaker 3: Okay, do you have any other questions for.

847
00:39:16,074 --> 00:39:18,714
Speaker 2: Me in terms of the tray, Like how close are

848
00:39:18,714 --> 00:39:20,074
Speaker 2: we're putting the scones together?

849
00:39:20,234 --> 00:39:22,514
Speaker 3: Good question. They should not be touching. This is a

850
00:39:22,514 --> 00:39:25,194
Speaker 3: common misconception of fact. I heard from someone in the

851
00:39:25,194 --> 00:39:27,834
Speaker 3: office here who thought that you were meant to sort

852
00:39:27,834 --> 00:39:30,393
Speaker 3: of have them lightly kiss each other. No, I thought

853
00:39:30,434 --> 00:39:30,994
Speaker 3: they can in.

854
00:39:31,034 --> 00:39:32,714
Speaker 1: A miss and tray me.

855
00:39:33,634 --> 00:39:36,954
Speaker 2: Oh, you've really upset everyone. Now you're not going to

856
00:39:36,954 --> 00:39:40,274
Speaker 2: be invited back. I think that Amelia and Brent Holly's

857
00:39:40,274 --> 00:39:42,794
Speaker 2: Brent who won the scone competition's gone off. Yeah, I

858
00:39:42,834 --> 00:39:45,074
Speaker 2: think that there should be a competition, except.

859
00:39:44,754 --> 00:39:46,393
Speaker 3: It's just no, I'm going to win because I'm going

860
00:39:46,434 --> 00:39:48,354
Speaker 3: to leave you with a couple more tips. Keep everything

861
00:39:48,394 --> 00:39:50,393
Speaker 3: cold so you don't need to sift flower, which is

862
00:39:50,394 --> 00:39:52,594
Speaker 3: great because I never truly understood how to sift flower.

863
00:39:52,754 --> 00:39:54,114
Speaker 2: I never understood the purpose.

864
00:39:54,194 --> 00:39:56,234
Speaker 3: I didn't know that the purpose is so you don't

865
00:39:56,234 --> 00:39:58,594
Speaker 3: have lumpskys well anyway, keep it in the freezer and

866
00:39:58,674 --> 00:40:00,834
Speaker 3: you never have to sift together again. Keep your flower

867
00:40:00,834 --> 00:40:04,234
Speaker 3: in the freezer. And another thing is that when you've

868
00:40:04,234 --> 00:40:06,194
Speaker 3: made the scones and you've put them on the baking tray,

869
00:40:06,354 --> 00:40:08,553
Speaker 3: whipping into the fridge for a little bit, then turn

870
00:40:08,594 --> 00:40:10,393
Speaker 3: the oven on so they get a little bit of

871
00:40:10,394 --> 00:40:12,274
Speaker 3: a chill before you get them in the ovens.

872
00:40:12,714 --> 00:40:14,034
Speaker 1: Few more steps and I'm happy.

873
00:40:14,274 --> 00:40:16,194
Speaker 3: The final tip that I want to leave you with,

874
00:40:16,474 --> 00:40:19,434
Speaker 3: and this is important, you cannot overmix. It's a lazy

875
00:40:19,474 --> 00:40:21,434
Speaker 3: girl taking exercise, which is also.

876
00:40:21,234 --> 00:40:24,234
Speaker 2: The role apparently doves for cookies. Yeah you want to.

877
00:40:24,274 --> 00:40:26,074
Speaker 2: I think that maybe you're not meant to with cookies.

878
00:40:26,074 --> 00:40:28,034
Speaker 2: You're like, they're really good when you take them, go.

879
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Speaker 1: What a bit rubbery?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just doesn't let them rise and then cream

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Speaker 3: and jam. I want to see if we have thoughts

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Speaker 3: on what goes first.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think jam goes first.

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Speaker 2: I would think cream and then jam as the top

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Speaker 2: er off for us.

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Speaker 3: So it turns out that the reason why people are

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Speaker 3: even putting jam on top is because of Instagram. Like

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Speaker 3: this is like like it's always been understood you're meant

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Speaker 3: to put the jam on first and then the cream.

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Speaker 3: This is a cwa's doctrine, and I am inclined to

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Speaker 3: believe them on everything, including scones. But they speculate that

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Speaker 3: because we now want to make everything pretty for social media,

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Speaker 3: that's why there's been this pernicious shift towards putting the

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Speaker 3: jam on top of it. It's like porn. It's like porn.

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Speaker 4: Be honest, I don't be food porn, but like the

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Speaker 4: reason that there are certain things that you see in porn,

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Speaker 4: like no pubic care, is because it looks better on camera.

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Speaker 2: That's so much like nouns.

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Speaker 3: It's like, Scott, I don't know what the CWA would

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Speaker 3: endorse that, but let's let's run with it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they of course for that, Probably not they probably

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Speaker 4: they don't.

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Speaker 2: A big thank you to all of you the out loud.

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Speaker 2: It's fun. It's been so much fun that might come by.

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Speaker 2: We might we might even invite you for listening to

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Speaker 2: today's show and our fabulous team.

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Speaker 1: For me interrupting you.

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Speaker 2: No, not really. Look, I've missed your energy. I've missed

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Speaker 2: your mayor energy. You're well behaved today, you were, you

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Speaker 2: were prepared.

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Speaker 1: My best foot forward.

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Speaker 2: You've got a good energy. You're allowed back. Friends, don't

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Speaker 2: forget you. You think I should keep in you just

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Speaker 2: keep interrupting, don't you.

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Speaker 3: One at a time, you compared SCons to porn. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that's her being on good behavior.

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Speaker 2: You can watch us on YouTube. Have you've been watching

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Speaker 2: us on YouTube?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 4: I have?

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Speaker 1: Actually, how do we look? I've got some notes? No,

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Speaker 1: you look great.

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Speaker 2: Thank you will be back in your ears.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow before we go, though. If you're feeling that pressure

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Speaker 3: of the end of the year, and I know it's coming,

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Speaker 3: you might enjoined last Wednesday's episode. It's related. We talked

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Speaker 3: about the great lock in. This is a phrase I'm

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Speaker 3: using all the time now, and I used it with

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Speaker 3: my babysitter and she was so impressed that I knew

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Speaker 3: this phrase. So listen to that. And here's a little

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Speaker 3: taste of it.

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Speaker 1: Lucking guys, Stacy, are you locking in?

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Speaker 5: Can I lock it out? Get me out, leave me

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Speaker 5: on the outside. I just feel like this is like

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Speaker 5: New Year's Resolutions rebranded, except we have to do them

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Speaker 5: every quarter, and I'm just like, I've failed already ten days.

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Speaker 3: Into the month. I don't want to do it. I

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Speaker 3: don't want to do it. But how fundamentally resent having

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Speaker 3: to think about the year in terms of quarters? I

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Speaker 3: am an accountant, Yes, Amelia?

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Speaker 2: How about like, are you going to run a marathon?

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Speaker 2: Are you training for?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You know that, Jesse. That's so funny that you asked

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Speaker 3: me that. I am just trying to go to exercise

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Speaker 3: classes and stay silent during them. That's just my goal here.

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Speaker 3: It was really interesting chat. And we'll pop a link

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Speaker 3: to that episode in the show notes. I guarantee you

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Speaker 3: will be using it a lot. Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mum and MAA subscribers listening. If

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Speaker 2: you love the show and you want to support us,

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Speaker 2: subscribing to Mom and Maa is the very best way

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